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I think plus mine is kind of telling you a lot.

Very steps back.

exclamation point plus minus statistics.

It's a standard thousand true.

Are you a believer in that statistics?

You tell me. I know it's good to be a plus.

It's warriors plus minus.

Everybody, welcome to a war here.

At a pretty low point episode of warriors plus minus.

I'm here with Nick Ferdell.

Tim Kawakame here, warriors lose.

And the aftermath of the war is losing it over time.

130 to 124 to the bulls who are tanking.

Last night they lost the Salt Lake City to the jazz who are ultra tanking.

The warriors are not officially tanking but they are accidentally tanking.

We've all said that they can't get out of the plan.

This isn't tanking. This is just bad basketball.

Warriors are up eight in this one with 131 left after past Spencer is at three.

And they still end up having to go to overtime.

They blow it in many other ways.

Nick Ferdell, what's your headline from this one?

I cannot believe that they lost both of these games.

Tim, when we walked out of that locker room in Salt Lake last night,

there was a feeling of, all right, well, we didn't play our best.

Utah hit a bunch of shots.

You play better defense and you find a way to get back on track.

And for them to really kind of melt down in those last couple of moments.

L.J. Cryer missed one of those free throws.

Drain one.

Got his hand caught and made the foul that sent it into overtime.

The warriors just look tired.

They look under man.

But you just can't be losing at these two teams.

They are terrible.

They are almost trying to lose.

I might just laugh.

The warriors talk.

Yeah.

Oh my god.

Utah.

Chicago at least has, you know, Bicella is giddy.

Those are talented guys.

Utah.

Oh my gosh.

I was sitting there at that game going, is this really going to happen?

I mean, they're pulling their guys down the stretch.

Yeah.

I thought my city entire fourth quarter.

You came back at the end.

And we're sitting there like, okay, there's no way.

And they lost.

But you think, all right, the bulls are coming to town.

At the end, in overtime, the warriors look just exhausted.

They were tired.

But the fact that it ever got to that point, I think what's hitting them is,

it's the end of a long year.

They're playing without a ton of talent.

And the hardest part is that when that starts to happen and you realize,

and you hit on the key part, they can't really move.

It's like 8, 9, 10.

Okay.

Is it a road playing game, a starter?

Or could they get it back here?

It just feels like they're destined for where they're going.

And the only real question at this point, at least for me,

is, is stuff going to come back or not?

That is it.

Because if he does, they have a chance to get out of the plan

and get into a first round series.

If he doesn't, then we're just counting off the games left in the regular series.

It's always clear.

But this current team cannot do anything.

Can do anything significant.

Probably can't win a playing game.

Maybe, maybe, maybe.

They could win a playoff game.

It's Portland.

You know, you play Portland.

But beyond that,

with stuff, as we always say, they have a shot.

Maybe they play better.

Maybe poor Zingus is into it by then.

His legs kind of rounding in his shape.

But clearly, that record score scratch, as you mentioned himself,

everybody came.

Like, if he has his legs, that's a dunk.

It probably should have been a dunk anyway.

He just stops.

Like, he just couldn't complete the play.

That wasn't the fourth quarter, I believe.

All sorts of things.

This entire team.

Santos has played a lot of minutes more than ever.

I thought he looked dead.

You know, he made a couple plays at the end.

You had the tweet, and you were dead on.

When G was running up and down the floor.

And then he would stop, and he was,

you know, holding his knees like, man, oh man,

he's played a ton of minutes.

And he plays with all heart.

He just wiped out.

Yeah.

If he doesn't have energy, it's pretty tough.

Exactly.

And he's gutting it out.

He's gutting it out.

I thought Pajamski looks sluggish.

Again, these guys is a back to back.

They're playing a lot of minutes.

It's natural.

But this is where they are.

This is who they are.

You know, LJ Cryer is giving us some good minutes.

Pat Spencer was very good tonight.

But how far are you going to go when you've got LJ Cryer being

your free throw guy at the end?

You've got Pat Spencer having to guide the team at the end?

You've got G-Santa.

These are two way players, or G-League guys at times.

These are, you know, guys that have played well for the Warriors.

But let's just say what they are.

They're not stars.

Certainly they're not even, you know, NBA role players

are having been.

Although I think Cryer's got a shot at it.

I like that shot.

But it's almost like a, okay, shut it down mentally until stuff gets back

because they can't get lower than 10, right?

It's like, this is, they can play like this for the rest of the net.

I guess theoretically could be pass it.

Then I don't think they will be.

And then when an if stuff is back, then it changes.

At least in, you know, in the mentality of it, maybe not the pure reality

if you get through and you're going to end up playing the spurs,

the nuggets or Oklahoma City in the first round.

I don't think it looks very good for the Warriors at any shape.

But I think we're kind of seeing the reality hitting in these last two games.

No, they played really good to beat Houston.

No question.

And that's without all their guys.

And they played very solidly in Oklahoma City.

These Oklahoma City having half its roster up.

But it's still Oklahoma City.

I just think it's the grind of it, right?

The mental wear and tear.

They don't know what they can get out of porzinga still.

But let's talk about porzinga.

He did talk afterwards.

I didn't, it wasn't there for all of it.

But very matter of fact, you know, you could tell he feels relatively positive

about playing in this game.

Where do you think he is with the mentally and physically?

I think physically to him, he said he can feel his wing getting up.

And so long as he keeps feeling better and playing more minutes,

that's all a good sign.

I would tell you anecdotally what still concerns me is that in these moments

where we've talked to Chris stops after the game, he's beyond it.

Yeah.

And at least for me, you tell me you've covered the league war

and I have, I can't remember guys doing that that often after games.

Now, in fairness to him, he hasn't played a lot of periods.

So I'm sure he is exhausted.

But you wonder given the pot's condition, given everything that's happened

leading up to that, is it tied to that?

Or is it just tied to, he's coming off an illness?

He's not feeling great.

There's so much unknown in what's happening with Chris stops night to night.

The best sign for him and for the Warriors is that he keeps going out there.

So now he can say whatever he'd like, you want to see him play Friday.

You want him to be able to take another step.

I'd say he looked all right, but what worries me is he still looks a step slow.

And again, I'm not sure if that's just because he hadn't played a lot

or if this is kind of a new normal for where his game is at.

Again, he can answer all these questions, just keep playing, play at a high level.

But the more I watch, the more I think two things.

If he really were healthy, he would absolutely fit on this team.

He's a hell of a talented player, but especially with Steph,

if we ever do see that, and Tim, you were standing next to me,

and you heard him say, I want to play with him.

Who wouldn't?

Who wouldn't want to play with Steph?

But mentally, I feel like all of this is kind of weighing on him.

Because he knows whether it's the Warriors or somebody else.

He's got to prove to the league that he can stay healthy, stay out there and play at a high level.

And right now, we're seeing just the glimpse of the player.

He can be, you wonder if he can be that player.

Again, though, because of all the health challenges that he's gone through.

Four block shots, which I thought was very notable.

I think what do you have?

17 points, five of 13 from the field, two of six from three point.

You know, some activity there.

But again, there's some, I mean, they're going right at him.

So that's where the block shots were.

But also, if you do get the block shots,

Bozellus is hard for anybody to stop.

And they clearly didn't want to get 40.

How many?

41 tonight.

And that's a lot.

Gidee went right through them.

Triple double.

They had troubles with a lot of different balls players.

But this is again, you know, you see what you see?

They got what they got.

They should have won this game.

Al Horford with a tough foul.

Get the three, the three point foul.

With the vine a minute left.

Really knocked down that lead.

Tramon with a foul.

As I mentioned, I did not love the foul up three with eight seconds or whatever it was.

He was like, I understand.

I asked her about it and said, like, if you sit there, let's wait till under five,

then you then you really have the chance of making the three point foul.

But man, with nine seconds left,

you got too many chances going back and forth.

And yes, as I do say, you could miss three throws too.

Like, this is a real thing, LJ Cryer.

Probably a very good free throw shooter.

Mrs. One of, you know, what he made the first two.

And then he gets another foul and he misses the first.

Makes a second way of however that work.

It's just going to happen.

And then you get in the course you give up the Tramon foul.

All these things that had to happen again in regulation.

But once they got in regulation, they were kind of tired.

Let's just say what fans are going to also look at this box score.

And if they watch the fourth quarter, they're going to know.

Tramon was minus 19, did not play most of the fourth quarter.

As Kurt noted, he maybe was unfairly threw him in there for defensive positions.

But man, you better play Tramon at the end of the game.

But just defensive positions.

Not a great game for Tramon.

I could not.

You know, he'd been on a roll there,

guarding all the top players.

Kauai.

Kevin.

Kevin.

Kevin.

And Shay.

And it had been looking nice.

And Busellis was very tough.

He didn't guard him all the time.

But it was very tough.

Busellis was tough on everybody.

And Brandon Peschemski, the guy that boys fans love.

After going over four from the free throw line last night.

As I pointed out, it's all like which are just brutal over four.

I'll just say it.

He's a good player.

It was a brutal over four.

He's a 75% free thrower, which is not good for a guard.

And tonight, minus 20.

And did not play most of the fourth quarter when they go with Spencer.

And they'll L.J.

Cryer, frankly.

And it was probably obviously a very understandable occur.

We go with those guards over over Peschemski.

You can't not play him.

He's a good player.

But man, sometimes his weaknesses are really, really, really obvious.

And Tim, to everything you just said,

the problem for pods is these are the type of games he's

last two nights that he should dominate.

Great point.

And I say this to somebody who likes his games.

I think that he's gotten an unfair shake from at least the portion

of the fan base because they got so tied up in the things he said.

They didn't watch sometimes the things he did on the floor.

And I think he does have talent.

I think that's uneniable.

The problem is that you want to see him continue to stay,

take steps improving night to night.

And what we haven't seen from pods enough, especially this year,

is consistency.

These two games against the jazz and the bowls with all the injuries

that the Warriors have had and continue to pile up.

He should be dominated.

And he's just not.

And I was very curious after that game against the jazz where he did

my missiles for free.

There was how he would respond tonight.

And he didn't play very well.

And you just worry because this is a young player who has so

much confidence outwardly.

He believes in his game and in himself.

And in these last two nights, you just watch and go on what?

What's going on?

So I think it is a serious at least a little bit of a red flag

that in these moments where he should be taking over sometimes

and should be offensively getting his own game going and setting

up everybody else.

He didn't even play that late.

And that is a concern for a team that at least the coaching staff

believes in him and Tim, you and I've talked about this a lot

for the last couple of months.

Pods is working for a new deal, too.

Yep.

Coming up on our rookie extension, they don't have to give it to him.

You know, I think they'll negotiate, but you can do the

comminga and take it to another year.

And then he's a risk of refrigeration after your five.

Then that always works well.

That always.

That could be.

I think they'll.

I think they'll try to resign on.

But yeah, what's that number?

And it's a great point.

I hadn't really thought of it this way.

But like you said, if he's a guy in the end, if he's a like

look what Josh Gidey is doing, give him the ball is going to

do stuff.

It wasn't great, but he's going to dominate a game like this.

For instance, he's not that guy.

And I think it's more and more.

And I don't think words fans would be shocked to hear this.

But I think he's a guy who wants to be that.

And he's a complimentary player.

He's not a lead player.

And that's a big difference in game.

It's a big difference in competitive level.

It's a big difference in salary.

Yeah.

And I think that's what we're seeing now.

He will want more money than that.

He will not want 12 million a year, whatever that number is.

But that's about where he's playing.

Maybe they'll have to pay him more because he's young.

And you still have hopes for him.

But I don't see him as much more than a non taxpayer mid level.

And maybe less than that, frankly, which is like 15.

Could be way off on that.

I know other teams like him and we know the Warriors like him.

But this is the perfect way to frame it, Nick.

Like you said, these are the kind of games he has to be one of the best players on the floor.

He has to be.

And he wasn't on the floor.

That's a problem.

You're not even one of the best 10 on the floor because you weren't on the floor.

You had not had been an owner because Pat Spencer had earned it over you.

Or L.J. Cryer had earned it over you.

You know, D. Anthony Melton, not playing that.

That's a warning sign.

They had hoped.

They had planned.

They played him limited minutes last night.

And he gained that he would have helped if he was playing.

When we walked out of that locker room in Salt Lake City,

the Anthony Melton had a huge grin on his face.

When I asked him what he was looking forward to and being able to play both sets of the back to back

because it had been so long.

I mean, he was genuinely excited.

And I asked Kerr and Kerr said, look, he had a little bit of a hamstring, a groin issue.

We wanted to be cautious.

It really didn't do so well leading into the game.

Next game is obviously Friday.

There's time.

But it in so many ways it ties into the pause conversation because you're sitting there talking about a young player

because the Anthony Melton saw in 27 who wants to get paid this summer.

And Melton, he's going to decline the player off.

I would think so.

He's minimum.

Yeah, right.

He's earned the right to get more money, but he wants to get paid as he should.

These are the kind of moments where you have to prove to the league.

Forget the Warriors.

You have to prove to the league that you can play on both nights of the back to back.

You can stay healthy and you can play at a high level when you're out there.

And for as well as he's played in certain moments in time,

there are way too many other times whether it was sat out with a little bit of an injury.

He just didn't follow up one good game with another.

Melton played very well in stretches, but at least in this last month,

he's had a couple good games and he's had a couple games where he just disappeared.

Tonight, he had a game where physically he wasn't able to go out there.

There are just, there are a lot of warning signs and...

It's they have what three more back to backs the rest of the season.

I think it's very, very unlikely that he would be playing both games in any back to backs.

And going into whatever the postseason is, he might have to miss a game.

And if they play a seven game series, I don't know that he's playing seven games of it.

But you can say that about a lot of.

Like, what's Steph going to do?

And is that what Moses Moody, Horford, even Dremont,

all these questions tick out just how vulnerable they are and they're showing it.

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Melton has the injury question.

You're a team right now, just a standard, you know, regular team.

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If it's me,

I would still probably take Melton because I think he can help you

in so many different ways.

With pods, Tim, I think he's got a lot of talent,

but it's untapped still consistency-wise.

You know, it's, uh, Kurt loves to point to the re-bounding.

It's been much better over the last month.

We know he can score, but consistently he hasn't always been able to do that.

We brought up Pat Spencer a couple times.

Go back to December.

Why was Pat Spencer getting some of Pod's minutes when he was on that hot street?

It was because Pat Spencer was able to get the offense more in rhythm

and get the ball moving around.

Pod wants to do it all on his own.

He wants to get to the rim.

He wants to take it.

He gets stuck so much more.

And pump fake, pump fake.

And the possession just kind of deflates.

And you're not able to get that offense where you want.

So if I'm sitting here watching what's going on this year,

while I still don't trust Melton health-wise to stay out there night after night after night,

I think he is a sure bet for a team that wants to make a push in games that matter.

The problem for Melton is the back to back issue.

And Tim, again, you know, everybody loves to jump on pods.

Melton's consistency hasn't been that great either over the last few weeks.

So you've said it, we've all said it, but this is a flawed team.

And what's happened is all these flaws that we're looking at right now in real time

are things that don't leave in the front office have to consider going into the summer like it.

They like the team, but are you really sure about how many pieces that they have?

I think they've got to be that they're going to try to keep Hashem's game.

These are first, he's don't leave his first round.

First, first, if it's me, I ask the question, I'll take the anti-Melton.

I mean, I just don't, I just think he does worse.

I've even when he goes for for 13, he's trying to do stuff, right?

He's trying to get in the lane and finish with his left hand.

And Pajamsi does not use his right hand.

Does not, if he just knew how to finish with his right hand or could, his game would be,

or even could pass with his right hand.

He can't pass with his right hand.

He has to turn his body to pass it with his left.

He doesn't dribble with his right hand.

I don't think you're exactly what you're saying I'm thinking about now.

And Tim, we said in that press conference room and Steve Kerr was talking about what line-ups he likes to put Melton in.

In other words, which players does he like to fit with the most?

Steve Kerr looked at us and I always remember this and he goes all of them.

He had a trust level in Melton early on from all the different ways he could impact the game.

And I mean, as far as trust goes, nobody has stood behind Pajamsi more than Steve Kerr.

No one.

Coming from his rookie season.

All the way, the whole way.

But the feeling he has with Melton on the floor just makes it seem like there is a higher bar.

Just the Melton thing is in what in a non-steffed universe he actually does more things.

Possibly in a steffed universe, which they still are in when he's healthy.

Paj probably does a lot of things.

But they've got to get out of it.

That's why the dream on thing is more and more obvious that he's not playing a lot of fourth quarters like he didn't play tonight.

That's why GP2, I mean, he's playing really well.

He's playing really well.

They need him.

But a six foot three power forward is tough to keep going with who doesn't shoot.

It's tough.

Listen, he follows Miss Layups.

Nobody knows that the Warriors Miss Layups more than GP2 because he's always following them.

And he's don't get a back in, but it's really valuable.

On a short brighter note.

One of my new favorite things when GP2 does rebound them all and stuff it on is the itch of the hand.

When you go back to the bench, there is not a single thing if we are not counting a Steph Flurry and getting everybody grabbed up.

That gets the bench happier.

Yes.

Then when Gary dunks on somebody and does the head itch and then you cut away to the bench and you got six other guys going, oh yeah.

Here we go.

Number 30 leading the way as you know.

It just, you know, I don't think Warriors fans are in the mood to hear false positivity.

But you know, I don't want to just be negative, but these are two rough games going to get an update on Steph tomorrow.

It's not going to be.

He's going to play Friday, right?

That's it's very unlikely.

Probably going to be is going to miss another week or so at the least at the least hasn't been back on the court hasn't been doing basketball activities as far as we know.

Certainly hasn't played five on five live.

So at least, at least a week or more of this probably, probably more than a week.

I was going to say it would be a surprise at this point with the way things are going.

If he came back on any part of that East Coast point.

And that so now you've cut out at least another 10, 12 days.

And then Tim, you just mentioned that he's got to then ramp up because he really hasn't been able to do all that much.

So if things aren't great for this team and it's and it ties into what we started on tonight with the conversation, which is when you see what's happening.

The hardest part is there's not that much that you can get excited about if you're a Warriors fan because they can't fall that far.

And while they still are playing hard, unless they played damn near perfectly, even now against these tanking teams, they just don't have enough.

And just waiting for Steph Curry to be back and we don't know when that's going to be now Moody who's out tonight post was out tonight.

I don't know how much you would have played.

I would call the movie in Utah.

And he said that he injured his hand against Darius Garland got caught up.

And he says his risk got bent back at MRI said that he had a spring.

But as he said, it's a shooting.

So until he can start shooting, he really can't you can't start the clock on exactly when he's going to be back out there.

But as we've seen, Moses Moody Tim is a a difference maker for this group right now.

And without him out there, there just aren't a lot of ways for them to go, especially on the offensive end.

When the bull, we know, listen, Buzellis is a really talented young player.

Giddy is very talented, but they're not a good team.

When the bulls are just head and shoulders more talented than you, given understanding that the Warriors are injured.

But they don't have the matchup mentioned.

I don't want everyone to go crazy.

John Kaminga can match up with that.

They don't have them.

Now, Atlanta doesn't have them now either.

He's missed another game.

He's now played exactly the same amount of games as trade is for Zing.

And we just take a moment.

You and I have spent so much time on this, but Tim, it is now three to three.

Three to three.

And when Kaminga got rolling and was beating the hell out of the wizards,

the world was coming to an end.

And for Zing, while he looks a little bit better, hasn't shown that much.

But they've now each played three games.

It should be noted.

We will note it.

The Hawks are winning, and the Warriors are not.

But it's not like they try to come in these the ultimate superstar for all time.

But he could do some of these things that the Warriors can't do right now.

On that happy note, you got anything else, Nick?

You got a game Friday.

We might hear some relatively interesting things about Steph tomorrow.

I don't think he's going to be back very soon.

Probably get Moody back at some point relatively soon.

We'll see if poor Zing is going to play Friday.

We'll see where he is.

But other than that, it's pretty out there.

It's hard for anyone to say anything other than this is a dark time,

a tough time for the Warriors.

He's just waiting for Steph Curry to be back.

He was out talking to a bunch of whatever, season ticket holders, whatever,

sounded upbeat.

But he's not going to sound downbeat.

He's going to say he knows exactly how he needs to sound when he needs to do it.

You've been around him.

Mark is as long as anybody.

The only thing I would say is watching these games unfold still night to night,

where I would give the Warriors credit.

I think you were so spot on because the Warriors fans don't want to hear,

oh, well, things could happen.

And they don't want false happiness.

This team is still playing as hard as it can.

Be Houston and Houston.

They are trying.

They are just not talented enough.

And when you have that and you have these limitations on the roster,

they should have won both of these games.

They were mental errors.

But it wasn't for a lack of effort.

And I think that is a balance that needs to be remembered as this team is playing

so under man that there are just moments where who plays hard as you want.

You don't have the talent that you need to close games.

And when you don't have that repeatedly, a lot of teams would just roll over and say,

screw it.

And we'll see what happens on this East Coast wing because it could get real ugly.

But up until this point, I have not gotten the sense at all that this team is just going

to roll over and say, we've had enough.

The Bright Side by Nick Ferdell.

Appreciate that.

All right, everybody.

That's the show for today.

We'll be back to you next week.

Thank you.