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This is Dr. Clayton J. Baker, MD.

Today I'm very excited to have a dear friend and special guest on the program today.

Father John Nogel.

Dr. Nogel is Prokiel Vickor of St. Augustine's Parish in Beaver Falls, Pennsylvania in the

Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

Father Nogel is a good friend of mine and I like to think of him.

I'm sure I'm not the only one as the unofficial chaplain of Brownstone Institute.

Many of you know that I write frequently for Brownstone Institute, so does Father Nogel

and I encourage you to look up some of his work on Brownstone Journal.

There's a large number of really great thoughtful articles that he's written since the early

days of COVID.

Father Nogel was one of the rare priests who worked tirelessly during the COVID lockdowns

from the very early days to provide continuous religious observance, provide the mass and

the Eucharist to his parishioners.

He was very courageous and quite outspoken about the need for this and the terrible

wrongs of limiting worship or stopping worship during COVID lockdowns.

As I mentioned, he writes frequently for Brownstone and he's a trusted counsel to myself

and to many others in the COVID resistance movement and what that has evolved into as

the COVID era itself seems to recede into the distance, however, the threats that we see

to our individual liberties and to our way of life and to our health persist and in some

ways even increase.

So it's my honor to have Father Nogel here particularly on Holy Week because I know

that's one of the busiest times of the year for a Catholic priest, but we were able to

carve out a little time today in his busy schedule and I'm very grateful to you for that.

Welcome, Father Nogel.

It's wonderful to be with you Clayton and with your listeners.

Thank you so much.

So let me set the scene and I want to get your thoughts, I want to get your counsel for

myself and for all of my listeners.

You know, we've been through since early 2020, the COVID era.

So the tremendous worldwide abuse of frankly most of the world's population, the lockdowns,

the coerced vaccinations, the fear mongering, the systematic lying and the subsequent

stripping of basic human liberties.

It's just been unprecedented certainly in my life and I don't know exactly what the exact

precedent for that would be if there is one in recorded human history.

And now we're in 2026 and in 2025, if you're someone who is interested in sort of, I guess

the term I would use is a reversal or some accounting of what happened during the COVID

years.

There was some positive developments I could argue, at least in the United States and

I think worldwide regarding that in 2025, but now we're in 2026 and again, things seem

quite dark to me.

We're embroiled in a war, another war, a war of choice by the United States, clearly

an unconstitutional war because the constitution absolutely requires that going to war be authorized

by the Congress, which this one was not.

And now we see a situation where the world economy is on the precipice.

We see a high likelihood that United States soldiers are going to be sent into the meat

grinder and that's just in the context of as many of my listeners know that there are

other fronts that have continued in the wake of COVID, I'm very active speaking out against

geoengineering, which is another assault on nature, assault on human liberty, on human

health.

So with that very, I guess ominous introduction, I want to know from you, what can you tell

someone, whether they are Catholic or not, whether they are a believer or not, but within

the context of your work, how does someone continue to have hope and faith and love in

an era like this?

We know my first public words only of you will by my friends on Facebook at the time when

lockdowns began was a sarcastic comment, congrats, we've collapsed civilization.

And I don't think we think clearly enough about that word civilization because we have

civilization because we have been civilized.

It's a reminder that our base state, at least under the influence of sin, is not peace

and prosperity, but rather it's barbarism.

And even before Christianity, order was imposed as if from outside.

So initially the Greeks and then later the Romans is that there was a forceful assertion

of an order.

And this is why if we're having a fight, we don't kill each other.

If I want your stuff, I just don't go in by force and take it because there's been this

imposed order.

And while the history of civilization being shipped at more and more, I would argue is

at least 500 years in the making, I don't think there's ever been a period of time before

2020 where things developed so rapidly that the very rules which we use to exist with

each other were just completely changed and suspended and even worse, a significant part

of the population was brainwashed enough to the point where they acted as if it's always

been this way.

And I don't think it's coincidence that our cities in this very time have become less

and less safe.

They become as Rome was when it was overrun by the barbarians.

We live in a time where the order we were given and reminder, Western civilization all

dissent from Christendom.

It was the church and then later it was competing Christian religions, but there still was this

sense that we have an order that we inherit and that we pass on to our children and that

we mess around with that basically at our peril, right?

It seems that we now live in this era where we are reinventing the temptation of the serpent

in the garden.

We're reinventing, well, we don't have to die.

We can be peaceful and prosperity on our own terms, but instead of on basing all of this

on God's law, it's now the will of our elites who at what's terrifying is not all of them

are even in it for profit, but some of them just raw power.

And it just seems like we're in this late stage where everyone is trying to cash out now

because they know that there's no stability moving forward and that when the musical

chairs ends, whoever has a seat has a seat and whoever doesn't, doesn't.

The fact that so many of our politicians, including the US Senator, are just so blunt

thirsty that they yearn for death, I just see it and I've been preaching to our people

that, you know, we really need to enter into this holy week as if maybe it was our only

holy week and also cognizant the fact that none of us are guaranteed a holy week after,

that that was a miraculous time when hatred and death were transformed into life and love.

Because that's really the center of the Christian religion, right?

Confronted with the most hateful and murderous of human tendencies that out of that comes

salvation, life, love, conversion of heart, and I would argue civilization itself.

So yes, we live in dark times, but dark times have been transformed.

Rome fell once, Christianity reclaimed it, and I don't see a path forward except for

the path through which our civilization was built, namely, you know, the spread of

the gospel.

Very well.

So you had mentioned a couple of things here that stand out in my mind.

One is this concept of a civilizational or sort of a rejection, if you will, by many people,

particularly people in power, what a lot of people call the Epstein class, what others

call the elites.

I don't call them the elites anymore because I don't see anything elite about them at

all.

I prefer the Epstein class, which a lot of people have picked up, but even that probably

is that describing people at more of an operational level than the folks at the really at the

top.

But I guess whatever terminology you want to use, we're dealing with a group of individuals,

probably a fairly small group with a tremendous amount of wealth and a tremendous amount of

influence behind the scenes that are pulling strings and manipulating circumstances in a

way that is perhaps not new, but seems to have been accelerated and increased at a level

to where more and more people are aware of that and are deeply disturbed by it.

And you know, that is perhaps a source of the angst for many of us, myself included,

to maybe just wasn't aware of things prior to COVID, to anywhere near the extent that

I am now.

Once you become aware of this sort of extreme wickedness in the world, what does Christ

say?

What does the Christian religion tell us that we have to do to cope with that, to find

a way to order our lives and obviously resist this, obviously succumbing and being part

of it is not an option.

So what do Christ and what do the greatest of Christian thinkers say that you do in such

times?

I'd say first, it's important to remember that this dynamic has always been there, that

sort of the bad people rise to power and they do whatever is necessary to maintain that

power.

We just read in the Gospel yesterday, I think it was about how Jesus's enemies, the

religious leaders in Jerusalem, were plotting even to kill Lazarus whom he had brought back

from the dead.

Because this miracle of life over death was awful to them because it was a threat to

their authority.

That's really dark when you think about it, right?

We need to put this guy back in the tomb because our power matters so much.

I do think we live in an era where technology has become a two-inch sword, right?

It's enabled them to be more effective.

Now you can have an international conspiracy and it's easy because of plain travel to meet

in person and it's also even easier to be in constant communication.

On the other side, it's meant that every move of theirs, it becomes harder and harder

to conceal, right?

On the positive side, we are getting more and more evidence of what this network looks

like, at least from the emails that are being released from Epstein's email account.

We really live in this strange, strange time where they are more dangerous but also more

exposed.

And maybe that's what's leading us there.

I think the most important thing for a Christian is to remember that we are truth-tellers, right?

Because one of the ways they manipulate us is that they convince us that it's safer

to be silent, it's safer to measure our language, it's safer to conform to the narrative

and that has never been the Christian way.

You know, in the early church, not getting yourself martyred, if you were brought before

the court, was considered an act of apostasy.

You couldn't pretend to worship the emperor, that was apostasy.

You couldn't bribe them for a certificate, that was apostasy.

You had to tell the truth because martyredem is witness and so if you refuse to martyred,

you're refused to witness and if we believe that the Lord is the Word, that means that

refusing to speak the Word is an offense directly against him.

And you know, to speak that truth but also to speak it in love is the primary toll we

have and there's nothing more terrifying to an elite in power than someone who can't

be bribed or threatened and we need a critical mass of that and we need to support each other

in community.

Very well.

Yeah, I think that going back to the stories of the early Christians is helpful for those

of us in the Christian dispensation because it's just the boldness.

You know, I've recently been reading the Acts of the Apostles and one of the phrases

that just keeps being told, recited over and over again, that Luke says the author of

the Acts, right?

St. Luke is, is there, the individuals full of the Holy Spirit, meaning to me that means

what it means literally but if you were there seeing it, it might be that person proclaiming

loudly and fearlessly and truthfully what they see to be the case regardless of the consequences.

And so yeah, I think that that's something that we have to realize and as you said, I

think something, I've come to this conclusion that it's perhaps counterintuitive or but

the notion that this isn't, there's really nothing new under the sun, that this is our

time to be in, in the lion's den, I guess.

And I encourage you and your good, your listeners, just Google the skull of St. Agnes.

She's one of my favorite saints.

Her skull is preserved in a side altar room.

She was 13 when she was martyred and when you see, because people ate differently, they

were far tinier back than when you just see how tiny that skull is and realize this teenage

girl set my spouse as Christ and nothing in this world can allore me.

It's challenging to us who are grown adults who are closer to death than birth and we sometimes

can't even manage to speak simple truths with this tinies, this tiny skull of this little

girl face martyrdom with such bravery.

Really, yeah, I will check, I will look at, look that up with, with interest, it's funny what

also creates interest in a person that's agnus is my grandmother's name so it gives me, I will,

it's funny what, what sometimes motivates someone to follow through on a suggestion but it sounds

like one well worth, worth, worth pursuing.

We're going to go to break right now and we're going to be back in just a minute.

We're going to pick up on this and I'm going to ask Father John to continue where we've

been going and also to think about how do we find the courage in times like these to speak the truth,

to speak out when not only is there tremendous pressure and risk to do so but when everyone

around you, it seems is staying silent.

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Welcome back ladies and gentlemen. This is Dr. Clayton J. Baker MD on the America Out Loud Pulse

program on the America Out Loud radio network, liberty and justice for all. Again, I'm back with

my dear friend and very respected priest, father John Nogel,

prokyl vicar of St. Augustine Parish and Beaver Falls, Pennsylvania, and one of the few priests who

spoke out and did everything as power during COVID to continue to bring worship and the mass

and the Eucharist to his parishioners during COVID, a frequent contributor to brownstone

journal as I am. And as I said before, the unofficial vicar, I guess, but certainly on official

chaplain of brownstone institute. And in the last segment, father John, we were talking about

speaking out and you gave the example of the early Christians and how it was

derigur for them. It was necessary for them to be brave, to be courageous, even at risk of

death, even at risk of severe punishment, that it was apostasy to stay silent. And in this day

and age, when we see so much terrible, terrible action going on from people in power,

if you're a Christian, if you're a Catholic Christian, if you're simply as you described

as a civilized human being, what do you say to people about developing the courage to speak out,

to speak truth? As you said, there's nothing that terrifies a tyrant more than a person who cannot

be shut up, who cannot be silenced, who cannot be bought. How does one act in that manner, if

their tendency, if perhaps their past behavior has been to keep their head down?

Well, I think that you need to focus on the simple question. What in whom do you love?

So, for the believer, love of God is supposed to be heart-mined in soul. Not a single part of us

is exempted, but we're also taught to love our neighbor as herself. And that begins with those

who are most in our sphere of influence. One of the ways we are so easily seduced is we love

something that's just short of that, right? And for a lot of us, I love my prestige. I love my

good name. I love my access to the table of polite, acceptable groups. I want my seat at the table.

That's actually a very hateful thing to do because, for example, if you have children,

do you want them to be in a world that's full of truth and love? Or do you want them to be in a world

that's governed by lies and violence? We bring into the world either truth and love or lies and

violence. And so, when we focus on what do we really love, then we realize that fitting in with bad

people is a really silly thing to want, right? And I often use this in my preaching. We're built

to fit in. But we can pick where we want to fit in, right? So if we look up in heaven and we see

all the martyrs and the saints and angels and say, that's the social group I want to be in.

And therefore, the opinion of people who don't want to be there doesn't seem to matter to me anymore.

I get a certain freedom from that, right? That there's nothing they can do to me. And once again,

even to the point of death, that can free me from wanting to belong there. And even more,

all these people are watching me, including those younger by children, my grandchildren, my God

children, all these people that look up to me. And if they see me not live a life of love and

truth, then I'm harming them. You know, when we summon that motive within us, we can do crazy

heroic things, right? We hear these stories of the mom who's who's suddenly filled with superhuman

strength based on adrenaline to pull the car off of her child, right? That can happen in us.

But only when we've actually gone down the path of being clear about what and who we love.

And all too often society numbs us so that we're not actually full of love at all. We've just

become kind of these selfish little wind up toys that bounce around from one thing to the next.

So the question is really, who do you really love? Who are you really here to serve? And, you know,

you brought up a really interesting question, really difficult question for me because being a father,

there is nothing and I can speak for I think many, many parents. I can certainly speak for

my wife as well. There is nothing that's more important to me than my children. I don't have

grandchildren yet. I hope to someday, although I bristle sometimes to think about the world they're

going to be brought into, but I am hardly the first person in history to feel that way, I'm sure.

And but anyway, there's nothing that matters more to me right now than my children. You know,

I grew up until COVID kind of blissfully unaware to a large extent of how wicked the world is.

And, you know, until you really get, you had a plan for life and as Mike Tyson says,

everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face. And COVID punched me and a lot of people

right in the face. And so when that happens, you say to yourself, how do I structure what I do

so that I not only equip myself well, that's important. You want to grow your own soul. You want to

not be unable to face your maker when the time comes, but also having this tremendous sense of

responsibility or sense of concern for the next generation. And not only your own progeny,

but the generation that is theirs. And it causes a great degree of distress for I think many people

nowadays. What are your thoughts on that? What are your thoughts on how to not only be true to

yourself, but to really look to try and serve and try and help future generations in times like

these? Make them as real as possible and imagine and imagine the harms that are being done.

For me, one of the things that most caused anger and don't be afraid of the word anger,

people, anger is an emotion. Sometimes it's righteous, sometimes it's sinful, but it's an energy

to change the world. I was watching people I had known for years have their personalities

deformed by the fear campaign that was being done in 2020. I was watching them change into something

I didn't know anymore and I knew it wasn't a positive or healthy change and I grew angry and

defensive. I was watching people who worked for a living have that taken away. I watched people

who ran small businesses. I have a dear friend. She's been cutting my hair for a decade and a half

more more by now. She's being forced to do things at home away illegally. When you see the

harm done, let yourself love and love means let yourself get angry. I still find examples every day.

We hear children's confessions this time of year. I can figure out whether or not they were public

school or Catholic school just based upon how far behind they are on their reading. You put a

prayer in front of them and they can't pronounce words even though they're at a grade level where

that should be really easy. Love is an openness to feeling the pain of what's happened and also

an openness to feeling an anger that yes is purified. It can't be a vengeful type of anger but to

feel that of like no I want I want to protect and provide and I want these harms to be addressed

and that once again society numbs us so much that we don't let ourselves feel that

and I think that's just why people stay paralyzed in an hurt even as they're watching people around

them harmed. It's really terrifying to me and I honestly do my very best not to

pass judgment upon others because I know through having become sort of a semi-professional

dissident now for I fear for the rest of my life since COVID that there were a number of people

that were aware of what was going on prior to COVID that I was less aware of these things and

so I'm a bit late to the game compared to to some but now I'm seeing in some ways just an

acceleration of the wickedness that was really set loose upon the world during COVID in so many

different ways and I will tell you it's it's amazing to me how long it takes me to really become

upset and outraged about what's going on and I don't want to be you know outraged all the time

I don't want to be professionally angry but for example it was since COVID that you know the terrible

injustices that's going on in with the war between Russia and the Ukraine persists and of course

that was something that I personally was aware of and was did not support however my sense of

outrage over what's going on now against Iran is at a different level and it's partly because I feel

that it's my country directly doing it rather than indirectly doing it and I also have just a

heightened level of awareness of what's taking place so what I'm trying to say I suppose is that

it's not that I feel like I know what's going on and everybody else doesn't but we're seem to be

that being said we're seem to be surrounded by a tremendous number of people who

for whatever reason kind of remain asleep and when you have been through COVID and you've again

been punched in the face how do people still remain asleep and is there anything we can do to

awaken them we can provide the conditions that might help them wake up I think that's one of the

things that we sometimes get too focused on is trying to fix or correct people people have their

reasons their sins their insecurities that keep them blinded and we who are believe that we're

working for the truth think that the truth itself is what shakes people often it's only when harm

comes to them or something shatters their stony hearts that they begin to realize you know just how

bad things were which is why I emphasize that the anger should be purified by love and also a

confidence that evil always overplays its hand because you need virtue to accomplish what they

want and because they don't have certain virtues they will always eventually lapse into a sort of

imprudence where they overplay their hand and they'll you know tick off just enough people where

there's where there's a response what we've seen this in some elections right it almost seems

like we get an over response every time now because you know the uniparty is doing its uniparty

things regardless of the outcome which leads to a potential danger in the future to simply be

calm confident and bold in the truth and some people will join others won't but in the sense that

happy indifference to the individuals who might take longer or maybe not at all is an additional

proof of the truth we're talking about right because we serve the truth we don't serve our ego

in this given place say that again to start of that sense I missed I didn't quite catch it um

I don't remember where I started because it was a bit of run on sentence in my head uh you know

we believe in the truth some will some will be convinced in the short term some in the long term

some not at all but are happy indifference to the individualist when or where it is actually an

argument in favor of the truth itself a happy indifference to when people convert right think of

the missionaries who showed up and all they all that happened for them was they got killed but then

the second or third wave that replaced them they they were successful well that doesn't mean the

first wave was unsuccessful the first wave set the stage for how true this message must be right

is that these people keep coming up coming back no matter how many times we off them

what about and I think you know I'm again it's it's very valuable to talk to someone who is

by profession by vocation close to god uh such as yourself that

you know I'm focused I find many times and what's going on on this planet right now

and I'm focused on things that I may be able to move the needle a little bit on

and I'm competing with that is trying to keep body and soul together and family together and

all that stuff but trying to square that with what is sort of beyond this life what is beyond

this these times how do you balance that or is there should there be a balance there

well we know neither the day nor the hour right so we just work hard in the moment like it all

counts on us trust on god's grace as if it all counts on him and we press forward

uh we do know that there will be a final test and a final trial we don't know if we live in that

or not I often make the argument that every generation kind of has its own dress rehearsal

as a way to convince us how unready we are so for example the world war two generation got a

real taste of what dystopian humanity left to its own devices then the cold war generation had a

real taste about what dystopian human tyranny looks like when we're left to our own devices

and certainly in 2020 we had our taste of what happens when we're left to our own devices

I honestly think that it's just a mercy of god that we're not put to the actual test but given

these given these dress rehearsals in the hope that maybe just maybe people will return to not a

vapid hope in mere human reason because we see how the the enlightenment was unsatisfying right

not a mere hope in human will we see how dangerous postmodernism has been that it's all will you know

I can be a boy even though I'm a girl or vice versa really it all comes down to are we going

to accept the plan that god has for us and I'm just convinced that he gives us these periods of time

in the hopes of maybe we'll wake up maybe they'll be a revival and I could tell you at least in

the short term it's a little blip statistical blip but Catholic churches are seeing an increased

interest in religion given how spent spectacularly we largely failed in 2020 I find that even more

interesting because people are seeking out the faith and not us loser clergy who are in charge

of running the thing in the meantime got it so I need to go to break I'm going to come back and we're

going to talk about that we're going to talk about a resurgence of religion that seems to be

happening and how we can hopefully use that to the benefit of civilization as you say this is

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in this final segment i'm going to be joined once again by father john nogal

parochial vicar of saint augustin perish beaver falls pennsylvania the diocese of

pidsburg a dear friend a trusted council of mine and of brownstone institute and in the last segment

father john you had touched on the and you're not the only one to have mentioned it incidentally the

religious resurgence that we have seen not only in the united states but i believe world wide

in the wake of the covid atrocities and i would like to have you continue to give your thoughts

on that why is it happening why is it important if you feel it is important and how can we use that

to seek justice in this troubled world it's a really interesting phenomenon night i don't think

i can give an easy answer to the question of why aside from the fact that it seems as though

there are a lot of people waking up to the fact that the status quo of where we are in this decline

of civilization doesn't have the set of tools and answers within itself to pull us out of this

that there is a sense that we do have to return to the wisdom of our ancestors to something that

is immutable something that is a known truth i sometimes use the computer analogy that if

if if everything's going astray that you have a way to return back to the last known good settings

it seems that there's a yearning for that and since we are a church that's two thousand years

older so there's this sense that we are the the stable influence that can maybe give order to life

and it's coming through a lot of different ways so for example you know you have the kind of

weak catholic spouse that's married to a non-catholic but they send their kids to our school because

they want to escape the the public school and then all of a sudden the kids are convincing the

non-catholic spouse to enter the church and they drink they they drag the weak catholic back along

with them into something a little bit more fervent so these stories that we're seeing they're

they're very spontaneous and indirect rather than the sort of you know well here's a great book i

read it once so now i'm fully on board um i can't tell you the number of marriages i've had to fix

up for people coming for other various needs on the journey back it's just it's been a very

different time this last year or two and uh it's certainly keeping us busy uh but it's it i

often say every coming to faith should be seen as a grace and a miracle and this is the situation

we've been put in and we just show up and and try to do what God's asking us to do in the moment

every coming to faith is a blessing in a miracle there's ultimately faiths the theological virtue

it's a gift that only God can give faith is a gift only God can give so with that in mind you

know and we're seeing this you know i'm a catholic Christian like yourself but but i've read articles

that this is happening in other faiths as well that this is something where people are returning

to belief in God to faith in God and i don't think and it's based on your description of what you

see and you're at you're kind of at the ground floor of this because you have people coming back

and asking you questions and so on it doesn't seem to me that it's out of sort of a last gasp or

you know this is the last chance saloon it's more that as you said there's there's an inadequacy it

seems which should be clear to everybody um that there's a total inadequacy to a technocratic

soulless world and i think that the closer we get to these things the more um people at least at

some level tend to reject them i know that for example with my kids and with friends of theirs

that i see that there there a lot of them are turning away from their phones a lot of them

are turning away from the technology they're they're self-limiting they're deleting apps they're

spending less time on social media they're um trying to do a lot a lot of them i'm seeing are

going back to sort of more antiquated technology if they're using technology so if they're listening

to music they want to listen to compact discs or even records rather than listen to streaming stuff

and i don't just read that phonograph records phonographs went up in sales for the first time

since the introduction of the cassette is is that i mean that's astonishing to me you know that's

it's it's it's it's not the same thing and i don't mean to equate that with returning to faith

but it does seem that there's a there's a rejection of visceral and i think spiritual i think it's

both i think it's visceral and it's spiritual although we talk about music there's certainly

an intense spirituality to much of music and i think that there is a visceral and a spiritual

rejection of what's going on in the world my hope is that that's something that will help and save

the younger generations but i hope that they are not enslaved to a point where they don't really

have much in the way of options it's an opportunity it's an opportunity however every opportunity

can be captured by darker forces so i do see this in some of the unpeople that were rather than

the religion of their immediate ancestors they want to go back even further to a sort of brutal

paganism that's sometimes surfaces well that they want to they want a type of a willful authoritarianism

that can do battle more effectively with the perceived enemy which i don't see as a stable

stable solution yes that's a sort of undirected anger that we just need sort of a Viking Lord

to lock their heads off or something there's certainly a temptation to go in that direction but

that becomes the matter of becoming what your enemy is going over to the dark side if you will

and so what are your thoughts about the question of you had said earlier are we willing to accept

the circumstances that god has placed us in you mentioned something very much along those lines

in the last segment and i wrote it down because i thought it was very telling you know at some point

you know i would just like i'm very disturbed as you know with all of the geoengineering

activities that are going on over our heads every day they've got to a point where basically

for better for worse i think it's for better people most people really don't think they're just

water vapor anymore it's too obvious the weather's too ridiculous it's too manipulated and

there's just too many of those lines in the sky but at any rate you know that's something

that truly as you said anger that makes me so angry because it's just this want and destruction

of nature and the people that somehow think this is desirable what are you going to leave behind

for yourself even if you are one of these people with a bunker and when there's only five and

or a million people you can presumably come out and you're much wealthier because 15-16th

of the population is no longer here what's going to be left and on the one hand i'm reminded of

George Carlin's comment that saved the planet he says the planet doesn't need saving the planet's

not going anywhere we are and you know my concern is in this segment right now is how do you

manage how do you function keep yourself functioning well in a world where we see just recurrent

recurrent signs whether it's gain of function you know marty mackery from FDA essentially came out

and said not FDA but well yeah FDA but marty came out and just said that yeah line disease was

cooked up in the lab they've been weaponizing ticks for all these years you know and we've

got 1,500 gain of function labs there's another 1,500 around the world we're doing all this geo

engineering it's happening all over the world and there's just this want and weaponization and

destruction of nature and i'm not even talking about all of the destruction of natural resources

and so on that goes on in these war zones how do we function as to use your words civilized people

Christians from any of us but civilized people in a world where it's obvious that powerful people

are simply wantonly destroying nature and and just destroying weaponizing nature

God calls us from wherever we are and we all have spheres of influence right

summer small summer larger but we all live in families we all live in communities

we are called to influence those and to make it better you know it's one of the remarkable

things brownstone's been doing is the we're trying to get supper clubs going why because we function

better in community and even if it's only a dinner where there's maybe a couple dozen people

the idea is that we're connecting we're purifying our thinking we're supporting each other

and but now we're a visible group that can then go out and influence even more

you mentioned you know you know they're the cell phones and the technology how how how how

atomizing that all is right it's just you and your Spotify list and your YouTube algorithm

it does really disconnect us from community and it's not saying that there isn't a place for

that life but you still need to be able you know how how many people are never are at the local bar

or or community center even interacting with anyone you know if we learn to be comfortable in

ourselves amongst others both strangers and the people we know and simply raise consciousness

raise awareness of what's going on that's how the world changes you know we can shake our

fist at the sky the whole time but no one no no one other than God's listening and he's telling

you to get to work down there and stop yelling yes very well so really at that level of

interpersonal and well not even interpersonal just personal relationships personal interactions

and you know that's something that you know I think that many of us that see this these times

as being very dark struggle with one of the reasons I struggled myself I'll be very honest is

and again this is not meant to be condescending this is not meant to be self righteous if it sounds

that way I apologize but the notion that so many people seem to be simply unaware of what's going

on or or or perhaps again I don't want to be condemnatory but they're aware at a level but they

don't seem to care you know the notion right now that boggles my mind that our country which is

done at many many times so again I'm late to the table but I'm at the table now you know that our

country has repeatedly simply gone into other countries and sought to dominate and plunder and

doesn't even go through the legal within its own legal framework doesn't even go through the

process of getting the permission to go to war that we do this time and time and time again

and we're doing it again now know that we do it while we also have a culture that yells at

missionaries of a prior generation we just bring bombs they brought the gospel and somehow

we're the good guys I don't buy that logic I don't either and I think that I think that the degree

psychological projection that has to be involved there you were saying how you know they always

overplay their hand and perhaps that's part of the reason is because it's so psychologically

invalid to do what is happening right now that and it's done again it's the story of history right

but but it it's so psychologically unbalanced that it's almost impossible that someone could

know when to stop they almost have to go too far you know I had said once I think it was that one

of the brownstone talks where someone said well you know how long has this been going on and I

said well have you read the Iliad because what do you have in the Iliad you have a guy named

Agamemnon who's an absolute tyrant who's willing to sacrifice his own children to go to war

um who uses a false pretense basically a false flag that his brothers wife ran away with

somebody else as a pretense to go and fight a war for control of a trade bottleneck it was the

Dardanelles in that case rather than the Straits of Hormuz but I mean you know it's the same story

and what happens he ends up being killed his whole you know most of the people that went to war

with him ended up being killed and Troy is utterly destroyed and it's just an absolute catastrophe

thank you so much father John this is Dr Clayton J. Baker M.D.

and the marica out loud pulse program marica out loud radio network liberty justice