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I've been looking up things that people look up on the internet.

Like what people are searching just in trouble.

I was gonna say, usually that's how it works.

No, but what are the most popular searches? What are the searches that people are doing?

And I'll ask you, have you ever been in a room full of people laughing, talking, phones are buzzing?

And you still feel like you're the only one not actually there.

In some way, you're on airplane mode.

Ever felt that way?

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When the crowd is so many people.

Even when I'm surrounded by people.

Why do I feel lonely even when I'm surrounded by people?

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That's not what they're saying.

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Oh, yeah. I've been there.

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Right. I think everybody's been there at some point.

Like I've had that feeling.

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This is not my crowd.

This is not my scene.

Yeah, but did I remove myself?

But what people are saying isn't even that like not my crowd on my scene as much as it is.

I'm around all these people and yet I feel very alone.

Why is that?

You're not one of them.

I don't even know what that is.

That could be.

I mean, that really could be.

I don't know.

Are you so trapped in your own little world?

Isolated.

Comforting comfortable in your own isolation.

That you get lost in your own thoughts and your own feelings.

That's how you feel it.

You've done it to yourself.

I could see it many ways.

I know when I saw this, I thought.

I think it's loneliness from a lack of depth.

I don't think people really deeply connect anymore.

I think that everything is a performance, more or less.

I can see that.

And in a way like on social media, you know, or I don't want to say anything, something

that's really real, reveal myself, maybe my political values, my religious, my cult, whatever,

because I don't know how people are going to handle it.

Because we act like the social media is really.

Yes, yes.

Instead it's really just the fun house here.

Right.

Because back in the day, I feel like it was risky to kind of get some depth with somebody.

It took time.

You know what I mean?

And you got to know people.

You invest your time in someone.

The more and more you got to know them.

Right.

And the more and more common ground that you had.

So then you would feel more comfortable sharing certain things.

And now it's like, come walk into a party and go, I'm a Republican.

I mean, that's what people do on social media.

Yes.

And I think that, but I have things to say.

I think now these relationships are more curated than they are risky.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

And that.

You don't want to be canceled.

And I think, yes.

Yes.

And I think that that fear is what is leading people to like loneliness.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, I'm lonely.

I remember making a statement once on social media on Twitter and getting annihilated by people,

like nationally, like badly canceled.

Yeah.

And then a few years later, I was indicated.

And now, this past week, I've been vindicated yet again.

Really?

And it's a start.

But then we found out, this is before Elon took over X.

What they were doing was they were weighing social justice posts in every form.

You couldn't make fun of certain groups of people.

Uh-huh.

The only group of people you could make fun of were white dudes.

Everybody else, you can't touch.

And I wasn't making fun of anybody.

I was just making a point about certain people who have a narcissistic behavior,

and how it doesn't fit in the work that they do.

If you want to do that, go ahead and put it on Instagram.

If you want to do that, go ahead and put on your Facebook page.

Boy, you put it on X.

Now you are trying to show the world your boobs or your butt or whatever.

And you're a reporter?

To me, that was my point.

Yeah.

I don't even remember.

I don't even remember what you were talking about.

There was a certain reporter in sports media that did.

They took a picture of herself.

Well, somebody else took the picture of her.

Getting out of the pool in a bikini, boobs hanging out,

and basically setting up what a kid's call a thirst trap.

In other words, I want guys to just drool over this and like it.

But you're a reporter.

And if you want to put that on your Instagram,

where you have your own people, you could just curate to figure out who could follow you.

Yeah.

That's fine.

Yeah.

You want to put a vacation photo up.

That's fine.

Just, like an X or Twitter.

Now, you're trying to show the world something else about yourself.

That's not necessary, and I just pointed that out.

And I got annihilated for it.

Like what in one way?

You're a bigot, you're, you're a massage, you don't understand.

You're trying to tell women how they can glorify their bodies.

You know, you're the reason why the, you know,

women can't get ahead in the world.

by ESPN people all over the place.

Yeah, okay, I see what you're saying.

I don't, and all I was saying was like,

if you're that good at your job,

why do you need to put up a picture of you and your boobs?

Yeah.

Yeah.

What purpose did that serve?

Well, was it their own personal...

It was their own, yeah, it was their own Twitter,

but it's like, people use Twitter for reporting and news.

If you're in media, you use it to report things.

You're not using it as your own personal,

I mean, I guess you could.

Yeah, a lot of, I think that videos

don't usually do as well on Eric's,

and it's just a statement does.

Yes.

And I think videos are better for other platforms.

I think people are figuring that out.

I don't know, I don't get that invested in it.

I know what you mean, and it doesn't have an opinion

about it.

This is a half a decade ago.

Yeah, I don't think that that's not what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about like real connection with real people.

Why did people sit in the room?

You go to dinner with five people,

and people are passing around videos

that they saw that were funny,

but no one's really connecting.

And I think that's more when I'm talking about where people

aren't, that loneliness is, it's there, it's real.

And I think that it's more, because people go,

well, it's social media, everybody's on social media.

Yeah, it may be.

I think it's that we don't,

I think that the climate of the world,

people get nervous about having to connect.

I think that, or afraid to connect,

afraid to have an opinion.

Like, look, you just shared a story where he got,

he shared an opinion on social media

and came back on, you're pretty heavy.

I think people don't want to deal with that.

And I think the other thing is that it's just easier

to surface than to go deep.

Right.

And depth is where you get the gold.

Yes.

The limb is where you get the fruit.

Right.

That's where you know you could connect and trust

and engage with somebody.

Right.

Instead of this surface level, you know,

stuff that you see on social media all the time,

you know, like 400 people like this.

And it's a picture of you and your dog.

Yes.

Great.

It's nice.

You know about people, but do you know the people?

Right.

And I think that that human connection,

that real thing, that's what people are talking about,

the loneliness.

I think what you talked about was a fantastic example

as to why people aren't connecting.

I think it's a fantastic reason.

I saw another picture on social media yesterday.

And so it was the masters, I'm sorry, on Saturday.

It was the master's golf tournament

and everybody was celebrating a hole in one.

Everybody had their hands up

and there were no phones in sight.

Well, they can't have them at the gusset.

Right.

Right.

You can't do that in a gusset.

I think one of the guys has got a ton of rules.

You have to follow or they'll kick you out.

Somebody did get kicked out.

I'm sure they did.

Maybe a former champion on the first day.

Oh, really?

Had a phone.

And he didn't, and when asked about it,

he goes, I broke the rule.

But that's, but that's golf.

But the point is, though, is that like nobody had a phone.

Everyone was celebrating the moment.

Right.

Very different.

Not like when they're phones out,

I'm going to take this and see what happens.

They're very different.

No, they were actually in the moment.

Well, the problem is, yes.

And I think that like the example of five people

sitting at dinner, that's not connection.

That's everybody watching a group watching a movie.

It's one of this, when you're passing your phone around.

Hey, did you see this?

Hey, did you see this?

And it's funny, because I felt like I sort of connected

with my old college roommate.

I went to see him.

He was in town.

And we talked about our lives and our kids and our stuff.

And you felt like you got a picture of where he was at now.

And he got a picture of where I was at.

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That's the thing.

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why are you calling them?

Text.

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That's all I've ever done.

I like to hear people's voices.

I like to hear their reaction.

I like to say something and hear them laugh.

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Why is it when I would lose my shit?

And I would lose my shit?

It's a problem.

But when I see an athlete, and when a lot of us see an athlete,

lose their shit, or happy with it, they care.

That's a real thing.

He just cares more, and I'm like, that just doesn't seem right.

And I bring this up because I don't know anybody.

And I'll just probably, I don't know.

Did you see this?

I did not see this.

No.

Did you see this?

Anything in it.

But I want you to just listen if you are.

OK, there he goes.

He hit it.

That's him smashing his life after he hits a shot.

And in the shot, by the way, ended up in a sand trap.

And he kind of knew it.

Like, as soon as it took off, but listen.

Here he goes.

340 yards.

1, 2, and these rocks.

And I think he broke the driver.

And he goes right into the sand trap.

This was the frustrated Sergio.

He hits the ground.

That driver is done for the day.

So not only did he take it out on the tee box, but I think he got reprimanded too for

that.

I'm sure.

You're an Augusta man.

Yeah.

But in a way, I saw it.

I would, I get it.

You know, he's acting like every person who's ever played golf.

OK.

We have a friend.

Yeah.

Or had a friend.

Yep.

We had a friend?

Well, I mean, like, like, I don't know if you're still cool with this guy here.

I haven't talked to him in a long time.

Who was a sports writer?

And he would go off and then report about it on social media about how his golf game was

awful.

And just start cursing the clubs and yelling and screaming.

And I also heard from other people who worked in his industry who actually golfed at the

same courses, not knowing he was there.

And then hearing him from two holes away, they go, oh, I didn't know he was here.

And yet lobe a hold.

It was this dude.

I think you have a pretty good idea of what exactly you're talking about.

Yeah.

I'm cool with everybody.

Yeah.

I know.

So I mean, I just, we haven't talked about him.

So the point is covers the bills.

No, we don't need, you don't need to say, but the point is what the point is it's golf.

That's what happens.

But let's say that though in like in real life, because we shame it in real life, we celebrate

it in athletes in a way.

Like I will say, I think it's been set on the podcast.

I think maybe you have even a loo Allen would be a Brady did at the players on the side

line.

We're here.

Yes.

And I get it.

I know exactly.

All you're saying in that moment is show some more passion, be a bigger leader.

That's how we see leaders in that environment.

And that depends on what moment we're in and what our interest is in it.

Yes.

Yes.

Like, for example, Jason used to like get angry with teammates too, but everybody said

how he's all in for himself.

Well, why?

Well, because he had a consistent record of being a clown, but he couldn't win.

So when people looked at James, dude, if you're going to act like that, well, why don't you

put up some numbers first?

Why don't you act like a better player before you start going off on people?

You know, like right now, there's a, there's a, there's a little dissension in the Philadelphia

Eagles locker room and they just want a Super Bowl, not more than a year, just more than

a year ago.

Right.

Okay.

With a certain quarterback named Jalen Hertz.

If you're going to walk the walk, but lives, it's not like sports is the toy store

life.

So it's like, we want, we're invested in it because we all want to be, we all want to

win a Super Bowl.

When it's our personal lives and you're yelling at people that people are like, we're

in a small environment.

Is this guy going to go off?

Is he going to hit me?

Throw things?

You know, in a professional environment, I think it's two different environments, even

though they're both professional.

It's completely different environments.

That's a very, very good point.

But the end of the day, golf is just golf.

At the end of the day, work is like, oh, dude, you don't want to host a working environment.

And I think that it's a microcosm.

There are great things that you can learn from sports about life and, you know, how important

it is to kind of do the nitty gritty.

Like, I'll try to compare to my kid saying to me that he didn't like the job he had.

And he wants to go and record his music at the studio.

And I go, you got to think of it, like, working out, right?

The athlete may not want to work out, but he's got to work out to get to play on the

field.

Blake Griffin once said, who you see everywhere now for some reason, played in the NBA,

goes, you got to fall in love with the process of becoming great.

Yeah.

And it is a process.

And I think that those are the things, because I've been that guy that really lost their

shit in things that go sideways.

And it's embarrassing.

But I get it.

There's a lot of pressure at times.

And I don't know.

I think in athletes, we do kind of love it to a point, to where we don't love it.

Who was it, AB, was it an Antonio, who just took off his uniform and walked off the

field?

Yeah.

We're watching the bills.

And obviously, yeah, we got to go live to the metal lands here where Anton has completely

lost it.

Wasn't even a highlight.

No, Antonia Brown just, he just fucking walked off the field.

He took off his pads.

Yeah.

Wasn't that with Tampa?

Yeah.

It was with Tampa.

He was, he was playing the jets.

Yeah.

He just took off and he just walked out.

From once, it's not us.

Yeah.

And so my thing is, we don't actually hate anger.

I can tell you one where very similar to that just happened when I went skiing with

my son, who had only learned to ski this past winter and had ski three times.

And then I'm taking him to a mountain at the end of the season where the snow was mashed

potato.

It was how I would describe it.

You know, you would stick and sometimes you'd grab your skis.

Yeah.

It was warmer and it's melting.

Yeah.

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I hadn't bought him skis because I don't know if he's going to stick with the sport

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Right?

He enjoyed it.

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he had, he wanted to do something else.

And it happened to be very warm here.

So I get it.

So I rent him skis and we get up on the mountain and he falls a few times.

And I don't know that this was a part of it, but my nephew, who's eight, is on an elite

race team and he can ski backwards.

So Dylan is skiing backwards and trying to help my son and my son's being cool.

But something keeps his boot would pop out and then couldn't get back in the binding

and pop out and couldn't get back in the binding.

He was getting frustrated.

My brother was being really patient.

My brother said, I think there's something wrong with these bindings.

I said, okay, well, we'll go down and you know, no, let me just keep going, we just

keep going.

And then fell one more time and got up, did not throw anything.

Just left the skis, left the pole, continued to walk, goggles, helmet, just let them drop.

I think my brother's picking up another.

We all ski past him.

He's a quarter of the mountain now, it's down to the walk down.

It was kind of this thing and this one guy who was a friend of my brother just left.

He goes, this is so funny.

He goes, it's just so funny.

And I go, it's not.

I'm embarrassed, right?

But it wasn't a no-language, no-anything.

Just complete frustration with falling, take him down, get new skis, I couldn't keep

up with the kid.

So it was clearly the binding, right?

But I needed to kind of talk him into that stuff.

So I always think like we don't hate anger.

We hate when it's messy, inconvenient, and embarrasses us.

Right?

Yeah.

Or if it's somebody who reflects upon us, like my kid will reflect upon me or I would

reflect upon my parents.

I know I did really, I'm so competitive and pissed off and you know, I remember even a

basketball game and yelling on the sideline, it was like stupid and it was a basketball

game with adults and I'm at my dad's school and I'm fucking like, I remember a story

about a local pitcher who made it, made it to the big leagues and he's pitching locally

and it's all these scouts showing up and he has a bad, bad first inning.

Texas hat, Texas gloves, throws it, Texas cleats, throws him and one of the parents,

smart alec parents whose other kid is also there, looks at the scouts, I can deal with

that, huh?

So then my kid doesn't do that because yeah, your kid didn't throw 96 either.

Yeah.

In other words, we can put up with that, we can fix that part.

Well, that's the thing is like I think that one of the things, I think that takes Sergio

slam, right?

And then you kind of shut down emotionally after that.

You don't even want to talk about it.

I can even say I did the exact same thing when I got a speeding ticket recently.

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I mean, and my point wasn't, it wasn't even him.

He's doing his job.

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A couple weeks ago.

A couple weeks ago.

I actually legitimately just trained myself to don't touch the phone, just leave it alone.

Yes.

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But you're somebody, you can talk to about this stuff, and I think that it's something

that people need to explore more of, I really do.

We've never had more ways to feel good, and yet we feel worse.

We've never had more ways to be connected, and yet we're lonely.

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Happiness is a choice, Billy.

Yep.

I know it's hard to believe.

I think that's a choice.

You have to choose happiness, you have to just, it's not going to find you.

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That's good.

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And, uh, what's it like?

And that people would call up and whatever the topic was, but it was all relatable.

It was connection.

Yeah.

Here's poison.

It was connected.

Uh, serious XM.

You don't, you don't get that anyway.

You can't call a radio station and get on and talk.

Right.

And even with some podcasts, you can't.

Like, you know, we have a number, but, uh, I haven't missed, I missed the interaction.

I love, like, you know, last night, my wife and I, I'm sorry, Saturday night, my wife

and I are driving home.

And on three of sex and eight o'clock, they start experimenting with other shows.

They'll start playing other things that you normally wouldn't hear during the week.

And I go, yeah, because it's Saturday night and they experiment.

And you can hear people calling it and talking.

And it's like, yes, yes, real radio fun.

Yeah.

Right.

I, um, let me go and since you're, since you're bringing that up, I want to try.

Should we call people?

No.

I miss you.

No.

I'm trying to find this.

I just want to see something real quick.

Let's see if I can go.

Ma'am.

Is it?

Are you blinded now?

That's okay.

I'll be all right.

We got one second.

Uh, let's see.

I am, uh, I have the corporate phone app and I, I know there's messages in there.

It'll probably be our friend Vinnie.

But I get the, uh, I get all the time right here.

We go.

Let's see.

Here we go.

This is the cause you can make here.

What's up there, fucking Piero, speeder?

Next thing that you'll be this Jackie and fucking late at night and have been some girls.

Yeah, I've got a little bit of buzz going on, brother.

You go ahead and run down the highway, bro, sitting here watching the masters getting

splasters.

Yeah, you don't want it, man.

All right.

Cheers.

That one.

There's one guy who would not be allowed into Augusta.

Hey, motherfucker, I think you might be getting Saturday night at a little after 10.

What fuck you doing, me and Kim got a little competition, bro, and here when you're gonna

fucking pick up, you're gonna pick up for your little skating, buddy.

Or, uh, yeah, you don't have to pick up for me.

It's cool.

Yeah, we fucking with your phone, bro, it up me.

This is why Saturday nights are so experimented with in radio because of guys like this.

Anyway, that, uh, there's, there's other ones, I can read them, they're not, they're just

different things.

But I, I think that like that connection's gone and I think that also leads to happiness

for people.

Yes.

And I, yeah.

And there was something where you felt like, here's the other thing.

This is what I learned from radio.

And I, I was just talking to somebody the other day and they're kind of like, well, there's

transferable skills.

I, I didn't, uh, my way into this was very circumventual, but it was, it was, it was very

odd.

Hell.

You got a sponsorship exemption that they say in the, basically, and the amateur of the year

is Bill Moran.

I, uh, but there's transferable skills in that listening, yes.

And, and then, and then reflecting back or whatever, think about all the problems we saw,

we tried to solve for people over the years.

They would call us, right, and tell us their problems.

Tommy and you would try to, bro, you got to pop, bro, or we'd have some guy named Coach

Muley, who we remember who coach the Tampa Bay band, it's all their problems.

That was my favorite when Tommy left.

Who was the, it was, uh, buddy, Nick's was the general manager of the bill, and buddy

Nick's has a storied football, professional football career, he was a football lifer.

Yes.

He was a football lifer and deep from the south and Tommy would play, he was the guy

who discovered Terrell Owens.

Coach Muley, and I said to Tommy, you got a call because we're having buddy Nick's on.

So Tommy leaves the tent, goes sits in the stands and calls, and then, and, and right away,

he's going, hey, you know, I, I coach at the, uh, Alabama Tuscaloosa sort of something

to our other right?

And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember you, this buddy Nick's going, I remember you,

and Tommy starts taking a pretty misogynistic, he starts going on about, you know, all these

women they want to be out there and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and buddy, is he here

where I'm saying, yeah, yeah, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

And so like, I think we offended buddy, or he got uncomfortable, you know, the PR guy

who's usually a stick in the mud actually thought it was pretty funny.

It was funny.

Because he was trying to like, he was trying to build up buddy's image as a, as a fun guy.

Yes.

Instead of being like an old Southern stick in the mud.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Whatever.

Yeah.

Um, but I do, I think we're not unhappy, I think we're overstimulated, you get bored,

you reach for your phone.

This week, your assignment this week is to find people, yes, go find people, go connect

with somebody, connect with them and do it in a good way, not like, hey, baby, hi, baby,

I think my A is going to fit in your B, like, you fit together like a key of furniture.

Maybe there'll be one screw left over, I don't know, no idea, we're like, for Dan

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