Bob Saget’s Widow Feared Her Late Husband Wouldn’t Want Her To Date Again

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host of the podcast Comfort Food.

We are here with Kelly Rizzo.

Welcome.

Joan, thank you for having me.

I'm so glad we're here.

Well, I am excited to be here for, first of all, to be talking to you.

Also, we are here for the iHeart Music Awards in Los Angeles.

I have never been to this.

I've watched on TV.

I'm always amazed by how many stars you can fit in one auditorium.

Have you been here before?

I have not.

This is my first time.

I've seen the red carpet and stuff like that.

I'm really excited.

I know.

I know.

We get to be a part of it.

Picking out my outfit today was like a lot of pressure.

I don't know if you felt the same way, but I looked at the red carpet.

I did.

There's before and I was like, oh god, this is a lot of pressure.

But the nice thing about it is you can kind of do what you want.

You can kind of get away with anything.

And see your elegant, wild, casual, elegant, formal, very...

I think that made it harder.

Yeah, I was just like, you know what?

I think I'm just going to be me.

And this feels like me.

This feels good.

I know.

I've seen kind of people walking around the hotel.

There's a lot of people in this hotel that are going to the awards.

And I just saw BTS.

Oh, did you feel it?

I just saw Heather DiBrow walk by.

And she had the most beautiful black suit on.

And I was like, oh, that's so classy and elegant.

See?

And now I feel like I like that.

I should go put on something else.

You look stunning.

That's the first thing I said when I walked in.

I was like, oh my gosh, you look beautiful.

Thank you for saying that.

But now I feel kind of frumpy because she looks so like stylish.

And then they look like, yeah, you look very fancy.

You look very fancy.

And now I look frumpy.

And does she look frumpy?

I mean, come on.

Well, we're here to talk about something not so elegant and fun

as the I Heart Music Awards.

We're here to talk about something that we kind of have in common.

Yeah.

We are both in the club that really no one wants to be in.

We're both widows.

Yeah.

And I want to talk to you about your relationship.

So Kelly, tell us about our listeners a little bit about your

late husband, Bob Sagitt.

Everybody knows who Bob Sagitt was because as we were growing up,

we all watched him portray Danny Tanner on Full House.

I feel like he was part of my household when I was growing up.

And the show never goes anywhere.

It's amazing.

How did you guys meet?

And how long were you guys me read?

He found me the old fashioned way on Instagram.

He's literally slid into my DMs.

The 10-year anniversary of that is coming up in like a week.

It's funny that you have that 10-year anniversary.

Like that's like a special moment.

It's not like a way.

I can go back and find the very first message.

He sent me.

And I was a little like, that's weird.

He's not on my radar.

It seemed a little...

Did you know who he was?

Of course.

Of course.

You're younger than me.

So he might not have been in your household.

Of course.

Of course.

So when Full House came out, I was like eight.

Yeah.

But...

Yeah, 1987.

I was eight.

And...

But then, you know, I watched America's Funniest Home Videos.

I get my grandma's house on Sundays.

You know, when I was 10 or 12 or whatever.

And...

So I knew who he was.

But then there was a big gap that I...

He wasn't really on my radar.

And then...

You know, I knew he had some like edgier comedy.

But then I just...

You thought you'd give him a chance.

I...

Yeah, but kind of his friends at first, because he's still...

He was a lot older.

He was 23 years older.

He wasn't really my type, typically.

But then he kind of charmed me.

And he was just so wonderful.

I'm like, how can I not give this guy a chance?

And he was very...

I would say like persuasive, but not invasive.

That makes sense.

Okay, yeah.

He didn't come on too strong, but he was like, I like you.

I would like for this to be a thing.

And if you don't, I understand.

But if you do, let me know.

And then finally, I was like, all right, fine.

I do.

You can't fake it anymore.

You're going to be that direct.

I don't have to answer.

Exactly.

And so then 10 months later, I moved L.A. from Chicago.

Oh, you were living in the same town.

Yeah, we were long distance for 10 months.

So I always wonder about that.

So when I went on the Golden Bachelor and then all of a sudden,

like I had men sliding into my DMs.

And they were all for so...

So a few of them lived in a reasonable distance from where I lived.

I lived in Maryland right outside of DC.

And so I kind of said no to all of them.

I'm like, I don't see this working.

It seems like it would be really hard to have a casual date

if you had to get on a plane to fly there.

So I never did anything, but you did.

You were brave and you did it.

But you had a little background on him.

You knew he was.

I know he was not.

You know, some rando.

Yeah.

I could find out that he was not a serial killer.

And we...

You know, he travels a lot.

I travel a lot.

So it worked out.

We saw each other maybe every two to three weeks.

Okay, pretty often.

Yeah.

A lot.

And then I moved L.A.

And then a year and a half after that, we got married.

And then we were married for like three and a half years before he passed.

So together for six years total.

Six years total.

Yeah.

His passing was so sudden.

Yeah.

My husband, his passing was long.

He had cancer and I had him with me for two years after he was diagnosed.

I have a hard time figuring out how in the world you process that.

Can you tell me what your journey looked like?

I know this is hard to talk about.

But I feel like whenever I talk about it, it helps other people.

So I think these conversations are important.

And obviously you have a podcast that you do this all the time.

Yeah.

Here I am asking you.

I'm sorry.

No.

We don't put each other very well, but to be this invasive.

No.

We're in this bad club together.

So we might as well join together.

It feels like you have an instant connection with somebody who's experienced the loss of a spouse.

Yeah.

And I do say, you know, whether you lost your spouse to a long illness or suddenly,

I don't want to say pros, but there are like kind of pros and cons to both.

I feel the same way.

You know, because you never want to see somebody sick and suffer.

But also you have a chance to like get your affairs in order.

You have a chance to say goodbye, whatever that looks like.

Yeah.

You at least have an opportunity to talk about what the future will be like.

You know, and Bob and I didn't have a chance to do that.

No, you didn't.

You know, I have no, like, about dating again.

It's like to me, Bob would have been like, how dare you?

Absolutely not.

Like you never, ever, ever, you were going to live in an attic and be alone for the rest of your life.

And so part of me is almost like happy.

We didn't have that conversation because like what?

But of course, everyone's like, no, he would want you to be happy.

That's true.

But I actually just did a full episode of my podcast on a minute by minute account of what it was like that day that I found out.

It was called the day my husband died.

And because it really is an interesting thing to kind of go through that dynamic of what that experience was actually like.

And it is, you know, it was gut wrenching to go through it again and relive it, but at the same time.

And I don't know if you feel this, but it's very cathartic for me to even feel sad.

Because then if I feel sad, then I feel connected to him and I feel closer to him.

I'm like listening to this conversation, what you're saying.

And I'm like, you were saying all the things that I felt and it's funny how we had very different experiences.

My husband was sick for, you know, for whole two years.

But I remember the day he passed away every minute of it.

Like it is, it is in my brain, in my mind, I can't get rid of it.

It is just, I remember them carrying him down the steps on the stretcher with him covered up.

I remember every single second of that day.

And it sounds like you could relive it a minute by minute.

And there's very few days in my life that I can relive a minute by minute, but that is one of them.

I just heard somebody, and now for some reason I cannot remember who this was.

But like two days ago, I heard somebody talking about grief.

And they said that the day they lost their person, like the whole day is a complete blur.

And they remember every single second.

It's true. It's weird. It's so true.

It feels like you remember every single second, but it also feels like a dream.

It's not real.

I feel like I was floating above my body.

Yes. Yes.

I felt like I was there, but I just, I could hardly connect to anybody.

Right.

Anything really weird.

I remember everything, but then some things are kind of fuzzy.

Like I look back.

I was like, who was the first person to show up in my house?

Was it this person or this person?

But for the most part, I remember it well.

And yeah, when you lose somebody suddenly,

it's very, very, very traumatic in the sense that that PTSD of that loss in an instant

stays with you.

And to this day, my boyfriend Brecken, if I can't get a hold of him for five minutes,

the worst thing happened.

You know, it's like I go right back.

You do.

I go full on right back to that feeling.

I wish I could like self-soothe my way out of it,

but I haven't yet figured out how to get past that.

I totally get it.

There's days I think about John passing,

and it takes my breath away.

Like I almost can't breathe.

Like it feels that intense still.

And I think it's like a little PTSD.

I think we need to get hypnotized or something.

I don't know what it is.

Oh, that would be amazing.

I think we need to do something because it's so painful.

Yeah.

And it's exhausting to like put yourself through this.

And something's a better.

But some days it just hits me like it happened just today.

And what has it been?

Five years.

Is this five years in January?

January what?

January 18th.

Oh, okay.

Bob was January 9th.

Oh, jeez.

Four years.

Four years.

So we're close in the whole of the journey.

And you're just a year ahead of me.

A little bit ahead of you.

Something really struck me that you said that Bob would have said,

no, don't date.

Your mind forever is kind of like the message I heard.

And John, the week before he passed away, I remember it perfectly.

He was laying down in the sofa.

He could hardly sit up.

He was so weak.

He had pancreatic cancer.

And I was sitting kind of like in the crook like right here.

And he took my hand and he said, I want you to find somebody and get married again

and have a relationship.

And I said, oh, my God.

I said, I am not having this conversation with you.

I said, you are not going anywhere.

I had my mind.

He was going to live.

He weighed 120 pounds and it had been dying for two years.

I still thought he was going to make it.

I said, I'm not having this conversation with you.

I was like, you're not going anywhere.

You're not leaving me.

We're not doing this.

And he passed away a week later.

And I thought back on that conversation about two years later when I was thinking,

is this what my life is going to be?

Am I going to be a widow at 58 and never have anything more?

And that conversation was such a gift because I felt like he was giving me permission to date again.

So I didn't have any guilt.

Wow.

And you're like, what am I going to date?

I'm going to go on a match.

Why was such a failure dating normally?

I'm going to do a big one.

Yeah.

I'm going to do a bimbo show.

I'm going to go all out.

Yeah.

See, I don't.

The Bob I knew would have been like, absolutely not.

It means you didn't love me.

I'm jealous.

How could you, you know?

But, but that's the only Bob I knew.

So I have to now separate and I always call it like earthly Bob from heavenly Bob.

You know, earthly Bob would have been like, absolutely not.

No, no, no, heavenly Bob.

Heavenly Bob.

I want to be happy.

But I got that message from his daughters, from his best friends.

They talked into it a little bit.

They gave me their blessing.

Yeah.

They're like, he would want you to be happy.

And I was like, are you sure?

And I'm like, yes.

And I'm like, all right, if the closest people to him give me their blessing.

Yeah.

And then he'd be okay with it, meaning I'm okay with it.

It's easy to look at somebody and be like, your life must be so sick.

Man, you have no f***ing clue.

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I got really good advice talking kind of to this whole thing.

You kind of got permission from these people.

I was on the Golden Bachelor and I was really struggling.

Pretty far through my season, I was probably halfway through my season

and there's a psychiatrist or a therapist on the show

and she came into my room, Dr. Adrienne.

I will love her forever.

I still speak to her.

And she said, I said, I'm really struggling with this.

I said, I don't think I can do this.

I think I still love John.

She goes, I said, how can I love somebody else and still love John?

And she goes, of course you can.

Now she said, picture it as two balloons.

She said, John is in this hand.

And he's this balloon and you could still love him.

And you can have another balloon in this hand.

And it's okay.

There's room for you to have both of them.

And I was like, I can still love him and still get this one.

And that just kind of gave me this freedom.

I was like, okay, I need to tackle this in a different way.

And that's what I will always love John.

You will always love.

Yeah.

And that's what I've been saying is that the loves are totally independent.

Sometimes I'll feel guilty because I'm so happy now in my relationship.

And I'm like, I love you so much.

But then I'm like, doesn't that mean that I'm a bad wife?

I'm a bad wife to Bob, you know?

But it's like, no, you can love one person with all your heart and love another person with all your heart.

And they're different.

Yep.

And they can live side by side simultaneously.

Yeah.

And they don't cancel each other out.

You're more mature than I, because I couldn't figure that out until somebody told me.

You, I think you're more emotionally connected to this than I ever was.

But I got good advice.

So have to say, because I also have a person now.

So I'm, I'm so lucky.

We're both really, really lucky.

I know that those, you know, days and years right after Bob passed away.

You and I probably had the same experience.

And for everyone listening, let's tell some of the worst things that people should avoid saying to someone

when they are grieving the loss of a loved one.

Because there are some bad ones out there.

I don't know if you, I could tell you probably the worst ones that I remember hearing.

Yeah.

I remember that because I strangely didn't get a lot of really bad comments,

or at least not from people I know.

And there were some ways that people like weren't as helpful,

but I don't really have any bad, like, I mean,

what I've heard other people say are things like, oh, he's in a better place now.

Yeah, I had to, yeah, but he's not here and I missed him here.

This was a great place.

Maybe somewhere better.

Yeah.

But I feel like crap.

But it doesn't make me feel better.

Because I'm sad.

Yeah.

Because I feel like crap now.

Or like, you know, oh, like, I can't.

People do say I'm sure like, oh, you'll get over it.

But it's like, yeah, you don't.

You'll feel better.

It takes some time.

And you will.

But like, people don't want to hear that in the moment.

I feel like I'm trying to feel better.

I feel different.

I still think it's really painful, but it doesn't.

It's like not in a stabbing pain.

It's a dull pain, like, or, you know, it just, like, each day is different.

It's not as take your breath away.

I can't stay composed.

I'm living it now as opposed to suffering through it.

Yeah.

Yeah, it becomes different.

I feel like the one thing that struck me out a lot was that people kind of avoided me.

And I remember people saying, I just avoided you because I didn't know what to stay.

That's crazy.

Yeah, I'm like, boy, that makes it worse.

Well, I probably, I'm sure there were people, like, once I finally went through loss,

because I'd never really lost anybody before.

It's like grandparents.

Yeah.

And you're so young that you certainly, I mean, I guess you probably thought Bob was going to pass away before you did,

because you had a big age difference, but certainly not.

Right.

You're still super young.

Yeah.

So, you know, I was just very, very, very sad, but at the same time, I had so much gratitude, like, right after,

he passed because, you know, he wasn't 20.

Like, he lived this full, beautiful, amazing life and truly made the world a better place.

And he had these incredible kids that he saw grow up.

You know, so he, it was like well done.

So, like, good job.

You did a great job here.

You lived a great life.

He lived this beautiful life.

And so, I was so grateful that I got to be a part of it.

And I, the one thing that people that I remember, and I don't fault him for this,

because I love him so much.

And he's the best, best, best friend.

But Jeff Ross said to me at Bob's funeral, he goes,

he goes, Kell, you got robbed.

You got robbed.

Yeah.

And I remember it is funeral.

Yeah.

After he died, I was like, no, I didn't.

No, I didn't.

Yeah.

It's like, I did not get robbed.

Like, what a blessing that I got to be in his life for six years instead of,

oh, it's not fair, woe is me, life sucks.

It's not fair that I didn't have him longer.

You have a great attitude.

Yeah.

And I don't, like, I don't really know where it came from,

because I didn't necessarily think that I would have been so positive about it,

but it just kind of happened.

I'm like, I'm not going to let this turn me into like a bitter,

miserable person.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah, that was good.

I think it's like, kind of maybe who you were before is also who you are after grief,

you know, but that was one of the things that somebody said to me that I was like, no, no.

No.

No, I'm not going to accept that one.

But he met well by it.

I totally get what he was like.

Yeah.

And like, you should, you're just a poor, you should have more.

Yeah.

This is just the beginning of your journey.

Exactly.

Yeah, it was too quick.

Do you ever get any messages from Bob since he's passed?

Do you ever have a feeling he's there or he's sending you something?

I had like one or two, one I've talked about before, it's a little hard to explain,

but there was this little wooden figurine that he had on his nightstand for years,

like right by our bed that his daughter had given him.

It was really special to him.

It was this like very unique, special little wooden figurine.

And when after Bob passed and I had to look for a new home, I felt really bad about it

because I was like, I felt like I was abandoning him.

I had to move and I was leaving him.

So the house that you lived in together had meaning and you didn't want to leave it.

We had to, we had to sell it.

So when I found a new house, I was really conflicted about it, but I knew I had to,

but still I was very conflicted.

And this one house that I looked at that I, I was like, I think I'm really going to like this house.

I walked in and the first thing I saw was the same exact little wooden figurine on the mantle.

And it's like not, not a common one.

It's not like a GI Joe.

Like this is a very unique like artisan craft thing.

And there's like, that's weird.

Oh my gosh.

And I just started crying.

I was like, this is the house.

This is the house.

You were done.

Yeah.

And I felt like, okay.

He sent you this.

He sent you this.

Yeah.

This house has a nice little blessing over it.

Yeah.

So you have, I do have them every once in a while too.

It feels comforting.

I remember that for the first year, I really had no signs from John.

And I was mad at him.

Yeah.

I was like, you like left me here alone.

Yeah.

Like send me a sign.

Like, so no, you're okay.

And I just didn't get one for a really long time.

On the other hand, my daughter did.

And she would tell me, she's like, yes, I'll dad this morning.

I'm like, where are she?

She's like, she's like, this hawk.

It comes to her house.

Like, right outside of Big City, right outside Washington, New Zealand.

We don't have hawks flying around our neighborhood.

She's like, hey, it comes every morning and sees us.

She goes, I stand out in the deck and I see him.

He comes around every morning.

I'm like, he probably has a nest there or someplace, but okay.

And then I got that.

I remember we were on, so my husband was very bald.

And from chemo was part of it.

He was also like, he was balding even before that.

So we were on the way to the cemetery.

It was the one year anniversary of his passing.

And all my kids, I have four kids and they're all grown.

And we were on our way to the cemetery to visit him that day.

Bring flowers.

And up above was a bald eagle.

Like flying.

Like flying above us on like a highway.

Like we were going like 70 miles an hour down this highway.

The bald eagle was just kind of leading us there.

Oh, wow.

And my dad, you don't see those every day.

You really don't.

Like I don't think I'd ever seen a bald eagle to be honest before.

And my oldest son was in front.

He was in his car.

And he's like, mom, do you see them?

I'm like, see what?

He's like, the bald eagle.

And I'm like, looking up and I'm like, oh my god, that is a bald eagle.

He's following us there.

And then I was filming before I got chosen to be the Golden Bachelorette.

We were filming me at the cemetery.

So they do like a package that then they present to Disney and to Warner Brothers.

Bachelors does.

And they were doing that package.

And they were like, we want to go to the cemetery.

I'm like, I really don't want to go to the cemetery.

It was actually the day after the anniversary of his death.

And I didn't want to go.

I didn't want to go with cameras.

I thought it was invasive.

I felt lousy about it.

They're like, please, we'll do it in a really nice way.

And he had just snowed the whole day before.

So we go, I'm really not wanting to do this with them.

I felt like this is a really personal thing.

And it had been two years.

It was a two year anniversary of his passing.

And I go there.

And I told the producer, the executive producer, again,

Jason, on the way.

We were in the car on the way.

I told him the story about that John comes and visits us

as like an eagle or a hawk and stuff.

And I told him that story.

And I just kind of been passing.

And so we go to the cemetery and we walk over to his headstone.

And I'm brushing off all the snow off of it.

And I'm kind of looking around.

I'm feeling very uncomfortable because I feel very odd being there with cameras.

And Jason's like, look up.

And he's standing behind the cameras.

And I'm all the way over here.

And he's like, look up.

And I'm like, what?

And he's like, look up.

And there's three hawks circling the cemetery.

Really weird.

So, so, so weird.

Yeah.

I feel like a freak.

I'm looking at the camera going.

I'm not a freak.

It does sound really weird.

But I just felt like that was like a sign from him.

Yeah.

Because I felt really uneasy about going on, you know,

one thing going on the Golden Bachelor.

You can kind of like, you know, stay in the background.

Not really be a main part of it.

But when you're the lead, you're the lead.

And like you're going to be kissing to their eyes.

You're going to be doing, you know, you're going to be going.

They're looking for really a husband or, you know,

a mate at least or a boyfriend or something.

And you plan to come off, like, match up.

You're hoping for that.

So you can't hide anymore.

And so I felt kind of guilty going on that.

And I felt like that was kind of my sign.

A little bit my sign.

Yeah.

So I'm so appreciative when they send a sign a little bit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't get, I don't get a lot.

I just started having, I didn't have any dreams about it.

I didn't have any dreams about him for maybe like two to three years.

And now I've had like a couple, but nothing like two profound.

How does it feel when you wake up?

You're like, huh.

Yeah.

Just a little like, whoa, that was weird.

Yeah.

But not, you know, they haven't been anything too crazy yet.

Yeah.

So nothing in the words, like a nightmare or something where it's like, oh, like he's with you.

He gave me a message.

Yeah.

It's just like, we're just a dinner.

And he's kind of just like sitting there next to me.

That's so funny.

I only have one.

Okay.

And my mom has a dream about my dad almost every night.

My dad passed away three months after John passed away.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

Look great year.

And she has dreams about him all the time.

And I'm, I'm via suffer because I would love to see John.

And one of my biggest fears is that the memories of him are fading a little bit.

And I feel like, I mean, this is the first time I remember going to the cemetery this year.

Like kind of talking to him.

And it was the first time that I felt like life is moving on without him.

Yeah.

Like my kids are getting married.

We're having more grandkids.

Things that he isn't part of anymore.

Yeah.

Like he's not part of these new families that are starting, even though they're his kids.

He's not part of this new, like new generation.

And it feels really lousy to me.

Yeah.

Like we just had, I just had a step granddaughter.

Oh.

Bob's granddaughter was just born just a few months ago.

Oh.

Yeah.

So you get that.

It's very bittersweet.

It's like I'm so happy.

He didn't get to be part of this.

Right.

I'm so happy to have her.

But it's so sad that he didn't get to get to her.

I know.

I mean, I'm sure, you know, he's here in some way, of course.

And he gets to, you know, watch over her in his own way.

Yeah.

But it's still very bittersweet, you know.

Yeah.

I kind of feel like they had a little angel out there watching out for him.

Yeah.

So it's maybe a little comforting.

You know, it's sad that they're not here and that they miss these big life events.

And I always felt like, you know, my husband had worked so hard to create a really great life for us.

And then right when we were kind of at the age where our kids were all graduating from college,

we're at the place where we could really start enjoying this life.

You know, we could go and travel and we'd have our kids kind of taken care of.

And we could just start doing, like, taking your grandchildren to Disney World

and all of those things that I plan to do as a couple.

He died right before we got to do all of those things, like that whole other half of our life

that we were planning on doing.

Yeah.

Kind of just got, like, disappeared.

It was poof.

I know.

Is that crazy?

Like, you can't plan life, you know?

No.

Yeah.

What do you say?

Like, when God sees you planning life, he's laughing.

Yeah.

He's just a laugh or something like that.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

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Do you do anything today to kind of honor Bob's memory?

His memory is so many people knew him.

He was such a star and always known to be such a kind person.

But do you do anything personally?

Try to keep his memory in a life for you?

Well, I mean, I'm constantly talking about him,

like privately and publicly all the time.

I'm always sharing about Bob.

Telling stories, talking about him.

I podcast all the time and with his friends and his kids.

A big thing that maybe is the most important

and I know it would be so important to him,

is that I kind of took over one of his roles

for the Square Dermar Research Foundation,

which was his biggest charity,

that he was like the guy of the SRF for 30 plus years

because his sister died of suicide.

You have a personal connection.

Yeah, so one of his jobs, I mean, he hosted the event.

So I obviously don't do that.

But his job was to book the comedians.

Now that's what I've been doing for the last four years,

is I've been booking all the comedians

and booking the talent for the event,

the big, huge benefit that they have every year

called Cool Comedy Hot Quasine.

Well, that's a great name right there.

Yeah, yeah.

And so it's always like the world's best comedians,

great music, amazing food by celebrity chef Susan Feniger.

Okay.

And so that's one thing that I've done

to kind of keep honoring him and to keep his work

that his life's worked to kind of keep it going.

I love that.

And then they benefit from it.

It helps you maybe feel good about doing something

to carry on his legacy.

Yeah, it's like the least I can do.

Yeah, yeah.

Did you ever, because we're going to skip on to now

kind of where you are now.

And moving on, we had this conversation already

that moving on is hard.

And you know, you feel guilty and you're not sure

if you should be doing it.

Did you ever really think that you were going to find love again

or did you think that you had the best,

it's a hard to replace.

I hoped.

I was just very nervous.

You know, you hear such horror stories about dating

and all this stuff.

Yeah.

So, you know, I was very hopeful that I would.

I just didn't know what it would look like.

And would I be able to find somebody who was strong enough

and confident enough to understand

that like Bob wasn't going anywhere

and he was always going to be a part of my life.

Right.

Yeah.

You just find a pretty amazing guy to do his best.

So, you know, and I kind of found that right off the bat.

Like, I didn't even.

Yeah.

I didn't date very much at all.

Is that right?

Okay.

So, you are.

I went on a two basic coffee dates pretty much

and that was it.

And then you back in.

And then you back in.

Yeah.

Can you tell us a little bit about him?

I know who he is.

Yeah.

But I'm not sure if everybody knows who he is.

They might.

But tell us about.

Okay.

So, tell us about who he is.

Explain to the audience who he is.

And then tell us about how you met.

How do you meet?

Well, yeah.

We met.

Well, we met.

Our, um, his best friend was one of Bob's best friends, Seth Green.

And he, Seth and his wife Claire had an anniversary party.

And Brecken and Seth have been best friends since they were teenagers.

Oh.

And so, um, I, I met him briefly before with Bob,

because he and Bob were friendly.

They weren't best friends.

They weren't like very close.

Okay.

I'd be weird.

But they were friendly.

Yeah.

Um, so we just reconnected, I guess, at Seth and Claire's party

and just hit it off.

And then, like, a few weeks later, he asked me out.

I went on a date and like, that was it.

That was it.

That was almost three years ago.

One day, you were guys like, he, you knew right away.

Yeah.

He knew right away.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, we knew at least that we wanted to definitely continue

whatever that was.

And then, like, after the first date, I just didn't have an interest.

I like, we didn't say front, like on date one, like, by the way,

let's never talk to anyone else.

Right.

Um, but we did both kind of internally just be like, oh, I don't really feel.

The need to date other people.

Yeah.

But then, you know, a few months later, we were like, okay, let's,

this is actually not date other people.

This is it.

And did you guys live together?

No.

You know, he lives like four minutes away from me.

He lives like a mile away.

Kind of good, right?

It's, we're in the same neighborhood.

We literally bump into each other like on the street.

It's really funny.

But it's nice because we, you know, he has two kids and, um,

you know, he doesn't have them every day, but he has them a few days a week.

Yeah.

You know, he does his thing.

I do my thing.

And then, you know, he'll come hang out at my house or I'll be like,

all right, be over in five minutes.

Yeah.

Then I'll go.

So it's easy.

Yeah.

It's really nice.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Good.

What are your thoughts on marriage?

And do you want to get married again?

You know what?

We've even talked about this.

And I'm.

I don't have to.

I'm open to it.

Mm-hmm.

But I don't, I've been married twice.

I was married once before Bob and got divorced.

Okay.

And so for me, I'm just more about having the relationship and the connection and, like,

the commitment, but I don't need to legally get married.

Yeah.

But I'm, I'm open to it, but I don't have to have that, which is a great place,

because, like, I don't want kids.

I don't have kids.

Mm-hmm.

You know, he doesn't want more kids.

Yeah.

And so, like, that doesn't have to be a factor in it.

And it's like, we just get to enjoy each other.

I feel the same.

Whatever happens happens.

I feel like we are really the same person, because I feel the same way people.

I got engaged, you know, on the bachelor and the going back.

Congratulations.

Thank you.

But people ask, keep asking us when we're getting married.

And I'm like, do we have to get married?

Because we are liking what we're doing.

And why do I need a husband?

Yeah.

Why do I need to change this?

And like, at our age, I'm a much older than you.

But, you know, as you're, like, we're not in our 20th and 30s.

We're not trying to have kids.

Right.

We're not, like, establishing careers.

Like, we're kind of, like, past that part of life.

Yeah.

Do, like, is there a need to get married?

I don't.

I don't.

I don't feel like I need to.

I think it's personal to everybody.

I think it's personal to everybody.

Yeah.

I don't feel like I have to.

But it's not traditional.

Right.

We don't have to do it.

I'm, I'm open either way.

Yeah.

I feel the same way.

This has been a great conversation.

I'm sorry Kathy was supposed to be with us today.

But she got held up.

She would have been talked, but we have to get over to the awards.

Yes.

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