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Good evening, everybody.

How is everybody doing here tonight?

It is another episode of Unidentified History.

This one's probably at least a week overdue.

If not a little bit longer than that, I am your host Dave Unger coming to you here tonight

to talk to you a little bit about the 2026 Conscious Life Expo, or the program, I'm not sure

you can see it, kind of fading in and out.

There you go.

Took place February 20 through the 23rd, down in Los Angeles.

And I've been meaning to do this episode to recap the event and of course that got delayed

because of all the nonsense going on with the X account, which I'm not going to get

into in this video.

I did a separate standalone video that's not even part of the attitude of aggression,

line of anything of explaining what happened with the X account, explaining where things

are very unlikely.

I'm going to get that account back and I hope that this would resolve itself quicker

than it would and I could kind of stream this through the X live chat or the X live feature

as well as on YouTube, but that's not going to happen.

So I've waited long enough and the expo is a couple of weeks ago, so I want to do this

recap of this event by enlarge the Conscious Life Expo, 2026 Conscious Life Expo, down

in LA.

It was excellent.

It really was surprising to me just how good of an event this really was.

And the number of vendors and the things to see and the things you could do and buy and

interact with was really stunning.

I did not expect it to be as massive an event as it was.

I mean, this took up three floors of the Los Angeles Hilton, the Hilton at the LA X

man.

There was just so much to see, so much to do, so much to experience.

And really just the quality of the speakers who showed up for this thing and I'll talk

about the ones I attended, obviously, but it's not like, you know, when I did the UAP summit

a couple weeks ago, and that one, you know, I could attend every single panel that was going

on because it was all sequential.

It was linear.

Conscious Life Expo is very much like contact in the desert.

In fact, I've called it contact light because, you know, you had a lot of occasions where

speakers you would be interested in, we're speaking at the same time and you obviously,

you couldn't be in two places at once.

I mean, I guess in theory, you could go from one to the other, but the cost for like

a three day pass down there was ridiculously cheap, like 125 bucks for three days.

Compared contrast to I just paid for like one day at contact in the desert, $189 bucks

for one day, and I'll be getting a couple more of those as we go along because I am going

to go to contact in the desert.

I would have got a longer pass, but they haven't released the schedule yet, just the speakers,

which looks stacked to be honest with you guys.

But our Conscious Life Expo was, had a lot of great speakers.

I was very fortunate to get to go to, let's see, how many panels did I actually get to

go to?

One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten of them.

Wow.

So I got to go to ten of the panels, nine of them were paid for.

So I paid for, no, wait, was it nine?

Yeah.

Nine of them were paid for in addition to the $125.

But it wasn't bad.

I mean, everyone of these workshops was like $55 with the exception of the secret technology

panel, which is like an additional 20.

And then the very last panel I did was a freebie.

It was a free panel.

So I got to do that as well.

So I'm going to recap, you know, the highlights of the panels that I went to because I think

I picked a really good and strong cross section of people in the UAP community that many

of us who follow this topic as passionately as we do are going to recognize their names

and would be interested in all the things that they had to say.

So let's get into it.

So Friday I go down there, and this, of course, I go down there on Friday, the 20th of February.

And, you know, this is the day after the ex account has been hacked and all that shit's

going on down there.

But the first person I got to see was none other than Rizwan Verk.

And Rizwan Verk, of course, we know him as the author of the simulation hypothesis.

And what we discovered is a weekend when along is that Rizwan Verk had, I think he had

just passed his PhD or something like that.

So he's now Dr. Verk.

So if you see him, make sure you call him by his appropriate and distinguished title, Dr.

Verk, because that's what he is now.

So a lot of what he talked about, I, of course, I, 1000%, highly recommend you check out

Rizwan's tremendous books, The Simulation Hypothesis, and the follow up, I think it's simulation

matrix or something like that.

They are phenomenal works and really will get you thinking about the world at a different

light.

And I'm kind of really glad that I've started to study quantum mechanics a lot more.

And I've always shied away from it because it's a psych, you know, math was never, I mean,

it was a strong seat of mind up until like they started adding an algebra and calculus.

And then I started struggling a little bit.

So I kind of shied away and probably explained why he came a lawyer because we don't deal

with math as much as doctors and stuff like that.

But that issue notwithstanding, I thought that the studying quantum mechanics lately, and

I've been doing that through this video series, I got off Amazon Prime called the many

worlds of quantum mechanics, Sean Carroll is a professor for this thing.

And he's explaining quantum mechanics in a way that is some like digestible, like I'm

capturing about I'm retaining and understanding roughly 60, 70% of what I'm watching.

But it's really cool because so much of that ties into Rizwan's work and the simulation

hypothesis concepts like quantum entanglement and things of that nature, you know, waves,

particles, how all that fits together, why certain things like quantum entanglement make

more sense at a simulated universe that it would if we were in like, say, base reality.

That sort of thing.

And Rizwan talked a lot about concepts and theories that tie directly into quantum

mechanics.

Paul Heineck had introduced Rizwan work.

Paul was one of the ones that I wanted to see, but it conflicted with something else

I had tickets for on Sunday, I'll talk about that when we get to that.

But I thought, you know, Rizwan's whole thing was an excellent, excellent lecture talking

about simulation theory, the hypothesis behind it, some of the more intricacies and nuances

of the whole thing.

And I thought it was an excellent workshop by Rizwan, really glad I got a chance to go

there.

I was so bummed though, he was like, after he was done talking up on the upper level,

like the third floor of the LA Hilton, he was doing book signings for the simulation

hypothesis.

And I'm like, shit, I got a version of it on on Kindle, obviously he's not going to

be citing my Kindle thought about buying another version.

But I was like, you know, it's had to think about getting to the next seminar and I wasn't

sure, well, should I just buy another copy and have him sign it.

And then there was a pretty good line in front of it.

And I just opted against the whole thing.

So I didn't do that.

But I will honestly say Rizwan's lecture, he's very well spoken, really cool guy to listen

to him talk and was just enamored with the whole thing and really pleased that that was

how I got to start the whole conscious life expo by watching Rizwan Burke talk about simulation

hypothesis, some quantum mechanics, some quantum physics, and just a different way of looking

at it.

Because I've said it before simulation hypothesis simulation theory, it can be a scary

thing for a lot of people.

It really does collide and force you to embrace some things that a lot of people are uncomfortable

with.

Especially those who really cling to the Bible, the more religious people, the way that

they think that the universe is in a certain structure, a certain way of coming together.

And simulation hypothesis kind of challenges that.

But at the same time, it's all tied together.

It's all relative.

It's all one big thing, one big concept.

And so while I get that it makes some people very nervous about what are they talking about

with simulation hypothesis and that sort of thing, if you're even remotely interested

in it, I would absolutely urge you to buy Rizwan's book, read simulation hypothesis, make

up your own mind.

Because there is a lot of aspects of quantum mechanics that don't make a lot of sense unless

there's some sort of simulation going on at some level.

Quantum entanglement is the big thing where particles separated by light years are identical.

You know, if one of them spin up in one state, you know that it's four light years away,

it's going to be spin up over there just by the fact that you observe this whole thing.

So by all means, go check out Rizwan's book and I think you'll enjoy it.

I think it's very enlightening and very educational.

One thing that has to be noted that right when conscious life expo was starting, this is

the same day.

I think it's the same day or the day after.

I'm not sure.

And you got to remember that when my ex account got hacked and I couldn't access it, a big

aspect of my way to get the news about UFOs and UAPs and stuff had been cut off.

So I had no idea about what was going on with Donald Trump.

This is right after, of course, Obama had made the announcement that aliens are real.

I just haven't seen them.

Then he walked that back.

Then, you know, Donald Trump on Air Force one, it says, Obama disclosed classified information.

He really shouldn't have done that.

He did.

Obama disclosed what part of that was classified, Donald.

Did you just accidentally confirm disclosure in a certain way?

And then, of course, Donald Trump makes the now famous tweet, ordering everybody.

And, you know, actually this stuff, some of this stuff I've got,

you know, I had, I had on my phone.

I took a lot of screenshots of the event and let me, let me touch on that real quick.

But let me look at Donald's Trump, Donald's tweet, which was, I don't know when this happened.

I don't know, six hours ago and I took this on February 20th.

So I guess it was the same day, but of course, we all know what it says.

Based on the tremendous interest shown, I will be directing the secretary of war and other relevant

departments and agencies to begin the process of identifying and releasing government files

related to alien and extraterrestrial life, unidentified aerial phenomena, UAP, and unidentified

flying objects, UFOs, and any and all other information connected to these highly complex,

but extremely interesting and important matters, God bless America.

This was the tweet that set the UFO world on fire as conscious life expo is going on.

That becomes extremely relevant for the next panel I went to because the next panel I went to

was none other than Steve Bassett. Now look, anybody who, let me, before I get to Steve,

let me say this one of the really cool things about conscious life expo that I noticed.

Everybody's taken photos, lots of people are like just flat out video recording these conferences.

Nobody said shit to anybody. I mean, you could do whatever you want.

Record the whole damn conference, the whole setman arc. If you paid to get in there, they did not care.

They did not care one bit. They just let you roll with this thing and it was kind of cool and

so many people were recording wide swaths of these conferences and these seminars and nobody

said anything to them. By the end of the conference, I realized that what the organizers, organizers

were doing is like in this back hallway, they have these big old stacks. You remember like the old

computers with the CD-ROMs and the DVD-ROM drives, right? When we used to have those as a thing,

they had these big stacks of these computers with multiple CD-DVD-ROM drives.

Burning, you know, they were filming these conferences and they were burning them onto discs

and they were selling the discs of the whole conference to people for like 10 bucks. I mean,

ridiculously cheap and that was one of the coolest things about conscious life expo is it wasn't

like so many of these other like, you know, you go to Saul Foundation? Fuck, good luck, you know,

being able to release anything that you may have filmed there. Good luck even filming anything there.

Some of the stuff I've heard from people who went to the Saul Foundation and this, they just,

nobody cared, just everybody's filming, everybody's sharing, everybody's having a good time,

and yet it's conscious life, so maybe some people were very high. Very good chance of that and that's

okay. That's, you know, that's part of the whole consciousness aspect of things. But to get back to

my point, Steve Bassett was the next workshop that I went to and anybody who knows anything about

Steve has known that this guy has been the most optimistic person out there as far as championing

disclosure, being eminent, you know, coming any day now, that sort of thing. No matter what curveball

he was thrown, Steve Bassett remained optimistic and on the forefront of saying the truth embargo is

disclosure is coming so forth and so on. So you can only imagine the mood in that room, in the

wake of this announcement by the president of the United States, mere hours before Steve Bassett

took the state and that was going to be a big talking point about this Friday, this conferences

on Friday and it actually permeated the whole weekend. Trump's announcement, it was, there was a

palpable renewed sense of optimism. People were genuinely giddy about this whole thing in the room

and I got a picture on my phone and if anybody wants to just let me know, I'll send it to you.

To picture Steve Bassett and Alan Steinfeld just kind of like sort of kind of embracing each

other right before Steve took the stage and I get it. I absolutely get it and Steve's presentation

was really kind of a recap of where we come from from roughly 2017 to that moment in time.

You know, thanking certain people and a more somber moment right at the beginning of Steve's

Steve's workshop, he mentioned Nick Pope and he indicated that time that Nick was on hospice.

I did not know that at the time and I don't know any updates because obviously, you know,

my connection to the world is a little bit limited at the moment. So I'm catching things here and

there from from other people and other things so I don't know. But you know, the whole thing was,

you know, I got to got to listen to it and Steve indicating that Nick was on hospice. That was

certainly that's a bummer to hear that that sort of things. You know, that that was just kind of

it's kind of where where we started with the whole thing and where we were going with that. So

yeah, there was definitely a renewed sense of optimism that we had in that room with Steve

talking about, you know, what was going on with him and just, you know, it was fun stuff. Thank you.

Thank you, Ray. Love you too, buddy. I'm glad I'm glad I got Ray here with me talking about this.

Steve was very optimistic and he went through the whole recap of everything and it's interesting

when you juxtapose Steve against Danny Sheehan's conference, which I'll talk about that happen

on Saturday. But it was no, it was filled with a new renewed sense of optimism and just Steve,

you could see him, you know, build up a little bit and kind of stand a little bit taller in the

wake of this great announcement by the president that they were going to disclose the UFO files. Now

even Steve was obviously and and rightfully so trepidacious to a point where he's basically saying,

you know, let's see what happens. We've heard stuff like this before and Danny was going to point

something out on the next day that I'll get to that when I talk about Danny's conference. All in

all it was it was great to see to hear Steve live and Steve would come in in a couple of other

places and it just to me for somebody who I know how much this means to Steve Bassett and how much

he is championed this for so long and just to see that actual feeling of dittiness in that room.

And I think I'd message like either on Pobbles discord chat or maybe it was Andy's discord chat

that I took a picture and I shared it. The picture of Steve Bassett and Alan Steinfeld together

and I said, yeah, there's definitely a sense of renewed optimism here. It was, I can't help but feel,

I almost wonder what was Steve's presentation going to be had Trump not made that announcement.

Because I off 1,000% think that Steve called an audible and he rightfully should have done that in

the wake of the announcement by Trump. You know, because how are you going to ignore that? You know,

it's happens six, eight hours before you take the stage of one of the biggest announcements in UFO

UAP history. You got to talk about it. And I thought Steve pivoted really well during this whole

workshop and touched on a lot of critical aspects of things and talked about, you know, just where we

where he thought we were going, you know, the UAP DA, the, you know, renewed effort to get that done

how that was going to get done, where this was going to lead the prospects for what sort of records.

You also have to understand though that although this disclosure order came down consolidate,

get the records, so forth and so on. You also have to understand that we're living in a day and

age where you've got the JFK files and everything we went through with that. And the Epstein files and

3.5 million documents, a lot of it heavily redacted. So everybody's basically thinking, yes,

sure, we'll get this stuff. But in what form, what fashion and how badly will it be all carved up,

cut up. So understandably, there's, there's optimism for sure. But at the same time, people are

smart enough to realize this is just the beginning, the beginning salvo and all this. And there's a

long way to go. Friday evening, I got to do the secret technology panel. And this was one that

this was a cheaply, this was only 20 bucks, 20 bucks to get in this thing. And let me read to you the

lineup of who they had, because this panel was fucking phenomenal, man. We had Adam Apollo,

Thomas Winterton from Skinwalker Ranch. We'll talk more about him. Rizwan Burke, Dr. Burke was

here deep facade. I'm going to talk about him a little bit later on. Billy Carson was there. Linda

Molten, how Robert Grant and Jimmy Church was the moderator. Linda stole the show. That's all I can

say. Linda is one of those charismatic for she's 84 years old. She just celebrated her 84th birthday.

Well, this was going on. And, and I went to Linda's and I'm going to talk a lot more about Linda's

conference when I talk about the next day. For 84 years old man, Linda is sharp as a fucking

tack man. She shows no mental decline at all. She is just on it, man. She is sharp. She is well spoken.

She's always been well researched. That has not changed at all. She got the loudest ovations,

you know, to use pro wrestling parlance. She got the biggest pop out of just about anybody

who was on here. And Linda talked a whole lot about quantum tunneling. And how quantum

tunneling was the way in which the extraterrestrials, the unidentified, whatever you want to call them

interdimensional, ET's, whatever you want to come. This is how they are traversing these large,

gigantic gulfs of time and space. And, you know, seconds is through a concept called quantum

tunneling. Deep facade was sitting right next to her the whole time. Deep as it are looking at

her, he's smiling and he's nodding approvingly. And, and, you know, we're going to talk about deep

and just how brilliant he is. But, you know, he was agreeing a lot with what was going on. But the

thing about the secret technology panel is again, this is another panel that I can't help but

feeling that they had to buy necessity pivot to the Donald Trump tweet. And the indication that

we're going to disclose UFO files because the first part of this secret technology panel

was discussing this tweet by Donald Trump. And, you know, and I hate calling it tweets because

one thing I've learned about through this whole situation with X, it is not Twitter anymore.

People need to stop calling it X or Twitter, whichever one. It is not Twitter. Twitter actually gave

a shit about their users at one point. X could care less. But I digress. That's not the point. But

the big thing was that they were talking about the outset of this is what they thought Trump's

post. And I guess we'll just call the tweet because I guess that's the easiest thing to do because

X doesn't have their own cute name for what these posts are other than posts. But in the wake of

Donald's announcement, everybody had their moment to talk about what they thought was going to happen.

Now, unlike Steve Bassett's panel, this panel I thought was much more realistic and down to earth

as to the prospects of this, what it was going to mean, what it might mean for the world,

that sort of thing. So it was a very tempered expectation, very low key, very measured.

Nobody was going to get their hopes up too high. Everybody kept their expectations kind of low.

And we're just going to deal with it and go with it from the way it was going to come to them. And

like I said, Linda really kind of stole the show with her discussion on quantum tunneling.

But everybody had some good stuff to give. And I absolutely love this panel. And again,

I can't help but wonder what was this amazing panel planning to talk about before this curve

ball got thrown at them. And they found themselves talking about potential disclosure, real potential

disclosure. Jimmy Church of course was a moderator. And Jimmy does a really good job with this stuff.

And he kept everything in line. I wanted to hear a little bit more from Billy Carson.

Billy was at the far end of the stage. So he got, you know, he didn't get on there till the very end

a little bit. And I wanted to hear more from him. But Jimmy did a good job about snaking it back

the other direction when they're asking some more questions. You know, of course, Thomas Winter

talking about whatever's going on at Skinwalker Ranch. We'll have more from him in a little bit

talking about that in more detail. But I love this panel because it's such an eclectic mix. You've got

deeper sod at one end who's like 30 years old or something like that. And then you got Linda

Molten Howe who's 84 at the other end. And then you've got everybody in between. You got Dr.

Burke, you got Billy Carson, Robert Grant, who was very much talking about some deep concepts,

Adam Apollo as well. It was all a fascinating discussion and trying to tie in the whole

consciousness aspect of things, which makes sense at the conscious life. But with whatever technology

we're dealing with, how is this stuff all connected? How is it, you know, making how do you

reconcile so many different facets of such seemingly non congruent

ideals and theories and that sort of thing? So I thought the secret technology panel was excellent.

And I wish, you know, I wish I'd recorded this earlier so I could remember more of the finer

details about things. But, you know, there was a lot going on and a lot of things that were being

said that are very familiar to most of us, you know, a lot of us who study this field or

passionate about this field, the UFO, UAP topic. There's a lot of things that you've all heard before

and things like that. It was an excellent panel. Obviously, I think with you've got that many

people involved, right? Where you've got a panel consisting of we got how many people were on this

thing? One, two, three, five, six, seven. And Jimmy Church, the moderator made eight. So when you

got a panel that's that big, it's awfully hard to get detailed on a lot of concepts and theories.

So everybody threw in their two cents. And again, I do think that the whole Donald Trump announcement

earlier that they kind of threw these guys for a loop because they by necessity had to address it.

And whenever they had planned on talking about got scuttled to a certain extent or at least got

put on the back burner to a certain extent and that sort of thing. So that was the Friday seminar.

I got like I said, really good stuff. Rizwan Burke, Steve Bassett and the Secret Technology

panel phenomenal stuff. The Saturday stuff was even better. And it started with the morning session

with Dr. Diane Hennessey Powell. And many of us know who Dr. Powell is. And her work obviously,

her involvement with the telepathy tapes is well documented. I don't know exactly what's going on with

Dr. Powell and Kai Dickens and the telepathy tapes right now. I've read some things that kind of

suggest maybe there was a falling out. Maybe there's some concern over the direction of the telepathy

tapes. I don't really know. But at this thing, Diane brought on to stage two of the autistic kids,

the nonverbal autistic kids for demonstrations and their parents with them.

And you got to do these demonstrations with the spelling boards and to actually be there

and to see these kids do their thing live and in living color was beyond powerful.

Because as a father of my son's on the spectrum, he's a highly functioning autistic.

You know, he doesn't need a whole lot of special anything. But I think he's a little socially

awkward. He doesn't like to talk to too many people. And that's common with a lot of the autistic

kids. Obviously, these are different children because they're nonverbal. But the whole notion of

their telepathy and the two kids involved here and I don't remember their names and I'm sorry about

that. But they seem to be indicating that they had met each other on the hill and anybody who's

listening to the telepathy tapes will immediately know what I'm talking about when I say the hill.

And they had met them there and one of the kids was, he was a little upset with his mom because she

was getting some stuff out of him and he kind of indicated that he thought the other girl was very

pretty and that sort of thing. But it's amazing to see they did demonstrations there of, you know,

the way that the kids are seeing things through the eyes of their parents, like the parents are

looking at something, the kids can't possibly see it. There's no way, you know, you do this thing

and you watch it demonstrated live and you're like, yeah, there that would be awfully hard for them to

fake or to cheat. Was it as controlled in an environment as you would have liked to have seen in a

more clinical structured setting to really prove or disprove the existence of telepathy? No,

it was not that controlled. So I'd say take it with a grain of salt. From the lay person just sitting

there in the audience, I couldn't see any pot. Well, I'm not even really a lay person because of my

training as an attorney. I'm bred to look for lies and to try and discern and distinguish when

people are full of shit. Didn't see anything like that. Saw some really interesting demonstrations of

stuff. Saw one of the kids and his mom was saying that when he's like in the zone and he's vibing,

like they called it vibing on a telepathic level, he would do this to his eye, right? He would do

this and he's looking at his phone the whole time and it's all coping mechanisms in ways of

shutting out all the sensory stuff. But he's like, you know, when he's talking about the girl and

talking about being on the hill, he's doing this the whole time and looking at his phone. So yeah,

it's pretty cool stuff to actually witness live and in color. I absolutely, I can't tell you how much

I love being there for this first panel, listening to Diane Powell, listening to the parents,

and it was awesome. It was just awesome to see kind of like a live demonstration of the

telepathy tapes in action. And again, I say it was the most structured environment that you would

want to see to definitively prove anything. Of course not. You're in a conference room. There's

you know, 50 to 100 people in this in this hallway in this room. You know, you've got to take all

that stuff with a grain of salt and take it all into consideration. But was it still cool to see

this stuff done and to meet two of the kids involved with the telepathy tapes and just kind of feel

there, you know, that they get this wrap about these nonverbal kids and just kind of like

that so many of them for so long and still to this day are just relegated to an afterthought or

just like there's no hope for them. And you look at these kids and you see what they're doing,

that's not the case at all. You can look at them and whether you believe this should or not,

there's a lot going on with these kids. There's a lot happening behind the eyes and in the brain.

And just the way that they are. And when you see it happen in front of you, it really does change

you. There's a experience that I really, I know they they're probably going to do this at contact.

I think Diane will be there as well. I urge anybody going to see this at contact in the desert.

Hopefully they do the same thing because it's unbelievably powerful to witness that who came next

Ross Coltart. Yeah. So Ross came next and, you know,

before Ross, you know, after after Diane's thing, I went into the they had a bistro there. Got

myself some coffee and just a little something to eat. Megan Metic comes in with a no, not her

entourage, but some of her friends. There was no entourage guys. These guys were all very approachable.

She sat right behind me eating something. I did not bother her. You know, I leave that for the

for Bigfoot. Sasquatch can bother Metic. Megan, all she wants because Bigfoot disclosure diaries. I

almost thought about going after say, are your pits really perspiration free? Like Squatch, like

Foot said, but I refrained because I'm a respectful gentleman despite what x thinks in me.

But Ross's presentation was good. And during Ross's presentation,

one of the big complaints I have about the audience, the crowd, the audience goers, the people in

the audience participants at Consciously Expo. One of the complaints I have reared its ugly head

for the first time here. When people ask you if you have questions, have a fucking question,

don't just come up there and make a bunch of statements because you want to hear yourself talk

or you want to try and connect or convince some of these personalities like Ross cold heart that

you've had a valid experience. Or if you're looking for validation, don't go to these guys for that.

Cause the problem was so many people were talking about their own experiences. And Ross a few times

and Thomas Winterton would have to do it the next day. Ross is like, is there a question here? Did

you have a question? So it's awkward for them to do that. One of the gals to to this point. So

Ross talked about his experience and I think it's excellent, right? I think that was a place up

around the Bay Area where they had a very unique and profound experience where I think Jordan

Joe Zach was with them. If I remember this correctly, I'm not sure if Jordan was there as well,

but I think it was Jordan. And he was talking about how they were going to see like a blue hexagon

on the beach. I'm not exactly sure where Esselin is up there. I know it's up in the Bay Area,

but Ross was talking about how there was a group of people in like a hot tub having a very good time.

Whether they were wearing clothes or not, I'm not sure I don't think so. And I think Ross kind

suggested that in Ross if I'm getting that wrong, I'm sorry, but it seemed like you were suggesting that.

But Ross was talking about they saw objects. They saw like blue orbs and they saw things out there

and they got very close to them. And Ross was talking about the same thing that Jake Barber mentioned

that there was this overwhelming feeling of love. And this one girl got offended by this.

Basically called Ross out for saying, I mean, in the way she described it was like Ross was

describing a fucking orgy going on in a hot tub. And these beings interacting with this over-sexualized

sort of prist liaison, whatever the hell was going on. And Ross, to his credit, I give you

who knows for this Ross, he didn't put up that shit. He basically called her out on this stuff and

said, I never said that. I never said that there was something sexual. I felt love. And he's like,

if that doesn't jive with your belief system or what you think it should be, Ross is like, I don't

care. I don't care what you think. And I was like, good for you Ross. And it was a very awkward moment

between these two. Now at the end of this whole thing, Ross tried to smooth things over and he said,

you know, he said, maybe I misunderstood what you were trying to say. And they seemed to have

patched things up. But what Ross doesn't know and what I do know is that out in the hallway at one

of the booths after this whole thing was done. This gal's talking to one of the exhibitors and she's

just going off on Ross about how basically how fake he was. And just like, you know, yeah, he tried

to try to make it up to me blah, blah, blah. I wasn't buying it. I didn't catch all the conversation.

And so don't hold me to exactly what was said. But the general just heard demeanor. The thing she

was saying suggested that while she put up a front like her and Ross had smooth things over,

that was not the case. And she was not buying any of what he was selling. And that's okay. That is

her right to do that. But it does tie into the whole thing. If you if people are going to take

questions from you, have a fucking question. Don't just sit there and talk to hear yourself talk.

Nobody gives a shit. If you've got a genuine experience, great. There's a time in the place to do

that. But not when people like Ross Coltard are saying, do you have any questions for me? Dude,

I and I was tempted. I was tempted to ask him, Ross, where is the big UFO buried? But I did not do

it because I didn't want to piss Ross. Although he may have found it funny. You know, and I think at

the end of this whole thing, he does indicate that at one point a blue hexagon did land or was

positioned near the beach. So if it was Jordan talking about this blue hexagon, it all happened.

But I think the big thing I took away from Ross's workshop and his lecture was just his

shifting towards really looking at the consciousness aspect of things, which makes a lot of sense,

of course, because we're talking about conscious life. And and Ross was very much

in tune with the whole consciousness and taking a bigger interest in that. Now, whether that's

the influence of Jake Barber, I don't know. But if you look at where Ross started last year, 2025,

with the Jake Barber interview and the stuff that Jake had said about the feminine presence

and all that sort of thing and how that kind of translated into where Ross went with this whole

thing, I definitely think you could see his shift towards accepting more of the consciousness

based aspect of things. And I, you know, I think that that's that was kind of cool to see, you know,

and Ross kind of embracing a more a wider view of the world, that sort of thing. So it was a really

good lecture, a really good workshop. You know, we didn't get into a whole lot of stuff. Megan

was acknowledged a little bit. She was sitting in the back and that sort of thing. But all in all,

it was a very solid seminar and workshop and very enjoyable. And it was really cool to see Ross

in that environment. And it was very different. Like last year, I saw rice Ross and Bryce

able speak at contact a live episode of need to know, which turned out to be one of the last ones

that they were that they did. But you know, no one asked nobody asked a lot Ross anything about

Lockheed. No one asked Ross a lot of things that you could have asked him. Like I said, it was too

much people wanting to hear themselves talk, making a statement to Ross and Ross reminding them,

do you have a question? And that's not how it should be. And that's just my opinion on that.

If you're going to come to these things and you're going to ask questions, and please,

really ask a question. You got these guys there, ask a question because you took up the time

that somebody who may have had a real question to ask could have utilized the afternoon Saturday,

afternoon, Danny she and took the stage. And this is one place where I actually did get to ask a

question. But Danny and I told you earlier that Danny's presentation was juxtaposed against Steve.

Now Steve, Bassett was in the audience for this thing. And Danny did a lot of what Steve had done

and recapped kind of where we had come from. But he of course got into the more legal aspect of

things, which appeals to me for obvious reasons. The biggest thing I took away from Danny's presentation,

a couple things. One of them was he looked at the whole Trump announcement. And he brought it home

beautifully. And he put it in perspective beautifully because Danny said what Trump is just

ordered. People forget this that in 2023, UAPDA, everybody thinks UAPDA failed in 2023. Yes and

no, a lot of it got passed. And part of it that got passed was the exact same thing that Trump had

ordered. So this has been on the books since 2023 that these organizations, these agencies were

supposed to start gathering up all of this UFO, UAP files and material. They've already been

ordered to do that. So when Trump goes and makes this tweet that lights the world on fire,

all he did was restate what had already been ordered of these entities and these agencies.

So in the words of Danny, Trump's tweet doesn't mean jack shit. And I think that's critically

important for people to understand. If you are waiting for the deluge of UFO files to come plopping

into your lap as unclassified, declassified, here's the good shit. It's not going to happen,

guys. It's just not going to happen. They've had years now. Now will this expedite? Well,

will President Trump sit there and say, Hey, you guys were told to do this like three fucking years

ago. What's the hold up? Get it in gear. Now, maybe it, maybe you get that. Maybe it accelerates

things. Maybe it gets people to get off their ass and get going on this thing. But the notion that

Trump ordered something that wasn't oriented in existence is false, not out false. And Danny

she made a good point. And he's right because there was a lot in the 2023 UAPDA that talked about

organizing records, gathering records, the process of beginning to declassify records. All that

stuff was in there. People forget that because they just assumed that it all failed. It didn't all

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Hi, this is Alex Cantrowitz. I'm the host of Big Technology podcast, a longtime reporter and an

on-air contributor to CNBC. And if you're like me, you're trying to figure out how artificial

intelligence is changing the business world and our lives. So each week on Big Technology,

I bring on key actors from companies building AI tech and outsiders trying to influence it.

Asking where this is all going, they come from places like Nvidia, Microsoft, Amazon,

and plenty more. So if you want to be smart with your wallet, your career choices,

and meetings with your colleagues and at dinner parties, listen to Big Technology podcast

wherever you get your podcasts. The other big thing is they are working on new legislation and

new UAPDA. There was stuff that Danny had talked about that he had a big bill, like a 58-page bill

that was all marked up and all this sort of stuff. And he was talking about the prospects for

where he thinks things are going to go. And of course, part of that is enhance and increase

whistleblower protection. And we need that. Absolutely need enhance whistleblower protection.

Guys like David Grush, Matthew Brown, Dylan Borland, Jeff Nusateli, people like that need additional

protection. So they're not just out there with, you know, holding their dicks in the wind guys

and hoping for the best. That's not what these guys need. They need true protection. They need true

a true manner by which they can seek recourse, seek redress, get, you know, if they've been retaliated

against some way to address that. Get these guys at job, get them some level of employment, get

their their fucking clearances back. Whatever the case is, we need better whistleblower protection

because what's happened to guys like Matthew, like Dylan, especially those two who both lost their

job. Grush, yes, to a lesser extent, but that's only because Eric Burleson hired him on his staff.

Otherwise, Dave would be shit out of luck too. So we need that. But the bigger thing is that

what I'd add, the question I asked Danny was I said, this document you have that's all marked up.

I said, is there anything in there addressing or seeking to overturn Navy versus Egan? And I've

talked about this case before because this is the case that seems to have instilled in the executive

branches belief that they are the absolute in charge as far as national security clearance and

classification. Ed, we've talked about that previously. I think on the last time we were on an

unidentified history with the thoughts about the James Fox event. And Kirk McConaughey talked about

it. The idea that that is not the case that the executive branch does not hold all that that

this Navy versus Egan has been interpreted in a way that I'll tell you know what Danny had said to

me when I asked the question. So I'll circle back as he said, not only does this address this,

he says, his exact words, this disembowels that case. That's pretty powerful language from Danny

Sheen right there that what they had there was going to disembowel Navy versus Egan, not just

overturn it, but basically eviscerate the damn thing. And he was talking about how Navy versus Egan

there's a lot of stuff that in there that's Dicta that the executive branch latched on to a still.

Now Dicta is not it's something for the unilegal people out there. Dicta is a part of a case

that is not really part of the holding. So it's not the aspect of the case that determines the

outcome. It's it's almost in a lot of ways it's the justice is speaking hypothetically. Hey,

this really didn't come up in this case. But if it did, here's what we're thinking we would do

on this thing. So a lot of times Dicta's hypothetical. It's not part of the official holding,

but it does give you a pretty good indication as to the direction that a court would go in were

it presented with a specific set of facts and circumstances in law. And Danny had indicated that

the executive branch executive branch took the Dicta from Navy versus Egan and ran with it

for all these years. And Joe Spielberger at the hearing back in September was the first one

to include me in to the existence of this case and how you've got to get around that. You've

either got to get the Supreme Court to vacate their prior decision or overturn their prior decision.

And that stuff happens. That stuff happens from time to time. But Danny's doing it the better way

which is approaching it legislatively and gut it that way. Get the legislator to say nope. That's

not what we meant. This is what we meant. That's an incorrect interpretation of that case. So

that's certainly encouraging. So I thought Danny's lecture and workshop was really good. It was

I thought it was a little bit more grounded than Steve's was. Certainly not nearly as optimistic.

You know, people had a day to think about these things. And Steve sent there the right time and

he didn't speak up and kind of say oh no, no, I disagree. So I think, you know, a day later,

he realized that hey, there's some truth that Danny is spouting here. So that was an excellent

excellent seminar and workshop. But the main event Saturday night was Linda molten and I got

to refer to my phone for this because I tell you man, Linda came out firing and she talked a lot

about and I mean, I took a shit ton of pictures of slides and stuff like that. But Linda like I

said, 84 years old hasn't lost a beat. I mean, she's talking all about some, you know, she didn't

talk so much about quantum tunneling on this one. But she did talk about a lot about the

ebens, extraterrestrial biological entities. And she had a picture of a gray being that I don't know.

I mean, I don't know if you guys can see. And probably not. So anyway, there's a picture of a gray

being, but she had so much stuff here that I'm just going to like, you know, talk a little bit

about this stuff like, you know, they're talking about the ebens and their own solar systems,

talking about the universe, talking about Mars did support life at one time. I'm not, I don't

remember exactly where all these documents came from, but there were some cool stuff, you know,

I mean, and they're and going through these, some of these pictures that I took of these slides

you have, everything the alien, here's an interesting one, everything the aliens do on Earth is

sanctioned either formally or informally by our government. So, you know, if you speculate

it about, are there agreements? According to this or there is, however, we have not authorized

the aliens to harm or kill humans. To the best of this alien's knowledge, the aliens have not

purposely killed or harmed any human being. Now that's debatable, right? Crop circles are of course

a form of communication, but to understand them, you first must be totally briefed into the whole

program. Obviously, very few people are. She talked about animal mutilations that are occurring and

performed by the aliens. They wanted to conduct experiments, better animals than humans. I don't

know what that means. They were suggesting that it was a joke, that sort of thing. And then this

is a weird one. The items found, this is what the ebens had told this person. I don't know if it

was Linda or something else. The items found in Thailand have been here since the middle 1980s.

What's that? And I don't think Linda knew what that was. Stuff like that. Really interesting

things. Talked about the biology of the aliens. They have joints like ours. Their blood is green

and chlorophyll based, not chloroform. Their chlorophylls that stuff that the plants use for

respiration, photosynthesis, things like that. They have white blood cells. Other genitals are similar

to ours. They copulate, but without emotion. What fun is that? Skin, blue, gray, gray varying

and shade from light to dark. Their face is flat. Vins are peace loving, an emotional,

and don't understand the need for war. They were very disappointed in the Vietnam war. That sort

of thing. I can only imagine what they're thinking about what's going on in the world right now.

Holy shit. They've got technology advancements since 1949. They've shared a lot of scientific

cultural and historical material that's now sustained in 18 volumes buried somewhere in MJ 12

in the Pentagon. So there's majestic in a tie-in with the Pentagon. Could be DIA. Could be CIA.

I, you know, I mean, I'm not reading everything on here. Why do the tall ones need humanoids if

they have the little three-foot robots and other robots to do their work? So there's a suggestion

that a lot of us is speculated for a while that the grays are not biological, but a form of maybe

synthetic AI. You know, that sort of thing. Let's see what else we've got. I mean, all sorts of

stuff in here that I took pictures of. Einstein himself was supposed to have conversed with the

evenings about space-time physics. You know, a lot of people speculate Einstein was one of them.

Maybe not, but he maybe talked to them about this stuff. Man, yeah, just let's see what else.

There's more. How do you, you slides that I take? Holy shit. They eat mostly vegetables and some

fruits can't digest meat or most fats. Interesting. They can breathe our air. He said the gas composition

of our planet and theirs is not too different. At first, they would breathe from a tank that kind

of simulated the planet, his planet's atmosphere about every hour. But after a while, they kind of

adjusted and evolved to our environment. Here's a big one. Are the e-buns, are forefathers,

are forebearers? And this extraterrestrial said they were. So there you go. Another reason to think

that we came from an alien civilization, alien technology, according to this alien and Linda's

research and however she got this stuff, they are. Looking through here, what else we got? Even's first

came here 15,000 years ago, then 5,000 and 2,000. So they've come here in cycles. They programmed a

human to teach us not to fight to love each other. Was that Christ? And this is a big one because

we've heard this in multiple places that Christ was one of them. Like, if you go back and listen

to the interview I did with Samuel Chong. And Sam was down at conscious life expo as well.

Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to speak to Sam too much. He said hi to him. He was very

busy with Danny and all those guys. I don't know Danny. He's interned for Danny before. So he was tied

up with that. But Sam was there for a while. But when I interviewed Samuel Chong and we talked

about the Theoban prophecy, one of the things we discussed was how speculation that Christ was

one of the Theobans that they taken a lot of their knowledge and stuff and put it into human form.

So he could perform. But I mean at the same time, you know, at some point he left and went to the

desert and then one of the Theobans took his place and that's how they created all these miracles.

This ties into that, indicating that Christ may have been an alien. So here's another theory

about that that has nothing to do with Theoba. But again, Sam at Christ may have been one of them.

On June 18th, 1952, this even died of a mysterious cause. That day he was traveling with the kernel

between Air Force bases for meetings with scientists and officials. When he got on the first plane

and route, he told the kernel he did not feel well, but attributed it to the food he had eaten.

They went to the meeting and returned to Kirtland Air Force base. Okay, and we all know where that is.

He was getting much worse and was taken to a hospital where everyone tried to save his life.

His temperature changed. There was even consideration given to trying to contact his home planet,

to summon help if possible to fix him. The kernel asked the doctors if he was well enough

for him to run an errand. The doctors thought so. When the kernel returned to the hospital,

the even told him he was going to die and he was dead within 15 minutes. The kernel hugged him

before he was gone. So kind of a sad, the dogs are upset. And see that story upset them,

but kind of a sad turn of events at the end of this whole thing with this extraterrestrial being

who imparted a lot of wisdom and a lot of knowledge to I don't know if it's to Linda or to somebody else,

but it's fascinating just to listen to her talk about this secret document. I think these,

I think if I remember, these are like the NJ 12 documents or something related to Majestic 12,

but yeah, it was a fascinating conversation. And like I said, Linda is just so sharp and so on the

ball and just able to really articulate these things. And she believes it with all of her heart.

And I know Linda gets a lot of shit from a lot of people because of the whole Rick Doty nonsense,

but nobody you can count on one hand. The number of researchers who have done as much quality work

and put in the effort and the dedication as Linda molten how and she is absolutely beloved by

everybody who was down there myself included. So I'm thrilled I got to see her speak and

got the experience, you know, 90 minutes with her talking about some of this really cool stuff.

And that kind of brought Saturday to an end. Sunday was a lighter day. I mean, Saturday was

preloaded. Sunday was a lighter day. I went back down. I actually came home Saturday night and

went back down to LA for Sunday's festivities. Deep facade was the first one I saw Sunday. And

deep as somebody who I've got such a tremendous amount of respect for because he's so young and so

smart. And this was actually he had indicated this was the first first speaking gig that he'd done

his first seminar that he'd hosted. And I thought he did a tremendous job. And there's so much about

what deep is talking about that ties into all that quantum mechanics and that quantum physics and

all that sort of stuff that I talked about earlier. I think like the big thing. He's talking about

runaversic resurgence in the theories and the key points. And I did take a lot of shots at this as

well. Consciousness equals matter equals energy. So there was all this similarity about that. But all

three are not separate substances. Different modes of the same super geometric object. This object

does not confine to a single spacetime manifold, but lives in a versatile super super geometric object.

The meta manifold, which I'll talk about in a minute, geometry is not just the backdrop. It is

a substance and dynamic behavior of reality. Key points. Consciousness abeds it beds itself in

the spacetime manifold and acts as a bi directional functor. In other words, consciousness is a geometric

object embedding itself into another geometric object. Getting pretty deep and natural functional

mapping inside category like structures of geometry itself. Remember geometry is an axiomatically

consistent human invention, but we must consider reality as a whole. It's not readily captured by such

axiomatic consistency. So this is a theory that deep has been working on called runaversic

resurgence. And that's kind of like the overview and the key thing based on

comology, which is a mathematical tool used to study the shape and structure of spaces.

And I'll skip through because some of it's so deep, no pun intended. You know, that sort of thing,

that that you can get really lost in this stuff. But you know, meta time, the big bang and the

meta tensor, the big bang is not the origin of time, but a local her her mid is, oh, I can't

pronounce this. Her mid anonymization event, an infinite dimensional meta time define a spacetime

meta tensor, a tensor of tensors acting on entire spacetimes. Time has infinite dimensions.

So I mean, stuff like that. Now with deep sting, this is one where I didn't mind because some

that got people in his attendance for his lecture were clearly of the smarter persuasion. And

they were adding things of the conversation. And that was a little bit different than the people

who didn't really have questions. They were adding some elements of the conversation that

seemed to enhance what was going on. And that was okay. But this was the big time. The big thing

I took away the spacetime manifold. And the spacetime manifold is this interesting looking object

that's almost like, I don't know, it's got like, it's like stars, it's looks like a star with all

these different points on it. And the different points on the star all kind of represent different

universes. So these some of the spacetime manifold reimagined. And he talked about it this way,

our universe universe one, the speed of light is three times 10 to the excuse me, 18 milliseconds,

pranks, constant, math and physics remain objective and consistent. So that in in universe one,

which is like say on the far left side of this manifold, that's what's the physics of universe one.

Then universe two, which you'd say, okay, if universe one, our universe is on the left far left

side of the manifold, let's go to the opposite side, the right side, universe two here, you know,

the speed of light is four times 10 to the 18th, pranks constant is slightly different, math and

physics remain objective and consistent. So there's only a slight variation between universe two

and ours, but enough to make a discernible difference. In universe three, the speed of light is

the same as it is in universe two, pranks constant however is very different, math and physics

remain somewhat objective and somewhat consistent. So pranks constant, of course, one of the

concepts of physics and that sort of thing that determines a lot of things. So in this universe,

that's very different, which is going to buy its very nature, although the speed of light is the

same as in universe two, and pranks constant being very different is going to result in different

physics and different quantum's and that sort of thing. And then you go to universe four where the

speed of light is like zero, I'm not sure what that means, pranks constant, non-existent, math and

physics become purely subjective and inconsistent. So you can only imagine how vastly different

universe four would be from ours, even though on the manifold, they wouldn't seem to be separated

by that much like in the manifold ours is on the far left and universe four D on like on the

south pole of this star shaped multi-dimensional object floating out there. It's, I mean, it's

fascinating to think about the whole multi-versal aspect of things and how that could fit into this whole

thing, but a lot of what deep discussed really got very deep into stuff like that.

That's just a key ingredients for consciousness existing versus proposed. Key takeaway from deep

presentation. Runeversic resurgence theory does not claim to define consciousness metaphysically.

It proposes measurable structural signatures that correlate with systems capable of recursive

boundary preserving self-modeling across, across empirical tests involve integration metrics,

current metrics, perturbation response and self-model updating. So if you understood all that,

you understood more than I did, but I'm sure deep could explain it to her. Explain it to you if

you get a hold of him. The big next steps Runeversic resurgence theory is still young.

Experiments at the edge from muon G2 to neutrino oscillations where tiny deviations might hint

at the metamanifold. Cosmological puzzles, how dark energy and the Hubble tension could be

reframed as law fading effects. The phenomenon, what UAP's psi research and extraordinary human

experiences might look like when treated as structural echoes instead of tabloid curiosities.

That's good. Toy models of real physics define Hamiltonians and explore the mathematics of

Dirac fluids, strange metals and other models from a resurgence perspective, as well as

define more physics, equations and predictions, practical consequences, if consciousness couples

to curvature, can we design experiments or event technologies that measure or harness it?

Lots of stuff to consider and think about there. So yeah, hold on, Secure. Get talking too much

and dry out. But deep presentation was awesome. And definite brainburn. There's no doubt about that.

It's a definite brainburner of a workshop to attend. But I know there's a lot of people out there

who would absolutely love this stuff like Matthew Brown. I know he's somebody who would probably

get into this stuff with his style of writing and how deeply he gets into certain things. I think

UAP girl Jesse Michaels, Rob Jones, all those guys who love this sort of stuff would really have

appreciated what deep was talking about here. Other people as well, some very smart dudes

out there would have loved deep presentation. The afternoon then shifted to Thomas Winterton.

And of course, we know Thomas Winterton from Skinwalker Ranch, one of the main characters in

the secret of Skinwalker Ranch. Thomas, he talked for a little while and then he really opened

things up to questions. But again, this is where people abuse the situation. And this resulted in

me not being able to ask the question. I really wanted to ask because other fuckers got to ask

their questions or disguise them as questions. But it really wasn't a question. Again, it was a

statement and they wanted Thomas to, yeah, I don't know, assimilate with them on some aspect.

And even Thomas had to say his other question here. The big things I took away from Thomas

talking about his history at Skinwalker Ranch. And just talking about the offseason a little bit

and what I really wanted to ask him and I didn't get a chance to do it is, is the phenomenon as

active in the offseason as it is when the cameras are rolling? And this of course goes back to

quantum mechanics a little bit in the whole observation problem that a particle or a wave can

switch to a particle once it's observed. But up until that point, it's Schrodinger's tat,

right? Is the cat in the box? Is it alive? Is it dead? Is it somewhere in between? You don't know

until you actually look at it. Is the phenomenon like that? Is it as active in the offseason when

the cameras aren't rolling? Or is it more performative? Is there a performative aspect to the

phenomenon where it's out there doing things when it knows people are watching when it knows

the cameras are rolling? That'd be a problem if a extra-dimensional or extraterrestrial entity

actually gave two fucks about how it looked on camera or how cool it looked. That'd be disturbing

and obviously a major problem. I didn't get a chance to ask him that. But, you know, Thomas talked

about the seasons that they've had and all the stuff he's learned and the people he's been involved

with and just the progression of things out at the ranch through six seasons. One of the big

questions that got asked of him was why they basically don't just blow up the mesa and get to

the bottom of what's down there. And, you know, I heard that and Thomas' explanation, of course,

made a lot of sense. It's like, you know, killing an ant with a sledgehammer sort of situation.

But it's different than that because we don't know what is in the mesa. Something is there. We

don't know if it's an alien craft, if it's just tunnels, if it's just something natural,

some different sort of structure of the mesa that choose out these metal, you know, things that

are composed of the sort of material that goes on a space shuttle and that sort of thing.

But whatever it is, if you go there and just blow the mesa up to get to this thing,

you're going to destroy the technology with it highly likely. And you just don't do that. You

don't destroy something until you know what you're dealing with. It's like that scene in dumb and

dumb or we don't, you don't kill people. You don't know. You just don't do it.

Sort of thing. Here is like, why would we blow up the mesa and and ruin and destroy any hope of

checking out this technology? You could endanger that. It could be worth, it worth billions,

trillions. It could be worth even more than that for the, for humanity. And the way it can

advance humanity. So that, of course, all makes sense to me. Somebody did ask and I, I know I'd

mention this when I look when I was on X, my mention this, I think I'd send it to tweet to Thomas

Winterton and Brandon Fugel asking about the technology that's been used over in the Giza

pyramids, right? The, the Caffer pyramid and that, the Caffer scans and all that sort of stuff.

And I'm often wondered as well. Well, you know, you get, they've gotten a lot of great results with

lidar and lunas on and that sort of thing, right? And you know, they've got, they've been able to

map this thing and looks like these tunnels under the, under the mesa, so forth and so on.

But if the stuff that they're using in Egypt is real and it's reliable and it can peer

into two kilometers under the plane, the Giza plane and see coiled structures extending, you

know, down into the ground and to the earth. Why couldn't it scan the mesa and give them a better

idea of what's down there? So somebody asked Thomas Winterton this exact question. Have they

thought about reaching out to the guys from Egypt about this? Thomas's response was, quote, stay

tuned, end quote. So there you go. That tells me that season seven of the secret of skin walker

ranch is going to have something on there involving the Egyptian pyramid scanning technology.

And I'm going to be as curious as anybody to see if they come up with anything. Now if they could

scan underneath the Giza planes in Egypt and see down there, but they can't penetrate the mesa,

that's going to be an interesting finding and raises some questions as to why? Why is that? What's

going on? Thomas also talked about the hitchhiker effect quite a bit. The stuff has followed him

home and it does, it does some like, you know, weird sort of stuff where, you know, things will be going

on and the kids will be panicking and they'll be calling their dad, dad, come home, do this, do that.

And then by the time they get, he gets there, everything's calmed down. So the hitchhiker effect is

is pretty real, but I thought Thomas was his, he was just so down to earth and laid back and just

a guy you could just sit there and talk to. And I thought his presentation was awesome and just

kind of getting a sneak peek behind the scenes there at at Skinwalker Ranch. And Thomas talked

about how his whole situation started. He was like managing a hotel there in a flock.

I can't remember the name there of the town that's right next to the Skinwalker Ranses. Roosevelt,

I don't remember, but he was operating a hotel there. And this is before Brandon Fugel had come

out as the owner of Skinwalker Ranch. And they had asked him to come to the ranch to

give them some advice on renovations and things like that after Bigelow had left. And he went out

there and did that and then the next thing, you know, you know, from there, it's all history,

you know, every, from there, it's history. And that's how he ended up at Skinwalker Ranch. But

it's fascinating story. And Thomas is a really well-spoken guy and it was very interesting and

excellent, excellent workshop. Really glad I got to see that. I had to give up seeing Paul Heineck

because it already got Thomas's tickets to see Thomas before I realized Paul's speakers.

Not that it would have changed. I love Paul Heineck. Absolutely, dude. But I just saw him speak

at the UAP summit. And I really wanted to see what Thomas had to say. So love you, Paul. But I still

want to go on with Thomas just, but it's and it's not like all kidding aside, it has nothing to do

with Paul. I'm just such a huge fan of the show, Secret of Skinwalker Ranch. Love that show.

So getting a C behind the scenes, one of the main guys out there, I couldn't pass that up. Like,

if Brandon was there, I would have gone to see him. The last thing I did at conscious life was

the only free workshop I went to. And it was the her tax, JJ and Desiree her tax with Alan Steinfeld.

And this was all about remote viewing. And what can I say about this one? It was fun. It really was

because JJ her tax is, he's a bit of a loose cannon. You know, I'll say that for JJ that he talks.

And the three of them together have really good chemistry. And I don't know how they do it.

Because you could tell that they didn't plan this whole thing out. Who's going to say what when

they just kind of went with stream of consciousness. And Alan would jump in for a little while.

Desiree would jump in for a little while. JJ would jump in and it kind of seemingly came out

of nowhere like, wait, where are we going with this thing? And you know, even at the end when they

were trying to get people to leave, JJ was just ignoring the people are telling him, we got to go,

we got to switch the room over from the next people, all that sort of stuff. But all that stuff

notwithstanding, they did a lot of remote viewing exercises. And I'd never not really tried it that

often. But it's interesting to go through the kind of the process. And for me, if I'm actually

trying to visualize something, I don't see anything. But like they did this one thing that a video.

And somebody had taken like a metal ball and hidden it. And there was like a row of 12 little

canisters. So somebody took this metal ball, they hit it in one of the canisters. When they

rolled the video, I zeroed in on one of the canisters, just immediately boom, that one. And it turned

out at the end of the video, that's where the ball was, which blew my fucking mind. I was like, whoa,

okay. They had like four other experiments that they did. And on all of those, they tried to

visualize what I was seeing and it didn't work for anything. Then they had like something where

they gave some options as to whether the next picture we're going to see was a person, a cartoon,

or like a place. And like the work cartoon jumped into my mind immediately. And that's what it was.

So it's a fascinating experiment. You learn a lot. It was more, it was a very practical workshop

where they talked about various concepts of remote viewing and things like that for about

20 to 30 minutes. And then the rest of it was like hands on kind of like actually engaging in

remote viewing exercises. So it was pretty cool. I enjoyed it. And that's kind of that was the

end of conscious life expo. So overall, really an awesome event. I have blown away by the quality

of the speakers, the quality of the event on Saturday. They was a problem with on the second floor

where the ballrooms are like the California ballroom, the La Jolla ballroom Laguna.

Everything is funneled down this one hallway. And everybody was just crammed in there. And they

weren't organizing it well as to which line went where. And so you just everybody in this one hallway

and you can't move. And to me, it was like being back at WrestleMania in Las Vegas last year on

that that walkway going across the strip where you just crammed together. Nobody can move. You can

barely breathe. That was a big problem. They got that better Sunday. They actually had signs out

there and it was much more organized on Sunday and not a big problem. You know, could they be in a

bigger venue? Probably they had enough people for that. But like I said, man, I was just genuinely

blown away by the quality of the speakers by the quality of the expo. This was contact light but not

light by that much. And it was a really, really awesome event fully planned on going back to conscious

life expo next year where I expect the 2027 expo will be wild and I expect them to have just as

many great speakers next year as this year. So that kind of does it for the conscious life expo recap

for 2026. It was a good event, a great event. And I'm glad, really, really glad. I got a chance to

go. Very affordable. And if you're in the LA area, by all means go next year. But that's going to

kind of do it for this. I mean, beyond that, obviously lots of news going on. We talked about the

Donald Trump announcement. That's dominating the headlines. Of course, the war in Iran and whatever

is going on there is notable and it should be and it should be at the forefront. But there's so

much happening on the UAP side of things we've got the kernel. I think the kernel missing in New

Mexico, McCastlin, which is yeah, you got to wonder about what's going on there. Somebody with

that much knowledge about UAPs and that sort of thing. But yeah, there's a lot of news happening

on the UAP side of the fence and you know, things involving NASA, things involving arrow arrow

had some workshop last year, which I've read some stuff about that. In my opinion on that is like

arrow, these guys act like they've never read a new fork, new fork report and UFO RC. How are

you pronounce it? I don't know who attended this workshop. I'm not sure it really matters. But

well, a lot of people are starting to wonder where are the files that we're supposed to have

declassified. That sort of thing. There's been nothing further going on on that sort of thing. So

yeah, lots lots of information, lots of stuff happening. By all means, I say I tell people

go check out secoactivo, Pavel Ibarra's show. I think he's the best that there is going right now

as far as news feeds and that sort of thing and just keeping you in the loop with what's happening.

Love Pavel show and especially with my situation being what it is and not being able to access the

news as readily as I used to be able to. That's that's kind of the thing. So hey, Mike, good to see you,

man. Um, about to finish up this show. Hopefully catch a replay. It was a good one because talking

about conscious life, Expo, excellent event. Hey, but for Mike, since you're on here, I got

this thing came if I turn it up, it's probably going to go off. But I'll just show. So remember

the UAP summit that UAP detector that everybody got excited about. Well, there you go. I got mine.

Came yesterday and my brilliant dumbass at midnight turns this thing on, powers this thing up

and this thing starts beeping and my wife's like, what the fuck is that? It's weird, man,

within like 10 minutes of this thing powering up, it comes up with a magnetic anomaly and a

gravitational anomaly. The magnetic one is probably because it's probably a magnet somewhere

in the office. I just don't know if that one I can explain away. The gravity anomaly, I'm not sure

what that was. And I got a look into that because as soon as it, it is, it's very, it's cool, Mike,

because it's just, it's, it's very small and it looks like, I mean, like a smoke detector,

almost sort of thing. I mean, that's, that's how big. But yeah, it went off and I don't know what

the gravity anomaly was, but I immediately went outside, took this thing outside and started

looking up at the sky. I didn't see anything. So I think it probably needs some fine tuning. But,

yeah, between that, I got, I got this EMF electromagnetic frequency detector as well. So,

I told my wife is like, you know, Rufus on Amazon, their AI was saying, well, you've got

technology there that for a few hundred bucks is probably equivalent of a thousand dollars

in other places. And there is some good tech that UAP detectors got some really good tech under

the hood. And I know Mike, you went to, you attended UAP summits, you know what I'm talking about.

And yeah, I'll, I'll let you guys know. I told science Bob McGuire over on Blue Sky, which is

where I'm lurking now a lot more often for obvious reasons that I'd let them know.

Yeah, I don't know what that alert was last night, but I'm going to have to figure that one out

because that was kind of interesting. But yeah, that's, yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Got to pull it

off the table before I'm out of bed at least. I do need to worry about gravity. Yeah, at my age,

falling out of bed wouldn't be a good idea. Mike, you're right. So I need to be careful about that.

That could be a falls take out a lot of people in my, well, not older than me, obviously, but

that sort of thing. Yeah, keep your eyes open and lots of news and lots of things happening

on the UAP side of the fence. And I, you know, I mean, Tim Phillips has been in the news lately,

doing stuff, talking to Christopher Sharp, doing all I don't know if that interviews come out yet.

But yeah, there's no shortage of activity going on the UAP side of things.

That's going to do it for this episode of Unidentified History. Hope you guys enjoyed the recap

of conscious 5x, but really good event. I will, as I mentioned, we'll be going to contact

from the desert. I've got one day booked. I'm going to get tickets for at least one or two more days

to go to contact as well. I really wish that they would have released the schedule. That'd be

helpful guys. So we could kind of plan this a little bit better. But I hear a lot of people are

going to contact this year. I hear I know. Pobbles going over there, watching Gerb's latest video,

him, Rob, I think Kirk's going to Curtis is going over there. So lots of people are heading over

to the desert this year. So hopefully we can all get together and shoot the shit and have a few

drinks and have some fun. And maybe by then I'll figure out how this UAP detector works for the

sky watching because I did get an interesting video last year that I'm not really sure what it is.

But we'll see. That's the one that my wife's looking at me right now like, huh? It's like,

yeah, I've shown you the one that only showed up in my vision. So she's, she's nodding. But

anyway, that's going to do it for this episode of Unidentified History. If you want to check me out

on social media, obviously you can't go to X anymore. You guys all know about that. But you can go

to Blue Sky and it's the same. It's at Attitude Ag and whatever suffix Blue Sky uses to distinguish

itself from whatever it is. But I am over there on Blue Sky. Let's be honest, not a lot of people

are over there for. That's just the way it is. But I am over there. But obviously the YouTube channel

is where I'm going to be more active doing unidentified history. Game gone wrong is on height. It's now

because we finished that. But I think we're looking at bringing the big five project back this week

on the pro wrestling side of things just in time for WrestleMania season. But yeah, YouTube,

the attitude of regressions YouTube channel is the place to be. And of course the website

attitude of aggression.com. Basically everything is funneling through there. They just renewed the

site today. So I don't have to worry about that. If anything changes on the X front, I'll let you

guys know. And if you guys really want to have fun, go tag at X support and hashtag reinstate at

Attitude Ag. Let's see if we can get a grassroots campaign going. I don't think they'll care. But

that's going to do it for this episode of unidentified history. Hope you guys enjoyed it. We'll be

back soon. At this point, given the situation, it's time to do the Kenneth Arnold siding. Whether

anybody joins us for that or not, don't know anymore. But I think it's time to get to that because

that's been put off long enough. So that's going to do it for this week or this episode. We'll be

back in touch soon with more unidentified history. You guys stay diligent, stay vigilant, stay

observant. There's all sorts of stuff out there. My detectors telling me that something's in

the house. So we'll see what happens. That's going to do it for this time around. You guys take care

of it.

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