Bish & Brown: 2026 NFL Draft Trade Buzz - Detroit Lions Podcast

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What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Bishoff in Brown,

right here on the Detroit Lions podcast. He's Scott Bishoff. I'm Russ Brown. We are back

after a, oops, didn't mean to hit that light, but we are back after a long week here doing the

NFL draft stuff, but Scott, my man, how are you? I'm good. How are you doing? I'm good. We're good.

I did a little solo thing on here, not for Detroit Lions podcast, for something completely different.

Draft related, and I feel like I screwed everything up. So, if weird things start happening with

screen, my apologies, but... You shit the bed again, buddy. Yeah. Yeah. Per, you know,

par for the course. It's per usual around here. That's what I do. But look, we're a week away

from the NFL draft. So not much has really changed outside of, you know, potential rumors that are

kind of hitting the rumor mill. Obviously, that time of the year where smoke screens are

player in a way, and we all know that. But there's a lot of rumors, a lot of conversations being

had, and I thought it would be good for us to just kind of, I don't want to say clear the year

air, because we're not necessarily, you know, insiders by any means. Sure, we have information

that gets sent our way from time to time, but we're not insiders or anything like that. We're

just reading the tea leaves, and I would like to just kind of dive into those tea leaves a little

bit and see where it takes us. And if we maybe potentially set the table for the Lions with the

17th overall pick, because I want to be honest with people, we've talked about the offensive

tackles. We've talked about the defensive events. We did the in-depth, you know, day two, day three

stuff last week with, you know, seven or eight players apiece, and we had a blast doing that. But

at this point, I feel like the Hayes starting to get into the barn and being a week out,

we're just kind of rinsing it. Rinsing and repeating here. So I think we just get into some of the

draft rumors. We set the table for the Lions. We'll talk about a potential prospect that they'd

been heavily linked to. But just NFL draft rumors, the biggest one is six and 12. The sixth pick is

the Cleveland Browns. The 12 pick is the Dallas Cowboys. Over the last two days or so, there's

been a lot of national media from Dane Bruegler to Todd McShay to Mel Kuiper. Everybody seems to be

in in this mindset of Dallas moving from 12 to six, trading with Cleveland. And that would essentially

put Dallas and the driver seat to take either Caleb Downe, Sonny Stiles, maybe it's Rubin Bane,

maybe it's Jeremiah Love, or who knows, maybe it's Carl Tate, but it seems like they're destined to

move up and take a defensive player to help them. And I think Cleveland's very intriguing because

Cleveland couldn't move from six to 12 and still be in the driver seat to take an offensive tackle.

It could be Kaden Proctor, could be Monroe Freeling, could be Spencer Fano, who everybody seems to

think is athletic enough to play just about anywhere. But I think it's really interesting with some

of the rumors and I'll have some offensive tackle stuff to follow this. But I wanted to turn it over

to you as I always do with kind of the first topic of thought process. What do you make of these

rumors? Do you think there's any truth to it? And ultimately, what do you think could potentially

happen? I know it's a guessing game and I know you're going to tell me I'm an idiot. Don't ask that

question. But no, it's good because I mean, there is that that thing's been out there for

I heard it, you know, like a week and a half, two weeks ago that Dallas was looking to move up.

But the question I have is I don't know why they'd only have to go to six.

I mean, I understand it if Dallas really wants sunny styles and he's available at six.

Totally get it. But is there a world in which they have to go up past the giants because maybe they

and the giants covet the same player. Giants are not going to do business with Dallas.

So I don't know. I mean, I think there is a little bit of that out there that

you know, I know the giants are are supposed to be digging Caleb Downs' game right now.

It seems like maybe five is where Downs is going to go and I know I can feel the eyes rolling

around out there just what about positional value? I don't know that it matters so much in this

year's draft. Yeah. Just take really good players, right? But so if we just if we operate like

styles is available at six, then I think it's it is very reasonable to think that Dallas could make

that move. But what's Arizona doing? So I'm looking at this like what what why would Arizona not

potentially take sunny styles themselves if he's this super safe prospect with you know a high

floor, high ceiling, whatever it is, whatever you want to call it. I mean, I know they're two very

different things, but but it sounds like people the teams are considering styles as one of

the safest you know prospects in this entire draft along with Caleb Downs. So that's that's for me

is like I'm trying to figure out where Reese ends up going. I know I've mentioned three players now

in about 30 seconds. Yeah. No, I don't know like the smoke screen going on in my brain like they're

all sort of tied together. Yeah. Do you believe Bailey's going to go at pick two? Do you really

believe the jets are going to end up doing that? I mean, yes, I can see it. And I only say that

because his ability as a pass rusher is certainly intriguing. And I think if you're looking for a guy

that could impact right away, David Bailey makes a lot of sense. I don't know if our Val Reese is

going to make that impact the way David Bailey does. But at the same time, we know Aaron Glenn and

we know what he values and getting guys that want to play the run on a consistent level. That's

a little bit more of his MO. I don't know if that's necessarily David Bailey. I mean, we've talked

about David Bailey in great detail on this show. I have my concerns as a run defender with David

Bailey. That's why he's my he's my 18th ranked player. He got a late first early second round

grade on my board. But that's just me specifically. I know obviously NFL teams would probably view

him as a top five talent. And it seems like the national media does as well. But I have, you know,

obviously a little bit of a conservative approach there. But I think David Bailey would make some

sense. And I think if they are looking for that spark plug, I think he can be that guy. But if it's

been our Val Reese this whole time, what made them change to David Bailey like that? I mean,

because nothing has come up with our Val Reese. You know what I'm saying? Like that. I think it's

that he's a bit of a project who requires some project like, like, I don't want to use the same

word because then no, you go for it. But that's it. Like as a pass rusher is is Reese a player who

you're going to put as an all time, you know, a full time pass rusher. If you're the Jets and

the answer has to be a definitive no. Right. So and I like him as an off ball backer. So like,

yeah, I don't know how you take a Swiss army knife kind of off ball linebacker blitzer. Yeah.

A guy who can do a variety of things. But is he, is he going to line up as a defensive end

and bully teams, you know, bully an offensive tackle and set the edge for you? I don't know

that Reese is going to do that. So I haven't necessarily bought into all that the whole time.

I just haven't. But that's a, you know, that's probably a me problem more than it is anything else.

The reality is is that unless there's a trade, the Jets have to make a pick. They've got to take

someone. So the player who probably fits best for right now, which doesn't, me, for me,

doesn't move the needle all that much because are the Jets really looking to

do that right now? I mean, are they, are they really adding David Bailey the mix because they

think David Bailey helps them win games this year? I'm not buying it. Who's there? I'm not

in the back. So, but I think it's, I think it's well-known. Maybe it's not. I'm not saying well-known

in the media. I think it's well-known in the Jets room. It has to be like, hey, we're not winning

right away. We have all this draft capital. We've got, you know, I think it's six picks in the top

hundred this year. We've got two or three first round picks next year. I think if we've got three

firsts and two seconds next year. Yeah. So like, there's a lot of capital where it's just like,

hey, this is a great building block. We can build around this on defense. That's our spark plug.

Maybe we get a little aggressive and move up from 16 because I often think that, you know,

moving up from 16 to, let's say, seven or eight in getting in position to take carnell

tape, McCoy lemon, if they're there. I don't think both of those guys are going to fall to 16. So,

I think the Jets will get a little aggressive with 16. Take their pass rusher and get aggressive

and go get that wide receiver. That's what I personally think. I just, I could be wrong.

So question. I get all that. Like, to me, it would make sense for them to do that, to be aggressive

and come up for a player like, like, carnell tape. And I really dig McCoy lemon's game too. Like,

to me, he looks to me, like, I can't not see golden tape when I see him play. I just, it's just,

that's golden tape. And in today's game, that's a potential monster, right? Yeah.

But you have three first round picks next year. You have Jeremiah Smith. You have

Cam Coleman. You have Ryan Williams. You have, you know, potential others that are going to be

in the draft next year. Why are you giving away future stuff to come up and take no offense,

carnell tape when, when you could just sit there and go grab Jeremiah Smith or one of those

other guys next year. Like, why would you do that? So to me, if you're making them, if they're

making a move from say 16 to seven, does that what we said 16 to six, whatever it is?

I think it's for one of these corners. Look at what, think about Aaron Glund's desire to have

the physical imposing dude. Yeah. And then think about Mansor Delane with Aaron Glund. Like,

to me, like, if you go David Bailey at two and then you come up to seven for, for Mansor Delane,

I think you've crushed the first round. Yeah. Just crushed it. Even if I don't like David

Bailey as a run defender at all, right? And we don't. But it's like, to me, that's, that's more of,

I think what could be happening there. But this all started with, with the whole Dallas thing.

And I and I do think that there's some smoke to, there's more than smoke to what Dallas has going on.

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I just don't know if it's for styles or downs just yet. I don't know.

Well how about this and I don't know if enough people have talked about this because I don't

think in anybody's mind it's reality but I think it could happen and I could be wrong because

we don't know what Arizona is going to do at three. I think they're super intriguing so I'm going

to go kind of two ways here and I'm going to bring up two essentially two different conversations

at the same time. So Arizona at three. Montias and Fourth are their general manager. He is never

state put. He always moves. I mean he did it a few years ago. He doubled down. He went from three

to six and then six to twelve. That allowed the Lions to or not from six to twelve. He went from

three to twelve and then back up to six. That allowed the Houston Texans to get Will Anderson and

CJ Stroud. That allowed the Lions to get Jumeir Gibbs and that allowed Arizona to get Paris Johnson.

And we see it time and time again draft day trades with him where he gets aggressive and he wants

to move around. If David Bailey goes or Arvel Reese goes and that's their guy who's to say that

they don't move out of three and again maybe maybe that is where the jets move up to. Maybe that

is where Dallas moves up to but if that is the case and just using this hypothetical let's just say

they stay put. Maybe they go you know offensive tackle. They take Francis Maui Noah and they move

on at three with the with the right tackle. How did the G become an end suddenly? What happened?

I don't know. I'm just throwing I'm just throwing random letters together and praying for the bad.

No I'm not saying you're saying it wrong everybody. You got it right but like I don't know what

happened there but that's a whole other sorry. You're good. But then like at four you've got

Tennessee. Let's say they go Jeremiah love and then we're talking about you know five with the

giants. Sonny styles or Caleb Downs that would put Arvel Reese right there in the lap at six

and we talk about Michael Parsons as a potential comp for him like I think it just gets really

interesting where it I mean it could very well go Arvel reset six to Dallas and and I don't know

I just think it's I think that's super intriguing and I think it's good to think of it from a

different lens because we always talk about everything in the same kind of way everybody views

everything the same way and then we get to the draft and we're like oh this is bonkers which is

why we all love it but if you don't think with that open mind like yeah I mean like for example

there's totally and I think that what you just said is a much more likely outcome than what everybody

is currently projecting yeah I do and maybe Arizona can't trade I'm sure they want they would love

to trade out but is somebody really coming I mean who they if it's Reese who falls to three

and they don't take him and I really think that they need a right tackle desperately

like who's gonna take Reese because it seems like Tennessee's pretty locked in with with Jeremiah

love which I would totally understand because you need you need some you need some help for for your

quarterback right I kind of think that John Harbaugh needs that safety sort of chess piece kind

of player that's why I would think that Downs is more of a surefire surefire is not the right words

Downs is a much more likely player at five than I think people think now does that mean he's

better than a 50% chance I don't know who knows but I think that I do think that the giants are

are really trying to figure out between him between he and sunny styles you know like

which one right so but if the Cardinals so that's a thing like what if the Cardinals do something

crazy and that's they're they're holding the keys for the whole thing like I agree with you

here they take Maui Maui Noah or whatever if they take him then it sort of all right somebody's

available at six that you just didn't think was gonna be yeah no I'm sorry right maybe

maybe everybody out there thought down thought thought downs would be and so be it that's fine

I mean we are talking about potentially two off-ball linebackers and a safety in the top six

and a running back like a running back yeah lions change the game dude lions change the game and

people are mad at Brad Holmes for that but no I'm with you and I think like and that's why I say

potentially our values not being the guy at three because it kind of feels like that's what

the Cardinals have been swinging for over the last several years they took Savion Collins they

brought in Isaiah Simmons I mean they took Isaiah Simmons like they've tried to get these chess

peace players and it hasn't worked out maybe it does with Michael a floor there but I don't know I

mean like I feel like going with Arvel Reese it's just kind of the same thing that they've already done

now I think it could I think it could work for them flip the coin yeah right but I just I mean

and like are are they the team that potentially pivots and goes Jeremiah love the Cardinal Tate I just

I think Arizona is super intriguing they just recently you know today I think I'm on the last

visit day as we record here on a Wednesday afternoon they ended up visiting with Ty Simpson so

I don't think that's the pick at three but as I said Montias and Fort has never stayed put

so he might get a little intrigued to move up from let's say that second round and get

into the back half for the first round and get his guy and Ty Simpson so could this be the draft

where they go receiver at three and then quarterback at let's say like 26 or 27 or 28 or

something like that I think it's very possible so I don't know we're gonna really see obviously

how it all goes at the top of the draft some other rumors will get into lions rumors but

some other rumors that I have essentially heard you know staying with the browns

Monroe Freeling is obviously kind of like the apple to the eye for them that's the I think like

the the price the the price the drool the gem the I'm stomach we need to create we need to make an AI

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30 minutes or so I don't know how to do it but we can figure it out but in a perfect world yeah

we would love them at 17 but we've set it for months and we've we've talked about him

if you're reading stuff today and going wow I can't believe this guy's gonna go top 15 like

well welcome to the Detroit Lions podcast because we've been talking about him since January the very

first week of January and I I've been saying Cleveland at six cents mock 1.0 after the Super Bowl

yeah so I like I could see a scenario where Dallas would like to get up to six but they don't

in Cleveland stays and Monroe Freeling is the pick at six I could really I could really see that

I could see Dallas moving up to you know eight or something like that instead of six but um

I think Monroe Freeling is super intriguing but the the player that

uh offensive tackle wise and I wanted to mention away from Freeling to the Browns with Spencer

Faunu I I really struggle with where he lands because I know like everybody is like oh well

worst-case scenario of Freeling and Proctor are gone we can take Spencer Faunu because Francis

Maui no is gone you know the the guard is gone um that the players are gone but if that if that

were the case like Spencer Faunu could go to Miami at 11 he could go to Baltimore at 14 I think

that those are the time yeah I think I think specifically Houston and Miami or Houston uh Baltimore

Miami those are the two teams that I just when I look at Faunu I'm like he's going to one of those

two teams I just feel like there's been a lot of a lot of tea leaves and things that point in the

direction of them having strong interest in Faunu and I just have a hard time believing that a guy

that was in the summer this past year was a top five pick projected he's been the number one tackle

essentially when talking to scouts the last two years I have a hard time believing that that guy

falls on the top 15 I really have a hard time believing that I just I think he goes somewhere in

that top 15 and chiefs very well could be the sneaky sleeper pick you'd be you'd fit like a glove

there with the amount of zone running that they do yeah for sure and I mean I think that's the

point is that um I don't know if he is a you know a hand in the glove match for what the Lions want

to do on their offensive line right like they're going to do a lot of pulling they're going to do

they want to they want to displace bodies yeah um I don't think he's a perfect fit there right uh

and I you know just being completely upfront and honest with people for me if an offensive tackle

doesn't want to use their hands all that well it's something that I that I just go hmm I don't know

how you fix that I don't know how you like sure it gets better and players get stronger in all

those things but if you don't punch if you don't use your hands and there are like you just watch

him watch him on film he moves his feet great there's there are no issues with the way he moves

it's ridiculous but like he'll take his he wants to set his chin on on edge rushers uh like inside

shoulder pad and just kind of like ride him you know out of the pocket that way it's so there's not a

lot of control happening it's more it's more a finesse pass pro kind of stuff um he's got to I'm

sure there are multiple homes in the NFL where he could be really really good I just don't

think he's a great match for the Lions and I can be completely wrong right I can I'm wrong about

all kinds of stuff all the time you know but I am he's one of those guys where I'm super curious

where he lands um but that you know I'll say the same thing about like um about Blake Miller there are

times where I where I watch him and I don't think he's I think he started 54 games for Clemson

yep and I don't think he uses his hands great either like there are moments watching him

uh run block where it's like a it's a down block where he's blocked like down on the goal line

it's let's say second or third and one and he's his job is to block and displace the three tech

and his hands kind of his hand his hands start out wide and they just kind of grab on to the

outside of it now this isn't and run blocking stuff like yeah oh yeah you know we're grabbing like

it's almost like we're chest blocking or we're hugging kind of think I don't know how you you

resolve those things so I see that kind of stuff but it just it gives me a little pause but I also

recognize fully that I don't have the answers for any of these things and like Miller's a high

end prospect for those of high end prospect um Caleb Lomu's another one where I don't think he

uses his hands great but like if we if you're drafting for players for what they're going to be

maybe they think they can resolve some of those things but um you know it'll be really interesting

to see how you know you're you're talking about Cleveland at six sort of setting the the tone

for how the tackle class goes and they really good they really good and you know think about

the worst case scenario is let's say that's let there's no trade and Cleveland sits there and takes

feeling and Kansas City takes Fnoet 9 and Miami takes a tackle at 11 and Baltimore takes

one 14 right and you go well shit you know all the ones that you thought they might be able to

choose from that 17 have there's been a run on those guys yeah the list goes from this to that

real fast yeah I mean it it it shrinks up really fast and yeah yeah for sure I do I'm glad you

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I feel like Blake Miller could just be the guy for the Lions like he a hundred percent screams

to true 54 game starter um playswright tackle effective run blocker he looks to finish

strong hands a guy that's got clean character yeah praised for how he carries himself like he

just screams Detroit and I feel like if that was the case I'd I would be okay with it especially

to your point if the run of those tackles start at six or even three Francis Maui Noah goes and

then Monroe Freeling and then Fanu and Proctor or whatever the case may be so I think it's it's

really interesting on how the tackles will shape up I still lean towards offensive tackle um I

I'll let you think on this as far as like a potential what would be the wild card you know obviously

your mod McCoy and we'll talk about them but like what would be the wild card away from

from defensive end and an offensive tackle that would essentially surprise you a little bit

with Detroit that maybe you didn't see happening um and you can you can think and ponder that but

it's go ahead go no go no go ahead go ahead to me it's guard are are you taking um

Vega Iwane Iwane however no offense I don't know how to say your last name which is ridiculous uh

I've said it a million times and a million times the wrong way I can you can you can create

I mean you can you can weave a story around his game where he makes more sense in some ways than

bolstering the interior might make more sense for Jared Goff then taking an ad uh

tackle it just might you're right and and then I think about what that would do for the ground game

and all those things and I he he would be super intriguing but outside of after guard

the surprise picks would be corner and and safety like it's the safety thing is like we don't

we don't totally know what's happening there yeah we feel we both feel pretty good about what

their corner room looks like for this year but after this year you know you're talking about

you're talking about Terry and Arnold being in year going after this year's so this year's

gonna be year three for him so after this year you're it's year four for him um I think it's the

I think DJ Reed has two years left on his deal realistically where it's also going to be

possibly the end of of DJ Reed's deal here uh we don't know what's happening with rake straw

there's no idea um Rocky sends here for one year uh Roger McCreary is here for one year so

I just think people need to be it needs to be on the radar that while the room the the corner room

looks to be like okay for the 2026 season you could you could see how they might think that it's

not so set for beyond that yeah and then you go all right um I don't think bansword delaying will

be there I don't think there's really any hope that he's there at 17 right but we do need to talk

about Tennessee's Jermad McCoy um and I don't want to do this because he scares me

yeah but I think we need to kind of pivot to is this would this be a surprise pick for Brad

Holmes to make yeah and that's the the the recent lions rumor there's essentially two um

um before we get into it I will say the surprise pick for me would be Dylan

Theaneman I've said that time and time again I think he screams Detroit lion you think of like Dan

Jackson I think Dylan Theaneman is a more athletic bigger version of Dan Jackson essentially um

and certainly a better athlete for sure and just one of those guys that I I could see the

lion's meeting with Theaneman at the combine and just falling in love I could just see it all day

long um and the other player real quick we haven't talked about him and we haven't talked about the

rumor or the confirmed it accident but Miami Florida Rubin Bay in junior he had the car accident

from 2024 that was reported by Ali Conley um over the weekend and um this is something that's

been really well known Brad Holmes kind of touched on it in the press conference I know Jeff

Ristin did a good job breaking it down here on the Detroit Lions podcast earlier in the week uh which by

the way be sure to rate review and subscribe to the Detroit Lions podcast on YouTube Apple

podcast Spotify and all other podcast platforms but um I don't think Rubin Bayne would even be on

the Lions radar after knowing this incident to be completely honest with you I think it's very

similar in a sense of like Jalen Carter um and and you know I'm not saying Rubin Bayne is a bad guy

I'm not saying Jalen Carter is a bad guy but these red flags I think are something that if the

Lions know about it ahead of time they're gonna flag it and they're not gonna even try to work with

it um ahead of time if they're in house they're gonna try their best to make it work which is what

they did with like guys like James and Williams and obviously I think we're seeing that a little

bit with Terry and Arnold but the Rubin Bayne stuff super interesting I think he's obviously a big

domino and how he could affect the top 15 certainly the top 17 of this draft but I still think he's

a first ground pick I don't think this is something that is gonna change anything uh with his

draft status or anything like that so we'll get into McCoy here in a minute but just

wanted to touch on Bane real quick um do you feel that same way with Rubin Bayne? I do and it's a

bummer because I love his game and and it's he would just be like wow man like um

the run defense the physicality I mean I just I know he's got short arms and that's gonna that's

the knock on him but the way he plays and as violent as he is with with his hands and his shoulders

and um his relentless and this and all that stuff and to me the wider you line him the wider

his alignment the better he becomes because he's just so uh the twitch in his hands is just

it's just crazy to watch right but it's it's hard to see that it's hard to see the the lions

these guys these decision-makers being cool with the uh and there's some of it for us as I

or at least I'll speak for myself I don't fully know all of everything that went on there um

it just seems to me like there's enough there and there's enough there's some stuff around

his arm length where you go all right is this accident thing something that teams can now put on

paper and say yeah um he wasn't necessarily a player that we were really looking at because of

acts when when truthfully maybe they were they were a little worried all along because of the stature

stuff I don't know um I love his game I think he's I think he's one of this drafts best players

so it's it's complicated um you know I it's I'm sure there are teams that are that are not

considering drafting him at this point which is a bummer yeah no a hundred percent and I think

teams had that mindset going into this process like they've known about the short arms for a while

going into this draft cycle uh it was reported from Dame Brewer that scouts believe Ruben Bayne

is more of a second round pick so I think you know it'll be interesting where he lands I again I

still think first round you still think first round it's just a matter of kind of win and wear

he ends up going and I I just don't see him being available by pick 17 like even the Rams at 13

I've talked about this I've joked about it like the leagues gonna let the Rams get Ruben Bayne

they don't really need them but I could see it I could totally see that in a week you know I could

totally see that so obviously we'll see what happens with Ruben Bayne I think Kansas City would

obviously make a lot of sense and I think there's other teams too I think Washington would make some

sense for him I think Dallas would make sense for him but um I don't know if Dallas would move up

to go get him I think they might wait and see if it falls to him at 12 if that were the case but

yeah I mean for the the final thing for me with Bayne is like it's hard for me to watch Bayne and

for for me to think that all right there's there are you know um a bunch of teams in the NFL that

are gonna let that guy go because of his arm length have you watched yeah right like he's he's

also right yeah but yeah there's there's enough out there there's enough out there around

the stuff that's going on to make me think that for reasons you you you listed around some

of the character things that the Lions are pretty serious about or at least have been in the past

for me to think that he's not necessarily a player that they they would target yeah yeah no we'll

see I mean yeah it's it's really it's obviously the whole incident is unfortunate yeah it's it is a

bummer but hopefully it's it's one of those things that you know he's learned from hopefully it's

something that um everything sorts out and everything's good in the long run um in all of that but

one other rumor and and a kind of tie it all in together um Lions were rumored on social

median again you take it for for what it's worth but um there the rumor was that they would be

linked to a big-bodied player they're gonna get a bigger player with their first pick um

and that got social media kind of in a buzz of like hey they're gonna take Kate and Proctor from

Alabama they're gonna take Kate and McDonald the defensive tackle from Ohio State and then obviously

we've seen the reports of the Lions being linked to Tennessee corner Turmade McCoy so obviously

McCoy's not a very big player he's he's not a small player but he's not a very big player he's not

an offensive lineman or defensive lineman um so I think it's really interesting I mean I guess

I guess essentially take your pick would you rather have Kate and Proctor Kate and McDonald or

Jermad McCoy on draft day if if the rumors are true I know that's a tough one I know that's a tough one

those are the three worst options the problem is is that we have no idea what his knee looks like

I know he ran he he tested he ran his 40 and it was good but from what I understand his the

positional drills were not great and it's hard so it's hard to totally know this information but

I had heard that he didn't run the positional drills at full speed um don't know whether that's true

or not right so but the problem is is that you have a guy who tore his ACL in January of 2025

after putting out a year of what I would consider to be pretty elite film like his his film

his tape from from the 20 from that from that season the like the 2024 2025 season of him at

Tennessee is pretty awesome um specifically you could watch it's it's fun um you can watch him

play up against Ryan Williams from Alabama and Ryan Williams is fast fast oh yeah and McCoy's fine

in that matchup totally fine um you then get to you can then watch him play against Ohio State

and you can see him run and him play in coverage with carnal tape and you can see him run and

play in and coverage with Jeremiah Smith Smith does get him on a touchdown on like a slot fade kind of

play um but for the most part McCoy does not look like a he he really gets beat by by guys who

that we know are pretty fast uh ever since I started serving cut water can cocktails to my guests

hey hi how are you yeah going through I'm going from host to hero thanks to cut water I can make

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2025 cut water spirit San Diego California enjoy responsibly um and the second part is like he's

just seems totally unfazed by it like dude they're about to snap the ball like stop talking to

your safety and you know I mean like so he's just he's one of those guys where you know he's fast

he's twitchy to me he's smart there's a play he makes against Alabama where there are he's he's on

he's on the outside and um the slot receiver ends up getting I think might even be Ryan Williams

I'm not sure whoever it is for uh for Alabama catches a plant a pass over the middle

and he and he snaps off of his coverage because he sees this all happening and he gets to the middle

of a field quick enough that he drills the receiver in the back and breaks up a pass and it's like

well it's impressive and then there's some stuff where you see the clicking close and just how

just how efficient and good it looks and I and I go all right as

the film is is high end right where you would say and don't we don't have an answer for this but

where would he have gone in last year's draft after looking the way he did last year

and if he doesn't suffer the ACL injury and he puts together another season like he looked like

like 20 24 25 if he looked like that again I think we are talking about him being the number one

corner in this class I do um I know that's a whole bunch of what ifs like you know if

yeah no but he would have been he would have been after Travis Hunter last year but he would have

gone in front of jade baron probably yeah he would have been a top 15 pick like just looking

back at that draft like I know they took Tyler Warren but he would scream Indianapolis cult to me at

like 13 or 14 whenever they took Tyler Warren so like I'm with you I think McCoy a year ago we're

talking about him in a different in a different lens but with the injury it's it's kind of scary

before everybody gets mad and starts yelling at Scott in the comments about Ryan isn't all this

stuff and he's not fast just for everybody that knows just went went checked my notes as I go to my

20 27 draft tab Ryan Williams 10 55 10 second 10.5 5 seconds in the 100 meter dash outdoors

as like a 16 year old so he's like yes he served yeah absurd fast then if you're like oh he

sucks I suggest watching Alabama I know it's a bit of an off year last year but he's still very

good and Jermon McCoy I wouldn't be I wouldn't be happy with it because I just I've said this time

and time again if they walk out of this draft in the first round on Thursday night without an

offensive tackle I'm gonna be pissed I would still be kind of pissed but I guess I would have to see

what the offensive tackle room looks like yeah going into day two like what what's what's it going

to look like and at the same time like I still could see a scenario where the lions move up right like

could they get to 32 could they get from 50 to 32 yeah trade the farm get your corner get an

offensive tackle maybe you go McCoy and then Blake Miller I I don't know I don't know what

offensive tackle is gonna be there I again I think the run is gonna happen yeah and by the time

you get to pick 28 or 29 six or seven of those guys gonna be off the board at offensive tackle I

genuinely believe that so I do too and so I mean back to McCoy for a second is um the risk

it brings yeah right like we're talking some of this is probably a little hyperbole at this point

but some of it all is it is also fact he was he wasn't quite ready to participate at the combine

um we're talking we're talking at that point I want to say that was 13 or so months post post

injury um and if we are to if we are to believe that he that he had just gotten ready for his

pro day to run the 40 but wasn't totally available due to to do position drills at full speed like

we're talking about a long recovery time and oh yeah right so so even if even if you know we even

if we just kind of sweep that stuff under the rug it's still a long time to to to be dealing with

recovering from an injury and it's it just leads to like for me it leads to questions about what's

you know what is his long-term prognosis what is what's in the short term for him why would

why are we bringing on such risk and I know that Brad Holmes in the past has done the you know

hey we're getting value because this player is a little hurt and if he wasn't hurt he would you

know he would have gone a full-round fuller than where we're getting him but you're taking a player

you're taking a player at 17 um so are you are you really getting much are you really getting value

now they might think that if they have like a top five grade on him I would totally get it

and I would understand like all right you are getting value because he you know what you if

you're thinking he is the number one corner in this class if he's healthy I'm all in that's great

do that you know for reasons that I said earlier I think that there is a little you know there is a

a low-key need long-term in the corner room but it's just about the amount of risk that that

move carries and are they really willing to do that and I don't know I have no idea what do you

I mean do you think there's as much risk as is me I mean am I am I you know you're right I think

there's a ton of risk I I whenever I say this all the time specifically with corners when they

get a lower body ailment injury I'm running I'm running for the hills because you have one

it's coming back when you have those players same thing with Jordan Tyson I am terrified of him

in round one I get how good he is and how good he can be but we're talking about a player that has

not been healthy since 2022 if the Lions take McCoy at 17 we could get to 20 28 and 20 29 and have

that same conversation be like this guy hasn't been healthy since 2024 we're doing it right now with

NS Raikstra you know what I'm saying so that's where I struggle with everything yeah the mindset of

it I put everything together connecting dots it makes sense it makes a hundred percent sense if

that's the guy that they like and at the same time is it is it McCoy that they're after or is it

his teammate Colton Hood you know what I mean is that the guy that they want because he also fits

he's a press man corner he's physical as hell so maybe they brought in McCoy to get a little bit of

details on Colton Hood and they're they're playing the game they're playing the system we'll see but

I think it's going to be really interesting one last rumor as we kind of close up shop and it's

it's nothing too crazy aside from Germain McCoy have we given any thought of the Lions trading

up from 17 and if so is there a specific player that would make sense I think it would probably be

at the lane I think it would be a Caleb downs or I think it would it would have to be probably one

of these past rushers but we've kind of said that it wouldn't be Ruben Bain so it maybe it's an

offensive tackle would it be an off would you be okay with them trading up for an offensive tackle

like a Monroe Freelink going up and getting your left tackle yeah depending on what it would cost

them yeah I would I'd be you know if it's if it's delaying yes please if it's if it's downs uh-huh

like absolutely and if it's a if it's a player that I think if it obviously if they're doing that

just to the tackle concept if it's a player they're moving up for there's there's some certainty

in knowing that the Lions feel comfortable both in the short term in the long term that it was

worth going to get him so yes yes by all means there they're in a position at pick 17 where they're

looking they're on the outside looking in at what I would consider to be the first round graded

player I don't know how I'm gonna you have but it seems like from you know all the the national

people like maybe it's 12 to 13 range maybe 14 max first round graded players so if you do need

if you do need to move up a little bit to secure one of those guys I don't I don't think that's a bad

move in the long term and it just depends on the the cost like does it cost pick 50 to do that

right and if so are our Lions fans and us are we are you comfortable having one pick in the first

three rounds in this draft it's not the great it's not a great scenario but as long as that

player pans out if that player pans out to be a high level really good player that I don't think

in the long term people are gonna care too much right but but it's sure what I wouldn't want to be

part of I'm gonna log off for a day yeah yeah well I I just hope for my sanity on Thursday night I

don't have to sit and clip up defensive back tape all night long I would much rather watch the

trenches it's so much more enjoyable for me yeah I just like the physical element so I yeah I would

love to just see them go in the trenches I think trading up is certainly an option I know I know

Brad and we've talked about this a lot Brad always uses the word conviction if they have conviction

they got a guy that they really like and it's a good football player they're gonna go get him it just

it is what it is so yeah well we'll obviously see how it turns out next week I think I think next

week we'll try to do like a live NFL draft Q&A for people they can chime in they can roast us they

can do whatever we'll have some fun with it a night before the draft and then obviously I think

we'll be doing some live draft coverage on the Detroit Lions podcast with Chris Jeff yourself

whoever um so it should it should be a lot of fun but I don't I don't have anything else I think

we could spin in circles and go over every single option but if if you want more you want to know

a position group you want to you you want to talk about a keen messador go find the ad rusher

episode we did you can go back and find those on the Detroit Lions podcast as I said earlier rate

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podcast platforms um do you have anything else Scott no I think we've we've we've talked enough

about about uncertain things that we don't know about yeah nope and we'll continue to not know about

them but we will do our best to try to figure it out and connect the dots as we move along if

you want more find us on x or twitter at Russ NFL draft and at bishoff underscore Scott

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