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The Big Ten has some really good quarterbacks, but who is number one?

Is it Julian Saiyan or Dante Moore?

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We got a jam pack show for you as we are debating a bunch of different topics when it

comes to college football, the NCAA, the Big Ten of course, and March Madness, a record

setting weekend for the Big Ten getting six teams into the Sweet 16.

We got Spencer McLaughlin from Lockdown Ducks, Isaiah Hull from Lockdown Wolverines Ryan

Harings from Lockdown Badgers, Trent Condon from Lockdown Hot Guys.

My name is Zach Seiko, the host of Lockdown Knitney Lions, and the fill-in host here as

Spencer and I have now flip-flop roles.

Let's jump into the, I know you, I know you want to get into this debate, Spencer.

The Big Ten QBs, we're going to start here.

Julian Sain, the number one quarterback in the Big Ten, is that, is that correct or is

it on to more or something?

Well, first, I've just got to commend you for stepping in because my schedule is a

little bit jagged today.

And just, just know that I will not forget the mispronunciation on my last name and next

time you're on the show and I go around, you will indeed be Zach Seiko of Lockdown Knitney Lions.

I rolled through, I rolled through that.

You rolled through it too, it's okay, it's okay, rookie, rookie mistakes is a perfect

transition to Dante, Moore, and Julian Sain because it's how their seasons came to an

end last year.

The number of similarities between these guys is kind of shocking and I'll put on my,

frankly, even if I put on my Oregon hat, I think I would take either one of these guys,

I'm a huge Julian Sain fan and I'm not trying to give the cop-out answer here but I just

look at it like this, if you swapped these guys with their teams a year ago, what's

the big difference, what changes, where does Ohio State season go than it didn't, where

does Oregon season fail to go?

I don't think that it changes a whole heck of a lot because both guys showed that they

were a little inexperienced and when they went up against great defenses, they made some

mistakes that cost their team the chance to go play for a national championship and Sain

had a couple numbers that I think were a little bit better than Dante Moore's.

I think I've seen Dante Moore do more with less because his receiving core got banged

up and Julian Sain had Jeremiah Smith the whole time so I'll give Dante more of the

51-49 edge but I think that's a pretty neutral arbiter way to look at it.

Isaiah, where does Bryce Underwood rank and are you taking Julian Sain over Dante Moore

being that he is the Ohio State quarterback?

It's hard to say yet where Bryce Underwood ranks given last year freshman season a lot

of extracurriculars happening behind the scenes with certain coaches and only fans models

and you know, types of things.

Anything specific you want to dive into Isaiah?

Yeah, let's talk about it.

Yeah.

All time to say he didn't even have a quarterback's coach so let's see where he's going to

go now that he actually has people who are actually saying like, hey, you know that thing

you did that was wrong?

Let's fix that instead of being like, you're the coach.

I actually have to school my Oregon brethren over to my side here because maybe it's

the Detroit of it all for Dante Moore.

I think if you put Dante Moore on Ohio State, I think he wins the Heisman because he would

have had the protection and he would have had the he was very well protected last year.

Oregon had one of the three finalists nationally for the Joe Moore work.

Keep trying.

Keep trying.

That is true.

But at the same time, he would have also had Ohio State's receivers definitely the

best receiving core in the country.

We saw him being able to improvise a lot better than Julian saying was.

I think that Dante Moore is head and shoulders better than Julian saying cramps jump into

this.

Yeah.

And I'm glad I could be.

I didn't think it was going to be here for this time.

Great to have you.

I'm big into the Dante Moore camp.

I have been.

I think he's phenomenal.

I think he'd be, you know, top two pick in the NFL draft right now if he were coming

out.

He's that good.

So I think he'd be great.

And with, you know, I'm with Julian saying, I still wonder how much action we're going

to get with Tavy and St. Clair this year.

Are they going to have a not a two quarterback system?

But I wonder if they're going to use him.

Say the way Michigan was using their quarterbacks a couple of years ago, you know, change

your case.

Is that what you're saying?

I was going to say, why would anyone want to copy Michigan's quarterback play from

the last two years?

What is the potential upside that you're seeing?

Hey, by the way, what's the scandal going on in Oregon?

So Dylan Riehola, who is like, he thinks he's Patrick Mahomes is dropping number 15.

He's bringing out the Marriota number eight.

What is going on over there?

There's no scandal.

He just called an ass.

Yeah, but he hit him up.

He's got ties back to the state of wine.

Got in touch with Marcus and Dylan Gabriel and said, hey, is this okay?

And he's got number eight.

Everybody's cool.

It's okay.

The number hasn't been retired.

We all know who the real number eight is, but it's all right.

He thinks he's Patrick Mahomes.

I'm just stunned that he made the move.

This is growth.

This is growth in the quarterback room already.

That's all that happens at Oregon in the quarterback room.

You come to Eugene and you grow.

And if you don't believe me, you can ask Bo Nix.

You can ask Dante Moore.

And then soon you'll be able to ask national championship winner Dylan Riehola.

Trent, you have two quarterbacks that are up for the starting spot.

And this is your opportunity to make the case for Saiyan and Moore, but also defend your

case because I was typically at the bottom of the quarterback rankings.

It says either or for Iowa Cubes, but dead last.

Yeah, I mean, obviously I would take anybody over what we have right now out of those two

guys.

I'm with Isaiah, though.

I think the gap is pretty significant between Saiyan and between Moore.

You look back and obviously game number one last year.

He was asked to do nothing against Texas.

The first big road game.

He did very little in that game against Washington.

It was a defense that did that.

And when the schedule tightened up at the end of the year, when the buck guys actually

had to place somebody through a pick against Michigan, through a pick against Indiana,

through two picks against Miami.

I think the gap there, I saw what Dante Moore did in that game winning drive against my

Hawkeyes and Kinnick Stadium in that throw, Julian Saiyan was not making that throw that

day.

Dante Moore big gap than it's saying for Iowa.

It's a big gap.

Until we before we get to the bottom and we got to see it this year.

We saw growth out of the offense the last two years.

We saw the running game, make immense improvements after the firing a Bryant parents.

But now the time to happen is at this point.

It's going to be the first spring that they're going to have a healthy quarterback competition.

That didn't happen in Tim Lester's first two.

So that's where the hope is, but it's hard for me to make a definitive argument that the

Iowa quarterback room is going to be even in the top half of the league right now.

Trent, I can't believe that Auburn watched Kirk Farron's higher his son and then have

to fire him.

And then they looked at their basketball program and said, let's do this exact same thing.

This is going to go great always.

There's going to be nothing wrong here.

I can't believe it didn't work out.

Not surprising at all.

Patissom, it is a, well, it's a four letter word here in the state of Iowa, Brian,

your case for more versus San and Colton Joseph taken over Old Dominion quarterback.

Where does he rank?

Oh, yes.

Let's go to the Wisconsin fan for quarterback analysis.

It's like going to the farmer for biomedical advice, you know, I don't know.

I haven't seen a good quarterback in a decade, whatever, like, um, here's the thing.

I think, I think go out of state quarterbacks in general are pretty operated when it was

the last time they had a bad one, it, everything is just so easy there for them.

You look at Julian Saiyan, you're looking at a guy who he can't create with his feet.

He's pretty good inside the pocket, but I think if you want to be in a lead quarterback

at the college level, Dante Moore's more mobile, Williams is more mobile, a lot of guys

in the, in the big 10 off or more.

And if you were to flip pieces around, put saying on some of these lesser big 10 teams where

he can't sit in the pocket where he's not throwing the two NFL receivers where he doesn't

have an elite offensive staff game planning for him, where he's not always playing with

the lead generally, right?

Game script things matter too, you know, playing from behind is a lot harder when teams

can gear up against you with a past Russian coverage.

I think Saiyan is overrated.

I would take more.

I would take Hoover.

I would probably take Williams.

Um, I want, as I probably won't take underwood.

I don't know.

Like, I got to see it with underwood, but I don't know.

I think you've got to be more dynamic.

If you're going to be a really, really elite quarterback for any team, Ohio State can

get away with it because they're Ohio State.

So really quick, I'm cold and Joseph, Badras quarterback, ODU, short, I mean, we've

had three straight years of starting quarterbacks get hurt.

So ultimately, it's just can a quarterback be healthy for us?

And if it is, it's going to be an improvement.

I mean, people are just beaten down and down trodden about the quarterback looking

mad at us.

Who's got the lower bar for a quarterback play, Iowa or Wisconsin, Iowa is sitting here

going.

Can you throw it?

Can you average 200?

Sorry.

Can you average 175 passing yards in a game?

That's correct.

And Wisconsin's sitting there going, can you be on the field?

Recently, it's got to be Wisconsin.

We won a game.

I say we, but Wisconsin won a game last year with our leading pass or being our punter.

I mean, it's got to be Wisconsin.

Are you not supposed to do that?

Yeah.

It worked.

Like, you know, like, we almost built a do to statue.

I mean, he always like, like, his parents is hearing that and going.

I hadn't pondered that before.

Don't give him any ideas.

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That was the SEC still had that they're losing control of football.

Now they're losing control of men's basketball, more on the way here on this big 10 squad.

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All right, and we jump back into the big 10 squad as we're talking about March madness.

Hey, the big 10 is starting to take over the March madness tournament and Trent, we're

going to begin with you and work our way back around as you should have the first word

here.

Iowa has the biggest, well, okay, well, and then we're going to go to Ryan next because

his team's not here because of another big upset, but Trent Iowa knocking off Florida

an amazing buzzer beater here.

I want to know about knocking off the number one seed, but also how the big 10 is really

starting to push back on the SEC here and this is turning into a big 10 dominant tournament

as a record six big 10 teams are in the sweet 16.

And that's great.

And it's certainly great from the Iowa perspective.

I'll get that in a moment, but in the grand scheme of things, it's going to be up to Isaiah

above me.

We've got to win a national championship.

We know the narrative since 2000 that has to change if we're really going to have

this conversation about the big 10s are planting and surpassing.

It has to end in a national championship because that bugaboo has been there.

From the Iowa perspective, I was talking about it earlier on my radio show today.

I was sitting the last time Iowa was in the sweet 16 at a bar stool, my freshman year

at the University of Iowa at one eye, Jake's, it's a part that's no longer in Iowa

city.

Was that like pre-World War II?

It was 1999.

It was a long time ago.

I'm an old man here and it was a different time certainly in the world.

Now I'm jumping up and down with my kids in the living room and watching that one and

just how great it was, but there's been a lot of turmoil.

There's been a lot of frustration we've seen of the women's program that turns into

sellouts.

That's what Iowa meant basketball was.

It was a huge thing in the state of Iowa.

They formulated and Craig will remember this because Indiana stole the idea, the Iowa

basketball network at every station and every area of the state had every single game that

was on throughout the course of the season in the late 70s and the 80s and the 90s.

It was a huge thing and they'd get a 70, 75 share for regular season basketball games

in the state of Iowa.

The passion is there, it is back and they got the right guy.

They got a guy that grew up in the state of Iowa that knows the passion, that grew up

a Hawkeye fan and on top of it, Ben McCullum, he's one heck of a coach.

All right, Ryan.

Well, Wisconsin's not here.

They lost a high point.

Sorry to bring it back up, but I'm glad that Trent got to say his piece before he headed

out.

Ryan, this Iowa Nebraska game, where does the big 10 stand in the scheme of things when

it comes to men's basketball in your mind?

I mean, you can't really argue with what they've done so far.

They got six in the final 16.

It's tremendous.

From a badger standpoint, I want the big 10 to win, right?

So I'm stoked.

Michigan's a way in Isaiah's team, stoked to see Trent's team knock off a one seed on

a brass because a great story.

It sucks though.

The next day, that Saturday, which would have been the sweet, the round of 32 game against

Arkansas for the badgers, we had a whole day plan.

Like, my kid was going to watch it, my parents were coming over.

It just stinks.

So I did take like a two day morning period where I didn't watch any sports.

I didn't watch any basketball, just as what is, but from the big 10 standpoint, it's

tremendous.

It's absolutely tremendous.

But I think Trent made a great point, which is good that he's gone because I don't

like give him credit when he's here and he can hear it.

But he made a great point that the big 10's got to finish it now.

You got to win a title, not nobody's going to look back in five years and say, wow, great

job.

They had six in the sweet 16 if all of them drop off before the end.

So whether that's Illinois, who I think can do it, whether it's Michigan, who I know

can do it, I'm not sure if Nebraska, Iowa can, but somebody has to now take it home

for the big 10.

Otherwise, this conversation right here doesn't matter.

Michigan state is in there as well, Craig.

I want to get your thoughts because Ryan makes a great point.

What if the big 10 doesn't do it?

Whether that's not having a finalist or even winning, what what's kind of the the outcome

here, the ramifications, the consequences is the SEC continues to have, you know, dominate

in the final four or get both finalists there.

What is the big 10?

Absolutely need to do.

And what are the consequences if they don't do anything spectacular?

They need to give all their good players to Oregon.

Well, Oregon does need some help in basketball, but and I, you know, Ryan, that's neat.

That Wisconsin team was a fun basketball team to watch with that scoring back court.

I equally disappointed that they didn't make it past high point as well.

It means everything.

You got to finish.

Nobody's going to be talking about, hey, they got six teams in the sweet 16 or whatever.

You got to win.

And I'll second and third, Isaiah, the pressure's on you guys because you're the team that

can get it done.

We really, really need a championship for a change because I get a lot of mileage on

a lot that big 10, ragging on the SEC and the ACC, well, we're the real true Craig's

worried about making his house payments.

That's what that's what's going on here.

Forget the pride of the conference, Isaiah.

Your Wolverines need to come through so that Craig can buy a luxury couch for his living

room.

I'm going into your hosting role now, spends like your, no, this is me in jab mode.

This is jab, this is, this is jab mode.

Isaiah pressures on does Michigan have clearly the best chance here?

Are you giving Purdue?

Are you giving Michigan state a fighting chance to get to the final four, make a run to

the finals?

Is it just Michigan?

I'm not, I'm not going to give that Michigan state that that type of, sorry, locked down Spartans

fans.

If you're actually watching or listening to this show, I don't care about you.

Before we start that, I want to continue the trend that we started in, in the first

segment.

And that's ragging on Ohio State, who also lost our first round.

So yeah, I just, I want to thank all of you for making that first segment, just very

enjoyable for me.

I think Michigan absolutely can get it done, but I also am very wary of this sweet 16

matchup against Alabama.

So it is a, you know, big 10 SEC because Alabama is really good at the one thing Michigan

is not that good at.

And that's, they're really good at shooting the threes where sometimes Michigan forgets

that you can defend, you know, beyond the arc.

So if Alabama shoots the way it did against Texas, tech Michigan might be in trouble if

it loses any semblance of its offense.

But losing LJK sin during the big 10 tournament, that certainly hurts.

And you wouldn't think that a backup point guard would kind of change things, but he had

become like that spark because we've seen a lot of times where Elliot Cadoe just, and

Namari Burnett just decide that front courts, back court scoring rather just doesn't matter.

And LJK sin would come in and he would get 12 points real quick and he would supplement

the axle and morez and a die.

And it would end up working out really well.

I think Michigan has everything it needs.

It just needs to avoid that let down game.

And at least in a way, it's been kind of a bonus that they've gotten tested a little

bit there in the big 10 tournament because now they know, hey, if we're down, we know

we can come back most of the time as long as we're not playing Purdue.

Spencer, can anybody else put Michigan win from the big 10?

Is it Illinois?

Is it Purdue?

Is it Michigan state?

I don't think Illinois gets past Houston.

I take defense over offense in just generally speaking, any sport and a championship sort

of setting.

The old ad is defense wins championships.

I've got Houston beating Illinois, but certainly if they got high, I think Illinois, Alabama

would be one of the most entertaining college basketball games we've ever seen.

Final score would be 98.95 in all likelihood.

I mean, those guys can really shoot the ball.

I tell you as an organ guy how I feel in this particular point of the basketball conversation,

you guys seen that movie We're the Millers with Jason Sedacus and Jennifer Aniston.

So there's that scene where Jennifer Aniston realizes that Jason Sedacus is getting $500,000

and she's like, you are only going to get me 30 and then I can't remember the actress's

name.

Emma is something right now.

It goes up.

You're getting 30 grand.

I'm only getting 1,000 and then the other kids like, what you guys are getting paid?

That's how I feel with organ basketball.

I was like, that team is not going to make the sweet 16.

That team could win a national championship and I'm just sitting here going, what you guys

have teams?

I'm right there with you.

The players that you like that are good, like, oh God, I missed the days.

I miss, I miss, I miss the days, but no, I'll, I'll get out of here on, on this note.

I do have Duke winning it all in my bracket.

I feel pretty shaky about that prediction at the moment.

And for the big 10 sake, I do hope that, that, that someone gets it done.

Now, if it's Michigan, that would, that would bug me a little because that means Isaiah

would have two national championships to celebrate in the last like three years time.

And I'm just sitting here trying to get one for my college team in one of the two major

sports.

So there's not even one or two for Michigan right now.

Number one in hockey as well.

Yeah.

Okay, but we were talking about real sports.

So we're going to, we're going to keep the, keep, keep, keep title, women's hockey title

just happen.

Okay.

Well, now this conversation's officially off the rails.

We're talking about the frozen for, yeah, you lose, you lose me with that.

But no, I, I'd love to see the, I'd love to see the big 10 breakthrough.

I think it would do a lot for the league, anything so that Craig can keep taking jabs

at the SEC.

I want the SEC.

I want that Versace couch for you, Craig.

I want you to have it.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

I really do.

Okay.

I got a role.

An upgrade for big 10 basketball and an upgrade, upgrade for Craig's furniture.

Let's, let's debate NCAA potential blunders here because the shadow portal, right?

Where guys can unenroll from a football team and potentially transfer with no spring

portal window, we're going to play commissioner in the final segment.

What would you do?

What statement would you make against a school that tries to do this?

That is coming up next here on this big 10 squad.

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I'm your host today, Zach Seiko, I say a whole from locked on Wolverines, Craig Sheeman,

joining us now from locked on Big Ten and Ryan Herring sticking around from locked on

Badgers.

So now we get to a little, I think, a little more quick hitter type of debate with if

you were the commissioner, if you're running the show with the Big Ten, the NCAA, you've

got to make a statement because they are getting ready to meet.

The NCAA is trying to collectively battle tampering or whatever is going to go on with this

shadow portal, with the spring portal window that is no longer there, but schools are going

to try to entice a player to unenroll from their old school, transfer, and then they'll

compensate them with NIL.

They can't be a scholarship player, but does that matter anymore?

So Craig, you are up to bat first.

How concerned are you about this?

Do you think this is a legitimate possibility, or is this just all smoke and mirrors?

And what would you do to punish said school that tries to pull this off?

Yeah, when you interest, it's interesting when you mention how you could pay somebody with

name, image, and likeness.

I was thinking even a couple years ago when this first came out, I'm like, well, there

goes the threat of taking scholarships away because all you got to do is pay a kid large

NIL money and he can pay his own way through school if that's even important to him at

this point.

So I think everything, like if I'm the commissioner, you could say whatever you want.

If you're in charge of the NCAA, you could say whatever you want, I think we're at the

point where everything is going to be litigated in the courts, whether it's eligibility because

some kid wants to play a ninth year into his thirties or whether we have this shadow portal

and I can go to school wherever I want to go to school and I can transfer anytime I want

just like any other student.

Well, let's solve it in the courtroom.

It's going to drag out.

It's going to take forever.

It's going to be tedious, but I think every one of these items is just going to go right

up.

I don't know if they go to the Supreme Court or not, but they're all going to be decided

in the court because everybody's suing for everything.

The NCAA's losing everything.

They're trying to hold on to all these powers that they no longer have.

But yeah, it's going to no matter what a commissioner says, no matter what rules are in place.

I think it's going to come down to some judges somewhere.

Ryan, regardless of the courts, what kind of rules would you put in place to disincentivize

schools trying to do that to go get a running back somewhere else or if they have a key

player on either side of the football, what are you doing to try to stop this?

Yeah, that's a great question.

I think Greg said it really, really well.

I think ultimately we'll end up in the courts.

But if we're taking that part of it aside, to me, a lot of this just feels like whackable

though.

The unique circumstances pop up, you try to kick them back down and something else will

pop up.

I think it's to incentivize to win at this point and people have found that LuPo's generally

work.

I don't know what you can say.

What ultimately, I mean, Wisconsin was a victim of something similar to this a couple

of years ago in Xavier Lucas, who I mean, well, it is what it is.

They ended up in Miami and there was an agreement in place.

It is what it is.

Ultimately, I think you got to move on and go forward.

I'm not that worried about it to be completely honest, quite frankly, if there's a player

after spring, I'm just going to be honest that things they shouldn't be there and they

were looking around that might not be helping you win games anyway.

And I think it's just kind of where we're at and tell there is real strategic leadership

that comes down and brings people together in some way that unifies some of this.

I think we're going to be dealing with this stuff and I don't think there's anything

a commissioner can do.

A league can do, I think it's a problem in the system and until you fix the system,

we're going to keep dealing with things like this.

Ryan, you take a little bit of a defeated approach since it did happen to you.

I can just, I can just hear the defeatedness coming from your answer there.

Isaiah, where are we headed with this, with players just, they can transfer.

There's no sem, agreements don't mean anything.

Are we finally trending towards the end of the NCAA and the two, the super conferences

and what have you or is there something that can finally bring this together?

Well, did you want me to speak as the NCAA because I can do that?

I kind of set you up for that because I know I know how fond you are the NCAA.

Okay, I figured this would be great for you.

I don't know if this is going to work.

We're going to try it.

Like, well, maybe.

Back to cute, order 66, where the face, I love it.

Yeah, so that's that's how now I don't know how to get it back to white.

Let's see if we can do that.

I like the mood lighting for this.

It was it was red, but you know, having my other colored lights.

Anyway, I don't, I mean, number one, I want to, I want to preface this.

I said this on Korean and cone earlier in the week.

I want to make sure that everyone understands me.

I love the NCAA.

I mean, we all love the NCAA, right?

We all bow down to their, their amazingness and their great decisions.

No, I don't know that there's any like, once the toothpaste was out of the tube,

I just don't think that there was any way to put it back in, right?

And honestly, like, the toothpaste has been out of the tube for decades.

The problem actually more so was the NCAA let the SEC do whatever it wanted

and pretended like it didn't happen for just ever.

And then once that somehow we got transfer portal and NIL and all this stuff,

then suddenly it's now that everyone else is able to kind of play fair.

And I understand Ryan, unfortunately, you were victimized by an, you know,

an SEC style team that's in the ACC.

But at the same time, like the only reason why you even see a lot of the pushback at this point

is because the SEC is crying foul now because they're like,

these other teams are doing to us what we did to them. We can't have that.

So yeah, I don't think it's going to get solved unless they do take it to court and all that stuff.

Now, I'm not saying that it's good. Unfettered free agency every single year kind of sucks.

But at the same time, it's kind of just what we live with now.

The state of college football, it might get worse before it gets better,

but it's numbers are through the roof ratings are great.

Ratings are great when it comes to the big 10 squad.

Hey, the guys that stuck around for the full show, Isaiah Holt of Lockdown Wolverines,

Craig Sheeman of Lockdown, big 10 Ryan Harings of Lockdown Badgers. My name is Zach

Seiko. The host filling in for Spencer McLaughlin, who does a great job every single time.

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