Best of the Bills on WGR: First Impressions of Bradley Chubb & Draft Chatter

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Yeah, I mean, Chad, listen, again, there's a guy,

grew up in the Carolinas as an NC State fan, so you can actually

watch probably more of their game before you even flip the film on, you know,

before his year of eligibility to the draft.

So, I've known him for his career.

When Vaughan was here, Vaughan was always talking about Bradley Chad,

and, you know, he can still rush to the past, right?

He's here, he's here, he walked through my door, he filled up the door frame,

and he's a big man, and I think he's a complete three-down player.

And so, I would say, you know, when he's on the field,

if you want to run at him, he's going to handle it.

He can also rush the passer.

Bill's GM Brandon Bean, that's on the centered on Buffalo podcast,

Eric Wood, talking with Brandon Bean about Nick Chubb.

Sorry, Bradley Chubb, not Nick Chubb.

Nick Chubb, where's he?

Anywhere, not with the Texans anymore, right?

I don't think he's anywhere, no.

Bradley Chubb, he can also rush the passer.

They're going first round, defensive end.

I've also already started the war,

I'm working on a marketing campaign, if you want.

On defensive end, in the first round?

Well, we gotta give it a snazzy name.

You know how it works?

Yeah.

The wide receiver train has been around for a long time.

I've got some nominees.

Okay.

This is what I did yesterday, it was off yesterday.

And that's true.

What are you, are we calling it the rusher, something rusher?

I've got three, I've got three, okay.

Yeah, you want these?

Yeah, sure.

All right.

Yeah, if we're gonna be silly and stupid with it

because that's what I tend to want to do,

I've got one that's called the bendy bus.

The bendy bus?

Yes.

Because not just edge rusher, they need a bend.

Really, they need a bendy edge rusher.

Yeah, that's right.

The bendy bus.

The pressure pickup.

Okay, you know what I mean?

The pressure pickup?

Yeah.

It's like a pickup truck.

Pressure.

Oh, yeah, now that.

Okay, and then one more.

Not a fan.

A sledge sledge.

How do you like that?

No?

The sledge?

I'll see myself out.

Sledge, yeah.

Like a sledge hammer?

Like a sledge that you, like a sledge is like a bob sledge.

Oh, like a sledge.

Okay.

There's a mode of transportation.

Not a sledge, but a sledge.

A sledge, yeah.

You can use it on like, I wasn't familiar

that there was also a sledge.

Yeah, the edge sledge.

How about the rusher roost?

Roost?

You're in your, you know, we're wanting to pass rusher.

Roost is a nest sort of.

Yeah.

I'm into it.

What about like the rusher rover?

Russia, whatever.

We're working on it.

We're shopping.

We've got, we've got, we've got, we'll have a meeting

after this show.

We've got a mind meld here.

Defensive and,

Defensive and dozer, defensive dozer or something.

Bulldozer.

I don't know.

Because the water seeker train just kind of came to us all.

Anyway, that's Brandon Bean on Bradley Chubb.

And AJ Abinessa is going to the browns.

One year, five million.

I put up a little, you know, fun Twitter poll.

It's not, it's just, was that a good second round pick?

Is Abinessa a good second round pick

or maybe the better way to ask it?

Is Abinessa a good example of what a second round pick

often is?

Guy, that's on your team.

That's probably a place that are six seasons.

And because the bills, they just traded away

a second round pick and I think a lot of the discourse

about DJ more on the prices, what they could have instead.

And the second round for the bills has been

Keon Coleman, Cole Bishop,

AJ Abinessa, Cody Ford,

Zay Jones, right?

See a second round pick?

Wait a second round pick?

Yeah.

So there's some good, some bad James Cook.

Late second round pick.

And, you know,

AJ Abinessa, where's he fall?

Kind of right in the middle.

The good pick.

I mean, he played a lot.

He played a lot of snaps over six years.

And he made a couple plays.

Wasn't usually the plays he would make

that you remember though, his hands are up in the air

and he bats a ball the near subset.

Yeah, or somebody picks off a pass.

Yeah.

I can't remember a big sack.

You remember all a sack?

No, I was gonna say big sack.

I don't know if I can remember.

Ah, sack.

He has 24 sacks in six seasons.

He had three seasons of six or more sacks.

Me, he had them.

Yeah, he got it the whole time.

But he had a couple of six sacks seasons, right,

with this team.

Yeah.

Not to say he'd never have a row.

Not to say he'd never have a big sack.

Just, right, not exactly like the game record players.

The guy that played and did a job and was pretty good.

I guess at that job,

if I really parsed like whether he was a good pick,

it's probably got to be yes.

I guess just because he played.

He always frustrated me in that.

He's the guy that I felt like was on the field

because they were missing on their other

defensive end investment, right?

Yeah.

Oh, Von got hurt.

All right, I guess AJ Epinessa is going back in the game.

Oh, Boogie Basham can't play football.

Oh, I guess AJ Epinessa is going in there.

You know, like Bosa, oh, he's getting hurt again.

Oh, I guess AJ Epinessa has got to go in and play.

Like he was always the guy that went in

when the guy that being invested in wasn't doing it for them

or wasn't available for them.

Like that's kind of how I view him.

So I guess he's a good, he's a fine pick.

He's probably exactly the median for second round.

Okay.

Maybe he should be thought of as a little bit above that.

I bet odds would tell you that he's a little bit

on the higher end of the curve.

It's just that it's a little bit of a trap.

It depends, are you comparing him to Boogie Basham?

That's one of me.

Because there are a lot of Boogie Basham.

Or are you comparing him to Nick Benito,

who was a second round pick and is a thousand times

the player.

You know, it's the variance that you get

in the draft a little bit.

Anyway, the Twitter poll was AJ Epinessa a good pick.

Yes, no, or the other option is just the shruggy emoji

like shrugging.

I don't know.

It's pretty much split a third all the way across it.

Yes, no, and I have no idea.

I think he had a touchdown for the same.

Epinessa?

Yeah, against Washington.

I want to say.

I'll take your word for it.

That's a game they won by a lot.

Yeah, they blew him out in Washington.

I think that's one of those battered balls up in the air

that I think he, that I think he returned.

I think he also picked off my homes.

Yes, who so did in his rookie season.

I mean, he had, Epinessa had four interceptions

in his bills career.

Two of them actually were last year.

You got he got one against burrow after the, after the,

that was the next way.

I don't think he got that.

Did he bat that one though?

I don't know, but he got the ball.

I don't think he batted that one because I remember thinking

the only reason he was in that position to make the pick

is because he could not get near the quarterback.

But hey, right, right spot, right time.

I guess it worked out for him.

I'm pretty sure he picked my homes off in a,

I guess it would have been a regular season game though.

This isn't have one in the playoffs.

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remembering some guys for the tournament and all that.

Lance Lysowski, the Buffalo News has another piece up.

His conversation with Brandon Bean,

we mentioned earlier in the week

that we got some of the inside information

about how they would have gone for Max Crosby,

how the two first drum picks did not scare the bills off.

The second piece Lance has written about this conversation

is about Dawson Knox and how Brady says,

I didn't feel good about Dawson being back.

He wanted to be back, but Dawson's a starting tight end

in this league, losing him was going to be a huge hole

in our offense.

And the story of this goes down like,

here's bean on this.

We wanted his talent.

We also wanted his leadership

and it's hard to put a price on that.

So you're trying to strike that balance

where the player doesn't feel disrespected,

where you're also putting some things in their deal

if things go their way, they can earn some more money.

I think we found that.

Those can be hard.

Sometimes those discussions start with any player,

like, jeez, you want me to come down to here?

I don't know, let me think about it.

It's like, yeah, I can't do that.

And whatever, like he comes back.

Knox comes back.

It observation, you tell me if you notice this too, observation.

The bills are obviously very public right now,

like bean and Brady, there are a lot of places

doing a lot of interviews.

And I think fans enjoy that and appreciate hearing

from the GM and hear from the coach.

They like to or they seem to consistently present

how close different outcomes are all the time.

It's, we wanted to make a trade.

We didn't make a trade.

We wanted Crosby, didn't do that.

Maybe it would have gone differently.

We wanted Hendrix and couldn't do that.

We didn't think we were going to get Knox

turns out we did.

Over and over and over again,

it really is a consistent message

that a lot of these decisions could go either way.

And this is how we got here.

But it really could have gone either way.

Here's that coach thinking Dawson Knox

was maybe not going to come back.

So with those negotiations a little more contentious

than we think, like they got him back.

Conor McGovern.

Conor McGovern was almost gone.

I hadn't talked to the GM since the end of the season.

And then the quarterback gets involved

and makes a phone call on both sides

and kind of bridges the gap.

So how so many of their moves seem to be very close

to being other moves.

Just an observation.

They like to kind of point that out.

That is it.

And that's the draft, too, is it not?

The draft is,

well, that definitely all the time.

Like why you go up a couple of picks

because I don't think we're going to get this player

if it were, it's the King Cade pick

or if it's, you know, it's just every move,

so many moves are so close to being another move.

And I feel like I want to appreciate

that that's probably very true of most teams.

But I don't know how often other teams

are willing to tell you that.

Does it serve them well to be telling people

this often that they are in on the big moves

and not getting it done?

Because part of me thinks,

I don't think you want to tell people that

over and over and over.

We tried on this guy, didn't happen.

We tried on this guy, didn't happen.

We tried on this guy, didn't happen.

Especially when they're all like good player,

like top players, like it's Waddle and it's Max Crosby

and it's Hendrickson and their examples in the past

that they've talked about.

I think was there, was there a McCaffrey story at one point?

Maybe that was just that they called.

They were linked to running backs all the time

until folks break out.

But the other part of me thinks maybe that is good for you

that it's better for you than the alternative,

which is people thinking that you're not even

trying on these things.

Like you want them to get the job done

and get the deals done on top players,

but not telling anybody that you were even in on it.

Well then I'd think of like the last one, Kevin Adams did,

right?

And what was the reputation there?

Well, you're not even trying anymore to get these things.

Kevin Adams was, and that's not a good look either,

if people think you're not even making the call

and making an attempt.

Yeah.

Kevin Adams was, hey, is this possible?

And then I feel bad for our fans

because people report things that aren't true.

Right.

And then the guy that he's talking about

gets traded months later.

So I don't think that's better,

because I did see a little of that yesterday,

like are they sure they want to be telling people

that they keep striking out on all of these top players?

I think it is probably better than not saying anything at all.

I think it's, again, if we want to play the game

of who wants me to know this, in this case,

they want you to know this.

They want you to know this.

That's the one saying it.

Over over again, it's we were in here.

We wanted this, we tried this.

You know, the deadline,

being went so far as to talk about how difficult it is

to deal with other GMs because they grew up playing

Madden or something like that.

Right.

There seems to be a little bit of a consistent message

from being about how hard it is, how hard all of it is.

It's difficult.

This is tough.

We're up against the cap.

We've got these limitations.

We've got this and that.

Whether it's, you know, the quarterback makes a lot of money,

which they've not said as much lately,

but you know, they were on that,

banging that drum for a little while.

I think people kind of grew a little weary of that,

but it's a consistent message of like,

we really are close to losing this player

and close to making this trade.

And this, everything is on a razor's edge.

So it's an observation.

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Is there an offseason where McGovern and Nox are both gone?

All right.

See, it's funny.

All differences, like those are big,

are those not big moves?

Is there an offseason where they?

Look out for McGovern, it's certainly big.

Is there an offseason where if Baltimore

doesn't make the offer for Crosby,

the bills have Crosby, no more, no McGovern, no Nox?

I wonder, I really wonder what the offseason looks like

if they don't sign Conner McGovern,

which is where it appeared to be headed.

And maybe the GM was headed that way

before the quarterback made a couple of phone calls.

What was going to happen?

He says, we didn't have the money,

we couldn't play in that space where Hendrix and Gotto

in the bidding with the Ravens and other teams.

I don't know, he didn't mention the Ravens,

but that it got too expensive.

What did it have been too expensive?

If you hadn't paid a bunch of money to your center

a week before, would you have been able to do that?

Would you have been able to stay in on the Max Crosby sweepstakes

without going back on another move to create room

if you had not paid your center a big contract,

four years, 52 million, like I wonder what,

because they would have done something else with that money.

Maybe they would have just paid a different center,

but I don't know.

That was seemingly headed for this guy's going to walk

and he's going to go get a big money deal somewhere else.

And then the story gets written by Tim Graham a week before

and then the quarterback gets involved to some extent

and now he's here.

And it's not even that bad a contract, right?

Like it's not like it's, it's, oh man,

they signed Conor McGovern to five million more

than he probably should have gone for.

He got less than he was really seemingly going to get

on the open market, but it doesn't mean

that they weren't going to be able to do something else

had they not brought him back.

They would have.

It's just what is it?

And I, it's tough not to dream about

would they have been able to land one of the star pass rushers

that they said they wanted to get and were in on

if they had had that little bit of extra room and flexibility.

803 05 50 that clip we played at the beginning about

a job and, and being on job.

I just, I'm so convinced their first round pick

will be an edge rusher because when he's talking about

job, like this is a guy who got eight and a half sacks

last year with, with Miami, he's been a good player.

He's a very high pick.

But when you talk about how he can, he's big, he's this,

he's that point of attack rush and he can also rush the passer.

I think they want somebody at that position

who their primary skill set is rushing the passer.

And maybe that's Chubb and that's just the way

that he's talking about Chubb with Eric Wood.

Isn't Chubb kind of in their, shouldn't he be more viewed

as their upgraded AJ epinessa?

I think, yeah, he's a, he's an AJ epinessa

and you hit the upgrade button.

Like he, and he is a better player than AJ.

Yeah, yeah, no doubt.

And Epinessa got five million and Chubb got, what, like 13.

Right.

Yeah, but that's, but that's, but that's one in and one out.

Right. And he wins.

So when he wins, it's like one of the things about Chubb

is when he wins, he doesn't win quickly.

That's kind of like Rousseau is like that.

Like these guys have value.

That's why, you know, joking at the beginning of the second,

like the bendy boss and the edge.

I just find the guys in, it's either the end of the first

or the third round, now that you know the second,

where they're going to just want to try to find somebody

that is speed bend edge because they are still seeking that.

That's what Vaughan was before we got her.

And they are definitely still very much missing that

at the position.

Like, and I ho, ho, hoi, maybe is the closest,

I don't even know, I don't even know if you would want

to describe him that way.

I don't think you would, like Solomon is the guy you would

want to describe from, for that.

And he's such a low level player on the, on the scope

of what that position is for you that you might as well

consider that you don't have it.

You don't have a guy that's going to play meaningful snaps.

That is that type of player.

So I'm like, I'm with you.

Like I would be, I would be stunned if they don't come

away with a guy like that with at least one of their first two

picks, if not their first round pick, if they didn't get it

in the first round, I would be like bang, like they are going

to do this in the third round.

And even then it's like, oh, you're doing it in the third round.

That position goes and goes fast.

Like what first, it really does feel like first round.

Unless they do with Joe Marino said yesterday with me,

which is they're going to trade down and they'll pick like

multiple times in the second round.

And that's where you'll do it.

Find your way to the 26th pick being two firsts.

I'm sorry, being two seconds.

Maybe it's a second and what a third.

I mean, depends how far down the second you're also going.

Sure. When they moved from where they were in the Coleman year

to the first pick of the second round, that was a third round pick.

It was another, sorry, it's another pick slide.

The funny enough guy in Twitter, Victor pointed out to me.

There is a team that has two second round picks that could do it.

And it's the bears, but yeah, that you're going to trade for your own pick back.

They'd be kind of funny if they did.

Yeah, to your point by the draft value chart, the amount you would have to go down

in the second round, just on the value chart.

Which is any pick your chart.

It's 700 points for the 26th pick.

It's 350 points for the 10th to last pick in the second round.

So 55.

So two bottom 10 second round picks would get you 26.

And the trade down idea, I don't think ever, ever comes up with them going that far down.

Yeah, it's, you go down 10 picks.

Maybe you even go down 15 picks, but they're not going down 30 picks.

Right. I wouldn't think so.

If they go down 15 picks, maybe they get a fourth round or out of the deal.

And they had somebody of the back half of the draft.

And even doing that, you have to have a team that wants to get into that spot.

I think it, maybe there will be one thing I want to point out.

Second and a third would be equivalent by this to like the 26 pick, like a mid third.

So you, you might be able to get a third out of it.

One thing to point out, Hayden Winks had this yesterday about the edges,

directorate underdog, that the round two and three edges are much better athletes

than the ones that are being projected at the end of round one.

At the end of round one, like the, the depth class has better athletes in round two.

And if you look at mocks today, like consensus mocks,

there's value in the edge class in rounds two and three.

Can the bills afford to wait to the end of round three for their edge?

I don't think there's any way they can.

So that's, no, that's why I feel like there's a level of me taking crazy pills here, Joe,

because everybody wants to keep telling me receivers is probably still in the mix in the first round.

And I just, I refused to believe that they would do it. Joe said it with me again.

Yes. I know. I know. I think it doesn't mix like I could sit here and make the case.

But they're, all this, it's the defense.

It's the defense. They've been chasing defense for years.

They fire Sean McDermott. They're still chasing defense.

They're chasing the edge rusher position for years and years and years and years.

Epinessa now leaves. We thought maybe he could come back, but he probably leaves because Bradley Chubs here.

Like you said, he's an upgraded Bradley Chubb or Chubs, an upgraded Epinessa.

They are going to absolutely do whatever it takes to get a speed rusher.

That's the, and I don't think they're willing to wait till the 91st pick to do it.

I guess I would ask what's the, how many positions would outrank receiver right now?

And maybe that doesn't matter because if it's, if you think it's 95% that they're going to draft a speed rusher,

then we're talking about what, which, which position is 3% instead of two?

That depends. Are we approaching it from the mindset of the offense is good and got a receiver or is the way

we're looking at it as Josh Palmer, Keon Coleman are going to be on the field a lot.

Do we think that's good enough?

Or is it from what's the best value position wise when they're on the board?

That it's, you know, the big, big conversation a year ago that, you know, fired off everything about receivers

was that my question was, do you value the position on par with your peers?

Other teams take this position highly.

The bills never do, Coleman's the only one that they've drafted one with a top 100 pick.

So if they get to 26 and it's a coin toss between the receiver and they love that receiver and the ed rusher

and they love that ed rusher, you know, that coin toss is going to do every time.

It's, it's, it's a, it's a weighted coin.

It's going to the ed rusher.

I've seen them do it for five, six, seven years.

There have been receivers worthy of picks and defenders worthy of picks.

And they've leaned on defenders and for a long time, people have thought that's

McDermott's influence and maybe it was maybe, you know, in a, in a different year,

it goes a different direction.

I just think that given their roster makeup, where they look like they are, how many needs

they have on their defensive side of the ball.

It could be a linebacker.

It could be an ed rusher.

It could be a safety.

I've seen more and more safety seems busy now, doesn't it though?

It could, but they've got a lot of safety.

They took a safety in the second round in cold bishop.

And maybe Jim Liner thinks he's going to build his long term.

It depends on the board.

Like there's, but I think linebacker, certainly that's right to point.

Linebacker, speed ed rusher, you could say guard.

Maybe you could say guard.

So you don't have to convince me receiver matters.

I just can't, I will not get myself to thinking they're going to take a receiver

at 26 because I think they're going to take an ed rusher no matter what.

All right.

Like ed rusher, there's really no defense for it.

Cause I could, I could sit here and say, like what are the, like a speedy, a bend.

Yeah, no, right.

A specific, specific type.

They need, they need that specific guy that there's no, no one on the roster.

Right.

I guess if that guy's not there for them, though, at that pick, and then you do start

getting into the other positions, like sure, the odds of them liking and still

being committed to one of Josh Palmer or Keon Coleman, I think are really high.

I think it's Palmer, Elf the two, but one of the two, it's probably pretty

high. Does it have to be more of a commitment than they have to Dorian Williams to be a starter

right now?

Do they, yes, they've done faith in Josh Palmer or Keon Coleman to be a contributor right

now than they would have in Dorian Williams.

I think that they would, cause those two have let you down.

Dorian Williams hasn't even really had a chance to let you.

All right.

But sure, that's true.

Just the, if you're going to politics and how much you need that player or how much

you would benefit from that player being again, the offense has the built in always

but it's good.

And if it's good, they've used the offense being good to justify being bad at part of

it. It's a good cares.

The offense is good.

We don't need anybody out there.

We scored 30 points.

And a lot of people will say this to me.

And I think that's a fair thing to say if they had a better defense all these

years, or if they had game records on the defensive side, maybe their outcomes would

be different.

And he, I've got him in this off season saying, Crosby, Hendrickson, then getting

Chubb, you're hunting in the Crosby Hendrickson waters.

You're drafted into the defensive end with Ben.

I, I just wonder what is going to happen then if, like, because that is not even just

we're narrowing it down to a position.

It's a tight at a position.

Cash is how all that, not that these guys are the exact same as like Hendrick, but

just you're going to, you're going to say a guy that gets there in less than two and a

half seconds is what I gotta, I gotta find a guy that gets there fast.

And my wonder is if that guy isn't there for them when they pick at 26, what are they

going to do?

Are they going to reach 15 picks down to get that type of player?

I gotta argue that's the way to go.

Or if they, if they do pivot to something else, there's only so many things right now

that they could really pivot to.

Yeah.

A or they could trade down 803 05 50 could trade down or the draft is a month and a

week away.

Yeah.

Like four, is it five weeks from tonight?

Yes.

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The Denver Broncos being able to get them?

This is the same Denver Broncos team that was the number one team.

Same Denver Broncos team that had 68 sacks, four shots of an all-time record by the Chicago

Bears in 1984.

Same Denver Broncos team that would have been in the Super Bowl if both Nick's hadn't

gone down.

And now you let them get Jaila Wattle?

That's how I'm looking at this Buffalo and Denver are two elite teams in the AFC.

And I think you let the other team get Jaila Wattle instead of getting him yourself.

They were talking before the training deadline about getting water.

I could say the water better than DJ Moore.

I know DJ Moore got a great upside.

But I think I'm looking at Jaila Wattle and I'm saying, is electrifying as that brother

can be when healthy?

He's somebody that should have been in Buffalo.

Steve and A Smith, interesting to hear him talk and sound like maybe there's something

there he actually thinks and it's not just all made up, I think it's better than DJ

Moore.

Okay, well a lot of people do.

I could, you can't assume somebody doesn't believe that if they say it.

Rare to hear him say something that he might actually believe.

I agree.

Sienna and Duke, Sienna up four, I saw a stat during their last, before the last time

out.

I'm not sure this has changed, but it's amazing.

I wonder how rare this is.

They've not made a substitution.

Really?

Yes.

Unless they just did during a break, they have not used anybody from their bench.

That must be their, that must be their M.O.

I wouldn't think you get to the tournament and suddenly start doing that.

If you go eight deep, you're into it or whatever, even deeper than that.

Wow.

Can you beat Merrimack with eight deep or ten or twelve, sure, but for Duke, we're just

playing as five.

Get your sleep, guys.

We can even need you.

The adrenaline's got to be there.

Will they wear out?

Right.

I don't know.

I don't know anything about sort of their habits, but they did show now Duke within one point.

They did show the graphic during, out of the last time out, that Sienna had not made

a sub.

All right.

We're in.

We're, you know, what are we?

Ten minutes into the second half.

Yeah.

Almost.

Yeah.

Wow.

That is hardcore.

Any thoughts on takeaways from Jeremy Khan on Crosby?

Bills were supposed to be in on him too.

The bills were, the bills are always in on everybody.

I feel like we've talked to him enough times.

I want to trust him.

He's going to come on our show and tell us they really wanted to do this.

The numbers, I guess, you know, if you can lower the one contract to make it work for

a year, your commitment, maybe to Hendrix is maybe going to be that law.

I don't know.

It's amazing to me that they would have tried to do that.

And as much as, you could say, well, we've been bad.

We know this has hurt us.

So we're going to double up.

I just think it would have been like the bills need that help.

If they traded for Crosby and then, and didn't back out of it, and then signed trade,

have no sign on top of it, I think, I think we're outside bringing me to house.

I mean, that's where we know where he lives.

But you know what I mean?

Like, what are you doing?

Really?

Who's going to play receiver for you?

You can't get two of these guys get one of each.

We need a big name receiver, a big name password, you're get one of each.

Don't get two guys.

It will make me question.

That's why I asked him, like, is it shake your faith in the organization at all?

Like that they wanted to do that, because that just seems, and it seems a little reckless

to me, maybe even a lot reckless, just why I couldn't believe it as an explanation.

When Shepter said it, and then the GM said Crosby thought, or Hendrickson thought, actually,

that they would play together.

Yeah, that they wanted to have both of them play there.

Yeah, I mean, I'm standing down on being skeptical about it.

I believe Jeremy, you know, come on our show and tell us that.

It just blows my mind.

It's the kind of thing that would make me worry about, what are you doing over there?

What kind of team are you trying to build?

Like, you'll be great at this one thing, but man, I don't know, there's just a lot of

assets to pour into one thing, so I wouldn't have liked the bills to do that.

One or the other, yes.

What about in a vacuum, though?

Like for the bills to have done it, I think you're saying that would preclude DJ more,

you know, or a bigger, or any sort of bigger, senior gets that's it.

Those are my big moves in an off season, and I just think that's too much in one bucket.

Are you saying, though, it also that it wouldn't have been popular?

No, oh, no, who's at his house?

No, you're at his house.

I'm at his house, yeah, I guess you're right.

Yeah, you should, good job calling me on that.

No, a lot of people would have loved it, and they would have hated me because I'd have

been going, what are you doing?

Yeah, two of these guys is too much, so that's, you know, for me, the walking off

point of being skeptical about the explanation was that I couldn't believe an organization

would really willfully choose to do that.

I just think that seems nutty to me.

So no, you're right, Bill, I think fans would be like, oh, we're going to murder you.

And then, you know, the games are going to start, and the quarterbacks are going to get

rid of the ball in two seconds, and oh, we got to pass for us, win rate has been excellent.

Yeah, great, three years for that.

Yeah, the success rate of edge rusher.

Yeah, I think it would have been a terrible idea.

But no, I think it probably would have been wildly popular, because those guys are super

famous, and you know, we all know the bills can't get Patrick my homes on the ground,

so like that's their big failing.

And so yeah, I think it probably would have gone over great, and I would have been in

real trouble, because I would have hated it.

You would not have been allowed in to the Buffalo Creek casino, right?

It would have said, oh no, why are you here's that guy?

You got to be so, you know, everybody's happy.

Why do you have to be so negative?

I'm sorry, I think it's just happened in same ideas.

I love with those guys.

I love when negative is brought up.

Who was I listening to recently?

Maybe it was Jeremy and Joe talking, because I do listen to Jeremy and Joe, very easily

could have been them, but some reference to being negative.

And it's never the right point.

Negative is irrelevant.

Positive, negative, irrelevant, completely irrelevant concepts for anybody doing this

job that cares, like, you know, I don't know about Stephen A Smith, but that cares about

it in a real way, completely irrelevant.

There's no point, that negative is maybe the result.

If you're criticizing a move, well, okay, then you're being negative.

Yeah, thanks.

I know, I get it.

That's kind of what comes with being critical.

That's the same thing.

It sounds like when you're accused of it, it's like negative, people think it's like

you're objective, and it's never that, it's never positive or negative, it's trying

to be right and be honest.

And all right, so yeah, sometimes negative, though, it's like the worst criticism, because

it's not at all what it's about, like when you're trying to make an argument, negative

is irrelevant.

Yeah, honesty is absolutely, I mean, I think even, I don't think we exactly went

hard at the Bradley Chubb signing, but I know, like the pre, it happened right, we found

out about it late in the segment, and you asked me like, is he good, like, I don't, I don't

know, I don't think, I'm not really, I don't know, he said no, I know, okay, right, sorry,

I'm, I see, you know what, I'm, I'm hedging because I know, because I got smacked around

for that.

Like, what do you want?

Like, if you, if you want me to just say, I love everything they do, then you're yet

the wrong guy.

You get the wrong show.

No, I'm going to be honest with you, and I just, do I think he's a good player that

will help them some, yeah, but is he, is he matched, cross me?

Is he trained, head to chin?

I don't think so, you know, we're going to hear a lot about, he's, well, he's a better

all around player than those guys who play, they're, okay, I don't, yeah, I think three

down player, like, but I don't, I'm sorry, I don't need help stopping the run.

What, what, what I need help doing is kicking the quarterbacks ass, and, and I, I don't

know if he's going to do, he's not, I don't expect them to do that on the lead level,

they'll get eight sacks.

Good.

Is somebody that goes 25, 25, a better all around player than like Aaron Judge, maybe,

but who cares?

Right.

Who's worth more?

Right.

I don't care if Max Crosby, like, isn't an all around player, yeah, what he's going

to do, if he's right, is really important, and I should be able to find someone else

who could do the other stuff, you know, 803, 0550, Duke, the number one team in the nation,

in the tournament, down one with 546 left.

You're rather watching that already, or you don't care about it, and then here I am

telling you, maybe there's something, you're driving, maybe you do care, thank you, thank

you for listening.

Yeah.

We will talk to Paul, but not until six, get into some more Saber stuff here, been having

a lot of fun with them, and I mean, these are kind of like the evergreen topics and questions

when it comes to the Sabers, I wonder what, actually, let me stop there.

What the big question you have as a fan is about what's going to happen here, like, is

there a player, is it a goalie thing, is it Lindy, is it something, there's no more

trade potential, right, we're past that, so just like, what, I don't want to say what

are you worried about, because it's such a positive vibe with them already, you know,

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Sound like Danny Zuko there.

You know me, rockin' and rollin'.

A little grease reference for you.

Okay, rockin' and rollin' here on A2's.

They ever watch grease.

You like grease?

I never watch grease.

Every day I'm reminded how old I am in this place.

Every day I'm reminded how much older I'm getting in this place.

Around these very young talented broadcasters and producers, I get reminded of that.

But it's a classical, do you like, actually, do you like, um, like dance movies, like movies

with dance in them?

Is that your thing at all?

You're lookin' to me at like, no, no, you're not like it.

I can watch it.

I'm not gonna go out of my way and be like, oh, I gotta get home and watch.

La la la la, and tonight.

Like I am.

I'm not that type of guy.

No, I am though.

I am.

Like I love a good dance movie.

Like there's a dance scenes and movies.

I'll YouTube dance scenes and movies.

A lot.

I love watching.

It gets me energized and pumped up.

I like to dance a little bit.

A lot maybe, actually.

But I do.

My new thing, believe it or not, I did this this morning.

I'm not kidding.

I'm telling myself.

Last hour, I told myself we're not wearing green.

It's like Patrick's Day, right?

You can laugh at me.

I have no shame.

I think it's great.

I encourage you to do it.

It'll make you feel better on your day, okay?

You ready?

Here's my new thing.

You need to do this, folks, right?

Go watch the YouTube video of, um, shut up and dance with me by walk the moon, but

set to movie scene dances.

So they take all these different dances and movies that have been made for years and

years.

Old movies, animated movies, newer movies.

And if you have the song and it has the song, shut up and dance with me by walk the moon.

And it's just a mashup of all these dance scenes with that song.

And it's amazing.

Whoever put this together is awesome.

And it got me going.

And I'm like, I came across my feed because again, I like watching dancing and dance movies.

So it came across my feed, the algorithms there because that's what I watch.

And I'm watching it and I'm like, this is amazing.

It's awesome.

Go watch it.

Go feel good about yourself.

And then I thought to myself, I wonder there's got to be a hundred movies in this, in this

video, right?

Like little, little clips, little scenes, 10 seconds, five seconds.

I'm like, how many of these movies could I name?

And it's like, it's just probably half, maybe.

It might take me a minute.

I'm like, oh no, that is, oh yeah, that's Greece.

That's coyote ugly.

That's dance fever.

Right?

I mean, I could do it.

But there were a lot of them I couldn't recognize, for sure.

And I like dance movies, but I'm telling you, go watch, you'll feel good about yourself.

I got to try it now.

You got to go to YouTube, don't do it while I'm talking folks, okay?

Because then we don't want to take away from you listening to this radio station or this

radio program, but go to YouTube, type in, um, shut up and dance with me, mash up, and

watch like the, there's a few of them.

There's a longer one and the YouTube mash up of all the dance scenes and movies with

that song.

Telling you, it'll make you feel good.

Especially on the St. Patrick's Day, where you should be moving around and enjoying life.

Happy St. Patrick's Day to you.

South Capaccio with you here on the North Town Automotive Extra Point Show on a Tuesday,

the week of the NCAA tournament.

I mean, I used to be so into the brackets, I'm not as much anymore, I'm going to create

one.

I'll probably put it out there and we'll do it for, you know, some sort of good cause

and, you know, people can win something.

So I'm going to get on that today.

People send me their brackets all the time.

People send me their brackets to, you know, enter their tournament, their tournament bracket

pool and, you know, um, try and win something and it's great and there's always great causes.

So we can do that.

But it used to be where like, I would get way more into it and I think college basketball

for me is big of a fan I am.

It's just, I'm not as familiar with some of the teams as much anymore.

I'm still into it, but it's changed and I think that's partly because, you know, Syracuse

is just been bad.

They haven't made the tournament in five years.

So I did a bracket.

Anyway, I did a bracket and I do it a little different generally, I, there's, there's

two types of brackets, right?

There's a, let's just throw it out there and have some fun with it bracket.

And then there's a bracket of integrity.

The difference is the bracket of integrity is what you actually think could happen.

But I mean, no one really knows, right?

Generally, not always, if you go chalk, you're going to be okay.

What is chalk?

Chalk means, in case you don't know, picking all the favorites essentially, like pretty

much, picking all the favorites, the higher seeds, the teams are supposed to win because

generally you get to the sweet 16 lead eight, it's those teams.

You could get an upset in a Cinderella here once in a while, but generally, if you stick

with the higher seed, you're going to be okay.

So I try not to do that as much, but it's tough not to, right?

And I didn't do it in this one.

I'm literally going with, like my final four, my, my initial, I have reserved the right

to change here.

My initial final four has two ones and two twos.

I'm like, that doesn't feel right, but that's the way it is a lot.

And what I'd like to do sometimes in my bracket of integrity, because I do want to pick

some upsets and then look cool if I do it, is I'll take, I'll take a region.

So this is a way to do the bracket if you want.

I'll take a look at a region.

So let's look at the East region, for example, you just pick one team and say, who's going

to come out of the East?

Like, who do you like out of all those teams?

Don't even pick all the games separately.

Don't go through the whole Duke Sieno, Ohio State, TCU, St. John's, Northern Iowa.

Don't do that.

Get all 16 teams in that region and say, who's going to come out?

Put that team in the final four and then work your way backward and go, okay, well, if

I'm not going to have this other team that's a high seed, where can I have them upset?

And then you can be cool when you pick the upset because you're like, okay, I'm not going

to have Michigan State, like coming out and going into the final four.

So maybe I should just have them upset in the second round.

Then what happens, I can look cool and get extra points because everybody else is going

to have them.

Like, that's the way you can do it a lot.

You can kind of get you a few more points or you can just do the straight, traditional

way, which is pick this game, pick that game, go down the list.

Oh, now I have those winners.

But when you do it that way, if one team loses that you have winning a lot, you're just kind

of, you're kind of screwed for the rest of it, right?

So that, that's how I've done it.

Now initially, we will do more on this tomorrow and oh, you're not going to be producing

tomorrow, right?

You're not going to be producing?

Correct.

Um, you'll be there Thursday, though.

No, no, and then who's Thursday, Joe?

Joe's Thursday.

Either way, my point is tomorrow and Thursday, I was going to do something with the brackets.

We can kind of, you know, play off each other.

So I'll have to do that with, um, who's producing tomorrow and Thursday.

And I don't know if we'll do it tomorrow or Thursday.

Thinking about, uh, survivor, we're going to do sweet 16 survivor, though, sweet 16 survivor

was good.

We hear last year we did that?

No.

Okay.

If you're back producing this show, and I know you got your schedule slipping a little

bit, what we do for sweet 16 survivor is we take the 16 teams and one by one, we just

eliminate one of the teams that we don't like either because we don't like their colors

or their coach or their school or whatever.

And so we get to one consensus that we're going to root for.

Oh, that's perfect.

You like that?

Oh, yeah.

Okay.

So with that, Joe and I used to do it all the time when him and I were together.

As of right now, I do have two number one seeds in the final.

I have Michigan and Florida.

It kind of pains me because I lived in Florida and I got really tired of like Florida

gator fans and Florida state seminal fans and my hurricane fans.

You know, because when you're a fan of another team and everybody else is kind of like enjoying

success and it's kind of it's a sudden Freud.

You don't love it.

But I also have now been rooting for the Gators because of Karlin Hartman and Jonathan

Safer who are from Western New York, they're on their staff and it's really cool and

I love that.

So I've, I've kind of grown, I've grown folks, I've grown, I've matured, I'm not as

petty anymore.

And then honestly, like, I have no problem with Michigan and funny story.

Two years ago, the bills were in Pittsburgh for the joint practices.

Remember that when the bills went to Pittsburgh and they played the Steelers joint practice,

it rained.

So Josh didn't play that night because the field was wet, right?

But they were there for like two days.

While we were there, while I was there in Pittsburgh, Bruce Springsteen played in Pittsburgh

that night.

I went to the concert at that same concert because they had already planned it were a bunch

of college basketball coaches and I know a few and one of them was my good buddy Mike

McDonald, who's the Damon head coach.

So Mike's like, Hey, let's, let's meet up after the concert and all that.

So I get with, I get together with Mike McDonald and we're hanging out and I'm hanging around

there and Woj is there and Jeff Passon of ESPN is there.

And Mike McDonald introduced me to Dusty May, the head coach at Michigan.

And Dusty was super cool and engaging.

So now I root for Dusty May because I got to meet him and he's really cool and we got

to know each other.

Like that's just how life works, right?

So I'm rooting for Michigan in a kind of sort of way because of Dusty May and Roddy

Gale, who's from Niagara Falls, I'm rooting for Florida for Carlin Hartman for Jonathan

Sapphire.

So that's it.

That's what I'm doing.

I'm rooting for people, not necessarily jerseys because my team is not in it and they

fired their coach and I want the coaches coaching the USF Bulls right now.

That's what I want.

Everybody said to me, Why don't you want Jerry McNamara?

Why don't you want Sienna?

Sienna head coach Jerry McNamara.

I love Jerry McNamara.

Jerry McNamara is responsible for one of the greatest sports moments of my life.

He's he's partly responsible with Carmelo Anthony hockey, Maurek and Josh Bass and that

group.

Jerry McNamara is going to be a rock star.

He already is.

What he's done with Sienna already in one year is amazing.

Jim Bayheim held on too long at Syracuse.

He wanted to coach his kids.

It kind of ruined the program to be honest with you at the end.

And when he stepped away, they had a chance to just start fresh and they didn't and they

just kept the train moving with Adrian Entry and as a person, I love Adrian Entry, but

he was not the right coach and he wasn't a good coach and it went poorly for three years.

So if you ask me why I don't want Jerry McNamara at Syracuse and I'd rather have Brian

Hanson, it's not that I don't want Jerry.

I love Jerry.

I'll take Jerry.

I just want something different.

I don't want to have to stay in the family.

I think that's how they got in this mess right now in the first place.

So that's why.

Get that question a lot.

Why don't you want Jerry McNamara?

He's doing a great job.

It's not that I don't want Jerry.

So I'd rather have the other guy because I want to go outside the family.

If you give me Jerry, he might be great like fine.

So I guess I, you know, I don't want him first.

That my first choice Josh Scherz would have been a choice.

He already reupt in St. Louis.

Okay, Bradley Chubb met with the local Buffalo media.

He is a new Buffalo Bill signing edge player going to fit in this defense for Jim Leonard.

Let's hear from Bradley Chubb.

One of the newest Buffalo Bills here this off season.

How did this come together?

Just tell me what the last few days have been like.

Yeah, last few days been hectic, you know, just kind of going back and forth with my agent

about, you know, different teams, different opportunities.

And I felt like this one presented the best opportunity to go out there and win, you know,

and that's what I told him at the beginning of the off season.

Before I even got released, I was like, man, I went to the Super Bowl.

I saw what it, like I saw the atmosphere.

I saw the feeling and I just want to win.

I want to make sure I win and, you know, end up getting released.

Free agency came and I feel like this put me in the best position to do that.

What is it about this team that makes you feel like they're ready to win now?

Um, I've seen it, you know, I've seen it in the past, what, three and a half years,

you know, just a team that stays together through the hard times, like, and down in Florida,

we were, you know, we would have some close games, but it's about, you know, how close

these guys are, how, how, how they just know how to win and pull out those close games.

And I feel like that's what it takes to get to the big stage and, you know, a few pieces

and I feel like I'm one of those pieces to help us get over that heart.

Just a piggyback off that, I mean, you know, in 2018, I'm not sure if you would have,

and the bills weren't really on the map.

They did drive Josh Allen that year.

But what isn't about a Josh Allen lead team that, you know, and having a quarterback

and you knowing what it feels like to be on a winner that makes the bills, you know,

that team for you.

Um, like you said, just talking about the quarterback, man, 17, he's been, he's been doing

it since 2018, you know what I mean, he is one of the best, if not the best quarterbacks

in the league.

And whenever you have a guy like that, a man in the ship, I feel like everybody believes

that they can win.

And I feel like that's what they've shown in the past, you know, back in, I know a couple

games, for example, the playoff game we played up there in 22, we were going back and

forth, back and forth, but I feel like the, y'all knew y'all had 17 and he got us over

that home, got us, you know, in that game and got us for a couple of years down when I

was in Miami as well.

So I feel like, you know, when you got a guy like that, everybody buys in, everybody knows

no matter what he's going through, he's going to give it all and put it on the line for

the team and you can win like that.

You know, it's funny because we just had DJ Warren, he's talking about Josh Allen.

Now we've got like a defensive specialist talking about Josh Allen.

No, no doubt, no doubt.

He's worthy of all the talk, you know what I mean?

He does the right things, he makes the plays, he takes the hits, he gives the hits.

So I'm excited to be on his side.

And last thing for me, just how much do you think you're ready and eager to build off of

what you were able to do last season and build upon that going into this season, you

know, being two years away from that injury?

Yeah, I'm really excited to get into this season.

You know, last season, especially to start the last season, I was kind of just giving

my feet under me, understanding like how to go about a game week again, how to, you

know, recover and make sure I'm good for the next week.

And I feel like I hit my stride towards that fifth to middle of the season type game.

So I feel like I just want to pick back up where I left off.

You know, didn't have what the necessary, the stats I wanted to have last year.

But like I said, I had to give myself great to understand that it was a year removed

from not playing football for a whole year.

And I just want to pick up where I left off, like I said, and be even better.

He kind of were going down that road, a year removed after the ACL, he felt like there's

still places to go.

Do you have this belief of, I don't know if it's a chip on the shoulder, but you're still

in kind of, I have to prove it mode.

You know, for sure, I got a chip on my shoulder still, man.

Just because of how my career has played out, you know, every time I pop off and do what

I'm supposed to do, it feels like, you know, something comes and get me to follow a year.

And I feel like that, that in the sense is frustrating because people could start doubting

and throwing doubt, oh, he's not there.

He's not this, but I know what I can do it.

I know what I have in the tank left.

And I feel like because of that, I haven't put too many models on my body.

So I'm excited to go out there and lay it out on the line and, you know, be a bill.

I feel like I'm going to hit my stride and it's going to be the perfect place to do

it.

When they're attracting you and given their pitch, what was their vision, especially

under Jim Lunner, the new defensive coordinator, their vision for you and how you fit into

this defense?

So it was actually funny how life works when I first got to Denver when I got drafted

there.

And Joseph was the head coach, so he's been the DC in Denver.

He's past two years and Coach, Coach Lunner has came from that system.

So it's kind of a match made in heaven, man.

That's kind of what I came into the league doing and I had success doing my first year.

So I'm excited to get back into the system.

I know he's going to have his tweaks and do different things to it, but what he preached

to me, man, was that it's just going to be the same.

Getting after the quarterback, making sure, you know, we covered it in the back end, making

sure we're up front.

I think I have it and playing well team, good team defense.

And you know, I feel like, you know, the talk was in the past.

It was the offense go out there and put up how many points defense don't lose the game.

Now we're trying to be, you know, aggressive on defense and set the tone.

And I feel like that's what they brought me here to do, set the tone.

And I know the guys around me are going to do the same thing.

I've been watching them for years and I'm excited to join Bill's mafia.

You just brought up fans, Joseph and the Jim Lunnered connection.

I was curious, did you reach out to Vaughan before your decision?

I know he's somebody who you obviously were with in Denver and he was in Buffalo.

Yeah, I reached out to him after kind of things.

You know, we're settled in and I knew I was going to be up here.

I hollered at him just to, you know, see what the, what the Buffalo team was like.

And not just Vaughan, but everybody that I played with that played in Buffalo previously

had nothing to, but great things to say about the city, about the team, about the players,

about the locker room.

So I'm excited to get a part of it.

Listen, you were just competing against this team.

So it's natural.

There have been times when this organization has probably made you mad, frustrated.

Oh, for sure.

What's your, what's your like least favorite memory playing against the bills these last

couple of years?

Least favorite, uh, when we came near in 20, I think it was 22.

It was, uh, snowing.

It was like perfectly fine in the beginning of the first half and then it starts pouring

down snow in the second half and we, we're getting pelted with snowballs.

And I remember the fans, you know, that kind of just turned them up when it started

snowing and turned the team up when it started snowing and, um, so I, that was my least

favorite memory because it wasn't a playoffs, but it was like we were playing for the division

at that time, um, and, uh, I know they had be the bills in the, uh, early in the season,

but I had, I hadn't got there yet, um, and yeah, I remember that game, it had a lot on

it.

So that was the primal worst memory.

You're, the game you're, you know, describing right now, the bills had been on a run where

they had won the division a ton.

And then obviously last year, New England, Lee prongs that, but there has been longevity

and they have been to the playoffs a lot, but they have still just fallen a little short.

What is the excitement to maybe be one of the pieces that could get them over the hump

or could ultimately get them to the next level?

Yeah.

Man, that's, that's, like I said, that's the reason I came here, man, just to, um, you know,

be a part of something that can, can be special, you know, not promising.

We're going to win the Super Bowl.

I'm not promising.

We're going to do all this.

But I feel like what I've seen in the past, what I know I bring to the table, I feel

like it's a great mix and I feel like, um, it's going, like I said, help us get over

to that hump and I feel like, you know, when you got to offensive as powerful and as

dynamic as the bills have and a defense that's, you know, we've got to find our identity

with the new coordinator with a couple of new guys coming in like myself.

But once we find that, I feel like it'll be full steam ahead.

Just tell us why Buffalo, you could, you could have chose anywhere, you know, but why,

why Buffalo was the destination for you?

Because like I said earlier, man, I'm trying to win.

I'm trying to, um, have a go through a season when I'm not frustrated after every, every

Monday coming into the building and upset like, man, we should have did this, we should

have did that.

And, you know, playing, playing this team for three and a half years, you see that they

know how to win.

They believe in themselves to win.

And like I said, we got a guy like 17 running the show.

It's hard to, to, to feel like you're not going to win, you know, um, and I wanted to

be a part of this defense that I've, you know, seen Reykjavik against us a couple times

and, um, you know, try to like I said, get a, get this team over that home.

And I'm excited to take on that challenge.

I just like I said, I'm not going to promise anything, but I feel like when we put all the,

the goods that we got into moving straight ahead is going to be fine.

Now, I know you're going to come in, you're coming in with a chip on your shoulder.

Um, you got historic past rushes, you know, let's just start with Bruce Smith, right?

So no, do you have a, a, a, a sack number that you want to, you want to come in that you

have an idea of a sack number that you want to accomplish this year during the season?

Yes.

Yeah, I want to get, I want to, uh, beat my career high with right now, which is 12.

I want to, you know, get over that and, um, I'm going to work every day, tirelessly in

order, in order to do that.

I've come close, um, in 23, 23 at 11, um, and, um, I feel like I, I still got more in

the tank from that year.

I feel like that was a good year for me, but I, I feel like I still got more in the tank

and it can do even more.

So I'm excited to, to take on that challenge and, and, and make it happen.

You're coming into a brand new stadium, you're coming into the, one of the best fan bases

in the NFL, just tell us, uh, you know, some of the excitement and your expectations

of Bill's mafia.

Yeah.

I mean, I'm excited.

I'm excited to see how routed it get.

I'm excited to see, um, you know, having them cheering for, for my team now, you know,

I mean, you hear it when you in the stadium, it turns the team up when Bill's mafia is going

crazy.

Like I said, throwing the snowballs and having fun with the elements, you know what I mean,

that, that's intimidating to the other side lines.

So I'm excited to, to have that feel me and not have that going against me.

Before I let you go, man, uh, you Tyler Bass and DJ Moore, you're going to play paper

rock scissors for number two.

Oh, no, I'm already out to running.

I got number nine.

So I'm good.

That was my college number.

Um, I feel like it's, um, my ninth year and it's, it's all coming full circle.

So I, I got a, and I, what is this about this defensive scheme?

Uh, that was successful for you.

Your rookie year under Vince Joseph as they had coach there in Denver.

What was it about it that, that helped you that work for you the best?

Um, I feel like coming in to the league, it was easy for me to kind of adjust to it because

it was, um, a couple of drops here and there, but the main thing was, you know, do what

you do best, get after quarterback, stop the run, set the edge, um, you know, to play

with, uh, angles, um, on the outside linebacker position, advantageous angles, um, not really

head up and not really like playing six techniques on tight ends, more, um, bringing the fight

to them.

And I feel like that fit perfectly into, into my wheelhouse of what I do best and, um, it

fit into what the whole defense did best at the time.

So, uh, it was, it was good then and I feel like it'd be good now with the players we

got.

Did they move you around?

Did you play on either, did they, or did you stay in one position or did they move

you around depending on the opponent?

Uh, it depends.

Uh, I had, like I said, Vaughn and that's the Hall of Famer at the time I got in there.

So if he wanted to go to the right side, he took, go to the left for it.

You know, vice, vice, vice, vice, if he wanted to the left, I went to the right.

So, um, being a bright, outbushed to have Ricky, I was just happy to be on the field with

him.

So wherever he said, I went and so I kind of moved around in that sense and then, um,

um, like during, like, patchwork situations, I, either he went down into like a three

tag, I went down and kind of switched it up like that gave different looks.

So I'm not sure.

Like I said, exactly what Coach Linus is going to have us doing, but I know it's from

the same tree and I'm excited to get back into it.

That's it.

And what was the biggest part of coming back from injury?

What, what, what was the toughest part of being injured and then working it way back

into the lineup?

The toughest part, honestly, um, so the year I didn't play the 2024, I would say the toughest

part was trying to learn how to be a leader without showing on the field.

You know, I mean, without, you know, showing my work ethic without, um, going through

the fire with the guys, um, but I feel like that helped me become a better leader because

I know how to do it without playing football there.

You know what I mean?

Like I feel like, you know, I'm on the field.

You're going to see how I work.

You're going to see how I run to the ball.

How do this?

And I lead by example in that way.

But I'm learning how to, you know, step back and, and, and be personal, more personal with

people in order to lead them to where we were, where we wanted to go.

So that was the hardest challenge in 24 and then in 25 coming back onto the actual field,

I feel like the hardest challenge was, you know, just getting my feet under me, feeling

comfortable and getting the, the, the doubt of, I might get hurt again, you know, getting

that out the way.

And once, like I said, once I hit that, like that middle of the season and just hit my

stride and stop thinking about everything, knowing I was good.

I feel like it was, uh, it was, it was good for me.

And speed of the game came back to you.

Yeah.

For sure.

Okay.

While we were playing Bradley Chubb, we have had breaking NFL news, not Buffalo Bills

related, but it kind of sort of is, it ties into the bills.

Remember last year at the deadline, when there was a lot of smoke about the bills trying

to trade for Jalen Waddle, and it didn't happen.

Well, the Miami Dolphins have traded Jalen Waddle, but not to the Buffalo Bills.

According to various reports, the first one I saw was Diana Rossini.

And Adam Shaftar, I'll give you this here.

This is what he is reporting the compensation.

The Miami Dolphins are trading wide receiver Jalen Waddle to the Denver Broncos.

They will get not only Waddle, but the Dolphins fourth round pick this year in exchange

for the Dolphins first round pick this year.

I'm sorry for the Broncos first round pick this year, along with a third and a fourth.

So it's a first, a third and a fourth for Waddle and a fourth.

I believe that's how it works, right?

First, third and fourth for Waddle and a fourth to the Denver Broncos, a team, the team

that beat the Buffalo Bills in the playoffs last year, a team on the bill's schedule this

year.

The Dolphins twice, I don't know what the Dolphins are doing as far as talent.

They are not going to be a good team this year.

It appears as though they are very much in the mode of total reset now that they've basically

traded what I could argue is their best player outside of Devani Chan.

I guess now at this point, right?

And the Denver Broncos are loading up at wide receiver.

They're getting bonics, more help.

The Bills play the Dolphins twice to play the Broncos once in Denver.

People have thought maybe that could be an early season, primetime game, week one, even

either way, Jalen Waddle traded to the Denver Broncos along with a fourth round pick for

a first, a third and a fourth.

What do you think about it?

Bills did not get Waddle and apparently wasn't for lack of trying.

There's been a lot of talk about them having the best offer on the table for him at the

deadline with the Dolphin said, no, they didn't want to do it.

A division opponent gets even weaker from already being weak, a conference opponent that

beat you in the playoffs gets stronger.

We'll take a time out and come back here on the North town on a motor extra point show

on WGR.

Now coming up in one moment here, talk some bills, the Ryan Vandemark offer sheet, want

to share one more Saber stat that I just saw.

They have now reached a franchise record, 11 game road point streak and they've won, I

think all but one of those.

The last time the Sabers didn't get a point on the road was two months ago tomorrow.

The game that Brandon Bussie went nuts against them in Carolina.

That is the last time they didn't get a point on the road.

That's insane.

803-0550, the phone number, if you got a Bills thought, Sal Capaccio know on the West

her hotline.

Just stay up, Sal.

For that game, it was a late one.

I did.

I didn't know if I'd make it.

It was good that the World Baseball Classic was on, so I could watch that leading in and

then the Sabers game and I'm like, okay, I'm going to try and make this work.

I thought, I don't know what's going to, but it's sort of the game starts, you're kind

of invested, right?

And then once you get past 10 minutes, you're like, okay, I can do the rest of the period.

Then you get to the period and it's one nothing.

UPL's playing out of his mind.

And you're like, okay, that's when I decided, I think I'll just like go the rest of the

way, get some work done on the computer while I watch it.

And I was there at the end and then it was a, it was night night time.

Yeah.

How into the World Baseball Classic are you getting?

I am on the seat, on the edge of my seat when I'm watching USA hockey.

When you're watching the World Baseball Classic, is it the same or is it more of a casual

rooting experience for you?

More casual, but last night was intense, you know, I mean, like most of the games have

been more casual, just like, this is cool.

I guess you know, for me, it was when it started, it's like, yeah, it's cool.

It wasn't, I don't know, it's not Olympics, it's not like four nations face off, but

it got there.

I didn't think it was initially, but then you see the pageantry, once you kind of get

into it, you see the pageantry.

Yeah.

And then when, you know, Italy won and VDOS, like it just became like, okay, this is, this

is actually bigger than I realized maybe when it started, you know what I mean?

That's how I, and that's how I treated it too.

I wonder though if that'll be any different for me when the, when baseball's back at the,

the summer Olympics in 28.

Right.

Exactly.

And then I thought, well, these guys I'm watching the bench and they were disappointed,

obviously, it's like, oh, they're all going to basically fly to their cities and start

their season.

It's nice that like the middle of the season, like they have 162 games to play, you know,

starting next week, basically.

So yeah, it was intense game last night, but, you know, I mean, are we going to do that

thing we do with American hockey now and start, it was the team put together.

Did they have enough face runners and speed and all that kind of thing we do, you know,

I mean, I didn't, I didn't pick up any of that along the way.

No, everything was overshadowed by the manager, not knowing what the rules were in the

middle of it.

Yes.

Exactly.

So there's some things to figure out here on Ryan Van Damark, who's been authoresheted

by the Minnesota Vikings.

So we do know what the number is or it's been reported, what the number is.

Interesting thing with that.

So last night, when it first came out from Tom Pellicero, there were no numbers attached

to it, just said an authoreshete.

Shortly after that, Aaron Wilson, who covers detections and the NFL over in Houston, he reported

it was one year, $4.2 million.

Now explain why that's, you know, what that matters because of the bills, what they did.

But like shortly after that, he kind of deleted the tweet or at least change it and took the

number out.

Okay.

So I'm wondering, but then when he did it, he also added the agency and the agents and

I'm like, like to me, I don't know this for sure.

I just know how this kind of game is played, so to speak.

And I will tell you that that feels to me like he got the number and then he put it out

there and the agents like, hey, don't put the number out there, you know what I mean?

Yeah.

But I don't know.

So he could be wrong though, but it feels like an Aaron usually does a really good job.

So it wouldn't be on him, like maybe he just just told, hey, we'd rather have the number

not out there if we're going to give you the info.

Anyway, so let's operate under that assumption at least, this one year, $4.2 million and that

would be about $700,000 more than the bills offer and the bills gave him what's called

the lowest qualifying tender offer.

It's called an original round tender.

The way it works in the NFL is you can only have three different offers you give a restricted

free agent to make sure that you retain his rights.

Once you give them that offer, you retain their rights and they can sign an offer sheet.

You can have a first round tender, which would be a lot of money.

That means that which means that if the another team takes them, you get a first rounder

back.

Well, you're not doing that for Ryan Vanemar because you have to pay him like $6 million.

You know what I mean?

You could have a second round, which I think would be like $4.5 million and then do that,

they did original round.

Well, guess what?

So there's no original round to get compensation.

He's an under after the free agent when he came in to lead with Indianapolis.

So all that does is give the bills the right to match, but not get compensation if they

don't match and they would have five days to do that.

They would have to give him one year, let's again, operate on the assumption of $4.2 million

to stay with them and then he would be there for the year.

There would be no more of this.

Okay.

And if we are operating under that assumption, would we think that that would be a tough

sell to spend that much sell on a swing tackle because unless you think he would play into

the left guard spot, but I don't know, has any been more of the tackle for them than anything

interior?

Yeah.

He's a swing tackle.

He's a backup tackle.

He's not going to start over Dan.

He's not going to start over Spencer Brown.

They also tie line Grable who they really like.

And I mean, Ryan Vanermark is either the three or the four tackle, but he actually had

to be the guy Leicester because Grable was injured and I think he had the concussion

was playing.

Yeah.

But he was out a lot of the year, but here's where I've fallen this.

I agree.

I do think that's a lot of money.

I don't know if you can spend $4 plus million on a backup swing tackle.

However, they were willing to spend $3.5 on them and it's less than a million dollars

difference.

That is still significant money, but I just wonder how much more, you know, you don't

mean like it's just, where are they going to, it's interesting.

I don't know.

I actually go.

I thought they, I did not think they would give them the tender of $3.5 because think

about it.

Even Alec Anderson, who probably has much easier path to start, right, a clearer path

to start, they didn't do that with him.

They worked out a lower deal before he became a restricted free agent.

They signed into one year, $3 million that, you know, and they shaved off what would

have been the tender.

So when that happened, I'm like, yeah, I don't see them doing that for Ryan Vanermark then.

Maybe they worked and they tried that very well could have tried to say, let's lower

it.

In Vandy, may have known, hey, no, I'm going to get something for another team here because

I can go start somewhere.

If the Vikings see him as a starter, it's clearly a good move for them, right?

I mean, but, but I just wonder what the bills here do here.

They have five days to match.

If they do not match, he will go to Minnesota.

He can't sign an offer sheet anywhere else.

He'll be their player.

The bills would not be compensation for the Vikings nor would they get drafted compensation

in the comp pick formula because of him being an RFA.

The other two things I think about here are one.

You mentioned how much they like Tylen Grable, who I remember like in the summer, he was,

he was ahead of Vanermark.

It seemed as that swing tackle, but he was two years ago, Joe, he actually was the guy.

Remember, like, Vanermark was actually inactive for a few games.

That's right.

Joe Merino mentioned that earlier with us, too, the year prior, he was that guy.

So there's him, like, could they think about him as competition for Alec Anderson to

start at guard?

Because if he were in that equation, then you would need a swing tackle.

But also, I wonder, say, like, would the bills think, well, if Minnesota's got a starting

job for you, like, do we really want to block Vanermark from having an opportunity like

that?

I guess that would be part of the, you know, the process as well.

Yeah.

Maybe that's been conveyed, who knows?

But, you know, the bills have to operate under what's best for them, right?

We know that.

They're going to do what's best for them.

But sure, I mean, you know, he has an opportunity to start there and they've conveyed, like,

hey, we really rather not, you not match.

It doesn't mean the bills don't have to, but you have those conversations.

What the bills also could do is people have suggested this.

I think this happened a few years ago, right?

Was it Ryan Bates?

Yeah.

They made it done.

This was Chicago where they literally match it and then traded them.

Was that it?

I can't remember it.

I think that is what happened.

I'll look.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You can't just trade his rights right now to do that.

You have to match it first and trade them, you know what I mean?

And then, so then he'd be on your books right now, Ryan Vintermark's counting on two

different salary caps, by the way, because of this, right?

Which guys do when you release them, but you have to have room.

He's bills.

Do you know that for 3.5?

And then the Vikings have to have him count on their cap right now while they're doing

this.

So, you know, that's why you have to get a resolution here within a week on what to

do.

You're asking me about like the swing guard, swing tackle.

I think Tyline Grable could play guard much more than Ryan Vintermark could play guard.

I think they like Tyline Grable at tackle, but you have to remember chase one figures

into this guy.

I mean, Joe, they like chase one so much last year.

He never got into a game, but they never like released him because they thought someone's

going to pick him up if we do that.

He was inactive the whole year until he was put on IR at the end of the year.

So, I wonder where he slots in and he can also play both tackle and guard.

Bates, you were on it with what happened there.

The bills matched his offer sheet, which by the way, was a four year deal.

That's different than what Adam Arcas here, but it was matched by the bills and then they

traded him to Chicago for a fifth.

So, it was almost like a sign in trade kind of.

Right.

Yeah, that's right.

And again, the report from Aaron Wilson originally was one year 4.2.

It might not be correct.

He does have a multi year deal on a table from the Vikings that we don't know about.

That hasn't come out yet, but that was the original report.

I'm going to go on that assumption right now that that is the case, but that is obviously

more than what the bills are offering.

And if he were to walk, then the bills would save that money on the cap.

Like I said, he's counting on the bills cap right now.

If he were to go to Minnesota and the bills said, okay, we're going to do that.

That would free up essentially $3.5 million on the bills cap immediately.

Right.

Last thing for you, Sal, the Jalen Waddle trade yesterday, like Miami's very clearly

tearing it down.

So I don't think it's stunning that they moved him, but he went for a lot, right?

Like the pick swap later, but it's a first and a third.

And the contract is actually very similar to DJ Moore.

I think it's one year less is the big difference.

But does that trade for you make the compensation on the more trade look better?

Yeah, I didn't love the compensation on the more trade.

You know, the second, but I think now the longer we get past that, it looks a little bit

more palatable and thinking why that is.

And you see this, I mean, that's a lot to give up for Jalen Waddle.

And look, I think that if you wanted to say like, why did the bills not do this?

One of the answers is, the Miami dogs weren't going to trade Jalen Waddle the Buffalo

Pills. I think we know that, right?

And then now we get to this point because last year what happened, it felt like

and I think some of the reporting was the bills had the best offer on the table.

And that was the deal that they that happened with and they didn't do it.

And they kind of, you know, maybe last minute, so to speak, were some of the stuff that

was going on there.

But either way, the bills find their way to DJ more for a second.

You're like, oh, that's quite a price to pay.

Now a couple weeks later, Waddle goes for a first and a third.

He's a year younger.

He is smaller and more banged up.

Now you made the point earlier, you're right.

He doesn't miss a lot of games, but he's he's banged up quite a bit.

It feels like he's kind of always a guy that you're wondering if he's going to play the

whole season.

And I'm not saying that, you know, that's a reason why you wouldn't want this player.

He's a really good player.

I agree with that.

But yes, answer your question.

I think it makes the DJ more compensation look a little better than maybe initially what

people thought about what the bills gave up.

All right.

Sal Capaccio, extra point show tomorrow at Hartman's doors open at 10, right?

It does.

Yeah.

So today, I'm actually going to the plan is, as long as everything goes all right, we're

going to find out here in a little while.

Plan is today.

I'm going to do the extra point show from the arena, from the floor.

Right.

During during some of the basketball practice sessions, Joe, so that'll be funny when they

get on the floor, you're going to hear some basketballs on the background, not, not

hockey boards and pucks, right, which with Paul.

So that's the plan today.

And the teams are practicing today, Brian Hodgson, USF, native homecoming for him.

They're on the floor at 11 o'clock.

It is an open practice today, starting at 11 o'clock all the way through.

If anybody is listening, wants to go down to the arena today, watch some great college

basketball players and shooting around.

It's not going to be like it's it's for the fans.

It's an open practice for the fans.

They're not going through strategy and, you know, I'm going to do that for the fans.

They're going to have shoot rounds and things like that.

And then tomorrow, yes, Hartman's at 10 a.m., they're going to have drink specials.

They're opening at 10 a.m. free parking.

It's not far from the arena.

It's going to be it's going to be a fun week and Buffalo weekend.

All right.

Thanks, though.

You got it.

Selkopachi on the Western hotline.

Stop by Hartman's.

Yes.

Stop by the arena as well.

All right.

Paul coming up at nine.

We'll talk more about the Sabers and last night's win over Vegas.

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