Baiting Laws & Moose Charges

0:00y'all hear me out because this is important. Free food, free live music, free gear. Should I say anything else? One thing that we always talk about is building community around hunting and the outdoors. And here's a chance to do exactly that. We are excited to be part of the kickoff to deer season, customer appreciation event, at Ag Up Equipment in Canton, Mississippi on Tuesday, September 15. And we would love for you to come and spend the afternoon with us. Look, this is not just a sales pitch. This is just a flat out great event. There will be outdoor companies, land management folks, plenty of giveaways, sports talk, Mississippi will be broadcasting live, and they're even giving out free hamburgers right at the beginning of the event at 530 and live music from a great 90s country cover band. It's one of those bands that if you don't know the words to the songs, it's going to make me question how you were raised. Look, whether you're getting ready for deer season, looking for ideas on how to improve your property, or you just like talking hunting with like-minded people, you'll fit right in. So come by, check our hands, introduce yourself,

1:01and let's talk about hunting. We love meeting listeners and we'd really love to enjoy spending some time with y'all. So we'll see you on Tuesday, September 15th at Ag Up Equipment in Canton, Mississippi. Welcome to the Speak the Language podcast presented by Ag Up Equipment. I'm Lake Pickle, and in this show, my trusty co-host Jordan Blissett and myself are going to do our very best to entertain you a lot and educate you a little. I think that's the right balance anyway. Look, if you like the outdoors, conservation, hunting, wildlife, anything, and everything revolving land in the natural world, along with a good hunting story every now and then, we are in the right place. Now, time for today's show. September the 14th. It's really the 15th. By the time they hear it, it will be the 15th. Today's the day. Talking about tomorrow is starting at 3pm.

2:04We will be in Canton, Mississippi. Canton, Mississippi. At the Ag Up store hanging out with all our friends. 160 Calhoun Commerce Park Drive, Canton, Mississippi, 39046. Not hard. It is. What are? It's easy to see from the interstate. Oh, yeah. If you're coming up 55 or down 55, you will see this. In between Canton and Gluckstatt, on the west side of the interstate. Yeah. Get off at the Sowl Road, exit I believe. I do know from history most of folks listen to this in the morning time. So if you're here in this morning, yeah. It is September the 15th and you're like, hot dog. We got plans for this afternoon. You do now. You go eat. You have burgers? I think I cook in hamburgers. I think I cook in hamburgers. Yeah. There's live music. There's all kinds of free stuff. Getty coolers I've heard of or rifle I've heard of. I'm giving away some on-x memberships.

3:04I got a whole box of open season merch. Yeah. Oh, got a stuff. Dear season kickoff, customer appreciation event. I can't guarantee you this, but I feel like most everybody comes there. It's probably going to leave with something. Something. I don't know what. That's like thousands of people show up. The on-x membership thing with me is going to be first come first serve. People come up. I'm just I'm a hand them out till I don't have any more left. Okay. That's the way that's going to get me on. Sure. Thank you. If you get there in time. Well, last week you promised you were going velvet hunting. What happened? I didn't. I didn't go. I didn't go. I didn't go. I had one morning to go because I was in Springdale, Arkansas this past week. I want to hear about this event. You were right. We'll get to that. We'll get to that. But my velvet hunt got quickly thwarted. And it was it, man. I had I didn't have one like,

4:05man, I'm going to shoot this deer, but I had one coming through a spot enough where he was walking in front of a camera. And I don't have this. I don't have a bait out or anything. I don't have anything out. And on this camera, I have moved. I just noticed some travel through a spot and I put a camera there. And there were two bucks that come through that spot a couple of times in day light hours that I would have very willingly shot. Yeah. And I don't know. Probably the week of velvet season, it just stopped. Like I hadn't seen them in forever. So I got them on that pile. So I got them on that bait pile. Which is where your head always goes. Right. And so I was already losing momentum on, but I was like, man, I'm going to go try it. Like I'll go try it. Well, Thursday night, because it opened on Friday, right? Yeah. Thursday night, my friend Anthony Ballard, the black bear biologist, hits me up and says,

5:06Hey, I got a bear in a trap. You want to come help? And I never say no to that. And so we were up until I got home at 2am, Thursday night from from helping wrangle that bear. And I just did not have it in me to try that morning. And then I could have gone that I just did I didn't have it in me, man. Where were y'all at with the bear? We were in, well, County and Claverin County, I want to say. It's kind of a stronghold. Yeah. I think we're in high as being a stronghold. Same like their multiplying. It was very much in like bear central. Like it wasn't like in a spot where he was surprised the bear was. Like he had a lot of history on that place. And like very good. Like when we showed up there, we met the landowner and his buddy out there. And they were all keyed up ready to go get this bear in the trap. Yeah. Yeah. You take a picture with it. I did. You could fool people and go, yeah, got one on. Well, the thing is is like the picture that we have,

6:09like the bear has, I get the Anthony's technology has changed. When I first started going with him, like my first job on the first bear workup I ever did, he gave me a stethoscope, like a doctor checks your heartbeat. Yeah. Because when he hits him with his tranquilizer, I mean, there's obviously been a lot of research around it. But what they do is they check vitals every few minutes to make sure the temperature's not getting too hot and that they're breathing at a good rate and that their heart's beating at a good rate. So my first job at a bear workup was I took a stethoscope every two minutes. So I think it was. And I'd go down there and I'd count the heart rate. I'd get beats per minute. Now he has this thing. He clips, I mean, it's just like a, it's like a little plastic clip. He clips on the bear's tongue while it's sedated. Okay. And it can be like, put on your finger. Yeah, exactly. And it gets heart rate, it gets O2 levels in the blood. It gets all the vitals. So I'm sitting at the picture of the bear. It's me and Anthony and Josh and we all have, you know, but the bear has all this stuff hooked to it.

7:11So it'd be got a wire running out of his mouth. Yeah, it'd be hard to see. Why, hold on. Yeah, you're supposed you could AI it. You know, at that point, you don't even need a bear. Yeah, true, true. But no, that was, I mean, I just don't turn down opportunities to do that. So, yeah, I did not valve it, huh? So you know, with the apologize. With the new capabilities of AI, I no longer even need to hunt. Yeah, like I want to kill me. I'll 200 inch deer every year. I'm going to have petro proofs of it. They didn't really has, man. I don't know about you. I mean, I got, I mean, I think I get somebody send me an AI something every day. I do them all the time, but like just joking. I've never like tried to do something like, yeah, this is real. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, it does, it is very entertaining just to play with it. Yeah. So, but I think the number you are, then, more you enjoy it. So you probably don't enjoy it at all, but I love it.

8:15It depends. When it's like clearly AI, I can find it entertaining. If someone's trying to hoodwink somebody, that's when I get annoyed with it. Yeah. But if it's like very clearly, this is fake, I can get a kick out of it. I think like, it's getting to the point now where you actually have to study something. Things to figure out if it is AI. Somebody, I can't imagine what it's going to look like in two years. Like, you won't be able to believe anything. You facts. Yeah. I mean, because there's been some, I forgive what it was, but something legitimately fooled me. It wasn't that long ago. And it was like, it was like the, I watched a video and the first time I watched it through, I was like, oh my gosh. And then it was like the second or third time I watched it, it was a short video. I was like, wait a second. That's not real. Yeah. It took me, it took me a couple times to catch it. But anyway, did you valve it, huh? Whether you're ready for it or not, hunting season is pretty much here. I mean, think about it. Dove opener is next weekend. We've got some early goose and teal seasons right around the corner.

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11:20but it does me when it's a million degrees outside. If I don't have anything daylighting on camera, I get just especially early season, like if they're not coming in consistently, the chances of them just showing up that day are slim to nine. So I didn't have anything on camera I wanted to shoot. And plus like three or four of my cameras, I put out, I actually put up three of them last week in an area that I've had success in before. And they took like three pictures and quit. So now to the point like, okay, I can't stand cameras that aren't being consistently like sending me pictures and acting right. So I'm finna swap brands. Yeah. This, I mean, you pay so much money. I think my cell phone and Jesse, if you're listening to this, is I'm just exaggerating. I think my cell camera bill, like, is like $200 for my cameras. Yeah. Like, they're just not working right.

12:24Like, I'm finna cancel this, may I some tricellant nails? Man, I tell you what bothers me to know end and to your point. And I don't want to, I don't want to blow anyone out. So I don't want to like call a brand name, but I know what brand you were using. Yeah. And this is something that happens. I don't know how you would ever put a stop to it. But that particular company was good, like, had a good reputation. Yeah. I've had them now. This is my third or fourth season to run this brand truck. I completely swapped from a different company that we had used for a long time. That just completely crapped the bed on the reliability of them. And I swapped this other company that I saw great reviews out of and talked to a lot of people that were using them and had been using them. I had zero complaints. Complaints in like the last year. I don't know what happened. So I'm changed, but they are not working like issues. So I know. And maybe I'm wrong here.

13:25It's just like, I don't... The reason I'm hesitant to call out brands on here is because you and I have both been attached to a brand before that got sold to a different, you know, big buyer. And then what you're left with is you have people still working at that brand that are doing their best, but there's just things that are out of their control. You know what I mean? So I have sympathy for that. However, I know the brand of trail camera that you're talking about got bought, like the company got bought. And now you are not... You are not... You are far from being the first person that I've heard of that's having issues with these trail cameras. And that whole world, man, of these... I don't know if there's like laws involved that you could change, but these private equity groups coming in and buying these brands that have good products and then just turning them into a shell of what they were. It's like it's a short-term gain situation for all these companies.

14:27They buy these profitable companies, you know. And if you're in business, I mean, that is your ultimate goal. You need to build a business up and, you know, turn it profitable. You're not running a business for just a hobby. Too much stress involved for all that and risk. Well, I mean, I don't blame the owner of the company to sell out to whoever's willing to pay them the most money for it, like I said, or that's what's built America. That's what has made America great by being able to have that opportunity. But at the same time, some of these companies come in and buy out these smaller businesses. Well, their immediate goal is to make as much money on their investment as possible. So what do they do? They go in and cut all the fat or streamlined the system. And it may work for a year or two years or three years. But eventually, those details that they just fired that were keeping things together

15:29falls apart and then you have a terrible product or you have terrible service or whatever it might be. And then it's like they've got to use out of it. What do you do with it? And then I guess they sell it for Penny's own daughter because they've already made a bunch of money off their investment and move on to the next thing. Yeah. The thing that's interesting to me, man, is I've always, and I'm not, I'm far from being a business guy. But I remember here in kind of this term all the time, like kind of what you were just describing as like, man, they'll buy these businesses, they'll make all these cuts, so make it look really good on paper, and then they'll sell it. Yeah. Well, my question is, is like, if it's all these, and there's, I'm sure there's some reason, there's some reason that somebody's making money. But if that is so known of a model that they're just making a business quote, look good on paper, when in reality, you have a product in your case, a trail camera, a bunch of that aren't functioning right anymore. How has nobody figured that out? Yeah. You know what I mean? This hard to figure that out,

16:30because I mean, strictly from a business perspective, I mean, even a real estate deal, a similar situation, I mean, you go and look at the property and you know, look at overbest, you can't do all the do diligence you can. But if the not, say the properties worth $5,000 an acre, and they've got it listed at $4,000 an acre, it makes sense to do, even though you may end up down the road figure out like, okay, this, there was a reason why this property is listed below what is worth. And the same way with a company in my mind. Yeah. Yeah. Because you can only, you can only look at what you know, and you know, when it comes to a business, that's for sale, you look at their, you look at their numbers and see if they're profitable and see if that makes sense for that price or asking. Yeah. Yeah, no doubt. So well, I say all that to say, so far, I have been third, and this isn't like we don't, we don't get advertisement from these, this is not a like a sponsor plug.

17:30I have been thoroughly impressed with Multree. I'm switching there. Yeah. Multree has done very good for me. And frankly, I don't even know who owns them. I don't know if they've had me owned or not, but I know I've been happy with it. Oh, I think Pradco possible. I know at one time Pradco had something to do with Multree because when I was at Malsi Oak, they had part of their umbrella, but I think I mean, my day lens with Multree are very, very small. Like I haven't had much day lens with them. I have talked to him on the phone a couple of their people before. And seems like the same people that were there at the beginning are still there now for the most part from what I understand. But that's where I'm going, Multree. I've been very impressed with them. I was actually on the fence between Multree and other company when I switched three years ago. And the reason I didn't go with Multree was because they, I don't remember what it was. I think I had a little bit better deal on the other brand and went that direction all based off of reviews

18:38and stuff from my friends. They were doing good. Yeah. That was a very popular trail. And I had Z-Roc appliance for two years. It's just like now, I'm wasting my time and money putting these things in the woods. Yeah. Does that, the thing that you want to talk about, like a pendulum swing, and that we can actually, we can talk about this because I find it fascinating. But when did, when's the first time you remember hearing about a cellular trail camera? Man, right. They looked this up. Probably a little over 10 years ago now. Yeah. I mean, it was right when, it's probably like 2015 when I first started, like, let's say, hearing about them. It probably wasn't 2017 or 18, four I had one. History trail camera brand. But some are around, there's some that offered a cellular category as far back as 2012,

19:41where it got popular with like every, like where you were seeing it mass produced, was around 2017. So pretty close now. But the thing is, and so just around the 10 year, give or take time frame. Do you know, I mean, I know a few folks that like still run the standard, you got to go in and switch the SD card out because they just have those cameras still. But these days like overall, if someone is quote, taking their deer hunting seriously, you have cellular trail cameras. There's a heck of a lot of vanages to have in them. Oh, 100%. It's just, it's just how quickly that has changed. Yeah. I know how quickly that has changed. I cannot imagine if I, well, for one, I wouldn't have the amount of cameras I have in the woods right now if they were all SD card cameras. Sure. But if I just say I did, it would take me three days to run all the cards. Because I've got them scattered across a couple hundred miles. Yeah. Yeah. The other thing about it is,

20:41man, it's talking about like, like this whole velvet situation, right? Now, if the bear thing would have happened, I wouldn't have gone that the next morning anyway because I'd have been exhausted. But I probably would have gone that afternoon because I'd have been like, I ain't got a clue what's coming through there. Yeah. You know, like, you just been going up and I didn't go because the camera died off, which at some point I'm like, I don't know if that's good or not. I mean, I will say they have made hunting way more efficient. But at the same time, there's pros and cons to everything. At the same time, like, how many books are you missing because you don't have him on camera, even though he's walking 50 yards from where your camera is and you don't know it. And you don't go hunt the calls of that. So, for example, I'd kind of gotten, you know, this as well. So, when it would have been towards the tail end of my time at Primo's, I don't even remember what they were called, but Bushnell and Primo's were sister companies. And so we were always running

21:42Bushnell, Sailor, Trail Cameras. And they had, I forget the name of the model, but they had this sale camera come out that they were like raven about. So, you're cool, I think. Might be right. Something like that. But it was like there, it was out of, it was one that they were really proud of. And granted, it was a good camera. Yeah. I remember the battery life was really impressive. But because they were trying to get a bunch of marketing assets and a bunch of field testing done, we were running those Sailor Trail Cameras like crazy. Like it was nonstop of like putting more cameras out, checking those cameras every day. And frankly, I just got sick of it. So, I hadn't really run cameras until I got my 60 acres. That's the first time I've run cameras since then. I was just kind of like, I'm just going to go hunt. If you remember, like, the old cotton mouth days like nonstop, or those SD card cameras, it would take, it would take us a full day. Like doing from 9 o'clock in the morning to 2 o'clock in the afternoon, going from camera to camera, to camera to camera, swapping cars, making sure batteries. And then we'd go hunting. And then

22:48that night, we'd start looking at pictures. And we would look at pictures for three to four hours. So, what Jordan is painting, like that was a talk about the difference between Sail cameras and SD card cameras. That was a, that was somebody's job, or at least one or two people's job every day. It was like, who's checking cameras today? And you'd have to go around and you'd have to check battery levels. You'd have to pull cards and switch cards out. But we had, I don't know how many Polaris side by side we had, but every Polaris Ranger had batteries in there and a box full SD cards. And somebody was, and we had different sections. We were running every day. But I mean, that took hours. I remember I was in charge of like ordering batteries and SD cards and stuff there for a couple of years. Yeah. And I would, I think we were spending like a thousand dollars on my phone batteries. I believe it. It was crazy. But can you imagine how different that would have been had we had Sailor Trail cameras? Oh, well. I don't know what we would have done with our hands. Yeah. We'd have found something else to do. Cause I mean, that's, that was every day. Every day,

23:50somebody we were running cameras somewhere and you had to. Cause it was 10,000 acres. And we probably had close to 50 to 60 cameras out on when it was really, when we really full bore, go in there and do your season. But I mean, at the other scheme of things, that's why we were very consistent about killing digger too. Yeah. We did the work on that side. It makes a, makes a big difference. Pulling into this kind of, I mean, it doesn't go hand in hand with cameras, but when we're on the topic of deer, we might as well talk about this hot piece of news. I say hot as in like, it's a hot topic and it's also pretty fresh. So have you heard, yeah, you've heard about it. The proposed law with supplemental feeding here in Mississippi. Yes, sir. So I'm going to read over it quickly so everyone can be on the same page. And I'm going to give credit where it's due. Pierce Young, a guy that has been on this show works for Mississippi Department, Mississippi Department of Wildlife Fisheries and Parks. Pierce's, Pierce does a really good job

24:54on his Facebook page that he runs on like putting some of these issues or news pieces on out there to the public where they can be like. And plus why is that with his opinion on it? He does, but also like, like you can go what I've got here pulled up is you could also go and look on the website and see the actual proposed law. But then you have to read through a bunch of legal jargon and it's just frankly, it's a lot harder to understand. It's like section A, subsection one, two, three, you know, so we're going to read the the easier to comprehend version. So the rule change, the word stationary. And again, this is not in place yet. This is what is being proposed. Okay, the proposed rule change, the word stationary is being removed from the wording in front of spin cast feeders. This would allow evenly spreading feed for quote feed for deer with a mechanical spin cast such as in open areas, food plots, roads, trails, boundary lines, duck holes, etc. anytime of year. The change

26:01does not remove the use of stationary feeders. So this is additive, but it would be encouraged to use broadcasting feed instead of stationary feeders in an attempt to not concentrate animals for disease purposes. You also still cannot pile feed on the ground by pouring it out. How would this fit in with other Mississippi feeding and baiting laws? Mississippi code 49733, it is unlawful to hunt, trap or kill any wild bird or wild animal with any kind of eight or bait. There's Mississippi code statute. The statute then creates several exceptions including may take deer with the use of supplemental feeding on private lands only. The rule provides feed may only be provided from above the ground covered feeders or spin cast feeders. So they're basically, I mean, if you go read the law as it is, what they're talking about is just removing the word stationary spin cast feeders. Yeah, what they're proposing is you being able to either buy one of those feeders

27:05that go on the front of your buggy or back of it, just like a seed spreader. Yeah. And being able to just spread it out. Yeah. You're going to try that big word. In summary. This is it. In summary. Honestly, my opinion go ahead. So this is this is he someone it up. So peer says, in summary, in Mississippi, you cannot hunt any wildlife with the aid of bait, but you can supplementally feed deer. You can hunt deer over supplemental feed with the rule change. The spin cast feeder would not have to be stationary to feed deer anytime of the year. You cannot hunt turkeys or migratory birds ducks does a setter with the aid of supplemental feed. You cannot supplementally feed deer and CWD zones. You can use supplemental feed to bait new since animals such as wildhogs. I think I see I don't want to speak for him. What I get out of this, what I'm picking up or what I think is being put down is I'm seeing they're they're taking the stationary out so they could

28:09broadcast spread supplemental feed so it doesn't concentrate the deer. But some concern is is there some serious gray area because what he put in here like you could you could take your spin cast feeder and drive over where you have a duck hunt spot. Anyway, you could line a road with chilled corn during the spring for deer. You know, anyway, your thoughts. I mean, for this actually a lot of change goes. I don't know why this wasn't put in the original package for supplemental feeding deer. What do you mean? The whole being able to spread it out of a full-weather deal. Like, it makes no difference to me. I don't think versus a feeder versus spreading it out over a bigger area. It makes no difference to me. Now, here's what I think.

29:10I personally think that this is not this is me talking as like anyone that's followed along with me. Like, typically if I have a history, I typically side with the side of the agency. Because I you know, just biology that's if I if I lean one direction that's usually the direction. This is not this is me taking any sort of by wildlife biology. You know, enthusiasts had off and I'm just being a hunter. To me, I think they should either allow baiting or not. Yeah. One or the other. And and and quit doing all this gray area stuff. Right. Because listen now. Now, let me be clear. I'm not doing this. But you everybody that listens to this podcast knows like right now the laws in Mississippi are right now stationary, spend cast feeder or a covered trough. People are putting bait on the ground. Yeah. People are putting it on the ground. Because the law, I mean, it's just a little it doesn't

30:14doesn't make any sense to me. It's so great. It's it's it's so very gray. And again, even with the way this is written, it is I'm not I'm not this is not me speaking for pierced at all. This is my issues with it. It is so very gray. Yeah. So because now like I've said this, I've vocalized it in several places. One of the one of my main issues with supplemented feeding laws is it has bled into spring turkey season. I'll be time. People have corn out for deer, but people are shooting turkeys with the aid of corn. They just they are. And so like now, unless you put some really black and white guidelines in there, people are going to be lining their roads for deer. But all the sudden they're going to be shooting turkeys in those roads. So I don't know what. Well, the the the for me, if they're going to do this, which I said, I'm going to be clear. I don't really care if it's coming out of a stationary feeder or a transportable

31:16feeder. Yeah. Well, whatever. But if you're going to do it, if you're going to make a law out of it, make a cutoff date where January 31st or whatever February 15th or whatever whenever deer season closes in certain parts of state. Yeah. Like no more corn, no more broadcasting feed after that date. Yeah. And the fact that people are quote unquote feeding their deer corn in March is BS. I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that corn is not going to put horns on that deer's head. I can't make them grow bigger. That's facts. And so that's my problem. Like make a cutoff date on feeding corn. Like I have no teachers on we live in a free world. If you want to feed corn, you want to bait whatever if that's if that's what you enjoy about hunting and it's legal do it. Yeah. That's

32:17my stance on it. And but the fact that the law of the state you can fit supplemental feed deer certain times of year. And I think there is something in there about protein. In the original law, there might be I don't see it in here anyway. That's me to you need some hard cutoff dates on it would not hurt my feelings at all unless you are bona fide feeding a protein regimen. Like no feeding during springtime. Yeah. I just don't man. They need to make a decision because this is like I said, this is where I get frustrated. And I'll be clear here. Look, this is I have I have killed deer bucks and does with the aid of bait when legal. I have done it. I have killed bucks and does without the aid of bait. Where I'm at in my life right now, I don't care to bait deer. I personally don't don't care for it. However, I realize that it is legal in the state that we live in right now in a couple other states. And like you said, if somebody wants to do that,

33:19where it's legal, go and do it. That's your business, not mine. However, this gray area language that this allows in my opinion is not helping anybody. So like the way if they want to take the stationary part out of it where they can run it where they can, you know, broadcast it over food plot, whatever. That's fine. But put some stipulations in there to like want like the it should be no brainer as far as I'm concerned that you should not be able to feed any sort of grain during the spring. That's completely assing to allow that during during in my opinion. The the other part of it is like like what is kind of outlined in here. Someone could under the the way this is written. Someone could go run their spin cast feeder right next to a duck hole or right next to a duck field. Yeah, feed a levy or something. Yeah, feed a like for goodness sakes like the gray area language is just not helping. Put it more clear, you know, and to either do it or don't,

34:21all this dance and stuff is where a lot of this frustration comes from. But so yeah, that's been proposed right now. The the public this this is the last week for public comment. Yeah, so this the so as of this Friday. What's this Friday going to be as of Friday September 18th. That is the last day for public comment on this rule. And again, personally, like I'm not going to do it, but that's my prerogative. But if they make it legal for folks to be able to drive around and spin cast feeder and use that for the deer hunting, that's fine. Just make it more black and white so people can actually understand and not get confused by this gray language. Gonna take a quick break here, folks, just to remind you that right now, and ag up equipment, you can own the John Deere compact tractor that you have always wanted needed or maybe a combination of both with 0% financing on all one through four series machines. Visit your local ag up location or check them out online

35:23at ag up.com. Ag up equipment and John Deere built for what's next. Any more thoughts? No, I'm covered. Okay, moving on. Oh, this is more fun stuff. You sent me this. Oh, yeah, this is from NBC Montana. We're going to hit play. Is this a or not? No, this is real. Okay, because I'm a guy. Am I going to see it inside? No, you're just out. You're just out. You're just out. What do y'all are listening to here? Is a cow moose that is decided she does not like people with dogs. Get back. Yeah. And she is coming for this lady. I'm laughing because nobody got hurt. And try to stop her a little dog. What is that? She hit it with the bear spray.

36:26She's about to get herself with that bear spray. This cow moose is trying to stop all her palm or anion. See this right here? Let me do it for this woman right here. This is the kind of woman that will look used dead in the face and say that her dogs listen well because looks just they're hotter than screaming that moose them dogs ain't caring at all. They're just standing there. Yeah, this was this was two weeks ago. This was September the first. This is what I'm going to go based off of her one the location to her behavior. Three her accent. She is not from Montana. I mean just to guess. But thankfully everybody's safe. The dogs are safe. But it's good reminder to one. Remember that if you're if you're a southerner like us that travels to the American West in places like here where you have like most just wandering about they're not pets and you're not in a zoo.

37:33And you need to have a dog that listens well. Thankfully nobody got hurt. Yeah, nobody nobody got that. That was funny. No, it's not funny but it's funny. It's a little bit funny. There's Pierce's thing. Oh, I got a real kick out of this. So this is from I'll say it on here. This is from a Facebook group and I granted this is from a long time ago. This is someone sent this to me. And so I've had this for a while. I've just I've just forgotten multiple times to talk about it. So this this this happened like this calendar year but it's not recent but it doesn't doesn't matter. This is from a Facebook group about hog hunters. Okay. And so what we have here and I'll put this screenshot up on the video so folks can see. But what we have here is you can see it's like a collage of all these pictures. You can see a hog trap. You can see like a like a wildlife like a state wildlife agency truck. And you can see bags of whole corn. And what you

38:36basically what you the story that's getting laid out to you is that some wildlife agency is trapping pigs. Yeah. And the post says government is trapping and removing wild hogs from our public hunting areas. W I think that's supposed to say WTF. Why aren't they opening up the areas to dog hunting or allowing us to hunt over bait or at night instead of want and wastefulness. It's just disappointing and annoying. Picks taking taking taking today. Government trapping killing our hogs resources on public lands and nobody seems to care about it. Okay. I guess this guy is very passionate about his piece. He's a very passionate hog hunter but I've never I mean if the area now granted someone just sent me this so and I can't even tell what I can't the pictures to pixelated I can't tell what state it's in. Can you I just as US government. Yeah. And I've seen people like be upset

39:36because some areas of public aren't open to dog hunting hogs or something like that but I've never seen someone be like I can't believe they're killing these hogs. They're wasting our wild resources. I wish there were more people in a world like this guy or we may not have a hog problem. Yeah. Yeah he must get after it whoever the fellow is but yeah this man is upset that the wildlife agency is removing hogs from an area. I think it goes from saying but maybe maybe this guy made a legitimate may legitimately not know that hogs are destructive and not native but who knows. I get maybe he's just really fired up about hog hunting. I don't know. I wish I could get that way. I might get about hogs. Think about it as you could hunt on me around. I just can't I've told somebody this before like guys that I'm not knocking at it at all. You probably know some. Maybe you can go in there and like trophy hogs like pick out this big boat. But like guys that travel great

40:41distances especially like from up north to come down and shoot hogs. But those same guys look at us crazy when we show up after traveling a long way to hunt turkeys. Different strokes, different folks. I know where to go from here. Fella by the name Jeremy sent us this email this week. I'm going to read this. Good afternoon. First and foremost your shows have become a must on my commute to work. I'm constantly checking for new episodes and I truly believe the content you put out is a perfect representation of what makes the outdoor industry so special. Appreciate that Jeremy. I couldn't help but reflect when Jordan mentioned his first big boy purchase of Matthew's switchback. That hit home for me because the switchback was my first real bow too. I bought mine as a freshman in high school and what started as a purchase back then became so much more than that. I still shoot that same bow today. I've walked into bow shops more times than I could count. Looked at the newest Matthews sitting on the rack and thought about bringing one home. I love the technology

41:42and appreciate how far bows and the hunting industry have come. But every time I find myself putting that new bow back down and being content with what I have. Four sets of strings later it still shoots great. I still take two or three doves with it every year. In a world where we're constantly being encouraged to upgrade, replace and buy the newest version of everything. There's something incredibly satisfying about holding on to the piece, the one piece of equipment that started at all. That bow represents more to me than technology ever could. Some things become outdated, some things become obsolete, but some things become part of who you are. Best wishes, Jeremy. That's a cool story. Yeah, and there was a couple. Man Jeremy must be exact same age because I bought when I was a freshman. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of folks like to the old prices right archery edition that we played. Yeah. So I mean, I had the idea to do more of that. I don't have any for this week, but we'll do some more of that going for it because it really is interesting. So why were on that subject?

42:46I've kind of had the hanker in the bottom of deer rifle because I'm just calls. You need one? I don't need one, but I just kind of been wanting to kind of like get a show enough really good rifle. Yeah. And my goodness, how the price is going up on those two. Oh really? Yeah. Yeah. I really want like a either a 6.5 PRC or a 7 millimeter PRC, one of the other. Dude. And I was looking at those, they're a brand called Fierce. I don't know Fierce. They're kind of like Christian arm, tactical rifle. Yeah. My goodness. They're expensive. So I'll give you a quick story of my first dealings with a 7 millimeter PRC. They're bad. So I went on that cow elk hunt last year. Yeah. And you you probably more advanced than I am. I have never like I've known people have interrets on a scope and you range it and you get your dope or whatever you call it and you dial

43:51the scope up and you go, I've known that's a thing. I've never learned it. Yeah. Until last year. Because all the rifle hunting I do primarily is around here and like a 200 yard shots about all you're ever going to have to do. You know, you just don't know places. And you know what I mean. Most of us trash it has sensors. Sure. You can shoot three miles down. Sure. So I get this cow elk hunt opportunity. And the guy that told me he's like, you better be prepared for a 500 yard shot. And I'm like, I've never shot 500 yards in my life. So I get this 7 millimeter PRC that somebody lent me. It's not I don't own the gun. I have since given it back. But I got the gun and he showed me and he talk about technology, right? He has an app on his phone with everything that exact gun, the scope and the scope, the rifle, the exact bullet. And what you do is you pull up this vortex range finder and you boot you range a target and it says this. I put that yardage into the app. And then

44:56it says your windage and your elevation, it you know, it'll say 4.2 MOA for each one. And you just pick that scope. You dial it to whatever and then you just hold that on. And I'm like, oh my gosh. Yeah. It's I rolled up to that cow elk hunt last year. Crawl up because it was I had there was an open spot. But I crawl up to this spot. These Lover Oaks range this the biggest cow I could find that was standing close to broadside range or 411 yards. I'm dial it up wait for it to turn all the way broadside. Hold it dead on her shoulder. Dead. Yeah. And I was and 7 millimeter PRC. I mean, just I mean I shot her one time. She ran five yards and then just tipped over. Yeah. I was so impressed with that gun and the technology. My first experience in that type of situation was a pronghorn like four years ago. And I was burying my boss's rifle because I brought mine. But I'm like, I'm good 250 yards or so. I'm good. And I know. He's going to shoot mine. Yeah. Anyway, we did

46:04stalk on a pronghorn. And there's 438 yards. Yeah. And we ranged it. He clicked a scope on it. He's all right. Just aimed at it all. I was like, are you sure? Yeah. All right. It's why here we go. Yeah. It's it is wild. Because I was in the same situation. I was talking the guy that been the guy who lent me the gun. I was telling about the honey said, what are you taking? I was like, one, three, oh, eight. And he was like, like your dear rifle. He's like the one that I've seen. I'm like, yeah, he's like, let's go. Don't need to have turrets on it. I'm like, yeah. But, you know, and he's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like it took I all the sudden, and I'm not knocking it. Like I know those like rifle shooting competitions are a completely different world. But like all the sudden, I was like, long distance shooting is not nearly as difficult as I thought it was when you have all that technology. I've gone the opposite direction in deer rifles though and what I mean is, and I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not about

47:08to talk about Africa again. But because of the Africa influence, I've gotten all this interest in old rifles. Yeah. So I want to get this, I haven't gotten one Lacey. But it, it, it's interested me to find like a old Winchester Model 70, like an old deer rifle. I haven't done it yet. But that's the only like deer rifle aspirations I currently have. This is get like an old rifle and, you know, but I don't know, I don't know if you get those for a decent price or not. You should get up musket. Yeah, like a flat block. Yeah. That's what you should do. Yeah. 58 caliber. That's what we'll do next week. We'll do prices right. Hunting edition. We'll follow it from the black powder musket days up until now to where you can get an app on your phone that tells you what to dial your scope to. I've got your go at it, my house. What the, that you need to shoot a deer with this year. What gun? I don't remember what brand it is. But it's a black powder musler.

48:13Gosh. It's got like a 60 inch barrel all it. That's a 58 caliber. I killed deer with it. It can be done. Is it one of those where it explodes and then it shoots? No, it is the cap. Okay. But I mean, it's just like the old, old like long rifle type musket. Where's some moccasins when you shoot it? Yeah. I mean, it's like they don't pay the type. But that's what you need to do. I'm gonna let you bar it. You get it shooting. It's 58 caliber now. So it's got some like 400 grain bullets together. Oh gosh. I mean, it's a big baddie when she goes out. I need to because otherwise, I even had the thought pass through my head that I was gonna shoot a deer with my 375. And then I was like, why would I do that? I still kind of want to. I kind of want to eat deer. Yeah. I wish you could eat to high quarters. It would blow it to pieces. Yeah. But anyway, yeah, that's what I got.

49:15Yeah. I think that covers everything. Y'all ride in. If you want to hear likes, go deer hunting with the 58 caliber musler. No, but I do appreciate people have been emailing in a lot and I really appreciate it. So yeah, making sure I'm not leaving anything. Talked about the hog folks who talked about the law, proposed change. We talked about, yeah, that's it. And you're, we had any talk about you going to Ocon. I leave on the wind. You leave it like tomorrow. Yeah, tomorrow. But when you're here in this podcast, I will be leaving tomorrow. Yeah. Are you excited? I'm freaking pumped. You're going to call, right? Yeah. And but may she to cow? I may she to cow. It depends on what everybody gets done. I mean, I would love to shoot a cow. But it's yeah, I'm a I'm a call runner and knife operator on this deal. I don't have a tag. I'll be fine either way. She is my call. Me tomorrow. I was like, hey, I got a elk hunt lined up. Do you want to call and skin? You'd be like, yep.

50:18If I can call, I'm coming. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm very excited. I want to talk about, I don't know. Yeah, Elk hunting is some of my favorite things to do. And it's still at a legit place, though. I may add, I'm not going on a goat rope. We've done that. Yeah. If anyone here, here's my lasting tip because every time this time of year, you probably do, you'll have friends reach out to you from around here that have aspirations to go out west and chase elk. And they'll start looking around and place to go research who you want to go with if you're thinking about going to a place or even if you're trying to draw tags somewhere. Personally, I would take the back half of September over the front half of September every single time. Yeah. Absolutely. I told I had a guy, he went the second week of September, go ahead. You gave me September first through the 12th to hunt somewhere. Our gave me September the 20th to 23rd. I'd take sacrifice in a week. Yeah.

51:22I would probably take the back half elk hunting. I'd take the three days. Yeah. 100%. I had a friend. He went like the second week of September. She's not crazy early, but still earlier than I wanted to go. And it was funny talking to him a little bit because he'd be like, man, because I told him, I mean, the thing was already booked. And I said, dude, don't get dejected time is on your side. It's like the later it gets the better it will get. And the first part when he was there, it was still in like the single digits. I mean, you know, like the 7th or 8th or something like that. And he'd be like, man, I don't know. They were fired up today. And I'm like, describe fired up. He'd be like, well, they were bugling real good in the morning. I said, when they stopped, about eight, I'm like, yeah. Yeah. He's like, you want it to wear there? You can, they're still popping off on their own at noon, two o'clock in the afternoon. He ended up shooting one, but it was like towards the tail end of his trip. I kept telling him because he was getting worried. I was like, time is on your side. But yeah, yeah. I think that's everything for this week. We hope to see y'all this afternoon because it'll be September the 15th at Ag Up in Canton.

52:23Gonna be a heck of a good time. And yeah. Hopefully y'all there. Thank y'all for listening. I'm gonna take a quick break here, folks, just to remind you that right now in Ag Up Equipment, you can own the John Deere compact tractor that you have always wanted, needed, or maybe a combination of both with 0% financing on all one through four series machines. Visit your local Ag Up location or check them out online at agup.com. Ag Up Equipment in John Deere. Built for what's next.