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We've had Beaumarshanti on the show before.
Typically, this time of year,
the draft begins a month from tomorrow night.
It'll be here before we know it.
Washington will be on the clock at number seven
unless there is a trade sometime before then.
Beaumarshanti on ex.
He's with college2pro.com.
Welcome back to the show.
Always enjoy these draft conversations with you every year.
So let's just start with, where is this draft relative
to others?
Is it as bad at the top as people say?
I don't think it's as bad as the top.
I just, you know, the NFL is built on quarterback.
So we're not talking about, you know,
Michael Pannex, Bone Nix and all those guys
all going within the top like 12 picks of the draft.
So, you know, you're going to have Fernando Mendoza
going number one and then we're going to linger on
to the high symphony go somewhere in the mid-round
or does he slip the Friday night and around too.
So the quarterbacks are the generator.
They're the motor that runs the league
and without top quarterback guys, it kind of sounds quiet.
But I do think this draft, it wasn't loved at first,
but I think when you start to look at it
and as we kind of build towards April 23rd through the 25th
downtown Pittsburgh to 2026 NFL draft,
I think people are going to start to grow fondly of this crew.
Look, we're in a position for the first time in a while
last year as well.
We're quarterbacks not on our mind, fortunately,
because it was for decades.
But I am curious as to what you think of the quarterbacks,
because I was listening to something yesterday
where Dan Orlovsky at ESPN not only said he likes
Thai Simpson more than Mendoza, but he said he talked
to many teams that feel the same way.
Do you think it's close between those two?
Well, draft wise, I don't think it's close.
Is that fair enough?
I mean, we know Mendoza is going number one,
and I think it's fair enough that we don't know where Thai Simpson
is going to go.
It's hard to argue anything against Fernando Mendoza.
You know, you're talking about a guy who won the Heisman.
He brought Indiana football, not basketball, a title.
And when you're in the Hoosier land,
when you think of how are we going to win a national championship,
you're thinking of Bobby Nighton, Isaiah Thomas,
and the Hoosiers, you're not thinking about a football team,
but they did it, and they did it well,
and they dominated a lot of those games.
And it was the Heisman guy, and you know,
Mendoza did it.
You know, when I watch Mendoza,
I'm not convinced that he's the guy,
like an Andrew Rock, a Peyton Manning,
some of the guys that kind of get thrown into that elite level
as the guy, but it's hard to argue the results,
and that's where you get stuck in the judgment of that guy.
When I watched Thai Simpson, and even before we went live,
I was just kind of going through my notes of,
you know, what I have on him,
you know, he's a jitterbug in the pocket,
we got one year on him.
He reminds me of a Baker Mayfield,
a little bit jacked up on like, you know, Red Bull.
You know what I mean?
When you watch Thai Simpson, he's in the pocket,
he plays fast, he thinks fast,
and he has a cannon, when you watch it hit throw,
I mean, he can throw the football.
So, you know, I think it's what you're looking at
in terms of what teams desire, do you know,
do you want that big guy in the pocket, you know,
because man, those kind of fit that prototypical,
you know, hey, we want a guy above six, three,
we want a guy in the 220's, but he's above that.
And then you, in all the other prospects,
besides a few, you know, Thai Simpson, you know,
they're not the prototypical height weight,
what you want in that position, but I like Thai Simpson,
you know, in long term, I wish I knew,
if I knew, that I'd probably be working as a GM
for the NFL.
Yeah, of course.
I like both prospects, is that fair enough?
I don't think any of these guys,
I don't consider them elite, they could become elite,
but if you tell me either one of these guys,
we know what, I'll tell you this, Kevin.
I think if one of them fails,
I would think man does the spells before Simpson fails,
but that makes sense.
Boomer bust, I think that, you know,
I think Simpson is just an intriguing prospect
because, you know, one year, you always just think,
what if this guy has more development?
And we know, and you know this as well.
And I love coming on your podcast,
because you're so intelligent about all this draft stuff
and the insight that goes into it.
You know, it takes a team, a coaching staff,
a quarterback, a quarterback coach,
to help develop these guys.
And if they find that, then you're in a good spot.
I'll tell you the thing that I love about Mendoza,
is I just think he is so accurate as a thrower.
Oh.
I mean, and that is something that, you know,
if you don't have it naturally,
Mike Shanahan used to tell me this all the time,
with throwing with anticipation and accuracy,
or the two things that you better have naturally,
because you can coach, you can coach it up to good,
but if it's not naturally there, it'll never be elite.
And I think his accuracy is elite, am I wrong?
No, you're not wrong.
And this is the only thing that scares me on
Fernando Mendoza, is when I watch this tape,
I see a guy that's very clean in the pocket.
And that's what makes me nervous is,
in the NFL, the pockets may not be that clean.
Like, we assume he's going a lot to Vegas.
He's going to be the Raiders starting quarterback.
How well are they going to be being able to protect him?
And that's where I get nervous.
But, you know, that's, I guess, you know,
at this point, we're trying to break down,
you know, what they can't do, how they can succeed,
and all those other things.
But I mean, there's certain guys like Mendoza.
I mean, you talk about a Cinderella story
about coming from Cal, going to Indiana,
and even going from Cal to Indiana.
He's not going from Alabama to a house date.
He's still going, and this is no, you know,
insult for these.
But, you know, we know who the powerhouses
of collegiate college football are,
and Indiana and Cal aren't those schools.
And if Fernando Mendoza was that guy,
then all those schools would have, you know,
signed him and brought him in on NAO cash.
His demeanor, the way he presents himself,
and he asked me, maybe he's almost like a nerdy,
eight-manning.
Yeah.
You know, like, but you love it because he is all football.
He's 100% doubt in, and that's a huge asset to have.
Listen, I want Mendoza to succeed.
I want all the quarterback to succeed,
because there's nothing worse about watching football
on a Sunday, especially on Thursday night.
We always get those Thursday night games where you look
at the schedule like who's playing, you're like,
oh, it's incredible how each team cannot have a quarterback
for 17 weeks with that schedule, but we find it.
And I hope these guys succeed, because you want,
you want to see Borough, and Mahomes, and Allen,
and Omar Jackson, and all the elite
quarterbacks in the NFL plan.
And if these guys become those guys,
it just makes better for us to enjoy the game we love.
Who's the best overall player in the draft?
Yeah, I hate going with school positions,
because this seems like a cliche answer.
But I really think if you've watched Jeremiah Love
out of Notre Dame, and you don't even listen,
my favorite part about watching Jeremiah Love
is not all the awesome things he does
when he's running or catching out of the backfield.
If you watch this man half-block against guys,
it is a treat.
There's not too many times you throw on the tape,
and you just watch a guy, and you sit in admiration
of the physicality, and this is what I love about him.
When you go in that demeanor, the way he puts his effort
into it, that's in his DNA that he wants to be vicious.
He wants to be a bulldog.
He wants to attack you.
You're not going to even get to the quarterback
with that guy.
And the last guy really saw Blockback that,
and I don't know if he gets enough recognition for it,
because he ran the ball so well,
it was Zeke Elliott for the Cowboys.
You go back and watch Zeke Elliott
pass block for the Cowboys.
Even in the final days, he was average in 3.1 yards per carry.
But I tell you what, if they sent a blitz
and he had a protect act press got,
he was doing it with the vengeance,
and that's Jeremiah Love.
And again, we could get all into the nuances of,
I was actually on a program yesterday,
and they said, describe this, the pop pen.
And I was like, I said boom and bust at first,
but I kind of felt awkward saying that
after I reflected on it,
because there's a lot of guys that I like.
But I do think like Jeremiah Love,
I would feel most secure with him.
Even man does it because quarterback,
et cetera, the position you got to surround them,
and it has to be so many ingredients for them to succeed.
You know, I think it's a little bit easier
to find a gap and hand it off to an elite running back,
like Love.
So I think my number one guy would be Love.
If you ever want to watch some vicious past protecting
as a running back, go back and watch Clinton Portis
here in Washington, especially on the Gibbs teams,
he was a Sunday gamer and up for anything,
and he was vicious as a past protector.
So for me and my listeners are hearing you say
that Love is the top prospect on the board,
and they're saying he disagrees with you, Kevin,
and I'll just tell you what I think.
I really like the player.
I think Seven's too high,
because I don't see him as Bijan Robinson.
I don't see him as Christian McCaffrey.
And if I'm gonna take a running back, you know,
at number seven, if he's there for Washington,
I need to know I'm getting a true game-changing
elite level back.
I've compared him to Josh Jacobs,
but with much better speed,
which by the way is an excellent NFL back.
And I think he will be that,
but who's the comp for you?
Like, do you see him as super elite?
Number one in the draft could mean he's just number one
in this draft.
It may not mean that he's super elite,
but I want you to describe it.
Do you think he's at that Bijan McCaffrey, you know,
sake one level?
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You know, that's a great point.
That's why I love talking with you
because you do your homework.
I wouldn't say, you know, he's just not that type of player.
And, yeah, so I look at a different type of guy
when I watch him run the football.
When I watch him run the football,
we could bring up a Jermior Gibbs and Bijan
and the elite guys that are in the league right now.
As he's, I don't know, but on the flip side,
I don't think those guys are him in terms of the physicality
and the force that he can bring to a team.
And when you, you know, and then you add in the path
blocking and he can catch a football.
And I think, you know, you look at Jagerian Price
from Notre Dame.
He's gonna be the second one.
He could just, you know, you gotta think of Arbor,
and Cadillac Wilson's and Cardinal Williams.
Williams, yeah, yeah.
For the last time you had a duo go in like the top 10
or whatever and whatever draft that was.
But these guys are that talented, different,
but talented and I think they fed off each other.
You know, like, you know, Price is a different,
you know, he's like almost a Traveyor in Henderson
from off state.
He's a big play guy.
You know, it'd take him a couple of places
to rip off the 70 yards.
It's not that type of game for Jeremiah Love.
You know, he's more of that traditional back, if you will.
And, you know, the NFL may not be going to the arts
to trend, but, you know, he's the guy that, you know,
you could give him the ball at 25 times.
He's gonna just work out a diva or, you know,
you could pass him ball in basketball.
So, I think this draft, I'm glad you brought this up.
This particular draft, I do, I think Jeremiah Love
is that guy, but like, even a man does it.
Like, I want to put what man does on a Prever Lawrence.
And I was in a Trevor Lawrence guy coming out.
I didn't like anything about Trevor Lawrence coming out.
And in terms of, you know, what he was considered
as the number one pick and bring the next protege
or the football and the best, you know, guy
that they saw in a decade, I didn't think that.
But I think the draft class with man Doza and Love
and then, you know, I'm not high on the whole state.
I'm not gonna like him.
The whole state guys freak me out, you know,
I know Avalre's and Sunny Stiles,
they tested out Caleb Downs, tested well.
But, you know, I just think if you're that great on defense,
with those type of superior talents,
how do you even lose two games?
And they played good teams.
They played Indiana, so you could say
where they played the team that won it all.
And Miami, you know, the who they played.
But nonetheless, you know, we all know how steak, you know,
if you're playing cards, you're playing spades.
They have every card that you want.
They have all the winning cards.
They are the winning hand and they lost twice.
So, this draft class, I think, compared to others,
I wouldn't say to Lee from top, you know,
like at the top top, but I think we're gonna find
hair throughout it.
You know, it's the more I delve into it.
And I'm not gonna lie.
There's nothing worse than, I even go with my notes.
I just wanted to kind of refresh my mind.
I was about six prospects in, these are elite guys, I was in.
And I finally got the Rubin Bain Jr. from Miami.
And my notes, I was like, this is the first guy I watched
were immediately for me.
And that doesn't say, because I like it, you know,
it's factual, but there was a first guy that I watched
on tape that it's like, okay, this guy is, yeah.
Like I, you know, I mean, and it's boring.
It's kind of sad when you're watching tape
and you want guys to flash and you keep, you know,
you keep looking like, what am I missing,
what am I missing, what am I missing?
But sometimes that happens and, you know, that's you.
I mean, you, you know, you do this
and you know, you know as much as anybody else.
And you know, there's some guys that you say,
hey, I saw this from the day one,
I knew this guy was gonna be good.
And there's other guys that you missed
and you just don't see it and it takes time
and it comes out and you're like, okay, you know what?
Now I see what I was missing,
but I think that's evident.
Listen, me and you do radio and media.
These teams have spent millions of dollars.
They got scouts across the nation,
fucking the head coaches.
They know all the insight that we'll never know
and they'll still go through the board
right in the name down in the first round,
your Marcus Williams Raiders.
Sign into a big contract.
We trust.
Yeah.
No, they get it wrong two thirds of the time
and they get paid millions to do it.
You know, thinking about that
and I want to come back to Bane in a moment.
But in recent years,
what was the player that you were convinced
you were right about?
One way or the other, great or not great.
You know, this guy's gonna be greater,
this guy's gonna be a bust
that you were dead wrong about.
What's the one that comes to mind?
Right when you said it, Johnny Manzel,
I was down at the combine
and I was getting yelled out by people.
From big plumber,
but yeah, I want that on my grave.
You know, I just knew.
And it's hard doing it being in this business where...
You thought he was gonna be great.
No, I thought he was gonna be awful.
Oh, okay, so you've got that one right.
Yeah, that's the one I got right.
Okay.
We'll put it this way.
Packed an inch for the Broncos.
If I was a GM,
I would have gave you three ones for Pax and Lynch.
So I'm just going to give you a...
I don't want to act like I'm some GM.
No, no, no, no.
I mean, of course you've got misses.
I was curious about the miss.
So that's a good one.
Pax and Lynch, you would have given up three ones for him.
He was one big strapping dude, wasn't he?
You know, it was part, you know how it is.
It's kind of like having a crush on the girl in high school.
Like, you still give up three ones.
I'm like, I'll still give you a fit.
You can still do it.
Yeah, both.
He's not even in the league.
I'm like, I don't care.
No, I believe we can change it.
We can get the mechanics right.
We can get a footwork right.
But yeah, but that's the fun of it.
You see different things, but I loved Pax and Lynch.
I loved Pax and Lynch.
I despised Johnny Mandel.
And I got one right.
And I typically would have...
If you called me and be like,
but we want three ones.
A Luke Keekley.
I'll give you three ones.
A Luke Keekley.
That's pretty good.
That's a pair of a lot of banners gave off for a bright shot.
Yeah.
So back to the edges.
You know, Washington signed a Daffy O.A. chase on.
They were active in free agency.
They had a terrible defense last year.
And they had a lot of holes to fill defensively.
You know, since the season ended, you know,
a lot of us have been focused on,
all right, we'll barely be there.
We'll respy there.
We'll bain be there.
Give me your, like, by the way, you're right, man.
Of all the guys, the only other guy that went in watching him
to me constantly pops as, oh my God,
this guy's so good.
In addition to Bain is Bailey.
Like he was literally unblockable at times.
He and Jacob's both for Texas Tech.
But give me your rankings of the edges.
Listen, I think if Washington could get Bailey,
Bailey's my one.
Bailey is your one, okay.
Yeah, and Bain's my two.
Got it.
And I think from there, and I have so much skepticism
about everybody after that one.
And you know, you watch it.
When you watch Bailey, I mean, just just,
I mean, active feed, he's clean and traffic.
I mean, he's just such a good player.
And you watch him.
There's no plays off in the same thing with Bain.
I mean, I was fortunate enough to see Bain play a bit.
You know, you match that, it's just an intensity.
They always factor into it.
And I could go the other way with like Arvdell Reese.
I mean, you go on the Texas tape beginning of the season.
You're seeing the guy getting golfed.
You know what I mean?
You got off at the lima just bottom of a ball.
Now when you give him free space, yeah, he is elite.
We know that by because how athletic is he?
But when you're at the next level,
you're not getting guys from Purdue and Illinois.
You're getting the guys from the Rams.
And the Patriots and the Broncos.
Like, these are professionals.
So I just thought Bailey and Bain are my top two guys.
And I'm not going to lie.
Like, those are my, like, I just feel confident.
And you know, I felt the same way saying this
about facts and lynch on the opposite side.
I said, you know, about the dismissal of Johnny Manzel.
But like, I love David Bailey.
I think he's, like, to me, he's like, sure fire can't miss.
And I think Ruben Bain's the same way.
I mean, just use their body types.
They're built for the NFL.
They're built for the longevity.
The short arms, the short arms and Bain don't bother you.
No, I don't, I don't even listen.
There's enough guys with long arms over the years
where, you know, look at Sam Mills
for the same, the linebacker.
There was nothing he had athletically
that you said he fits the prototypical status quo
of what guys want.
And that, you know, like some guys are the outliers.
You know, that's why we all have numbers.
You know, you want the, you know, and I loved, I do.
I loved the way that they, the combine this year
where they really tried to project that.
I did enjoy that.
You're like, okay, this is this guy, height, weight speed.
But, you know, I taught the several scouts
and this is during the CJ Stroud thing
because I had such a hard time of looking at a half day
quarterbacks because, you know, you looked at, you know,
12 prior, you look at Cardo Jones, you, you know,
you looked at, you know, all these guys.
And then CJ Stroud comes around.
I remember being at the combine.
Like, can I, can I look at the school
and the way they develop guys
or do I have to look at the prospects specifically?
And they, and you know, the guy that I talked to,
they told me you got to look at the prospect specifically.
But even then, I was hesitant.
I'm not going to lie because I'm like, you know,
you develop guys, you know, look it.
I mean, Oregon had the long, you know, Dennis Dixon,
all the quarterbacks being read, Justin Herbert.
And, you know, so like, I, you know, there's a development.
And I, I just think that those two guys on the, you know,
I, I think of Washington, you know, land those guys.
And I, and I, you know, I, I love Caleb Downs, the safety, you know,
I mean, you know, you want to bring that.
He's got, nobody's going to ever be Sean Taylor.
We know that.
We just, you know, but, but if you could bring a guy
back at that position that brings a lot of talent.
And I mean, you know, I, I, I, I brush what I've watched.
Caleb Downs tape. He's that good.
So I think if Washington could land Bailey Bane or Downs,
I think you guys would be on the right, you know, trajectory.
But you feel the same way about love, like if love got to seven,
you feel like that would be, he'd be worthy of Washington
selecting him there.
Yeah. Yeah.
But if the jet, if the jet's been, it's keep brief haul as a franchise,
I think the jet, I don't think he gets past the pain this
for.
Yeah. It'll be interesting.
What do you think of Delane, the corner of LSU,
is seven to high or not?
Oh, no.
Oh, you're, you, now you're really pushing my button.
Listen, once or Delane, I listen, I love once or Delane.
I would take him above of the other three guys I always
gloated about.
Yeah, LSU, defensive factory.
Just go down the list.
I mean, you want to pipeline to the National Football League,
coming out of a SEC school elite talent.
Now, you watch him.
He has all the ingredients to be a guy that just locked down
Derek Stingley, you know, type thing who went three.
Yeah, if they go that route, yeah, fantastic talent.
If he doesn't go to top 10, I'd be blown away, blown away,
because there's always a defensive back that kind of gets
in there.
And you look at the pedigree of that school,
his personal talent, yeah, it'd be a shocking to me
if once or Delane gets.
And if he doesn't, if he gets past Washington,
the Chiefs are definitely the team.
You fear they lost track, McDuffie.
They traded the serious need a couple of years ago.
They're in a deficit on the back end.
So I think, I have me personally,
I think the Chiefs are crossing their fingers
that Delane gets there.
But if he goes to Washington, yeah, he's in there.
I mean, we're just talking about position guys.
But yeah, Delane is, yeah, I put it this way.
If I could take forward, down, Delane, Bayley or Bane,
I'm taking Delane.
Thanks for doing this.
Always enjoy it.
Enjoy the next month and the build up to it.
We'll talk next year around the same time.
Thanks a lot.
All right, anytime you need me, let me know.
Omar Shanti, everybody, always fun to have him on the show.
When we come back, the guy that I would just
absolutely love to see Washington add on night two,
I doubt he'll be there at 71.
But this player deserves to be drafted much higher
than he's being projected.
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