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We will start with the SEC in the big 10, the big bad dogs.

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Can we put a stop to their reign of terror?

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The news this week, Cody Campbell pairing with Louisville and Louisville wrote a big

long article about this.

This comes from their administration saying, you know what, we're done.

The big 10 and the SEC have taken over for too long and they are dismantling college

athletics.

If we do not do something now, it will be too late.

John Kurtz has talked about this saying Cody Campbell has their ear and the SEC and the

big 10 are now writing a response paper and they're going back and forth.

Effectively, I think we're finally all coming to terms of the fact of the government as

much as I am not usually pro government stepping into things, but just we're, nope, this

is one of those.

We're like, the government's going to have to step in.

Otherwise, the big 10 of the SEC are going, what the hell are you eating, Paul?

Hmm.

He's got to be, he's got to play the part now.

There's a role here.

That's good, man.

He's got like a fruit roll up or what do you got going on there, Paul?

It's a reason.

A what?

Is that what it's even me?

It's a reason of little, it's like only in West Virginia kind of thing.

Is that a grandma candy?

What the hell?

I have never heard of that.

So, you get to blow that out.

We can't give free public response to us.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I was pulling the steak out of my teeth and I didn't know you guys could hear it, sorry.

I, these have been to fun for like 30 years.

Paul's eating a very, very, it's stale and if this could kill a regular human being,

Paul is superhuman. It's required for my. Yeah. So I have a bad. What is this? I have an abnormal gut.

So we don't go off rails this quickly. By the way, I was brought in. They said, hey, look,

this is it's a great group of guys. We're going to talk about sports. Apparently, I learn about

old MREs that Tubby found that there we go. I'm wearing deep in the mountain haulers.

But you have come around and that's how no Gibson came up with the passion of the Christ.

Okay. Very true. Did you make sounds like in your basement? What's go where did this come from?

I've never heard. And why are we talking about Paul's basement right now when we're supposed to be

talking about the SEC? And we'll get there. But I apologize for the listeners who are listening.

Just showed us a, okay, a German brand of individually wrapped chewy chocolate caramel candies

covered in 45% cocoa dark chocolate. I've never heard of this in my life. You just whipped out some

German chocolate on the show. And he didn't bring enough of the class. Like that's the big problem.

I don't even think I wanted it. I don't, I'm scared of this.

Several of my mouth at one time. Hey, you're going to MREs.

Before there we go. I think we can all, and look, we'll talk today on today. We will talk

today show about West Virginia, the bubble and how ESPN has kind of boxed out the big 12 on

plenty of different subjects. But at TCU in the bubble that the list goes on at big 12 schools

that are not getting the respect they deserve. But this whole big 10 SEC thing is legit. Like,

they've got the National Networks Fox DSPN by the cajonas. They've got Fox DSPM in their mouths.

And they are are doing whatever they can to take college football where they want it to go. And

that big 12 is not included in that. Yeah, of course. And the sanctimonies nature in which the

big 10 and the SEC are pretending to operate about how, you know, they don't need somebody else coming

in and changing the landscape of college football because it was already changed in 1984.

I don't know if you read the write-up that they paid to have put together. But it was absolute

nuts to see them of all people pretending that they're here to protect college football.

So if we change stuff, it would be bad for college football. It's it's it's La La Land, fellas.

I mean, look, I'm already here of refugee from the from the pack 12.

We already had it happen to me once as they as you guy like thank you USC for breaking that up.

I don't I know they want more money here guys, but can I at least have like three years in

a conference before it gets blown up again? Can I ask a question? Please go ahead, Drake.

Go ahead. Thanks, Cody. Tenure. I think Cody's the longest tenured one of all of us here.

Fill up new guy, Phil. Hey, uh, so welcome to the big 12 squad. Do you think that the big 12s

in danger of falling apart here in the next couple of like, what do you, what do you feel about

the stability of the big 12 conference? New guy, Phil? I, I mean, I don't know. Oh, like I didn't

pull in this all out there. I think it really depends on how much regulation we can get involved

with this because on the one hand, yeah, keep you have teams like Notre Dame that are saying,

look, we're in the college football playoff regardless of what happens. If we are ranked in the top

50, we deserve to be in there because we are just holier that we are so good at this.

I don't know how that happened. I like we're going to guarantee you're not saying that like if

Alabama exists, they probably should be in the playoffs. Like there is so many headwinds working

against whoever's not the SEC in the big 10 that yeah, I have no doubt that we're going to go to some

unless there can be something done to stop it unless popular, unless there's popular sentiment

saying, hey, we like regional conferences. We like having, you know, rivalries. You're going to

have some super league. It's going to be the big SEC or whatever. And it's going to have the top

15 teams of the country. And everyone else is going to be just sitting here eating risons.

German, but not a bad secondary option. If you ask me, Paul, it's pro rising. Actually,

so I think Philip makes a great point here and let's let's go there next. It is at the

reason I'm we're going to break here and go to because I want to flush it out. Josh Pate posted

a list of if he could change college football tomorrow and go back to conferences that make sense

because they do not make sense. The Rutgers is playing UCLA. If we could go back and do it over again,

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All right, Gents. So here it is. What Josh Pate proposed this still alive, by the way,

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on that supercast dot com. And Josh Pate. This is his proposal. He wants to hold on and make

this, make this clear for you guys because you're all going to complain that you can't see it.

He wants to revitalize revamp college football via his own expansion plan. And I am now proposing

the idea to you guys of whether or not this is the way to go. If we could go back yesterday

and make it all right, if we could start over, West Virginia shouldn't be in the big 12.

If we could start over Arizona stage should be the big 12. They should be to conference with BYU

with Utah and with USC. And guess what? West Virginia should be to conference with pit

and Louisville and Virginia Tech. If we can go back and do it all over again,

we would do it. It'll make a whole lot more sense. But we ruined it that we can't put the toothpaste

back in the tube. Obviously, however, if I could vote right now, we have a magic wand and go back

to this to have regionality and college athletics to have regionality in sports, I would do it.

None of you are on the screen, but you can begin speaking now.

So I got to say that I love having a big Josh Pate story because he hadn't been in the news a

lot lately. And I love having more Josh Pate things to talk about, especially because Drake,

I feel like, you know, if anyone would know about needing to redo and put toothpaste back in a tube

and just go back in time, Josh Pate absolutely is the guy to want to do it. Now, I will say,

as locked on Cougs host, we've talked, when Houston got to the big 12 by this 30 year gap,

the Southwest Conference falls apart, Houston gets left out of the big 12. They're still trying to

recoup all of the time lost. There's a generation of fans that are now donating to all your programs

that never happened that Houston, right? I do think, though, that Southwest Conference thing you

just had, like, that's the water cooler talk at every job around here all the time is this hypothetical

match up between the Bernard school and the Maroon school and all those like that still is the

conversation happening in Texas is the surrounding state. It's like, okay, well, who would win

between SMU and Texas or Texas Tech and Texas or whatever in a given year or in basketball right now,

you'd have Houston and Baylor and whatever talking like the same kind of conversation.

And I like the regional aspect of this was so great for so long. And as someone who got left

out of it once upon a time, it'd be great. It does make this kind of feel like we just got here

for nothing like Phil pointed out a second ago, right? We all just got to this four mega conference,

like, you know, four gigantic 16 plus team leagues. And like, it feels like, you know, how far can

you really try to experiment before you call it completely failed? As someone who just got there,

it feels kind of, you know, we hold it, we're already going back and up now, you know, we just got

there. I would say the only Cincinnati is the only one that we've added to the big 12 that

hasn't carried weight yet. Agreed. But everyone else has done something. I mean, Utah is a

hypothetical. Yeah, hypothetical something, right? They want 10 games this year.

When I look at that Joss Payton thing, it validates that he absolutely hates the big 12 or the

origination of the big eight because why is he putting Utah? I'm so flipping tired of Utah. I do

not want to be with them, get them a part of them, any flick it, get them. I'd rather be rice

and be next to you. Tyson, then be playing. I'll get this Utah business. Look, I'll take Utah back.

Okay. He put ASU back in the pack. He yells at the pack 10. I hated those games because they

killed every promising ASU season in the last five years. But I'll take I'll take Utah. That's fine.

I just want to go crush Oregon's dreams in the desert every year. We don't get that anymore.

Of course, you talk about these matchups that don't make sense. Why in the world is Stanford

in the ACC? Because Josh Payton can do whatever he wants. No, no. They're back in the pack 10.

That's fine. You talk about egregious prospects of these four mega conferences. Why in the world

are there two California schools? I'm assuming Josh Payton still had something to do with us.

To be fair, those California schools are at least on a coast. Those counties in Dallas have zero.

I mean, there's not even a lake really. I mean, there's not a whole lot of water there.

We got white rock. We got white rock lake. Where did they put West Virginia in that graphic, Paul?

Did he throw you back in the ACC? There's back in the Big East, which we're missing a few schools

there that like Maryland, West Virginia, Maryland, go back a long way, rivalry-wise.

But obviously, the Rutgers, that might be worse than you told, my bad.

Yeah. Well, yeah. You know, USF would, I mean, if you're going to bring back the Big East, USF

was actually ranked as highest number two in the country when they were in the Big East,

they were really good at one point in time. But I mean, I'm not, obviously, they're not in

a powerful conference now. I get it. But, you know, for West Virginia, Virginia taking pit,

there's a hundred years of history on both sides of that. You know, there's a ton of

regionality involved in that. I think it's simple. Simple things in life for what people care about.

Can I drive to the game or not? Or do I have to book a flight and call off work? You know,

it's so simple. And yet, they still eff it up. It's crazy. The ability to drive to Blacksburg,

or the ability to drive to Maryland, or the ability to then for them to drive to Morgan Town,

you know, pits an hour away. Virginia texts two hours away. It's insane. You know, the hatred too.

I was real worried about where you about to say you were driving, Paul. So I'm glad you clarified

there the second one. I will say, though, the other thing, and this is probably unique to Texas,

is that like Lubbock and Houston are still like 10 hours away. That's probably unique to the

geography of the region, but like Tulane and Tech and Southwest Conference thing going from New Orleans

to Lubbock. That's a long way and still feels like there's a regionality to it that I kind of

think works, right? Like it's not necessarily just driving distance, but there's more to it than

just that. There's also you're in the same time zone, right? It's one thing to say, I, you know,

I can't drive from Lubbock to middle of nowhere, Louisiana. That's fine. But I don't have to stay

up until two in the morning to watch my team play. You know, I don't have to go to I have a job

I can still follow ASU. Well, obviously, if I'm an ASU alum and I live on these coasts,

that's a different thing. But you know, I shouldn't be these conference games that are all over the

place. It's a lot easier for me to follow if it's in my the time zone of the school that is playing.

Correct. That's a great point. Also, we can take two minutes on this.

If you have a politician on your show, because you know what? I'll say, I think a couple that's

had Josh Payton on our shows. I like Josh Payton. That was fun. Number always been great to me.

Always been great to me. Yeah, me too. There's a there is a dividing line of like, hey, this person's

a politician. If feet percent of people are going to react to this negatively, 20% 30%, 40%,

40% you start to weigh the odds of that percentage, right? Ultimately paid deleted video with the

president. That's always like I'm also I'm pro. Don't delete like leave that thing up. Let it

be. I didn't know that. Let the conversation. In fact, don't delete the thing. Don't

don't wave white flags to be clear. He didn't leave the full episode. They were just like

a split off, right? Like the full episode. So it'd be like locked on big 12 posts. Hey, here's

the best segment so that you can just digest what you came to see. And the idea there would be

for paid or locked on big 12. This is the this is the magnum opus. This is what you go and see.

I just don't I think a lot of the listeners of this show of our shows listen to Josh Payton.

I'm not berating you for listing him. Right. I would I'd say in a spot like this,

the president invites you to the White House. Joe Biden, Donald Trump,

Ronald Reagan, George Washington, go to the White House. Do you ever make your own personal

decision or do whatever you like? It have a relationship with the president. That's fine.

I think the second you bring into your listenership that and you don't

send it around sports. I listen to the interview and it was not really about sports either.

That's what like yeah, but that's what I'm like, okay, maybe we don't you just don't have to

you don't have to alienate 30% of your listenership. That's just it was just a bad interview.

Matt, maybe he was trying to expand his horizon a little bit there. That's that was my thought

when I watched it. That's what I was trying to get into another medium. Maybe it is. What a risk,

you know, it is a risk. And I haven't seen it yet, but I assume Trump being a sports dude,

they would talk a lot of sports. So I figured some it would make some sense. Yeah. I mean,

the pipeline from college football to the Senate is

Connelly's right. I think though that Drake, the thing, and I mean, you had a lot of points

where I'm saying you missed something on purpose. The thing that you missed those paid head to that

point, been pretty adamant about like, hey, let's just talk ball, right? Like that. I think

I think that that like that was kind of well, his being was like, I'm the guy that just talks

about regular sports. He's just the normal sports guy. He started talking ball and Trump didn't

know what the heck he was talking about. Like he was struggling to keep up inside of the air. That's

what that's going to be. I think he pivoted though because he was he was it was obvious that there

was a disconnect, you know what I mean? I don't know if that's why he pivoted or not. I'm not trying

to make excuses for Josh. I didn't know it, but it was like clearly Trump was not fully he didn't

understand everything that he was asking about, which I think that's why you ultimately probably

like, hey, this is not something and I surely the president reached out his office reached out to

pay. I can't imagine Josh to just emailing everybody by every politician waiting for the opportunity.

And you weigh that, right? You weigh the the the cost analysis of this paid weight it. He did it.

It blew up in his face a little bit. It will be tantalizing. I mean, it's gonna tell me,

but they didn't have a list of subjects. They were going to go over like, I think it was in

the way. I don't know the media office. Right. I don't think they would just give them up.

They they they bring that to a tee. Yeah, they brief that stuff to a tee. I think paid has to

understand this guy doesn't know ball like that, which also fine. I don't need my politicians

to to know for it. I mean, this is 40 time. I don't need that. I don't really care.

Then it's a matter of, okay, if that's not going to add your sports conversation with the sports

guy, then it's not really really gay. It paid says, I'm going to I have my separate podcast,

the Josh Pate show of Josh Pate in the world. Yeah, dude, talk about politics. I don't care

if outside your sports show. Yeah, you have what I believe you want. You know, I actually

assume the intersectionality would be this Cody Campbell and will the government get involved.

I figured that would be. No, not really. Did they not touch on that? That's what they did. Yeah,

but it wasn't really a focal point. It wasn't like a memorable piece of, hey, this, you know,

what's going to happen? But good. Good discourse. Good discourse. My friend was Nick Sabin,

right? It was, it was like, he's funny. But again, I, hey, credit to, to most of you guys,

for at least watching it and at least giving it a shot, just to see, because that's, look,

that open-mindedness to me is an important thing in sports and politics. You mix the two. You

take a risk and I'm still going to listen to Josh Pate. I'm still going to watch Josh Pate.

Absolutely. Yeah. I'm still going to text him whenever I feel like, hey, I really need

Josh Pate's thoughts on this. Coming up. Oh, the bubble. This, we're recording this Monday,

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Paul, let's go to you. And again, recording on Monday night with intention to release on

Thursday. So things could have happened. I think even if West Virginia will say lost to Kansas

state earlier this week in a game that will happen, um, I don't care. If we're going to let Auburn

at 16 and 15, 5 and 11 and SEC play, get into March madness and have West Virginia. So

distinctly, Joe Lennarty has West Virginia grouped with Baylor somehow. I do not understand how

we're not allowing the middle of the pack in the best conference in America to have, like,

if Colorado at 16 and 13, 6 and 10 and big 12 play had that record in the SEC, which is a

worse conference, Joe Lennarty would have him in March madness. That is a problem. That is a

serious problem. I mean, I feel like the committee, Otis one, Otis one a little bit, right? I mean,

after last year after, yeah, after every single bracket, you know, bracket matrix had never missed.

Every single bracket had West Virginia in. And because of Bubba, Mr. Bubba Cunningham, we missed,

right? Because his beloved Tar Heels needed in. Um, you know, obviously, this is a,

we control our destiny still. I think if we went out, we're in a decent spot, we may need to

win one in the conference tournament. You really depends on what the rest of the bubble does. I did

some blind resume tests on my show earlier today. I'll give you one really quick. So this is a team

that, you know, in my opinion, probably shouldn't be in the tournament. But let's talk about it

really quick. Because if you look at their record, 19 and 10, right, or I'm sorry, 17 and 12,

net 41, 2 and 11 in quad one, 2 and 1 and quad two. Do you know who that is? Anybody know who

that is off the top? That would be Indiana, a team with two quad one wins, 2 and 1 and quad two,

and somehow they are above West Virginia. Darin degrees have lost four straight games,

and they're still in the tournament. Somebody explained that one to me, and you can go Auburn as well.

You think Bruce Pearl is probably worth four more wins for that team this year if they get to

kept him around. Maybe they're also not as good as they were last one. I think the, I think

anything to me is it's the exact inverse of the SEC argument in coach football playoff,

right, which is a much smaller field. And they'll tell you that a three loss SEC team needs that 10,

11, 12 spot because those three losses are just because they play in the SEC. Well, the inverse of

that is exactly this in the big 12 with basketball. TCU has beaten some very good teams, played Michigan

down to a nail bider, and ultimately it's going to sit at about 500 in this league, right? That's

the way that goes. They lost to a bad Colorado team that is probably going to keep them around 500,

right? Truthfully, they took Michigan down to the wire, and Michigan's going to be a one seed,

like you're telling me they couldn't have an upset in the first weekend if you gave them the same

chance. And this is, it just, it feels like the exact same argument, but it's not being applied

for, you know, dollars or whatever, whatever you're going to put it on. Meanwhile, I would point out

while I'm talking about, well, I'm brought up dollars. The big 12 doing very well in terms of

TV ratings and basketball, right? Like big Mondays and big 12 teams doing very well, Saturday,

afternoon, Saturday night, like prime time big 12 basketball's doing very well. You'd think this

would start to spin at some point, and it's not. Got to win it. Got to win it, fellas. Yeah, obviously

in West Virginia's case, I'm sorry, Bill. In other than this case, you have to win out, right?

I mean, and the thing is, is no, no big 12 team has never been above 500 to miss, right?

I've got some people telling me that if we went out and we're 10 and 8, we're probably still

going to miss. That's what people are telling me. That's crazy. Yeah.

And it's hard, it's like, yeah, sorry. I don't mean to step on other state's toes here. I look at

the conference, though. You see mentioned West Virginia sitting there at eight and eight.

Is there any doubt that BYU at eight and eight would get in though for the TV dollar because we

want to see debaunts on the tournament? That's right. You nailed it. It is silly. Now, now, and this

is pushback just a tad. This is it should open the conversation up to, yeah, eight and eight isn't

all made the same based on non-conference. Like BYU is beating some of the best teams in college,

basketball, or at least played them close, right? Like UConn. That's a game they're going to use.

And so, yes, this is a different so to me, where BYU could be a five or six seed and West Virginia

should be a seven seed. I don't even think West Virginia should just squarely begin.

Right. I'm Oregon that they should both be in. I'm sorry if that wasn't like, okay, if one is,

they should both be, but I ain't just based over our quad one wins after like we should be in.

You know what I mean? We've done some really good games. We've beaten Kansas. We've beaten UCF.

We've now beaten BYU. You know, I mean, it's kind of silly.

Well, and it's just it is, it's the silly, and we've kind of just the silly losses, the Utah,

the Oklahoma. That's what's killing us. That's what's terrible, but it's the Utah. It's the Baylor.

It's, you know, the home losses to bad teams. And yeah, in relative to where you want to be,

as far as big 12 schools and their status, I'd say Baylor's a bad team right now. They,

yes, certainly good sports. That's anybody the big 12 Oklahoma state on their best day could

beat Kansas and still want because it's the big 12 that our basketball is that deep. I believe

that. And also it's probably because Darren Peterson won't play that game. Baylor has a lot of

the perception being a big deal in football. Let's say that Houston beats Florida for the

natty and basketball last season. Does that change this conversation at all? And well,

I don't think it does. I think what's interesting though, Cody is like, you know, Houston has

60 seconds away from title, right? But tech was also of double digits down the stretch in

the early day game. And then you could add two big 12 final four teams were that close to that.

And you've had big 12 teams actually win it recently in Kansas and Baylor and tech was in

the final in 2019. So while I guess they didn't win it last year, the big 12 has had success.

It's not quite apples to me. I know, but it feels like other conferences. If we give them an excuse

to bury the big 12, they're going to do it every time. Here's my question. How much of this

flows down from other sports, right? So yes, big 12, great basketball year in the past couple

years. We've been very good, even if ASU is kind of got through that in there. But football is,

if basketball money is here, football money is off my screen, right? And we all know the SEC

it just means more. They have the big football dollars. We were talking about this at the start

of the show. How much of this is well, even if we're going to take Auburn, for example, even if

Auburn is mid to poor, kind of okay at basketball, they have such a big fan base from their other

sports that the calculus says they're going to bring more money into the broadcast. They're going

to more bring more viewership in. Then a very good Texas tech team that, you know, it is

new, a newer school, newer program that maybe it doesn't have that level of well, we're,

you know, we're Auburn, right? We're Eagle. Let's go.

Yeah, I think there is something to that for sure. And I didn't think, you know, when you look

like I'll use West Virginia one more time, you look at what West Virginia has had to go through

over the last four years, you're on your fourth coaching four years. Yeah, I think that's definitely

one of the part of this is that just the fly, like I said, on your show the other day, Drake,

the flying WV used to have a lot of brand power. And it's lost a lot of brand power in both major

sports over the last half decade or a little more. After Bob Huggins was let go and ceremoniously

and when Neil Brown took over, unfortunately. So we got work to do. We're hoping to regain some

of that in the next couple of years because time is running out. Yeah, good. I think that's a great

spot. And of course, Paul, who is our wise sage and doctor to end us on a on a high note. Thank

you, Mount near Paul and Park Green towards Cody still. And we're a hockey school now, Drake.

Oklahoma states a hockey school. Go build that ring. I've got to use wrestling.

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