Baran Dilaver: Why Your Biological Age Test Might Be Lying To You | DSH #1774

People think there's a magic pill.

The magic pill is exercise.

Yeah.

So, I mean, this is great, but like, you know, if you don't exercise,

if you don't eat well, if you drink a lot,

we can't fix you with a pill.

Right.

Yeah, you still need to put in the work.

Those years that, you know, we put so much efforts,

are the ones I enjoy the most.

I get the most because you learn so much about yourself,

about your limits, about your potential.

So, you know, that's what it is.

But Burning Man is for a lot of people,

his self-discovery and community.

If I cannot control their mind states and their nutrition,

I will not take it on because if I don't control

their nutrition and mindset, I cannot heal them.

There are so many, like, not just an actual,

like, real studies showing that the mindset is so important.

There's definitely a connection.

When I was the most sick, I've ever been in college.

I was the most negative as well.

Yeah.

And I think it was definitely related.

If you're depressed, you don't, you don't work out.

If you're depressed, you don't eat well, right?

Like, there's direct correlation.

So, you have to break that cycle.

Okay, guys, exciting episode today.

We got Baron from Wonderfield.

Brought some lovely products.

I'm going to start trying them.

All about longevity, as you guys know,

from the podcast, super interested in health.

So, thanks for joining us today, man.

Well, thanks for having me.

Yeah, I think what you're doing is very innovative,

and it's going to have a big impact on the world, right?

Thank you for trying.

Yeah, I mean, it's the age-old question

these days is reverse ageing possible, right?

People are really questioning how if they could get younger.

So, it's a good question to ask.

I don't think we have the answer yet.

Yeah.

Yeah, we were talking on the phone.

You said it's more complex than just your biological

and chronological age.

These tests you could take, right?

There are quite a few good tests,

but one challenge is they do come with different results.

Some of them are significantly different.

So, that scientists actually think they came together

and they created a consortium trying to align the results.

But, I mean, the results still give you some indication.

If something is really wrong, for instance,

you can see it through your biological age.

But, as you said, it's very complicated.

The body is very complicated.

Yeah, so we can get into it.

Yeah, because I took the cheek one, the saliva test.

It said I was like 22, but then I took a blood test

and it was a different age.

So, I didn't know what to believe, you know?

I mean, a few years difference doesn't move the needle that much,

but when you're 60 and one results come at 35,

one results come at 50, that's addictive.

Yeah, that's a huge difference.

So, Burning Man just passed.

I was seeing a lot of social media posts about it.

It's very interesting to see how people talk about it on social media,

but you've been going to Burning Man for a while now, right?

For 19 years, I think.

19 years. So, you haven't missed a year?

I have skipped a few years.

Yeah.

That's impressive.

But I've gone at least like 16 to 18 times, yeah.

Do you think it's something everyone should experience at least once?

If they're interested, you know, Burning Man could be very different

depending on how much you want to get out of it.

Most people think that it's a big party or a big music festival,

that's not what it is.

You know, I try to sometimes give some sort of context.

I think your audience is interested in their aspiring entrepreneurs,

their intertech.

For instance, you know, the co-founders of Google,

when they get investment money from a VC,

the VC said, you know what?

You don't know what you're doing or what I said.

You need adult supervision.

You need to hire an established CEO from the corporate world.

Then they were not super happy about it.

But, you know, they had to follow the instructions.

And they interviewed a bunch of people and they just didn't know what to do.

They were not feeling it.

And their favorite candidate actually just showed up at Burning Man

at their camp unannounced and camped with them throughout the week

or even a little longer.

And that's where they connected.

They still like, you know, they could really socialize with them

or he would just put like, you know, the tears and the hard work

and what needed to be done.

And he was hired.

He was the CEO of Google for the next, I think, 10 years or more.

Wow. Look what they built.

That's crazy. Look what they built.

It's one of the biggest companies in the world.

Yes.

Wow.

Met at Burning Man, too.

That's Burning Man confirmed his process.

That's cool.

It doesn't seem like a bad spot to network and meet some interesting people.

I do want to go and just talk to people there.

Seems like all sorts of perspectives go to that event.

Yeah, and, you know,

since I've been going for so long, Burning Man was not a thing.

Like nobody even, like, my friends in New York

did not know what Burning Man was.

So my perception, the way I look at Burning Man

is probably very different than the younger people.

Like, I don't think about network in when I go there.

But that happens organically.

You meet some of the most interesting, wonderful people from

take points of view, like a lot of the innovators

or people who found the companies there there.

And, you know, they sometimes try their news ideas,

like the lead technology.

They put the latest versions always, like, you know,

and some sort of an art form at Burning Man.

And back in the day, like, you know, 18 years ago,

the lead device, you know, they were so primitive,

they don't catch fire.

Yeah.

Yeah, you also make art there, right?

I work with some amazing art installations.

You know, I was not lead artist.

Peter Hudson, a good friend of mine,

and we had done some other art installations.

But yeah, we worked on some of the largest art installations

at Burning Man.

So, art's a pretty passionate thing for you.

It's, you get a lot out of it.

It's very weird and surprising that, you know,

you put so much time and effort, put it this way.

I've been to Burning Man for a few years,

where I didn't do big projects.

And there was, those were easy years.

And when we did the art projects,

they were literally pain in the butt.

Like, you spend the entire year, first of all,

and back down with a lot of money.

So, you spend a lot of money out of your pocket.

You'll do fundraisers, but then you'll spend the weekends

at the warehouse, you're working, you're working.

And then you'll take time off from work,

think about your vacation, and you get a desert,

and you have to go, like, sometimes a week,

sometimes even, like, longer before Burning Man starts

to build the project.

Wow.

And you'll work 12 hours, 15 hours, 16 hours,

trying to get it ready in the dust,

in the heat, 110 degrees, or in the dust storms,

and like the worst conditions.

And you're the only ones there, like,

there's, you don't have to take it showers,

you're just, like, wiping yourself clean.

You're working so hard.

And my friends, like, again, like, the friends

out of, like, who didn't know Burning Man,

like, are you crazy?

Like, that's your vacation?

Why would you do that?

Like, why wouldn't you just go to, you know,

a beach in Mexico, or like,

they're gonna get on a boat trip and Mediterranean?

And surprisingly, those years that, you know,

we put so much effort, are the ones I enjoyed the most.

I got the most because you learned so much about yourself,

about your limits, about your, um, potential.

Um, so, you know, that's, that's, that's what it is.

But Burning Man is where a lot of people

is self-discovery and community.

Interesting.

Dust storms sound pretty not fun to deal with.

I've never been in one.

They're fun, actually.

Really?

They're, they're, they're, they're hard to deal with, yes.

What's the worst one you've seen?

Have you been caught in one where you couldn't see anything?

Oh my god, so many of them, um, and I've, like, we've,

we've been into, the one dust storm,

I could not move for three hours.

Holy crap.

And I was, I was by myself in the middle of the desert.

The dust storm did not stop.

And you wouldn't, you can't know which direction to go.

But then you can't see more than maybe a feet.

Geez.

That's, three feet, that's, that's still nothing.

So you can see anything.

So you don't want to get lost further and further away from

whatever you're trying to go.

So you have to stay put.

Usually you try to find something before the dust storm,

to like hide or like get inside and make friends with somebody's,

somebody's camp in their structure.

But no, I was out on the open ply.

I apply as a desert, what we call.

But then, you know, by, by just, just hearing people's voices,

like three of us came together.

And we just hung out talking and, for three hours,

waiting the dust storm to go away.

That's crazy.

But, you know, there's been some other crazy ones

where like the trailers, the, the RVs will flip.

Wow.

Such strong, such strong winds.

Three hours is nuts.

I would have started asking if this is it.

I would have been like, damn, am I about to die here?

Always have some water with you.

That's crazy.

Let's dive into a wonder field now.

I think we should start off with what exactly NAD is,

because a lot of people have heard of it by now, right?

But some people don't know exactly what it is.

Yeah, and it's not that easy to explain with biochemistry.

I mean, I can get into biochemistry happily,

but one analogy works really well.

So NAD is something you produce.

Your body produces billions every day.

It's so crucial that without NAD,

you'll be dead in 10 seconds.

Wow.

When people have hard to track,

they're in a deep level of plummet, actually.

It also takes place in over 400 enzymatic processes.

But the way I can try to make sense out of it,

is I think about NAD as the life force,

like a river that comes from the mountains,

and it feeds a valley.

This water, the river, it feeds, there's a town there.

There are orchards, there are farms.

So it's used for irrigation.

It's used for transportation, people transport over it.

They fish, they use it for drinking water.

So it's essential to the life of the life of the life in the valley.

What happens by it matters to us, to our conversation,

is as you age, the NAD levels start declining.

As early as in our 30s, it starts declining.

So think about it, there's less water coming all of a sudden.

So one year, the strawberry field does not produce strawberries.

That's one of your organs not functioning well.

Or the apple orchard doesn't give as many apples.

So again, one of your organs, your skin,

not being optimal anymore.

Or there's less drinking water, there's less fish.

Or people are not able to, like, the transportation.

Those are the helping enzymes, maybe.

This will be the comparison.

It's not that easy, because part of the river is dry.

So as you age, it gets worse and worse and worse.

So that's why you, was that a big reason you started the company,

was to sell NAD to people?

But I guess the reason it was more like I started aging.

You know, I've been not super kind to my body.

And then I met this genius of a scientist, doctor, professor.

And he turned out to be one of the first

who studied NAD, who wrote about NAD,

but he didn't study NAD for longevity purposes.

His discovery was he invented something

that fixed a broken gene that causes breast cancer,

an ovarian cancer and woman, the bronca gene.

And while he invented that,

NAD played a very important role in everything he touched in the cell.

So that was his research on NAD, not for the purpose of NAD.

So now it's came, you know,

360 that he's able to work on NAD products

to help people without having to go through

10 years of clinical trials and, you know,

just just skipping the pharmaceutical route.

Got it. So you started taking it based off of studies

and you felt a lot better?

Yes.

You started noticing things pretty quickly

or how long did it take?

Well, my story is a little, little funny,

because when I started taking our products,

I was in a Southern Mediterranean.

I was swimming in the morning or paddle boarding.

I was quite surfing in the afternoon.

I was getting plenty of sunshine

and I was eating the perfect Mediterranean diet.

So of course, I was getting much better.

So I could not attribute how much better I felt

to take in our product.

Got it, okay.

But when I stop doing that,

usually if I don't work out for a month or a month and a half,

I start breaking apart.

My energy levels come down.

I'm not as focused anymore.

And, you know, just because of working stuff,

like after doing this for over a month,

I took a break on a purpose,

but then I was still writing that great energy levels

and the health for another like few months.

Yeah.

Which is not advice.

I mean, go back to working out.

You know, that's just...

No, I'm glad you said that,

because the lifestyle is so important.

People think there's a magic pill.

The magic pill is exercise.

Yeah.

So, I mean, this is great,

but like, you know,

if you don't exercise,

if you don't eat well,

if you drink a lot,

we can't fix you with a pill.

Right.

Yeah, you still need to put in the work.

There's some celebrities that have publicly stated

they're taking this.

Jennifer Aniston.

I think Rogan may be Haley Bieber.

Kendall Jenner, right?

So, it's getting some traction, though.

Kendall Jenner started at age 25.

Wow.

That's young, right?

In my opinion, that's young.

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Nobody has studied what happens

if you take it as 20 or 22.

So this is now opinion.

If I were 22, I wouldn't take it.

Your body is still so optimized exercise.

I do do all the good things

and I think you're going to do great.

26, 25.

I feel like that's a little bit too young.

So I will start taking it like maybe 29, 30.

You feel like that's when the drop-off starts.

Yeah, I mean, it starts maybe in your 25, 25, 26.

Everybody's different.

And I mean, this is a very safe thing

because it's something your body produces

in speck and billions.

Yeah.

But still, like, if you're so young,

there's no reason to take it on.

So your 25, 30 is.

I mean, until we learn something else,

I mean, maybe we're going to learn

that it's actually great to start at 25.

So far, I don't think anybody has real interest

to look into it at that age

because we know that it's working

while at the later ages.

So that's what focuses.

But I think your audience is, I know, they're younger.

So 25 to 30.

Yeah, 25 to 34s are biggest range.

But yeah, tell your parents about it too.

I'm sure they could look into it, right?

There's a lot of studies on it now and a lot of science.

It's not really like opinion anymore.

Science is 10 years ago.

There was not a lot of science.

But the amount of science coming out is impressive.

There are more and more clinical trials.

And because it touches so many things on the body,

there are many different angles

that people are looking at.

And they all look incredibly promising.

Some people are looking at women's health,

reproductive health.

They look at inflammation.

They look at rare diseases.

So yeah, the results are very promising.

I think the next five years, 10 years,

we're going to see that all the premise

that we've been seeing from animal studies

and cell studies is going to be proven

by human clinical trials.

Nice. That's exciting.

Is this pretty accessible?

Can you just buy this pretty easily for the most part?

Yes, yes.

Our product is available on our website.

We have thousands of thousands of people

sending us great feedback.

And we are surprised by the feedback actually every day.

We learned something that we didn't expect.

People's gray hair

starts turning back to real color.

Wow.

We didn't expect that.

Yeah, that's crazy.

Women's eyelashes.

So women in their 40s,

they start losing their eyelashes and eyebrows.

I don't know if you have ever seen

all the women penciling their eyebrows.

No, I haven't.

Apparently they lose it.

And so people's eyelashes start growing back.

Or like we did not expect that at all.

And nobody studies eyelashes.

Not like a clinical area that people are studying.

So this kind of feedback is amusing and very interesting.

And Dr. Salisman or Chief Medical Officer.

So when he gets this kind of feedback,

he gets excited and he goes into literature.

And he's so good at like understanding

how the biochemistry works.

So he's able to connect the reasons.

Like one of the other things,

not relevant to the eyelashes,

was the gut microbiome.

So he turned out to be the pioneers

in writing about gut microbiome back in late 80s and early 90s.

But there was such a beautiful finding

that our product helps with the gut microbiome.

Yeah, that's a big issue right now.

People's gut health, right?

Yeah.

With all the diet.

Exactly.

Yeah, the American diet, man.

It's not that healthy.

Mediterranean's the way to go.

Yes, that's my view.

That's what I try to eat when I'm here.

It's tough in the desert.

But I try to eat like that sort of diet, you know?

I mean, these days you can get everything, right?

Like it gets delivered.

Yeah, I order.

I order from Amish people too.

Oh, cool.

Amish farms.

Have you done that?

I have not, but in this sense.

Yeah, they're probably the purest.

They don't even use electricity, right?

No disease.

Yeah, Trump just did a whole big announcement on it.

Did you see that?

No.

You didn't see the Tylenol announcement?

A Tylenol, yes.

Yeah, yeah.

But he was referencing Amish communities in that announcement.

Interesting.

I just got to catch that part.

Yeah, very interesting.

Interesting to see what advice the government gives on health, huh?

It dramatically changed in the last year, too.

Yeah.

Yeah, there's a lot of good, you know?

Like, I mean, look, pharmaceuticals,

we don't like pharmaceuticals, right?

Because they all come with side effects.

But, you know, they save a lot of lives.

So there's a time and place for it.

It's just everything got so loop-side at the pharmaceutical

industry, maximizing profits, like the price and the way

the lobby influences all the decisions.

And same thing with the food lobby, you know?

When you have, you know, thousands of burger joints,

you know, they, they, people love burgers.

So how do you go against something people love?

And all these people make money off.

Eating a burger every day is not good for you.

You know, they, what if it's grass-fed, though?

I still don't think it's good for you.

Because the, the bread, though, right?

There's the bread, there's the cheese.

And the meat parts, there are different schools of thought.

So some people think that you should eat just like meat products.

Yeah, carnivore.

Right? And then there's the, the, the,

the opposite ends the vegan diets.

To me, they're both extreme.

I think if you're eating grass-fed, really healthy meats,

that's, that's good for you.

But I think moderation is key there.

Just, you have to change it up.

So I don't believe in carnivore diets.

Because there's side effects.

There's, there's a lot of things that come with such heavy meat

consumption.

So you'll find this interesting.

I had the founder of V-Om on the podcast.

You're familiar with them, right?

Yes.

And I asked, because they have so much data on people.

I think they've done, I think he said over a million tests at this point.

And people have to say what diet they're on on the test.

So I was like, did you see any diet like more healthy?

Like, what was the healthiest diet?

I think was the question I asked.

Based off your data and results.

And I was shocked by his answer.

What is that?

He said vegetarian.

Okay.

I thought it would have been like, I don't know, carnivore or something, you know?

But it was a total opposite.

Vegetarian, interesting.

So that's, you know, that I have seen quite a few people

that really like benefit from switching to vegetarian to consuming meat.

Because they're lacking a lot of nutrition.

So that's why I question like, you know, can you generalize vegetarian

vegetarian being good for everyone?

But, you know, like, Mediterranean diet is much more vegetarian and a lot of fish.

And when you say fish, you get to be careful.

You don't want to take too much mercury.

So the smaller fish, like anchovies, sardines, like Arctic char.

And those are better for you.

But I do think that, you know, your body needs protein.

And I don't know if you can get enough by just consuming vegetables.

Not so, I guess.

That was my thought process, too.

Yeah.

But now they're kind of saying the protein thing might be in myth.

How you need a lot of protein to be healthy.

They're looking into that now, scientists.

I'm glad that they're looking into it.

So the question is how much do you need?

Right.

I mean, these things keep changing.

That's what makes it really confusing for people.

Again, like, one camp says only eat meat products.

One camp says only eat vegan, just vegetables.

Right.

So I cannot see both of them being 100% accurate.

Right.

So something in between,

and I've, he became a friend of mine.

We didn't work with him, but an incredible

scientist from UCSF, professor, doctor.

He was specializing in cancer.

But first, he sold HIV problem.

Wow.

So when he went back to oncology, he said,

Baran, I, one thing I realized is I cannot do it.

I won't even take a patient on.

If I don't control number one,

if I can do chemotherapy or operation,

because sometimes you have to.

And if I cannot control their mind states and their nutrition,

I will not take it on.

Because if I don't control their nutrition and mindset,

I cannot heal them.

Wow.

And the mindset, right?

So it's not important, huh?

Minds set for healing.

I think they're going to die.

They are not probably dying.

I'd imagine the odds are increased, right?

If they're negative.

I mean, there's so many mindset, actually,

clinical studies.

Like I forgot the exact details to tell.

But I think there was a lobster study.

Like the depressed lobster dies.

That there's there's a.

Wow.

Lobsters can get depressed.

That's crazy.

And then I, they were not smart.

They get isolated and they die.

And there's there was a story.

There's a guy who was stuck at a on a train on a cargo train.

The door was locked.

And you know, the weather never got super cold.

Like maybe 60 or like late like higher 50s was the coldest.

But when they discovered him, he was dead.

And he died from shivering from cold.

But this was not cold enough.

So he took himself thinking that he's his two colds.

Wow.

There, there's so many like not just an actual like real studies

showing that the mindset is so important.

There's definitely a connection.

When I was the most sick, I've ever been in college.

I was the most negative as well.

Yeah.

And I think it was definitely related.

If you're depressed, you don't, you don't work out.

If you're depressed, you don't eat well, right?

Like there's direct correlation.

So you have to break that cycle.

Yeah, 100%.

That is interesting.

You also sell NMN on the site, which a lot of people I think have heard.

Could you explain that what that is too?

Yeah, so we talked about NAD.

But we didn't explain really like the products

or how to take it.

So you can't actually take an AD.

You can't take it.

So what is this?

That's an NAD precursor.

It's the building block to make an AD.

You can take an AD.

Sorry, oh, let me take it like him.

Take an AD, but it won't benefit you.

Because it's a charged big molecule.

And it's one, get inside the cell.

NAD needs to be inside the cell.

Put it this way.

NAD is so precious to the cell that the cell membrane will not NAD out.

The same membrane that doesn't let NAD out doesn't let NAD in.

So when these people take NAD through like IV or injections,

they're flooding their system with NAD.

We have tons of studies on the NMN and NR, which are the precursors.

But there hasn't been any study on what happens when you take the injection.

But we know that NAD doesn't get inside the cell,

as Dr. Salsman or Chief Medical Officer explains.

He said, well, look, body is complex.

So it finds ways to turn some of that NAD that is flooding the system, the blood.

And turns it into NMN and NR to precursors.

And then it manages to get some of it probably in.

But we don't know how much.

We don't know how much strain it puts on to the system.

Because when people do the NAD injections,

you will hear a lot of weird impacts.

People talk about chest pain or they might...

There's a lot of different things that they report.

Same thing, because NAD became so popular,

there are some brands out there.

They just slap NAD on it and they put NAD inside the cell,

I mean, inside the capsule.

But that doesn't work.

The good companies know that NAD, you can't take NAD.

So NMN and NR,

dichotinamides mononucleotides,

also something your body produces in billions.

Also, NMN, and those are the two key molecules that you can take

that increases NAD production in the body.

Got it.

Or is this a little bit more, you know,

there's, again, I'll explain with an analogy.

So there's decreasing NAD production.

And then there's increased NAD consumption.

So if you think about what we are trying to do is keep the top fold with NAD.

So we're adding more NAD from top.

But then there's a leak.

So the leak happens because an enzyme called CD38 is just eating it up.

Most of it comes from gut microbiome.

As you age, it gets more active.

So you need to slow down the activity or the leak.

So a couple of ingredients in there,

they're derived from olive oil, the good olives,

and the Mediterranean, and resveratrol,

which is not known as another long-given molecule.

So they help reducing the CD38 activity to have other benefits as well.

So yeah, it's a complex formula that's very specific.

It's not like whole bunch of different things.

Very specific ingredients that help with NAD production,

NAD depletion, and the Ergot Thinion is the magic one there.

It's from the mushrooms, one of the most interesting ingredients

from the mushrooms that helps with cognition.

That is actually in mother's milk.

Babies have receptors for it.

And if you give it to somebody who's got dementia in their 80s, 90s,

they actually park like they do better.

So it's a big range from, you know, a baby who's one year old to somebody,

who's 85 years old, benefit from it.

But we don't even know why we have that receptor.

A lot we don't know about the body, right?

Are there ways to measure your NAD level?

Like does it show up on a blood test or anything?

It's very difficult because you have to take tissue.

So you have to take tissue out.

And it's very expensive just to do that.

And then you have to analyze the tissue.

That's also very expensive.

So only like very like specific research labs.

So people have to do that.

So everything else, like you get in maybe

as some sort of an idea, but it's not easy.

It's like you're measuring your vitamin D level or your creatine level.

That makes sense.

Even creatine level is not accurate actually.

That's a whole big industry right now, creatine.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's blowing up.

Creatine is one of the supplements 101.

It's really inexpensive.

And it's really good for many reasons.

So it's just something that, you know,

especially like people, it's not just for athletes,

especially people like after 40, 50.

They should take it.

I mean, it's in my water right here.

Helps with mental performance now too.

The cognition, yeah, I love it.

People didn't know about it.

They thought it was just only for bodybuilders.

That's what I thought I thought it was just for lifting for a while.

But we tried to fit it in there.

You can't fit in four grams of creatine into it.

That would have been an ultimate thing to take.

It's just a good like 99's addition.

It's not necessarily as synergistic,

but yeah, it also does similar things to help.

So it's a great compliment.

Yeah, I feel way better.

There's so many benefits.

I feel like I'm lifting a little more.

I'm more energetic.

My brain feels better on it.

And it's so cheap.

Like you said, it's like 30 bucks for like the whole thing.

Yeah, it's one of the least expensive supplements

most available.

Yeah, I think it's supplement 101.

Yeah, you think at the rate where we're going right now

with all the new information we're learning,

all these new supplements and new studies

that a human will live to 150 within our lifetime.

That's a great question.

Short answer is yes.

But I only see a few pathways.

There's, you know, all these billionaires

are investing in longevity companies.

And it creates great amount of research.

But it's confusing.

Like some people think that this is just a code thing, right?

Like once you are past the age of making children,

you're not needed anymore.

So the code expires.

That's a good theory.

But I don't think by just finding that one code

and changing it, we're going to be able to change that.

Because there's so many other things going on.

But what I find very interesting

is radical inventions.

What we're trying to do is just slow down the process

to your point.

So in my lifetime, hopefully I can benefit

from these radical inventions.

Yeah, so like reverse aging, right?

In a sense,

reverse aging is like a whole other ambitious goal.

Like slow down aging, stop aging, but reversing.

Oh, yeah, I guess slowing aging.

Because instead of aging at one per year,

your aging may be 0.8.9.

That I think, like little inventions are helping,

starting with exercise and doing some deride supplements,

not every supplements.

That will all help with slowing down aging

compared to your average person.

But then the radical invention I'm talking about,

I'll tell you about one company I just love.

I mean, they're still trying to keep under the radar.

But that kind of invention will make a difference.

So what they do is they take a piece of you.

So basically, they take your DNA and they clone you.

Right?

So cloning is getting better and better.

You've heard about cloning.

They clone you.

So they have your embryo.

So you, Sean, all of a sudden,

you know, there's a little Sean embryo there.

And they start growing that embryo.

Well, guess what?

Like if you need a new organ,

if you need a new liver, kidney,

you are most compatible with yourself.

Right?

So just being able to grab that organ

and grow it in a petri dish,

in a lab environment,

you're having a backup or stem cells.

You need stem cells.

We all need stem cells.

So you can harvest stem cells from your own embryo.

So they're working on this already.

I mean, they have some of the brightest scientists

from Stanford and one of the guys that

they might be like, you know,

the next Nobel Prize winners.

So they're working on this.

And they're not trying to frame it as longevity.

They're looking at it as

solutions to some specific medical problems.

Kidney, feel failure or like the very transplantation.

But the concept is much more than that.

So if they can at least do one, two of them,

the doors open up.

So that's what I'm excited about.

Like that's the radical invention

that will definitely add so many more years

to that higher ceiling.

Nobody lives past 120.

And even that is very difficult to get to.

So how do you break that ceiling?

So this kind of radical invention,

not just slowing down exercising

and taking like, you know,

50 pills, that's not going to get you past 120.

This is my opinion.

I agree.

I think theoretically,

if you can replace your organs

and have brand new organs,

that would increase your lifespan.

But especially if they're failing,

that's your weakest point or stem cells.

Like give your body ways to produce more younger cells.

Yeah.

Like think about somebody who's a teenager

or like young kids,

like their skin is glowing

and they're producing,

there's a cut that goes away much faster

than the old person having a cut.

Right.

Yeah, that's true.

Wow, that's exciting.

I hope they can pull that off.

There's a lot of issues with organ transplants,

actually.

The bodies don't connect with the previous organ, you know?

There's rejects, rejects.

Rejects, yeah.

Do you think that's an energetic thing

or do you think it's going on with that?

I mean, that's a whole

field.

That's another podcast.

I think it is personally,

because physically it just doesn't match the body, you know?

Yeah, right.

There's a lot of reasons that it doesn't comply.

Yeah.

You still pretty active.

You play any water polo.

I know you used to play professional, right?

I don't play water polo.

Like you have to practice every day to play water polo.

So these days are a little bit more fun

activities,

kite surfing, snowboarding.

Still swim, bike,

run.

It's pretty intense, right?

Which one?

kite surfing.

kite surfing.

You could get rid of the intense.

Yeah, I haven't done it before,

but that's the one where you're the kite

and the air and you're on a board, right?

Yes, you're on a board.

You have like these like fishing lines

almost these lines that are attached to kite.

And it's very powerful.

So you have to make sure you manage it.

And then, you know, I get into trouble

when I go into big ways with it.

That's fun, man.

What else is the main focus?

What are you trying to really push other

than the products right now?

I don't know if I should talk about the next

round of products.

We are trying to keep everything

around to this core product.

Okay.

But then like trying to add

stuff that complements it.

And, you know,

I'll talk about it a little bit.

Like one thing that is exciting for me is

a different form factor.

So, you know,

people have been taking gummies as

what do you call

a gummy supplements?

Yeah.

And, you know, gummies don't excite me.

Like some people like gummies,

but, you know, I'm not

nine years old.

I don't go by gummies.

But I really like dark chocolates.

Yeah.

I got some Dubai chocolate

if you want some after.

Oh, great.

Yeah, I'll have some.

So we are working on this

chocolate form of a supplements

that is healthy for you.

No sugar alcohol,

no sugar,

stevia, which does taste bad.

So we have already made a tasty.

So hopefully it comes out in the market soon.

See, that's exciting.

Some chocolate that's healthy for you.

Healthy.

Because there's some mixed things

on dark chocolate

with the heavy metals.

Have you seen that?

Of course.

So we have a test to make sure

there's no heavy metals.

Yeah.

So that was,

when I saw that,

I was a little disheartened

because I used to think

dark chocolate was really good for you.

I mean, there's a lot of good things

in dark chocolate.

There's a lot of polyphenols

and antioxidants,

but there's a lot of metals.

That's not that good for you.

Yeah, the metals and the plastics

are big concern for me these days.

I had to cut back on seafood.

To get tricky, you have to eat the right stuff.

Yeah, well, mainly sushi

and raw big tuna and stuff, you know?

Yeah, mercury.

Even though it tastes so good,

it's just,

man, the microplastics in the mercury.

Yeah.

Tony Robbins had mercury poisoning.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, he was eating too much sushi.

It's something to look out for, I guess.

Yeah.

Just compiles in the body, right?

Yeah, so again,

it goes into moderation, right?

So,

but then in the chocolate,

yeah, we test our chocolates.

Make sure that, you know, we have...

Now, we've become from the science background,

so we test everything,

like every time something comes in

and, you know, every level of production, we test it.

Yeah.

So, you know, we're not just chocolate makers,

so chocolate comes in

and becomes something else in our world.

Were you doing a lot of science stuff

before a wonder field?

Were you at other companies?

A little bit, not as much.

You know, I got into science

and trying to understand a few different things.

That's where I met Dr. Sozman

in one of the medical conferences.

And then we have now two medical doctors,

clinical pharmacologists on the staff.

And, you know, they like to really get into science

and I'm still the business guy.

Yeah.

So I'm like, okay, that's all great.

But, you know, it's been a year we've been trying,

like, these five things, I can't mean...

What can we do to make it a little bit more

practical for our purposes?

Yeah.

But there's, like, yeah,

the stuff we're working on is so exciting.

Because we're able to parallel attract

into a pharmaceutical and a pharmaceutical.

And the pharmaceutical is, like, believe it or not,

like, the most of the doctors, the medical establishments

still does not believe in nutraceuticals.

They want to see the pharmaceutical version

so they can prescribe.

But, you know,

we, while we are continuing the pharmaceutical route,

we see incredible benefits

for, well, I can't talk about it

because, you know, we are still on the patent phases.

It's not out yet.

It's going to be a minute.

But, you know, I will tell you,

as a company,

our goal is with the pharmaceutical is not to maximize profits.

You know, we are going to keep growing our business.

There's enough business out there.

So, pharmaceuticals will make him

as accessible as possible.

And having that pharmaceutical version

makes it more accessible because not doctors can prescribe it.

So, that's how we look at it.

And the products we are going to make,

I don't think they're going to have side effects, I mean.

Whoa!

That's unheard of for pharmaceuticals.

Exactly.

Because, you know, these are all natural,

like, the natural ingredients,

they don't make it to the pharmaceuticals.

pharmaceutical industry will take something,

and they tweak it so they can patent it.

So, that's why you don't have all these, like,

like, something like early thining,

like I talked about in the mushrooms.

No pharmaceutical company is going to spend money

turning into a beneficial drug

because there's no money in it.

They cannot patent it.

So,

That is interesting.

I was just going to ask you

if there are side effects to this,

but it sounds like there aren't.

You haven't seen any?

No, seen side effects,

and tens of thousands of people

that will take it out.

Yeah, it's all natural.

It's all natural.

Their body produces it,

but we don't tell people

who are, like, you know,

20 years to take it.

But with everything, like, you know,

we're talking about foods.

Sometimes too much olive oil might not

sit well for somebody,

right?

Olive oil is great for you,

but should drink a liter of olive oil.

Some people consume a lot.

So, I think you have to listen to your body, too.

100%.

Well, man, what's next?

I think we got through everything here.

Where can people buy this?

Do we have a special link?

Oh, he's a good question.

It's www.getwonderfield.com.

Okay.

We'll link that in the video

for people watching,

and where can people find you, too?

They can find me on LinkedIn or Instagram.

LinkedIn.

We'll name last name.

Cool. We'll link that in the video.

Thanks for coming on, man.

Thank you for having me.

Check them out, guys.

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