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It's cold. I happy Thursday. It's 30 30 degrees cold. Well, it's got your cold air

Yeah, I walked outside her some teens fully fully committed to I think I'm done with Jacket season

Oh, I did commit to that also. It's cold. Yeah, I saw like a 31 should I grab it?

No, I'm not grabbing a jacket again. Yeah, the rest of the year like I don't know like once I it's like oh with shorts

Once I once I've made that decision. You're done. That's the decision

So if I've decided the jackets aren't coming out again then the jackets aren't coming out again

Although again when it's 15 degrees in two days, I might have to I might have to make a call

Another call

Yeah, I'd like to get there on shorts. I wore shorts a couple days

But we're back to like you know cold them up 23 by the way, so I guess it is 23 23 23 a couple days

So we had our first fake spring all right now we're back into what is this third winter?

You know like there's six winter just parades this weekend

This shouldn't be still fake spring. We should be into real spring by now, right?

It depends sometimes this is the this is the most inconsistent week of the year

This is Mario Williams days. It's not the 12th 11 12th the day signed

In the neighborhood he was here for three days

Mario Williams

I want to say it was like right around now it was 80 degrees and right now it's like 20

He signed on March 14th. Okay, so yeah, today's probably the day you would bet here. Yes, yeah

The bills are hosting Mario Williams for a visit. Yeah, what a time that was

They took him and he was here for a week

Right best trivia question of all time

Who's the who's the other player they brought in and took to dinner with him. I know you remember it

I know it

There's no way jokali Owen too young you playing the home the home version of this game

We'll give you 10 seconds to think about it. We'll give you a little hint along the way

Mm-hmm crack at it. It was a wide receiver. It was

They all they took him out to dinner. Yes with with with Mario Williams

Buddy next was early on the wide receiver train trying to sign this wide receiver. It was a former saints receiver

Mm-hmm that was in with Mario Williams in that visit that went to dinner. It was

He went to Tennessee

Look at this wait. He went to Tennessee. I'm pretty sure he went to Tennessee. Oh, you mean to like college college

Okay, yeah, Tennessee. I don't remember him playing for the Titans. Uh, no college

Tennessee played for most notably played for New Orleans. I think he ended up signing with San Diego

Yes, that all right. Look at this. You're on to that. He was only there for a year

But yes, we should play more like this because the people at home are really playing this game right now

Right, you've got all there. They're in hintland. They got other clues. The answer is

Robert Meacham. Yeah, Robert Meacham. He did not sign with the bus. No. He went to San Diego for two seasons

Sorry one season and then went well went back to New Orleans

Right

Robert Meacham

Who was like the prize of free agency for the bills that receiver they did not get off of a 40 catch

620 yard season he might have been uh, you know

I wonder how the dinner would have gone like he would have been off to the sides in there

Like when they have only talked to Mario Williams the entire dinner right third wheel in it like not even look over right like of the forget

He was there really

What kind of dinner was that?

Did they know each other Mario Williams and Robert Meacham? I wonder if the barrels invite Mario Williams out to dinner

They probably got there the share in ancient. What does Robert Meacham do in here?

Didn't my guess that Robert Meacham is at the saints number three receiver. You just sitting at the table

Uh, yeah agent. That's probably it could be a better

It could be let's all go to dinner. Yeah, they're at dinner and they're telling Mario. All right. We've got a like a hundred million dollars for you

Robert buddy

Uh

23 I mean the bills were a little cheap back then. So it would be like hey little two for 20 in here

Well these guys speaking of landing defensive ends

Look at this segue unplanned. It's great. The bills have added Bradley Chubb

Who was let go of the dolphins about three weeks ago

We spoke with Marcelo Ejac who covers the dolphins for ESPN about

Bradley Chubb and I remember Joe coming out of that conversation thinking

Okay, this might not be a terrible idea

Like Marcel kind of sold that he'd be a player that would help any team he went to not washed up not cooked

You know, we could talk about the term and the money and how it feels like a typical bills signing on one level

But I do remember and I went back and listened to a chunk of it and Marcel talked about how you know the kind of player is the kind of leader

He is he's not want to ever give up like the dolphins. They might have had a bad culture or a

Spotty one, but that he was a good piece of it like a captain and the bills are good

Basically if we ask him today because we didn't ask him about you know necessarily the bills signing him

But just anybody signing him. I bet he would say some version of the bills got a good one like I think Bradley Chubb could be a good one

Age injury risks a lot of things in there that could be concerns and could be

Red or yellow flags, but I think there are things to like about what the bills have done here landing their second

Free agent in this process and of course their biggest one. Yeah, he's a he's a perfectly fine

Okay player, right? He's a good he's a good player. We can go that far. He's a fine good player

How much did he cost?

14 million per year not that much right? It's is it not the boss of contract with an additional season or two

It's probably more like a two-year deal really but with void years and all that like is you know, it's something that might be

A little bit chipping away at the cap for a couple of additional years after the first two, but that'd be the meat of it

So yeah, like it's it's a player that I don't dislike. I think he's a good player. I think he'll start for this team

Almost definitely right. Yeah, he's on the field at the end of games playoff games trying to close him out

I think that's the other part of it

What do I have though?

Do I have a guy that is a better player for that than what I've had before?

Probably I have someone who's maybe in line with the it's about the same Mario Addison's of the world and what Joey

Bosa maybe was that Bosa was just so bad at the end of last year. So maybe it's better than that

It like that's about the level. It's Jerry Hughes before that. It's you know, this is a mid

It's a mid defense event and

I

Don't dislike the signing on its own at all

Just it's here. I've got another offseason where I feel like I'm having to be convinced why this middle of the road player

Is going to really help the Buffalo Bills

That's been their offseason. They've dished out what amount of money this offseason to DJ more

Conor recovered and Bradley Chubb

That's the meat of their offseason right now. Yep. That's a lot of money

They've tied up how much would do we know how much they've tied up in Dawson nox and that too keeping him around right good players

and you know like

I don't want to be cynical about every signing they make. I'm gonna have a hard time being

Excited about anything that's more than 10 million dollars for the bills that isn't a star player

Right you'd much you'd probably much prefer Hendrixson

Instead of the two of those three. Yeah, right two of the three

I was gonna say or three throw if you want to include nox on that because if they just cut bait

Maybe they would have had more space right like just not

Feeling like you need to fill every single position with a guy you've heard of a middle of the road contract guy

They just live in the middle class with contracts, and again like on their own. I don't hate them a govern deal

I don't hate the

I don't hate the Bradley Chubb deal. I hate the DJ more contract a little bit and trade for the pick you and trade for the pick

But all together

Feel like they're just making it harder

To sign the guy that Baltimore signed yesterday in the future again

I'm at a point now where I would almost just rather have them only signed D. Alfred's

Signed guys for six million bucks and less and you know maybe don't use all of your cap space and feel like you need to fill

Every hole with that level of player. Maybe you keep some flexibility

So that the next time that a trade Hendrickson or a max crossbeak becomes available

You're the team that's able to offer that deal to Hendrickson to get it over the line

Instead of well, no, I can't do that because my cap is in a place where I can offer the best player that's available

33 million dollars a year why because I've got eight guys that all make between 10 and 16

You know, I had the thought yesterday and if you want to give us a call on this 803 05 50 and 1 8 8 5 5 2 5 50

Hey bills Mafia

We have a free agent to talk about dimming D. Alfred as a guy. I'm not sure you had too many thoughts on yeah

Bradley Chubb give us a ring on this

I was looking at the list of players that the commanders signed and it includes like half of what I thought the bills would do this off season

You know Adafé O.A. would be a bigger fish to land. Yeah, then Bradley Chubb

Leotion alright Leotion. All they got for about 8 million

Kalei sorry Kalei on chase on one year 12. Yeah, that's a young guy that's kind of reinvented himself one to do England

Like it's a one-year deal with Washington

Like I'm not here to say I know at all who will be the best signings of this free agency period

It did kind of hit me yesterday that attempting to call any player value

The day they sign is tough

We don't know who the value will be right was Joey Bosa good value

Maybe it was probably appropriate. Yeah, you spent 13 million and you got some plays

He only got 13 million because of the risk of how he would hold up through a season

And he didn't hold up through a season. Yeah, that's that's a kind of a part of it there

So you kind of got what you paid for and if you get what you pay for with Chubb

I think you get about the same as you got from Joey Bosa

So I would be prepared to say the bills are going to absolutely put a put a money line on this of minus 10,000

Get a pass rusher at 26

Like that is a hundred percent what they're going to do and have to do

Chubb is again like a good player

He's a lot like Russo is he not where there's not a speed rush element here

This is a guy that wins with power. He gets to the quarterback

You had numbers on this when they released him that he gets to the quarterback

But he doesn't get there quick

It's a guy that gets there through

Whatever knowing angles and the quarterback has to hold on to the ball long enough. He's not a quick pressure guy

I know we had quick pressure rankings and russo does not rank highly in quick pressures

But he gets there sometimes there are some plays where you're going to want to get there quickly

And some plays where you know of the coverage is holding up who can win in

Three seconds to 2.5

So he's one year removed from a couple of great seasons

He had he's had some great seasons the dolphins when they traded for him traded a first-round pick to do it

And I thought that was a good move for them. It's a lot like when the cults traded for

Sausgarder, which was here's Miami saying we want to try to be good now and they traded a first-round pick for

Bradley Chubb and

You know last season eight and a half the year before 11

So yeah, those are fine and he missed a year in between to the torn ACL

He has torn his ACL three times or at least his three ACL tears and over the same one all three times or two and one

But 11 sex

torn ACL eight and a half sex and he played every game last year

So you've got basically two seasons where he's playing most of this if not all of the season and then a full missed season as well

I think the number one thing about Chubb and evaluation of it is

You don't get a lot of bills fans hooting and hollering about it because it feels very similar to kind of what you said

This is the hired gun. They pay it defensive and almost every year the difference might be this one's gonna be for two years

Whether that's like you said Mario Madison. Let's go Leonard Floyd, Trent Murphy. Leonard Floyd was the last one probably

Leonard Floyd was a very good one. Yeah, and he's got 10 sex Bradley Chubb might end up being a very good one

It'll be good value if he plays

The whole contract and gets you eight and a half sacks on every one of those like eight and a half sacks

That's a good number. That's what he had last season on a bad Miami team

So when it came down my first thought was yeah, that's kind of big money. That's a lot of term

But they are desperate to get players that that play that position

There might be a little bit of a question about scheme fit people thought the bills would have more

Of a mine for speed rushers which Chubb is not thought to be

But they needed help there the reaction around the league is that's expensive

But that's pretty much how free agency goes

I'm one that likes to push back on every single point about how expensive free agency is

Because of course you should never be surprised by it. That's how this works. Yeah. Well on how expensive it is it's

It's a middle class contract for me on like just the the level of money that you're spending

There's so many between 10 and 20 million dollar deals

For the bills for his position. It's really not that expensive, right like where would where does he rank in the league

He's got a rank really low among address. He makes not very high

He makes a third almost a fourth of what the top guy in the league makes at his position

Like that's not big money if you're making less like a less than a third of the money that they number one guy is

It's not big money relative to miles Garrett

It might be big money relative to 30-year-old defensive ends who have a three-tone ACLs

Maybe guarantee him he makes four million dollars less per year than Cleel Mac does okay

Who's on another one-year deal and he's on a one-year deal. He makes uh boy mafe got 20 million a year, right? Yeah, like it's cheaper than that

He's a younger actually, but he might not be a younger player. They might be about the same. So I

Mafe is 27 27. All right, so maybe it's it's a two-year difference

Um, so he I don't think it's really that expensive

for what his position is that that is like that

I would say that signing is the one I have the least problem with this offseason like the middle class point to me

That is frustrating me about how they're building is more about the collective

It's more about what they've done again this offseason in totality

Chubb

I think would be the least problem I have because he comes at the most expensive position

All right, like McGovern and DJ Moore the level of player you're getting for those two at 30 plus million dollars per year

Like that to me is different than well, you're shopping around in ed rusher like you're not really gonna do much cheaper

You can't go bargain bin

I think the same way with ed rusher because more guys are playing more guys are on the field

And then especially center

Right, like I just guess with if you were gonna sign Bradley Chubb and you were gonna bring in a DJ Moore on that contract

You signed Conor McGovern to 13 million dollars a year

I think that made it harder for them to sign tray Hendrickson

And we'll make it harder for them to sign the next tray Hendrickson

Yeah, it also is possible they weren't going to sign Conor McGovern until the quarterback got involved

Right, that's a good question for being

Whenever he does speak from anybody that wants to ask in the media whoever goes down

Is do you think this deal happens without Josh Allen the story and the reporting is that Alan stepped in on both sides

Like does he bridge the gap on the McGovern deal? Okay, like if he wants McGovern

He likes McGovern. He sees the value of keeping that guy that makes sense

And I think we all think Conor McGovern's a good player. Right. I mean what you're getting to not two if you want to include him

Right right right right. I mean, I kind of joke yesterday the friends and family plan the offense is friends and family

And it doesn't have to be

unsuccessful

DJ Moore is extended friends and family we know this guy right way we have familiarity so

It could all work out. They could all you know fall in line the thing I end up thinking about is it

It's kind of an offshoot of your point about chub here

We hear again the bills were in on Hendrickson

Right someone yesterday

Made up an AI comic book cover. I don't know if you saw it. I do not see this

It was some version. I'm gonna get the phrase wrong here. See if I can find it though

It was in on things man

And it was a AI comic book picture of Brandon Bean and his checklist of players. He was in on

But of course didn't get right in on tray Hendrickson. They were in on max crossby

They're in on a receiver at the deadline and the joke was from this person posting this was like a congratulations on all players that you're in on

Hmm you don't land them anymore like when are you gonna land one and

There's a case that Hendrickson cost too much money

But the bills are consistently in on all the big names and since Vaughn they haven't closed the deal

Like would they rather have Hendrickson and I I almost wonder

If they thought they might get Hendrickson when crossby was going to go to the Ravens

Which by the way the Raven stories now they want them both

Which which is it's tough to tough on believe it's tough to buy unbelievable that is tough to buy

I also have decided though amidst this crossby saga that the only thing more ridiculous

Maybe than that is some of the people losing their minds

Suggesting like the league must do something about what has happened like I feel like everyone got everyone got a little too dramatic

About what happened between the Ravens and crossby and where things stand now apparently also

He's like fired up the play for the Raiders again good for him. We'll see good luck dude

So anyway 80 350 what do you think of the chub signing? I think that it gets fine

And I get the sense that Bill's mafia might be a little bit

Okay, I don't get excited about this kind of move because I see this move all the time from this team

And this is exactly the kind of move they do

While constantly chasing a pass rush

And

Rarely getting what they think they're gonna get

They'll probably get

exactly what the contract is worth and

If they draft the first round pick and that guy ends up being awesome

Well, then they'll probably find their pass rush and if Jim Leonard scheme comes together

Then they'll probably find their pass rush, but you know chub as as the primary guy doing it

I might have dreamed of crossby might have dreamed of Garrett might have dreamed of Hendrickson might have dreamed of Jonathan greener

Might have dream like there's someone who's really really great at the position. Yeah, it's it's they're any of them

There are parallels to DJ Moore which is we were talking about Marvin Harrison Jr

We're talking about Mike Evans. We're talking about you know

No, no, no, no, no, and then they go with DJ Moore. It's like okay. Well, that's a guy that can play and you're definitely better

And I feel like the parallels also match to what do you well? How could you be upset?

This is an upgrade which by the way, I'm not upset about either one because in both cases

They are a massive upgrade. I think the general point you seem to be making and I understand this and agree to a large degree

I just at some point would love to shoot higher. I and I feel like part of what makes it harder

I think they did shoot higher. I was gonna say maybe maybe shoot hours from I'd love to hit a target on some higher

Like they shot they went for Hendrickson. I think their actions proved that right they didn't do

They didn't do anything in the first two days of free agency and

I think what probably happened there was again

They were going after Hendrickson and they couldn't do anything until they knew the answer on that

So they took their shot

But why were you unable to get it to the finish line? Why was Baltimore able to give Hendrickson that contract and you weren't able to

Was it just that you were uncomfortable with it or was it that you're uncomfortable with it because

I've tied up a lot of money and a lot of different guys

And you know an advantage the Baltimore has the bills don't have right now all the guys they have on rookie contracts that are contributors

All the picks they've hit on in the last couple of years that are filling starting positions while the bills are filling them with

Guys, they've signed in free agency which when you do it over and over and over again

It gets expensive when you sign your own that are only middle of the road guys

Over and over and over and every single one of them you feel the need to keep

Except for David Edwards who wasn't a draft pick I guess that gets expensive like to me

I was looking at their cap for next year

Because I saw the point of well, that's not why you wouldn't sign Hendrickson because his cap it would be low this year anyway

Well, so with anybody any of these guys right like the reason you're not doing that is because

next year

Beyond Alan at Oliver Dion Dawkins DJ more Greg Russo Spencer brown Christian Benford are all like 20 million dollars plus

On the cap

Not per year like that's the cap hit and you can move that stuff around

But that's your starting point you already have

So much money tied up in guys that are not elite players at the top of their position

I feel like I'm stuck in this endless loop where I didn't get Hendrickson this time

And am I gonna get him next time? Well, no because I got Bradley Chubb on the under contract

I got Conor McGovern under contract and I've got Dawson Knox still under contract like I probably won't get him the next time because I can't offer

As much as some other teams

Because I sign everybody like I'm in the mood to see them trade Osiris torrents today right just don't sign another guy

Don't sign another guy can Cade put him both into a trade trade him both

I don't want to pay both of them and then prevent myself from again

being

Unable to sign the best players that become available every single year

I'd keep those players until like contracts rubber than the conversation we have

I'm just looking immediately at we knew where they were from a cap stand point

And again like cap jail is a point that's made a lot by a lot of people like why are the bills constantly in cap jail

This is why you know, this is it. It's not just Josh Allen makes a lot of money

They do this do you know what they rank in cap space next year

Go already going next year. I would guess it's really low 31st. Yeah, oh

So like they it's always

Just whatever it's it's this and they're always good like that's worth pointing out. They're always they're always good

Whether you think it's just Josh Allen lead you know

Bleeding the way, but they have a good roster and good players

But yeah, the model doesn't often leave space for

Landing the biggest fish and in part because

They always fill up their cooler with the smaller fish and then the middle fish and the next task for this

They're gonna be torrents and concade. I think I'm gonna sign them. I think I sign those guys

I think we will definitely

That that's the thing like a GM gets credit when you draft and develop and then sign your own

I know there's so much credit given to the GM for signing one of his own

And when you sign somebody in free agency as we're doing here

It's sometimes treated as it's expensive or just some guy

But free agency is a place where you of course you have to hit and

Chubb could be a hit chubb. He really could if he stays healthy

It could also kind of blow up and that I feel like the same for more like more could really hit or he could just be

You know a guy that's going the route of another receiver that you know at 30 or 31 kind of

Ages out and hits a wall 803 0 550

He's 28 though

3029 this year so more yeah, he's not hit the 30 year old. He'll be 29 by the start of the year. I think yeah

803 0 550 sabers and capitals tonight

We've got Sal joining us at seven. We'll get his thoughts on

Bradley Chubb

Dom decision on the sabers and on the NHL coming up at nine o'clock saw a very interesting graphic

I'm pretty sure it's from him about the sabers

Stanley cup odds

I'd look to have a conversation about their Stanley cup odds because something jumps out about that

Jeremy and Joe give us a ring 803 0 550 are you fired up by Bradley Chubb?

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Got a really forgot what your receiver one is really good at and then as your receiver one bringing anybody alone

With him to take some of the pressure off of the receiver one that is quoted to be the receiver one

So if that's not happening then the receiver one is just out there just playing ball and and getting strapped

And then if you don't have nobody else out there like other teams have we have to go out there and

Just play as a unit

I'd like to know that question

Uh DJ Moore

Taking questions I

I could try to give you the quiet. I was listening to that on my way in

Um

Stern Nate

Was it on Howard Stern? It was on

107 seven new country no wait go on 107 seven now um

Yeah, it was basically like how do you feel about you know

Bill's fans the organizations hasn't had a number ones and stuff on digs got traded

Like how do you feel about being cast in that role basically that was that was the question. I think it was from Matt Perino

Who by the way will be in here co-hosting next week with john scott uh from one to three the rotating cast of uh

Characters continues and the one to three times live here

DJ Moore 16th among active players in receptions

six hundred eight

I don't know what we're supposed to take away from whatever that was

He is the wide receiver one on the bills. I mean that can't not be true. There's no question about that

There's no question about that. So I don't know if he's like ready to

Try to live up to that, but yeah, there's no there's no parsing anymore

There has been for like two or three years now maybe two right when was digs traded since post digs two seasons now

We have parsed what is the wide receiver one what is it worth who is it how badly do you need one how do you just right

How do you define it there's no doing that anymore. It's this guy. It needs to be this guy

Alec Pierce

resigned in Indianapolis

for huge money

More even than DJ Moore is making and they had a press conference and one

Report was like eight to ten targets again

Well

Alec Pierce his targets are down the field

There's no way that gonna that's gonna continue and he's gonna get ten targets again on that sort of level

Like that's not gonna pretty possible 47 passes last year. I mean

But

That and that was a possibility that was an idea in free agency. I don't know is he a wide receiver one

How do you even want to define that is it just the best receiver on your team? Is it the top 32 guys in the league?

I guess it's all debatable, but here

Oh like it's got to be DJ Moore. He's got to be ready to try to live. I'm not sure it's well

It could be eight to ten targets game. It probably should be

But they're not gonna be all you know deep shots. Yeah

Yeah, I don't know I guess

I know we've talked around it and about it for two years

I don't know that I really have the clear definition even in my own head of what what it really means like what is

Wide receiver one. I know

It's easy to look at the bills the last two years and say they didn't have it and by that

I just mean they did not have a guy that deserved to be fed

That's that maybe is is the base sort of ground floor foundational definition

I would expand it from there, but do I have a guy that's good enough

It amongst my group that deserves to be fed is he going to is he more dangerous?

Is he going to get open consistently will he have chemistry with my quarterback if all those things are true

Then I think I have a wide receiver one

I've got a guy that warrants the quarterbacks first thought

I mean, I know they're gonna be different plays where different guys are the you know the intended target and whatever play design but like

I think a DJ more meets that criteria well enough for me is he

Wide receiver one on every team in the league. I mean, of course not

You know, he might be wide receiver 20 out of the wide receiver ones

in the NFL at best, you know, but he's

Qualifies he meets and he meets the base level criteria for me

Of that on this team right now. So

From there, I mean, I don't know like the Alec Pierce all along to me felt like the great the best idea you could have

If you already have a wide receiver one I'm gonna bring this guy in and

He is gonna do this one thing really well

And he will get some targets because of it and I'm gonna pay him heavily because I can afford it and make it sing

But I don't think his career to this point tells you he deserves being labeled wide receiver one. I love that point

2021 digs put Alec Pierce across right like that. We are humming. That's you know, you know

That's a great idea, but no, I'd ever like that

I mean, of course, it was going to cost a billion dollars, but never like that idea for this year

I mean, Cleal Shakir

76 catches in 2024

72 in 2025 both times leading the bills you're looking at like 45 yards of game

45 50 yards of game four and a half catches or so on average

per game like that's not wide receiver one adjacent. That's not even close to that

But he is the number one receiver they have right and of course they went about correcting that and they probably have

But to what extent I guess we'll find out. Yeah, to me way, you know, we we've all weighed in on the price

Maybe me least of all because I wasn't here the day it happened um

but

It yeah in a way more credible fashion they addressed it than they did last year like to me the idea that Josh Palmer

What was Amy anywhere near gonna be that player was insane and I thought that the bills even ever said that right

But we we're hoping for an upgrade and a decisive market one at that to the receiving core and they brought us Josh Palmer

And we all kind of went yeah

That's probably not gonna do it and it didn't

I think more has a chance to be a 100 catch, you know, 1200 yard receiver on this team

Um, you know, I right now I would take that if he if he gave you that with, you know, I don't know eight touchdowns or something

That's a great year. That's a hit

Um, I think that's and that's not insane to have ever thought about Josh Palmer doing that would have been insane

Yeah, well, I'm not copping to that

Because I never thought it would be half that with Palmer maybe that'll be different if more hits

Then Palmer if healthy can really play an interesting complimentary role

Uh to more here's George with outside George

Afternoon, uh, you know, I I guess my expectations are

Limited with more because I don't think they're off that leads to kind of

You know

Thousand yard brook. We know why receivers. I think we're run heavy

Uh, I mean my expectations would be seven 800 yards and about eight touchdowns and

You know, I'd be fine with that because I think you have about two other guys that are probably into five six touchdowns or 500 yard

I just don't think we have that type of offense that would produce a

1100 yard. So, you know, I think everyone should manage their expectations a little bit. I I can't imagine more

You know, if he doesn't get a thousand yards, everyone's gonna be PO, you know, and I mean and I don't think that that's

What he's set up to do here. Well, I wouldn't assume that thanks George. I appreciate your take on this

I don't think everybody's mad if what did he say 800

Yeah, I don't think everybody's mad. I think what they I think what most people want

From the bills is macro

somebody who can

Scare defenses who can matter do respect to Shakir

Nobody other than I guess cook in a different way

Has been that at all Coleman has never been that Palmer was never that even with the chargers

Like just somebody that matters from a game plan standpoint. I think we want that that was that that's kind of the underlying

Point in making a move like this and then

Ultimately what it is is in the playoffs when it comes down to it the bills have all these close playoff losses

This guy makes the play. He kind of did that for the Bears

He did not have a huge year he had his worst years statistically ever for Chicago, but

Game on the line laid in the season the green bay playoff game right bomb to DJ Moore touchdown

Like he gave you that and that's what the bills have not been able to find right he held on to that ball like every time

You see that highlight obviously we've seen it now maybe more than other people because he's on the bills now

So you just you know you're getting DJ Moore highlight reels, but that play it's a it's a it's a

One of the biggest plays in the playoffs this year. So it it gets airtime

Every time I watch it it stands out to me how he rolls to the ground and holds on to the ball

It looks very similar to Brandon cooks to me against Denver

Not that the guys rip it at it, but like it's it's it's same kind of catch and he rolls over and he's got the ball

Like he held on you know

Really big play and that's yeah, I'm gonna need you to do that in January

Because this year I I couldn't I couldn't do it in January that ball was

You know close enough should have been caught a lot of people think it was I don't happen to agree

But whatever you make it so it can't be taken away from you caught hold on

You right catch the ball

Yeah, that was a great catch and it almost looks like how is he not injured? He sort of stays down

Yeah, right in the backers. So

That's it. I mean that doesn't even have to be DJ DJ more

But if he has the kind of season that gets them to that game again and somebody else makes that play and maybe it's because DJ

More is getting double teamed or something then you win. I don't think it's a stat threshold

That needs to be reached. I mean they have one

12 or so games a year for years here with Shakir

Catching 72 for 600 or set whatever that number is I don't even know like

He can top that I

Don't feel like that means it will not be considered a success if you'll allow the um double negative

So yeah, I mean what the bills have it for all the talking

What they haven't had is the guy in the playoffs

To

Get it done and that includes digs

I mean for as great as digs was

In his career he was neither the player that in the playoffs. It didn't really happen Kansas City

What is it one for three in the game Davis game and Davis has the career day

Just did not have big games and that goes back for me

Maybe the new England perfect game. He did some things but like everybody did right

Right everybody ate against new England in the playoffs. Yes

That goes back to that one conversation I had with Eric Eager now with sumer sports

Oh, I have to tell you something about sumer sports. I'm glad I brought I thought of this

Where Eric was on the show one day talking about in the playoffs the value of the unappreciated value of the wide receiver two right and how since an addy had that and the rams with

Cop and Beckham at the time like in the better teams all year to game plan for you

They can take away your best guy. We saw that with digs to a to a point

But if you have a second guy there in trouble you can you can exploit them right if you have the second guy in the bills really didn't

Although Davis, I mean, that's a historic right performance in the playoffs sumer sports. I'll reach out

Okay

There was a clip yesterday

You know who that is yeah, I know super sources Eric. Yeah, there. No, he left actually for the Panthers

He's with the Panthers now, but Lindsey Rhodes, you know, it's a respected sports analytics site football analytics site

um yesterday. I'm just sort of

Looking at Twitter like you do we're not really

You know completely zoned in but yeah, there's no real objective in mind your mouth is opening through right

And there's a clip of an analysis. I'm saving the

The big one. There's a clip of an analysis of a tight end uh the Ohio State guy

And who's offering it Pete Mezzellars. Oh wow, and it's a video where you see Pete and he's talking about this

I don't know the name of the guy probably should uh, but you know, I have my drafts are like still a month off

And I'm like we should totally get Pete Mezzellars

If he's in the analysis business like if he's

Scouting prospects in that for sumer sports. Oh, he could be our new best friend

How much time have you spent with him?

I'm none probably have talked to him once or twice on the radio

Yeah, same same, but that but that's it and I don't even know if that predates us which would go back, you know, 23. I don't think you and I have had him. Yeah

I mean, he might just hate the idea so I don't know I'm not I'm not assuming anything is max clear

The Ohio State head end you're thinking yes

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K-L-A-R-E

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I'm looking at it right now. There's no I six four two forty six

There's no I in Claire or team

Yes, so maybe Pete Mezzellars is in the space right what's hit up that totally or hit that up. I think whatever either both

Sal Capaccio at four Mike show up in the Bulldog Sabers capitals the night downtown pregame at six year on WGR

you

C-J Gardener Johnson the bills have a new safety

He has been a

Super Bowl champion has been with the Eagles twice and both times he was with the Eagles

They went to the Super Bowl former Saint former Raven briefly Texan briefly Sal Capaccio joining us on the

Western hotliner Buffalo Bill's Beak reporter to talk about the addition of C-J Gardener Johnson Sal. Good morning

Good morning guys. How are you? We're good. We're good. This is a this is a very interesting one

I feel like last year

Maybe Michael Hoyt was the signing where we thought like okay this this means they're gonna start doing things differently on defense

We didn't see a whole lot of hoi because of the injury and this one might be a

Another version of that Sal where it's the kind of

Personality character can I go there and say like we've talked about C-J Gardener Johnson in the past

But he bounces around and maybe wears out his welcome sometimes, but he's a heck of a player

And that they've added him on a one-year deal. Maybe indicates a new

Head coach a new kind of culture created here where they're more open to some players than they maybe maybe would be in years past

Yeah, I mean, I've seen a lot of reaction of um, you know

Sean McDermott would never sign this type of player

Maybe I don't know. I don't know if I want to go that far but I do want to say that like this is certainly a different type of player

He's just different than anybody really a lot of guys. Um, he does bring an edge to him

And you know, it's funny. I'm thinking about like trying to compare him to like a hockey player who gets under your skin

Like a Peyton Krebs or someone like that

I don't know and then all of a sudden makes a big play, right? I mean, I think that's who you're getting here

But um, there's a reason why he's also as you said been on so far in a NFL career

He's only guys 28 years old and he's been on five different teams. It's not because he's a bad player

But like you said, maybe that personality you you get him in for a year yet you do your job and you move on from him or something like that

He's one where he's been. Uh, that's good. You know, and and and that's a that's a good trait to have obviously

We know that as well and guys you go back to 2022 in Philadelphia

He only played 12 games yet led the league with six interceptions that year

He had another six interceptions in the Super Bowl year of 2024 with the Philadelphia Eagles

Like this guy gets to the football he understands how to do that

Through his career as 20 interceptions through seven years. That's that's a that's a nice number there

Yeah, and you know, the think about C. J. Carter Johnson here is like it's not a surprise sale

So if you meet with him and you talk with him and whether your coach is meet with him like one of the things he has sometimes a reputation of doing is

Is being unhappy with how he's being used he has an idea of how he wants to be used like a receiver that wants targets

Right, he I make plays put me in position to make plays like that kind of thing

So um, you think the bills it's not like they're gonna get blindsided here and they must think that he's exactly the kind of guy that they are willing to

Take a one-year flyer on to make plays in this defense and to me a one-year deals as they do this defensive turnover

I always thought one-year deals would be something they would lean into as they build out what Jim Leonard ultimately wants to get to

Yeah, I think that's a good point. I agree with you um

Get one-year deal guys in here see what you can do with them if they fit here

It works for you. You know, maybe they parlay that into a big payday. They leave that's fine

Um, that means they played well and if not you see okay, there's a guy that we can go you're going forward

I I think one of the things that's happened here is we're trying to figure out and people have said and you go back to what

Joe Brady said about year one and that made some rounds you know from the combine

You know the people are thinking well is gonna be a two to three-year type of rebuild in the defense

The bills don't intend on having a two-year two to three-year rebuild in the defense

They're rebuilding it on the fly and they're gonna intend to go out there and be you know the best defense

They can under Jim Leonard, but what you said is right Jeremy, which is while you're doing that

You still have to figure out to make sure all these parts work and if you commit to somebody long term

And it doesn't that can wind up hurting you because they plan on obviously still being good for a while

So then you go back to what is his role um

This fits the exact type of player the Jim Leonard talked about

When going back to his introductory press conference and I specifically asked him about please describe three four four three

How it's evolved over the years and he used the word that I've used a lot that we

Used a lot positionless players

CJ Gardner Johnson is kind of a positionless player. Yes. He's a safety. He's also a corner like he he's a versatile player

Not that he's positionless in the regard of while he can just play anywhere

But he has flexibility a lot of flexibility. We've seen that. I think we're seeing that now with a lot of these guys

They're signing Bradley Chubb on the front seven as a outside linebacker defensive end pass rusher de-alford cornerback

Nickel outside

Maybe even can play a little bit of safety in a pinch if you need them

These are the kinds of guys that they're signing now on the defensive side and it makes sense

Because Jim Leonard even said this is the kind of defense he wants now you look at what they're doing at safety

Cold bishop. What did he say about cold bishop when he's when he got hired?

He's the kind of safety. He always wishes he could be and he wanted to be he can move him around

He can do a lot of things I think Jordan Hancock could be that kind of safety CJ Gardner Johnson just fits right in that same mold

I have you done any digging to on like the like not maybe off the field stuff

Like the reasons why he's being described as well like Sean McDermott would never have wanted a player like this

Which I'm seeing a lot of and I saw that to you. I thought of it too

But I don't know like the more I'm looking into it

It's you know like okay, so he got into a fight with Michael Thomas in New Orleans

It's not like Michael Thomas attacked him and he was the one who got suspended not Gardner Johnson

You know the on the field fights are guys attacking him

So maybe what like he's just the ultimate instigator and that can be you know, that could be its own thing

But it's not like you know, he's the the combatant. It feels like in a lot of these situations

No, that's what and that's why I that's why I use Peyton Krebs as a kind of an example right Joe, which is like

It gets under your skin and you know, you're gonna probably wind up getting into a scrap with them or something like that

And then maybe winds up scoring a big goal. Maybe gets an interception. Yeah, it look I think at the end of the day

Yeah, he's he has an edge to him

He has a type of personality that the bills I think want to start to be a little bit more like and having guys like Michael Hoyt and bringing in guys who

CJ Gardner Johnson who the other team kind of the as the game goes on you you'll figure out how to push their buttons a little bit

So but he's he's a good football player and they want good football players and as long as he's doing what the coaches tell him to do

And he's not causing disruption on his own team

I think have added go out there and and do your thing

What is it six million dollars? I think it's being reported as if right now right I think that's the yeah

A number one you have okay, so it what's funny is like last year

They I know he's older in a different situation, but

They brought in right around this time. Maybe a little after Trudevius White for six years up to eight

I think this is what this is. It's a replacement. It's the same kind of thing here where you're bringing in a player a

Person into your secondary that you're committing some money to not a ton

But enough where you say he's gonna play and we'll see what happens after a year

And now I look at the depth chart and I think about okay, you still he's a safety, but he can play corner

What does that mean for a guy like Trudevius White? What does it mean for how they're shaping this roster right now

I still think they have room for another outside corner, but I think right now you're looking at cold this up

CDA Gardner Johnson

And Jordan Hancock as your three main safeties and it doesn't preclude them from getting another one

But it does feel like that's kind of trending in that air that way right now

You wouldn't expect that also the adding another one to be a premium asset like the first round right

You know Joe. I don't know. I think

It would still be on the table if they really felt they had somebody there that they loved that much that they could insert into this defense

But you know if you're gonna you already have cold bitch up if you're gonna commit this much the way to CJ Gardner Johnson

He's not playing corner on this team, right? I mean think of the money and where he plays

He's not starting over Christian Benford. He's not starting over

Max Harrison. He's making six million dollars not a ton of money

But yeah, I think I would go a little bit more away from that now because you're probably giving him enough money

Where you feel like like he's gonna play for you and where's he gonna play that?

He's gonna play safety right not only that like not only the money

He's a guy that in the past has fallen out of favor because he wants to play

So like I just feel like yeah, you're giving him assurances or you know like if we don't play this player

He will

leave

So

Whatever he's a guy that's gonna want to be on the field

Sal if we're talking about needs and like where they go from here the Bradley Chubbs signed the bills

Wonder if you have any real take on this like they list him as a linebacker, right?

Which is this is like the Von Miller linebacker edge kind of deal like you've got chub listed at linebacker by the bills

As we approach the draft and we're a month and two weeks out basically

I am ready to declare and it'll be take a long time to move me off of

What they're gonna do at 26 sure they can move back sure they get but is is it not

Bendy edge rusher that is exact is that is the biggest most glaring need on this team and they've got

They signed chub and chub has a job out there, but he's he's more power

I feel like they're gonna want a speed rusher that can get to the quarterback and at 26

There'll be a good number of them to look at in the strap

That's our christer passos saying they're like 11 edges deep. You're doing pretty well in this group to deep edge class

So I just think it's the it's the

Maybe missing piece. Maybe there's multiple missing pieces

But they need someone with speed in the in the rushing game

Yeah, it makes sense. I mean, I have still wonder if maybe receiver could be on the on the board still at that point

I mean, they've only done one thing and that's go to the top of their depth chart of course with DJ more

But I think you can make an argument you could bring a knight a good young receiver in here

So I could be open to that

I still wonder if they feel that Dorian Williams is the linebacker answer next to rubber and art

This is a good linebacker draft as well guys

I mean you could find a linebacker there where you think you could pug him in and under under

Brandon Bean

This team did that which remain Edmonds and I know that Matt Milano wasn't his draft pick

But he wound up starting that that year, you know after beam was hired and then they had him for and then what do they do?

It's Robert art. I mean that we have we have history of this regime this general manager putting in young linebackers for several years

So I wonder if that's a plan but it could be Dorian Williams who's on a one-year deal

I agree they still need another speedy edged rusher, but again

It's not just the speed and I'll go back to that cover station

I think a reference with you guys when I had Brandon Kristallon and from the combine who covers the Broncos

And he said the big hallmark of the Broncos guys were

It wasn't necessarily power speed or length. It was ball get off like they just got off the ball so quickly

Then it really helps you and I think that's something that like we have to look at those numbers right when it comes to Bradley

Chubb or whoever when you're talking about how they list him Jeremy

Yeah, have we had that have we had this discussion and I want everybody to get used to the term

I don't know if everybody's heard this yet. I want everybody to get used to the term

Five man surface five man surface. It's not a true three four is not a true four three

A five man surfaces five players up on the line of scrimmage it really becomes a five two

So you have a nose tackle you have two guys outside them which could be at Oliver T.J. Sanders

Let's say and then outside of them

You have defensive ends who are actually linebackers you step up or drop back and from there you can go four man rush five man rush

Five man surface at something we're hearing a lot more of in the NFL

We even heard believe it or not. I don't know if people caught it

Joe Brady

I think it was where maybe Brandon being said this in Joe Brady's introductory press conference like they said the words five man surface in that

You're going to hear that term and I think that's why you see them now listed Jeremy as outside linebacker

Because the fifth man is actually a linebacker who walks up to the line of scrimmage the defensive ends are really like three four defensive ends

And I think that's what you're trending towards seeing here and then you think about who are your guys Greg Rousseau

Bradley Chubb and then Michael Hoyt and a lot of this

Your question Jeremy a lot of it depends on also what is Michael Hoyt's health situation?

Like what what do they feel about him and what he can do when you add him into the mix and what they can do with these guys

So two things quickly like I just feel like free agency. It's still happening

If they're going to get their nose they could do that here like DJ readers Sebastian Joseph Day or a couple ideas at nose

But back to what you said sell been then

Look into this one player and I doesn't even have to be about one player

But you know how the conversation about receiver a lot of us on receiver saying just a guy that separates

I want a separator it sounds like you know as you say

Ball get off if I'm looking at edge rusher anybody that's on the edge

It's going to be about their first couple steps, right? Like how quickly are they getting exactly right and the Oklahoma

There's an Oklahoma guy our Mason Thomas like he's this he's smaller, but ball get off is a lot like fast and furious

First three steps. So I'm kind of on him right now our Mason Thomas learn more about him

Um, what what is what is Nick Benito size real quick?

Nick Benito is funny because our Mason Thomas at the combine basically said like he's a Nick Benito style right?

It's great. I love that because that's exactly the player that Brandon Kristall in this conversation

I have with him use he goes look at Nick Benito is not he's a he's six three two 40

But his ball get off is amazing. Armies say he says that that that's what that's what that hallmark of that defense has been for the never Broncos

Yeah, he's six two two 49 is our Mason. There you go. So yeah, we'll see and I learned today his name

It's the letter R. Yeah, his name is our Mason Thomas and it's not short for anything. It's not our period

It's our space Mason Thomas. That's that's who he is and the interesting

Hayden Winks tweeted the cell that is the story is on his one on his I guess his mom's side of the family out a lot of the names begin with R

And she didn't like the R names. So she just named him our Mason Thomas. She wait. She didn't like the R names

But she felt obligated still to I think that's the story

What you guys familiar with you know the the DB Cooper

hijacking and all that back in the day. Yeah, yeah

His name has nothing to do with beat like DB the reason why he's called DB Cooper

I've watched some documentaries on this yeah because in the press conference

His actually name was Dan on his plane ticket

But one of the reporters misheard and thought that the person at the press conference said DB

So they listen to his DB Cooper forever and ever

You know speaking we were doing nicknames last segment. We need a we need a defensive back

Who's nicknamed is DB Cooper right as a nickname? Oh, yeah, you gotta be defensively with DB and your name. That's right

You need one

We'll sell thank you. We'll talk next week

You got it guys. Thanks. I have a great weekend. It's El Capacho arm asin Thomas

This is your guy now. I think he's the not receiver guy. It's not that I'm not receiver

I'm gonna spend the next six weeks

Just thinking that they're not going receiver in the first round and people can keep saying it

Don't see it. I don't see it

The one thing they don't have is like fast furious bendy Russia

And I don't think you can get that in free agency now those guys are hard to find

Good ones. So they're gonna draft one

And they don't have a second round pick so I gotta land a first and a third

And like where are they gonna go with an ad rusher? It's gonna be for it's gonna be the first round pick our mason Thomas

That's him. That's the guy nick bonito like go get one

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Yes, it is a Friday and I'll tell you right off the bat, though Derek

Jeremy and Joe kind of kind of a real

Yeah, wait it ended up. Yeah, come on. We got to follow that up. I didn't need to hear 65 on Monday. Oh great

Springs almost here wonderful

Selection Sunday was the day before so you know we get the best day on Monday. Great

Tuesday minus one because of the wind. What are we doing here? What is what is happening? And this follows for me

Off of watching one episode of the new dinosaur documentary and Netflix last night. Look at that's your fault. Yes

And I I already can't really like wrap my hand like my head around like most of the numbers

They were thrown at me in that documentary where they're you know the Morgan Freeman in his wonderful voice is trying to tell me that it

Rain for like a million years at one point. I'm like that cannot be true

And then I hear that and I'm like well, maybe it's not that far off

Maybe maybe maybe not that bad

Well, come on

I want to be able to wear the shirt the hoodie and the shorts combo

For like two days in a row. No, I can't do it. No

Like the real field thing is one thing, but also to still go from 60 to like 17

Is diabolical? We're long gonna eat sick again

I don't what's this we stuff you're talking about again again skill is you your fault

I've had like a four-year run where I have not had to miss work because of illness like I've been sick

But it's falling on like oh, it's a Friday night Saturday Sunday male Monday good

I mean, we just went through a run here

Shelton Bulldog we're getting sick Tim Graham was sick when he was filming like we can't we can't be doing this again

Can't be doing this we might have to be doing we're gonna be having to be doing this again with like a 50 degree drop

Absolutely disrespectful diabolical that is that is the word I'm going with there

Not what I want to hear also on the heels of the savers actually losing a hockey game for once

So I guess they're not comparable to like Odin and Zeus and no unfortunately the gods of mythology

I guess that's that's somewhat disappointing they are mortal they are more learned that yesterday

Um, they still came up with probably the funniest sequence that I was ever going to see

um

And when I say it like that

Not in terms of follies. I do mean you were trying

In a methodical way

And it still ended up hilarious. What do you mean cage Thompson got to fire off five consecutive one-timers?

And he really was open for all of them

Washington decided

Now we've seen this in practice all the time. We're not gonna cover it. We'll be fine here, I guess

Lindgren is used to saving all these on oviet practice

It really was one of my favorite sequences

Ever like in any kind of sports it really it was it was both laughable. It was really cool

The crowd reaction was awesome

Now the only thing that doesn't make it like maybe my favorite sequence is that number five is not a goal

Right or any of them are goal like if it went to like three or four

I think still would have been amazing. I think it has to get

Took I mean the last one it has to get to four or five

I think because like if you get to three in a row then you're just looking at Montreal going

You really let him do that three times in a row and he scored

Oh, it it would have been absolute bedlam if you let him do it five times in a row

And then he still scores

The roof would have been shouted off of the place if that happened

Because there's the crowd already loved it. Oh the crowd was into it which I think really signaled like kind of

It's already been there, but like just how good the servers have been and how much the fanbase is back

Because if we're talking like on a on a realistic schematic power play design level

That idea is

Terrible it is very telegraphed. It's not very good. You can tell Washington head kind of no desire to like figure it out

They know the sort of and it's sort of been many people's biggest problem with the power play is that it's very

Tage and darling centric and when you make it taged centric like that

It kind of dispels the effectiveness that even Thompson could have on the power play

Thompson lately has been picking up assists

If I'm washing in yeah, why would I break up my coverage

When the goalie is going to know that the puck's going that way

And I'm not opening anything up to where Tage can get creative and make a slap pass to someone who's uncovered

We literally see this in practice

Washington employs the same tactic

And no just because you let the sabers do it does not mean they'll let you do it back which they didn't

It's good for them so funny still still funny

I

You do wish you got out of that first period with more than a one nothing lead well

You're all over Washington you're all over from that period. I

Thompson in that sequence had as many shots on goal

Then Washington had

Yeah, I missed the caricle live. I'd obviously end up seeing the replay her dance call on on my drive home

And that was an incredible play but also like you looked at by the end of the first period like

I should be probably three now probably three one you know what have you they'll totally lose that game to one

We joked about it proves their mortal there were some negatives to that game that I think are somewhat glaring the Luke Shen Logan Stanley

pairing

Kind of makes you understand where Winnipeg was in the standings, doesn't it not even just where Winnipeg was in the standings

I think you really do have to question the idea of bringing

Either of them in let alone both of them because they really do not fit what Buffalo asks of their defenseman kind of at all

So Stanley was fine with castle ring again, San Jose he was fine, you know like

He's still going to be the lumbering skater, but you know, you don't typically want to pair the two tougher guys together

But you want to get Shen in the lineup at some point if there's injuries and the postseason you don't want him not playing for 30 games

That's kind of a big deal you wanted to get acclimated with the room you want him to get acclimated with people

What easier way than your teammate already from Winnipeg

but

I do wonder

How often the two of them will be deployed together how to how often the two of them will be in the lineup at the same time

Because yesterday showed that it probably shouldn't happen Stanley himself in particular had a rough game

He didn't have as rough of a game against San Jose

And I think that that's how it's going to end up being deployed at some point throughout the rest of the season

I also don't want to guarantee it's how it's going to be deployed in the playoffs like it has been the last two games

They're using a third pairing like an actual third pairing now

And

That's to help get the other guys a little bit of rest a little less minutes

Dallin plays only like 20 minutes or so against San Jose

It helps try to do that over the course of the season

I might even say to heck with winning the Atlantic

Get yourself a secure playoff fight with Detroit

honestly

I mean, it's just one loss. I think they're still very much in play for the Atlantic because Tampa has very much not been the same Tampa

Pretty Olympics to post Olympics

But I mean Shannon Stanley are the main faults on the tying goal to make it one one

And look yes, they are using me as a third pair pairing defenseman

But neither of them are particularly good skaters neither of them are very much pushing themselves into the offensive play

They're not pushing the envelope where the other two pairs like that's what they do

And I think that's maybe my biggest fear is well

I appreciate what Kekalainen is going for if we need to get tougher like we need to do this this and in this in the come-to-play-offs

Two of those guys don't play against Tampa

In a game where and they do just fine. Yeah hang on for the most part

They do just fine in terms of setting the tone. Yes, not getting bullied. I mean, it's a lot of fights and they're just fun care

You know, you want to talk about a good trade acquisition. We'll talk about that. We'll talk about that one in a bit

But the two guys you arguably do bring into kind of not get pushed around

Don't participate in that game and the sabers certainly do not get pushed around

They do that to Tampa Tampa gets all out of sorts

They're able to come back of course in the second period

But once everything kind of you know stabilized the sabers still look faster than them

And that that's a key for me is the speed how the sabers can tilt the ice

Very very quickly on almost anyone in the NHL

But when you have Stanley and Shen on the ice that doesn't seem to be the case at all

It's it's the fact that they're together doing it. That is the problem

And again, I don't suspect that that will be the case going forward

It's fine

It's one game get hopefully take the lessons that you needed to out of that and then you move on

However

You also need to score more than one goal

Yep, and most times you need to score more than one goal in a hockey game and

They just didn't they had a lot of good chances

I thought Lindgren played really well

Sometimes it's what can you do it took a freakish pass from everyone's new favorite player back Mellonstein

To Karek in order to make that a one nothing game. Mellonstein is really real quick

I do want to get to the bills here as well. They you mean Mellon goat. Yes. There we go

You know honestly though

The perfect fourth liner everyone falls in love with them everyone loves them

And he's got some weird little magic

Every now and then where you're just like excuse me. Where did that come from?

You mean Beck Mellonstein made that but the pass we've all seen the one goal because it's where he just does the the

Dangle over the guy. It's it's done perfectly

He just he has a little bit of magic every now and then I love him with Karek Karek's now

I got two rolls in four games play with sabers or three games in three games Karek by the way

We we talk about like okay, maybe the Winnipeg defenseman might be a little bit of a trouble some acquisition

Karek has proven that he might have actually

Helped the sabers pull the wool over Kris Jury's eyes

Yeah, he's he's a really fun addition and again

He's the kind of guy they brought in sort of to be tougher. He's done that and more

He's also been a skill upgrade over

Kozak and done mm-hmm and nothing against Kozak and done their fine players that will probably

grow into being

NHL stalwarts on a fourth line

Her mainstays on a fourth line

going forward in their careers

Karek is very clearly an upgrade to them

And he wins draws he's creating plays

He's generating momentum. He fights in the Tampa game. He scores that timely goal

So that the game doesn't get away from them in Tampa or against Tampa and

They are suddenly becoming this team of okay

Maybe you can

Get this upgrade that you needed and really fill out the rest of the team because now the fourth line has threatening chances

Karek has a beautiful pass to ten or piercing yesterday, right

Unfortunately, Lindgren makes a nice save

But the fourth line was homin fourth line was humming and that's with Tanner Pearson lineup a player that

Most people thought okay through a seventh that way for a 14th forward

Pearson played just fine

Really I mean because you're bringing up Tanner Pearson. I and you mentioned the scoring issues too

Alex talk very valuable to the lineup very clearly. He's out last night. You move players up and down

The lineup with it. You also had to break away

Oslyn from Norris

Which very clearly did not look like that was a winning combo

No, and this is where I did bring up though they needed to make trades was because of this stuff where yeah

They've been running hot, but they changed up the lineup a little bit last night and well before the line look good

You had others don't look very good

Zach Benson did not have himself a particularly strong game either

It is what it is again like we're joking about it proved that they're mortal

They've been on such a hot streak coming out of the Olympic I mean eight wins eight wins in a row

This is the first time they've lost since the Olympics

You know, I was sitting here kind of worried that they were gonna

Literally do everything before

The playoffs that they were have they were running too hot leading into the playoffs somewhat as a joke somewhat, you know serious

They're gonna play Toronto tomorrow Toronto. I think like little not have Austin Matthews

And the way the Sabers team has been playing this year. They don't stack losses

I feel very strong about tomorrow Toronto also has a bit of a

Yeah, who cares about this season in them? I think they should have it even more now and well, I mean

I mean before that they kind of did Jeremy hinted at it Toronto has something to prove tomorrow

Which is we need to stick up for each other

So you might need to see Stanley and Shannon lineup again, but

It's not together just not together

But that's probably what's gonna happen is Toronto's gonna have to prove it that they need to fight and stand up for each other

Because if you let Buffalo

start bullying you around

One game after nobody responds to the captain getting a neon knee

Oh boy, they're like a whole case study. I mean we can do that more in the offseason with Toronto, but they're a whole case study of just

Rooting a prime a prime kind of being ruined by you know

Extranuating circumstances. They had no control over covid. Obviously played a massive factor in the fact that the cap did not go up in the NHL

And so that really hampered them with all the contracts they signed

But then they also seem to have a bunch of guys who kind of none of them were

I hate putting it like this, but like the alpha that just in a plough series screw it

I'm putting the team on back. We're going right and they kind of never really seem to get that guy

I think they were maybe hoping to be Tavares it'd be one of the three guys

They drafted and never became that and now you're seeing here mariner's gone

It's Matthews. They can't score. They look terrible

Well, and then Matthews turned and turned Matthews into a checking center right it

Defensive for it's it's insane

I'd listen to a little bit of you know Toronto media with like their podcast and everything like that and it just

Never heard of a coach more hated than maybe us with Ralph Krueger in terms of like what have you done to my hockey team

but

Now it kind of like like maybe last night sort of like a perfect encapsulating moment of it all where Matthews

It's a clear dirty hit by gooties

He's maybe out now for the season maybe even longer depending on that knee injury and just no does anything

No one kind of cares knowing and looks that way really and they win last night too. I mean it breaks their losing streak

Yeah, and it's just who cares just I they could be maybe a case study more towards the offseason 716 803 05 50 the number to call

So I did mention the bills there as well

Haven't really on to talk about them too much even when I'm on the nightcap as well

Just because the sabers have been on such a hot streak and the bills have been so quiet up to this point in the offseason it kind of didn't feel

Right to bring up the bill right ultimately and and it's really no disrespect to them. It's just more

They're kind of doing their thing. It's not really that flashy. It's not even really you know bad necessarily

We'll get into that but the sabers were on such a run

It felt like if you didn't give them 95% of your attention you were sort of doing it wrong. It's topical

It's topical and it still obviously is and if you want to you know give your thoughts on last night's game the

Stanley and Shen partnership

Happy to hear it because

I'm a little worried about that because it does look like

Man, that's not what the analytical department would have looked for and I get worried that they were only brought in

To be

Punchers to be fighters. Yeah, and while you do need that

I think the sabers group kind of proved without them that they can do that

They did it against Tampa and so there is that little bit of maybe buyers remorse that I wonder if the sabers are having of like

Oh, we maybe didn't need to do that these guys can't do the trade looking at you Baltimore

Yeah, that's that one's tough. That one that one is tough

To the bills they do make some moves here the last few days Bradley Chubb comes in late last night right before the sabers game

See they got CJ Gardner Johnson comes in they also of course do make the DJ more trade

It's not the flashiest offseason by any means. It's not like what I think Washington now has the record for the most free agents brought in in like a three-day window or something like that

But I also don't think it's been a particularly awful

Offseason I really I would say far from it the Conor McGovern signing

I think was really out of nowhere. I was up in Canada with my girlfriend when that happened

I was like really oh my goodness

Okay, I was fully expecting both him and Edward to be gone purely for the price points and so

It's one one of the positives I kind of always give Brandon Bean

I think he does at times get bit by guys not developing further past the contract

But he's been very good at getting guys under market value keeping guys in house

Would have you so I thought that was really good the DJ more trade. I'm

Luke Warman and I'm not really saying anything new here

But a second round pick is worth it if he comes up with the play that both Dalton can Kate and Brandon cooks couldn't the last two years

Like it becomes immediately worth it

Yeah, I think I don't have a problem with any of the moves that have been made really

um

I do regret that they don't have more cap space to go swinging bigger

Yeah, but that's also the reality of the situation

I know that they're not going to do much

I also don't think that it's a good excuse. You shouldn't be saying it to the public

But I can also read the tea leaves and go my expectations will be tempered

You and I talked to Marcel Louis Jacques about Bradley Chubb being released from Miami and I was already for the idea

back then

So I'm not about to be a hypocrite now. Oh, they gave him so much money

That's free agency that is how that works

It's kind of how it goes and I also suspect that Chubb might be a solid signing

I just wish that they could do more and that has to do with the contracts that have been handed out

And some of the players that you did have to release

Because they're not living up to any expectations from where you sign them and

That's pretty much where I'm at

If the team can

Find some good draft picks in here because that's really where they're struggling as of late

Is not hitting any home runs within the draft

Then I'll be able to change my tune on the confidence level of Brandon Bean for agency. He typically does fine

Because that's not how you build a team

I do have an issue saying fine. I think that's kind of why they're in this position. Fine is also not great

That's fair

But like the wide receiver position Curtis Samuel Josh Palmer those are good contracts

He gives out and those two just do not hit that at all and it has become a bit of an anchor for them

You look at the safeties they've brought in the last few years where it's kind of supposed to eventually replace

Poirin hide and I guess even to a lesser extent rap and that's been a bit of a disaster the ed rushers

You know, I mean we're we're having this conference

It's it's an evergreen conversation of ed rusher and wide receiver for the Buffalo bills

It's still kind of is even with Bradley Jones

My biggest focus with him will still always be the draft. Yeah, I need you to hit home runs with players on cap friendly deals

Yeah, you're not gonna win a Super Bowl based off of free agent signings very rarely

I know I'll say like guys like Zach Bond to the Eagles two years ago

But even then you have a core established through the draft right you know, I think it's also trades

Trades are a big part of this

I still would have loved the bills to make another trade if they could have with that first round pick just to get

Because as you mentioned, they're not very good at drafting and I to a certain extent. I'm losing faith

I because I it we've had a large enough sample size to sit here and go

They they're not hitting it right now and they're in this window now

But I like where we're at with DJ more in terms of okay

If he can make the plays good it seemed like there was a bit of a disconnect

I know Zach Pearson a bear report was on shillble the bulldog

He kind of hinted that this while there's a little bit of a disconnect between the bears and more and to be

You could kind of point to that of them going to Luther Burton and Roman Dunesay and back-to-back years

They wanted to get younger. They kind of wanted to move off of them. I think that's understandable. He's 28 turning 29

Bradley Chubb

He comes in eight half sacks that would have led the bills last year

That would have led the bills last year and that's off of an ACL tear and they've got him at 14 and a half

Per year now. I mean, I think that's a pretty solid deal

I think that's under what Bosa was last year at a one-year deal. Don't remind me about Joey Bosa and to that if he's a better run defender than Bosa

Which hard not to be I think it's a bonus and then of course

The young town they do have specifically on defense

Dion Walker was a real bright spot last year. What does Walker become this year and another year

You know, well just in the offseason with Jim Leonard in this and another year in the NFL

There's maybe some things to point to of feeling pretty good about where they're at again

Not the flashiest offseason, but I will tell you this real quick

We joked about the Baltimore Ravens and trading two firsts for Max Crosby and then and then axing that

I wouldn't have made the deal if I was the bills

Specifically where Ravens worth because we talked about it

I think right before that trade went down of

I'm game to get rid of late first round picks. Yes, but getting rid of 14th overall

For a guy coming off of major knee injury. That would have been great. No

So that's kind of where

I do wonder if the bills were to have made that trade for example

I think Brandon Bean is honorable enough that he wouldn't walk it back though

He would have done it and he would have committed to it

So like that's the one thing that I would respect

I would assume Brandon Bean

Follows through like is it a heavy price? Yeah, then we're talking about that. Mm-hmm

We're not talking about oh your GM might be hated around the league now

It's it's such a weird thing because that is such a bizarre thing

I do think air to costa is gonna have to wear this for a bit

But that's the thing is I think it's only for a bit. There's only 31 other teams

And then you kind of cut that in half

Because you may not do deals with a lot of the AFC you're you're probably not by three at minimum

You're definitely not doing deals within the AFC North so all of a sudden it's like okay. Yeah, all right

Well, we'll talk to them. Yeah, I may do it with a little bit more of like a are you sure?

Are you sure? Well, we'll wait another day or two

Give them a little bit of the business like are you sure can we actually confirm this and send it in but I think ultimately

Like people are still going to end up doing deals with Baltimore

I think what was more insane is that they're still running with the the PR answer that they actually wanted

Well, we wanted both of them which like no you didn't okay

Sunshine and it was like oh, we lost Tyler Linderbombs. We're just gonna like load up on defense like that's not that's not how this works

It's not how that's gonna work and you're gonna pay two guys 30 million get out of here lying liars lie

Which is what it is I think Baltimore is further away than maybe they want to acknowledge that defense has a lot of holes and

Trandrickson is not covering that up and and that is also fair to bring up as much as I like the idea of Trandrickson or definitely max

Crosby they are on the older end and there is always a risk even as somebody like I mentioned

I wanted them to trade away late first round picks

There was certainly a risk though to bringing Crosby in with his injury is getting up there in age not anything crazy

But he is you know Trandrickson is older than him Crosby's getting up there

There's always that risk. It is what it is

I do want the bills to be more aggressive

But the DJ Moore does point to that that is an aggressive move in the sense of

Are you sure you want to give up a second round pick for a 29 year old receiver?

Well, the bills probably at the same conversation we just mentioned which is I mean if it

Gets us to the conference championship if it gets us to the Super Bowl because he makes the play that can cade or cooks

weren't able to

Then who cares that it was a second round pick

716 803 05 50 is the number to call you want to talk to Sabers game last night Luke Shen Logan Stanley

Bit of a stinker for them the Sabers do lose two to one. They're back in action though tomorrow hosting Toronto or the bills for

Agency as we just mentioned there. I don't necessarily know if it's really been that bad of a for agency run

We didn't mention I think really they're only clear need now slime backer

And they may be able to figure that out as we go here if you got a hold stay there

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