BOBBYCAST - Kane Brown on Losing $10M, Family Trauma & Picking His Top 5 Songs

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I just not redid my deal to make it kind of fair, like just now.

No way. How much money do you think you've given away that you probably shouldn't have had to give away?

Ten million.

The guest on today's Bobby Cast is Kane Brown.

I love Kane, known him for a while.

He's got so many massive songs, heaven, what ifs, one Mississippi.

He's got 13 number ones.

He's got new music on the way.

He's got a song called Woman that just came out. I hope you check that out.

He's got a bar on Broadway here in Nashville called Kane Browns on Broadway.

We talk about that. He's even acting.

And so as first movie, the token groomsman with Taylor Lautner,

which is pretty cool considering he first blew up posting cover songs on Facebook.

He's a husband, a dad of three. He's a friend of mine.

Here he is, Kane Brown.

All right. Good to see you, buddy. Good to see you.

A couple things.

Eat a trace of me goes when you were a kid.

I love trace of me goes.

Yeah, I've heard it's pretty good.

One of my friends here was like, first thing I want you to ask Kane,

did he eat trace of me goes as a kid?

I thought as trace of me goes not only to Chattanooga thing.

I never seen trace of me goes.

So yeah, they must be from Chattanooga thing.

That's on place I've seen it, but it's fire.

Was it a frequent for you?

Yeah, it's pretty much like after every football, baseball game,

or practice, we would go to trace of me goes.

Now we're in the middle of the episode, but I do hear your manager outside.

Yeah.

She's the only one I would like come in during a recording.

Come in!

Come in!

And they left.

Oh, she's calling me now.

Yeah, answer it.

We're on.

We're live here.

We've never...

Hello.

Are you in the back building?

Yeah.

I'm in the back building.

Yeah.

Did you just walk in?

Yeah.

Bobby said you're the only person that he would let walk in.

During a live?

During a live.

Yeah.

So come in.

Yeah.

There she is.

We hear you.

Come on in.

Come in.

Come in.

You're in the middle of the episode.

Oh!

I promise you.

I literally said to...

And we usually, sometimes, we don't even allow people in here, but I said, you're the only

person I would ever allow to come in mid-episode.

I'm not going to stop by the train.

So...

How are you doing?

Sorry.

I've totally ruined the entire flow of the entire...

This is the flow.

You have not ruined anything.

We are still rolling.

Things are flowing.

Everybody watching a Netflix is like, what's happening?

I want to...

And the scenes music.

I want to ask you a question about your manager.

Okay.

Because I think this is interesting, because I think I didn't know what a manager did until

I moved here and was like, had stuff happening and they're like, you need a manager.

Yeah.

And I'm like, what does that even mean?

Like, what does a manager do for you?

It doesn't.

She do.

She does everything.

Uh...

Yeah.

I mean, literally everything.

Everything other than create the music.

So...

You're not in, like, witness protection, right?

No.

Okay.

Well, what's your manager's name?

Martha Earls.

And so, how did you meet Martha?

So, I met Martha through this guy.

Well, I met her through Jay Frank, who has passed away now.

But he originally found me...

Well, this other guy, Sean Paste, found me on Facebook and he worked for Jay Frank.

It's a crazy story.

I was about to have a falling out with him.

I told him they basically gave up on me.

And I told him, I'm about to leave.

Yada, yada, yada.

And they were like, what can we do to get you to stay?

And he had introduced me to Martha at one point.

And I said the only way that I will stay with you is if I work with Martha.

So, he transferred me to Martha and we've been working together ever since.

But what does that then mean?

Because was she this big fancy manager with huge clients?

No.

No.

Now, she had worked with an artist before and she's...

It's so weird.

This is right there.

I know.

But she deserves...

She came in late.

Yeah, we're openly going.

But she had been in the business for a long time.

She knew a lot of people in the industry.

She was so sweet when I first met her.

I didn't know anything about her whenever I said I wanted to work with her.

She just seemed engaged.

And if Jay Frank was also well known in Nashville.

So, I was like, if he's introduced me to her, she's obviously can do something.

And then our career has just been thriving ever since.

So, is that like the early strategy of how to make you a legitimate recording artist?

Did you have a label?

Like, was she involved in that process?

Does the manager help do that?

I said, that's another thing.

I was kind of forced to sign on my label.

And also, nobody knows this either.

Yeah, I can go down a rabbit hole with you going through it.

I make this for all of them.

That's going to Netflix.

Yeah.

I've been waiting.

You know, I'm just now starting to feel comfortable about talking about things.

No.

I mean, I feel like I know you and love you outside of this.

Yeah, I don't know this.

So, I'll sit back and enjoy the show.

All right, let's get it.

So, just normal kid trying to make you don't Facebook.

Eventually go viral.

Sean Pace.

The guy I was just talking about eventually finds me.

I don't remember what comes first.

He signs me to...

I'm just going to say his name.

He signs me to...

Or he introduces me to...

So, I'm sleeping in my car and all kinds of stuff.

It's a work with this guy.

Where?

And Atlanta.

So, you're down there.

Yeah.

I'm sleeping in my Honda.

I'm driving all the way down there.

I'm living in an apartment up here.

So, still...

I was making iTunes money, but I couldn't afford to just get a hotel and all that stuff.

So, going back and forth, he introduced me to Jay Frank.

I signed a management deal with Jay.

But I'm still going down to see...

Just to work on music and stuff.

Because he wants to.

He's hungry.

Anyway, he signs me to a deal and it's 50-50.

But I was just so excited to get signed.

That I couldn't wait.

I didn't have anybody.

I didn't have my mom.

I didn't have my dad on my side.

So, I just signed a 50-50 deal.

Now, explain why that's not typical.

You have 50-50.

What's a normal deal?

Honestly, I couldn't even tell you.

I couldn't even tell you.

I was just...

What is a normal deal?

15%.

It's like...

It's like 85-15, right?

Yeah, but for him, I don't even know it.

I signed for him, though.

I just knew he was in the industry.

We were still at Apple.

Yeah, it was terrible.

It feels like one of the boy band deals from back in the 90s

when they didn't know what they were signing.

Honestly.

It was awful.

And it literally killed my career.

Like, tens of millions of dollars that I have not got.

How so?

Because he got it for so long.

I was forced to sign to Sony.

So, you were even forced to sign with the label?

Was he attached to the label?

He was attached to LA Read.

LA Read said no to me whenever he...

So, once I signed with...

Start shopping me around to different labels.

Once I went viral, every label...

I wasn't viral yet when I signed with...

I had, like, I was getting 5,000, 10,000 likes.

Literally something when I signed with him.

Like, the next day, my socials just blew up.

He even thought, he was like, bro, you're buying these.

These are fake.

I promised you this is not fake.

So, then, every label, New York, LA, Nashville.

Everybody's coming at me.

He showed me to LA Read.

LA Read said no.

So, he thinks it's a free game.

Well, his contract that he has with LA Read says,

LA Read gets first look.

So, then, once I actually went viral, LA Read said,

came back and said, no, you have to sign him.

But he already said no.

Yeah, he already said no, but...

But now it's yes.

Yeah, now it's...

Because there's some virility to your art.

Yeah.

So, now you're with that label.

Yes.

And I love Sony.

I mean, this is not against Sony.

I love Sony.

I was forced to sign with Sony.

They've been good to me.

But they've also...

It's just been...

It's been so long.

I just...

Now I'm just not getting...

I just not re-did my deal to make it kind of fair.

Like, just now.

No way.

So, that's why I've been worried my whole career.

Because I'm like, I'm not getting what I should.

And if it was to go away today, I think I could be fine.

But I don't have what...

I think a lot of people think that I have.

How much money do you think you've given away

that you probably shouldn't have had to give away?

10 million.

I asked my business manager.

I've got screwed out of that.

How do you not stay angry at that?

Because I'm blessed with what I have.

You know, I could be still a FedEx.

I can, you know, support my family.

I would be living a little bit different life.

I would be able to give a little bit more away, you know.

But that is what it is.

God's got a plan for me.

I'd have to do a lot of praying.

I'd have to do a lot of praying for a lot of forgiveness or forget.

Because I...

Because everybody knew what was happening.

Because you were a kid from a small town.

And I hope you take this right.

Well, you didn't know what you were doing.

Yeah, I didn't have an idea.

They knew you didn't know what you were doing.

They were taking advantage of somebody you didn't know what they were doing.

That's what it seems like to me.

Oh, yeah, of course.

Many percent.

And then it wasn't really...

It wasn't necessarily Sony's fault, you know.

I mean, they had an artist that was popping out the time

that...

Yeah, I was forced to sign with them.

But how do you say...

I mean, honestly, I have the kind of heart that I would be like,

no, you don't have to.

You can make a choice.

But it's a business at the end of the day.

At the beginning.

And was your first viral?

Was it George Straight?

Was that the one that you used to be?

Yeah, that's the one that you used to be.

Was the check yesterday?

Yeah.

So that thing pops.

Did they go...

Hey, you...

You're country.

Or were they...

Like, what were they thinking you were?

Who?

Anybody after you went viral?

Were they going...

For sure, you should stay in the country lane.

Or were they like, you should be...

Oh, no, no, no.

That was just what I was...

That was my goal.

When you're making music in Atlanta.

Were you making country music?

Yeah, yeah.

So they were showing me to...

They were showing me to...

What's his name?

Timberlin.

And what's really cool about this...

And this is the other reason I can't get mad

because if I wouldn't have signed with...

I wouldn't have my family.

I wouldn't know my wife.

I wouldn't have my kids.

Like...

What's that correlation then?

How do you know your wife because of him?

She used to work with him.

He introduced us.

So was she a performer, like an artist?

Yeah, she was working with him.

Yeah, so she was managed by Johnny Wright,

which is...

I mean, he had Britney Spears.

He still has Justin Timberlin.

I think he had the Backstreet Boys.

He's massive.

So she would go to the studio.

And I was supposed to be in her music video

a year before we had actually met.

But I had my first show so I couldn't

be the guy in the music video.

So that's why I always look at it.

If I wouldn't have done this,

then I wouldn't have my family.

You were gonna be the hot guy in a music video?

Yeah.

That's pretty cool.

I just find out.

Generally, you're the hot guy in a video?

Yeah, she said...

He asked me and I was like,

what's she look like?

And then he told...

He told her to use me and she said,

what's he look like?

And then...

I don't know.

You're a pretty happy guy.

Just generally speaking,

I had no idea that you had been

finagled out of that money.

Yeah, I've kept it on the download.

It was funny though.

He just saw me.

I don't really know what he's doing now,

but I was saying FLA read

on Facebook Live for the longest

and I had everybody messaging me saying,

like, you can't do that.

You can't do that.

I let you screw it.

I'm just a kid from Chad Nuke on Facebook.

What do you mean I can't do it?

Were you saying that recently?

Mm-hmm.

Oh, I was gonna say,

yeah, don't do that.

You will die.

Yeah, yeah, got it, got it.

There's like a replacement

came round in here now.

You know how they say they kill people

and then put a little...

That's been creeping me out too, buddy.

Yeah, while you said Jim Kerry.

Yeah, it's dude.

Don't end down a rabbit hole with that.

Well, that's...

Me on my theory?

I'll take it.

That's what I was really excited to come in here

and just go left and right and just talk to them.

Good.

Then I'll go for a minute.

I am a massive Andy Kaufman fan.

And for those that don't know Andy Kaufman,

he's dead now,

but he was a performance artist.

Someone said comedian,

but performance artist.

He also ended up acting a little bit.

In the 70s sitcom Taxi,

he played Luck, and he would be like,

thank you very much.

He was like that guy.

He'd probably know a picture of him if you saw him.

But he died.

There's a movie about him

that's my favorite movie ever

where Jim Kerry played him.

The movie's called Man on the Moon.

The thing about Andy Kaufman was

everything was performance art.

To the point where people,

his family would get so mad at him,

because he was always like doing really wild things

just to get reaction.

In his live shows, for example,

he would set up a tent

and the crowd would be full

because they knew it from TV.

He a bit resented his TV character

because it made him famous in a way

that he didn't really want.

But he would set up a tent on stage

and he'd just go on to the tent and go to sleep.

And that was his act.

And he'd just see how many people would stay.

Like it was just rea,

or he would, you know,

have a Warren piece of the book

and he'd say,

thank you for coming

and just read the whole book for hours.

Just because his performance art was for him.

He wanted to see if people would stay

and watch him read the book.

So all this happens.

It's my favorite performer ever.

Jim Kerry's favorite performer.

As you know, Jim Kerry's very,

very animated physical comedy.

Jim Kerry recently has been saying a lot of stuff

over the past few years

in regards to entities in Hollywood

and I retire.

I'm never coming back.

And so, you know, you saw Jim Kerry

and they're like, is that even a real Jim Kerry?

Yeah.

My theory is,

is that,

that guy was not Jim Kerry,

but Jim Kerry is not dead.

Jim Kerry was a part of,

putting someone in a Jim Kerry mask.

And then Jim Kerry got to enjoy the person

impersonating Jim Kerry

and then watching all that was happening around it

as a bit of performance art.

Yeah.

Jim Kerry's family was with him,

with him,

that,

the guy that was supposedly Jim Kerry,

getting embarrassed.

But I think they knew about it.

My theory is, Jim Kerry was in on the joke

that that wasn't Jim Kerry,

but Jim Kerry hasn't been abducted and killed

and replaced by somebody just being Jim Kerry.

Yeah.

Yeah, I did think that that dude was in there.

The only thing that was throwing me off was his voice.

Yeah.

I mean, if that's the case,

he's got a great impersonation.

Yes, it is a good Jim Kerry voice.

But what does Jim Kerry sound like in his 60s?

Kind of like Jim Kerry in his 40s.

Because I said the same thing and listened to it.

And it does sound like Jim Kerry,

but somebody who can,

I can't do impressions at all.

I can't do it.

I can do a cane-round impression.

Can you?

Yeah.

I'll go to Lamborghini.

All right.

Find that one.

Yeah.

You know what?

And I've only talked about this a couple times.

You know this.

I don't know much about cars,

but I bought a Lamborghini

after our conversation about Lamborghinis.

Because there's a lot of things that happened in your life

growing up that are very similar to things

that happened in my life growing up.

And I've always really admired where you come from,

which could also be a bit me admiring where I come from

because I'm like, that dude did it,

but really I'm like,

man, I did it too.

Yeah.

You know, so there are a lot of parallels between how we grew up.

And you were talking about a Lamborghini,

but you were talking about it not in the way of like,

I got a Lamborghini.

Look at me.

I'm rich.

You're like, man, I've never earned a Lamborghini.

I'm driving it.

And you said, if you ever want to drive,

just come over the house and drive it.

And I was like, I will never drive a Lamborghini.

I don't want to wreck your Lamborghini.

I never even thought about having a Lamborghini.

And so my wife and I were driving around.

I don't see very well.

I hit way too many potholes.

I had a couple nice cars.

My dream car was a Bentley.

And I bought one.

And it was crazy.

And it was awesome.

But then I was like, I'm driving like an old person car.

Like, and I'm in potholes.

And it was like, I was driving like this.

And we were like, my wife said, you need to get an SUV

because you can't see.

And maybe if you're up higher, you won't hit as many potholes.

And you and I just had a conversation.

And we drove by the Lamborghini place.

And I was like, you know what?

Pouring out for cane.

I'm going to get to look the Lamborghini.

You didn't die yet.

But still, I went in.

Didn't think I was going to get one.

And I got, and I saw the SUV.

And I was like, man, I don't know.

And I got in it.

And I was like, I think I'm going to do it.

And I didn't feel bad about it because

when you were talking about it,

you weren't bragging about it.

You were just like, I always wanted this.

And I've worked hard and I've got it.

And so I bought one at Texas.

And I was like, I got one.

But I even felt weird telling you.

I was like, it's the lame one.

It's the SUV.

And you're like, dude, it's a tourist.

That's cool.

And I was like, all right, maybe it is cool.

But I have mine now.

And this is the most unrelatable thing to talk about.

But I feel like it's okay because I feel like it's okay.

Because you were talking about it.

And you didn't make me feel like you were talking about it

to brag that you had one.

But to kind of show, hey, if I come from here and can get this,

I think anybody can do the work to come from there and get this.

Yeah.

But that's why I got mine.

Although you did drive yours here.

What did I say before we started recording?

Kind of sit in there.

Kind of sit in there.

Whenever you go out there.

I think you'll be really like your pick of getting the ears.

Because if I wouldn't have went, and I think I told you just before,

if I wouldn't have modified mine,

I would have been bored with it already.

What's boring about it?

I like to drive fast.

I don't.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I hold up traffic.

Kind of my thing.

People know I'm around.

If the cars are backed up like 10D, they're like,

oh, Bobby must be up there.

Yeah.

I also feel like the one that I have doesn't stick out.

I'm cool with that.

The color sticks out.

The color is beautiful.

It's a beautiful color.

I'm so colorblind.

Are you?

Oh, yeah.

And I know it's blue.

Yeah.

I'm so colorblind that if...

Well, it's a beautiful color.

Yeah.

Why?

Yours looks awesome.

Well, thank you.

I can't wait.

I just might have black.

But I would probably hit potholes in yours though.

I do all the time.

And I scrape.

And we lower to even lower.

Why?

Just to make it look better.

But it's so not practical.

Can you drive that as your regular car?

I shouldn't, but I do.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Because I'm not selling it.

To the point, I've had people try to buy it from me.

Really?

I'm like, man, this is my first and only Lambo I'm ever going to buy.

I want to give this to my kids one day.

Kingsley's about to be seven.

And she's dying for it.

She's like, I want it so bad.

And then now I'm like, I don't know what if I have to get a crew.

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I'm going to ask you a question about kids.

Give me the stages like very baby to like taught like what am I about to experience here?

Because also I'm not 19 or 22, like I'm older.

Yeah.

My fear growing up always was, I don't want to have a kid because I don't want a kid to be poor like I was poor.

It was my greatest fear.

Was raising a kid without the means to feed the kid because I didn't always have food.

And so that was so scary to me.

I don't have that fear anymore.

Dude, I've only held one baby in my life ever.

Like even held anybody else's.

And that's by accident.

I think so.

I'll tell you when you when he I'll tell you when it's here.

You're probably going to be very nervous.

You're going to.

Thomas right set it best.

You're going to feel like it's glass.

But it's.

Made of what's not made of rubber.

But it's more like rubber.

And I think the going to sleep.

Definitely get a night nurse.

Because you you're we are privileged enough that you can get a night nurse.

That was safe.

You're your mental state.

I think.

The hardest part for me.

And it's going to be for you too.

Since we both came from the same background.

My kids are very privileged.

I already have that conversation with my wife.

It's like how do I create adversity?

She's like it's not born yet.

Yeah.

And so I so we just shot a music video for woman.

And so my kids want to go to Disney.

I can go that we we they don't have to wait in lines.

They get the VIP treatment.

They go to the back.

They get to hop right on the ride.

They can ride it again.

If they want to.

They get.

Anything they want.

I'm like stop buying toys.

You know, Christmas.

I guess too many toys.

If they go if they hear the word target, they get a toy.

It's ridiculous.

And it drives me nuts.

And I don't think my wife.

I don't think she realizes it drives me that nuts.

But so when we shot this music video, I didn't get to go on the ride.

She was working.

So my nanny had to take Kingsley on the rides.

Like it was just like a day pass to go.

And so she got to the.

She got to the line and she looked up to my nanny.

She says, are we waiting in line?

And I was like, yes.

Like I loved it.

She had to walk around the whole park.

She didn't get golf cartes.

She didn't get a drove around.

So sometimes she got back to us.

She was exhausted.

She was asleep.

They had to carry her to the room.

And I was like, finally just that little bit of how I grew up.

I showed her the other day.

I had to show her a trailer.

I go to trailers.

That's what I grew up in.

Oh, yeah.

Not a movie trailer.

Like a trailer.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I showed it to her and she said, you lived in that.

And I said, yes.

And I'm showing you this in our second house in Florida.

I'm like, you little privilege.

So that's probably my biggest pet peeve.

And my advice to you is just, it's probably going to be something that, since we've

both struggled and it's probably going to be something you'll have to worry about.

What is your earliest memory?

My earliest memory.

Straight up earliest memory.

Being thrown across the room.

Like first thing in mind.

Bye.

I must have to.

Like abuse type.

I peed a bit.

Oh, yeah.

That sucks.

Not that you peed the back.

I peed the bed.

But I'm saying you were thrown across the room for that.

Yeah.

Man, that's a memory.

That's your first memory, huh?

It's that, that trauma is set in so deep.

Yeah.

Well, I also, it probably doesn't help that normal interviews, people found out about it.

And that's just like, what if, I think that my brain might just be programmed to...

What do you mean normal interviews, people find out?

Like if I have interviews and like, especially coming up, like everybody wants to know the

sad stuff.

So I was like, that's just, I mean, that's just been repeated in my head the last 10

years.

Because you've had to come up with something.

So that's the first thing you can remember from this sad stuff.

And just keep, it just, yeah, it's just like in my life now.

My grandma raised me for a lot of my life, adopted me.

Your grandma was important in your life.

What was, you guys' relationship and when did that happen?

Monano.

She was awesome.

I went to, what do you mean, the beast happened?

No, I'm talking about it just in general, like your grandma.

My grandma was like, my rock.

The only rock that I had.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it's my Nana.

She was awesome.

So I'll go this to me and my little brother.

This has never been told either.

So me and my little brother was almost put up for adoption when we were small.

And some things have been hidden from us.

I don't know exactly everything, but my Nana was part of it at one point I was told.

And then she wasn't.

And so then it was like, I had flipped the switch on her, you know, just been from Georgia

and a white family and, you know, me being biracial.

So then she ended up just loving me and I just remember her, you know, ex sandwiches.

She used to make me the best in the world.

So it's your Nana.

Nana's what you call yours, right?

I call my grandma.

Was she your biological grandmother?

Yeah.

So I never met my dad's side of the family until I was 16.

I found out I had five brothers and sisters outside of my dad, but I never met him.

When you were 16?

Till I was 16.

I didn't mean my older middle brother till I was 24 and I was touring.

Did they know you existed?

No.

So my dad reached out to me.

He wrote me a letter in the mail.

I got it.

I was in your high school and then fast for a minute, so my sister Ariel, Heidi and Brian

were all living in Chattanooga and my key was living in Iowa.

So that's why I didn't meet him until I was 24.

But I'll start hanging out with all of them and yeah, that's the rest of the stuff.

I mean, that's a whole other situation too.

Do dad leave?

How have my dad's been in prison?

Got it.

My dad left at six and I was writing a book and the whole book was about basically like,

if I can do it, you can do it, but I did it with very practical techniques like show up

on time.

Just like basic building blocks of success.

And I wrote this book and I was like, man, I feel like such a freaking loser and I'm

a hypocrite because I've not done the one thing that really scares me and let's go track

down my biological dad.

And so that's what I did.

And so I didn't know me left when I was six.

I had fallen off a house and had surgery and almost died.

And then when I was in the hospital, I used that as he jumped.

And so I never saw him again.

So I think there's probably a lot of guilt in me.

When I was a kid thinking, well, since I'm hurt, I made him go away.

As I got to being a adult, I kind of just realized, but my mom was 15 when she got pregnant.

He was 17.

And also some of that too, where you realize their kids, kids don't generally make good

decisions.

But again, a lot to unpack, but I, I messaged a cousin and was like, how do I get a hold

of, and I don't call him my dad, but for the sake of this, my dad, how do I get a hold

of him?

Got us a number of text them.

And I was like, hey, this is your son.

And then I was like, I better write my name, even if I write son, I better write, like

this is your son, Bobby, I'm going to be in town in Arkansas.

And I wasn't going to be in town, but I knew if I could just set that time, it gave

us a point.

Yeah.

And I went and met him.

It was so weird to see somebody that looked like me really because I'd never in my life

had a conversation with a parent.

My mom was an addict and she died in her 40s and she was there, but we never had like

an adult conversation.

So when I met my biological father, it was the first like real life conversation.

And I was 32.

It was the first conversation I'd ever had with a parent.

But what I remember thinking is, I look like this human.

It's crazy.

There was no genetics in my life because I had no family that I was near.

And so it's dead guy or life is crazy.

What's your version of that?

Well, I mean, you said you didn't look like nobody.

I lived on the white side of my family.

You know what I mean?

I didn't, I didn't know color in my family till I was 16.

And then when you just talked about your mom, I didn't know about that either.

I'm sorry about that.

But my mom went down the same rabbit hole, same with my little brother.

And so I got kicked out when I was 17.

And so everybody was like, why aren't you helping your mom or whatever?

I'm like, I am helping my mom.

I got her apartment and paying for all the utilities.

I can't just give her money, you know what I mean?

Because if I just give her money, then she's just going to go and buy the stuff that's

hurting her.

So I could not find out how to do it.

So I just got her apartment and helped her that way.

Because if you, if you take work away from her, like she even tells me me and my little

brother, where her, where her, what do you call it?

Purpose.

When we grew up and moved out, well, it's her purpose now, you know what I mean?

She's not married.

She has no boyfriend.

So I'm just, I mean, she's just doing whatever she can in the house.

Is she alive now?

Yeah.

And she's so much better now.

I love you mom.

Yeah, so much better now.

But that, and I got her house.

She have to hit a certain bottom to understand what was happening with her before she figured

it out.

I don't know what the breaking point was.

I just, I told her I want my mom back.

I felt like it was just, it was hard.

I had no family up here like wheat like, it was tough.

I mean, I have my nanolucle and then my aunt, I don't know what her breaking point was.

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This is the Bobby Cast.

I love that version of that story because very similarly,

when I started to have some success,

I'm not to the success app now,

because my mom never got to see me be really successful.

But successful to me was having more than $20

in a checking account.

Like that was this first real success

where I could actually get gas and have to worry about it.

But I did this about my mom trailer

and I bought her two acres of land.

And because I thought if I could stop her,

if I could make life easier for her,

she would stop using, which is what she was doing.

And where I come from,

opioids like crazy, and homemade meth.

Like there were trailers blown up all over the place

because they're making meth inside of these places.

And I thought if I could make,

and I'd put in rehab a couple times,

but she's an adult, she would check herself out.

And I thought, if I can just buy her this, it'll work.

Why I'm so happy about that, your version is,

it didn't get my mom to a good place.

I think I enabled her.

She died because I was just like,

let me give you money.

And I learned that it was a very, very hard lesson

to where I just thought I could pay away her problems.

And that now when I talk about it,

it's like the hardest thing is to let them do it themselves

whenever you have the ability to do it for them.

Because doing it for them actually

does just the opposite.

As I say, my little brother,

my little brother ended up getting arrested.

And I'd got him out already,

and then he ended up going back.

And I said, I'm not getting you out this time.

So I'm gonna leave you in there, at least for six months.

So it gets out of your system.

And then he ended up standing there for a year.

But when he got out, he said,

thank you for leaving me in there.

It's very hard though to leave him in there

because you love him.

And you think, well, if I love him,

I should just give them stuff and help them.

Man, I'm so happy to hear that about your mom

that you guys have a good relationship now.

Yeah, good relationship now.

Yeah, I'm excited.

She's back, she texts me, she loves me all the time.

It's like, it feels good.

So you're by racial.

Were you white or black growing up?

I don't know what I was.

I was just walking.

I didn't know like really anything about racist.

But okay, but what friends did you have?

I had one black friend and I know it sounds crazy,

but I just thought he stayed in the sun longer to me.

I didn't come on.

I promise you.

I'm so scared.

That's not true.

Because if I don't go in the sun, I get super pale.

I guess so I was like, okay, cool.

And then when I get in the sun, I get super dark.

I said, yeah, I know it sounds crazy,

but I mean, I'm in a week here.

So I'm like, I might be eight years old.

And I didn't find out I was,

I didn't find out of another race

until I got called to N-word in middle school.

And then I went back home and said, what is that?

And my mom told me and it took my little brother

to tell me that I was half black.

See, didn't know.

But I guess there was no need.

Never meant my dad.

And then my granddad was my mom's dad.

My, I called him pop.

He was with me every day.

And he was just a white man.

So that was, I never asked.

I never, I don't know what it was.

Like he never got brought up.

My family, it was like my family just tried to

completely ignore the fact.

And I'm a kid, so I'm not gonna sit there

and be like, where's my dad?

Cause my pops are right there.

And then I had to mention I had my stepdad

in the picture too, which was my little brother's dad.

And he was with my mom.

So it wasn't like a, there wasn't a man that wasn't in the house.

So it wasn't necessarily me saying, where's my dad?

Do you know your biological father now?

Do you have a relationship with him?

No, that's another, this is probably gonna get brought up.

It's gonna bring some stuff up too.

But yeah, I do not, he's been in prison since 96.

And that just goes to my, that's how the family for me

is kind of crazy.

Love them, I've helped them out many times.

But all they do is you'll help them out

then they talk crap about you on social media

when you don't.

And it's like, I'm not, I'm not doing that.

I've gave you, I've gave all of them multiple thousands

of dollars, I've helped multiple get into houses

that they needed to.

I paid rent, I've done so much.

And then after if I don't, they just talk shit on Facebook

and say, I have all this money

and don't help no family members, but I'm all about family.

I have a cousin, it's from that side of the family.

I have a jail fan aside.

Everybody's been in jail on that side.

And five or six years ago, maybe more than that now

because COVID kind of messes with my brain.

I saw a news story and I saw him escape prison on TV.

Yes, Kate.

It is the craziest thing.

But you're doing it, you're like, go, go, go.

No, because they were, people were calling me.

Like the FBI was calling me.

So it showed, and it was like a big story

because he and his mom had helped him,

I think she was waiting in a car outside.

And there was like a little hole that you can,

like, can't end.

So he was on the phone, jumped through the hole.

And then he ran all through states.

They tracked him for like two, they couldn't find him.

So they started to call me and he was,

they were like, do you know where your cousin is?

He just escaped prison.

And he's standing on that side of the family.

And I'm close to two of my cousins

that haven't been to prison,

but pretty much everybody else has.

Now it was like a man hunt for two weeks.

And they were like, are you hiding your cousin?

I'm like, I don't know my cousin.

But it was crazy because it was,

good morning, America was covering it.

That's what I'm saying.

Like it's the craziest video to watch him

like squeeze out of there.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, like I root for you

because I, again, I know your story,

but also like as a person.

When I first met you, I didn't like you that much.

I don't know.

Yeah, no way.

I just think it was, it's just confusion of,

impression confusion.

Yeah, it was a social media, you know?

And I mean, you just had to see me.

I don't know.

And also I was shy.

I was quiet, which probably came off very a-holish

to a lot of people when I got in the industry,

but like for what I've been through in my life,

you know, I couldn't just let people in.

I had to get to know him.

I think that is exactly it.

And I think I'm so insecure that people don't like me,

that I'm going, oh, if that person doesn't like me,

I don't like them.

Like immediately for some of those same reasons.

But I was like, oh, he doesn't talk.

Oh, he thinks he's too good.

And then yeah, but we had like a minute on social media,

where we were like K and each other.

I got a, we need to do it again.

I got a lot of followers.

It was just like K, K got.

And so, but now it's like, if you needed to kidnap,

I'd give you one.

Yeah.

So yeah, I get jealous though, watching you play ball.

I think that's the one thing I get jealous of.

That's cool.

Yeah, you're just good at stuff.

No.

Like is it?

No, people, no, there's, I've watched you with Moan.

I ball.

I didn't see a strikeout on slow pitch softball,

but then I watched you at home run right after that.

No, but then I watched you at home run right after that.

And you had a in the park home run.

I got the MVP belt up there.

Yeah.

But I only got that because you made the play at the end of the game

to save the freaking game.

Yeah, but you were diving all over the field.

That's okay.

Yeah, but you got it.

Yeah, I'm jealous to watch somebody that,

because when you, you're really your basketball player.

I'm okay.

No, I'm saying this, this, and I've,

I've tried to invite you a couple of times

that you go to bed.

I go to bed.

Yeah.

You put a bed way earlier than you play ball.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I needed to do one during the morning sometime.

Like if you do it in the morning, morning, I'm working.

I got a very small, I've been doing it here.

Yeah.

Yeah, like how much basketball do you play?

I actually quit, but I'm trying to get,

I'm in shape now where I would love to do it more.

We used to play every Monday.

Yeah, we got to get it back though.

They keep asking me.

You have a trainer now?

Jared.

Great, the greatest.

Here's my guy for five years.

I don't know what he says about me, like weak.

Lazy.

No, no, no, no.

I mean, he's worked with everybody now, so.

He used to go on the road with me.

Like he was like, he's awesome.

Yeah, he goes out with me now.

I think, I mean, he's been with, he's been with Tyler.

He was out with him and then I told,

I was just with Lauren, the other day,

Lauren laying on.

She found, she was like, you look great.

I said, Jared, she goes, God, I gotta get him back out.

So he's been with everybody.

Are you still as hyper focused on health?

Oh, yeah.

I don't think it's,

you still had to force it.

Now it's just the money trip.

Well, you texted me, hey, do you want to get in good shape?

And I'm like, bro, I remember the text

and my feelings were a little bit hurt.

And you were like, no, just excited.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

You hit me and you said, hey, man,

you're looking to get in good shape.

And I'm like, bro, I just feel like 11 pounds.

I'm more sure that I've ever been

and you're telling me I don't look good.

Like, and then I said that back to you

and you're like, okay, my bad.

And that was it.

No.

I'm not gonna look like you.

You can.

I don't.

First of all, you're like younger than him.

You're larger than I am.

No, it's some sandwich he can get rid of.

Yeah, I give me a pretty good shape.

But you're naturally.

I don't, because if people tell me, hey,

like you're talented, I get offended

because I don't feel like I'm talented.

I work hard.

But you're just naturally a better athlete than I am.

And thank you for not agreeing.

Thank you for not agreeing so wholeheartedly.

Yeah, yeah.

What's up with the bar you're opening?

Dude, it's crazy.

I've had that bar for two years.

And it's funny because after everybody's been opening

a bar, you just see comments.

It's like, oh, great, another bar opening.

I was like, they're gonna be saying that about me.

But we've had it for two years.

And we've been going to each bar

and seeing what works and what doesn't work

for the other artists instead of just throwing our name up there.

And we got to pick out the finishes.

Kate's really good at interior decorating.

So I want to make it look really cool,

but make it different just because my music is all over the place.

So instead of just having your,

like, we're gonna have the traditional live band

on the first floor.

But then as you go up, we're gonna have another bar

or another like, speak easy called dusk.

Excuse me. And that's gonna be like the,

it's gonna feel like a Miami vibe.

We pick like Miami type of colors,

which I don't think anything on Broadway feels like that.

And then, yeah, this is gonna be cool.

And then we're gonna have like cool art

and decorated pieces throughout the whole bar.

What is that opening?

Memorial Day weekend.

Do you have a deal where you're gonna play

a few times a year there?

I don't know, is there a state like,

are you gonna show up or do you?

No, no.

I mean, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be showing up.

I'm gonna be there,

buying bar shots and, you know, randomly singing

every now and then, but it's not in a deal.

It's just gonna be what I, what I do with it.

And if I go in, you know, to any kind of brand thing

that I want it to, I want to give it my all

and let them know that I'm enjoying this.

I want y'all here.

Do you feel comfortable in your skin now as an artist

in that you feel if you do anything, it's okay now?

No, not, you mean anything?

Well, anything you wanna do, like, do you feel like,

because again, some of your music at times

has been a little more rock.

It's still a country, but still a little more rock landing

at times, different sonic elements.

I think you've had versions, different versions.

Like, do you feel like it doesn't matter what you put out,

like, you don't have to, like, maintain

some sort of country music standard anymore?

Yeah, I feel a little bit more freely of,

I can just be me, but I think it's just now happening

this year, which is crazy.

I know I've released some stuff back in the day.

I mean, even like miles on it, one thing right,

my song grand, that are, you know, completely left field.

But they worked.

And so for me, it was, I was nervous releasing those,

but the fans showed me that it shouldn't be.

And so now, this year with going through therapy

and just being older, I guess, and mechoring,

it's just, I'm really excited for the record

I'm working on now.

What are your five best songs?

One through five, you have to, though, I know.

And mostly some of them would say that and be like,

all right, we'll pivot off,

but I'm really gonna hold you to this.

Right now today, what are your five favorite

Cane Brown songs, number one?

All right, I'm just gonna do, like,

what I like to perform live, I guess.

Love performing miles on it.

I don't know if it's just because it's fresh still to everybody.

Bare me, Georgia.

Thank God.

I really wanna say learning.

Then why don't you?

I'm gonna say learning just because I feel like

that's the most, my most story.

Five would be, I think, I'm gonna say one thing right,

because I had the most to do with that song.

And I think that was my first time reaching outside

of the genre to another artist.

And really my first boundary push.

When you and your wife did the song together,

did she have any trepidation?

Was she nervous about doing that

or was she nervous about what people would say?

Oh, it's just Cane Brown's wife.

I don't know how your nervous was a voice like that.

No, no, no doubt she could sing.

I just think some people didn't know she could sing until.

Yeah, I don't think she had a problem with that.

She was nervous to get in the studio

because she hadn't been in the studio for so long.

And then when we did get in the studio,

it was just me, her and Dan Huff,

which is massive producer, but such a sweet heart.

So he really got her through it.

But I think that was the only thing she was nervous about.

She's more nervous of just the performance on stage

because she has really bad anxiety.

So it's really sweet, but it's funny

because a lot of times people will be like,

God, they have such good chemistry on stage.

And she's just holding on to me so she doesn't pass out.

So, but no, it's just, it is so cool

that just she gets to do that with me

and the fans love it and fun fact.

We are, and I don't really like facts like this,

but we're the only other couple to have a number one,

a country radio other than Tim and Faith.

Really?

Yeah.

My question was gonna be about that

because you record it.

That's cool.

Big deal goes on a record, big deal.

But then when you make it the single,

that's a really big deal because then it exists

and there's an effort to make it a number one song

by your label and it wasn't number one song easily.

But then you have to go perform it.

Like all of that happens.

Like was that a conversation with her?

Like do you want to be a part of a single?

Yeah, I mean, I think, it wasn't a conversation.

I just told her like, yo, once you do this,

it's going to be a radio.

And then I think she was okay

that she might have been nervous, but she didn't act like it.

I think her most thing is just getting ready for one song

because it takes her like two hours to get ready.

I swear to God, I was thinking about that,

watching a video once.

I said, I was like, I feel so bad for Caitlin

because I think she's getting ready

and she goes and does one song on stage

and has to come off and then, but she looks great.

But it takes a closer, expensive.

That's always what I think about her.

She does the whole stylist for it and everything.

Yeah.

She looks amazing though.

But that's why I'm trying to get,

we're trying to get more music.

We had a body talk come out, so we did do two songs.

And then we have a third one

that we just hadn't added to the set.

So I'm trying to get another song for on this album.

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What's in your algorithm?

Right now by boxing, a lot of comedy stuff.

Hey, who's the funniest person?

I just had this conversation.

I'll go first to give you time to think.

Now, because I'm hogging it, but I'm going to ask the question,

I'll go first.

Sometimes people yell at me, they'll have you talk too much.

It's like, no, I want them to have time

to think of a good answer.

So that's what I'm going to do.

If you were to do your Mount Rush more

of the funniest people alive, who would it be?

It's hard.

I'm going to give you mine,

but you pay no attention to what I'm saying

and give you time to think of yours.

On my list, I have Ricky Gervais.

He created the original office,

British office, obviously the American office,

but he is so cuttingly funny and does not DGAF

at all, I think he's hilarious.

At number two, my favorite all time stand up comic

is Chris Rock.

Like to watch those old specials,

it made me wish I was black so I could laugh harder.

Because I thought it was, I was like,

this is the funniest thing I've ever heard in my life.

Chris Rock, to me, the funniest.

Doing comedy music, Adam Sandler,

because when I was a kid and I heard the comedy music records,

I was like, you can do this.

And then Mark Norman, who's a comedian now,

who is so freaking funny, I found him on TikTok,

he's a big comedian, got an Netflix special.

That guy makes me laugh so hard

because again, he's one of these guys who,

you can't cancel him because he doesn't have an entity

that he works for.

And that to me is funny.

So that would be my Mount Rush,

more of the funniest people that I feel right now.

I filled some space.

Hopefully you now have the four funniest people alive.

Four funniest people, I don't even know.

I would say, I gotta put Will Ferrell in there.

Ever met him?

Ever.

I'm gonna put Gary Owens.

That guy's so funny.

I love Gary Owens.

I can say why it's funny, right?

Because he's a white guy doing mostly black people.

Yeah, he's a black guy basically.

Yeah, it's so funny.

And I grew up in a town that wasn't all white.

And so that guy doing that makes me laugh so hard

because there were guys on my high school that was like that.

And everybody was like, yeah, cool, all good.

Yeah, he's funny.

How's he out here?

He's so funny to me.

I'm gonna say, I'll say Jim Carrey and I need one more.

I love, I mean, I guess it's just my time,

but there's between Eddie Murphy and,

probably Kevin Hart.

Kevin's just in my time right now.

Do you know Kevin Hart?

No.

Walt Passam and Cold Times was like the president.

Walt Passam, it was crazy.

There's eight security guards, like that's.

Ever met Michael Jordan?

Yeah, yeah.

So I go and play his course from my birthday area

for a birthday trip.

So we've got to the point where he just comes up to me

and asks me out now, it's pretty crazy.

That's pretty crazy.

My friend Kenny, so he can't always say,

it was okay, I have a birthday trip, my hand.

My boy Kenny ran over right after he drove off

and just don't grab my hand, touching it.

One degree, he touches Michael Jordan, one degree.

What's on your mind?

What's on my mind?

Yeah, it's on your mind.

And I'm just happy, I'm excited.

It felt like the last four years,

kind of like a shell for me.

What do you mean by that?

Like just, like I didn't know if I wanted music anymore.

You know, were you getting burnt out?

Not necessarily burnt out.

I think I was just like, I was just trying to please

the wrong people, you know?

I wasn't doing anything for me.

I was doing it just a people pleaser.

I'm like, I don't wanna do that no more.

Just need to worry about my fans,

which is what I did, like day one and have fun.

And I got to this point where I was just like,

I have a name now, Kane Brown, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Like you can't post anything that makes you look not cool.

And so that's why if you go look at all my social media

posts now, I'm generally having fun posting

and they're working.

So just getting back to me, you feel myself.

But this is my first year ever talking to a therapist as well.

And he made me sit down and find my inner child

that I was like protecting.

Dude, I broke down, it was crazy.

Have you done the thing where you put a picture of yourself

up as a kid and talk to it?

So same concept.

But instead he made me pick a stuffed animal,

which I was gonna sound kind of crazy,

but I picked a monkey and put it in front of me.

And I don't know what it was.

It was just like this energy.

And then he made me switch seats.

And he said, now as a kid,

what would you tell your older self now?

And bro, I lost it.

I was like, you're doing great, man.

You're doing great.

Did the same thing, same exact thing happened.

I don't know how you are in private.

I don't cry really a lot in public or person.

And not because it's a, to me, it's not a masculine.

Anything, it's a vulnerability thing.

Because coming from where I come from, you couldn't be weak.

I couldn't be weak, I gotta get out.

I gotta protect, I gotta find.

So it's never like, I'm a dude, I can't cry.

It's like, I have to be strong, I can't be weak.

If I'm weak, I lose.

That's how I've felt.

I'm breaking that cycle now.

But put up a picture of me as a kid, did the same thing.

Thought it was stupid for about,

I don't know, eight to 10 seconds.

I thought, I lost it.

I did too.

And then I, yeah.

I was like, there's no way I'm gonna cry.

And then I do the thing where, if and when I cry,

like I physically, I start doing them.

I can't even talk.

My face gets red.

That was it.

And then I switch seats.

And then I just now recently start to feel like,

if I were a kid, I would think I was cool.

And I think that's real, for me, I think that's real growth.

Because there's a lot of times,

I think I've really hated myself for a long time

for many reasons.

But now I think, if I met a 12 year old me,

I think that kid would think I was cool.

And I liked that about me.

Do you think that about you?

Yeah, yeah.

But I think another, you know, just in here talking to you,

this is really good for us, by the way.

You know what I'm saying?

Why is that?

Why is that?

I'm just saying, I feel like,

because we started out on a rocky edge.

Like when we first started.

Yeah, but we've been friends long since then.

Yeah, but we still haven't had,

got to sit down and have a conversation.

That's fair.

I mean, it's not like, come in, talk about a single.

Yeah, that's fair.

That's fair, that's fair.

I'm good to learn about you.

Because I've had to pay you money from golf,

and you've had to hold up a golf,

like we did on the golf course together,

but I guess you really don't talk.

You're right, because there are other guys around.

And I just remember looking

as you thinking, I sure would like to hug him,

but I didn't, because there are other people around.

Yeah, that is nice.

That is nice.

All right, go ahead.

So, where were we?

You were talking about how good looking I am.

And I appreciated that.

I'm not really a model, not known as a model,

but for you to say that.

No, it was talking therapy.

And I said, I thought that me as a kid would think I'm cool.

Yeah, I don't,

I don't look at myself like, I mean,

yeah, if I was a kid, I would hope,

I would think I was cool.

But for me, oh yeah, that's what I was gonna say.

So as talking to you, like for me,

I don't,

I can people like, oh, you're a cane brown.

Like you should be so happy and yada, yada, yada.

It's like, for me, I kind of don't, I don't,

I beat myself up more than the worst hater could.

You know what I mean?

I'm a perfectionist.

So every time I walk off stage,

I'm like, it wasn't good enough.

And I always, you know, ask my team, like I was it.

And I used to not, which is good,

which is, it's now it's good to me

because that cares back.

For the longest or the last four years,

I've just been whatever, whatever happens happens.

So that's why I really like this year

and hopefully moving forward,

I can keep it like this

cause I'm to a point now where I care.

Do you like yourself?

Yeah.

I like myself a lot.

But when I, you know, for the reading comments,

makes me feel like I'm the biggest douchebag in the world, you know?

It's, I dude, I swear to God,

I'm so happy you say that.

I was just saying to someone recently,

who's in a space similar to what we are.

I said, if it weren't for my brain,

now I think I was the most hated person on earth.

Yeah.

Because everything that I possibly could read about me is bad.

It makes me feel like everybody hates me.

Like if I were just going by what I consumed

and like what my feelings were,

I feel like everybody hates me.

It takes my brain to weigh in and go,

Hey man, here's, let's look at the data.

Yeah.

Because if not, like I can spiral into nobody,

likes me, what I do and I'm not worthy.

And luckily I have a wife now

that will say all of this stuff,

as much as it matters, it doesn't matter.

Meaning all of this cameras and microphones

and she's, you know, with her it's been a,

there are things that matter and your career matters

and it got you out of a bad place

and you've been able to help a lot of others because of that.

But when it comes to what you're valuing,

at times she's been able to write me on,

I think I value at times,

like what sentiment is towards me,

which isn't even right, by the way.

But it's been a real reality check of what matters

and what doesn't.

Like human, because I didn't have human,

like humans that I would allow

to like get into me until I met my wife.

I wonder if you had that.

Yeah, you sounded like you just kind of like shut down.

Yeah, that or I just, I didn't,

I didn't have like a real relationship with a human.

Yeah, I didn't either.

I just did.

I just now kind of started to this past year,

just like people in my life, they'd walk in my house,

my wife, you know, I'll chip her,

hi, good to see you, I wouldn't say,

hey, I wouldn't say bye, I wouldn't say anything.

So other than like my friends from high school.

Then you get a Twitter fight with them.

The next thing you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Man, I'm glad to hear you're in like a healthy place,

because I'm in a healthy place.

Good.

And I really like it, like as a person,

because this isn't recording,

we were just like warming up.

We're about to start now and we're gonna start.

First question.

I like that song.

I love country music.

Wouldn't you write that one?

Yeah, right.

I do like that song though.

That song, yeah.

That sounds cool.

Are we talking about that song now?

We don't have to.

I played it the other day.

I was doing like a thing on the air.

Like that song is fun, because it just,

bodyroom, that room, that room.

That room, like that's fun one.

You don't like that one?

Love it.

That's what we start the show with this year.

Oh yeah, that's not a good one.

Keep that one.

Yeah.

I like that one.

You didn't put that in your top five though.

Well, that one, that one, I would say just real quick.

That one, I had that song and it just disappeared for two years.

And then I was going through music and we had cut it.

And I heard the demo, the version that we cut,

we just, it wasn't, it didn't hit the same as the demo.

So we went back and then it ended up making the album

year or two years later.

What it disappears, what does that mean?

You know, we write so much music that eventually just gets down

in the bottom of the barrel.

If it don't do nothing for me,

I forget about it.

Specifically song wise, you mentioned it earlier,

but tell me about woman.

Yeah, so woman, then,

so normally when you think of a song,

you write it down immediately.

And this one was not one of those and it hit me twice.

So I was on my back porch and we have glass doors on the back porch

and you can see end to our kitchen and our living room.

So my boys on the back porch for me and they're like,

we're bored, it's not a clock.

Like we should go to bars downtown.

That's what I was like going to the bars, man.

And they said, let's just go, just do it.

And my one friend, he's single.

He's like, yeah, man, I need a girlfriend anyway,

blah, blah, blah.

So I look through my back window and I see Kate in the kitchen

and she's just cleaning up, getting ready for bed.

And I thought to myself, man, I was saying you're talking

about girls, but I got a woman.

Fast forward a couple months later,

I'm doing a writing retreat and we wrote like seven songs

and I'm we're in that seven song

and I just get just like exhausted.

I'm like, I'm checked out of the song,

don't want to finish it.

So they, I'm going to warm up my food just to kill time

and hope they finish this last line.

And as I'm, as I'm heating my food up,

it hit me again.

I'm like, they're talking about girls, but I got a woman.

And so I walked in and a toss.

I think I got our next song to write

and it was Ashley Gourley and Ben Johnson Taylor Phillips

and John Byron and I just, I told him that line

and this is bro, where did this come from?

I said, I was just warming up my turkey and it hit me.

And we wrote that song and afterwards,

Ashley was like, yo, we're not writing anymore today.

And once we got the song back from demo,

I said, this is it, this is my single.

And when I first got started, I followed my gut.

Like my gut is what got me where I'm at today.

And that I haven't felt it.

And those, all those years I was been telling you

but I just lost it.

I couldn't find it.

It hit me with that song and it just gave me the fire back

under me to start writing again

and just to get my creativeness out of,

I've been like, for the last 10 years,

I haven't got, been able to get my creativeness out

because people have been limiting what I can do

because I've been in this, this no offense,

love country music, but I've been in this country box.

And I know I have released outside of that stuff,

but that's limited to me wanting to dance,

me wanting to bring dancers.

That stuff's not done in country music,

but just imagine if it was,

and I got to be who I want to be,

I've been trying to protect myself

from what people want to say.

So I'm really excited for this album in 2026 and 2027

because I'm just whatever I'm just doing here.

When the album's ready, let's do it again.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm excited.

It'll be a while, right?

Yeah.

Summer fall.

My mom's birthday.

This has been good, man.

Like seriously.

Yeah.

Also, I want to go, I want to go see your car.

So we're going to cut this.

Let's go.

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