BLACKHAWKS POSTGAME: Chicago Can’t CLOSE OUT, Falls in OT to Winnipeg | CHGO Blackhawks Podcast

Welcome into the C.O. Blackhawks post game hot cast Hawks lose three two to the Winnipeg Jets. Thanks for being with us. I'm Jay Zewoski with Mario cheerbossy Chloe

Thielis here, running the show as well. We appreciate you being here with us. I said Hawks lose three two in over time to the Jets.

Mark Schifley three points over time winner, Culper Fettie sends it over time with 39 seconds to go. Just a very, very frustrating

way to lose a game when they basically played 40 really solid minutes and then just had their ass as handed to them in the third.

Yeah, it's, it's deflating because you were

39.6 seconds away from getting a regulation win to close a four game road trip.

You know, to get wins at this time of year for a team that is in selling mode leading up to the trade deadline.

And like that's that's something good in a time of uncertainty for some players and it can be weird for

these teams around the trade deadline of, you know, guys coming in leaving not really knowing exactly what's going to happen.

Anytime you can get a win like that just is good. That's just good for the spirit. Good for the room and, you know, good would be good for this team.

We've talked about we talked about after the last game. Like, you know, these players getting that experience of

playing the way that they need to to get wins at the professional level, especially for the young players.

Like that is that is good experience.

They they didn't play a bad game tonight. Like like the third period, they're, they score early, get, get Ryan Green,

get the goal from him, make it to one and then the Jets push and push and the Hawks are trying to bend, but don't break.

Spence or night made some good saves, but then you know, Tyler Bertuzzi made a really good block sacrificing his body late in the third period.

But then with the goalie pulled like the Jets are just able to find the game tying goal and then you go to overtime and you have chances.

They just don't finish them and then the Jets are able to keep a puck in their own zone as the block hooks are trying to

get a break, go on the other way and Mark Schifley buries it. So like they played good tonight. They just didn't play good enough to close the game and win.

Yeah, as soon as the as soon as the Hawks scored the second goal, the Ryan Green goal, which is a beautiful snipe 30 seconds into the third period set up from Bidara on the boards, his second point of the game.

Um, the Jets just turned it on and you saw the Hawks kind of fallen back and fallen back and fallen back and I stopped a little bit short of calling it the prevent they were trying to leave the zone, but they were just having trouble getting out and look like say what you want about the Winnipeg Jets there.

They've had a really bad year. They've had an injury plagued year. This is a good hockey team with good hockey players that have been playing successful hockey for a long time and they knew.

Just keep going. Keep pushing and you saw what the empty net. They were not getting cute. They were not trying to make the perfect play. They were just throwing everything they could. It spends her night and eventually Culper Fettie pops one in.

Hermos little shot. He's just there and it just finds its way underneath Spencer night.

It you can't sit back, but these are the sort of lessons you're going to learn. And when you lose counter Murphy, who is always really good at sort of stopping the cycle of the other team, he was sort of a fire extinguisher in those situations. Yeah, you lose that.

It's going to look like this down the stretch as a team gets younger and younger, especially if they lose McCabe and especially if they lose Dickinson.

You're going to learn some hard lessons this way, but I think if there's any takeaway, it's don't stop attacking. Do not start worrying about, okay, now we can't give up a goal. No, you were well in control of the game for 40 minutes and 32 seconds.

Right. They were the better team by far. And then all of a sudden the Jets are like, well, we're down time to start pushing.

And they just could not hold on long enough in these late goals, man. Oh my gosh, like how many of they given up in the last two minutes of games that have cost them points. And if you want to silver lining it, you can say, at least they're up late in games, right?

If you're looking for something something bright to take away from it. Yeah, but you're right. These are lessons that young players will learn. This is a coaching opportunity for Jeff Blaschle.

But every time a heartbreaker like this happens, it just saps the life out of these guys a little bit. And you've got to imagine that locker room right now and that plane ride home is going to be very, very quiet because they know they let two points escape.

Yeah, I think that they they understand that, you know, they're trying to close the season as strong as they can playoffs are not a real realistic expectation at this point. And, you know, had they won this game in regulation, they would have jumped over the Jets in the Central Division standing. So then, you know, you got, you got two teams behind you. And as as much as that, you know, doesn't really mean much in the grand scheme of things. If you're going to miss a playoffs, you're going to miss a playoffs.

You'd want the best lottery odds, quote unquote, but for the guys in the group.

That would mean something getting wins and getting points like that means something. These they're carrying about each one of these games as much as possible. So it is, it is tough to see the results be what it is. But yeah, I mean, it's when you when you go through this rebuilding process. And it's not new. Like we've seen this, we've seen this Black Hawk team year over year.

The last few seasons get younger as the trade deadline approached more players came up more for lack of a better term moral victories.

But it's been but it's been progressing. And I think you now need to see those moral victories become actual victories. You need to see those two one leads late.

Be held or you know, you get a chance and you put it into the empty net and make it three one and go home comfortably. And that that is a learning process for these guys to be able to to hunker down it. And you know, the other thing too is this is a Winnipeg Jets team that last year, they were the present trophy winners.

And this season things just haven't gone their way, but they're still a really talented team that's still Conor hella buck. Right.

He was gold medal winning Conor hella buck you had a great game. It could have been for one easy in this game. Yeah. So so I think you you kind of you hate to say like, oh, you know, like to put too many flowers on on a loss like this. But I think the spot that they were in.

They had chances to win. And I think you just not coming away with it is the biggest deflator. They just have to grow. They just have to grow and find those ways to finish the game. You go up and down the line up and you look at the individual performances tonight.

Conor Boudard 2.9, table tear of vine and gets the power play goal right on green with a nice. Snipe of a goal.

Alex Flasick and Louis Crevier were leaned on heavily defensively Sam Branzell and Artim Levchinov both had I would say pretty decent game.

Yeah. Ethan Dell Mastro came in and played a really good game to considering the circumstances of flying into Winnipeg two day and playing that game.

He had a pretty good game. Like Frank Nasar, people have been talking about his production. Like he got the primary assist on the opening goal. Like there were a lot of good individual performances tonight.

So to come away with the loss in the fashion that it did really sucks. It really takes the wind out of you. But again, like I come back to like it was a it was a pretty decent game. Like they they had their chances. And it just

hurts me that they weren't able to close it out with 40 seconds to go.

You want to see them get rewarded, right? You want to see them get rewarded for one of their better efforts in recent memory, right?

Like through 40 minutes, this is one of their best games they've played in the calendar year for sure.

I don't know if you would say all year that some really great games going to season some blowout wins over some decent teams.

You want to see them get rewarded for overall the effort they put in this game. They were playing hard in the first period, second period, they were relentless.

Everybody was battling for a puck. Everybody was battling on the boards. And I don't think they stopped fighting.

But I think that doubts just that doubt starts to set in a little bit of okay, here we go again. We're up a goal late.

We can't give it up. We can't give it up. And we've talked about this all the time.

You're thinking and you're thinking and you're thinking and you're not using your instincts and you're not reacting.

And that's by then you're screwed. Hopefully the clock just runs out before it costs you today.

They need a 39 more seconds of clock to run out before it costs them. And they couldn't get it.

And then over time, as we learned in the Olympics, three on three over time, we knew this before the Olympics.

It's a coin flip, right? It's a coin flip. And in that last play, a puck kind of bounces to Ryan Green's feet.

He's trying to swat it, you know, forward out of the zone to table. It hits, it hits a skate. It goes right to Samberg.

And he gives it to Mark Sheffley, who is not going to miss that shot very often.

No one really made a mistake. It was just it was a bad situation where a puck just found its way to Ryan Green.

And he's kind of handcuffed by it because it's right between his two feet. And he does everything he can to advance it.

And there's just nothing he can do. There's no one really in this one where I say this guy is to blame or these guys are to blame or this coaching decision was a problem.

They just lost. They just lost and they lost in a in a crappy way and a painful way.

But overall, I think there's way more positives to take away from this game than negatives.

Yeah.

I know it sucks.

It sucks.

It's like in the way.

In the wake of it is so deflating 100%.

You know, we're watching a game here at the office. And, you know, it's it's two one.

The hellabuck is pulled. There's a minute left to play. And I'm getting like, I'm getting excited. I'm like, all right, it's sweet.

Hey, two and two on the road trip to come back from the break.

You get a win in the final game. You come home with a little bit of good feelings.

Some good vibes on the plane ride back from Winnipeg back home.

Like I said before, you get wins when it's trade deadline time.

You just, you know, this first game, no kind of Murphy around.

Like you want to kind of feel that positivity. And then it just sucks the wind out of you.

And I got to imagine for the team, like they're pissed that that game ended the way that they did.

And coming over here and getting set up for an overtime loss show is a lot different than getting, you know, it's a lot different.

And getting ready for a game that they had just won. So, yeah, it's just, it's, it's just a deflator.

Like I feel like, you know, the, it's obviously the team needed this one.

They need them all. They want them all.

But I feel like, you know, for, for the fan base too, like I, like I want Hawks fans to get some wins in this final stretch of the season and have some good feelings going into the off season.

Because we're going to see some more change over as the, you know, Friday comes and goes.

And then, you know, we're going to be on front del watch. And then there's going to be the wave of, you know, him arriving eventually.

And then you're looking at, you know, when the BU season is over.

When Providence, the season is over, you know, looking at guys in the OHL.

Like, oh, are they going to get, you know, bounced early in the playoffs and maybe, you know, Vannacker or Spellis C or whoever, you know, shows up early or whatever.

Like that, like, but, but you want to still have like the NHL team getting the wins.

You want, you want that positivity and those vibes and stuff because you want that momentum for when front del shows up.

Like if they could win a couple games and then he shows up, people are in a good mood.

Yeah, players are in a good mood. He, he shows up and like, it's, you know, you're, you, you kind of feel like you can, you can feed off of that.

So I really would hope that we can get a little bit of that going here in March.

We got to get the break zone and we're going to, but we've got to tell you about our nominees for our game day, men's health, game puck.

Conor Bedard had two assists in this game, really, really solid from start to finish just full of energy.

Clearly, one of these games where he just was sort of saying, I'm just going to kind of do this myself.

Awesome game. Awesome game. Conor Hullabuck denied him on several really good opportunities.

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Got the assist on, on Tevo's goal and just was a little more noticeable tonight, right?

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It's baby steps. We obviously want to see more production from Frank Nazar, but the overall game today was better.

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Anyways,

Hawks game.

They lost.

They did.

We're sad.

Let's one of the big stories today.

We spent a lot of the pregame show talking about it.

It was Ethan Del Mastro in for Kevin Korkinski and our thought was, wow.

Maybe Jeff Fleskel trusts Ethan Del Mastro more.

That is correct.

You sure?

You sure?

You know, that's true.

Played 507 in this game.

How to shot on go.

Three shot attempts.

Two hits.

And three block shots.

I thought he was really noticeable.

I thought he looked very calm.

I think he looked very confident.

I liked what I saw from 38 today and make no mistake.

When we voice our frustration about the handling of Kevin Korkinski.

is nothing to do with Ethan Delmastro.

I'd like them both to be playing.

Yes, I'd be happy with that.

And whatever fashion it would happen.

But yeah.

So the courtiers kiss side.

Yeah.

Delmastro, yeah, he had a very solid game.

He's someone that has the play style

similar to Conor Murphy.

So I can understand the roster decision

of we need someone in the lineup to do that.

Yeah.

OK.

I can live with that.

And I think, yeah, like he was tasked with some decent minutes

playing alongside Sam Ranzell.

I think Ranzell had a decent game and team paired with Delmastro

probably helped out a little bit.

And yeah, there were some times where Delmastro actually

jumped into the offensive zone and tried to make some plays.

It had a few shot attempts today.

And for a guy that is more thought of as defensive first kind

of thing, he's not really known for the offensive game

to feel confident enough to jump in and do that,

like, hey, all the more power to him.

Like, I think if he can string to,

if he's going to get the ice time and take advantage of it,

then great.

That's another young guy that I think

we're all kind of factoring into the puzzle of the future.

And if he's going to get the opportunity to do it,

and does it, wonderful.

That's another piece of the rebuild that,

although not coming from Davidson's time, he was a Bowman pick.

It's kind of found money.

He was a fourth round pick for a guy that wasn't picked

by the current GM.

And if he becomes a guy that's entrusted

to be an NHL regular as a young player, wonderful.

That's awesome.

Yeah, and we noticed, what was it, our first training

campaign coverage that would be 2023, right?

No, the 22 champion.

Well, yeah, 22.

And we walked in and we're like,

who is that adult man playing with the,

and it was he's a dumbass or two big guy?

Yeah, he's, he was a big guy,

like, physically feels like ready to be in the NHL.

And that's, that's one of those things now

bringing Kortzinski from over here

about into the conversation.

That's one of those things that I think over

the last two seasons it's been since,

since Kortzinski's working year.

One of the things has been like, you know, okay,

like he's a tall guy,

Lanky, but it's like lean.

Yeah, slim.

And one of the things when you get a defenseman like that,

they're young, they got a physically mature as part of it.

They got to get used to playing physically in the NHL.

It's, this is going to sound weird to bring it this way,

but he doesn't look like he's physically changed all that much

since his rookie year.

No cream in the coffee.

And that could be it.

And so like I, I wonder if Dalmatian being the bigger guy

that he is can play more physically,

with stand more physically,

that's going to be what maybe sets him apart,

moving forward and might just be something

that holds Kortzinski back,

that his play is not going to overcome.

Is that like capability to play defensively using your body,

using positioning.

We've talked, we've had discussions with

and about Alex Vlasik in that same way.

And he's, he's a bigger guy.

He's more filled out, more physical,

but even still like that's something that he's still learning

to do like the physicality part of being in the NHL

and playing defense and being in front of the net

and being in corners and all that stuff.

So I think it could be something that Dalmatio has

above Kortzinski if you're comparing them one to one,

that maybe this coaching staff and Blaschle

kind of put him ahead in.

And that's something that's something that's something

that's going to stick out.

There's no doubt about that.

And this goes back to the somewhere

you're talking about in the pre-game show too,

is like, does Kevin getting the message, right?

Is he getting the message about,

hey, we need you to get bigger and stronger.

I guess they're professional athletes,

they have a full training staff,

but it's up to these guys to do work on their own.

We have spent hours on this podcast,

talking about the work counterpart put in individually

this summer to get faster, to get stronger,

to get thicker, all the things he needed to do

to have more success at the NHL level.

We've seen, you just mentioned, Alex Vlasik

from the first time we saw him,

till now is a different guy, Louis Crevier.

Same thing was Tallinn Skinny, but it's filled out.

You have to do things on your own.

And I don't know if Kevin Kurchinsky is

or is not doing that,

but I've seen no difference in his body physically

than I did when he was a rookie.

I just don't, and look,

some people have trouble gaining weight.

My cousin, Alex was a special teamer

for University of Oregon football,

and whatever he did, he could not gain weight.

He would go to Portillo's four times a day

and have a cake shake for real,

to the point where he was like upset and depressed

about, he's like, I'm so sick of this,

but I have to gain weight, I have to gain weight,

and he just,

but it sounds awful.

He tried and he worked out and was trying to like,

you know what I mean, it just didn't work for him.

I just hope that Kurchinsky is getting the message here

about what's happening on the ice,

what's happening off the ice,

because as I said in the pregame,

I'm a little bit disappointed that he did not come in

two weeks ago, two Hawks practice,

and really send a message to this coaching staff.

You know who did that?

Ethan Dombastro tonight, who's playing landed today.

Ethan Dombastro stepped on the ice

in the first period at two shot attempts,

several block shots.

He went out and announced his presence with authority,

and we have not seen that from Kurchinsky yet.

And there are some people,

as we have the conversation about the Hawks rebuild

saying like,

how come Adam Lepshonov is getting this long leash

and Calvin Kurchinsky's not,

we have seen, there's one night

that Cross Ice Pass, he sent the Frink Nazar.

These plays from Lepshonov that he's made all year

that are like, oh my God,

very few defensemen can do that.

Now, there's also moments where you say,

oh my God, in a bad way,

like what is he doing?

Oh my God.

Can you recall a single moment in Kewin Kurchinsky's time

as a Black Hawk where you're like,

that's what they took at number seven.

Not many of that standout, no.

No, I mean, I think he's made,

he's had those,

when I think back to like his rookie year,

there were a few moments where he had like,

some inconsistent stretches where it'd be like,

okay, like that was it,

it would be kind of like a give and take in a game.

Like he'd have a good period, then a bad period,

and then, you know, he might make a good play here or there.

And it just wasn't consistently there.

But as a 19 year old rookie, you're like,

all right, like we saw some flashes,

like let's see where the development goes.

And then, you know, through his time in Rockford,

like there's still been those flashes,

it's been a little bit better consistently.

But again, at the A H L level,

there's a difference as you take the step up to the NHL level

and still the defensive play is still something

that is a work in progress with him.

I just wonder how much time that progress

is going to be given still.

And I think with him, like he's expected to be a more offensive guy,

but you still got to be able to play both sides of the puck.

And Jeff Flashle has stressed that a lot

since he's come in this year.

And a lot of guys have taken out the heart,

kind of a dart especially.

So yeah, I just wonder if there is a,

if there's a way that, you know, he's going to be able

to play that style and be able to play the defensive side,

strong enough that you feel confident

that the offense is going to still stand out.

And that, you know, he's going to be able to read the game

at the NHL level.

I think that's another thing with Kortzinski,

is like his skating, his puck handling,

his offensive instincts at the junior level

and at the A H L level have been strong.

But when he's been in the NHL, like it hasn't translated.

And that's, that's a big thing.

Like if you're,

if you're supposed to be entrusted with being a power play guy

and being a puck mover,

you have to put the puck in the right positions,

put it in the right spots,

make the right reads, make the right plays.

And if you're not doing that,

you're likely turning the puck over

and costing your team chances go in the other way.

So if you do that too much,

and you're not making up for it

on the offensive side with production or anything,

then it's going to be hard to find a spot for you.

So I would love for him to be able to get the opportunity

to continue to work on that.

And I want to put the opportunity on the ice.

On the ice, yeah.

But if he's not going to,

then whoever's taking that spot,

which it was Del Mastro tonight,

and it, you know, who knows what's going to be moving forward.

Why a Kaiser was skating before the road trip

and there was a chance he might go on the road trip,

but he didn't.

Wouldn't shock me if he plays Friday.

He could be getting back to the line up soon.

And then then there's a spot gone

on, unless they move Grizzlyck.

So, and it's still not a spot for Gorginski.

Right, then he's a seven,

there's still competition for it.

Yeah.

So yeah, it's, it's, it's,

we're going to see how it shakes out over the next few days.

But if, you know, if Grizzlyck's on the team Friday,

Kaiser will eventually get back

and then you got to see where guys stand.

Who, who stays?

Then is, is Del Mastro going to stick around

and Corkinsky goes back to Rockford?

Or does Corkinsky stay up here

and keep getting scratched,

but he's with the NHL team like, I don't know.

Love to see.

I just got your six months joke.

It just not good to me.

Well done.

Thank you.

What?

What is that?

See, we got that with that's what she said from Chloe.

I don't know what she's referring to either.

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I think he's only done it what?

I think eight, maybe eight.

Is it even that many?

Because he did it for a few games.

Like we said, when Dickinson and Falino were hurt

and it was after the abuse of the official penalty

and he was wearing the A when he got hurt against St. Louis,

if I'm remembering correctly.

So that might have only been like a five or six game stretch.

Well, it looks good on him.

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We're going to get to Blaschle here in a minute.

Let's get to those super chats while we can.

Wendy City Hockey, who we just talked about, two dollars

says, feel like the beer sparked the jets.

Yeah, how about that?

That was fun.

Yeah, you win a peg beer.

Wasters can't believe you just wouldn't

hook a beer on the ice.

Who's worried?

I was just trying to share who does that?

Yeah, that was someone did bend, bend Pope identified it as vomit

on the ice because I think Ben just saw them cleaning it up

and it got to slushy mode very quickly.

Was that happened in the Olympics?

Where was it that someone threw up on the ice?

Or no, it was like the first night of games

back from the Olympics.

Oh, yeah.

I think it was the gust of sin might have been when

he was playing the ice.

Yeah, and just vomited right in the crease.

I thought you were talking about when Nathan McKinnon threw up

on the bench.

Oh, yeah, he did the old, like, little kid

drank too much Kool-Aid at the party throw up.

Because it was just pure powerade coming out of them.

Four cake shakes later.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

No, he just come on.

Don't don't.

First of all, don't throw stuff on the ice.

Yeah, second of all, don't waste beer.

That's that's a double sin.

Come on.

And then we got another super chat from Mike who says we had 61

points last season.

We have 56 right now with 21 games left.

We are a lot better this year.

Let's remember that.

It's true.

It's it's it's progress.

I mean, you basically have a side from Frontel.

Like all your top picks are playing at the NHL level

to varying degrees of success.

Yeah.

But yeah, once Frontel's here by the end of the year,

they showed it on the on the broadcast.

By almost two years, this is the youngest defensive core

in the NHL.

Yeah.

Your forward group is probably about to join the likes

of the defensive group by being one of the, if not,

the youngest in the NHL.

So you're going to, if they trade Dickinson and or McCay

of and or Felino.

Oh my God.

And replace them with Nicolartus.

They're ever going to be behind Frontel.

By the time they end this season, yeah,

they're going to average age is going to be about 23 years old.

They as a team would not be able to rent a car, right?

Because you have to be 25 to do that.

Oh, I think so, yeah.

It's, it's going to be a young team.

And yeah, you're just, it's just, this is going to be,

we've talked about at the beginning of the season,

the excitement kind of centering around like this is kind

of like that first wave of the rebuild all starting to hit now

and all starting to take that first step in the NHL.

Now it's like the, it's like the crux of the wave

is now crashing.

And you're seeing all these guys that we've talked about

for a number of years hit the NHL group

and like we're seeing it now.

So it's as much as it's going to come with growing pains.

And yeah, like it's, you know, it's not a, not a lot of wins.

It's a, it's been a better season

that it has been in the last two years.

And now we're seeing all these guys finally start maturing

to NHL players, which is exciting.

I have to stretch my leg one second.

If cramping up, got a little test.

Fullenal and Dickinson and McCay have get traded.

Tevo Terevano will be the oldest Black Hawk.

He'll be 31.

What a, what a grandpa out there.

Then it's Bertuzzi and Burakowski are 30 beyond those guys.

Bedard 20, crevier 24, doc 23.

Denado is what?

Denado 29, green 22.

Kaiser 23, night 24, Korkinsky 21.

Levchenov 20, Moore 21, Nazar 22, Renzel 21.

Sleggered old man 23 and Vlasik 24.

Crazy.

That is a really, really young team.

Yes it is.

And there will be some growing pains,

but it's going to be fun as hell.

Hey, D Paris, don't call me out on crux of the wave.

I don't know the actual parts of the wave,

but crux was the word that came on the cross.

I think you're thinking of the crest.

Crest of the wave, sure.

There you go.

That's a real part of the wave.

All right, let's hear from Blackhawks head coach Jeff Lassel.

We're going to hear from Connor Bedard in a moment as well.

And we are, we got a little hit in the chat that he made.

It might have been a little salty today.

Wonder why?

Here's Jeff Lassel.

It seemed like for 50 minutes, it was really strong performance.

And then just, you know, set back a little too much

from maybe a little unlucky there at the end.

Yeah, I don't, you know, I don't think I'm

that big believer in luck overall.

Like I think, you know, that we played really good

for lots of the game.

I just thought we stopped kind of getting out of our zone clean.

So because of that, we were in our end for the last 10, 12 minutes maybe.

And it's just a hard way to play.

We just didn't get out clean when we had it.

I just thought we had optos to make a little more points play.

And we ended up ice in too many pucks.

I didn't think we gave up a whole bunch in that stretch,

but eventually they found a way, obviously, you know,

so guys stepping up into bigger roles.

I thought guys played good.

You know, I thought the whole D-Core played good.

You know, it kind of mixed in matching partners at times a little bit,

but I thought the whole crew played pretty good.

Again, I don't, I can't imagine we give up many great days in the game.

I think the chances ended up 15, 13 us,

but there would have been maybe five or less great days again.

So, you know, that's a positive for sure.

Again, you know, you just got to find a way to win it.

I feel like there's this, there having a decent number of games

that have been tied late or lost late this year.

Did you see any pattern in this?

Like you feel like they've learned things from that?

Or do you take away from that?

Well, there's probably always different lessons.

We certainly try to learn from every, you know, opportunity we can win or lose.

You know, I think we've definitely been in a lot of tight games,

which is a, which is a good thing in some ways.

I think sometimes it's, you know, finding that, you know, next goal,

you know, when you don't score really easy, like if you score a little bit easier,

if you find a way to score the third one,

and then the game's probably over and, you know,

and they happen to get one five and six, it's not as big a deal.

But, you know, we just, you know,

I don't know that there's any particular pattern.

I just think it's about us trying to continue to grow our game.

The Dard wearing the A that the Murphy vacated will not be for the rest of the year.

Yeah, he'll, he'll, he'll wear the A the rest of the year.

You know, I had given it to him earlier when we had injury issues.

I think he's earned it with his commitment to winning hockey.

And that's the biggest thing that, you know, I talked about today is,

he has to continue, you know, he's, he's very, very competitive.

He works hard every day.

He's got to continue to be committed to winning hockey and those are the ways that you lead.

And, so hopefully he can, he can continue to do that.

Thought on your gold tender, seemed like Spencer gave you every opportunity to win.

Yeah, I mean, I thought both Goli's probably played really good, to be honest with you.

We probably had the better chances.

I thought, you know, Connor, Halibut, kept him in probably in the first part of the game.

And then I thought Spencer did a good job kind of locking the door.

The last period there when we were kind of on our heels.

So not a both, both are, you know, elite Goli's in my opinion and the league.

So, you know, that they both did a good job.

All right, that is Jeff Flashle obviously disappointed after the loss,

a little update here from our buddy Ben Pope at the Sun Times.

Today was the ninth time this season.

The Hawks have allowed a game tying or game deciding goal in the last four minutes

of the third period.

All right, let's do some math here.

OK.

Montreal losing goal with 15 seconds left.

That's a regulation loss.

So let's call that a point.

Let's call that one lost point.

Anaheim, they won that day.

They win in OT.

So, but the tying goal was 36 seconds left.

So you still get those two points.

Devils tied the game with three minutes and 46 seconds left.

You lose an OT.

Do we have three minutes and 46 seconds?

That's a point that's a point you gave up.

Yep.

OK.

Seattle losing goal with two minutes and 18 seconds left.

That's a regulation loss.

Is that one point down?

Yeah, it's one point down.

OK, we'll play generous.

That's three points.

Vegas game tying goal with two minutes and 28 seconds left.

You lose an OT.

That's a loss point.

So that's one loss point.

Toronto regulation loss.

Losing goal was with three minutes left.

Is that another loss point?

Yeah, at least.

I think so.

OK.

Minnesota OT lost tying goal was scored with two minutes

and two seconds left.

So that's another loss point?

Yeah.

OK, up to six.

Nashville losing goal was scored with three minutes

and 14 seconds left.

That's regulation loss.

Are we giving another point to them?

Yep.

OK.

And tonight, over time lost tying goal with 39 seconds

left.

So that's another point.

Another point.

That's eight.

Have eight fingers up in the air.

If the Hawks had eight more points, they would have 65.

64 points.

Because they have 56 plus 8 is 14.

Yes, yes, they'd have 64 points.

They would be two points ahead of the sharks.

And they would be two points out of the wild card.

Vibes are a lot different.

Yep.

Absolutely.

And that's being generous.

Some of those games that go to OT were just, you know,

or regulation, they could have won them in overture.

Yeah, that's even more points potentially left on the board.

So I mean, yeah, it's a real deflator to have games like that.

But again, it comes with being a young team

and it comes with the growing pains of a rebuild process.

Like you got to be able to eventually learn and find ways to win.

And it's not all on the young guys.

They have veterans on this group that need to be able to, you know,

be the leaders in those moments and be the guys that can, you know,

aren't the ones that are making mistakes that lead to, you know,

late game time or game losing goals and everything like that.

So it's all, it's, it's a process.

And as people have said, this season is still on pace to be better

than the last, than last season, which was better than the season before.

Like that's all progress that we've been talking about.

And, you know, finishing with 70 to 75 points was kind of a realistic expectation.

And think above that felt pretty good.

They're still in that range where they can, they can finish with, you know,

in that point range.

And that's, that's the steps forward.

That's the steps forward that we've been wanting to see and talking about all years.

So as, you know, we've come back from the break and they've dropped three of four

in the fashion that they have.

It's deflating.

But I think the last two games were better than the first two coming back from the race.

And one was against Colorado.

And right.

And going into the break, they were playing really great.

So I think you just, you, you want to just kind of get back to stacking up good performances.

And even though this was a loss tonight and you did come away with a point,

it was a good performance.

But it's just, it feels like sour to try and like pull that out of it.

You have the silver lining out of it.

But the last two games, you've been good enough to win.

You got to win and you got to overtime in the other one.

Now you go up, you're now you come back home, you'll have a couple home games now.

Deadline will be over the next time they hit the ice.

So even though they'll have to go through it, that'll be done.

And you can just go to the end of the season.

Breathe a little bit.

Yeah, breathe a little bit.

Have about what it would be.

19 games left.

Yeah.

And just keep to stacking those good performances.

Don't let it snowball in the wrong direction.

All right.

Why don't we hear from the Black Hawk's newest alternate captain,

kind of a derby spoke after today's game.

Yeah, we see so we've got to find a way there.

For you, I mean, did it seem like another strong game,

but you continue to feel good yourself out of the bird?

Yeah, not bad.

It's not these things that could do better for sure.

Yeah, I thought we created some good chances,

but we could always do more.

I know you were earlier the season,

but now that's a little bit more permanent,

what's the meaning of that to you?

Yeah, no, it's great.

I think obviously, guys, like Murf, like Gikki, like Flea,

that we've been in for a couple of years now.

And it's nice to obviously, a lot of it

doesn't change anything that you do as a person or anything,

but obviously nice to be recognized like that.

And a lot of great players aboard it.

So, you know, it doesn't sound something

that anyone takes their game.

It's kind of a thought on your goal tender.

It seems like you gave your chance to win.

Yeah, that's what he does.

You know, I don't think there's a goal in the league

that has performed like him this year.

You know, every game we've been in, basically.

Both our goal has been great.

And, you know, it's frustrated.

And that adds, adds some frustration

because he's doing so much for us.

So, we want to help him get those, those wins, those results.

You feel like the game was going the way

you guys wanted for the most part until it's the week?

Yeah, I thought it was pretty good.

You know, we didn't give them too much.

The first, probably 50 minutes.

I mean, I think then, obviously they're pressing,

but we sit back a little bit.

I think, you know, when you're defending a lead

and you sit back, it's not a good recipe.

We want to try to get in there and cycle it and whatnot.

And, you know, I thought we sat back a little bit.

It's been a lot of overtime games this year.

Are there things you guys have learned about what works

and what doesn't in that format?

Yeah, I mean, you look at all, like,

it's just a little place.

It's, it's man on man.

So, it's hard to create too much on your own.

Turnovers here and there that lead to a chance,

lead to a goal.

Stuff like that.

Yeah, we got to find a way to win more of them,

but it's just, yeah, little things.

I mean, that sums it up right there.

I mean, he's sent, he said,

we've been saying for 48 minutes plus now.

It's those little things.

The man on man is a bit restrictive.

It sounded like there.

You can't generate a lot when you're a man on man

of the turnovers.

Yeah, in three on three.

Yeah. Because if you,

if you bust out of the zone to go make a play early

and leave your man.

You're screwed.

You're, you're really giving up an opportunity

to try and create one.

And if it doesn't go your way,

you've completely bifft your defensive assignment.

And it's, it's, it could basically fall to you.

So that makes sense to, you know,

to, to look at it that way.

But, um, you know, I, I think,

I think they had chances in the, in the overtime.

There was one play I forget who made the pass.

But I think it might have been Nasar.

He went, like, from board to board trying to hit

with a stretch pass in the offensive zone.

And I think it was just like off to his backhand.

And he couldn't corral it.

But if it was, if it was, you know, in his wheelhouse,

it's probably the end of the game.

But it was, it was, you know,

it's just those little small details.

Those little things.

Just being off by a couple, you know, feet on a pass

could be the difference in a win and a loss.

So it's, it's just those things that

as these guys continue to progress,

learn the game, learn how to win in the NHL.

Um, and mature and, and all that stuff.

They'll get there.

Yeah, I'm still very positive that they will get there,

uh, in their careers.

Well, not surprising.

Counter-bidard is our game day men's health game puck winner.

Two assists in this one played 1953.

Three shots on goal, four shot attempts had to hit.

Uh, one three and lost seven faceoffs.

The faceoffs have not been great since the Olympic break.

Maybe just trying to find that groove again.

Also, Winnipegs are pretty good face off team.

But the Hawks is a team.

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And as we predict it, our buddy,

Wendy City hockey was all over it.

Went back and ran the numbers.

Counter-bidard has worn the A for 11 games this season.

Uh, first one was that game against Calgary.

Where he had a hat trick in the 11 games.

In which counter-bidard has worn the A.

Eight goals and seven assists.

15 points in 11 games.

With the A on his chest.

Let's hope that trend continues.

15 divided by 11 times 82.

1.363 times 82 is 112 points.

That's fine.

That's pretty good.

That's a fine for year four.

We'll see it go up when front Ellen cancer off get here.

But you know, I want to go back.

Thank you, Wendy City hockey, by the way,

for crunching the numbers.

We appreciate that.

Pulling through for us.

Mark Lazarus said earlier tonight.

I think this was after the two one goal.

Counter-bidard is playing at a 43 goal.

54 assist pace over an 82 game season.

That is 97 points.

Sounds very...

No, obviously he missed.

Yeah, what was it? 13 games.

But still, like that's...

You talk about the change over from year two to year three.

And the expectations and the changes he made.

Like he's...

Even with the injury and even with the like,

kind of slump and even...

He is still...

Hitting, if not well above the expectations that

I think a lot of people have for him this year.

So, I'm glad you mentioned this because

I think you can frame the rebuild really easily in this way.

It took counter-bidard till year three

to reach anything close to what we all believed his potential was.

And when I say we, I mean,

everyone in the hockey world.

Draft analysts.

Big scouts, coaches, GMs.

Everybody knew, counter-bidard was going to be first overall in the 2023 draft

since probably 2020, right?

And it took him three seasons to reach

anything close to that potential.

We're talking about a guy who has been called generational.

That's been called the next

insert superstar player here.

It took him three years to get there.

So now we're talking about

a lot of young players.

Frayne Azar,

a little bit of a slump in year two,

has two goals since what Halloween or whatever it is.

Right?

You've got

ups and downs from Artem Lefzionov.

You've got young players

who are

learning at the NHL level

that did not have the pedigree

that counter-bidard had.

So it takes a guy, it takes a prospect

like Bidard

that long to get it.

I think it's safe to give a little bit of runway

to these other young players

that were picks in the top 20 or top 10 or whatever it might be

that were not deemed generational

that were not

Lefzionov.

It's not a consensus number two pick.

A lot of places had him around there, right?

Depending on taste.

But it was not like a foreground conclusion

and he was number two overall.

It just takes time

for the great.

It's very rare.

There's always people in here that are like,

doing things in this game that are historic.

He's up there with guys like Bobby Orr

and Dennis Potvin is like

shattering records of

these are Hall of Famers and he's up against

most goals as a teenage

defenseman in NHL history.

Yes.

So you can cherry pick your argument

against these picks and look.

All of this stuff.

Not every number one overall pick

is Mario Lemieux.

Not every number one overall pick

steps at Jack Hughes.

Wayne Gretzky.

Same person.

They don't step on the ice

and become the best player on

whatever team that they're being drafted to.

It doesn't always have...

Well, sometimes that's the case.

But I just mean like

they don't have that like

team on their back.

I'm the captain now kind of

ability.

And I don't think

of ability.

And I will say too,

as much as we've talked about

and understand that the rebuild

process is not

an overnight thing.

And Kyle Davidson has stuck

to his plan of building

from the draft and building

from within and making sure

that the future of the Hawks

is not squarely on

but our shoulders.

People have called for

those guys to basically

draft it and waited

for those guys to kind of come

through.

But Dard has been doing

what he's done through the first

three seasons.

Best teenage player.

The Black Hawks have ever seen

in franchise history.

Taking the step from year two to year three.

With the lowest quality of teammates

that you can track back to

McDavid and Crosby.

And I can understand why some people

do.

But I think it's part of the

discussion of what he's done

with the guys around him.

And imagine now

he's taking that next step.

And now the rest of the young guys

can start taking that next step.

And they all do it together.

And then that is

what next season is

I'm hoping what next season is

going to look like when we talk

about what we're going to look

like Frank serve all he's done

is we've done ours and all

of the months of this year.

We're kind of talking about like

what could next year be with

Frondelle and Cancer on all that

stuff.

It's going to be a really young team.

And all those guys are going to be

moving forward together now.

And that's what this is kind of all

been about.

That's what the off-ice

prospect camp became.

So let's build this culture of

from the from these prospects

and these young guys of like doing it

together doing it as as a group

and the amount of time a lot of

these guys have played in a rock

for it together and come up together

and you know had chemistry right

away in the NHL and you know

knowing each other from

playing a you know world juniors

together and playing and you know

playing in college and junior like

these guys just like all are able

to get into the N. H.

Challenge and here you all

figure it out now.

You're all 20 years old.

You think about the the Black

Ox teams of 2010 and 13 and 15

especially that 2010 team how many

of those guys had that experience

of like they were drafted in

0405 and they played on the

you know 06 norfolk admirals

and then played in rock for it in 07

and 08 and then came up and they

were on that 08 on 19 that

went further than anyone expected and then boom.

boom, they win the cup like they had that like come up together. Um, so they had that

like that atmosphere. And I think that that's a big thing that Kyle Davis is trying to

not replicate, but he's trying to have that similar experience for this group to kind

of like experience the rise together and and have the talent to do it. And so they are

a technique group like these, these, the young guys in the room, um, doc and more and

A's are in bedard and they are all tight. They all hang out. They're all very close. And

I think, you know, the prospects, what you're talking about, the prospect camp has gone

a long way in that where like you said, they're not punching each other, trying to impress

the coach. They're hanging out. They're going to know each other. They're doing off

ice stuff like the process is sound. We don't know what these guys are going to turn out

to be. But all you can ask for is a sound process and a, and a thorough scouting process.

And the Hawks have one of the biggest scouting staffs in the NHL. I don't think they're all

idiots. You know, a lot of people want former players to be part of it. Brian Campbell is

the assistant GM, uh, Kendall Cohen's goal field is on a development staff. Chris Kunis is

on a development staff. So on Frazier. Yeah. So there's, there are very accomplished

hockey players on the black Hawks staff to assist Kyle Davidson or whatever that might

be. And let's not forget too. Whatever you think of Sam Bowman, Kyle Davidson spent what

nine, 10 years before he was GM in the black Hawks working in hockey ops, working under

Sam Bowman and learning the ropes. He wasn't just pulled off the street. I know a lot of people

just heard of him when he was hired because he was so behind the scenes. But it's a guy who

paid his dues regardless of whether he played hockey or not. Yeah. He, I mean, he was assistant

GM at the time when they made that change. And then he was promoted to interim. And then

they took the interim tag off. It wasn't, yeah, it wasn't just like some, like you said,

some random guy that he'd been around the organization for a long time. All right. We're

going to wrap things up. We're going to want to say, oh, yeah, you did say Frank Nazar

hasn't scored since Halloween. He's got two goals. Yeah. That's right. That's Halloween.

Two since Halloween. Yes. Two. Of course. Uh, yeah, December 18th at Montreal in January

30th against Columbus, both in losing efforts. So it's easy to forget. And we are technically

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