Are World Cup Winners India the Best T20 Team Ever? | Stick to Cricket EP 36

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What are you saying with that?

I'm giving you that.

Travel day.

You've not bought that.

Travel day.

Nice and comfy, mate.

Where are you going?

Well, when we're Manchester, where are you going tonight?

Moss Island.

Where are you going tonight?

I'm going tonight.

It's a...

Where are you going tonight?

I'm going to do something with Sean Eudow tonight.

Oh, nice.

Okay.

He's all right.

Is he?

Yeah.

Is he not?

I'm going to do something for him.

He hasn't got more.

Well, you're a bit Roger.

Oh, he's out there now where he's fucking going.

He's widening.

I offered Roger the chance to come in.

He was great when he on the show.

Jeffrey Archer.

When he said, come on, who's leading baller, bring him the ashes, Jeffrey Archer.

No, no.

No, no, no, no.

Go see O'Chef bake for Parkinson's.

Go have a little chat there, raise a few.

Well, give him over very best.

Always.

I was at the Wangkei Day.

The...

What's it called?

It's called the Wangkei Day.

What have you been doing now, Wangkei Day?

Wangkei Day.

The Wangkei Day.

I always get that one wrong.

I was at the Wangkei Day.

Wangkei Day.

I was at the Wangkei Day when he got Doni and Tendolka.

That was all up, it had been your look.

All right, that's the one test match I missed.

Oh, really?

That's one test match I missed.

Freddie was captain.

Yeah, that's the...

One to punish, Rob.

It caught him.

That's the one who dropped one as well, don't you?

It caught...

It caught bad, didn't he?

He'd only hit the knee and then Monti ran to it

and then just let it stop and land in the yard away from it.

Very next ball.

Cool, sir.

That is the same shot.

Monti caught it.

I was in the crowd.

I was on the bench.

So you don't...

It was a very tall, wasn't it?

He stood tall at the crease.

And he was...

He must have been six full two.

Yeah, yeah.

About Batty used to work...

He used Donk and Furley back in the day, didn't he?

Then he went to chase.

Then he went to chase.

And then went...

When did...

Go on, you'll know this from middle sex as well.

Yeah.

When did spinners...

Particularly off spinners.

When John Embry would get tied into the on-pire

and just go bang.

Wicked to wicked.

Where the Australian offspin was ball outside offspin.

To bang.

You're right.

Yeah, to ball outside.

Yeah.

To bring slipping to play.

Whereas England offspinners used to dart it in

at middle, middle and leg.

Because you couldn't get it to carry it to the keeper.

You're a man at Lank's.

Jack Simmons, did he ever give it a bit of...

No.

Because...

He, again, like...

Lords of them, like Ashley Giles and them, start it as seamers.

And so they are good strong actions, like him.

You start as a seamer, didn't you?

I did, yeah.

Did you?

Yeah, did you?

Oh, dude.

Yes, quick.

What?

What was your action?

I was like, Wes.

I'm talking school boys, yeah?

Yeah, yeah, used to out the bowl and left arm.

You missed my engulf for them, yeah.

I have, yeah, played with the bulldog.

Jimmy Bullard and tubes.

He's my player, I think.

He's very good.

Yeah, very good.

Scratch.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Or whatever it is.

No.

Yeah.

No.

Where did you play with Jimmy Bullard?

We played...

Preferred lakes.

Blues in the name.

Perfect.

Perfect, sorry.

Perfect lake.

I mean...

Josh Butler.

Yeah.

Well, it's your handicap.

And he said, I haven't played for a while.

I'll play off 16.

I said, no.

What's your answer?

I bet it's 16.

I bet he gives it absolutely.

He gave it...

What?

Part five.

He's in the semi-rolf with his drive.

He gets one of them rescues.

He's putting for the three.

I could have...

He gives it away.

Even though I haven't said that,

he didn't place the world any well cup.

I went in time over there, Justin, with a bat.

Both Ortoners didn't do it, didn't they?

Who was the other one?

Salt.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Have you not been watching it?

I haven't been watching it.

I've obviously been watching it closely.

Yeah, long enough for that.

Yeah, you know, I mean, who comes in and where and everything.

You know, I didn't engage me.

The world cup.

No.

No.

I thought it was so predictable.

Well, you were coming, weren't you?

Until you flight cut council.

I know, yeah, I know.

There's something about Karen.

Where's Karen?

No, I've got a new Karen.

Oh, you're all right.

What's your name?

Harry.

Harry, Harry.

You're being attacked.

Well, no, Karen's just, he's not too old today,

so I'm stepping in, so.

All right, Harry.

Well, good look on you.

Is this your debut?

My debut, yeah.

Well, he started, right?

I'm Harry.

Give me a bit more coffee while I don't.

I'm a pirate coffee.

Cheers, Harry.

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I reckon if you put just a bit more running, then it's too.

They might want to win it.

Do you have to swing lambs around your head sometimes?

I think you can.

I have to do that sometimes, too, when they come out.

Oh, Betfair.

I don't know.

I thought you meant big sheep.

How the hell is the rest of the world going to stop this juggernaut?

We're talking about McCullum, McCullum, McCullum.

Harry Brooks.

Well, the best catcher he's ever played under.

He's the only one.

OK.

Where he just stands there and just goes,

twat, the name.

I tell you, I think, is the stupidest team of the tournament.

Oh, hello.

South Africa.

We've got an elephant.

Have you?

What is your number one pick?

I'm going to see, we're on mates again,

and I'm going to look at cricket class,

so wine, bit of lunch, lovely.

He's all right.

He's all right.

He's all right.

He's all right.

He's all right.

He's all right.

He's all right.

He's all right.

He's all right.

He's all right.

We'll start the show.

Come on in.

We'll start you on a serious matter.

Yeah.

The West Indies, they were knocked out on March 1st.

It was a week last Sunday.

Yes.

Calcutta.

Out of the tournament.

Should go home.

Well, you'd hope that there was an arrangement.

I know the world's a difficult place to the meet.

You would hope that the ICC,

the concerto ring and the flight, 36 hours.

And I'm sure the ECB might have contributed something.

Again, I don't know exactly in terms of the cash,

but the West Indies are still in Calcutta now.

Oh.

Stranded.

We're on March 10th.

Can...

Can the flights go the other way, though?

Can they not go just along?

Yeah, yeah.

That was right.

Well, England went via...

So the West Indies could easily have jumped on England's plane.

Why did...

Well, I don't know.

They weren't asked to.

It was obviously a smaller plane.

England went through Egypt.

You know, the direct flight from Mumbai to London,

commercials were all...

Well, the full,

because obviously no one's going through the Gulf.

So, you know, those flights are very hard to go on.

Oh, your responsibility is it to get...

Well, I think it's the duty of care of the ICC,

to make sure that all players...

To make sure you care.

You know, it can't be just,

oh, England, 36 hours, let your out,

because you're a powerful nation.

You're telling me, I'll give you a scenario.

Can you imagine of India when it's on them away from India?

And they had to stay in a hotel for nine days.

Stranded.

It would never happen.

No, it would never happen.

So, why should it happen to the...

And South Africa.

South Africa would knock down on March 4th.

So, we final.

Lost in the...

In Calcutta.

So, they're the same.

They're still in Calcutta waiting to get home.

So, is it the board?

You've got England out.

What was it?

I would say our board would have had quite a say in it, yeah.

Yeah.

I'm sure that we need our players to get out,

and that's our contribution.

I mean, I'm guessing that...

Yeah.

The issue, potentially, is the heft of your financial power

in terms of making it easier to get your team out.

And South Africa and West Indies are not exactly

overblessed in that department.

But then you would then think, well,

then it's the responsibility of the board to help them out

so they can go, right?

Yeah.

I think the ICC would have a slush one for what you described as a rainy day.

I mean, this is just one of those.

Yeah, emergency.

Yeah, emergency.

Your care comes into it.

I mean, these players are starting Calcutta.

I mean, I'm not saying Calcutta,

but when you've been knocked out on March 1st

and you're still there on March 10th,

it can't be right.

You left Australia the day the last test, didn't you?

I did.

You were out...

Well, you've been there for about eight months, aren't you?

Yeah, we've been there for a...

Well, once you're done, you're done, isn't it?

I don't want to be hanging about.

You don't?

No, you're out the door, so...

Some so much rosy you can drink in there.

It's rosy.

It's rosy.

It's rosy.

It's rosy.

It's rosy.

It's rosyly.

Right, I'm so...

Do we know what's the feeling in the team?

What's the feeling within the camp of West Indies?

Oh, there was very disappointed.

Right.

You know, and...

I might as well leave on March 4th.

He's got chocolate.

He's got chocolate.

A representative from the ICC spoke with one of the managers

of the West Indies side.

And I'll go chocolate.

I'm sorry.

He left it.

Sorry, is it gone?

Yeah, it's gone, that one.

And let's leave on March 4th, which is three days after they got knocked out.

A conversation was had with someone at the ICC

to a higher-up manager of the West Indies team.

And he stated he'll get back to them in two hours,

and still to this day they've not got back to them.

So this way, and they keep getting what's out yet,

it'll be coming, it'll be coming, but no conversations.

So these young lads are just sat in the hotel in Calcutta.

Just any of them.

But he's set.

And you like in the big...

There has been...

So Akhil Hasen and Shimmerun got out of there.

Their agent saw it in the commercial fight, which is...

I guess some people will go, well, why didn't they all do that?

But some of them haven't got the money to be able to do that.

And it's not on them to do that.

They go and represent their country.

An ICC event.

That's it.

It's slightly team-game.

That's it.

All right.

Now, you know how it's...

Just imagine in that team room,

and everyone's in a foul mood anyway,

and they're kind of like...

And the names of the two blocs who got out of come up,

they're probably not the most popular people around them.

Cheers.

Thanks, fellas.

And they'll...

You look at him, Shimmerun.

He'll be back there.

He has stuff on Instagram on the beach.

Well, it's not a great position.

Dave, you started by saying the tournament didn't quite...

Yeah.

Grab you.

Explain.

Well, I thought it was predictable.

And, you know, when we sat around here,

I think we got the semi-finals.

We got the semi-finals.

Everyone.

So, the halves have come through.

Yeah.

The half-nots have tried valiantly.

We said straight away.

New Zealand.

Everybody.

Australia got knocked out.

But we all said...

I think we all said New Zealand, didn't we?

New Zealand.

Keep an eye on New Zealand.

But we...

And we said the team to beat is India.

They're going to win it.

You won't bite against them.

That's what's happened.

I enjoyed the tournament.

I thought, actually, the beginning beat, which normally I...

You know, the third until I get to Super H, you think it's pointless.

Actually, I've really enjoyed those, like, the associates playing.

And they've improved huge, man.

Actually, in T20, in particular, you can turn into big guns.

I actually just...

On a purely personal thing.

Yeah.

Like, if you're not...

It was just bad TV time, wasn't it?

For...

For England.

As in, like, if you're out on a farm...

So, as you always out, if you're always...

What's she...

What's her name?

In the afternoon, you're not...

But he's with a ship.

He's with a ship.

Oh, yeah.

She ringed up.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What happens on the farm at 1.30?

So, give us your daily schedule on the farm.

But it depends.

At the minute, we've been lambing, so we've just finished...

So, what happens?

What time do you get up?

We...

Well, we down the farm at half-seven.

Half-seven down the farm, yeah.

Yeah.

And then...

And then...

It could be tricky.

It could be tricky.

And then just...

And then...

Half-five.

And then...

Someone go down in the evening as well.

All right, so...

There's not all...

Half-seven to four.

You must...

I've seen a few.

Do you get, like, falling this breakfast every morning...

No.

On the farm, no.

Oh, so the TV show's kind of made that up.

Well, I think...

I think if you had...

If you had full machines...

Yeah, some...

I think, back in the day, farmers' wives would have...

Yeah.

They...

They would have...

I just...

For me, personally, I think, like...

You know, the games...

I thought the Winter Olympics was just perfect

when you come home.

It was on...

Six o'clock, and you...

Yeah, I mean, like, for the kids from schools...

For the...

Yeah, for the working...

In working...

And for your kids at school, one-third...

But, I thought it was a good time.

I thought it was a good time.

I just said I found...

I didn't watch much of it live.

But you have to steer the turning of the...

Of the sun around the...

Around the planet.

Do you have to swing lambs around your head sometimes?

I think you can...

Do you have to do that sometimes, too, when they come out?

Ah, that's cruel!

What...

When they're born?

I mean, it's the first thing they do.

Yeah, it's the first thing you do swing around your head.

You don't quite...

You don't quite round your head, but you can...

Like, if they get...

So, I understand that, like, I'm not talking about,

but they've got a bit of mucous stuck in there.

Yeah.

Because they come out in a bag, you then swing them back.

Oh, a bit. Oh, a bit.

I don't know.

I thought you meant big sheep.

LAUGHTER

Yeah, it's the new...

Nice and Olympic sport.

That's a hammer.

Is it a hammer?

Is it a hammer?

It's the one with something there, Bumble.

You know, the sheep, you know.

It's too crazy.

Is it high rocks?

It's a new training thing that everyone sees to be into.

There's yours.

Just wing your sheep.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

You may go with the sheep.

One of the great commons relies on concern, the cookie.

And it was Jeremy Corny.

And it was about preparation.

Not what the team had been preparing.

How they prepared for this, too,

as we talk about a lot.

And he packed, so Jeremy Corny said,

and Alex DeCocco is prepared by Lamming.

He's been Lamming!

LAUGHTER

Did he think that was a good thing or a bad thing?

I mean, but there's a lot of shape in New Zealand, isn't it?

They're more shaped like people.

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And you've won a year there.

What's the year?

It was announced good.

You seem to be critical about the pitch being too flat.

It was boring.

I didn't like the balance between bat and ball.

There was a balance in the second.

You piped up.

He piped up.

He piped up.

He's much better at farming social media stuff than me.

I've got to make opportunities to get a little boost of followers by having a go back.

Not a go, but just making another point.

Well, actually, it was the first innings of the final.

I just thought, oh, this is not good.

And then bummer a ball.

No, it's quite good for this pitch.

It's quite good for the ball.

It's if you're special.

If you're good, you're good.

Yeah.

But if you play 240s, fine.

It is.

I think he's 20 cricket and India deserve a lot of credit over the last two years.

Very man, they're the champions from the Caribbean.

So they had a good team two years ago.

I think this team now have taken on again.

You know, they've taken what we used to think, you know, if a score started with two,

two 10, 220, it was like a big, big score.

I think this in the grip of gone, you know what?

Yeah.

Two 50s possible on a regular bay.

You think Zimbabwe, they're not 250.

England, they got over 250 and they got over 250 in the final.

You kind of go, that's kind of the norm.

Yeah.

I mean, what I would say about all of that is that I'm not all that fussed about.

There'd be an abundance between bat and ball in T20 cricket.

I'm not sure that's what it's for.

But also, I think you have to appreciate it.

It's a little bit like saying, you know, once if you've got a really good attacking side

against a poor defensive team in football or something.

And you get upset if they keep banging goals in it.

It's kind of like, well, sometimes the two teams are mismatched.

Or one team is just very, very good and they have a good day.

Now, most teams will be trying as far as I'm concerned.

If you're a top team, you're trying to push the limits and score as many as you possibly can.

And on most occasions, you don't manage to do it.

On the few occasions that you do, it's because of particular brilliance.

And then we ended up getting treated really.

That game, the semi-final, the England semi-final.

That was fabulous.

England were probably five or six misfields and a catch away from turning.

We win that.

India Rover.

And it was no less a spectacle because there were lots of run scored.

In exactly the same way as it's no less a spectacle.

If it's a low scoring game on a difficult pitch and the game is tight.

If the game's tight, it's a good game.

It's T20. That's all there is to it.

Everyone says, you know, oh, batting, batting, batting.

What it does highlight, though, is if you have someone like a bummer up your sleeve to cry.

It goes at six.

Well, in the last two World Cups, the last two T20 World Cups has got 29 wickets.

29 wickets average around 11.

Economy is around 5.7 in the last two World Cups.

Well, even in that semi-final, he bowled the 18th over.

And if it wasn't him bowling the 18th over.

Yeah, actually think England have got...

Yeah, it's a 50-50 chance.

But England actually, I think tactically, we're not going to give him a wicket.

We'll try and take the night.

I think you could worry that if he gets one of you and gets the next one.

Well, he's gumming in as well.

You better go out there.

You better go out on the 18th.

There's no way he wins.

The only way is winning.

And you did the right thing, but when you got a baller that as a side, it's gold.

I think, you know, as far as sort of like bowlers and seeing people tweeting things about,

you might as well have bowling machines instead of bowling and stuff.

The point is, is that the role of a bowler becomes...

It's almost purely defensive.

And the skill of India with the best bowling or rowing bowling attack in the tournament.

They won the tournament.

Everyone will talk about their batting, but the bowling was awesome too.

And so you need...

The game is much more of a team game, I think, T20 cricket than most of the other formats.

Yeah.

No, I do, because all of the individual components are important.

So I disagree.

I think looking New Zealand, you would say that South Africa are better side than New Zealand.

But one person.

That's semi-final.

And that's what happens in T20.

The thing that I think India have changed a bit now is the consistency of how they play T20.

Yeah.

Because I mean...

They've got six to seven match winners with the bat.

Well, they've all... Yeah, absolutely.

And then there's more players.

And my point is not that the individual brilliance isn't important in T20.

My point is that all of those individual parts, like a bowling attack,

never mind one bowlers figures or whatever it might be, but a bowling attack,

it's job is to restrict the opposition to one less.

And so every delivery that all of them bowl is very, very important.

But not going for six is a...

Not getting hit for a six.

Getting hit for a four instead of a six is quite...

Sometimes there's a really good bowlers, don't you?

But I...

If it's a tight game, it's a great game.

Yeah.

If it's a mousse mic, she's...

Well, the final is a bit...

But then that's any sport.

Yeah, it is.

I mean, if it's three-nil at half time, but the football mic, I'll...

I'll watch someone else.

But I reckon if you put...

I reckon if you put Jaspit Bummer in England's team.

They might win it.

You put him in...

I mean, anybody's...

Exactly, but that's...

Yeah.

Probably Lionel Messi, Ronaldo, these kind of...

Didn't you say he's the best ball you've ever seen?

He is in...

Yeah, that I've seen, yeah.

You've ever seen...

Yeah, he is, yeah.

And you've got to remember, I started watching cricket probably...

Probably 85, 86...

When I really started to study cricket.

And he's the best I've seen.

You know, I haven't seen...

Sorry, is he the best in...

Match winning spells in Test Match cricket?

Do you know anything I haven't...

He's definitely...

Without Shalada, he's the best all-formatted baller around.

And I think you can safely say that, can you?

In any form, he's like the best all-round baller.

Has he, like, in the Test Match?

He needs a ball, some spell.

No, I've not...

Oh, I saw it in Australia last year in 15.

Yeah, like an 8 for 15.

Or is he...

Is he not...

Oh, is he just not that kind of baller?

That's my only light. He hasn't...

I've seen him a bit in Australia to produce some spells

that have just been...

Flap decks.

And he's a...

He's a thoroughly nice block.

He's lovely.

Oh, he's in there.

Really, really.

Oh, wait, that's...

That's my...

If I say bummer, it's the best I've seen,

across the...

Talking about three-formats, or...

Oh, four-format baller.

He's the best I've seen.

Who's the best you've seen?

Um...

Oh, crikey best I've seen.

Well, I've probably sort of gone back a little bit further than that.

But not in that...

All four maps, and everything.

You know?

We'll add clues to winners in that.

Bar, shall we?

Yeah, any baller.

I crammed.

I crammed.

I crammed.

Was he my crammed?

I crammed.

I crammed.

I crammed.

I think bummer is a bit...

All right, bonus time.

Really?

A little bit further.

Well, was he my crammed?

Would have...

Would have adapted to this.

With all the shots of the players...

Yeah, he would have adapted.

I have...

I have my crammed first.

Don't forget.

He will have played with...

We all say was he.

Waka was a fantastic...

Oh, oh.

Well, just...

Jesus, sorry.

I'm a writer.

How many first came?

What?

What was going on there?

Was he...

Was he your dad?

Was he, again, Sylvester Clark or Waka?

The...

Jeff Arnold said, put your pads on.

And...

And the baller only balls...

Six balls.

What do you think?

No, no, no.

Is it Johnny Robinson?

Left-hander.

When he first arrived.

Waka?

Waka first arrived.

No.

Young lad, Moustache, headband.

And he took...

He walked his...

He walked his mark out in the...

In the next...

In the next session at the oval and the oval nets were quick and bouncy.

And he marked...

He kept walking away like this.

And Anthony Gray was...

Was there overseas?

That's...

Oh, yeah, big time.

He'd come out with his trainers on for this next session.

Anyway, Waka runs in, balls his first ball,

like flashes through, flies...

Flies into the back of the net, the net's bulging,

and everyone just goes,

Whoa, hang on, what just happened there?

Anyway, Tony Gray...

Just just to the dressing up.

I better get...

I better get my boots on here,

because this kid's going to nick my spot.

And six balls later, it was done.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He nearly killed Johnny Robbins.

He gave him on the toe twice and he would play in the face once.

He would wake up.

Yeah.

Yeah, definitely.

And he went down...

To their play, it's to the oval.

And then...

He won the...

The oval, won the championship there,

and went to Glamorgan,

and then won...

I didn't win it in the oval.

He didn't win it.

No, he took only wickets in two seasons on the trial.

But it didn't he win it?

Playing the bass.

Right.

I remember him winning it in Glamorgan.

They...

They were down in...

They won it down in Taunton, didn't they?

Yeah.

Because the old balcony...

Yeah.

...in the corner.

The dresser.

I remember Croft, he'd give it the shame warm.

Danston, you know, the balcony is Croft, right?

He'd be seeing...

What did he use to sing?

Oh, Land of Mifal.

Oh, Jerry Lee Lewis.

Oh, Jerry Lee Lewis.

Yeah, that was it.

He used to do...

He does it really.

Right, more like Lewis.

Right, balls of fire.

Great balls of fire, Robert Croft.

Absolutely brilliant.

So are the weekend.

Italy beat in England.

England at rugby.

And one of the...

I don't think he was Italian,

but one of the rugby players playing for Italy

does an amazing rendition in the dress room, you see.

What?

Pavarotti.

That's a dormer.

That's a dormer.

Have you seen it?

No, I haven't seen it.

Oh, he's brilliant.

Yeah, you've got to have a...

It's a dormer.

Yeah, I don't know who the fellow is.

I don't know who he is, the rugby player,

but he gets in the dress room.

It won't Pavarotti.

It wasn't...

He keeps it in him similar.

It'd be a good prop.

Pavarotti would have...

Yeah.

I tell you what I did, like...

Well, I think we're T20 now

has changed massively as well.

Batsman.

Yeah.

Is that shot the boys now play

to the full ball, to the spinner?

Get off the back.

Get off the back, back.

Yeah.

We did it.

It's really used to have that.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Talkers through it, Phil.

Well, I don't know.

I'll be trying to think...

We had that a demo for a while.

Oh, no.

This is your Sanju Samson player.

Player of the tournament.

Yeah.

Harry, just go back a little bit.

Oh, sorry, Harry Samson.

Well, it's difficult because, as you say,

when it was a spin bowl,

you want to get them sort of...

You know, you want to get them looking to go there.

But even if you're bowling like quick,

that fin Allen.

Is it fin Allen?

Yeah.

It just fails there.

And you think, well, if, you know,

the ball's pitching there.

And the boys are just going,

bang!

I'm eating it on the sort of rise, do you know what I mean?

And that's whether it's spinning,

whether it's going on, whether it's skidding,

and they're not missing it through here.

I don't know how you can take him seriously.

I can't see anything seriously doing them back in the face.

I'm always kidding.

That's what you're looking good.

Yeah.

If you can't find a link as a spinner.

You're in a little bit of trouble, aren't you?

You're in a pickle.

You're in a pickle.

You're in a pickle.

The problem with the spinner has,

you mentioned that lengthening.

It's a bit shorter than what you've suggested.

But they're so wary of you go to that length that you were talking about.

The step-it.

So the step-it goes miles.

Yeah.

So you drop it in a little bit shorter.

You're right.

The stepping back that quickly.

And the spinner.

Oh, you're all over here.

You're all over here.

You're all over here.

You're all over here.

And the one thing in the top of the stump.

Yeah.

And that's the spinner.

The spinner then did have,

to try and counter sort of the step-and-fetch,

was bundle it into the surface.

Not short, but you know, get it into the surface.

Now the boys, they're just...

It's like...

And Sergio Simpson did it...

Against...

I'm out of breath.

Sergio Simpson was doing it to our boys as well.

And the seamers, where he just stands there

and just goes, twat, didn't he?

LAUGHTER

No, but it's not sort of hard.

It's not even a short ball.

No.

It's not over there.

He just stands there and just goes...

Right?

What about...

What about a...

A brevis?

What about a brevis when he plays this shot?

He's in the stand.

He just puts his head down.

LAUGHTER

Where are you running?

Where are you?

He's in the leg as well.

Oh, bow.

I just stand over there.

Harry Brook had me done.

I've got an apple in my hand.

What did he do wrong, Phil?

Well, I think he gets it in front of his face, doesn't he?

Listen, I can't talk.

Listen, but I mean, it wasn't...

Oh, you should be throwing Tavolny.

He's got the best cut with the felon.

He got it.

Come on, what did he do wrong?

Well, I think for a start of his, you say that was another one,

a sandwich, sort of...

And a bat's twizzled a bit, isn't it?

So I think A, he might have thought he'd actually leathered it, perhaps.

Is that might be right?

And he sort of...

He's sort of got himself...

In a sort of funny...

Yeah.

The issue was, he had both feet off the floor.

Yeah, that's right.

And so he had nothing to...

No, he didn't need it.

I think I reckon he's right.

He took it...

And he kind of looked like he was taking it quite easily, you know?

Yeah.

But with both feet off the ground, once the ball makes impact,

if you've got nothing solid keeping you on the ground,

it just bursts right away.

No, his feet are off the ground.

He's got a ball.

Right.

And I think also that it was that height when he's got himself, as you say,

couldn't they sort of get it like that?

Because he had no feet.

He sort of couldn't see it.

And he just...

What's in the end of it?

I've seen that before.

I've seen that before.

Oh, perfect.

Oh, that was...

I tell you, I think...

I like it.

I tell you, I think, is the stupidest team of the tournament.

Oh, hello.

South Africa.

Oh, thank you.

Because I'll tell you why.

If South Africa had allowed the West Indies to beat them

in the super ace, India would have been knocked out.

You're not allowed to do that.

No, but I'm just talking.

If they had just cleared them out, the juggernaut that was coming,

by winning that game,

they allowed the juggernauts to go,

we'll beat Zimbabwe.

We'll beat the West Indies in a quarter-final.

Then we'll beat England and then...

But they weren't through at that time, were they?

They weren't through it.

They had to play Zimbabwe next.

So South Africa were going to play Zimbabwe next.

I'm just saying...

No, no.

As a fact, that is...

Quite sensible.

Not sensible.

Well, I'm just saying...

If it had lost to the West Indies that day,

India would not have won the World Cup.

It's a gamble.

What are you saying?

We'll pick a lesser team.

Well, against Zimbabwe, they did dress three.

Yeah.

I'm not...

These things shouldn't happen and don't happen.

I'm just saying...

If they didn't have...

If they didn't have...

If you were like...

I didn't realise they...

I mean, it's like...

Then they put the pressure on them against Zimbabwe.

But just say they played their team and then just reverse the Bangalore.

So they lost to West Indies, but still played.

Are you...

Is that illegal?

It would be looked at as...

But looked at as what though?

Against the spirit of the game.

It is.

He's not in the spirit of the game.

There's no sanction for that.

No.

I'm just saying, if you want to win a World Cup,

the best way to win a World Cup is get rid of the best team.

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It is.

You were there, right?

Was there much chat?

Obviously, in the semi-final and in the final,

both teams against India won the toss and stuck them in.

Why?

Why?

Was there any chat about that before?

We talked about the forehand.

How do you beat?

We talked about it on the shoulder, you know.

Don't they come in?

No, let them back.

No pressure.

The only thing I say is right.

The 1KD semi-final, it was 40 degrees in the day

and there was a bit of wind.

They were talking about you coming in

because the wind didn't play for different intentions.

I don't know, but it was just the pure pits throughout.

So if it's the pure pits throughout your problem,

you're probably getting the runs on the board.

You go back to the 50 over World Cup,

England played South Africa at the 1KD.

Moily not.

We'll have a ball.

I remember that was a mad ball.

That was a 50 degrees or something.

In the final,

who got a ball?

Who stood stuck on it?

In the final.

You kept it?

No.

It was just.

In the final, there was a pitch.

You know, they have red soil pitch.

Why are you saving me?

I must save you, mate.

Well, this one out.

And I don't know which was a 65% or 35%,

but it was a mixed pitch.

It was a mixed pitch.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I didn't agree.

Yeah, so there were a bit unsure of what it was going to do.

Yeah, there were a bit unsure.

I guess because you're unsure,

most captain coaches,

when they're unsure,

in T20, create the Gemley ball that much.

You're all washed, brook.

You're all washed.

Did he play T20?

How much T20 did he play?

You're all washed, brook.

When I became captain at Wankishan, 1973,

yes.

If you're ever thinking

of inserting the opposition,

think again.

Yes.

And he walked off.

That was it.

From that day,

throughout my captaincy,

we'll bat.

Every time.

But we said it,

we said it, are we going to bat?

Are we going to be Indian?

You say, well, this is so good.

It's going back to old school, isn't it?

Have a bat.

And then hopefully,

be it a pressure build.

You get a couple early.

Yes, yes.

The one team to beat India in the tournament.

South Africa.

Guess what they did at a bat first.

There you go.

Doesn't matter how good you are.

It's a big man.

It does two things, isn't it?

You've got a batting line up like that.

Batting first.

They literally got no issue whatsoever

in terms of any sort of external pressure.

And then also,

you have the problem of having

Bumra defending, you know,

against you when you're chasing,

which is just a nightmare.

I think you'd rather take your chances against him.

Early daughter.

Bowling first.

Definitely.

Then with a rate on the board having to go at it.

Well, I tell you what they do really well,

Indian T20 team.

And the caps is that,

usually with someone like Bumra,

you think he's always going to bowl your two in the power play.

And then two down the back end.

What they do is they use him as an insurance policy.

So they let Hardik Pandian

ask Deep Bal the first two.

If they go really well,

ask Deep Mal Bal the third.

If they look like they need to drag it back,

Bumra or Bal the third.

If then the fourth over goes well.

He might not bowl in the power play.

Are you again seeing them?

They thought the back end was going to be important.

So they left him with three to the last ten.

In the final, they went two up the top,

because they wanted to clear out Fin Allen and Saifat.

Obviously, Aksa Patel ended up getting Fin Allen out.

But they changed the way that they use Bumra.

So the opposition couldn't predict.

If you know when he's going to bowl,

you can kind of work out the end.

And the other bowlers in the line up

are good enough to allow them to do that.

I mean, this is the point again about how important the bowlers are.

I mean, I thought Aksa, it was incredibly skillful with the new bowl.

It was one of the only blokes in the entire tournament

who was able to swing it both ways when it was new.

Hardick had a terrific tournament with the ball.

You'd kind of, and I, in IPL has gone by,

you'd look at Hardick and think he was a little bit of a liability with the ball,

but he's become very skillful of what he does.

And then the spinners checked with Arty.

Did he end up being...

He didn't bowl so well.

He ended up being leading Wiggy.

He went for more runs.

But lots and lots of options to be able to enable them to introduce Bummer

at the critical moments in the games, you know?

Which did not.

But there again, the bat first.

Yeah, they did very well.

As we know, the bat first,

you can sort of negotiate and then catch up and everything.

Instead of, like you're saying,

we didn't want to have a go at Bummer,

because you've got two or three.

And you force the opposition.

You force the opposition's captain's hand a little bit more in terms of how he uses his bowlers.

Absolutely.

Instead of just going right,

old and weak and really sit back to see how Winters will work out.

Yeah.

Gambia is obviously...

He's a coach, isn't he Gambia?

Yep.

And so he's stock as risen.

Well, he's now got Bummer.

Absolute pelters.

He does, and it's because of the testing.

But, yeah, yeah.

You know, if you look at the whiteball team now that India have,

we've got to start speaking that this potentially is a real danger for the rest of the world.

They should have won the 50th World Cup, they didn't, but then won the

T20 World Cup in the Caribbean.

They won the Asia Cup.

They've won the Champions trophy.

They've won another T20.

So the back-to-back World Cup.

T20 Champions.

Yeah.

Never been done before.

A team's never won the T20 World Cup in their own backyard,

indeed, or have done it.

How the hell is the rest of the world going to stop this juggernaut?

Because, let's talk now.

So this is India's first team that we've just seen win.

I think we can name another Indian.

Indian, I've been there probably come second.

Shulman Gil.

Well, you've got Shulman Gil.

Yes, it's a G.I. So I sure is.

Jiti Sharma.

The left-hander.

You've got a T20 World.

Suri Vancey.

You've got Rishabh Pant.

Yes, sir.

Rishabh Pant.

You've got Sir Raj.

Yes, sir.

Kaldip Yadav.

Yuvichihal.

Poh, give me more name.

I reckon they're second team.

I've said, it'll be like the last days when you taught Australia.

Yes, sir.

You played it.

In the 80s, the 80s made you up as well.

You could very easily swap out India's top six with another top six.

And it wouldn't harm them a great deal.

It wouldn't.

And that's where I go back to the bum reflector.

He's so...

He's the only one that can't be replaced.

But we'll be able to go.

We were saying how good he is.

Well, that's how good he is.

He's the only one that can't be replaced in that line.

Stick to cricket.

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Who are the casualties coaching-wise?

Well, Brendan's all right, any?

Well, he seems all right, doesn't he?

That's the whisper.

He's just whether...

Can they adapt?

Can they sort of change what they've done?

Go back to Ben Stork's interview.

They've rumbled what we're doing.

Yeah.

So you've got to come up with something else.

Yeah.

Well, the debate is...

I mean, Brooks...

Well, let's get to what he's ever played under.

Let's get on the one.

He doesn't play under another.

OK.

Well, that's true.

He's speaking facts, then.

And also, you're not going to...

You're not going to slack him.

I'm still going to slack kill the sector.

Let's be honest, from a playing perspective, a player's perspective,

I think he must be great to play for him.

Of course he is.

He gives him pretty much the license to be and go out there and play.

I mean...

My difficulty looking at it is...

You've got to win.

You've got to win trophies, aren't you?

Yeah.

That is a fact.

And did we beat any big boys?

Not really.

Well, we...

No.

Well, New Zealand and the last group stage, Supra, it was a good win in...

Oh, you're talking about this comp?

Yeah.

I think...

I think this comp is kind of glossed over what was the real problem in the win since the ashes.

Yeah.

The ashes was a shocker.

Yeah.

Now, we can't just because we've had a couple of good T-20 knocks from Ari Brook and Jacob.

Oh, everything's rosy.

You know, the facts of the winter is that the main course,

which we have to judge the single management on, it was a shocker.

And it's how you get over that.

And can this change?

Obviously, if they're going to stay in position and the media have been after him,

haven't they?

The media, by and large, have been after McCullum, that he's got to change.

The hierarchy have said, we're going to stick with what we've got.

But I think I would debate.

It's the laugh to change.

They're uproar.

They've got to stop with things.

But I don't know, Bas, well, I mean, you've been on a golfing trip with him.

But I don't know whether he can change from his philosophy.

I heard he's interviewed at the end of the semi-final where he said,

we didn't quite stick to...

I don't know what the actual word...

We didn't stick to our values of what we've been before.

Yes.

I would say that they actually did.

Tickling the first two, Charlie.

They did.

You know, the first two games, you go about to Perth Day 2,

they played the basketball away, got balled out, lost the game.

You go to Brisbane with the pink ball, Nisa Bold, with the keeper stood up,

all the big drives.

That's the basketball way.

It was found out.

You go to the first innings in Adelaide.

Well, we should have got 354, wasn't it?

It was a road.

The basketball method got us balled out too cheaply.

And then they started to play a little bit.

Obviously, the basketball won the game in Melbourne.

That's fine.

But ultimately, it was the method that they've been playing

that cost them in Australia.

Can I just come in?

You go up to long-term international captains

and ease captains as well at international level.

For an afternoon.

Is it...

You have a breather.

Is it not...

The captain who drives the team.

Yeah.

So, we're talking about McCullum, McCullum, McCullum.

It's the captain drives the team.

Well, I think we go back to this winter.

Obviously, the ashes, which we cannot gloss over.

But we did say that they had to get to semi-final.

Oh, I bet that.

Which they got to semi-final to give them McCullum.

If that's what the hierarchy want to do,

I think if you didn't get to see...

If they got knocked out Super 8, I think it was...

I know.

And we're going back to the results driven business.

I think McCullum would probably had to go.

I think he's done enough in this T20

to allow him to continue in my...

The thing which I'm now looking at is,

are they brave enough, or honest enough,

to admit that mistakes were made

and they're going to change the philosophy of selection.

A bit more because...

All counting.

Just...

Because he cannot pick in, for example,

and I don't want to pick that crawly out one going to,

he's average 30 for 70 test matches,

and he's played every game.

Are we now saying...

I think that that's proven.

His big moment was that ashes.

He's been in this game in Australia and he hasn't.

So are we now going right?

We've got to change.

That has to change.

That philosophy has to change.

The preparation we know we spoke about is wrong.

We're going back on over old grounds.

Do I think McCullum can change

and can lead him forward?

I think he can.

But there has to be some...

Because I'd like to see it happen.

Because Bass is doing it completely different

to probably anybody else.

And I think there's a bit of a myth that a lot of people

in the game don't quite understand what happens

in the closed doors of the England dressing room.

I think he's got to go out into the county game

and present to all the counties and all the players

and all the coaches.

This is the way I go about my business.

This is my blueprint. This is what I want.

This is what I expect.

When I set up a test team, these are my players what I want.

These are the way that I want you to play.

He's done that and they failed.

No, but not counting.

I don't think the counties have a clue what they're trying to weigh in to get.

Well, I think everyone has done.

Because they've openly said we want players who can...

Game games are cricket and we'll look back.

I think everyone knows that.

I don't think he's ever gone into the dressing rooms of our game

and just explain to everyone.

This is the reason why I go about my business this way.

I agree.

To really explain it.

And then everyone goes, OK.

And by the way, answer some questions from people that might go,

oh, I don't think that's quite right.

I think people will be surprised, actually.

I think that he's got himself in this position

where he thinks that everyone plays golf

and everyone's very loose and messing about and everything.

He's not like that.

I can guarantee you.

I don't think he is.

No.

He won't be like, you know,

oh, come on, that's not what I was about.

He might just...

It's perceived as that way.

And I might write a little bit.

He might just be protecting his players a bit too much.

Correct.

And if he did...

Oh, he didn't have to go to the county.

Just make a statement that you're all in the mix now

to come back to Zach Crawley.

Zach Crawley is not automatic.

He's in the mix with other players

and we're going to look on form

that we're going to see.

It's going to be quite a while before we play a test match

and there's going to be a lot of cricket played.

And so players like I mean,

and like Sibley, who've been there before,

they're in the mix to open the batting.

But I think optics are really important at this stage.

I'm not a big person for optics generally,

but I think it's very important

that Basmicala is seen out and about.

And I'm not saying April and May,

the whole of April,

because he's probably going to go back to New Zealand for a breather.

But come in May,

come and study a bit of our game

and get out and about just to show your face.

Be seen.

You know, be seen in and around all the county games.

Watch a bit of 4-day cricket.

Speak to the coach.

That comment that Darren Lima made on the win.

It was probably one of the biggest comments that I heard this winter.

He is a coach of North answer.

He's not had one phone call.

It's remarkable.

It's remarkable.

I mean, that aside,

I think what he's going to survive, right?

Or not survive.

He's going to be head coach.

All three formats.

I don't think he's a coach of Whiteboard.

He cannot have another coach, can they?

No, no.

So he's doing a whole lot.

But what I would like to see on the field is,

we know, right,

that given a fair win,

and given things in their favour,

that England can play a game

at a sort of an elevated level,

particularly at home, they've done it, right?

But what I want to see from a Basmicala Ben Stokes lead team

is the ability for them to go up and down the gears

and do that when it's optimal for them to do so.

And play the game the way that it's meant to be played

in other times.

That's kind of it.

You know, I don't think that there's,

there isn't a massive amount of argument for me

around the players that England have selected.

You can, you know,

nitpick one position here,

or a bowl of there, or whatever,

the spinner, or whatever if you like.

But generally speaking,

they're the best players that England have available to play.

But too often they've played in a way

that has given the opposition,

I don't know, let's say six, seven wickets

out of 20 in a test match.

And as a consequence of that,

they fail to sort of win big moments

and big series against big teams.

I mean, I'm intrigued to see what,

how they play.

Because actually the first two games

they played really attackingly,

the next test match, Ben Stokes,

got like, what, is it, 50 or 170?

I mean, well, Ben Stokes only balls.

For me, there was a dawning there.

Kind of, we're redoing some old ground here.

But there was a dawning there for Ben there.

Actually, this is, you know,

his legacy is on the line,

or was on the line there during the ashes.

He wanted to be an England captain

that had that feather in his cap,

and that it wasn't going to work out

doing it the way that they were doing it.

And so they're appeared at the time

to be sort of some cross-wire

between the captain and the coach and the messaging.

And, you know, so that needs to be sorted out.

And the only way that we will see that

as observers from the outside

is by the way that England then go

about playing their cricket tunes, of course.

Well, help us have just said that, though.

Just very, very quick, sorry, Bob.

We're very quickly having said that.

But then that style of play against Pakistan

and New Zealand in English kind of conditions

would probably...

What?

Which it did.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

That is so, he's got himself in a bit of a funny place here now

because you do sort of stuff, you know,

looking to change your philosophy.

By the way, when actually the philosophy

that might be required this summer

is the one that you have to go back to.

Yeah, but why so far?

I think what we're trying to say is,

and we've said it for a few years now,

you can't just play one way in test cricket.

No, you can't.

You've just got to be able to adapt and assess

and work out the situation.

Whatever that situation is for that hour,

then you play it accordingly both with that and ball.

And then you go again for the next...

The test cricket is all about the kind of movement

of what happens.

These are two established captains.

If the coach says so now...

Fellows, enjoy yourself and entertain me.

You too are going to say, this is my team.

You drive the team, surely.

You're the captain, you drive the team.

But you drive it...

You drive it with the coach.

So, like, you and Duncan Fletcher...

Yeah, you and Duncan Fletcher would have sat down

and said, this is how we play.

This is how we want to play.

What do you say?

It's interesting.

So, I played under Duncan...

Yeah.

...with Michael as captain,

and with Nasser.

With two of them as captain.

And Central contracts.

And Central could both with Central contracts, right?

So, that's no different from now.

Everyone's got Central contracts and stuff.

But you had the same coach, Duncan Fletcher,

working with two completely different characters.

Oh, Nasser is saying it.

Completely different, right?

The team under Nasser.

And it was...

We had to go from being the worst team in the world

to slowly climb up the charts.

Nasser then hands it over when he felt

that he'd taken the team and the players in it

and the way that we were playing as far as he could go.

And then Michael took it on a step further.

So, the same coach changed the way that he...

that his outlook and the way that he treated players

or allowed players to kind of come up with their own solutions

or play in a slightly more on the front foot way...

with two different captures.

So, it's not impossible.

No, you're absolutely right.

The coach has to check.

But that was from...

The only difference in this situation is it's the same captain.

Yes.

That's the only one I'm the same coach.

So, both of them are more than happy for them to both carry on.

But they do have to just change and adapt.

I think Ben's already got in his head that he wants to.

But you've also got the specter of...

I've already talking about the next way,

actually serious or whatever.

But the Ben won't be around by then.

So, at some point in the next...

in the next 18 months or two years,

there is going to be somebody else taking over that job.

There has to be.

Will you say the stoke Ben will get to...

20 sashes.

If he can't heal well.

No, no, to the ashes at home.

Yeah, but after that...

The tea is a long time.

No, I know that.

But what you know is, for a fact,

is that at some point,

the next guy needs to be sort of being put in place

and being ready to take over the job.

Well, I reckon...

Jacob...

I do, I see plenty in Jacob.

I mean, they...

Well, I mean...

Yeah, I mean...

He's captain.

He's just captain the...

captain of champions.

Yeah, yeah.

I've got 1,500 runs as 6 or 7 hundred.

Yeah.

A fair lick.

A blocker.

He can play.

Well, the problem, Jacob,

we'll have is, you know,

the fact that he plays all formats.

And he's such a busy kid.

But from what I've seen,

they've made him see 20 captains remember last September,

which was remarkable.

But you kind of look at...

And I have to give...

You know, Luke Wright is leaving his position.

I think he's gone now, isn't he?

Yeah.

After this walk up,

and you mentioned selection,

I think he's done a good job,

quietly in the background.

And I don't...

Check all of it from him.

I don't know.

No idea.

But I think he deserves a bit of praise and credit

for doing half a decent job.

Are you under the rate?

What's that, mate?

Luke Wright's job.

Oh, god.

I'm an expert.

I don't have a fight army for it, wouldn't I?

And he's winning, so...

What if a army said he couldn't get it winning?

No, I've had no discussions on that front.

Well, he has obvious styles.

Like, yes, Brian Lister.

Yes, Brian Lister.

I couldn't move.

But you'd be interested in...

No, no, interest, Phil.

Would you be interested?

Oh, you...

I'd love to do it here.

Look, right now, I'd be there.

Or a county guy.

He was going to see weird old mates again.

I'm in a little cricket class, so why not be a lunch-lovely?

He's all right. He's in.

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You've got a job.

I've got a job.

That is how Jacob Ethel became an Englishman.

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Right, Lads.

I think we'll finish with some community questions.

Well, this is one for you, I think.

With the Cheltenham Festival star in this week...

Oh, yeah, good.

Want to know your favourite UK sporting event?

That isn't Cricket-related.

Ooh.

FA Cup Final for you.

Yeah. Back in the day, though.

I had a cup.

Right, a cup.

I'm having the...

I'm having the Ali Palli Darts.

UK, Dave.

What a week.

What's it?

Oh, do you...

It's always UK.

It's always UK.

Right, a cup's great.

Yeah.

Anything like Darts.

Ali Palli Darts.

Ali Palli Darts.

Ali Palli.

Ali Palli Darts.

Over Christmas. What a day.

Yeah.

What are you going for, Phil?

I like the FA Cup show.

He's the old one.

Oh, yes.

When the TV used to start at 9 o'clock in the morning.

It didn't build up on the coach.

On the coach.

On the coach.

On the coach.

On the coach.

And the team bored him and telling the joke on the coach.

The team used to stay around a quarter from my gaffer

at what used to be known as the Sells and Park Hotel.

Which is like...

I mean, it's the worst drive in the world.

The worst land in the world.

But all the teams used to stay.

I put the suit off to my limit.

Three of the opposite.

Put your white suit on.

Put your white suit on.

The lute and off to Wembley on 12th of April.

What, we want?

With the Voodoo Cup. Thank you very much.

What's that?

Well, don't know. It's like, there's the FA Cup.

There's a Champions League in the FA Cup.

Then it's the Caravog Cup.

Then it's...

With Miko.

I like...

I've only been to it once, but the open is pretty special.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I've been.

I've been to that.

Well, that's good.

The Bumble just for you.

Name your top three jockeys of all time.

Let's do bigger.

Yeah.

It's a question of sport.

Money?

Yes, I've done it.

I think I did well.

AP McCoy.

AP McCoy.

Yeah.

Good golfer.

Dutory.

Dutory.

Dutory.

Danyl Vittor.

Daniel Vittor.

Daniel Vittor.

Frank P. Vittor.

I met Daniel Vittor.

Oh, fuck off.

I've got Daniel again.

Pat Henry.

Pat Henry.

Pat Henry.

Yeah.

John Joe.

John Joel Neil.

Oh.

I mean, I'm an idiot.

Yeah.

I asked for three.

Right.

Plenty there.

Right.

Let's go.

Oh, this will be good.

The 100th...

Joanna Mason.

Joanna Mason, right.

The 100th auction on Thursday.

I think the show goes out Wednesday, so.

Is your number one pick?

Cool.

Blah.

Can you name all the teams?

No.

We've got an elephant.

Have we?

What is your number one pick?

We've got...

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He's got four pants.

Elephant.

He's got...

He's got...

He's got...

He's got...

He's got strong pants.

What is...

He's got...

And he's the strong...

What have we got?

An elephant.

An elephant.

An elephant.

So, what's your opinion called?

As well.

Biggie is...

Super...

Giants.

You're the Manchester Super Giants.

Sunrise isn't it, Leeds Sunrise?

Leeds Sunrise.

He's Sunrise, isn't it?

You don't know all the people that are sunrise...

The people...

Oh, come on, let's name the teams.

Who are my Indians?

I was London Indian.

Who are my Indians?

No, London...

London, M.I. London.

M.I. London. M.I. London.

No, is it the London sort of M.I. 5 in my London spirit?

The London spirit, at least.

The London spirit, still London spirit.

I think they are. Well, they are, I think they are.

I think they are.

Cardiff is...

I stayed for.

Wells fire.

Are they still the Wells fire?

You're asking the wrong person, eh?

No, this is good.

Wells fire.

Who else played?

Birmingham...

Phoenix.

They're still the Phoenix.

The southern brave are still the southern brave.

That's seven. That's seven.

Oh, the capitals.

Who?

The capitals.

What are the over? What are the over?

Over my London.

Yeah, M.I. London.

It might be the London capitals.