Are you all-in on Todd Monken?

I was already in on Munkin.

Yeah.

I'm more in on Munkin.

Okay.

The answers yesterday, the, and I just want to play it because it made me happy.

There were so many things about this clip and Daryl actually, I want to give Daryl credit

because he put the multiple clips together, but started out as a question about him not

being there at, uh, for the coaches photo.

Yeah, for the haircut.

Yeah.

And then it led into what I think is probably the smartest thing I've heard a coach say.

Do you feel like you got a disproportionate amount of the bluster for that?

Oh, I didn't, I really don't give a ****.

Yeah.

I mean, I didn't undo with me.

I mean, they moved the meeting.

I didn't miss it.

I was just trying to get a sweet haircut.

I mean, that's what I was trying to do.

And then they moved the meeting.

Now, you can blame that I should have been at the meeting when they moved it up and my

ass would have known that's when it was.

Yeah.

Okay.

I got you.

Was it disappointing?

Bet your ass it was disappointing.

Would it my life to be a head coach?

I'm not in the head coach's picture.

You'd think with AI, they could have done that quickly and got me in there, but no,

it's the way it is.

It'll be under the bridge and what a matter most is whether we, how we move from here and

do we win or not.

That ultimately none of that will matter.

The reason I asked is that there's this perception around the grounds, you know, what can

go wrong, will go wrong.

People always read the worst into what happens here.

How can you guys change that perception?

Winning.

Well, it changes everything, right?

What changes?

Winning changes everything, right?

I told the coaches that the other day, right?

Or playing well.

How does a player stop the narrative?

Play well.

How do we stop the narrative of an offense score?

How does that be narrative of winning?

It's pretty fricking simple.

Now I know, and I know you're greater takeaway from yesterday is there are two or three great

moments and then the rest of it was slop.

Basically, I don't know about slop.

That seems a little harsh, but it was two or three firework moments and the rest of it

I thought was very generic.

Really, what the back end of that last answer was, where it's like winning, winning is how

we do this.

It's like, well, give me the roadmap.

Tell me how you do it.

I related it to when you watch those TikTok shows and they try to tell you how to become

independently wealthy.

And if the answer wasn't telling you how to do it, but it wasn't saying, you just need

to add more money to your bank account.

It was like, all right, great.

You showed me nothing there.

You told me nothing there.

I think the thing that I give Todd Munkin credit for, and I used to say this as a knock

on Kevin.

With Kevin, you just didn't give anything and it just came off as completely inauthentic

and unapproachable.

I don't need a coach to tell me everything, but I do need when he does speak on something

that it must rhyme with the truth.

He's never going to be 100% of the truth, but I'll settle for rhyming for the truth.

Sure, yeah, yeah.

And that's all I've heard from Todd Munkin.

And so like yesterday, voluntary minicamps are a tough spot to be when it comes to trying

to upset the apple card or say anything interesting, but I like, I just, I think the energy's

right.

And I hear a coach, it's going to be really hard for me to believe that if you're a one

win team in the middle of October, that it's not because of some flaw with the roster,

like it's his flaw.

Like I tend to think that if this team could be a seven win team, he's going to get you

there.

Okay.

I like that you're hopeful.

I didn't leave yesterday feeling more hopeful.

But as we, as we kind of went throughout the day, there were certain things I obviously

appreciated.

I like the idea that it seemed like he called out Miles Garrett without actually putting

Miles Garrett's name on it, but the idea that anyone that, that listened to it and paid

attention to not only even the Miles answer, but how he was talking about people being

there ahead of time, he was telling Miles, I wish you would have been here.

Mike, there's, there's little things like that that I do think matter and I think popped

up.

And so like, it wasn't the worst thing I've ever heard.

I just, I thought people just, I think I thought people went overboard online because of

a couple of highlighted clips.

When the bulk of it, he was starting to turn some of his answers into very, very Andrew

Barry S type answers and he was starting to almost sound like he'd been brownsified

a little bit.

And I'm a little worried about that.

Listen, one of the cool things about monkey and is that he hasn't been brownsified.

If, if all I get is three explosive moments of press conference, that's three more than

Kevin Stavansky ever gave.

Well, and so that's, that's where we kind of have to just say, okay, great.

We'll take it because Stavansky gave us just so little throughout the years that we're

starved for anything that we're just, we're ready to go ahead and make a big deal

about it just about everything.

Now, while I am all in on monkey and by the way, it wasn't just that press conference.

It is, it is the fact that I think he's old enough to know that he can't do the, I will

get him next year thing.

But John Middell cough was on F S one was on with Colin Coward and the herd and he has

a different take on Todd Monkin.

To me, the biggest red flag about the situation is how defensive he's getting.

I mean, I'm not trying to kick a dead horse and everyone's so mean to the browns.

He's got one and done written all over them.

They got no, they got no quarterbacks.

Well, the one thing that helps Monkin is they let go of a guy who was respected in the

league and interviewed for seven jobs.

So if, if, if Monkin is a one and done guy and I don't know if he is, I mean, obviously

got some talent as a coach, but if he is a one and done guy, my take is then that would

be once again, Jimmy Haslam admitting, yeah, I screwed it up.

Yeah, I, I hated this take for middle cough.

So yeah, when you, when you say, we have somebody that works here in the back when I first

showed up yesterday because I was listening to it on the Odyssey rewind and I'm listening

to it.

I'm right at that spot.

And then the person in the back goes, oh boy, he got really testy there.

He got really defensive.

And I, I just, I didn't hear it that way.

Middle cough said the same terms though, middle cough used the word defensive as well.

Don't you have a right to get defensive in this moment or whatever perceived defensiveness

is?

Yeah, I don't think it's an issue like I can defend him for something.

I'd be honest with you, I think the corporate friendly, uh, say nothing, do nothing coach.

It's that this era of coaches, um, unless they win, they're completely uninteresting.

And what an interesting, I mean, they're unapproachable, unrelatable and overall just seem

like they're not all that interested in the part of their job that I think is probably

more important if you're not winning, which is speaking like somebody who gives a crap

that you're not winning.

I just, I'd like, I didn't listen, he gave a specific reason, he gave a press camp, which

that's a stupid reason to say a guy's going to be one and done.

Like oh, he was, he was, he was testy, whether, not anybody agrees with that in an OTA press

conference.

So he's going to be one and done.

That feels a little hacky for me and John middle cough is in no way a hack.

So that already annoyed me.

The second was, it's just not the first time I've heard somebody say one and done and

I am a little sick of Todd Munkin getting the Freddie Kitchens treatment from the greater

media when he's not Freddie Kitchens.

Like this is a guy who got Lamar Jackson to pass for career high numbers.

This is a guy who Lamar went from, well, we think he's still just a running quarterback

to, to, you know, being an MVP again, oh, this is a guy who actually got good football.

James Winston once upon a time.

This is a guy who was a successful at coach at, at SMU, like it's just, like people are

treating him like this guy hasn't earned it.

And this to me is, I'll say it again, I think this is Bruce Ariens 2.0.

Like I think this is a guy who is ignored because he doesn't just talk like a, like he

went to a high, a Harvard, a Harvard Ivy League school where everything that comes out

is just vanilla garbage.

This is a guy that talks like a real football guy.

And there's a guy that is older than people like that to me, his age is not a minus.

It's a positive.

And I think this is what the Browns need if the rest of their front office in their ownership

is talking about Bitcoin and, you know, funding godless amounts or whatever different political

things.

The funny thing about it to me is that he had these couple moments and he had this moment

that we're talking about now.

And this is what the national media is hanging on to.

I thought for a lot of that press conference, it was very generic and it was very him just

kind of, I don't know, again, I said Browns a fight earlier, but him kind of using some

of those cliches and using some of what we've seen Stofanski using the past, which in

a weird way shows like a willingness to almost, I don't know, conform to what they want.

But when I would tell Munkin, and this where I was upset with it yesterday, is I didn't

sign up for that version of Munkin.

I signed up for the version of Munkin that'll be like, all right, the picture thing was

stupid.

I was there at the time that they said for me to be there.

They rescheduled it.

That's their problem next topic.

That's the Munkin I signed up for like the, you get it on that question though, and that's

what I like.

But I get it was too few and far between and there was a lot more of, but he's not going

to lob grenades in the first day of voluntary OTA, but the takeaway is that he did.

That's the thing.

The takeaway is that he did lob grenades and if it was a firework show and people are acting

like, you mentioned Freddie Kitchens, people are acting like that's what that was.

That's not what that was in no respect was that it.

But what I would have drawn to about Munkin, and I don't know if we'll work out or not,

but what I was drawn to about Munkin is that he's not cut from the same coaching cloth

that everybody is.

And if you're going to, if you're going to do this differently, you have to have a different

head coach and somebody that beats to his own drum.

And so, like those type of moments, those are the moments I actually light from that

press conference.

If Todd Munkin is one and done with the Browns, it'll be Jimmy Haslum's biggest failure

is Brown's owner.

I want to, I want to run that one back.

I don't know if I agree with that.

I think Dishon Watson's the biggest failure.

Here's why it's bigger is because you've lived through that.

You've lived through having a head coach here for six years in place, right?

You've seen what stability looks like.

So that should inform, like if you go back to one and done or two and done with coaches,

you effectively are saying not only did any of that other stuff not really matter, especially

when I was part of bringing down our whatever championship window we had by making the

worst trade NFL history, but now we're back to the cycle of suck that is every year,

every two years, we're hiring a new GM or new head coach.

And that, and that will say so much more about Jimmy Haslum.

And in fact, Andrew Barry, than it ever will about.

Well, unless this whole plan is to suck for 2026, be in position to take arts manning.

And then when you're in position to take arts manning, you can do what the Raiders did last

year, all of a sudden, you get a kubiac and you get somebody of value.

I just really struggle with the idea that Todd Munkin would sign up for that because we

can say, I don't know, he'd be signing up for it.

It would just be the understanding that this is, this is what's going to happen.

And so he, he'd be, he'd be signing up under false pretenses is the idea.

I mean, I know Hugh Jackson said that happened to him, but I don't really believe Hugh Jackson.

I would be, listen, I, one, I think there's more of a chance that Todd Munkin gets fired

for winning too many games, a la Lovey Smith, then not winning enough.

No, I'm not saying I think that's the plan ultimately, but what I am saying is I wouldn't

put it past the haslums and, and by the way, if we're, if we're going to talk about

the idea that they'll, they'll, they'll owe so much and they'll lose so much in firing

ahead coach after one season again.

Again, I'll give you the idea is, is that you're wind up to then take a great quarterback

or perceive great quarterback at one and then you get a really good coach because they

want to coach that quarterback.

I think a lot of fans would ultimately forget it.

Listen, if it didn't hurt the Raiders who their reputation is right there with the

Browns and Jets amongst the, the worst in the NFL, even Tom Brady can't cover that

one up.

It probably wouldn't hurt the Browns any year, I agree.