Beyond Trump’s victory: Voter shifts, trust and unity

0:00It's six eastern. It's three o'clock Pacific. This is a president of action. Coast to coast and around the world from the America out loud talk radio studios. If he says he's serious about something he means it's time for the truth be told with Booker Scott. The first time in the world. It was in the year 2000 24 presidential election. One could say it was the Hispanic vote and the black vote that took Donald Trump to the White House and be the 47th president of the United States. It's easy to see that it had a lot to do with it. Now you may say it was the younger voter to and that's true also. But it was the black and Hispanic vote that the Republicans had never gotten before that suddenly appeared in the black community. It's the black community that are going around in its sounds as if some of that support is eroding right now between the Hispanics and the black community. Is it is that really what is happening. I'm Booker Scott and this is the truth be told. Thank you for joining us. If you're listening live. Thank you so much. If you happen to find us later on the podcast on one of the many platforms where we are available. Thank you for making that extra effort to do that and find us there. I really do appreciate it.

1:23What's what's happening with the Hispanics in the black community is Donald Trump really losing them in a greater number than he would be his own base because some of the mega base is also eroding around Donald Trump. So I think that's a fair question. Let's see if we can get some real answers. There is a book that's called black voters red wave decoding the rise of Donald Trump's black support. And it was written by Reverend Damian Thaddeus Jones. He's here now. We're going to have a conversation and have him talk about what I'm trying to talk about. I don't know the answers, but as always on this program. I try to get people that can shed some light and maybe bring us the answers to these questions. So now let's welcome in to the program. Reverend Damian Thaddeus Jones Damian. Welcome to the program. We're here to have you. Booker, thank you so much for having me such an honor to be on your program. Excited for the conversation. Me too. And we were talking off air before we got here on the program. I really enjoyed our conversation. And I just wanted to keep going and keep flowing where we were. You look at the 2024 election and Donald Trump had great black support. Some people argue that that was the difference in the election.

2:39And maybe it was partially I think the Hispanics helped, but now we see is it possible that that support is eroding? What do you think? Do you think that it is eroding? Some and if so, why do you believe that would be the case right now? Well, I'll answer the top part of your question. In 24, absolutely. The black vote, particularly black men. I did a great part in taking Donald Trump over the top. And I'll tell you today that I am a Republican. I vote Republican because I'm a Trumper. And Trump spoke to and continues to speak to kind of that bravado and a lot of men that have been forgotten about push to the margins in the Democratic party. They tell you don't be masculine. Don't stand up for your family. Don't be loud. They say get behind the women. And Trump spoke to that place with that with men that said, hey, you can still be a man. You can still eat a steak. You can still have a beer.

3:39And that those he really, really excited a lot of men to come out and to support him. Now that said, your question is that support eroding today. I wouldn't use the word erode erode kind of insinuates that it's falling apart at the seams. I would say that that excitement that we saw in November 24 is not there as much today. Now I think it's probably sunny the little bit. But Trump is who Trump is. You know, he's not your polished politician. He's not going to say the politically correct thing. But we still are excited that hey, he's trying to protect our borders. Right. He's still trying to make sure that we're protecting our children and keeping the men out of women's sports and things of that nature. But I do think there have been some missteps in some some places just to sure up that excitement. And as we kind of move into the midterms here.

4:44I'm not sure that we're going to see those high levels excitement from black men, particularly all black voters. But I think it'll hold steady because when you look at what the alternative is on the other side. Democrats are still losing their minds. And so Trump, I think he's going to be okay. Let's go back to something you said there. You said there are some things that maybe have attributed to what we're seeing in I say erosion. You say it's maybe that's a little bit harsh. But the support is dwindling among the black community compared to 2024. We can all probably agree with that. What are those things that you see that make you think that that is happening? So and I tell my wife this all the time. When I voted for Trump, you know who he is. I voted for him in 20 and I voted for him in 24 and you know what you're getting. You're going to get some erratic behavior here and there. Right. You're not going to be surprised about that. And so you shouldn't be.

5:47Right. Right. So you mean I'm not looking for him to be some church saint. Right. I want to leave the country. But when Trump put on social media, those images of the Obama's as monkeys. That wasn't that wasn't a great move. Yeah, let's let's be honest here, Damien. Let's let's really show you. Yeah. No doubt about it. I made me cringe as well. Right. And it's things. It's things like that. Because he's he's done so much for the black community in terms of the HBCU funding. And you know, when you talk about the first step act and the ways in which he's helped get formerly incarcerated people out of jail. There's so many great things that we can point to that Trump has done for the black community. But then at the same time from a static and optics standpoint, then he'll go put his foot in his mouth and do something like that. But don't get me wrong. Listen, I voted for Obama in 18 when I was a Democrat. I don't agree with Obama's politically on majority of things. But they still are seen as this symbolic kind of camelot type of figure for black people.

7:01And when you go after black camelot, if you will, that kind of set some people back, especially those those listen, let me tell you this booker. Most Americans are in the middle. Any person that tells you that they agree with their particular party on every issue they're lying to you. Or they're a cultist in the middle or they're a cultist. You know, it's one or the other. Right. They're either lying to you or they believe it. And if that's the case, then they are a member of a cult, not a political party. But it's also one of the most black people in this country that are active voters are going to tell you where they are. Many of them are upset with the Democratic party. They are frustrated. They are angry. They are living with the Democratic party. But they've been told that they can't consider the Republican party because we've been told that Republicans are racist. Right. But there are a group of people that are open to considering it, all right, but they're right there in the middle So there you know when you break up with a girlfriend

8:02Don't go jump to another girlfriend kind of chill by yourself and kind of get to know yourself Most black voters are in the middle right now trying to figure out which way they want to go And so it's a prime opportunity for the GOP For the Republican Party locally and nationally to really get to put their feet on the ground and really build real relationship But when you have Trump making comments like that it gives those people pause about coming over and listening to The message and the good things that are happening in the Republican Party for black people and it sets it back a bit And that's when you can point to hey the Support is dwindling. Yeah, it's minimizing and so Trump is attributing to that just a good bit Yeah, I can I can see that is happening and And then let's say this too Damien. Let me go a little bit more into your background so people know you were Political science major with a degree in Political science after you came out of the Air Force you're an Air Force veteran, which is great and then you go to work in politics

9:07You were in DC on case street you working campaigns you were a Democrat and you you freed yourself from the plantation That's what a lot of us call what the Democrats have done to the black community You know the black community has supported Democrats for ever and they Largely are where they were in a lot of cases and so the Democrat Party hasn't helped them and so for people like me and probably you at this point You wonder why are you still supporting the Democrats when they haven't done anything for you in 70 or 80 years, but they still do largely So why is that? Tribalism it's it's if you understand black people We are traditionalists we love tradition When we wrap our arms around something we become very loyal to it But I'll tell you the biggest reason is it's because Dr. King said to do so when you look at the data

10:10Black people were not overwhelmingly supporting Democrats until 1964 when Dr. King told black people hey, we're gonna get the civil rights act We're gonna get the civil rights legislations from LBJ so We need you to vote this way in ever since 1964 we have been overwhelmingly voting Democrat for those particular reasons now when you look at What the civil rights act and those Legislations have done to our community you can make argument that it's decimated The nuclear family unit and put us in the place where we are now where many can argue that we are a mess From a family standpoint we are mess from an abortion standpoint. We are a mess from just a Growth mindset standpoint And a lot of it stems from just us holding on to old traditions being stuck in the civil rights movement And not really taking an account in an inventory of where we are today in 2026 because I believe that if you want to talk party

11:19The best place for black people in 2026 is the Republican party Because When you look at what Democrats are laying out It's nothing about family. It's nothing about family unity. It's dividing the black man and the black woman It's black woman is black woman that okay black women are great But how about black people black men and black women together has a family and talking about building a Family unity and children and pushing our children into higher education and things of that nature, right? But we have held on to it secondly also because You get what's the way I want to I want to use here You get shamed in our community if you don't vote Democrat Think about it. I'm gonna tell you something booker. I wanted to vote for Donald Trump in 2016 I really did and but I was at that time I was afraid Of being shamed by my friends. Sure, and so I reluctantly voted for Hillary although I didn't want to I was like I like this Trump guy

12:20Right, and so I was wrestling with those feelings of Fighting the shame, but I say hey, I gotta be a man. I gotta stand on my square I gotta stand on what I really believe in and those are really American ideals And if I can't do it as a man and straighten my back up then who am I And um, and so that's where a lot of men need to be and stop worried about being shamed by those around you and save our community I mean when you look at me let me tell you some you say this I did the data some people don't like me to say this But young black males you can argue It's possibly safer Uh in in in in the desert fighting for our country Then walking around in a urban black neighborhood Right, that's what the data says. Yes, Baltimore, Memphis, Chicago And it's dangerous. It's dangerous, right? But nobody wants to talk about it and Democrats just gloss over it They want to blame everybody else, but anytime you want to fix something you got to start internally look yourself in the mirror

13:25And that's why you know, I pushed back and I love my community But I said hey, we gotta look at ourselves We we can't blame people In America we live in the greatest nation on the globe and we have more opportunities in 2026 more ways to make money You can send a tweet today Yeah, the millionaire by tomorrow morning, right? The opportunities are there We have to take advantage of them and have a growth mindset and get rid of the victim mindset and stop blaming other people Your destiny is in your hands my last piece and I'll be quiet after this Know you won't I'll keep you going yeah We've got to get back to embracing God We've got to bring God back into our homes We've got to bring God back into our schools We've got to bring prayer back into the ways in which we move Right, we've got to love people and here's the thing Jesus didn't say Love your neighbor if they are the same color issue that's right

14:27Jesus said love thy neighbor period Yeah, and so we have created these particular through politics and I'm listening I'm disappointed in politics be it Democrat over public and independent whatever Politics has become so so divisive and it's nasty and this is not the politics that I fell in love with As a kid and you know back in 2008 right The way we politics one another is so nasty And I'm really ashamed of it on on all sides right, but if we start With love at the center loving our neighbor Right looking out for the least the last in the laws right thinking about Matthew 23 and 11 It says the greatest among you will be your servant. How can I serve my local community? How can I serve my church? How can I serve my neighbor? How can I serve my nation? And I think we'll be in better shape when we start with love and get rid of all these labels These pronouns and things of that nature that we want to

15:28That divide us and just think about how God will look at us and how we carry ourselves and how we're building up our families and communities Yeah, no, thank you for that word and when you look at Jesus's example You know, he didn't run around to telling people what to do a lot. He told them what not to do But the one thing that he did say is love God with all of your heart and like you just said a few minutes ago He said love your neighbor just like that He you know just like that just like you love God with all of your heart He said love your neighbor that way But regardless of color regardless of whether you like the guy or the woman or whatever it is You're supposed to love them just as you love God and I think that's a good point There's a couple of things that you brought up and by the way we're almost up to a break the time goes really fast when we're doing this Do you mind to hang around for another segment? Absolutely great So let's go back to something you said you mentioned the word community. I've mentioned the black community That always makes me uncomfortable actually Because you talked about the division within that community

16:32I think that when we say the Hispanic community or the black community Then we are dividing them into something else and I can take this into the next question that I want to get to which will be coming after the break Which is you mentioned the mok I want to talk about that and judging someone by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin Because I believe there's a lot of that now where we just judge somebody by the way they look their appearance or whatever it may be But let's go back to the community What do you think about that when you say the black community are we dividing the black community the Hispanic community I don't think there's a white community. I've never heard that so I don't know where we stand But do you think that's adds to the division in some ways instead of all of us being Americans or being Christians and loving God We are something we have a level absolutely so I have conversations with A lot of friends you know many folks on eggs or just friends about and they're black

17:37And the question is are you black first or the question and essentially that means are you pro black and I tell people listen I'm a Christian first. I'm God first That's my identity as a Christian to love my neighbor to love of people And to carry myself in the ways in which God wants me to that's that's my first identity Then secondly I'm a proud American And it's an end of the day hey if you if you don't Recognize God hey that's your business I respected hey But at the core of who we are we are all Americans booker right from 1776 To 2026 we just celebrated 250 glorious years have we had some complexities have we had some mistakes have we had some mishaps in this Experiment in democracy absolutely But here we are 250 years still standing still moving forward right as the biggest superpower on the globe

18:45And we ought to be proud of all the opportunities here We can take advantage of the economy here. I wouldn't want to be living anywhere else So when you say are we divided by these the skin color and the black community White community we are Americans and I just wish that we all would embrace being an American and hey If there issues you have with this country it's your American right to lift your voice and use your first amendment right to talk about it Right, I love it. That's what democracy looks like But when we have all these divided labels it just makes our country more angrier more divided For nastier our conversations our nastier our politics or nasty everybody's looking for the gotcha moment Everybody's digging in folks past trying to tear their life apart and we see how that has affected some people from a mental Stand point and so I just believe Proud Americans to do and I think that'll help bring us together Yeah, and how do we do it? You know, that's the the tough part

19:47Here what you're saying I agree with what you're saying But it's actually that making it a reality that becomes the difficult part We are up against the break right now you are listening to our conversation with Damien the Thaddeus Jones The name of his book which by the way I will make sure that it is in the bookstore here at americall loud.news The name of the book which you can also get an amazon is black voters red wave Decoding the rise of Donald Trump's black support more truth in minutes on america out loud talk radio You wouldn't go a day without brushing your teeth or washing your hands What about washing your nose? I mean your nose does filter the air you breathe air loaded with bacteria viruses and irritants Make nasal hygiene part of your routine with clear no messy bottles to fill no drowning sensation Clear as a natural drug free saline with the added benefit of zyletal which blocks bacterial and viral adhesion Available in stores and online at clear.com. That is x al e ar dot com

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21:56Now is our time my fellow americans america out loud dot news liberty and justice for all You are listening to the truth be told with booker scott i'm booker thank you for joining us we are visiting with Damien fattyus jones the name of that book again black voters red wave go look forward in amazon You will also be able to find it in the bookstore at america out loud dot news or dot com either one of those Damien i want to get to mlk Because as i look at things and paying attention to things It seems to me that people are very quick to judge based on skin color And i see this from the people in the black community Saying it again already, but i don't know really how else to say that but i see it i see racism from

23:00All sides of it and uh you know Are we really to a point that dr martin luuter team wanted us to be where we judge someone by the content of the character of them As opposed to just the color of their skin is the color of the skin the first thing we see or are we getting to know people and understand them Have a conversation with them before we make a determination whether we want to continue to have a conversation with them Yeah, un great question unfortunately booker The optics is the first thing we see with people now Just because that's the first thing you see Should not be how you judge a person's character judge their merit judge their heart so forth and so on right and as we mentioned We celebrate dr king every year Mm-hmm and we say dr king said this in this quote dr king said that but we got to remember dr. King said I want my children to be judged by

24:01Not the color of their skin But the content of their character and unfortunately in this nation for so many different reasons White people are label racist just because of the color of their skin White people are labeled as white supremacists Just because the color of this skin folk folk have not had a conversation with them They don't know their heart They don't know Their their faith but they judge them in such a way in this type of thinking in this type of practice has become Extremely rampant and been normalized in today society right Um, and so yes, I think dr. King would be extremely disappointed As to where we are in this country as how we are not judging people based on their character And how do you do that book you asked at a moment ago We've got to be able to sit down as dr. King would say at the table of brotherhood

25:02And have a conversation with our brother and our sister regardless of Their skin color once you talk to people you'll find out how much you haven't coming you'll find out that the economy Is affecting you and I the same way You'll find out that I'm trying to pay daycare the same way you are You'll find out that when I go to the grocery store I'm disappointed with with with uh uh uh Ten items cost and what they used to cost several years ago We have commonalities there We we find that that at the end of the day I lay my head down at night I get on my knees and pray just like you do and that has nothing to do with my skin color And we pray you do the same god to yeah same god you're trying to work hard at the job Uh put in 20 years and to be able to put your kids through a better education better college than you then you particularly had Those are the things that we find out when we put aside our biases and our preconceived notions about people and just say hey How's your day? I want to get to know you and we can talk about dr. King also said this

26:03Dr. King said this when um Malcolm makes was gunned down He said We've got to learn how to disagree booker Without being violently Disagreeable That's powerful And what we see today Not from a violent accent point, but in our political discourse our social discourse If somebody disagrees with us we become verbally violently disagreeable You're right. We call them an idiot you're an idiot the first thing We begin to label people if somebody votes in a way that's different than you you're an idiot What their background with this story why they vote that way, but you let him say hey You know i would say it for me as a black man Who openly votes for Trump and supports Trump do you know the names that i'm called each and every day By people who look like me yeah right and it's very disappointing It used to hurt me some but i'm used to it now and i just pray for those folks Um you know, but that's where we are and so yeah when if dr. King won't lie today

27:07I Think he'd be very disappointed with our with our public and our social and our political discourse Uh, and i would pray that maybe he would use his voice to try to sway All people back to the sensible center If you could get into mok's head now Yeah, would he be proud of where the black community is now Have they done everything they possibly could With the opportunities that they have been given or are in some ways they trying to stay back on the plantation Does that make any sense what do you think dr. Martin Luther King would think and feel and and say right now in this point in history in america Wow That's a valuable question booker um one I don't think dr. King would be proud listen When you look at

28:09Where our public lead i'll say the black public leaders are right when you look across the landscape You know Well, do you think the black leaders are let's start there is it outsharp then is it people like that we just lost the reverend Jesse Jackson is outsharp then the black leader Absolutely not Yeah, who is it? Okay, let me answer that question right um A lot of leaders and they are getting older now. It's a lot of people That rode the co-tale of dr. King Postes death and a lot of those people Um have driven the black community into into the pits of uh despair Because they're lining their own pockets through uh Non-profit work that's supposed to be uplifting the community You know when you listen when you look at our sharpened What is al-sharp than doing Uh where he's making one million dollars per year but the black community is still

29:14Uh going through some tough times right uh what is al-sharp than telling the community other than It's the white man's fault correct other than it's where we're oppressed right and so no When you talk about black leadership when I look across the spectrum I'm beyond this with your booker. It's very bleak. Yeah, I don't see any. I don't know of any Because all they push is victim mentality. Right victim mentality so i don't think dr. King would be happy listen And Jesse Jackson got blessed him got blessed his family I think he tried to do uh the best that he that he knew how i don't disagree with that yeah But but i think a lot of black leaders all they push is victim mindset There's no empowerment in the message whatsoever. I think um They need black people to feel destitute In order for them to stay in their spots and meanwhile a lot of these people are getting rich and rich and rich And they're going to their ivory tower and they're going to their gate and neighborhoods and meanwhile They're telling these other black people you're going to be poor forever because it's the white man holding you down and right and I think

30:18I would believe with dr. King with a he really disagree with that type of language. Yeah Yeah, but and that's the thing they use the plantation They're keeping you on the plantation the white man is keeping you on the plantation You have to vote for the democrats To keep you from being on the plantation meanwhile 70 years later. They're still right where they were and They don't pay attention to the fact that the people that were Selling them what they were selling them didn't succeed for them. They didn't help them and you know Let me say this. Let me real quick. Let me say this. I i just turned 60 years old this year And my entire life has been Under MLK, you know busing started right when I started elementary school I had teachers that had taught at the all black school My assistant principal in high school had come from the all black high school So I'm 60 that it's not too terribly old, but it's a part of my life and I You know was taught as a young person by my parents that you don't see color

31:22You know, you just don't see color and so my entire life was that way. I happen to have a grandson 10 years old He's black and I have another the grandson that will be here in December and then on the other side my son has He married a first generation Mexican. So my granddaughter is half Mexican. So my family portrait looks more like the United Nations But because I support Donald Trump. I'm a fascist and a racist right does that make any sense to you None whatsoever. None whatsoever. And so um, but you have a beautiful family and what your family looks like is is America Correct. A melting pot. Yeah of all types of backgrounds coming together people loving each other Regardless of their with their skin color. Listen. I'm from Jackson, Mrs. Simpy Mm-hmm. It listen. I grew up in the belly of the bees of of Jim Crow racism All right But my parents taught me same as yours We don't we don't judge people by color right we don't we judge people by their heart

32:25Right and so I listen I love all people I have a two-year-old daughter and we're teaching her to love people to love God to embrace people to get to know people And and not to be driven by these political and these social Uh, dividers that we've been pushed by and so I would I'll tell you man. I say it loud and proud I am a Air Force veteran. I am proud to be in America. I am proud to be in this nation I'm proud to have fought for this nation. I'm proud that my my daughters being raised. I'm don't I'm proud that you know I have my wife is in this country. I wouldn't have it any other way and listen Yes, I take a lot of flag for openly supporting Trump and other Republican candidates But that I feel that's the best way that my family needs to be rooted because right now We're about faith We're about family We're about economic empowerment and I love where we are right now

33:27That's for me. I believe that's the best place for black people in this country You're listening to Damien Thaddeus Jones the name of his book is black voters red wave decoding the rise of Donald Trump's black support He's also a political strategist speaker and Reverend by the way a Baptist church in Jacksonville, Florida I've enjoyed this conversation so far, but I want to keep it going just a few more minutes before we come up to the next break And you know, I mentioned my life 60 years old. I've probably the first generation. I'm a generation X almost as old as you could be and not be a boomer I'm second year of an X and my generation was the first to have lived our entire lives through MLK And after what I came through over the last four or five years I don't know what's going on You understand what I'm saying. I was told all these years that you don't see color You judge somebody by the content of their their character not their skin and yet now as we go through this

34:33Socialist this socialism march here in America We're told to do something different. We have boxes of oppression over here oppression over there And it doesn't work with the US Constitution. It's written from a form of oppression But it's written for individual rights and liberties not for groups and that is intersectionality That's what's needed to take us into socialism and for people in all communities All Americans I would love for people to be able to see that from 30,000 feet that the division is what is needed To take us where none of us want to go none of us want this nation to go there But we see it popping up in places like New York City. We saw it in Colorado with the election last Tuesday That's not needed in this country We have to be united and we have to be You know, we just have to be nice to one another Politics has become such a big part of so many people's lives. It is

35:35You know, what is it? Is is it our entertainment is it our sport in 2026 and hopefully we can change that I don't know do you have thoughts there? Damien? Yeah, um You know what? One thing that that I love watching I Love watching the House of Representatives proceedings and if you go back and look at like during the 80s and Although, you know tip on I think tip O'Neill was speaker speaker with one right again was there sure was right in a particular time And you know, you know, you had a new gingrich was there during that particular time with Clinton Gingrich was there with Clinton right and They engaged each other differently It was still a time of of Gentile gentleman Engaging with one another You fast forward To about 2012 2014 2016 you look at those proceedings

36:39Everybody's lost their mind in a way they engage each other they're yelling they're screaming their insults in each other They're tweeting insults about each other in their families and things of that nature and people take their cue from their leaders So if Congress is taking personal shots at each other if Congress is now cursing each other out in public if Congress is having shouting matches And not staying focused on the issues that they were elected to go Legislate then what do you think that every day regular people are going to do? And so it's just been a continuum of what they've seen in the halls of Congress and it's trickled down and I Booker. I don't know how to get a handle on it But one way I will say that I talk about outside of Congress is We need men to step up in this country a lot of men have taken the backseat And stop being leaders a lot of men Uh, or their backs are not straight right now a lot of men are not stepping up Uh, really leading their family and releating their children standing up for their daughters and standing standing up with them

37:43So in their sons how to be men especially when it comes to expressing themselves And contributing to social conversations And what we've seen particularly in in a lot of liberal spaces is men take a backseat men let the women lead Men they're quiet because they don't want to get any scrutiny And that's how we've we've seen a great portion of this degradation of American culture And at the end of the day god is charging the men To lead our families and to lead our communities and so men have to straighten our backs up Open our mouths and speak loud and protect our children and protect our wives And really talk about and bring god back into the conversation get men back in church Get men back speaking about their faith in public and don't let anybody shame you about it And when men set the temperature and set the tempo and set the example about number one

38:47I'm god first number two I'm an American and everything else falls in place after that We will see our young men Straighten up we were seeing our young daughters straighten up we will see our political leaders Uh, be better because the men are challenging the challenging them and not allowing this debauchery to be normalizing our country For me, I put the honest on the man And I think that's one way that we can begin to you back on track some way But man book I'm be honest with you. We've got a long way to go. We do. It's a big mountain to climb Damien by the way, how old are you? I am 41 41 nice young conservative voice here Reverend Damien Thaddeus Jones. He's challenging us to confront uncomfortable truths about race power and political identity And he invites all of us to enjoy that Into enjoying into that conversation about America's future a future where black voters wield their influence and boldness and clarity

39:52The name of the book is called black voters red wave decoding the rise of Donald Trump's black support Damien, thank you so much. I'll give you the last word here, but I appreciate you coming on. I have enjoyed our conversation together Booker. Thank you so much for having me and um I'll leave your your wonderful listeners with this and my favorite verse in the Bible is Matthew 23rd chapter and 11 verse and it says the greatest among you Will be your servant and so how do we make our time on this on this world in this world better It's by serving others serving the least serving the last serving the law serving the motherless Uh the orphan the widow serving your community and serving your nation serving your church. How can I serve if we have a heart To serve we can make our nation better. We can make our communities better Um, we'll make our globe better and so I thank you for the opportunity To be here and have this conversation book during treatment city tap water molecule structure gets messed up

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41:53slash out loud and use the code out loud for an exclusive offer grow food not fear I want to do something a little bit different here in this segment Because something bothered me Sunday night when I ran across it on Facebook I'm originally from Nashville, Tennessee. I've mentioned that a couple of times when I was a young child I was in Nashville and in Brentwood just south of Nashville And my dad for whatever reason I still to this day don't know probably will never find out. He's been dead for Six years now, so I won't be able to ask him at this time anyway. Maybe one day maybe maybe one day But I never found out why exactly he wanted to farm because he is from Chicago He was from Chicago, Illinois had no experience on a farm But that's what we did we bought 11 acres and it was in a bedroom community called Murphries, Burrow, Tennessee

42:57It's about 25 miles southeast on the way to Chattanooga from Nashville And that's where I finished growing up elementary school middle school high school even went to college there Back then it was a university town middle Tennessee state university is there It was a sleepy little town really it was a small community. It was a great place to grow up I loved it And I still have a lot of friends there I still followed them on Facebook and I also followed the local radio station And that's where I'm going to go with the segment because of the program that was on Sunday night They caught my attention. Have you heard about a 287 g. Do you know what that is section 287 g of the US immigration and nationality act Well, it authorizes the Department of Homeland Security to deputize selected state and local law enforcement officers to enforce federal immigration law So in Murphries, Burrow, Tennessee, which is Rutherford County Which by the way, it has grown a lot since I grew up there. We moved there in

44:021976, I believe and it like I said, it was a sleepy little town Nice little country town is what it was Now it's huge. It is exploded Nashville is exploded and so has Murphries, Burrow and Rutherford County It is now the third largest county in the state of Tennessee You have Memphis Shelby County, Nashville, Davidson County They're one and two and then you have Rutherford County Murphries, Burrow is number three Actually larger than Chattanooga and larger than Knoxville a couple of other big cities there in the state of Tennessee The Rutherford County Sheriff is Mike Fichu and he has said that he would never use his deputies to go after illegal immigrants That's what he said But then there was a little change in the last couple of weeks there in Rutherford County, Murphries, Burrow with this section 287 g Sheriff Fichu has agreed to this 287 g which would allow when they arrest an illegal immigrant And there is a detainer for them by eyes

45:02That they will hold the legal immigrant to me. It's a no-brainer. It makes perfect sense. Why would you not be for that If this were a regular criminal let's say that it was someone that had committed murder in Montana Would Sheriff Fichu and his deputies not hold that person for extra addition to Montana? Of course they would So if you have an illegal immigrant that is a criminal which at this point that's really all Donald Trump and the DHS and I Are rounding up They're not rounding up children in schools. That's not what they're doing They're not rounding up just illegal immigrants at this point They're rounding up the criminals the ones that have murdered the ones that have raped That's who they're trying to get off the street for the life of me. I can't understand why anyone wouldn't want that Just because they're illegal immigrants for some reason they want to give these people a pass That's what the left is saying and when I went to Facebook and I came across this story

46:04It was a live radio program in my former hometown of Murphries, Burrow, Tennessee And Murphries, Burrow, Tennessee, Rutherford County voted heavily for Donald Trump in the 2024 election It was 60 40 60% Donald Trump 40% for Kamala Harris Close to it It was a blowout There's no doubt that Rutherford County, Tennessee is a red county It is also a Donald Trump county. It is a mag a county. That's really what it is So when I came across this story and this show I was shocked at what I heard I'm going to play some of this for you because I think it's important for us to understand the other perspective and what the other side is saying Because what they are saying is nothing like I'm saying I say this all the time about illegal immigrants. It's time for them to go. We need to get these criminals out of here And it needs to be done now So when people start talking the way these guys did and what really what they're doing is calling share a fit you

47:09On to the carpet for making an agreement with the Homeland Security in this 287G They don't want their deputies to hold criminal illegal aliens in their jail But I was shocked at what I heard on this local small radio station in Murphrey's burrow, Tennessee from Ed Raymer is the guy's name who does the show on Sunday night Along with him was the Democrat National Committee chairman for Rutherford County his name is Matt fee And here he is talking about what happened two weeks ago When Fitchu said we're not going to do this. We're not going to have our deputies going after illegal immigrants And then the activism that they created to get people to show up to a council meeting county government meeting To try to make their voices heard so that the sheriff would not do this agreement Here is the DNC chairman in the county of Rutherford County, Tennessee his name is Matt fee. I think I noticed

48:12Social media posts from someone that said hey Rutherford county is now pending a 287G agreement with ice So just sort of right now is a 287G is basically like It gives local police ability to do Work for ice and you know either as themselves or in the jail or whatever um You know so so Having noticed that you know, that was the first time they had come up I don't know how long it had been pending, but basically you go to ice's website and you can see all of the You know Law enforcement agencies that are pending any kind of agreement with ice or all the ones that are actually active and it was knows Excuse me. You know Rutherford County is now showing pending for a warrant service officer. Okay Um So I mentioned hey, you know if you want to say something about it, there's a public safety meeting coming up on Monday

49:13You know, let's go there and say you want to talk about the sheriff's report And so that's how we got there um there was multiple groups involved um especially remix remix TN there's like a immigrant um, you know the edgy c group Um and they did a lot of work with coordinating and getting people to sign up for Public comment at that meeting so they go to the public meeting and they make comments everybody that spoke Was against this 287g if you go to ice.gov slash Identify and arrest if you go to that website You will see every state and county and city that is involved with ice and the 287 G agreement I can tell you this. I'm looking at the map now California Oregon Washington and Illinois Those are four states that have no agreement with ice that is not surprising

50:15You also have a little bit of Delaware a little bit of Vermont The entire state of Connecticut the entire state of new jersey All of those states have no agreement with ice which means these illegal immigrants That are committing crimes and have committed crimes where they came from are running free in these states And these states are doing nothing to help Donald Trump and ice get these people out of here But I want to go back to the radio show on 1450 WGNS and merfreesboro Listen to the comments now from ed rammer as they continue the conversation Here's here's the rub At the public safety meeting As we mentioned everyone though those that spoke all against this Now what we're talking about with ice we're talking about the guys that are coming in with the mask And they don't have to have they don't have to have a reason to my knowledge they can come in and just Pick you up and take you off and I guess do what they want. Okay, that's a lie. That's not true And I don't even know why ed rammer on this radio show is saying that

51:18He doesn't know what he's talking about and he probably shouldn't be talking about it Both of these guys are leftist their Democrats again in a city and a county that was heavily favoring Donald Trump in the 2024 election The things that he says are important to understand from the perspective of the left And what they are saying against Donald Trump and the things that his administration is doing You hear him say that these ice people are wearing the masks, you know It's obvious that they watch ms and bc because that's the narrative that they are teaching people over there Whether wearing mask. I've covered it on this show before So that they they're not killed It's for their protection is what it's for. Let's go back to ed rammer. He is the host of this show Let's let him run his mouth a little bit more. Whatever Trump is giving him where to do this somebody they're going to fool around someone's gonna get hurt. Okay um And basically we don't know who these people are right

52:20We're to my knowledge there are a bunch of thugs. He's talking about ice there We don't know who these people are Well, let me tell you who they are ed rammer and w gns They are federal law enforcement officers. They have gone through training. They have gone through background checks They are wearing masks so that other people don't try to hurt them because leftist liberal stupid democrats in some of these cities Have tried to hurt them. They have doxed them Politicians have doxed them. So why wouldn't they wear a mask? They are not thugs They are federal law enforcement officials and what you're talking about ed rammer and w gns Is dangerous you are dangerous? Not Donald Trump and not ice. So here's the thing right run We were talking about this a little bit earlier Before we came on the air And listen how much mat fee uses the word right I talked about it last week about a linguistic tie down when someone isn't confident in what they're saying or they're trying to sell you

53:25Something they will use right in a rhetorical way This guy has a real problem with it He can't say two sentences without saying right which is a tie down to further the conversation On something that you don't know what you're really talking about and you're just trying to sell something to someone Here he goes The agreement that was pending at the time was for a warrant service officer To my knowledge what that means is that if someone is brought into the rutherford county jail And ice has a civil warrant against that person Then rutherford county sheriff's deputies conserved that warrant on that person in the jail Whereas before ice would have to come and do that themselves Okay, so even though it may be Well, let's call it the least of the bad options in these 287 g agreements with ice To me the fact of the matter is that rutherford county is entering into an agreement with ice

54:26I don't care What model it is I don't care that you're you know Whether it's the the one that sends deputies out into the community to do you know task force work Right, I don't want that one. I don't want them doing anything on ice behalf. Why not why wouldn't you because these are criminals that Donald Trump and ice are getting out of this country They are bad people these are people that murdered lake and riley Nungaree and I could go on list the names over and over It happened for years. It's still happening every day Why wouldn't you want these people out of your country? Do you want them to live next door to you? Matt the Ed Raymer on WGNS radio You want these people of for your neighbors? They committed rapes They molested children Murderers you don't know who they are It did Joe Biden never knew who they were none of these people were vetted So now ice is making agreement with a town like merfreesboro, Tennessee rutherford county Tennessee and the sheriff there Mike fit you. I actually went to high school and middle school with both of his daughters

55:33They don't want to make an agreement there in rutherford county that the jail will just hold these bad guys that ice as a detainer on They would rather have them released onto their streets And these people think they make any sense They think Donald Trump is the bad guy that ice is the bad guy I want you to understand this perspective because this perspective is out there all over the country If it's there in a place like merfreesboro, Tennessee, it's everywhere Let's go on with it because it's just like what you said you know we see these videos and reports Every single day right now where ice is just Disappearing people off the street right for almost no reason whatsoever except for the fact They had yeah that their color of their skin Wait just admitted for no other reason than the color of their skin. He says They broke a law they came into this country when they weren't supposed to

56:34Let's start there Let's get the people out of here that aren't supposed to be here especially the criminals I'm booker and you've been listening to the truth be told I appreciate that and don't forget you were told 2000 years ago That you are the salt of the earth and salt without labor it has no value So whatever you do keep being salty have a great night There is only one truth You've been listening to the truth be told with booker Scott on America out loud