Bonus Episode: Hollywood’s Origin Scandal Story

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1:01Mariah Carey and Luis Miguel. I'm Maria Garcia. You may remember me from my podcast, Anything for Selena or my Divo. And now I'm back to unpack more stories from the present and the past. Listen to Mui Excited with Maria Garcia on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I survived nine months in captivity. And I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are the survivor files. Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable, abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. These are stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to the survivor files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Dear listeners of Hollywood Land, does it feel like you're stuck in limbo, standing under a flickering street light at the corner of Hollywood

2:03and True Crime, waiting for the next episode of Hollywood Land to drop? I got you. Welcome to Hollywood Land, the rap party. What's happening, my fellow movie geeks, you true crime freaks just like me. You guys like your movie history served up with the side of grit and grime. This, of course, is the place where we rescue stories from the cutting room floor. The stories that were left behind, the very same stories that have now made you the most dangerous person at the party. I'm your host, Zeth Lundy, writer, showrunner, and good doctor here at Double Elvis in today in the Hollywood Land, the rap party we are talking about Roscoe Fadi Arbuckle, William Desmond Taylor, Mabel Norman, and the birth of the Hollywood scandal, which means that later in this episode, I'll be joined by Jake Brennan of Discretsland

3:04to drop some dirty wrecks for you guys, all about scandalous movies and music. Plus, I've got your calls, your texts, your emails. So come on, everybody. Let's party. It was 105 years ago this past Labor Day weekend that Hollywood still in its infancy was faced with its first real scandal. Because it was on September 5, 1921, that the highest paid, imbest-known actor in pictures, Roscoe Fadi Arbuckle hosted a debauched, party inside his hotel room at the St. Francis in San Francisco, a wild party at which an unknown actress on the come-up, 30-year-old Virginia Repay, endured an alleged violent sexual assault and assault that Fadi Arbuckle would be subsequently arrested and put on trial for. I'm not going to reletigate this, but I'm going to be a little bit more careful

4:05because I'm going to be a little bit more careful because I'm going to be a little bit more careful because I'm looking down on the time of the mid-food cię wwwk 팬� الخ Syans but after 12 months the prometual was carefully handled every day of the season he was in R&D. So the next year was the second place you were paid and what we are going to do is avoid the sideline and by the look of the head of the public, stay at home, stay on the list, shocked by what they read in the papers about all the crazy illegal depraved things that were going on in Hollywood. The bootlegged alcohol and the elicit drugs and the unbridled sex and hedonism. Fatty's death orgy was one of the real headlines that ran in one of William Randolph-Hurts' newspapers at the time. Sexual assault rate, murder, it's just a shot away and yes, it's also admittedly far

5:06more serious than your standard Hollywood Babylon titillation, but it's all part of the same package. The public had and continues to have this unquenchable desire to see how the other half lives, to watch in equal parts contempt and envy and then to revel in the downfall of a seemingly untouchable icon who sinks not only to the common man's level, but sinks even lower. Don't forget to paraphrase Robin Williams that America is a country made up partly of ancestors of the Puritans, people who were so uptight that even the English kicked them out. Three trials later, Fatty Arbuckle was acquitted, but his career was ruined. This may have been the end of the road for Roscoe Fatty Arbuckle, the comedian and his unprecedented career as an entertainer, but it was just the beginning for Hollywood scandal. Once the next year, in 1922, the director William Desmond Taylor was found dead, murdered

6:06inside his Los Angeles bungalow. What followed was a media circus of witnesses and suspects and motives and missing evidence and ultimately no answers. If Fatty Arbuckle was Hollywood's first great sex scandal, then William Desmond Taylor was its first great murder mystery and it's a mystery that remains unsolved to this day. One of William Desmond Taylor's good friends, the actress, Mabel Normand, the last person to see the director alive was interrogated by the LAPD but was ultimately eliminated as a suspect in that murder. Mabel Normand was no stranger to scandal by this time. She had starred alongside Fatty Arbuckle in some of his films and was a defense witness at his trial. When William Desmond Taylor was killed, the same papers that had vilified Fatty Arbuckle hinted that Mabel Normand was a dope fiend and then it was her dealer who had committed the murder. Then her notoriety grew even more in 1924 when her chauffeur shot the Denver, Colorado

7:12oil bearing, Cortland Dines, with her gun, a newly minted scandal that resulted in theaters all over the country pulling Normand's films from distribution just like they had pulled Fatty Arbuckle's films a few years prior. And a couple of years after that in 1930, Mabel Normand died of TB at the age of 36. Now it was around this time that Hollywood following the scandals of Fatty Arbuckle, William Desmond Taylor and Mabel Normand while under a normish political pressure attempted to sanitize its scandalous image by instituting the infamous motion picture production code aka the Hays Code, a system of morality which dictated what you could and couldn't say or do or show in an American film. This is a period during which despite the rigid set of rules put upon filmmakers, many of classic Hollywood's most enduring films were produced from the Wizard of Oz to Citizen

8:12Kane to Casablanca. In the case of Casablanca, the Hays Code would not allow Ilsa to leave Lazlo for Rick because part of the code dictated that you could not show a married woman leaving her husband for another man. But out of that restriction came one of the most iconic endings in Hollywood history. And it also foreshadowed further Hollywood scandal when the actress who played Ilsa in Gridbergman found herself in exile from the industry when it was revealed that not only was she a married woman having an affair with the Italian director Roberto Rosalini who was also married but that the two were expecting a child together. This may not seem like a huge deal to us now but at the time when it happened the late 40s into the early 50s, this revelation that a married woman and a married man were having an affair and had a child. I mean it literally changed the course of Ingrid Bergerin's career practically overnight.

9:15And the scandals didn't stop there. You guys know this. You listen to the show. There was Charlie Chaplin and his marriages to teenage girls. There was the paternity suit. There was the political targeting that occurred at the height of the so called red scare. There was Robert Mitchum and his reefer bust. There was Academy Award nominee Lana Turner and the murder of her gangster boyfriend, Johnny Stomponato, inside her house. There was Sharon Tate murdered Roman Polanski, disgraced Bob Kreen murdered Natalie Wood dead under mysterious circumstances. John Balushi snuffed out by a speedball, Heidi Fleiss, Hugh Grant, Robert Downey Jr. well known a writer, Mel Gibson, Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, Alec Baldwin, the list goes on. The scandals go on 105 years later. We still can't get enough of these scandals. We continue to follow them with equal parts, contempt and envy. Not just because they offer us the ability to calibrate our own moral compasses, but

10:20because they offer us the opportunity to watch, to be a voyeur. That's what watching movies is all about. They satisfy our desire to watch in some of the greatest movies from history or about this very human trait, rear window, peeping tom, the conversation, blow out the Truman show, sex lies and videotape. This is why scandal and the movies go hand in hand because we can't help but watch. Scandals on the brain today guys, coming up in a little bit, you're not going to want to miss another edition of Dirty Rex here in Hollywood land. When I'm joined by Jake Brennan host of Discrease Land, we're going to give you guys some recommendations for scandalous movies and music. Listen, we did ask you guys out there in Hollywood land.

11:21If anybody wants to make us a little Dirty Rex theme music, send it into us. We're dead serious about this. If you throw together a little jingle or a little ditty, it can be instrumental. Maybe you're singing. I don't know. You want to throw it together and send it our way. You can email it to us at Discrease LandPod at gmail.com. You can text it to us, I guess, at 617-90663-8. Get us your Dirty Rex theme songs. Continuing to think on scandals as they relate to Hollywood. Coming up this Friday guys, right here in the feed, I'll have a new installment of the screening room in which I'll do a deep dive into the 1992 Robert Altman film, The Player. This is one of my favorite movies of all time. It stars Tim Robbins along with a generous selection of Hollywood stars from that time in history. Many of them briefly playing themselves. It is an acidic love letter to Hollywood and it is also a murder mystery and one of the

12:23most meta pieces of filmmaking ever made. If you have seen it, give me a shout and let me know what you think of this film. 617-90663-8. If you have not seen it, it is available to stream on the criterion channel right now. Then come and actually next week on Monday, our fully scripted and sound design episode from the archive on Sharon Stone. Until then, if you're still looking for more stories from the intersection of maybe not only Hollywood and true crime, but music and true crime, you can hop over to our sister show, The Discrets Land Feed, and check out a brand new episode that just dropped yesterday about Queen and Freddie Mercury. Queen is one of the biggest selling bands in music history and Bohemian Rhapsody. The movie is one of the highest grossing biopics of all time. I mean, think second to Michael, the Michael Jackson biopic.

13:23It's the highest grossing music biopic of all time. But did the movie give us a true portrait of Freddie Mercury or is this real story so debauched, so insane that it borders on unbelievable? Listen to this episode to find out. You can check that out, of course, on Apple podcasts, the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. But enough about us, enough about me. Let's hear what you have to say. We're going to check out your voice mails, your texts, your emails, and more. See you after this quick break, hang tight. Welcome aboard season six of The Girlfriends, Flight or Fight, which takes place 30,000 feet in the sky. There's great food, comfortable chairs, and attentive stewardesses.

14:26The stewardesses were so beautiful. But in reality, the stewardess job is far less glamorous than it appears. It was the most sexist job I think you could have. In this era, the airlines told these stewardesses they have to be single. They had no good excuse for why they wouldn't let women be married. They have to be skinny. We were starving ourselves. And they have to be young. You would retire at age 32. But one day, a group of stewardesses said, this has got to stop. They risked it all, turning a fight for fairness into a revolution. Listen to The Girlfriends, Flight or Fight, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Starting with the stars is looking for a new pro. And since last season, I came in eighth place.

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16:28I remember you thinking that. Listen to Podlandia A.O. rewatch on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right. What's up, guys? Dr. Lunding, hang in with you here in the Hollywood Land Wrap Party as always 617-906-6638. That's how you get in touch. Leave a voice mail. Send the text just like this caller from the 903. Hey, Jake and Dr. Jack. Quite a lot of you guys. I heard you guys talking about the Anglo-File or Anglo-Centric episode you're talking about about all the British stuff you're discussing at that point. I had to call in with one of my favorite, favorite British shows that happened upon. I used to be up 2-3 in the morning, which that's what I'm waiting for. I'm calling right now.

17:28It's so time in my life, I was up at that point. Anyway, it's called Open All Hours. It's about a convenience store in the UK. I'm guessing in the late 70s, early 80s maybe. It's about Grandville and his father, grandfather, Uncle, I forget the exact family dynamics. It's like old guy and younger guy, and then they basically run a convenience store. It's before stores were laid out like they are now. We're all the products right out there and you give yourself. You went to the counter in order to them and then they got the products and they run to you. It's just really very, if you like to any of the stuff you guys are talking about, the British comedy and Tim Curry and all that stuff, it's like you would love the show. You guys would eat up with the spoon. You guys are talking about all that, just anything about that. Also, on the before, when we talked about alien shows and I had called about it about the No One Will Come Savvy. There's also a movie that my brother turned me on to called Freaky Tales.

18:33It's about the, there's a basketball play called named Sixty Floyd. That he's a prominent character which is in the movie that he basically, if you want to guys want to talk about flow state, he basically goes off with the Sam Rassoward on a whole bunch of punk's versus neo-Nazis basically. But it is really, really, really, really cool. Freaky Tales, Open All Hours. I love you guys. Keep it going. Robert Rober. Hey, thanks for that. Thanks for keeping the flow state going. I appreciate that. So think about the flow state, man. Once you get into it, you don't want to get out. So I'm loving this Samurai Sword Flow State Freaky Tales recommendation. I have heard of this Freaky Tales movie. This is the one with Pedro Pascal, right? It looks pretty cool. I have not seen it yet. So I'm my list that gets longer and longer and longer every day. Open All Hours.

19:33I don't know that I've ever heard of this show before, but I'm going to take your word for it, 903. And I'm going to check it out because love me some English content for sure. Thanks again for listening 903 and for calling 6179066638. That's how you get in touch over here. You got another voicemail here from the 315. This is a message for Zephyrus. This is Fredwin from the 315. Look, not a huge tin curry fan, although however, no one makes a mention of the Ridley Scott lick legend. He plays darkness or board of darkness. Totally off script for like pretty much everything that I've seen him act in, at least in my lifetime of watching flicks. Oh yeah, and then like the fireplace in Lord Darkness is layered. It has those fire dogs on that metal rack to hold to logs. And those little skeleton guys with arms crossed got used on the album cover for to ride,

20:38shoot straight and speak the truth by entombed from Sweden, Death Metal Band, Death and Roll Band. Anyways, just wanted to get the tin curry as darkness and Ridley Scott mentioned hopefully brought to your attention. Dr. Rolo. Oh great call. You know, I completely spaced on legend when talking about Tim Curry. His role is darkness in that film. He's this giant red motherfucker in that movie with horns. I spaced on that probably because Tim Curry is so unrecognizable in that role and also because it traumatized me as a kid. He scared the shit out of me in that movie. You know, thanks to him and the skecsies from the dark crystal that was around that same time. The 1980s traumatized me very, very well. I was even traumatized by a job of the hut. All right. And I had this recurring, not nightmare, but just fear the job of the hut was like sliming

21:43his way up the exterior wall of our house to get into my window, which I mean, dude, that's so stupid. Like a job of the hut can't fucking move. Let alone slither his way vertically up to a second story bedro. It's just so dumb. Anyways, I think that's why I wasn't thinking about Tim Curry and legend, but you're absolutely right. I did not know that about the intumed album cover art. Before do I ever clock this as a Ridley Scott film Ridley Scott actually made this movie? I mean, I guess it doesn't, it doesn't, it kind of does shock me. This is like right after Blade Runner, right? Wild man Ridley Scott's had a wild career. Lots of ups, lots of downs, lots of ins, outs, what have yous. 315. Thanks for the voicemail. 617906638. Got a text here from Mani in the 973. 315906638. It says, I love that you mentioned the movie Annie. The house in the movie is the main building called Wilson Hall named after Woodrow Wilson

22:47in Mommouth University. It's the college by my house in Mommouth County, New Jersey. And the bridge from the scene at the end is right behind the office of the company I work for in Newark. Mani 973. Thank you for that. That's so cool. I love when you find houses or neighborhoods or whatever that were used in movies like that. It's always a trip, especially when it's in your own backyard. It's pretty cool. 617906638. Got a text here from the 224. It says, I'm listening to your episode called the Robin Williams Flow. I never knew about the wine story. This is my first time ever listening to your podcast. I enjoy it so far. Your voice is very soothing. I guess there is a spin-off podcast called Disgrace Land. This is very interesting to me. Well, 224. Thank you, first of all, for the soothing voice comment that's going to go straight to my ego. Thank you. You got it backwards. Actually, this show, Hollywood Land, is the spin-off of Disgrace Land.

23:49Disgrace Land is the OG podcast about music and true crime. And Hollywood Land is the spin-off version, which is very similar, just from the POV of movies instead of music. But hey, welcome to our world. Welcome to the show. I hope you enjoy it. We've got a huge, huge archive of scripted and unscripted episodes, as you'll see, both here and over in the Disgrace Land feed. 6179066638. That's how you get in touch. Text from the 808. It says, for Seth, bird of a different flavor is the analogy I settled on since Turkey and chicken taste different. On a side note, in regards to saying, I got my kids to start this phrase, and maybe it'll catch on with this audience. You are so normal in baits, psycho. You can also say, as the 808 points out here, that is so normal in baits, dot, dot, dot, psycho. The pause before the final word makes it fun, rockerola.

24:52I agree. I love that pause before saying psycho. I'm going to test this out. Two of my three kids would get this because two of them have seen psycho. You know, it was wild. I don't know if I mentioned this or not. My now 17-year-old, I guess she was 16 at the time. I had psycho on late one night and she came home from, she was out with friends or something. She came home and it was like, Janet Lee had just checked in to the motel and she sat down and she was riveted. She couldn't, she could not, it was late. She wanted to go to bed, but she had to finish watching it. It was cool because she generally doesn't have the attention span for a full movie, although she will watch multiple one-hour episodes of TV shows back to back, but it was cool that she sat down and watched this black and white film from 1960 or whatever. And thank you, 808, for giving us that saying. And it was talking about a bird of a different flavor. I think that was some yogi bearer inspired saying that I said recently for some reason. And yeah, I'm glad that I'm not crazy.

25:54I'm glad there are fellow people just like me saying weird shit out there. 617-9066-638 is the number. Oh, I got a text here from the 270. It says, this is Kate from the 270. Regarding the recent Sharon Tate episodes, did you know that Mark Lindsay of Paul Revere and the Raiders once lived at the house on C.L.O. Drive where Sharon, her friends, her unborn child and one poor unlucky kid who was on the wrong place at the wrong time were murdered? Scott Michaels of Find a Death actually did a video on this. There was a photo of Mark Lindsay on the fence outside the house. You can match it up. All that weird late 60s shit comes back around and rock a roll of baby. Hey, thanks, Kate. I did not know that or if I did, I'd forgotten about it. Lots of people going through that house around that time. Lots of different people living there including the music producer Terry Melcher, which leads into one of these theories about why Manson went to that house in the first place was because he thought Terry Melcher was there because Terry Melcher had ghosted him for his budding

26:58music career there. But I did not know that Mark Lindsay once lived there as well. It's wild. Thanks, Kate. I appreciate that. Thank you for texting in. Listen, guys. You can text. You can call. You can also send us an email at disgracelampodatgmail.com. I got an email from Jason here with the subject line, British Deep Dive. Okay. Jake, before I read this, Jake and I were talking about our love of all things British and English and wanting to spend some time and more time and attention there. So Jason's email reads, Zethan, Jason and the eight four five here. If you want a deep dive, I am a British comedy aficionado here or some of the best British comedy shows to watch to get a sense of the more edgy stuff and some not edgy but still fantastic. The A list, Garth, Marengi's dark place, only six episodes, the best, the IT crowd, man down, the thick of it, spaced, peep show, task master.

28:05Here we go. The mighty bush, Nathan Barley, black atter, the day today, Alan Partridge, black books, the young ones, ghosts, not the crummy American version. Many Reeves and Mortimer show and would I lie to you? He also includes the office with the caveat, even though I despise the G-man and is disingenuous, you can't say anything in comedy anymore, lying garbage. The G-man, I believe is Ricky Jervais that he's referring to there. Thank you Jason for this list and I got to admit out of this list, I know about space that was a silent peg thing like early on, right? I've seen a bunch of episodes of peep show, which I did like. I've seen a little of the mighty bush, I've seen some Alan Partridge. Jake talked about the young ones a little while back here, but besides that, I don't know about most of these, including Garth, Marengi's dark place, which you said is the best. So I'm thinking maybe that's where I start.

29:07I wonder if any of you guys out there have seen any of these and have your own opinions on these. If you do, you know what to do. Discrease land pod at gmail.com is the email address 617906638 is the phone number or maybe you're a member of Discrease land all access over on Patreon. And if you are, you know that you can just jump into the chat over there. The chat is always on man 24 or 7 365 days a year, another perk of being a member over there in Patreon on the sound and fury tier level, which is our video tier. Of course, is that you can watch our video podcast. This film should be played loud, which is where Hollywood land and Discrease land come together once a month to give you a deep dive into the great, great music behind some of our favorite films of all time. We've got a new ish episode out there right now on licorice pizza. You've got other episodes you can watch on high fidelity days to confuse the big Lebowski

30:12boogie nights. We've got a new one coming at you later this month, the last week of this month, the last Wednesday of September. Not telling you guys what it is yet, you're going to have to wait a little bit longer. But trust me, when I say this is another stacked soundtrack right in the the sweet Gen X zone. So stay tuned for that. And if you're not a member of Discrease land all access and you want to learn more, just go to disgracelandpod.com. And right there on the homepage is all the information that you need. All right. All the information that's fit to print. Now listen, I'm going to take one more quick break here. But when I come back, I'm going to be joined by Jake Brennan from Discrease land. We're going to give you guys some dirty wrecks, all about some scandalous movies and music. You don't want to miss this. Be right back. Welcome aboard season six of the girlfriends flight or fight, which takes place 30,000 feet in the sky. There's great food, comfortable chairs and attentive stewardesses.

31:17The stewardesses were so beautiful. But in reality, the stewardess job is far less glamorous than it appears. It was the most sexist job I think you could have. In this era, the airlines told these stewardesses they have to be single. They had no good excuse for why they wouldn't let women be married. They have to be skinny. We were starving ourselves. And they have to be young. You would retire at age 32. But one day, a group of stewardesses said, this has got to stop. They risked it all, turning a fight for fairness into a revolution. Listen to the girlfriends flight or fight on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the burden of guild season three podcast.

32:17This is a story about a horrendous situation that destroyed two families. It's a scorched earth war that shows just how far someone will go to get what they want. Cindy said, we had to choose between the truth and my family. And I had to choose the truth. Listen to season three of burden of guilt on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Dancing with the Stars is looking for a new pro. And since last season, I came in eighth place. I'm basically an expert. I'm Daniel Fishall. And I'm Valchmer Kofsky. And we have a new podcast called Stepping on Toes with Danielle and Val. Every week we're breaking down Dancing with the Stars the next pro to find out who I'll be sharing the bond with next season. Listen to Stepping on Toes on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow Stepping on Toes and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today. Welcome everybody back into the rap party. We are here in the dirty rec section.

33:19So I got my guy Jay Brennan here with me. How's it going man? How was your weekend? When I was just saying, I recommend a full reorg of your garage, your garage or whatever you have for your storage space. The tremendous amount of satisfaction I have coming into the week after reorganizing my garage, the word I can't say, over the weekend is I'm feeling pretty fucking good about myself if I must say is that? I'm glad. I'm glad one of us has their garage under control because mine is not, mine sort of become the place where things that we're getting rid of goes, you can never get rid of them. And it's like, it's this, every time I think about it, it's just I have crippling anxiety. I have to deal with this at some point. Journalist saying like, I know exactly what you're saying. That's why it's like a good cleanse. It's a good back. I got to do it. You know, it's what I mean, your dirty, the dirty rex, you get a good back. It's a good cleanse. Hopefully a good soundtrack to a company to the cleanse too. Well, dude, I rocked the Don Let's Sound System or whatever it's called.

34:24Hell yeah. Which was fantastic. Great. Great. What is that called again? So the people know it's a BBC show. It's on BBC Saturday, late afternoon, Eastern time here in the US. Yeah. Don, it's, what is the rebel, rebel dreads, the rebel dread radio hour or something like that with Don Let's? Yeah. Yeah. That's a great Saturday afternoon. Listen. Oh, man. That's great. On radio. You know, you have to tune in when it's available. I highly recommend you guys find the WNBR.org website. And on Saturday mornings, that's MIT's radio station stream. John Funky's radio show, Backwoods at 10am. I've been listening to it. I had this thought this week. I've been listening to it, I think, for like 30 years. And no shit. Almost every Saturday, it's on from 10 to 12. It's incredible. Rock and roll, rhythm and blues country. It is, it's just amazing. And he's like an old time radio DJ. That's his whole stick, you know what I mean? He's got sound effects. And he's just, he's so, he's subversive and he's weird and he's a throwback to DJs

35:31that predated our knowledge of radio, our experience with radio. I should say, I love it so much. Just turn me on to so much music, like so, so, so much music. His, he's encyclopedic. His, his knowledge of rhythm and blues. It's fantastic. Great. I gotta add that to, I won't get into the details here, but I sort of have my week programmed out with different radio shows from different places around the world. And Saturday morning, I don't have one. That's a lot. That's perfect. It's perfect in there. I love it because it's perfect for like Saturday morning stuff, like your cruise and around doing errands, you're in the house just chill. Whatever it is, it's, it's just, it's great. It's awesome. It's fantastic. This was hard this week, fantasy ones. I gotta say, this was like, because I didn't know if you wanted literal fantasy recommendations to which I thought, I don't, how well do I know Seth? And what can I lay on him? And then I, and then I thought, you know, I'm I just, we're just going to talk about Spencer Davis group here. Is that all we're doing?

36:31I mean, hold on, hold on. You mean traffic, first of all. Oh, yeah, sorry. Second of all, second of all. I think our signal's got crossed here because this was not the topic for today. No. I mean, it was the topic in disgrace land. I think the queen episode is about fantasy and reality, but in Hollywood land, we're talking about fatty, arbuckle and scandals. And so the subject had been scandalous. Oh, scandalous movies. Well, I am ill prepared, my friend. We're, we're going to have to talk. I'm giving fantasy recsand. I'm giving dirty, dirty fantasy recs. Great. Right. And you can scandal, scandalous fantasies, you know, scandalous fantasies. You do scandal. I'll do fantasy scandalous fandies. I mean, scandalous fantasies. That's the name of our little one. You ever have one of those movies when you're talking to somebody and they start talking about something and you're like, wait a minute. This was no, this was not part of, wait, what are you talking about? Have you met my wife? Yes. Of course. Of course. All right. So I'll go first because I fucked it. All right. So, you know, I'm saying here, say, this is hard.

37:32Like fantasy is hard. Like it's, it's difficult, you know, because all lyrical writing is in a way, not all of it, but a lot of it in rock and roll is fantasy. So I have, I'm going to, I'm corining way, way, way off of the theme here. I have vampires on the brain because I'm rereading Salem's lot because my son is reading Salem's lot. And I'm trying to stay a couple chapters ahead of him to ward off the vampire. No, to see like, if there's anything that's too advanced for him that I'm worried he's going to scar him for life. Oh, right. The whole family except my wife is reading it. Now we have friends reading it as well. And we're actually going to have a book club night about this book. And I'm, I just entered the third part and I cannot believe how incredible this, I forgot how great this book is. I'm going to go read other Stephen King books after this just to see if this is like the best of it all. Right.

38:32I don't remember reading Carrie. Carrie was first, right? That's his first book. Salem's lot is his second. Yeah, something like that. And I don't, yeah. Well, this thing, man, it's unbelievable. Vampires are on the brain. I actually just watched Able for ours, the addiction for the second time. Nice. I watched it the other night might be my favorite vampire movie. So I thought vampires are fantasy, right? Right? Yeah, of course they're also scandalous. You can really, really stretch. So in the, in the spirit of the vampire fantasy, there is no better recommendation than vampire from the misfits from 1981's Walk Among Us, which, depending on, depending on when you catch me, might be my favorite misfits album and vampire. I mean, good God, man. Good God. It's just, it's a blitz from start to finish. And Glenn Danzig, like Able for our, who is really commenting on, he's commenting on

39:39philosophy and he's commenting on drug addiction. Glenn Danzig is always using fantasy to comment on something else. And I don't exactly know what he's using the lyrics in this song to comment where his state of mind was. I'm not going to go that far, but this song's amazing. Check it out if you do not know it. I watched Phantom Gorma when I was in Boston a couple of weeks ago and now I feel like I feel like an Andalman brother when I'm giving you my recommendations, vampire from the North Shore. Yeah, I can't do this. Show is still going. Oh, yeah, man, it goes for it. It's a fucking ratings juggernaut. I'm sure not. I don't know. Okay. Second recommendation. God, now I really sound like Dave Andalman in my head right now. Second recommendation. Iron Maiden's Flight of the Icarus talk about fantasy from 1983's Peace of Mind. Mythology is a version of fantasy. Is it not or is it just how the ancients dealt with hard shit that they couldn't explain? I don't know the answer to these questions. All I know is that flight of the Icarus owned me as a child.

40:40Do you know the song? Do you know flight of the Icarus? No, my Iron Maiden knowledge is laughable. Has Grant had a metal phase like this? I know he's into the heavy stuff, but it's more modern. Has he gone into the classics yet? I think he has a little bit. He's actually into the misfits right now. I was going to mention that. Nice. He was playing, he'll take over the, he'll connect to Bluetooth whenever he gets in the car and just play whatever. And he was been playing a bunch of misfits stuff. That's kind of more his bag right now. A good intro and he'll feed off of this. You know, they were the vampire adjective. He'll feed off of this with his misfits current obsession. Is garage garage garage garage days revisited. Oh, I'm a talker. Okay. Yeah. Because it not only has the misfits coming on. It's it's all covers. I think it's all covers. It delts into sort of classic metal, which it's a good, it's a good gateway drug to some of that like that English stuff that was happening that never really broke through that Iron Maiden kind of was born out of and they became the big ones.

41:41Yep. Just fantastic, fantastic record. Okay. My third recommendation here, and this is definitely a reach and I'm going to fuck the title of this. Okay. Alice Coltrane. Journey. And Sacktona Denadas. Satcha Denada. Satchin Denada. Satchin Denada. Satchin Denada. This is one of my top 10 records of all time. Yeah. Yeah. I've discussed play at least once a week in my house, usually like a Sunday morning or sorry, I don't mean to stop all of your take care, but it's all fucking incredible record. Like blows my mind every time I listen to it. Doesn't it sound like fantasy? It does. Right. And it like, if you told me when I was 12, like when you grow up, you're going to love this record that has like fucking harp on it and stuff. I was like, you're crazy. Yeah. You know, but it's, oh man, it's like it's like it's, it's very, it's so spiritual.

42:41I mean, it sounds so dumb to say, but it is. We should have a wreck, a spiritual wrecks because I have a lot to, there's a lot to think about when it comes to this, you know, but you're right. It does sound very spiritual. She's definitely picking up from her husband, John Coltrane sort of, or taking off from the sort of love, supreme of it all and the heavier stuff that he got into. This one though, I'm talking about the song. I think you're talking about the album in general. What's the first track on the album? The first track on the album of the same name with Farrell Sanders playing saxophone. It's, it's just, it's phenomenal. And you know, I got, I got to admit to something here when I was at Northeastern, one of my professors was friends with Alice Coltrane and there was some talk of, of having her come to class. And I was just like, I was so just disinterested. Like just fucking ignorant. You know what I mean? I also did have Max Roach come once and I fucking slept through it. I totally blew it.

43:42Youth is wasted on the run on, on, on, on the youth. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know, I don't think it's, I don't know, I think it's not a lot of it. But I did not. No, I remember being younger and thinking like, oh, Alice Coltrane was just as wife and she makes music too. Yeah. Like she, you know what I mean? Oh god, the worst. I'm so embarrassed just thinking that that's how I thought that, that's a good question. What are your music thoughts from your youth that you're embarrassed by right now? Oh, so many. Yeah, there's so many. So many. I absolutely completely dismissed electronic music as being like soloist because there were no real instruments involved for years, for years and now I can't get enough of that stuff. It's just, it's, I think it's like an us versus them mentality that you sort of have to in order to define your identity as a music or a film lover, you have to say that these other things suck to sort of really like go down that lane you want to go down. And then as you get older, you just, you just realize that it's all good, man. Like, you know, you're right. And I think

44:43that's like what great people like Joe Strummer and Mick Jones, the clash, like they embraced everything. They embraced Reggae and Dub and hip hop and, and R&B and rock. You know what I mean? Like, when you can kind of embrace everything, and Mick Jones electronic music. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I think, yeah, I see that the whole thing like drum machines have no soul. Like that whole thing is just, um, it just, it's a lazy, outdated, it is, it is. But I do sympathize with people who felt that way in the 80s, but the opposite of Mick Jones, even though I agree with you on what you're saying. I told 100% agree with you. And I pretty much always have agreed with what you're saying. Um, but I do understand the reaction that once was because back then there just wasn't a lot of great, or there was a lot of great electronic music. It was just hard to find. It was hard to get to much harder than it is now. You weren't far apart. Trolling through Georgia, um, a rotor. Now, of course, you know, I mean, it was like, it was not in

45:45crap and, you know, uh, fucking craft work and all that stuff. It was hard to get at the good stuff. And I feel like we're going through a similar thing right now. Uh, people are about to click off when I say this with, with AI. Now for the, on, on, for the most part, I think it's, it's fucking useless. I really do. And I know that sounds like an ignorant take, but just for my own experiences with everything they promise that it's going to do for us. And it's like, no, it's making more work for me, actually. Right. And it's taking the humanity out of it. Yeah. But there, but there are things that it is good at. And, you know, you can't write for me, but it can help me sort of, you know, figure out what, you know, what social post works better at this time. You know what I mean? Like that type of bullshit. Sure. Trolling like, you know, give me the eight books and don't lie to me about which ones are, are actual books on Farrow Sanders or what, you know, I mean, yeah, yeah. So, and, and we are going to get to a place where it is going to become extremely useful, useful and all different disciplines. But we're at that moment right now where it is toxic. It's reactionary. It's like what electronic music was in the 80s to people. People can't just

46:49fight. They can just fucking cannot cannot deal. And I, and I get it because the majority of it sucks. And I'm going to land this right now is that the, what they're promising us right now with AI is a fantasy. It is not even fucking close to what it can be, but just like electronic music. Maybe we will experience the sort of the greatness of it. But I think as far as experience, it's a soul, it's never going to fucking happen. Yeah, I agree with that for sure. Anyways, fucking rant time. Didn't even go down and fucking hold there. Each Monday morning. Tuesday actually. Monday is Tuesday morning ever. It's true. It's true. All right. What do you got? Turn me on. I've got, well, I've got scandal recommendations. And the first two involve like actual scandals from history. The first one is John sales eight men out from 1980. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which is a, so it's about the Chicago White Sox throwing the 1919 World Series. You know, this is the team that Shoe was Joe Jackson was on

47:52who's portrayed by DB Sweeney in this film. It also stars John Qsac, Charlie Sheen, David Strayaan. But this came out like this was sort of like the golden era for like baseball movies. It was like bull Durham major league field of dreams, right? These are all. You get to a lesser extent. Cause not bad. It's not necessarily good. It's not bad. But it was like this golden age or maybe it was a new golden age of baseball movies. It just seemed like they were just, I don't know, I was also really into baseball at this time. Like the history of baseball. But there was something about eight men out that felt like it was like, this is going to sound so pretentious when I say it out loud. It was like the thinking man's baseball movie in a way. It was like, it was like a smart baseball movie. At least in my, it wasn't 11 12 year old eyes. Yes. Sorry to cut your off. Yeah. It wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't overrun with sentimentality by the dreams, which I love. Yeah. Of course.

48:52It's like, dude, how hard are you trying to make me cry right now? Oh man. It's worked. It's like stop. You know, just stop in a, in a weird way. And I think this is intentional by the filmmakers. It's very Chicago. You know, it's very Chicago. Even with Q. Second that role, it feels very, you know, if New York is all, you know, kind of romance and L.A. is glitz and Boston is blue collar. Chicago is tough. And that's what this, this movie feels like when you line it up against field of dreams. You know what I'm saying? No, absolutely. And also, it very much ties in with our, the things I was talking about in this episode with our Fadiar buckle episode because, you know, the Fadiar buckle scandal was like Hollywood's first true scandal. And it happened when Hollywood was still in its infancy. And same thing with this, this was like baseball's first major scandal. And it happened, you know, not too long after baseball, right, professional baseball. And the US became a thing. Yeah. Yeah. Which is fascinating. You know, they're truly is. I like it. I like

49:57what they did in a boardwalk empire with the scandal. They kind of get a little bit behind the mechanizations of it. And I like, if you love baseball history, have you ever read Philip Roth's great American novel? No, I have not. It's tremendous. Okay. It's fucking great. Another great baseball book is the brother's K like K likes to write go. It's fantastic. Both great. Awesome. All right. Thank you for those. All right. My next recommendation is a 1993 Jim Sheridan film called in the name of the father. The scandal here is that this is a true story based on Jerry Conlon's book about the Gilford for this was these four guys who were falsely accused of a bombing at a pub, an English pub in 1974 starring Daniel De Lewis. And this wasn't Daniel De Lewis's first movie. I think the first time I was aware of him was when. Did he win the Oscar for my left foot? He was definitely nominated. I think you might have won. And I remember being

50:58aware of him. But this was the first time I think I actually ever really saw him in a movie. And you know, this is the era of Tom Hanks and Tom Cruise. And like here comes Daniel De Lewis. And I can only imagine this is what it was like when you watched like Brando in streetcar for the first time if you were around at that point because it was just like who the hell is this guy? And like it's like next level, you know? Yeah. Yeah, you're right. I haven't seen that movie. But I know exactly what you're talking about with him where he's just he kind of came out of nowhere. And then he's just like, he's okay, this is the guy. This is the guy. Yeah, this is the yeah, this is the one to beat, you know? Yeah, it wasn't like Sean Penn. Like Sean Penn, we saw the slow the slow roll into what he became right time you get to like mystic river. You're like, oh my fucking god. What is what is this? Is that my daughter in there? God. I think I'm in the minority. I find mystic river to be so overacted. I can't handle it. But both both as I loved him Robbins and I love Sean Penn. But I feel like they're both

52:00laying it on a little too thick for me. Really? Yeah. Really? I don't. Okay. All right. Yeah, we're gonna have to disagree on that. Okay, that's fine. All right. Third and final pick. And this is going to venture into our angle file territory that we were discussing last week. This is a movie about institutional and political scandal. And this is a movie called Tinker Taylor Soldiers by from 2011. This is an adaptation of a John McCarrie novel with Gary Oldman, Colin Firth, Benedict Cumberbatch, Sierra Hines, and this like checks off three boxes from me. One is set in the 1970s. Check. Love that. Number two, it's English. Check. Love that. Number three, it's a spy movie. Check. And it's like this might be my if not my favorite definitely one of my top spy films. I just love I love everything I just mentioned. It's like hits for the cycle for me. I saw it bring back to the baseball metaphor. Yeah, it's fantastic. I saw it in the theater

53:03Kendall Square theater. And it was one of those gigs where I had a sit in the front row. I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You kind of don't really see the movie. Yeah, I've seen it since. And I still like I need to watch this more. Oh, yeah, it's completely understand it. It's like the good shepherd. It's like Irishman. It's like casino. It's one of those great movies that I can just watch over and over and over again for days on end, like just like five minutes here, 20 minutes here, 15 minute, you know what I mean? And just completely submerge myself into it. Love it. Fantastic. Absolutely. Love it. And I feel like if we didn't have it, we wouldn't have wouldn't have. Is it sir Gary old him yet? I don't see you sir. He should be a sir. He's not. He's looking a little too raggedy these days to be a sir, I think. Without I feel like without this movie, we wouldn't have him in slow horses. I completely agree. Which is that back yet, by the way? I think it is. And do you know, have you heard this that the rumor is that Jack,

54:09I forget his last name, the younger kid in the show, he's rumored to be the new bond. That makes all the sense in the world. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. I thought Reggie Watts was going to be the new James Bond. That's the gig he was angling. He kind of blew that man. You know, he did. He did. That was part of his rap. He wanted to be a conscientious James Bond when he came to women. That was literally the thing he wrote in his memoir. It's been a nice. Well, thanks for reminding me. I'm Taylor. So just soldier spy and eight man out. Willem really wants to watch eight man out, but I don't want to ruin baseball with baseball for him. Yeah. For him with cynicism right now. I know. Seriously. And what was the third? What was the first one you mentioned in the name of the father in the name of the father, Dana DeVos. Yeah. I'm going to watch. Yeah. All right, dude. I get you. I got you. All right. Later. Later.

55:12All right. All right, gang. There you go. Some dirty scandalous wrecks. Maybe you got some dirty scandalous wrecks of your own. And if you do, you know what to do. Call or text me at 617-90663-8. You can email me, disgrace the impod at gmail.com. Or again, if you're a member of disgrace, then I'll access over on Patreon. Just jump into the chat like Harry Nielsen jumping into the fire. What are you guys watching? I watched a ton of great stuff this past week. I watched some crap too, but I'll just mention the good stuff. Some of it sort of rewatch and other stuff, things I watch for the first time. I rewatched Midnight Run for like the umpteenth time. I rewatch Interspace, which might be the most 80s movie of all time. And I don't mean that pejoratively. I think it's a masterpiece, honestly. And it has, I'm going to write about this, maybe over on, uh, sub-stack, which I'm trying to get ignited over there with just some other ramblings and thoughts

56:15about movies. Interspace is just criminally overlooked. If you haven't seen this Joe Dante movie from 1986 with Dennis Quaid, Martin Short and Meg Ryan, do yourself a favor. It is fucking awesome. And it just, it, uh, you know, it ticks all these boxes for, you know, movies about, um, back in the 80s when we were so obsessed with like science experiments and, you know, making things like, you know, back to the future and weird science and, and interspace and, and these crazy premises where this guy can be shrunk down into a barely, barely perceptible size and injected into another man's body. And we get a comedy out of that. It's great. Um, I also watch Harlan County, USA for the first time. I'm clearing this from my like, I can't believe I've never seen this movie before list. Just unbelievable documentary filmmaking from Barbara Coppel. Um, I'm watching Miss 45. That's an early able Ferrarra film, which really blew me

57:16away. I thought it was incredible. Criterion channel has a curated able Ferrarra collection up right now to start at this month. So that's where I saw that. Let me know what you guys are watching. Maybe you've seen some of these. I mentioned maybe you've seen something else. And, uh, in the meantime, you don't have to go home, but can't stay here. I've got a bounce. I got some one I should to do. Got to go, uh, rewatch the player before, uh, this Friday for the screening room, right? But before I split four real, let me remind you guys of a few important things. Number one, first of all, right now in your Hollywood, land feed our episode on Roscoe Fadi, our buckle. Number two, coming at you this Friday, we've got a new episode of the screening room. And this week, I'm talking all about the 1992 Robert Altman film, the player. Number three, next week on Monday, we're bringing you our fully scripted and sound design episode on Sharon Stone. Number four, over in our sister show, disgrace land, we've got a brand new episode on Queen and Freddie Mercury in which we bust the myth that the Bohemian Rhapsody biopic sold you.

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