"Big Phood" w/ Chris Crutchfield

0:00Welcome to the Biochristma podcast. I'm your host, Christopher Gardner. Today we have Christopher Crutchfield of the 6.7 podcast. I thought it was important to play this interview that I did for him on his podcast a few months ago because of my last podcast with Sabrina Wallace. It's probably been one of the more popular podcasts that I've done in a while where we have Sabrina really go into the depths of what cognitive warfare is. In cognitive warfare, it's just an extension of asymmetrical warfare. Chris Crutchfield is the best mind out there for doing the in between, taking something super technical and like, dumbing it down for the rest of us. So if Sabrina is the tech person that actually worked in the field, it knows all the jargon at the highest level.

1:01Chris is the bridge for us. And so I thought it would be important to play this one just because it's very necessary right now to know that we're in an electronic warfare state and we're in a world now that's very akin to what was happening at the turn of the 20th century with World War I. Nobody believed in chemical warfare, but it was happening and it was happening at a large scale because nobody had really any like knowledge of it, you know, you don't know what you don't know. So right now in the world, there's been this massive amount of electronic, let's just call it, devices, electronic capabilities, signals, you know, engineering, that's all over the world. I ran to Central America close

2:04to 20 years ago thinking I was going to escape it and it's down there in spades also. It's everywhere. You can't run from it. So the best thing that we can do is actually explain what it is and then discuss those things that will mitigate it. Part of the reason why I have a biochar company and I sell biochar is because biochar is one of the solutions to the EMF soup that we're in. So this is, it's all, you know, power for the course of this. So enjoy this podcast with Chris. It's a long one, it's about two and a half hours. It's very informationally packed like the one with Sabrina. So have your note pad out, take notes and check out the 6, 7 podcast when you get a chance. Chris is coming back to Missouri. He'll be here in a month and we'll be able to kick it and do some things live and in person and I'm really happy that you guys get a chance to listen. Please like, you know, subscribe, share, do all those things to help the pod and I will see

3:10you on the flip side. All right you guys. Today I have a really cool guest. This man shares my first name and he shares a lot of my smarts, my wit, my charming good looks, dashing good looks. You like charming or dashing? Either either. Either. Okay. Well, you can be dashing and I'll be charming. I'll be dashing. Okay, that's great. So his name is Tofer Gardner. Now I am Chris Tofer who goes by Chris and he is

4:15Christopher who goes by Tofer. So we have found a way to help common ground and we still share. We share our name but he gets to have his letters and I can have my letters and we're not fighting. Nope. So yeah, we would have the longest name ever. It's Chris Tofer Gardner Field Crutch. Christopher Gardner Field Crutch. And then John playing that in on a scantron. It's like there is no, there's none of that. All the consonants. Exactly. So I'm here with Tofer. I was just a guest and a panelist on his recent Elementals conference held in Missouri and I had an absolute amazing time. Tofer and with a lot of friends who share a similar kind of world view about the way that the world works and some of how we can like what we can do about that. And in my discussions and enjoyment just Tofer of how much time we had or how much fun we had this time earlier this year we'll definitely going to be there next year. We've already talked about Elementals 27.

5:20Robbie there, he'll be there and I hope you'll be there too. But in the meantime, let's talk about something a lot more pressing and a lot more pertinent to what's going on right now. And that is this idea of food and the imminent shift underneath of everybody's feet of what is happening in the agricultural kingdom. I say kingdom in the agricultural industry. I mean, why as well be a kingdom at this point. And the agricultural industry as well as some some best practices of what we can do about the drama that's happening right now that I honestly don't think a lot of people really know much about. So Tofer, I'm going to have you in a second explain the backstory. But I want to bring the viewer up to speed on exactly what Tofer and I discussed that led into this very conversation right now. I got a text from him maybe three or four days ago

6:20and he was like, Hey, senior crutchfielder, hope you're doing well. But I really feel like it's been put on my heart that I need to talk about food and what's really going on in the world of fertilizer farming and agriculture. And part of that was I'm sure what you were going on in turn it was just bubbling internally for you to share both with me and your audience through your sub stack. So you wrote a sub stack article not that long ago. I just recently read that article and I think it helped unpack even a whole new perspective for me of what's going on. And where I'm bringing this into my greater discussion for anybody who has been following the biopsy of a siop see is regarding the agricultural setup as it relates to the technology setup and the bigger endeavor that's if you ask me about the removal of autonomy and personal control. The food part of it has a lot has a has a it plays a major factor. Now I always knew that. But I

7:24in the documentary have focused more on how food plays a factor as it relates to the technology setup. How it's really the problem and it really should be the solution. But because it's so depleted of nutrients and being weaponized, it's more of a problem than a solution possibility. But what I with the documentary lacks I won't say lacks. But what I focus on the documentary is how it relates to technology. What I don't focus on as much is what Mr. Gardner here focuses on and that's solutions. What we can do about what's really going on. How we can understand this. How we can approach this without fear and how we can actually do something relatively inexpensive. Locally impersonally that starts to reverse this issue for ourself and our children and the generations moving forward. So without any more illustrious roundabout setup, Tova can you explain to the audience today what it was that really got you convicted and passionate about food and carbon-based solutions.

8:26Well firstly I had moved down to Central America and I had found myself in this community of people that had all like you know people green goes from all over the world that had moved to the tropics for food sovereignty. But it was very difficult to do there because there wasn't any soil. And you know we would do these practices of composting and all that type of stuff to try and build soil. But nobody like none of our farms were really like taking off unless we did some really small scale under greenhouses and things like that. And some people had some good success or if you were planting you know essentially tropical fruit trees from Southeast Asia that know how to kind of navigate that type of box-eyed soil. And it wasn't until about 2010 or 2011 where I was failing pretty hard with my cacao trees. Cacao is chocolate for those of you that don't know.

9:31And so they always call me baggnails. It's in York cacao. Yeah my farm was suffering from these leaf cutter ants that came in and leaf cutter ants are incredible. They're one of the only nitrogen fixing insects in all of the tropics. So I didn't have a negative connotation towards the leaf cutter ants in that way. But when they come they're showing you that you have some weak or sick trees and this happened to be my cacao growth that was getting bummed pretty heavily. And I was just lamenting the fact to a permaculture expert in our area who he had hired me to build for one of his clients. And we had had like the six hour drives to the clients you know farm up in the north who just happened to be the at that time the only whole food supplement company in the world. So I was learning all about nutrition and things like that from from new chapter organics farm. Where

10:32was your disease? 2000 it was either 2010 or 2011. God. I think it was 2010 because I had just I think it was 2010. I'm pretty sure it was 2010. And so he he told me to look into Tera Preta. And so I did I looked into Tera Preta and that those were the words that that were used by the Spanish speakers down in South America to describe these huge lines of biochar that they were finding in the Amazon rainforest. So as the Amazon rainforest was being deforested or at like it's being deforested now. But as they were deforesting it there's there was like these avatar moments where they would like be clearing these trees. And they would find these huge swaths of black earth. And so anthropologists and different people started to come in and like look like

11:35how could there be this this beautiful black dirt in these perfectly symmetrical rose. And then they were finding Tera Kata in them. And they were wondering what's the Tera Kata and all this other stuff. And they pretty much figured out after a while that they figured out the system that was being employed by the Amazonians from actually reading the conquistadors and what the conquistadors had said about the Amazonians you know five five six hundred years ago. And so I read I read it all. I was like what what ETAI told me to look into something I looked into it because that that guy has the mightest touch like he like everything he's ever told me to look into has been awesome. Worthy totally. Yeah so I I kind of figured out on my own exactly how they were doing the cooking of the biomass you know they would essentially dig these long canals. And then

12:40they would put these Tera Kata they look like Tandori ovens like if you've ever been to India that you have like the semi vase shape Tandori ovens. Well they would put those at the bottom of these long canals that they were you know digging and they'd do that like every you know you know I think it was like 10 meters like every 30 feet. And then what they would do is the earth that they dug out and put on either side of that canal they would plant with light demanders and light demanders grow very fast and they pretty much reach maturity in six state months and then they would chop all those light demanders down so that they would actually fall and fill the canal over those Tandori thingies. And then they would just put that earth back over top of them and then they would light the Tandors. And how I figured that out was they shared a cross section of one of these one of these canals with these these ovens in them. And I was like oh that's rocket mass heater.

13:45And at the time my construction company mainly centered around me building rocket mass heaters for people. So I was like oh I know what that is. And so I saw the the the airline in the exhaust out and I could see and I was like okay so that they were doing pyrolysis in place. And that pyrolysis in place was perfect because they didn't have to move the dirt. Everything just fell right in there then they would cook it and boom boom done done. And then they would just plant it afterwards. And this was incredible because now in the current day and age when these excavators and these massive earth moving machines would move through there that carbon was still there and that carbon was still viable. And it's not endemic to the area in the form that they were finding it in the ground. It was in the tropics. Yeah. Yeah. And the tropics carbon is in the green leafy matter. It's what grows up. And usually like where I was in Costa Rica the the indigenous plants would get all of

14:51their minerals and all that from the ocean air. They didn't get it from you know the soil. So all of us dumb green goes that were down there trying to plant you know European things in tropical soil. It weren't having a good good time of it. It was because our whole frame of reference was you know upside down like in the tropics you know the the canopy is what absorbs not the root balls. So in figuring that out and just started to apply biochar because I could make it. When I saw how they were making it with the rocket mass heaters I was like ah I can actually modify some of the rocket mass heaters I'm making. And I modified one I think is the very first video I ever put on Instagram of I modified I made what I call a rocket retort and I burnt a hole through my dome. It was awesome. It was like one of the best happy accidents I ever did because I like got

15:51the fire got so hot and in the whole theory of it worked better than I could imagine. Well I was doing fair I was doing nylon cement at the time to protect this earth in domes. I headed outside but I had no idea that the flame would shoot up seven feet like so it shot up and obviously nylon nylon will light you know. And so I was like it worked yay. And so I was just started making a lot of biochar and I thought you know my projection onto the world was that people would want to make their own you know the whole do it yourself or thing. And so I just started to try and teach people you know how to make it with these rocket retorts and all that and in that world of like you know supplying this this very very high end and by high end I mean

16:52extremely diamagnetic carbon this biochar I started interacting and rubbing elbows with some incredible people when it comes to permaculture when it comes to biodynamic farming like all these people that really knew what they were doing like they were professionals and things like that like they were all into it you know. And so the problem was down there I couldn't I didn't have the means or the tech to actually be able to produce it at volume. And so it took a little learning curve with that. But the whole thing that I was seeing is even when I was helping people find their farms the number one thing that we would look for other than water you know clean fresh water was how much carbon is actually in the ground. And usually like you'd have these these a lot of the land that that's out there has been abused. And what makes abused land abused is

17:53that there's no carbon in the soil. And if there's no carbon in the soil there's no carrying capacity that's usually when you have terrible runoff in in Central America the runoff like it just reigns a little bit and all the rivers are orange like you know. Oh yeah good point. Because there's no carbon there's no carbon left I should say. When it was all a canopy jungle it was obviously very very different. So I ended up after you know a COVIDs my family we moved back to the United States and we had like a little Van diagram of wants and needs of the land that we were going to buy. And it had to have fresh water. It had to have a certain amount of acreage. It had to have a slope like all these things you know. And also I wanted to be near where there was like wood pulp and like the wood industry for the biochar. And so we ended up about four years ago landing here in

18:55Southern Missouri and it's just been gangbusters since then. With learning how the lumber industry works here, learning how to take their waste and convert it. And then just like getting all the good news of how to convert this biomass that's pretty much everywhere into the carbon that the hydrocarbons have been trying to replace. And that's what I wrote about on substack was the fact that like because there isn't that much natural endemic carbon left in the ground because of the over usage of these hydrocarbon based fertilizers. The way I like to say it is it's almost like you know when people go take antibiotics you know they get a little sniffle and they take antibiotics or they do this or that. And they use antibiotics. It kills all the the the the the the probiota that's in your system. Well that's been happening to our soil you know pretty much ever since the dust bowl.

19:59Yeah and that's a long time that's like a hundred years. So in that our soil our carbon levels have been going down down down and down and like how we started with like in Chinese medicine the mycelium the mushroom is like the the elder wisdom that we can take into our system. Well as the carbon dissipates as it goes away then that wisdom like that wisdom disappears and then the way the water interacts with the soil the way the soil interacts with the plants that are in it it acts in a very juvenile manner. It acts very selfish and this these are term using terms from Victor Schauburger. Right. Because he would describe things in that in that in their qualitative way not necessarily in their scientific way but in their qualitative way. And we've all been around some juvenile brats before. They're kind of selfish. They're not really aware of their environment and they're very they're very unstable and that's the way a lot of these things are

21:05working because they don't have that elder wisdom of the carbon that was there and kept the ground stable for so long. You know and it used used to hold the water you know that's one of the biggest things that carbon does is it like it will hold the water like we have all this runoff and pretty much every agricultural setting in the world because there's no carbon to hold the water. So okay I want to try to like make sure that I'm understanding what you're saying and as what I want to do for the audience is also make sure that they're connecting the biochar solution with the bigger greater agricultural problem. So about a decade and a half ago you grew up in Florida again where did you grew up in South Florida South Florida and then about a decade and a half ago you found yourself in Costa Rica learning about agriculture in a setting that you genuinely weren't from. Part of your issue with your cacao trees led you to discovering the greater

22:12general problem with agricultural just with the plants are going through on a general scale and that's the depletion of nutrients and more macro scale the depletion of memory and information at the carbon level which is causing even what carbon might be present to act in such a juvenile way in its metabolic processes within the soil. At the same time I forget who you said it was that you were doing some digging how you discovered the rocket mass heat or concept in terms of what the ancients were doing. You were somewhere in Costa Rica and you said you saw as they were doing these digs these just a bit. I read about it on national geographic like I said my friend Eta I said looking at terra prada that's right terra prada so I just did a Google search and I literally like I think it was like discovery channel or it was like one of these like mainstream things I think it was national geographic or so okay explain what terra prada is a because I'm a terra prada is

23:18Amazonian biochar okay so so it it's like like primary earth would translate to or something like that I mean kind of you know terra is earth and yeah I don't know what prada I don't know what terra don't quote us on the translations if you're listening but the point my point is so what I'm hearing is that a series of events led you to kind of figuring out that the the real assault going on with agriculture and why you were having such a hard time applying your agricultural practices to a different culture than you were used to is really a systemic greater issue in the carbon that's available in the earth. Yes excuse me okay so for the average person who might be listening to this and they're like okay well I'm not a farmer so like explain to me what

24:18it is that I'm supposed to be so like worried about in context of of like you know agricultural issues right now can you describe to the listener what you see on the horizon because what would you spend time doing and I'm glad you did was setting up how there's a whole separate way to apply fertilization to to one's crops right and most people don't know and even me because I'm not an agricultural expert I wasn't really aware that when you go and buy fertilizer in the store you're buying at the end of the day long story short a hydrocarbon based solution. So petroleum based product correct so it's a petroleum derivative that is essentially acting like an antibiotic would be to an organic body in the case of probiotics in the ground a probiotics

25:22to your gut get affected in the way overuse of antibiotics do like probiotics in the soil get affected by overuse of fertilizer. Absolutely. Okay so with that to under being underscored I want to make it clear I want to clarify with you that the real looming issue that I'm seeing developed and I think you're speaking to as well is that all of us don't matter really where you're from are by by and large used to agricultural practices whether that's stuff we buy in the grocery store because some farmer did it for us or whether you're the farmer that's actually doing the work but the agricultural practices are based on buying fertilizer fertilizing your soil which hopefully gives it enough carbon and minerals to grow nutrients in the stuff you're growing out of it or to grow anything at all and then you harvest that and sell it or you harvest that and eat it. In the wake of this present landscape a lot of the fertilizer is just either on back order or is

26:25locked up in the straighter or moves right now right and a lot of the big I don't know you guys head scratcher energy from the farming conversation and that subculture has to deal with equipment being not serviced and fertilizer being not available so the two things you need for farming fertilizer and a machine to help you do it all are the two most challenged industries at the moment. Yes you said it so so perfectly the choke point in all of this is is the fact that all modern farming on a large scale is essentially moving through a hydrocarbon so whether it's a fuel like diesel that's actually running these combines or running these massive vehicles that move everything and process it right or it's the actual petrochemical that they're using in the form of a fertilizer to actually to to to not only just seed the the fields but harvest it but then also to

27:32like just make the ground even semi viable to grow anything see the ground right now like in the the amount of top soil in the Midwest is is scary low and the reason why that is and the reason why it goes down every year is because the modern practices that are used that are hydrocarbon dependent hydrocarbon is just an oil dependency that's all that means the hydrocarbon that there's almost like a one-to-one ratio of hydrocarbon to carbohydrate the carbohydrate would be the corn or the greens or the soil or whatever is being grown right never thought about that that's etymologically got to be a link hydrocarbons exactly the way our metabolism works so our metabolism is a measure of like how we convert how we transduce one thing into another so the only two things that we can actually metabolize are carbohydrates or hydrocarbons so that means we can

28:35either metabolize a sugar or a fat and guess what they're both carbon because we're carbon it's very it's very it's very simple and you know we're told all this fancy stuff but the end of the day it breaks down to how does this carbon process this form of carbon or this form of carbon and that's why when I I can cook any biomass out there and I end up with a carbon copy of the thing because the thing was the majority of it was made out of carbon okay so what I want you to continue I the can finish your thought and then I'll ask my question I just want to go through a quick list of definitions but we'll do that after you finish your thought yeah so that to me that's why it's so silly that we have all the carbon you know the United States is full of natural capital I've been to countries like Haiti that very little natural capital like they don't have much stuff growing there so it's very hard for them to convert biomass into carbon the United States

29:41is is rife with with you know biomass so if we just converted a little bit of that we wouldn't have to go get the carbon in the form of oil or in the form of a petrochemical like a fertilizer all the way in the Middle East got it and most people probably don't even realize that most of the piting soil and fertilize you see on your storage shelf into Walmart is from the Middle East Y'all be some racist ass for the muckers up there like these dog on brown towel heads if they do what was good for them what me while you're picking up a product that they made off of your shelf in your home Southern yeah it's hilarious like the urea like the urea plants that's the big thing that they're talking about got destroyed over there was where like all of these fertilizers are made are they they've been taking all this urea and then synthesizing that into essentially a nitrogen fixing type of fertilizer well it's so funny all you would have to do is go save your

30:43own pee or your family's pee and you can make your own derivative of that urea but urea urea right urea urea urea for yeah it's very interesting like it's it's fun for me because I'm I am like that like Jack Johnson song like recycle reuse repurpose I like that like that like when people ask me about my hobbies I'm like I like taking that thing with that was that and then like making it into this like I like converting so when I can see like oh this waste product is actually very very valuable I actually don't even think waste should be a word waste is just indicative of ignorance because I've seen most things can be converted I read this incredible book when I was first starting my my journey into gardening called food for 40 generations and it talked about how in southeast Asia they would use you know humanewer as the main fertilizer in their culture

31:47and how they were able to grow immense immense amount of food because they essentially used humanewer and then they always made sure that when water was moving through their property they slowed it down meaning they would build switchback canals and all the stuff of the water would would store on their property and do work for a long time and in those two those two principles were like the main two principles and they were able to proliferate incredible amounts of food and in their in their populations exploded because of it okay that's good I'm glad you said that because when I think of the concept of humanewer it's like it takes a little bit of cognitive dissonance to get around but it's like we use it from cows all the time and nobody plinks twice so before we continue I want you to quickly just in a sentence or so explain a few terms

32:49just for the person who might not be familiar with what you're talking about okay biomass what do you how do you define biomass biomass is anything that's ever grown ever so that's like tree branches sticks leaves yep plastic include plastic hasn't grown but is technically no it came from a petrochemical I mean I came from an abiotic organism that became oil that got converted into the the plastic mass that you have in fact my biggest learning of of how to do biochar was from the Japanese because they because they do pyrolysis on their island of converting because they make all these plastic goods and things like that and their city states you know they convert so much plastic back into oil because they are an island nation okay I got it so biomass is anything that we could we would you would it be safe to say that

33:51almost everything we consider as waste could be considered biomass almost all of it so like I've written short stories do that you would love where the short stories are in the future all these landfills are actually the energy sources because you go to any landfill in the southeast of the United States and you'll see a bunch of pipes coming out of the top of it where they're lit they're lit on fire yeah you'll see just they're like a constant flame yeah constant torch what do you think that's wrong oh yeah the stuff they're burning the actual it's all the off-gassing so like yeah yeah that's what I'm saying like see this is a thing a city boys don't know much about like we see some off-gassing and that's like it's got a different meaning like it most of them must be making plutonium at that plant not converting converting plastic well they don't even have to do anything so those those dumps are gross and those gross dumps have tons and tons of bacteria that are sitting there and they're breaking down all of the carbon

34:57got it they're breaking down all the rubber the glue all of it all of it it's all breaking down and as it's breaking down part of the breakdown are what we call volatile volatile you know gases well guess what when you light a volatile gas I know it's a volatile gas and how does that toggle bill right so like it's all right here we have billions of tons of biomass so okay biomass is obviously this broad term for almost anything that we can consider as part of our daily life beyond its normal use function if if if anything that you use that was grown like at some point the raw material of it well let's let's just simplify it whatever has ever you've ever seen anything grown so if you've seen a tree grow that's biomass if you see the leaves on the tree obviously grass grows

36:01biomass humans biomass every animal biomass bio means life so that means usually something that lives grows that's part of the the characteristics of life is that there's a growth you know cycle in it so anything that had a growth cycle and has like mass that's biomass that's got so you can convert any category of this stuff to pretty much biochar exactly yes okay so define biochar just as a bio biochar is when you take the biomass you put it in an oxygen-free or very very low oxygen environment but you heat it above a certain temperature to wear all those volatiles that I just spoke about exit and after they exit you're left with just the carbon matrix that actually comprise that thing with the mineral compounds so like like I've been doing because we at the

37:09elementals a friend of ours brought up all these oysters and so we are all just like you know eat oysters and hang it out and so we had all these oyster shells well I can take those oyster shells that are mainly calcium I can cook them you know I can pyrolyze them pyrolyze is the technical term for cooking in a low oxygen environment okay and when I cook above you know 1600 degrees below 200 like between 1600 and 2000 degrees is like the sweet spot at 1800 degrees all of your toxic or noxious volatiles they get spent meaning they burn up like they don't they don't re-enter the atmosphere they kind of transmute into the other dimension and never re-evalve of the mind they're actually they're translucent to heat okay got it that that's what fire does like I I live by the the the alchemical term I always forget how to say in Latin but the way the

38:12way it's translated is nature purified whole by fire and so that's what the alchemists were doing when they would pyrolyze this whole system was figured out by the alchemist you know we're told a thousand years ago but it's probably way before that they figured out okay in making the the stone the white stone the philosopher stone you first needed to purify the sample well you purified it by bringing it all the way down to its carbon core and bringing it down into its carbon core they call that the negrato phase and so when you were left with zero volatiles and you're just left with the carbon you know the gratoes black it was black you see my biocharmer I know I know but that's not hey it's negrato phase and negro phase exactly it's a you grow to its core exactly it's like there's so many you know parallels you bring it all the way to the core and then the alchemist would add the

39:18volatiles the purified elements that it wanted to bring it to the philosopher stone. Got it. So the pyrolyzation process is like those those oyster shells that are brought up those oyster shells you know we've all felt oyster shells in our hands like you could literally just crumble and I have a video on Instagram my little daughter with her little hand just crushing these oyster shells like there were nothing in her hand and it's because of that pyrolyzation process so what's left what's left is the mineral of calcium all the different sea minerals there's probably a bunch of sodiums and different things like that in there you know there's probably some precious metals in there there's always metals little gold chips and plume platinum chips and stuff like that and then the carbon and then the calcium and that's all that it's left so that particular biochar reduces down to calcium oxide and carbon and so I will use that just in spot treatments for the plants that need calcium. Got it okay so this is unpacking a whole new paradigm because again

40:23a big hurdle for myself in kind of this you know I call it this project I'm working on called Hollywood Home Stead where it's essentially me living literally in Hollywood and being like I got to get out of here and figure out how to home state or something you know I have to figure out how if the government decides it wants to act out I don't it doesn't have to affect me. Right. And that started on the journey I guess we're talking six years ago for me was about 10 or 11 years ago but it really kicked into gear at the top of COVID and what I learned in obtaining land in the mountains not too far from where your family is from is it's really it's a lot to wrangle it's not like you just open the app and say like fruit this season there's a lot of there's a lot to learn it was a big learning curve for me in particular so what I found to be helpful in connecting with you

41:28is simply learning that two separate desires of mine really three separate desires of mine could really come into solution in one concept that is the concept of biochar number one I always say I want to know that if I'm eating my food eating healthy I'm actually eating healthy and not eating a depleted version of a healthy idea of a fruit or vegetable and I learned that even if you're eating like the healthiest you could possibly eat it's still probably like 25% of the nutrients or maybe less well looks at healthiest that's the thing that's what we were talking about confluence is that things can look really healthy like you could see an influencer on Instagram you're like man they're they're so healthy because they look fit right and then you then they die like the next months right whatever you know so so a lot of our plants are like that they look because you can throw nitrogen at anything it acts like a steroids in the plant kingdom and it and it grows super

42:31fast but it has no resilience to blight it doesn't have resilience to all the different things it's like it's that whole thing I was bringing up earlier about the adolescents like what we have is adolescent soil like adolescents you get you have tremendous growth during adolescents but you also had the volatility and not knowing your head from your butt exactly so we saw like I laugh because I have friends that I I kind of burst their bubbles every once in a while because they just don't have the the range of experience I have when it comes to plants and stuff like that and they're like oh I really like this fruit and I buy it organic from here I'm like there's no such thing as that fruit as organic yeah especially if it's a GMO fruit from the rip right and I and I'll explain to them I'm like look I I lived in the region where that was

43:32grown and shipped out like I'm letting you know there are these little flies that get into it the second it starts to grow so what the companies have to do is they have to spray it with x y and z to make sure that those little bugs don't get in there so that they don't nest so by the time you get it in public or wherever you don't you don't have you know this this rotted piece of fruit it's how they could claim it's organic but I'm letting you know there's no such thing that fruit doesn't doesn't exist in nature and so it it exists right there in front of you like you have it I'm not saying it that that you're imagining it but that fruit is a is a frankenstein thing that you're being lied to about the inputs that went into it like almost the entire pineapple industry is that so there when you see would you see the fields of the way pineapple the way dole pineapple

44:33and del Monte pineapple grow there are pineapples like in Costa Rica Central America and Hawaii you would never eat a pineapple ever again oh really don't say that I kind of like pineapples I love pineapple and I grew I endeavor to grow it because your name ain't del Monte it didn't work dude what they do is just disgusting it's what they're doing in the United States with a corn like pretty much and this gets to the whole core of what we're talking about the industrialization of agriculture because we've centralized the growers right these growers just plant whatever they can on top of what they just planted like in Iowa they're like we plant corn on top of our corn like everybody's doing the same thing whether it's a pineapple or it's corn or it's wheat they're over planting these areas because they just throw a ton of chemical at these things

45:39and they're just like okay grow and they do grow but by the time you get it it's like that super model she looks fine but she's just a mental health problems you're fine you better than into health problems dealing with her she has that crazy hot yeah exactly it comes back before it started real hot and it turned real crazy well dude I mean talk to the people I know like just like my absolute ignorance around the world of corn it wasn't until I was training you know a team in Mexico like god that was 2006 2007 and they were telling me that they had 90 varieties of corn in 2006 and 2007 maize you know in Mexico maize yeah now there's five in Mexico you mean yes oh I thought I thought it was one yellow corn or the colorful corn you see at the pumpkin patch dude and so that's what I'm saying is like the these companies the industrialization

46:41of food is really taking away a variety it's taking away quality and it's built to fail because of the bottleneck of the petrochemical it's literally like almost all big industries built to fail with this one government government always gets bigger when these big industries fail and that's the only job of government is to grow like me people don't understand that like you look at the historical precedence is of governments of of the of the of the mind control the the people when we give up our I guess you would say our ability to take responsibility and we say hey you over there you're responsible for me you can grow my food you can do this you can do that when that occurs at the scale that it's occurring at you get you get companies like Del Monte you get companies like all these other ones like bearer and the rest of it that they just they're they're really like

47:45okay we have this demand the way we can make x profit with this amount of demand is we rig these markets we totally you know yeah strong energy away from that and then we just plant corn on top of corn you know then we do we do the thing that's not going to lead to you having nutrients right it's like you you can decide whether the the audience can decide whether it's greed or purposeful denutrientization but either way it leads to no nutrients and a singular bottleneck in in the pipeline so okay so like all like the picture that's being clarified in my mind of how this all looks and why I really think that this is helpful that you're explaining kind of some of the like nerdier aspects of like the chemistry behind it all it's because I think that these subtle shifts in just chemical

48:46understanding start to unlock like okay there are other options like if I like I do have I do have other tools to kind of like help close the gap between what used to be and what's about to be so do you find that like the biggest urgency like what do you see what's the imminent threat that's have like if if I'm listening to somebody just tuned in and like okay I've been hearing you guys up to now I hear what you're saying but like why should I be worried what would you tell them well the usually our food is anywhere from six months to a year old so what that means is it traveled a long way to get you and so I grew up in South Florida as we already brought up and it was very it was very I got I got I got kind of trained in all this already like I know how the Justin time system worked I team meaning by the time it gets you is just in time before it's boils

49:48just in time and in the United States that's been reduced from three days down to 42 hours oh wow so what that means is in 42 hours if it's not stocked on on the shelves is ain't there by the way that's how quick it is whoa whoa okay back up for a second because maybe I'm misunderstanding the Justin time when you say it within 42 hours if it's not stocked on the shelf it ain't there it ain't there what do you mean by that you have 42 hours oh I see I see because because nobody can so how how I need to say this in a in a very metered way storage cost a lot of money right so like you're a data guy you're storing tons of data with these big files you could you could inform everybody what it costs to store that if you're storing that in the cloud it costs X amount well when you start storing hard goods that costs a ton

50:53of money right so the Justin the Justin time system which is built on petroleum by the way right that whole petroleum based Justin time system is because the the the storefront the Amazon whoever is supplying the thing to you is trying not to have it in their storehouses sitting that long okay god it got you okay now this makes a lot of sense because I have a good friend I grew up with who became the manager of a large grocery store like he managed maybe five or six branches of a really large chain and one of his co-managers is the is the manager of the chain that's actually near where we live and I've asked both of them separately if if the trucks were to not come like if something were to happen and the truck your delivery trucks couldn't come how long would it take

51:54you to run out of food and they all say 24 to 36 hours yeah yeah that's that's beating the 42-hour estimate that I've read about when I was in college in the mid 90s I graduated the finance degree with a minor in hospitality business I was being groomed to be like a country club manager and be somewhat like connected to the food industry right in my business college was the Eli Brode business college which was like the number three business college in the United States for food replacement so they knew in the mid 90s this is like 30 years ago they knew in the mid 90s that food was being replaced they literally called it food replacement but now the way they defined it was real real food was fresh and it was made at home or grown at home 80% by the time I graduated

52:54Michigan State in 1998 80% of all the graduates of the Eli Brode business college were going into the field of food replacement all my cohorts all of all the people I graduated with that I walked across wore the Saturnat with have your football team probably no they didn't graduate you're talking about it in graduate school I was a kicker I wasn't like a real football player like you know I rarely saw those guys ever off the field or you know like in class I should say sure so and by the time you graduate in college like I was in 400 500 level class and so I was like a lot like doing internships and stuff like that I had very little classroom time and I was getting to see the real Monty and like talking to the president of God I always wanted to call it

53:55hot I think it was high it I think I met the president of the the corporation I forget the the hotel corporation that that owns the high it's the Marriott Corporation and what were they talking like what were we talking about we're talking about the food replacement side of things that's wild because I'm like I'm hearing you and I'm going I've never even heard those two words put together but you had like 80% of your graduating class doing it when I was like just waltzing into freshman year of high school yeah that was 1998 I graduated 1998 and they were literally like okay this is the food replacement sector of of hospitality business was the largest growing sector so chainy brothers all these massive companies that literally pre-make food and I even know restaurants like I dated a restaurant tour that lived in she she was from Belgium

54:55she was trained in France she opened a restaurant in Belgium and the only way she couldn't even afford to stay in business was one her parents owned the property so she wasn't paying rent and two she was doing her own food replacement meaning she could not cook fresh she had to pre-make everything her entire menu was essentially pre-made and on the night like when the orders were coming in take it out of the freezer reheat take it out of the freezer reheat take it out of the freezer reheat oh and it was absolutely all of it like she she would saute like a sauce you know or whatever but she was a one woman band other than when I was her sous chef but I was only her sous chef because I was helping her pre-make the lasagna's or pre-make the stews and all this type of stuff and it reminded me of college because he's like oh yeah I did a sous chef for you know a summer in this particular

55:57restaurant I loved it like I love that team atmosphere and so I I thought it was really cool and I loved to cook so I was like okay this is this is a neat thing but she in her own little way was doing meal replacement yeah wow and that's at a small individual level so and she could only make she only made this much profit bro this much so she did buy she did buy very good like she didn't skimp on the actual food cost side of things but the only way she could turn her profit and by the way she didn't had to pay rent because her parents own the building the only way she could turn her profit was because she pre-made most of the food and so that allowed her on nights of service to only have one or two people that she had to pay but she was acting as a sous chef as her own sous chef yeah there's not a restaurant I was talking to my wife about this the other day

56:58I said like with what we're going to see in the next six months is we're going to see either restaurants double their prices or go out of business because the food replacement world is going to be the first one to show the real numbers they're going to be like either that or they're going to be fudging what they're actually putting into the food yeah you know like everybody gets the same everybody gets the same artichoke dip no matter where you are they all buy it from chaining brothers and it's it's probably made in this factory who knows what those artichokes made ten years ago the artichoke came from an underground lab somewhere so you're bringing up a good point because the restaurant industry obviously the grocery store industry these are two different aspects of our food that we really don't know where it comes from like it tastes good it cost me $15 plus tax and tip but we really generally don't ask questions and even if you do you're kind of

58:00like that portlandia skit like it's at local it's local like where was this chicken raises local it's a local it's like that's the stigma and even in Portland I'm sure they still be getting stuff from places that they don't really realize it comes from I wanted to circle back as something you said earlier because I got into it with this lady I very seldom get into it with anyone online but I got into it with this individual who is very very adamant that the non GMO label had rigorous testing and ensured that organic or maybe it was that the organic label was non GMO because as like I know you know that this is BS but like remind me of what the official narrative is is it that all GM all organic stuff is considered non GMO label that's what I think say the one more time I don't I don't actually know organic but from USDA standard just means it's of carbon which everything is right but that so like I think that it was the non GMO I forget how the argument was phrased

59:06I'd have to go back because it was a couple years ago but it was between myself and another content creator about how things that are labeled certified non GMO or certified organic are because of the standards that go into the testing and my whole premise is like why are we appealing to the same standards bodies that's allowed to us about every other standard in the past like don't you they can just say that they just say that it just make up some rules and say it and then it is and then you still want all it isn't because they said it isn't like no they just fake half these fruits and then they like decide not to spray like you know round up on the fake fruit you want to call that organic or non GMO it's a fake fruit doesn't have to put water or or some other chemicals on it's still like not an actual thing would you say fake do you mean hybridized I mean hybridized and I say fake so not so now there's like all new drop-down means on what fake I mean I mean hybridized or non original or non like I guess it's all organic

1:00:09since it's all growing as a natural thing or like a semi natural thing but what I'd like because you mentioned it earlier about the pineapples and people who swear that they're getting some product on the receiving end and you're like you have no clue how this is made on the on the developing end what have you like what could you if you could just rattle off the ones that are on the top of your head what are the most surprising fruits or veggies or crops in general that the average person just has no clue of their like pineapples is a great example because I would have just thought that somewhere in some tropical place some guys chopping out pineapples I never I don't really ever buy dole or Del Monte pineapples that much I never really thought about it even even they sell to you know they'll have their what they call their organic you know plot the the biggest thing the reason why the pineapples are so upsetting is you know I'm a soil maker

1:01:12and the way they harvest the pineapples is they take a bulldozer and they just scour they get the bulldozer blade underneath all the pineapples and they just scour the pull the they just take it all the way down to the red dirt and they just and so the areas in Costa Rica and southern Costa Rica is south of Perez, Eladon where they the where those big plantations are they've lost like 10 feet of top soil 10 feet that's a lot 10 feet it's huge like the what used to be like these big rolling hills and stuff like that are they're gone these grated flat parking lots and it's because they just hit it because you know pineapples they're spiky you know we've all had the pineapple top that spiky well the way they grow they grow in a plant that is spiky and when those get big it's kind of hard to pick them and they plant them so tight together that you just

1:02:17have a field of spikes so I'm sure it was like you know 60 or 70 years ago they figured out hey we don't we're not going to pay anybody to just go pick these things we're just going to bulldoze all the earth. So it's kind of an egregious harvesting process I mean it's functional but it's kind of also abusive at the same time. Yeah yeah the safety with heart-a-pom they're like oh heart-a-pom yummy well that heart-a-pom is literally the heart of a palm tree so they just cut down all the palm trees it take the heart out so literally I had my neighbor in Costa Rica she was you know she was crazy she was like like straight up part indigenous part she sounded all. Park Costa Rican and she went crazy her family committed her and I wanted to buy her property to add onto my farm it was like it was like maybe a quarter of an acre is this small piece of land but

1:03:23she had these beautiful old coconut palm trees it must have been like 40 or 50 years old they're beautiful and produce like the the best sweet you know coconut water now I was I was like I want that because that's the other side of my canal so I'll have both sides of the waterway and I want those coconuts right her family came over one just one afternoon for a barbecue cut down all of the coconut trees and all they took was the the little heart of palm a foot long dude out of these out of these coconut trees that were 40 years old that were producing thousands and thousands of good calories I I wanted to vomit because I could see from my deck I could see the tops of those palm trees in the past and then I heard them partying and stuff like that and I didn't really pay attention until the next morning I looked over there I couldn't see the tops of the

1:04:26palms and my heart just dropped and I went over there I cut through the forest and I was like they just cut those down just to eat the hearts of palm the whole tree and I was and I was just like the whole tree so don't don't worry about the coconuts don't don't worry about all that all that food the endless amount of food that palm trees give you let's let's just eat the heart of it sounds very can't what what would you call cannibalism in tree form I mean it was like it was like you know like a mortal combat finishing move for me it was synonymous to like self-bridge you know taking down the the home tree and avatar right exactly like I was like I was like you know not what you do like wow and and her family had no connection to the land in the in the 10 years that

1:05:28I was her neighbor her I never once saw her family ever over there the second she's out of there and she's committed they go there they rape the land and made it useless and then they come back to me asking me if I wanted to buy it and I was like no not not with that y'all just you should ask me that before y'all knock the tree down yeah and that just shows like the lack of like just the lack of awareness and just like just the other other side of the coin in terms of what we can do so so how does one apply biochar so because again I'm approaching this whole conversation understanding that I am going to have to personally get much more food sovereign not because I have to right now but because I kind of want to ahead of a dire situation so that I can be stress-free and also maybe of service and help to others but if I'm gonna like one of my goals I was talking to Chris Winters

1:06:34at Elementals and I'm like bro I've got this whole map vision it's like you're a part of it topper's gonna come Sabrina's gonna come I'm gonna make this hold it Sabrina's even mentioned the same thing like trust me I'm already 10 steps ahead of you I've got I've got the idea I've got the vision bro but I want to to create a energetic chemical and like functional thing that isn't the most daunting thing ever I don't need to run a grocery store I just want to provide food for my family and I've seen plenty of breakdowns I say you only honestly need like a good hot backyard to do that if you do it right so I know that my plan is to create like a crystal grid of the property itself and like set an contingent point and even Eileen has offered to help tune it in all these different like aspects of kind of setting the energy right then I want Chris Winters to help me find the the most ideal place to kind of like um electroculture electroculturically

1:07:39I'm using a fake wear right electroculturally amplify what we're doing we have tremendous amounts of running water on the property is all spring feed so what I want to do is create almost like a siphon system that feeds in from the northern part and feeds out from the southern part and uses the negative pressure of the like where's my camera the high low to create that suction that amplifies the momentum that's already kind of going from north to south because the property is a little lower on the cell it's about 3500 feet up because it's in the mountains but it's it's about probably like 3200 at the southern tip and about 35 and some change at the northern tip so there is a slight like elevation drop as you're going from north to south and what I really want to do is find how to best apply the biochar so it for someone who's starting out obviously they don't have to start out by making their own on scale at the same scale that you do but what

1:08:42like is a bag of it or a couple bags like how much do you need for like a quarter acre and eighth of an acre garden like talking to me about percentages and like investments and like on the on the personal level how can you begin to over or sorry replace the concept of conventional fertilizer and growing tools to the point of where a homesteader or a person who's doing their own personal garden can take their first step in feeling like they have some control over their own food sovereignty well food sovereignty really starts with understanding that the majority of your calories aren't going to come from vegetables oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh that sounds a little bit you know counterintuitive as being the guy telling you to like go and build build your soil but the first thing I would do if if if real food sovereignty is like your your bag is get chickens and start feeding your chickens the biochar because when the chickens poop

1:09:45that poop with the biochar in it that's the best fertilizer in the world okay and we say feed them the biochar like put it in their food or water yeah yeah yeah our biggest buyer of our biochar right now are different chicken farms because one it eliminates the smell of their poo the chickens get up to 15% bigger when the biochar and they get bigger faster they get up to full size anywhere from two to weeks two to three weeks earlier it's like so you did say it acts like a steroid well you said nitrogen kind of acts like a steroid well it doesn't act like a steroid it's like you know I've talked to Sabrina about this I've talked to Ilene Mekisik about this like imagine you without any without any chemicals or any anything intruded upon you like right now we live in a community where all the kids are unschooled nobody's vax and all this and all these little kids are

1:10:45brilliant you know so the essentially we're doing that for the chickens like when the chickens eat the biochar they're not getting they don't get vax they don't get antibiotics they're so healthy they don't need any of that stuff so they become like little super chickens super chicken feed so okay when you're feeding them what is that like a tablespoon and their meal it's usually anywhere from five to 10% of their feed is biochar yeah oh wow so ended it doesn't taste bad for the chicken no exactly inert like okay so you put in your food I've eaten it yeah does it is it recommended for a human to eat it will human grow 20 to 30 present big and question why I have six different doctors including Andy Kaufman and a few others that you might know that are actually testing it as a binder because whenever you go to a hospital if you go to a hospital and you're under toxic shock they're gonna give you something called activated carbon activated carbon is biochar

1:11:48okay got it yeah so they they give that to you because it because biochar or activated carbon has a net negative charge it absorbs everything with the net positive charge anything that's toxic in your GI tract or any animal's GI tract has a positive charge that's called a free radical free radicals reactive oxygen species they all have a net positive charge the the biochar hovers at all into the center of it and it has so much surface area it can neutralize it got it so so meaning you can drink it but do you recommend that people drink it or is it kind of still in the testing I can't make any recommendations to anybody I'll tell you what I do I make a toothpaste out of it because biochar is also an incredible cleaner even though it's black it's like activated charcoal in that way it is activated okay got it I like you mentioned but let's let's define terms activated charcoal is a misnomer okay because if it's charcoal it can't be activated

1:12:53like sovereign citizen exactly exactly so activated you can have activated carbon which is biochar or you can have charcoal which is unactivated carbon it's unactivated and it's a different charge got it so charcoal charcoal has a net positive charge so what it ends up doing is other than acting as something that builds body and soil and allows for good drainage it actually depletes the soil of of what what it is that you want to make it to the plants in terms of activated charcoal you mean no I said charcoal charcoal charcoal got it got it no activated carbon which is biochar has the opposite charge and so therefore it's distributing all the good things that the plant needs wow it's kind of we started this whole conversation off with polarity in that yeah just so people know I'm a professional polarity therapist polarity matters negative

1:14:00or positive matter biochar is negative that means it absorbs the positive charcoal is positive which means it absorbs the negative in nature just as a general rule of thumb you want to distribute the negative charge and you want to absorb positive charge okay this is clicking now because I kind of needed a bit of a recap to understand the connection at the electrical level so what you're what I'm essentially hearing from you is that the amount of use cases and application that a very highly concentrated carbon rich derivative of any biomass cooked pyrolyzed down to the raw carbon and it's completely negative ionic state can not only absorb all your free radicals but just be the baseline in any carbon based engine that's both human body

1:15:03or plant body to yeah okay to kind of like like what it like so carbon like every person's nutrient isn't carbon I guess what is the carbon so I understand the idea of sprinkled in the chicken feed but from like a plant or gardening standpoint the carbon is allowing water to retain in the ground the carbon is acting in the same way that otherwise fertilizer hydrocarbons are acting it's not acting as the same as in the same way it's giving it's doing what the fertilizer is trying to imitate so the fertilizer is imitating a bunch of things what the fertilizer the petrochemical fertilizer is imitating is nutrients it's imitating something that oh here's nutrients in the soil so now you may grow so it's just like if somebody takes you know like they do a non specific testosterone

1:16:11therapy and they don't actually do like the gene matched or whatever they might grow muscle but their body's gonna break down much faster and that type of thing that's what's happening with modern planets and then therefore that's what's happening with the modern body and diet you see like I bring this example up all the time where my parents were from in Fort Laardale Florida they filmed the the 1960s spring break movie like where the boys are at right and like my dad had this picture in our house and like his entire graduating class of guys had eight packs oh well yeah that was 60 that was 60 years ago man now they were getting by the way they they love their McDonald's yeah all right McDonald's had the peanut oil back then they love it wasn't like these people were trying to be organic or anything but they they grew up in in at a time where the ground still

1:17:15had some nutrient base and in my family his family my dad's family they had a victory garden after World War II where on a quarter acre and they grew lots of food at Black Gold biochar we turn wasted hardwood into the most powerful soil amendment on earth biochar is an ancient technology reborn created through high heat low oxygen pyrolysis it isn't charcoal it's a crystalline carbon that never breaks down staying in your soil permanently biochar is the most diamagnetic material we know of meaning it instantly structures water giving your soil coherent energized water that plants thrive on healthier soil stronger roots better yields natural resistance to pests our biochar is made from premium hardwoods oak hickory and maple sourced from omniscient menonite mills and burn clean and high temperature retort kilns no tannins no toxins just pure fixed carbon your garden will love top dress it mix it or start seedlings in it however you use it your

1:18:20soil gets richer every year visit black gold biochar dot com my stepmother always give her tons and tons of credit for my athletic career because in high school she owned a Thai restaurant she was wrong tiley and we grew leechina and longan and all these tropical fruits in our in our yard we were always composting we always had tomatoes and hot peppers and all that stuff from my garden from their garden in the backyard so it's been endemic in me and I was always eating fresh food like it wasn't pre-made I my entire high school career and my friends would come over and we would just crush because you were an athlete you know how it is like you're you're exercising you could just eat for me I hate like an entire large pizza and like and so snacks I like four plates as spaghetti yeah it's like for sure so so in that like like the the whole thing is is that the

1:19:26oh we moved from fresh food to replacement food that's full of all this chemical and it's all being grown in soil that is using essentially the the the allegory the analogy I'm trying to make here is it's using a synthetic steroid to get it to be the size and to look the way you've been conditioned to have it look got it I grow tomatoes and stuff like that in my garden cucumbers they don't look as pretty as the stuff in in certain stores but they got more nutrients in them but they got a ton more nutrients because of all of the bacteria because I have carbon in the soil and the bacteria are the alchemists that are actually going oh the plant needs this because the mycelium acts as like the information is actually and then the bacteria are like oh okay you know Fred over here needs this and they convert it so when you have the two of those together which they

1:20:29they guess what if there's no carbon in the soil they're not there that they need carbon as the medium to actually proliferate this is all make sense then it's not that's the way nature intended it the way we're doing it with the synthetic derivatives it's it's a it's a it's almost like a semi-lacrum it's a it's a Frankenstein it's like there's you know there's documentary called Franken food I mean that's that says it all like it it is food in the sense that you can eat it and have a and have a caloric intake but every like all the trainologists that we've been like you know rubbing elbows with they're all saying the same thing pretty much all the symptoms that people are having are coming from deficiencies they're all coming from some sort of nutrient deficiency the mom the mom's mom was you know malnourish so the mom has this structural

1:21:34deficiency because her mother was malnourished and then her kids have these structural deficiencies and might have a little more IQ and might just you know have allergies to everything in leaky gut it all stems from deficiencies deficiencies fat deficiencies calorie deficiencies carbon deficiencies are just deficiencies of all types it's mainly in nutrients got it so that's a mineral so so this is the thing the carbon is the is the condominium or the mansion for the bacteria that make the minerals that make all the different nutrients the enzymes all the things that biological things need to live that bacteria are making that you know you and I are friends with Dr. Mari Arse her whole thing is like microzyma microzyma well microzymas are more present

1:22:35in mediums that can house microorganisms like like living soil yeah yeah it does make sense and it also kind of it speaks to this kind of like uniformity sterilization thing you see I see it a lot more starkly in the health and with health care you know pharmaceutical conversation because you you know I had a somebody who I knew who's in the hospital not that long ago and I went to go visit them and I walk in to a building inside a room inside of a building inside of a building right like three layers removed before you're near the outdoors and then in there there's not a single organic thing there's not even a house plant there's not even a fake plant there's not even a picture of a plant it was just like I felt like I was in a computer main frame

1:23:37like it just looked like wires and synthetic everything they brought in food at the time I was there visiting and it was kind of like what is that it's wrapped in plastic it's like obviously what they call like beyond food not beyond food but what did you say it was like the new type of food you were learning that most of your college was going to major in yeah yes meal replacement food yeah not an actual meal and we've known this about hospitals for a while but it was it's underscored when you're just staring at it in the face but what I'm coming to understand is that in the agricultural industry it's kind of the same thing you go in these grocery stores and it's got like like plastic surgery versions of tomatoes and cucumbers and these uniform bananas that look all look identical and they look like you know they don't have no fruit in like I was my daughter was eating some orange the other day she had a couple of them with I don't know where she got them

1:24:39she didn't pick them but it was some orange now we try to go for a seeded fruit you know we try to go organic we try to go healthy as we can but I've noticed a trend for a long time in that oranges just ain't orangey no more they ain't got no kind of citrus to them ain't got no kind of sour it's just a Kool-Aid packet with some like 3d printed paper that you can buy you solving your saliva but otherwise you're just eating like Kool-Aid orange like there's no citrus electrical sour nothing to it whatever orange this was was like the 3d printed version of that it was like way I couldn't even eat the orange and I realized this kid thinks that this is what an orange taste like right like I mean we've had better oranges in the past but like if she were to keep eating these and we just didn't pay that much of attention her baseline for what orange taste like would be this and it's like a whole entire it might as well be a 3d printed fruit it tastes like it peeled with very little effort you just ripped the skin you can almost just peel it

1:25:42in one go it was like not dripping my hands didn't have no orange residue on it it didn't have no pith or whatever it comes off of it you bite it there was no seeds and it was no barely any juice and it was 0.0% citrus like no sour no tart just Kool-Aid and it wasn't even that sweet it was just like where my I feel like I'm chewing on paper with some orange spray on it get this out of my mouth by realize we're far into this we're to the point where whatever that was was sold and people bought it and millions of people think that that's what orange taste like and I just happen to come across that's why I initially answered your question with if you really into starting the homesteading thing start with chickens because I'll tell you I had that same exact experience so with chicken I haven't like chicken in forever when I eat it in my body because of the poofa

1:26:43the poofa aspect and where my biology is at at the current moment if I eat anything with the poofa in it I get puffy like it gets super puffy and I don't get I don't feel good and my friend Adam who you met uh premier bear Adam mr. premier bear um the raw milk plug raw raw milk like all they he runs a real farm and they you know they have like I think they raised like 200 meat chickens for sale a year and so I bought his chicken and I remember you know I look I'm like okay I'll give it a whirl and I the first one I ate I was like do you have any more because I'm buying I'm buying 12 because when I ate it it was like I was eating a turkey I had hunted for I was just like it had flavor the joints were like strong like you like and I was just like and I felt vital oh wow and I was like I haven't had chicken I haven't had real chicken

1:27:49fine god knows how long yeah because in Costa Rica like the chicken that they like they used every chemical and every every cheap thing you could ever imagine down there and then like you know you go to any restaurant they're not using like you know real chickens free the free range chickens you know they're using they have they have to meet their food costs at 35 percent I am telling you that when I ate his chicken I was like oh okay this is what chicken is it let's taste like I bet you there's whole swaths of people yeah that don't even know what the real thing tastes like what when it comes to tomatoes and cucumbers when I lived in India India what was like a food desert you know because it's so it's so it's so polluted sure sure and so and there's so many people that they're just like we're just gonna throw some korean and call it the day

1:28:51right yeah so us green goes over there trying to eat some like salads and stuff was stupid yeah because you eat a cucumber there there's no nutrients in it and it tastes like the metal factory down the road you eat a water melon there tastes like the metal factory down the road everything had the metallic taste into it because the predominant thing that had been you know being deposited in in and around the place was metal and it's just like we are what we eat eats I love that saying I think are what we eat eats oh we are what we eat eat eats interesting so like if we're eating if we're eating GMO or hybrid that is being grown with standard practices of petro chemicals we are eating petro chemicals got it people don't understand that because the

1:29:53plant is eating the petro chemical and we're eating the plant we are eating the petro chemical because it's part of the plants we won't say DNA to not trigger any common mutual brandy it's part of the plants resonant field of energy at that point just like everything you know you are what you eat and you are what you eat eats that's a very that's a very it's a cool way to put it's a cool way to make people think about something because I think a lot of people have heard the phrase you are what you eat I don't think I've ever heard the phrase you are what you eat eats and I think that when I when when I hear you say that what comes to mind is this whole untapped landscape of I've never really considered what what I eat eats you see what I mean it's kind of it starts the actual okay well now I got to actually think about this again you know it gets

1:30:55those gears turning because most people are just most people just eat what they can afford and at you know within the context of what they can afford we're all being sold you know I grew up in the area where like a lean cuisine was considered like you know like the better option than like Mrs. Stofers like if you're going to like sit at the dinner at the TV and like eat dinner with like microwave to plastic pre-made food get the lean version it's got 20% less sodium in it and I was like that's healthy right surely somebody tested this right sure and we all I needed that much but we all basically had you know one of those so you know you you're ready to get that stuff back in the day you looking inside of those packets I was very fortunate that the my parents were they fed me hot meals the only time I ate like pre-packaged meals was pretty much when I was in high

1:31:55school during a lunchtime do you the you second Owens sentiment about the his IQ and the breast milk thing because we talked about that a little at elementals but I remember when I first heard him say that he's like I'm not a genius I just think my mom gave me like real milk and like cholesterol when I was a developing baby and didn't poison me as much as some other moms did so this is the result of that and so you're speaking like you're speaking as very highly grounded and intelligent individual but how much of that I mean nature and nurture about it out but I wonder if it has to do with the fact that your step mom was was hitting you with like I mean your chocolate sounds like it was full of the more nutritious options for food my mom what my parents weren't into like holistic alternative nutrition or anything but they definitely was like it's now on the lunch lunchables there's no like juicy juices and all that stuff we have very little frosted flakes and all that's it you had to eat the brand flakes the the healthy versions of everything even though

1:33:00that stuff's not that great but I wonder if some of what what sticks you out from the average bear was part of that childhood diet that just actually developed a larger your brain to truly develop whereas maybe somebody my brain didn't really truly develop until I found butter right before my 30th birthday oh really yeah I was a really angry young person and it was mainly because in my family my mother was a cardiac rehab nurse and she ran this doctor his name was doctor Dean Ornish who was famous around the world for teaching of people about a low fat diet so my mother's mantra was low fat and so we we had nothing but margarine I don't think I had I don't think I had any real fats and then I was like you know when I was in college I was just

1:34:01doing the college thing you know but whatever my meal plan affords me thing the AI and you know and then outside the meal plan thing we were all like you know rubbing our pennies together just to survive some windy fries for some 99 cents exactly yeah and so in the hubris of youth like I tried everything from being a vegetarian to being a frugal or to being you know in enlightened vegan like all those things but then I met this this woman that she turned me on to western price and I was like whoa like because I was really big into the bodies and body shapes and seeing the big jaws and I just had this rola dexa guys that I knew that had like the really like wide face and I was like yeah all those dudes were like uber athletes

1:35:02and in reading western price you know it was all about the good fats and the activator x and the good oils and stuff like that and dude I tell you what within a year of being in those circles and eating bone broth and eating you know all those good fats and then living on a farm I was living on a farm where like I I was literally you know butchering and then eating the animals I was butchering so I had like the full cycle going for the first time in my life I had that moment that people talk about where they're panillo blend you know the cow's of it's it popped like it literally did a pop oh wow and I shit you not I've been like 20 IQ points smarter since it seems to like but all that all that was calcified because one I didn't have I'd never had good collagen and I even eating my my stepmother stuff it was fresh in the sense that she cooked it and prepared it

1:36:04but she it wasn't like any of that stuff was organic and when when you look into like you know the cornish hands and the in all the all the different things that like they cooked a lot of like cornish hands and duck and stuff like that like it's not the best it's not the best thing to be eating but when you're like a 15 16 17 year old boy that's playing sports three sports it's like you're living high on the hog yeah for sure I was doing I was the same way so dude so I ate a lot of food that was prepared freshly but it wasn't the the good fats it wasn't the good things that would keep that would allow my brain to fully activate so the anger I felt a lot as a young man was I always knew the answer was right there I just couldn't access it so I would I would experience so much intellectual frustration because I could never have a long form thought

1:37:06it was almost like I could hear the echo of the answer but I couldn't access it I couldn't get it yeah it's almost like with some things on the tip of your tongue forever exactly and so you could imagine how infuriating that was and so literally I I remember I was eating I was drinking really good water I was showering and spring water I was I was eating animals that I helped raised and I butchered I was eating really good fats I had raw milk and like within nine nine months maybe it was a year I I felt like that thing popped and I remember telling my mate at the time I was just like oh my god I have access to my mind now like I can think like I can have a long form thought now and that had everything to do with like having the good fats in my system and I come to find out that your brain is by weight 75% cholesterol yeah I heard that

1:38:1075% and the rest of us like water yeah so the gray matter that everybody talks about that's in your gut and in your brain it's all cholesterol and so like literally I hadn't had good cholesterol most people came to cholesterol free that to me that's a big mind control paradigm you know what that is really controlling you want to hear the the real skinny of it no go ahead yeah the whole cholesterol thing is is because men that have high cholesterol have high sex drive oh god yeah when you find like when you look at the typical man that has like a really high sex drive yes I have cholesterol is mid mid two hundreds upwards in the three hundreds oh god it is like like bone and because guess why guess why your brain your brain here in the gray matter in your gut is like that what net is hyper saturated with cholesterol you have the capacity to hunt

1:39:19oh well yeah hunt for women and hunt for food that's what I'm talking about man if you can hunt if you can hunt you can hunt for the booty at the same time the same same same same same yeah little dinner so dude one of the funniest things that our mutual friend said when he was flying from New York back to was it Idaho he had he had a connecting flight where he had to fly down to Atlanta and he said the funniest thing this is oh and he goes he goes since when did black people not since winter black people not scared anymore yeah I remember and when you said that I fell out because I was like I was thinking that to myself too because when I was growing up all all the brothers man they all ate like first of all they didn't eat that much but when they did eat they were eating like they're eating like the chicken wings and they're eating like all

1:40:19like the things that would be considered high cholesterol right they're eating that stuff and man they were like aggressive yeah it's like the cholesterol in the 90s aggression kind of went hand in hand and dude now like I see these commercials where it's like this like they'll show these like chubby black eyes that have like no no base in their voice and they're and they're all they're like talking about you know oh I get my door dash and I will be like some vegan fair through door dash and I'm like oh my god they've neutered the black person they've neutered the black man I want I want my super fly from the 1970s with the big butterfly you know and I want a cane and I want I want my black people back because dude that you can neuter people through food and that's what they've been doing like it's it's it's so evident in my lifetime how much they've neutered

1:41:26men yeah and they've and they've mainly neutered men they've neutered the the sexual libido thing on so many different levels but one of the biggest things that they've done is they've done it through to make cholesterol the enemy yeah so it's funny you mentioned this because I've had this conversation with another buddy of mine who's I think eight years younger than me and him and I were both talking about how if you were to go into the average high school right now just walk into any city any random or high school and you just count all the senior boys he said if you were to line up all those senior boys compared to the seniors when he was in high school you know however many years ago that was and especially when I was in high school they're on average much more petite and much more like kind of almost like creamy looking baby type just like small framed in a general sense and

1:42:28if you were to go back to you like your dad's high school class everybody six back shredded up and probably I'm not saying everybody was a giant I'm just saying you know I'm kind of an anomaly right but my dad with my dad was the midget and he was six foot tall well there you go like and then I was the midget five foot nine I'm still am a midget but like now I'm like the average or whatever but I was jabbed I was five foot nine a hundred eighty five pounds as a senior in high school yeah I could bench you know three hundred and thirty pounds like I was shredded the the the like double your weight almost what we had to do as a as a freshman in high school it's just a standard public school this wasn't anything special we had to do twenty pull-ups in a hundred sit-ups to pass PE our our PE and we had to run a mile I think we had to run our

1:43:31mile in seven minutes seven minutes or less wow there is not a single not a single high school in the United States that has that requirement right now yeah at all and I would say probably only the top 10 percent of any given high school could actually do it and they were talking my PE teacher was pissed this was 1991 he was pissed because he remembered back in the 80s when Arnold Schwarzenegger was the the president fitness guy in 1984 you know after a terminator right you know Ronald Reagan appointed Arnold Schwarzenegger as the thing and he was saying oh you know just a few years ago you guys had to do 50 push-ups and you had to do you know 45 pull-ups and you had to do 200 sit-ups like wow so just in like six seven years they had dropped the standards and guess what in my PE class in 1991 there was only like I think there was only like ten of us boys in a

1:44:34clap in a class of 50 that could do it wow and you know there'd be like one of you or maybe the half all the athletes and nobody else could do it and dude Chris it was crazy because we were even competitive with each other doing that you were a warrant we were okay yeah exactly like all of us guys that could do it we were like looking at the other guy trying to beat him now you know now that would be the opposite like whatever it's my truth that I don't believe I don't want to do just exactly in all of us had a sex drive all of us wanted the girls like there was no confusion in any of that and guess what the girls liked the guys with the big arms in the in the buff chest and they liked the guys with the big quads I had I had all these these girlfriends of mine that were black that would come up to me and they would be like Gardner you got that black booty garden and they would be telling me that your bumblebee butt we could call you bumblebee bumblebee

1:45:36you're like I'll take you I'll take it that Keisha because you know that in that culture like if you didn't have a butt you didn't have a chance right at all yeah on either direction so for V that like just having some semblance of physical prowess that is all relating to the food man yeah it we this is this almost dovetails very similar to the conversation that had not that long ago we talked about circumcision in the whole like sex ed conversation and the the big anomaly we were highlighting is how the practice that creates scar tissue and restrict your penis from being the ultimate size that it would ever be is the same it's like it's psychologically creating this loop where you want to be bigger but like you can't even be the size you're going to be because you know cultural practices stime me that for a great percentage of

1:46:37boys and but this is like the food and kind of cholesterol version of that same kind of concept we all want to be this bigger stronger athletic more testosterone driven bricked up whatever dude and then you you find that your cultural practices make you the least possible version of that like you're going to be the small if you want to be bigger good luck because we're making you the smallest version of yourself based on these cultural things that are very abnormal to just a just a standard living in diet with with if nobody intervened at all from the medical side of things or from the agricultural side of things yeah I I use the term the social engineering has actually done all the genetic engineering you know and in that the the the social engineers popularize certain movements to give the demand away from the optimal genetics right yeah exactly

1:47:42especially how optimal genetics for you are is probably different than optimal genetics for Pfizer like like what what what tover or myself or anyone watching this for consider optimal genetics are very very different set of metrics than with Pfizer or Sonofi or Glasgow Smith Klein or Merck or whoever would consider as optimal genetics so I kind of look at this like I'm just big on pattern recognition and I'm always trying to explain to my just the people I'm communicating with listen I'm not an expert on everything but what I'm really good at is identifying patterns and the patterns that I see with just the amount of time I've spent looking at what's really going on in these various industries the patterns all say the same thing but they're all kind of speaking to this very much like stock homes it's like a cultural ideological stock home syndrome where the very things that we've taught to find the very things that we were taught to find endearing or the

1:48:43very things limiting our growth stymying our growth affecting our mental health and physical health like our libido our Dixie all these different things are being negatively impacted by all these things that are culturally considered the thing to do the norm why would you eat butter instead of margarine how about we go on this low fat diet or you have high blood pressure high cholesterol low sodium low sodium low sodium meanwhile I'm over here talking to this like body electrician like kind of like pH electrochemical specialist and he's like everybody's problem is that they have no sodium and no minerals and no electrolytes in their voltage to actually trigger them at a biolic processes to act right even if the nutrients were there because they tell you to take the sodium out of everything and the salts the salts carry the electricity so that your body can do all of the cellular functions and I'm like dang it like so they're really literally told Chris we were literally told that our taste buds were wrong we're told that yeah your body really did you know

1:49:47really once the salt and the fat and the sweet that goes all the way back to the carbon the fat is a hydrocarbon the sweet is a hydrocarbon hydrohydrate that's right and the salt is the bridge between the two hmm that's why salty sweet stuff tastes so good like ice cream and french fries absolutely you get that Wendy's little frosty oh man with the fries oh say less frosting and fries so good it'll fix all your problems but we're told that that's bad for us in a way it is bad because now all the ingredients are food replacement but back in the day when there was real chocolate and there was real cream in that chocolate shake and then that that wasn't coming from pasturized milk it was coming from fresh whole milk right and then you had the shake made from that and then the french fries were made from fries that were potatoes locally grown potatoes that were fried in

1:50:52peanut oil yeah that's that's a winning combo so now are you doing this inspiring me to get to my own personal french fry and ice cream creation phase of life where I plan on eating this every day it's a tofer said this was healthy baby so you can't tell me I can't have french fries in ice cream for them Jen Jen Jen's gonna gath me now I'm sure in the sweet it she's from Switzerland or sweet and I was gonna mix them so in Sweden they have the salty fish right yeah it's like super salty and I came and take a so salty but yes and and as a populace how healthy are they compared to North Americans away healthier on average Sweden is kind of this like they have a healthier approach to diet and they also have less of an assault against their less less commercialization it's kind of just like a it's industrialized but it's like a culture that doesn't geek out on industrialization like the Western culture does so I find that every time I'm there all the foods

1:51:54and meals are a lot more like thought after you know like you know it's one thing we're dealing with a chef or a foodie but over there that just seems to be much more of a norm normal family kind of concept where it's here it's like get a restaurant to do it all postmates to bring it to me or you know it's kind of a you're you're absolving your food choices and your cooking choices outside of what whether that's like a recipe you're following or some sort of like meal replacement concept it's just a different culture altogether in terms of food and they are healthier that's awesome that's awesome I saw that in Europe when I lived there I was just like things are more local and even when they go toward their grain products at the time they didn't allow glyphosate and oh by the way from a petrochemical perspective the the biggest chemical that's made in the world biggest meaning by volume is glyphosate and glyphosate glyphosate is

1:52:59you know all the roundup ready crops that are out there the roundup is a is a rebranding of this chemical called glyphosate so when we're talking about the pinch of the the straight of horror moves you know and you know there's no more urea coming from you know whatever middle eastern country that was coming from and now they have all these you know pretty much I think it's bear that owns I forget what grew bot monsanto I know it was bear by the bear yeah who's distributing those seeds well the most of those seeds are terminator seeds which mean you have to buy new seeds every year and all of them are desiccated with roundup all of them and don't they like spread to the neighboring farms and there's like a whole issue with cross yeah that's a whole another podcast and I don't really want to get into that aspect of it what I what I'm trying to do with people with food sovereignty is be like okay the only problem that we ever have in life

1:54:03really is by externalizing authority let's not externalize the our food as much as we have been well become become more responsible with your own food if you have a land like you do start simply with chickens and grow things that have high caloric density like potatoes like like like chickens you start with animals well I see I'm vegetarian already we eat eggs yeah so we eat raw milk and eggs and animal products we I just have been chicken in like 10 years maybe it's because I'd be eating like fake chicken if I was a real chicken it'd be different well it could be that but even as a vegetarian so you still need animals for your soil true yeah sure and we had already planned on getting chicken so that wasn't a that wasn't an issue I just came from a friend's house yesterday who has about 15 chickens and I'm thinking first of all when we get eggs we because we go to that friend's house today she has like tons of eggs so we get eggs from them and

1:55:07those eggs are way harder and like the kids love them better my wife love everybody loves them but the chickens are kind of just in like chill mode because they're it's not they're not farmed in an industrial sense they're just someone's personal chickens at a coop so they just kind of live in life and Roman and doing their thing and like if you could if chickens that makes perfect sense and that was them I was probably going to be one of the first buys that we did we you know I was talking to Permibair for a good 30 45 minutes about so if I want a milk cow like how which kind of you have like he was giving me all the frozen cons in the different type but what would you say is like a high caloric crops potatoes right potatoes are great you know root vegetables are usually they're a starch right more more carbohydrate and more carbohydrates than a hydrocarbine and they can actually store you want things that can store unless you know how to do canning well I don't

1:56:11I got to get into that too I tell people a lot of times like if you're going to get into growing a lot of food and this happened I saw this time and time again in Costa Rica you start growing all this food and then you have no way to process it you have no way to actually like you know make it away from an energy perspective how do I store these calories so I tell everybody right now go buy a hundred pounds of salt because unless you have salt you can't store things effectively refrigeration you'll see part of the thing that's going to happen with the with these you know data centers and the rollouts and the water usage and things like that and there are energy usage is you're going to have tons of rolling blackouts and in a rolling blackout situation unless you have a high efficiency you know chest freezer you won't have the capacity to store your calories all that well unless you have salt and underground salt exactly you have salt and you also have a root celler yeah

1:57:15so that's where you are where you are you could have a root celler right oh yeah that's that was one of the first things I was going to do is build a little root cellar like kind of in this cave there's a couple places that I think there might be some micro caves which might kind of already be natural root cellar but there's definitely a couple places we could bore or dig for them and my plan was to have like I've done a lot of mapping we haven't broken ground on anything we've done a ton of consultations and appraisals and measurements and all kinds of stuff like that and a place to store food unrefragurated was definitely high on my list of like infrastructure stuff after like tractor and like four side by side like the basics to just get around and do the minimum was the next phase of it was going to be okay now once we figure out how to grow this stuff you have to can it preserve it dehydrated or freeze it or store it just underground and where we are

1:58:18it's so high up and it's in the mountains the apple I should mountains that it wouldn't be I mean the winner anything through October to April it's like pretty much just laid on the ground it's going to be cold enough but in those summer months you know we would have it in a place where thermally it could be regulated where we could just go in there and it's pretty much cool temperatures doesn't matter how to have a to have a real root cellar is huge and another thing I tell people before you even start planting get to know your neighbors and know what they're growing so for example I was all going to get into bees and beehives and honey because in a pinch you can turn honey into an alcohol it's obviously a food but they show in depression area in depression era times in any country in the world this isn't just you know United States you need things to barter with an alcohol if you can make some sort of meat or you grow fruit on

1:59:20your property where you can actually convert that carbohydrates into an alcohol you will always have something that that you can barter with right well I was like oh we'll do honey well think was I found out within days of moving into this place that my neighbor has 40 boxes of bees he makes he that's what he does he he grows honey so for me to do that here is stupid because all the bees are just gonna go post up over there no it's not just that it's that he's doing that work for me I need to do something that he's not doing to benefit from all that fertilization we have to be reciprocal yeah so and I saw this time and time again in Central America is people would all grow the same thing so they had nothing to barter with and I'm like no no no no no you don't do that you find out who is doing what around you so around me I have you know I have I have a a donkey

2:00:23you know plantation I don't know what you would call it a donkey a ass farm an ass farm yeah I have honey being made and I have tons of cattle ranches so for me to raise cattle or do any of those things is just dumb what I should be doing is I should be growing the vegetables that my family likes and wants which I do I do the chickens and the biochar stuff here because that all works together and that helps build the soil will raise our own donkeys and turkeys here uh that way the calories are as local as they can get and then I'm growing a fruit growth of multiple different types of fruit trees for about the fruit and then also the conversion into alcohol if need be for fuel or for barter and we have a pond that this year I'm going to start to aerate and get the get the water to to the right quality so that I can actually grow croppy and have

2:01:27fish because none of my neighbors do that so given a pinch you you're you're never going to be an island unto yourself you're going to be a group of people that are going to be trying to survive exactly exactly and in that group of people if you have different things you're going to be much more resilient than if you're all doing the same thing yeah that's a great point I should actually find out what my I don't think my neighbors are growing much of anything now that I think about it but maybe maybe your one neighbor has like a blackberry like thicket that like is endless blackberry yeah good point then you can take you can take that off your list god yeah I want to do muskah die I love me so like potato wine makes a vodka obviously you can make fruit and just still into wine but what's another good high caloric high yield crop because I'm not that I'm thinking about this out loud I'm thinking like root vegetables like I don't I don't know your region all that well even though my family's from that from that I think it's a seven a that's what

2:02:31they said our zone is our growing even even with all that I'm learning what to actually plant I've been more animal intensive that's been my focus so I'm like for me it's just like the calories because my wife my wife has a condition where I have to throw a stake in her face every day so for me this could be a euphemistic stake or a standard cow stake a standard cow okay got it got clear upon the internet these days so for me ever since meeting her for 10 years I've been like how do I get stake in her face like that's that's been my focus now that we live in like stake rich land I can actually now really start to understand what we can do with our land other than that you know that that's been my primary focus so I'm not the most educated person with that I'm starting a podcast with mr. Permibair and it's called the fire soil podcast where he's the farmer like he's

2:03:33the guy that's been farming for 20 years in this type of region he's going to educate me on that when I'm going to educate him on the on the soil infrastructure side of things God fire the soil from the rocket mass heater until the mass that comes out of your rocket now that you've eaten it and it's processed two days later and it was so delicious you ate it twice we call it Gerch Chai around you Gerch Chai that's fine so well cool this has been a great discussion it's been right about the two hour mark yes sir yeah like I can think of so many derivative angles like one thing I won't I don't want to branch into it this maybe we'll dub tell back to this combo later but dub telling off of the work that Sabrina does and the other focus that I've spent in terms of like the Internet of bodies Internet of things side of the conversation do you see any aspect of the

2:04:35wireless sensor networks and the smart dust at in addition to the things like the hydrogels and whatever magneto ferritin or graphene or anything that might be in the atmospheric spraying that's affecting the soil maybe I guess maybe the fertilizer too but maybe that's I guess my question is is there any aspect of the bio digital convergence components that you see as this agricultural assault that you maybe haven't discussed so far today I see it as a sterilization okay got it and so for me that's why I really really impress upon people the reason why we want carbon is because carbon brings life and bacteria in particular their apartments for the bacteria that's what I mean the microbes are like like if you like the any terrainologist will tell you if you were to totally take the micro sanitize your body and like take all the microbes way you'd be dead

2:05:38you would just like you die stop function as a system yeah because that because it's a centripy it's like it's this caught it's this reciprocal thing that's going on where whether it's our GI track or GI track is it external to our organs or our skin the two largest organs the two they're like absolutely rife with bacteria microorganisms those microorganisms the same way in our soil like if our soil every time the microorganisms diminish because a lack of carbon specifically fix carbon what occurs then is that soil just becomes inert and then when it's a nerd it's going all the way back to that juvenile thing it's almost like before puberty I when a man is inert I would say it's not before puberty the I would say it's the to be specific

2:06:39it's the male adolescent from puberty to about age 17 God where it's able to buy far the most destructive zone of a male person's life the fact that any guy I mean now they're all neutered but like back when we were coming up like any of us that like came up and survived that period of time hallelujah yeah no right with no bumps on your junk and no deaths no broken bones I mean dude I was shot at a bunch of times I have friends of mine shot to death like you go up in the hardest trees of then even I did it's how violent violence like extreme violence you know in all of that like that's that adolescent like I the I call it the prince archetype it's the archetype of areas it's like the god of war and it's the god of war because it's entitled and it's always insulted yeah exactly well the earth is being insulted it's taking insults by all

2:07:47these things that you're talking about it's insulted it's literally like f you like like none of this the synthetic this synthetic paradigm that is trying to make it you know pass the point that it's not going to make it's it that insults the ground hmm I can see that I've gotten that general takeaway from several different discussions that I've had from people over the years of just our lack of treating it well the it's it's almost like the toy story concept when the when the toys aren't played with they kind of just get all restless and upset it's almost like when the land isn't properly sung to and spoken to and when it's got all this fake perfume coming out of the bag of airplanes and all this synthetic synthetic additions to its otherwise organic reality it starts to kind of get one of these like insult it starts to give off the fact that you're not

2:08:51respecting it's a energetic stasis and when when a person is not rejecting my energetic stasis it's called I get insulted I get offended and I'm like gong go elsewhere yeah and it's it's so it's so much hubris man it's literally like you know whoever whoever's master mining this level of synthetic overlay their hubris is total oh yeah it's like and that's and that's why I think it's like you know I've talked about this you know off air it's like it is a power and a principality it is that yeah you can tell the hubris alone is a dead giveaway but even beyond that it's just kind of this it's bigger than any greedy person

2:09:51oh yeah yeah no this is like this is this is from on high that's being down low like it's like hey this is the the height of arrogance and hubris and and it it fails it it doesn't not it does not succeed at what it wants to do and so part of what I've been commissioned and I fought it by the way like this isn't like something where I've always been like yay like I fought it and I had to be humbled like like I've been told like no no you're gonna do this and this because of this and this and the carbon thing is big because the carbon is what actually anchors the signaling from the heavens it anchors it into mother earth into the ground so from father sky to mother earth that's what it's doing it anchors that signal so it's it's all signal no noise all this all this haze of

2:10:56synth synthetics all that is is noise to the to the real world to the to the to the the non GMO the non hybridized the non you know franken stinian way of doing things and so that noise we can actually we can do a lot to cancel that noise and get all signal we just have to build the bridge between the two and we've been given we've been given everything to do that this is not a hard thing it's literally just converting what's already green outside into something that's black put it in the ground and you're good like things are gonna the start to be better it's good go ahead that what I forgot well I was gonna say that's a good solution that's that's like that's it's good to know that at least on the interpersonal level and I say this to a lot of people all the time I do

2:11:58present a lot of challenging I mean what we've talked about today is essentially like hey everything you've eaten is fake and it offers you very little to know new dreams not everything but most things and that can be a scary thought right especially if you haven't really grapple with this information what I find very encouraging in the silver lining is that even if there's no legislating this away or you know there's no petition we can sign that just makes glyphosate illegal tomorrow it doesn't matter if I'm just focusing on what I can do for myself or my family because as far as my body is concerned I make glyphosate illegal never mind what Donald Trump didn't want to do so to me that is an encouraging thing I had to at least communicate to people that I personally have graduated from the idea of saving America or this global kind of corporate salvation strategy or idea

2:13:02and I'm more about personal familial and small community salvation strategy and I'm not speaking I spiritually I'm just speaking dietary living wise like short term stuff and I don't carry such a giant doom and gloom fear about what the government's going to do because I just know that no matter what they do with these solutions I was told for discussing here this is something I can actually do in my willhouse I can actually go and learn from this guy how to take sticks and twigs and bark and trash for my own property and burn it real hot and pyrolyze it pyrolyze it to the point of it converting into something that I can use to invite the bacteria and therefore the nutrients back into what I grow and I don't need to worry about what's happening with the straight of her moves in order to do that because if you do start paying attention to what's happening with the straight of her moves what you'll find is that somebody somewhere is pushing a button or

2:14:03a series of buttons to make it extremely likely that that is going to create a problem for your food supply at the very least your fertilizers supply if not your entire gas production and everything down the chain and that's at this point I don't even need to beat around the bush to say that that's purposeful it's very purposeful it's very point like pertinent like that it's being done very targeted and so versus legislating and fighting and warning well we're trying to do here say listen pay attention to all that just don't get caught up in the doom and gloom with that can present because if you're spending that same amount of energy focusing on mineralizing your carbonizing and therefore mineralizing your own soil and then just starting with basic stuff chickens and a couple veggies and fruits you probably can get a lot further than you realize and I understand that for a person who's never grown or farmed that's a big stretch it's a big stretch for me I've never grown a farm to be on just like a little hobby thing here or there but it's a stretch

2:15:09that I've been repeating so much in my head that I'm finally at a place where I'm like I could do this I could do this we could do this you guys come on like I know it's scary but like we don't have to actually be scared we can actually do this and if we do this in community we got each other's back and then I don't have to grow what you're growing and you don't have to grow what he's growing because we can all grow it together and that and depending on when you air this Chris like a cool thing is is like any of us right now like so what you could do is you could audit your last grocery bill with the vegetables you bought and if you buy organic say organic bell peppers you're spending anywhere between three and four dollars per organic bell pepper if they're a good size you can go to your local farmers market right now and buy up plant for the same cost of what one bell pepper right cost in that plant if it's planted in biochar if it's put in good soil it's watered and all the rest of it that could yield a lot more peppers than one right and you can do

2:16:16that right now like depending on when this air so like if you guys are still hearing this in May or maybe early June every farmer market in the United States is open for business right now go get a couple starts just have a raised bed you can I started with pots like you don't have to like go out even go out into your yard just have you know some window that has sun and just start growing these things inside where you could control the environment and I'm telling you the investment for one bell pepper will give you a whole pepper plant and like when it comes to like a good tomato like a good like delicious tomato like most people don't even know what tomato tastes like at all because they don't never taste them that's real it's all fake tomatoes right they're all eating a beef steak slicer you know that's what they're called you don't get a slicer tomato get a different type of tomato that's an heirloom seed you get those heirloom seed tomatoes and

2:17:17you bite into it and you're like oh my god the flavor and now you're in the seed cycle where now you can start taking the seeds from all these different things save them for the next year and now you're in the perpetual abundance that nature will give you especially if you learn how to make your own biochar or you buy biochar or whatever whatever you're doing you get that you get that whole thing going in man it becomes such a massive saver I mean I think every year I spend between 50 and a hundred dollars on plants which is nothing nothing yeah is I going and then you know I look at our grocery bill you know during the winter and that's like you know half of one grocery bill that happens like two or three times a week right so like all of us are going to be touched by food costs none of us are going to be immune to that so unless you're like uber wealthy which I am not so I choose to do a workaround growing some food storing it getting into the habit because it might not be this

2:18:24year where things are like you know untenable but the way you and I know especially with your atlames of yoga you know you know world financing decimation thing going on the engineering is evidence that good calories are are going to become harder and harder and harder to come by right and and it's going to be I think it's going to sneak up on people I think that I think that in the same way that if you had a set everybody five years ago hey man you know grocery prices are like they're going up yeah yeah yeah yeah nothing's like what I was when I was a kid right but then COVID happens or let's just say six or seven years right and then COVID happens and the supply chain takes a little bit of a you know it rocks a little bit it doesn't break entirely but it you know gets broken in certain areas and sectors especially like automotive industry and stuff like that you can see how nobody was thinking four years ago as far as the automotive

2:19:31industry parts back up oh I need to like be worried about not being able to buy a car because some event some guys are going to eat a bet in China and get on a cruise ship in Seattle and now no cars are available like nobody would put that thought process through their head but yet and still people were dealing with an issue that snuck up on them if they were in the product some were close to needing a new car and I think that the same is going to happen with the food it's like six six years later we're like yeah the grocery store is more expensive but I mean I don't remember it being this much and you can pretty much always say that sentence but at some point the parabola just gets a bit more steep and then before you know it next year's steepness is so far steeper than the steepness between this year and last year and then a year or two of that and then all of a sudden it's like hey I got laid off or I have a thing or I have an injury or any out of

2:20:32flat tires I got a body of tire whatever random life thing happens and now you can't afford grocery now it's like but we don't we can't cover this like we can't afford to get our entire grocery list because half of this stuff is triple or twice that it used to cost you know and I'm seeing that happen in sectors outside of food already ask me why I got like a ton of hard drives laying around all different types and I because my general practice is that I don't really delete old projects I just archive everything that's about the change because I go to like I'm close to out of memory again let me go buy another dry the last time I bought I think it's like a 20 terabyte kind of archive drive I think the thing is like $200 that same drive right now at 600 and some change dollars the drives that I will spent $200 or $300 on in terms of the solid state SSDs those are like $1100 to $1,200 now so 4x the price in four months and I just learned why too

2:21:37that was my last pod that I just recorded was it something unrelated to the data center chewing it all up or is it it was it was related to Singapore in Gigi Gigi ping oh what given us the elevator picture on walk because I don't even I've only heard all the micron and all the you know sandists who people who make the chips in the that Singapore excuse me Taiwan I'm sorry I said I said the wrong country so in a lot of very educated circles it it's pretty much known that that Taiwan has already been annexed by China got it because Gigi ping he was the perfectorite of of Taiwan before he rose to power and so he had all these incredible deals and knew everybody at the top microposts his plants that was Scott god leave he did what Scott god leave with Pfizer but he did it with Taiwan I got so he literally has them all under his wing now

2:22:45and guess who they don't want to compete with yeah the next door neighbor with the biggest you know what on the block yeah the same next-door neighbor that has also limited their oil from Iran yeah same next door neighbor that is friendly with with a very small country that they find to be very to be a nuisance right exactly yeah so so so Taiwan for people who might not know Taiwan does produce a tremendous amount of the micro processors chips like ram not all but a lot of your electronics are manufactured in Taiwan they're assembled in China and the Chinese factories like pill pool parts from everywhere and put these devices together but a lot of the actual core components are made in like Taiwan or the Philippines or Cambodia or you know

2:23:47different places just kind of over generally in that area but Taiwan is it all there's has been some geopolitics that's a bit unusual about their relation with China and their relation with American capitalist product manufacturing in particular and I'm sitting here going it could be Xi Jinping it could be the AI data centers it could be both but the the general consensus that people at multiple electronic stores have told me is that all of the manufacturers have have ceased consumer facing contracts meaning you go and buy like a western digital hard drive and whoever's making the physical drive isn't making it to sell to western digital's consumer department anymore it's going straight to enterprise stuff or government stuff so there's no concern so I remember walking out of that micro center the other day and being like okay they want $1,200 for this four terabyte hard drive but I can go and buy four terabytes of Google for less than $12

2:24:53like it's it's obvious whether wanting people to store their information they don't want it you to have it they want it to be on the cloud or nowhere and they're making it so ludicrous that if you want to store it ten terabytes of information you're going to pay a thousand dollars to store it locally we're going to pay ten dollars a month forever to store it on Google server somewhere and so you could see the data to food analogy exactly it's exactly the same we're going to make it super cheap I mean you're going to be able to go get that quarter pounder for a quarter your entire life exactly you'll always get that but the lack of calorie is analogous or the lack of nutrient nutrition is an analogous to you not being able to store it good oh I see that's a great point I wasn't even thinking about it like that that's a great point it's also not in your control to modify right right so if something occurs outside that breaks

2:26:01the just in time system or breaks the flow in any way like let's say you know people start to coof a lot and then like it's like oh no I have AIDS let's wear a mask where's the toilet paper if that happens again guess what the nutrient balance is so like the nutrient deficit that people are already have when the convenience is here right that when the convenience is gone guess what happens to the nutrients it goes way down it's like way it's like a bad situation gets made worse really quickly because if you're eating like 10 calories a day 10 functional calories a day in a cheap but available meal and you could be eating a hundred calories a day in a more expensive but also available meal what happens when that meal availability both options disappears right your 10 calories is

2:27:02gone and ability to get 10 times 10 is gone and good luck affording the hundred calorie meal you got it that's it that's it so like that's why I had this on my heart to talk to you today that's why I have to I have to bolt pretty soon here because you got to know yeah you got to I really want people to understand that this is no longer theory this isn't what you've been educating people with with just the overall like you that you're your tentacle map is just out of this world this is not theory this isn't this isn't like fear mage ring because we're not even coming from that space is just like start now start the habit now we're not saying like you have to have it now just start getting in the habit and just like they did in World War II where people had victory victory garden just start a victory garden and if your kids ask you victory from what to say victory for life you know whatever

2:28:06you start your victory garden now you start it small and you just get in the habit just get in the habit of watering something outside or planting something or tending to life because life begets life if you give to life life will give to you it's it's that simple that's a great way to end it if you give to life life will give to you and I agree with that statement and I also think that you don't need to be like a month santo level food production on a week no one not only do you never really need to be that scaled up because you know you know food is super abundant and it's good real food spoils pretty quickly so you actually want to either preserve or consume like pretty quickly but I like the the thing that's been described to me is if if angels and spirit guides and all the good positive ethereal things forces in life are giving us discernment and intuition

2:29:14and suggestions on warnings like harbingers so to speak they tend to do that at least in my experience the harbingers way more serious than it actually technically needs to be because if you're warning somebody and you're like hey in like 10 years you're probably kind of like want to maybe be an expert at this they're probably going to wait till you're nine and a half and be like okay what was that thing you said I need to do but if you're warning them hey get an extra hey do this hey do this enough of the internal nag develops until like okay let me start so that by the 10 year time you're actually up to speed on what it is you need to be up to speed on versus if no urgency was ever present in the warning so toppers not suggesting that this summer you're not going to have any options for food I'm not suggesting that I'm simply saying maybe by next summer or maybe by two or three summers from now or maybe never maybe well there will never be a time where you don't have options for food but all the many options you do have have a

2:30:17decreasing amount of nutrition in them so you can't even get healthy when you're trying what we're talking about are practical solutions to avoid either of the two scenarios that I just mentioned the infrastructure breaking down the just in time food delivery system breaking down or none of that breaking down but the nutritional value of it all breaking down beyond the lower threshold than it is now to the point where if you need to actually get healthy from something you're going to have to actually figure out how to get you some biochar and get some nutrition in your soil and actually start ingesting nutrients the way that they're supposed to be ingested because at this point you basically have to take matters in your own hands for you and your kids if you want your kids kids to have any nutrients in their genome at all. In another way to put it to just to like keep it light if people need it to be light is that I because I've been a foodie my entire life I've attracted other foodies in my life also and there hasn't been a single

2:31:22chef that I've met that a good chef that I've met that doesn't have an excellent garden they're not gardening because of some scarcity that might happen down the road they're gardening because they're a foodie because they want the best quality. Yeah which is another way to approach it that's a good point. And so like let's say the Strait of Hormones opens up Trump does his dealing thing and like we all get you know 10 bit coin in our in our you know C.I.C. what let's just say it all just like is flowers you know during the sorrow package finally arrives great even more now you have even more time to increase the quality yeah let's the what we're talking about isn't necessary quantity even though it might turn out to be a

2:32:23quantity deficit if things really go go sideways on us but let's let's get out of the quantitative way of thinking of it and get into the qualitative of like no I want my daughter to eat a real tomato I want her like my daughter now she is a food snob thank god she's like dad what is this catch up what are they what are they using this stuff literally literally and I'm like that her standards are up there that's good though that's good she can be all right in the future and a lot of kids will I think a lot of kids will especially when they're I mean I I mean I always are if you're listening to this and you haven't flipped off and you made it this far into the conversation that your kids is going to be all right because you are you you you are interested in the things that will help lay the ground to make them all right if they're not already grown and gone and with that that's a fantastic place to wrap it up tofer thank you so much

2:33:25for hanging out my pleasure I appreciate your insight in your wisdom and I appreciate your grounded approach to what could be a scary prognosis like a bleak outlook on the landscape of agriculture I think you bring fantastic points and I'll be sure to link below where people who are interested in your biochar can actually get that awesome or where they can connect directly with you but for everybody watching thank you so much for your time it's another installment of the six foot seven podcast where we try to look at the taller perspective on life and things and in today's episode we had a great time just discussing how to I feel like it will be like how to put the quality back in nutrition yes yeah nutrition quality versus quantity versus scarcity you know like maybe something in that game that's brilliant all right y'all have a good night tofer thanks again we'll talk soon awesome

2:34:36you I hope you enjoyed the podcast with Christopher Crutchfield the six seven podcast that man is a legend he will be coming out with the second part of his presentation that he presented at both confluence and the elemental's gathering the elemental's gathering is already you know the next one for 27 is already gaining some steam we've had quite a bit of recognition for what we were able to accomplish this year so I'm I'm really happy about that we're bringing the band back together Sabrina Wallace and Chris Crutchfield are traveling to Missouri I believe for

2:35:37a bare fest and bare fest is the mid I think it's the second or third weekend of October which is exciting this is my construction season this time of year so we are building the bathroom for a bare festival so that bathroom is five toilets three for women two for the men and four shower stalls both you know totally separated and we did it out of earth bags and a big reciprocal roof of the wood that we harvested from the property so lots of neat stuff that's going on with that that'll be a nice addition to the campgrounds here in Missouri so you guys should check it out if you can't come to the bare fest in mid October we will next May on Mother's Day be having the elemental's gathering again which is super exciting as for this particular podcast I wanted to have

2:36:40it just because the it's it's important not to get into overwhelm with the new terminology that's being used this podcast is important to put out after Sabrina's just I decided to do that just because of the feedback that we've been getting the feedback has been amazing where people are just now starting to understand but it's like that pioneering consciousness of understanding the tip of the spear of the tech that has been deployed you know the the notion that if like you put your cell phone in a fairytale cage there there's no surveillance is that's like you know from 40 years ago or 30 years ago there's we live in a soup a venn diagram of interference patterns in these interference patterns are imminently like they they they can be engineered to do a lot of

2:37:42different things that's the easiest way I can say it so what Sabrina and Chris are sharing is the language to define what you know essentially electronic smog warfare is and the reason why this is important at this particular day and age is because we're in the precipice of a fiat currency changeover this whole system has been deployed for the next currency system the next currency system where you're tied to the whole block and chain you know it uh it's Spanish they have that the really funny saying for you know marriage they say casado but casado also means bound together you know so we're all I should say we're all there is an effort that's going to be occurring

2:38:43where in the future our sign of nature which was our will in the past where we would actually use our signature is being deleted it's being overwritten by our biology and to me there's a lot of things out there that I see at least in the podcasting circuits of the return of essentially the seed war narrative from the bible what the seed war narrative does it from a biblical perspective is say that you you don't really have free will your your your tie to your blood and if you were born of something you know it doesn't matter you're like you're you're destined because of your blood that is doesn't really work all that well especially considering that the work of Jesus because Jesus

2:39:51is like you know it doesn't matter you know what what you come from like you you can bow to the greater authority and as long as you bow to the greater authority you know whatever your blood is doesn't matter and he told his disciples to to actually you know preach to the creatures like the word creatures used so that gives you something what the new currency system is doing is it's sort of reversing all that it's saying your will doesn't matter like you are actually locked into this this thing of your blood it's your biometrics that drives your ability to do commerce so I have ultimate faith in people like we're very innovative and we're very roach like in the sense that like you know you can't kill us like we just find a way to keep going on and on and on and I think God's will is for us to go on and on the whole thing with is like do you want to have like

2:40:56some semblance of say and what's going to occur it's all it's the change is scary like people get scared to change like most people will will choose consistency over all of their attributes so the big the big thing that's occurring is that change is here like in a very big way our environment is changing like it's ubiquitous it's in all facets of life the monetary system is is going to essentially mesh extremely well with this electronic warfare or smog system that they have out there and like anything the popularization I like to watch the trends of what's being popularized as somebody that played football and loves the x's and o's a football and everything

2:42:02like that I have to say it's quite sickening to see that pretty much every commercial everybody that produces content is is being sponsored by some sort of gambling casino or something you know and the way they frame things is so gross you know they're lying they don't care if you don't have a problem or not they just want your money I have very very intimate knowledge of this like my my thesis statement to graduate from finance college in in that Michigan state in 1998 was literally about the destruction of discretionary income in the Mississippi River Valley due to riverboat gambling now with a riverboat gambling scene in the mid 90s like people still had to travel

2:43:02and they had to get on a boat and they had to do all these things and it was just absolutely gutted the Midwest especially along the Mississippi like it showed no economic benefit like you'd have all these governors that were getting you know paid off from all these states like oh this will bring x amount of billions of dollars into the state no incorrect that's not what it does well now think about today the riverboat is your phone and like these people are the gambling is a hell of an addiction and I mean they they can bet in game now like all the different things that they can do this all like is very collie you go like this is all like in if you ever read the panichads or the the Vedas and you read the description of the collie you go the collie you go is the time on which everything is gamified the next currency is gamified off of your biometrics

2:44:06that's a tough one man to understand that so I've recommended this campy movie called rat race forever and it's not that great of a movie but the concept the spirit of it shows you that there's a few people that are in the know that are making bets on the participants of the race the people in the race don't know that they're being monitored at every they have no idea that they're being monitored and they have no idea that there's all these extra obstacles and things like that that are being added to the race as it goes from the side bets of the billionaires that are doing it so it's this beautiful example of what is about to happen if not happening already so I appreciate you know Sabrina's work as the pen ultimate work of like actually teaching people to do voluntary pyro a lot of pilot erection which is essentially like you you

2:45:13get the juice in your body running and all your hair stands up you give yourself the gooseies that is very very big deal to learn how to use your voice your throat I think there's something in consciousness with the dude movies where they talk of the power of the throat chakra the power of using your throat with intention you know the original dude movie from David Lynch you know they actually showed the machines concentrating their voice into sound waves that would shoot and exploit things and then you'd have the Benny Jeseritz and they're a whole thing with doing their weirding way in which they could manipulate people what I'm talking about specific to Sabrina's work is you could do that where you can concentrate your voice and use your voice in such a strong way where it clears your field this last year it's happened to me twice and I did not know what was

2:46:16occurring to me prior to actually talking to Sabrina about it so very excellent stuff I am I I'm gonna promote Chris and Sabrina as much as I can because they're really on the cutting edge of things and they're great people that's another thing like Chris contacted me years ago to learn about the earth earth bag building that I've been doing and so now that I'm building another earth bag building he's just like oh so that's another reason why I wanted to put this out as like a resonance for him as like a homing beacon so check him out check out Sabrina's work check out what we're doing I'm also on substack now we have a Patreon account the Patreon account is great because you don't have to deal with any commercials on the Patreon which is really cool man that you don't have to deal with any gambling commercials my goodness is it horrible listening to all that stuff so thank you again I appreciate your time and attention please do what you can to help me

2:47:21out and share the podcast I really think I'm putting out pertinent information in a way that will not you know be a detriment to a person there's like no shenanigans at all with it so thank you so much I'll see you guys next week