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We will start with the SEC in the Big 10, the big bad dogs.
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Is there a watchdog now?
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Do we finally put a, can we put a stop to their reign of terror?
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If you hit subscribe, we're going to keep our jobs.
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The news this week, Cody Campbell pairing with Louisville and Louisville wrote a big, long
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This comes from their administration saying, you know what, we're done.
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The big 10 and the SEC have taken over for too long and they are dismantling college athletics.
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If we do not do something now, it will be too late.
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John Kurtz has talked about this saying Cody Campbell has their ear and the SEC and the
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big 10 are now writing a response paper and they're going back and forth.
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Effectively, I think we're finally all coming to the terms of the fact of the government
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as much as I am not usually pro government stepping into things.
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No, this is one of those where like the government is going to have to step in.
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Otherwise, the big 10 of the SEC are going, what the hell are you eating, Paul?
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He's got to be, he's got to play the part now.
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There's a role here.
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Do you feel like a fruit roll up or what do you got going on there, Paul?
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Is that, what does it even mean?
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It's a reason of literally, it's like only in West Virginia kind of thing.
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Is that a grandma candy?
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I have never heard of that.
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You can't blow that out.
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We can't give free pup.
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I stayed here a little earlier and it was pulling the stake out of my teeth and I didn't
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know you guys could hear it.
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These have been to fun for like 30 years.
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Paul's eating a very, very, it's stale and it could kill a regular human being but
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It's required for my, yeah.
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So, it is a matter of what is this?
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I have an abnormal gut.
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So look, you don't really want to go off rails this quickly, by the way.
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I was brought in and said, hey, look, this is, it's a great group of guys.
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We're going to talk about sports.
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Apparently I learn about old MREs that Tubby found that there we go, where deep in the
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But you have come around and that's how no Gibson came up with the passion of the
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You make sounds like in your basement.
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What's going to this come from?
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I've never heard of it.
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And why are we talking about Paul's basement right now when we're supposed to be talking
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And we will get there.
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But I apologize for the listeners who are listening.
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Just showed us a, okay, Google, a German brand of individually wrapped chewy chocolate
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caramel candies covered in 45% cocoa dark chocolate.
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I've never heard of this in my life.
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You just whipped out some German chocolate on the show and he didn't bring enough of the
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That's the big problem.
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I don't think the cloud.
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I don't even think I wanted it.
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I don't, I'm scared of this.
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Several of my mouth at one time.
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Hey, you're going to MREs that before there we go.
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I think we can all, and look, we'll talk today on today.
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We will talk today show about West Virginia, the bubble and how ESPN has kind of boxed out
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the big 12 on plenty of different subjects.
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But at TCU in the bubble that the list goes on at big 12 schools that are not getting
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the respect they deserve.
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But this whole big 10 SEC thing is legit like they've got the National Networks Fox DSPN
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They've got Fox DSPM in their mouths and they are doing whatever they can to take college
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football where they want it to go and that big 12 is not included enough.
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And the sanctimonies nature in which the big 10 and the SEC are pretending to operate
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about how, you know, they don't need somebody else coming in and changing the landscape
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of college football because it was already changed in 1984.
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I don't know if you read the write up that they paid to have put together, but it was
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an absolute nuts to see them of all people pretending that they're here to protect college
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So if we change stuff, it would be bad for college football is this, it's, it's La La Land
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I mean, look, I'm already here of refugee from the, from the pack 12, you know, we already
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had it happen to me once as they as you guy like thank you, USC for breaking that up.
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I don't, I know they want more money here, guys, but can I at least have like three years
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in a conference before it gets blown up again?
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Can I ask a question, please go ahead, Drake, go ahead, Tony, I think Cody's the longest
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tender to one of all of us here.
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Hey, so welcome to the big 12 squad.
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Do you think that the big 12s in danger of falling apart here in the next couple, like,
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what do you, what do you feel about the stability of the big 12 conference?
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New guy, Phil, I, I mean, I don't know, like I didn't pull in this all out there.
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I think it really depends on how much regulation we can get involved with this because on the
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one hand, yeah, keep, you have teams like Notre Dame that are saying, look, we're in the
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college football playoff, regardless of what happens.
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If we are ranked in the top 50, we deserve to be in there because we are just holier,
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we are so good at this, I don't know where you're going to guarantee that like if Alabama
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exists, they probably should be in the playoffs.
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Like, there is so many headwinds working against whoever is not the SEC in the big 10 that
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yeah, I have no doubt that we're going to go to some unless there can be something done
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to stop it unless popular, unless there's popular sentiment saying, hey, we like regional
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conferences, we like having, you know, rivalries, you're going to have some super league.
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It's going to be the big SEC or whatever.
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And it's going to have the top 15 teams of the country.
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And everyone else is going to be he's just sitting here eating risons.
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German, but not a bad secondary option if you ask me, Paul, it's pro rising.
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Um, actually, so I think Philip makes a great point here and let's, let's go there next.
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It is, at the reason I'm, we're going to break here and go to, so I want to flush it out.
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Josh Pate posted a list of if he could change college football tomorrow and go back to conferences
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that make sense because they do not make sense.
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The Rutgers is playing, uh, UCLA, if we could go back and do it over again.
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This is his proposal.
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He wants to hold on make this make this clear for you guys because you're all going to complain
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that you can't see it.
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He wants to revitalize revamped college football via his own expansion plan.
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And I am now proposing the idea to you guys of whether or not this is the way to go.
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If we could go back yesterday and make it all right.
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If we could start over West Virginia shouldn't be in the big 12.
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If we could start over Arizona stage shouldn't be in the big 12.
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They should be the conference with BYU with Utah and with USC.
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West Virginia should be the conference with Pitt and Louisville and Virginia Tech.
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If we can go back and do it all over again, we would do it to make a whole lot more sense.
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But we ruined it that we can't put the toothpaste back in the tube, obviously.
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However, if I could vote right now, we have a magic wand and go back to this to have
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regionality and college athletics to have regionality in sports.
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None of you are on the screen, but you can begin speaking now.
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So I got to say that I love having a big Josh Payton story.
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If that's the hadn't been in the news a lot lately and I love having more Josh Payton to talk about,
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especially because Drake, I feel like, you know, if anyone would know about needing to
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redo and put toothpaste back in a tube and just go back in time, Josh Payton absolutely
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is the guy to want to do it.
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Now, I will say as locked on Cougs host, we've talked when Houston got to the big 12 by this 30-year gap.
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The Southwest Conference falls apart.
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Houston gets left out of the big 12.
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They're still trying to recoup all of the time lost.
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There's a generation of fans that are now donating to all your programs that never happened that Houston, right?
10:31
I do think though that Southwest Conference thing you just had,
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that's the water cooler talk at every job around here.
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All the time is this hypothetical match up between the Bernard School and the Maroon School and
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all those like that still is the conversation happening in Texas is the surrounding state.
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It's like, okay, well, who would win between SMU and Texas or Texas,
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Texas, or whatever in a given year or in basketball right now?
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You'd have Houston and Baylor and whatever talking like the same kind of conversation.
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The regional aspect of this was so great for so long and as someone who got left out of
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once upon a time, it'd be great.
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It does make this kind of feel like we just got here for nothing, like Phil pointed out a second
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ago, right? We all just got to this four mega conference, four gigantic 16 plus team leagues.
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It feels like how far can you really try to experiment before you call it completely failed.
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As someone who just got there, it feels kind of, you know, we hold it.
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We're already going back and up now, you know, we just got there.
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I would say the only Cincinnati, the only one that we've added to the Big 12 that hasn't carried
11:45
Agreed, but everyone else has done something.
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I mean, Utah's a hypothetical.
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What did you think about that?
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Yeah, the hypothetical something, right?
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They want 10 games this year.
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When I look at that Josh Payt thing, it validates that he absolutely hates the Big 12,
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or the origination of the big eight, because why is he putting Utah?
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I'm so flipping tired of Utah.
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I do not want to be with them, get them a part of them, any flick it, get them.
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I'd rather be rice and be next to you.
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Nice and then be playing.
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I'll get this Utah business.
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Yeah, look, I'll take Utah back.
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He put ASU back in the pack.
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He yells at the pack 10.
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I hated those games because they killed every promising ASU season.
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The last five years, but I'll take, I'll take Utah.
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I just want to go crush Oregon's dreams in the desert every year, you know?
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We don't get that anymore.
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You of course, you talk about these matchups that don't make sense.
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Why in the world is Stanford in the ACC?
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Because Josh Payt can do whatever he wants.
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No, no, like they're back in the pack 10.
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You're talking about egregious prospects of these four mega conferences.
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Why in the world are there two California schools in the ACC?
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I'm assuming Josh Payt still had something to do with us.
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To be fair, those California schools are at least on a coast.
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Those ponies and Dallas have zero.
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I mean, there's not even a lake really.
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I mean, there's not a whole lot of water there.
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You know, we got white, we got white rock lake.
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Hey, did they put, where did they put West Virginia in that graphic, Paul?
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Did he throw you back in the ACC?
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It was back in the Big East, which I mean, you know,
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we're missing a few schools there that like Maryland, West Virginia,
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Maryland, go back a long way, rivalry-wise.
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But obviously, the Rutgers, that might be worse than you told, my bad.
13:38
Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, no.
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USF would, I mean, if you're going to bring back the Big East, USF,
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was actually ranked as highest number two in the country when they were in the Big East.
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They were really good at one point in time.
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But I mean, I'm not, obviously, they're not in a powerful conference now, I get it.
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But you know, obviously for West Virginia, Virginia taking pit,
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there's a hundred years of history on both sides of that.
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You know, there's a ton of regionality involved in that.
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I think it's simple, simple things in life for what people care about.
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Can I drive to the game or not?
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Or do I have to book a flight and call off work?
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You know, it's so simple.
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And yet, they still eff it up.
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The ability to drive to Blacksburg, or the ability to drive to Maryland,
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or the ability to then for them to drive to Morgantown, you know,
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Virginia texts two hours away.
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It's insane, you know, the hatred to, you know,
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I was real worried about where you about to say you would drive in fall.
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So I'm glad you clarified there.
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The second one, I will say, though, the other thing,
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and this is probably unique to Texas is that like,
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Lubbock and Houston are still like 10 hours away.
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Like I, that's probably unique to the geography of the region.
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But like Tulane and tech in a Southwest conference thing going from New Orleans to Lubbock,
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that's a long way and still feels like there's a reach andality to it that I kind of think works,
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right? Like it's not necessarily just driving distance, but there's more to it than just that.
15:07
There's also, you're in the same time zone, right?
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There's, it's one thing to say, I, you know, I can't drive from Lubbock to
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middle of nowhere, Louisiana.
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But I don't have to stay up until two in the morning to watch my team play.
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You know, I don't have to go to, I, I have a job.
15:23
I can still follow ASU, but obviously if I'm an ASU alum and I live on these coasts,
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that's a different thing.
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But you know, I shouldn't, these conference games that are all over the place,
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it's a lot easier for me to follow if it's in my, the time zone of the school that is playing.
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Correct. That's a great point.
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Also, we can take two minutes on this.
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If you have a politician on your show, because you know what, I'll say,
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I think a couple that's had Josh paid on our shows.
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That was fun number.
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Always been great to me.
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Always been great to me.
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There's a, there is a dividing line of like, hey, this person is a politician.
15:59
If feet percent of people are going to react to this negatively, 20% 30%, 40%,
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you start to weigh the odds of that percentage, right?
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Ultimately, paid deleted video with the president.
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That's always like, I'm also, I'm pro.
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Like leave that thing up.
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Let it run out of that.
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Let the conversation.
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In fact, don't delete the thing.
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Don't wait for white flags to be clear.
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He didn't delete the full episode.
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They were just like, it's split off.
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Like the full episode.
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So if you like locked on big 12 posts,
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hey, here's the best segment so that you can just digest what you came to see.
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And the idea there would be for paid or locked on big 12,
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this is the, this is the magma opus.
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This is what you go and see.
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That just don't, I think a lot of the listeners of this show of our shows
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listen to Josh Payton.
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I'm not berating you for listening to him, right?
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I would, I'd say in a spot like this,
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the president invites you to the White House.
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Joe Biden, Donald Trump,
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Ronald Reagan, George Washington, go to the White House.
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Do you ever make your own personal decision or do whatever you like?
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It have a relationship with the president.
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I think the second you bring into your listenership,
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that and you don't send it around sports.
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I listen to the interview and it was not really about sports either.
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That's what I'm like, yeah, but that's what I'm like, okay,
17:07
maybe we don't, you just don't have to,
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you don't have to alienate 30% of your listenership.
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That's just, it was just a bad interview.
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Matt, maybe he was trying to expand his horizon a little bit there.
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That's, that was my thought when I watched it.
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That's what I was trying to get into another medium.
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Maybe what a risk, you know, it is a risk.
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Well, and I haven't seen it yet,
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but I assumed Trump being a sports dude,
17:27
they would talk a lot of sports.
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So I figured some, it would make some sense.
17:31
Yeah, but the pipeline from college football to the Senate is
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kind of lethal, right?
17:36
I think though that Drake, the thing,
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and I mean, you had a lot of points,
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because I'm saying you missed something on purpose.
17:45
The thing that you missed, though, is paid head to that point,
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been pretty adamant about like, hey, let's just talk ball, right?
17:50
Like that, I think, I think that that, like,
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that was kind of his being, was like,
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I'm the guy that just talks ball.
17:57
Right, yeah, right, so he's just the normal sports guy.
17:59
No, I remember though, he started talking ball.
18:03
And Trump didn't know what the heck he was talking about.
18:05
Like, he was struggling to keep up inside the air.
18:08
Oh, that's what that's going to happen.
18:10
You can't ask Trump.
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I think he pivoted, though, because he was,
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he, it was obvious that there was a disconnect, you know what I mean?
18:17
I don't know if that's why he pivoted or not.
18:18
I'm not trying to make excuses for Josh probably.
18:21
I didn't know it, but it was like, clearly Trump was not fully,
18:26
he didn't understand everything that he was asking about.
18:28
Which I think that's why you ultimately probably like, hey,
18:31
this is not something, and surely the president reached out.
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His office reached out to pay.
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I can't imagine Josh to just emailing every politician waiting for the opportunity.
18:39
And you weigh that, right?
18:40
You weigh the, the, the cost analysis of this.
18:44
It blew up in his face a little bit.
18:46
It would be tantalizing.
18:47
I mean, tell me, but they didn't have a list of subjects.
18:50
They were going to go over like, I think it was in prop two.
18:53
It was by the, uh, the media office.
18:57
I don't think they would just give him up.
18:58
They, they, they, they, they, they breathe that stuff to a tee.
19:02
And they, I think, I think Pete has to understand.
19:05
This guy doesn't know ball like that, which also fine.
19:07
I don't need my politicians to, to know
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And this is 40 time.
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I don't really care.
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Didn't some matter of, okay, if it's not going to add your sports conversation
19:16
with the sports guy, then it's not really, like, hey, it paint says,
19:19
I'm going to, I have my separate podcast.
19:21
The Josh Pate show of Josh Pate in the world.
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Yeah, dude, to talk about politics.
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I don't care if outside your sports show.
19:28
Yeah, you have what I believe you want.
19:30
You know, I actually assume the intersectionality would be this Cody Campbell
19:34
and will the government get involved?
19:36
I figured that would be.
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That's a good part of it.
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Did they not touch on that?
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That's all they did.
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Yeah, but it wasn't really a focal point.
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It wasn't like a memorable piece of, hey, this, you know, what's going to happen.
19:46
But good, good discourse.
19:48
My friend was Nick Saving, right?
19:50
It was, it was like, he's pretty good, but again, I,
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hey, credit to, to most of you guys for at least, you know,
19:56
watching it and at least giving it a shot, just to see,
19:59
because that's, look, that open-mindedness to me is,
20:01
is an important thing in sports and politics.
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You take a risk and I'm still going to listen to Josh Pate.
20:05
I'm still going to watch Josh Pate.
20:07
You're doing the next episode.
20:08
Yeah, I'm still going to text him whenever I feel like, hey,
20:11
I really need Josh Pate's thoughts on this.
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Paul let's go to you and again recording on Monday night with intention to release on third
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day so things could have happened. I think even if West Virginia will say lost to Kansas state
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earlier this week in a game that will happen. Um, I don't care. If we're going to let Auburn
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at 16 and 15 5 and 11 and SEC play get into March madness and have West Virginia so distant like
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Jolen already has West Virginia grouped with Baylor somehow. I do not understand how we're not
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allowing the middle of the pack in the best conference in America to have like if Colorado at 16 and
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13 6 and 10 and big 12 play had that record in the SEC which is a worse conference. Jolen already
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would have a March madness. That is a problem. That is a serious problem. I mean, I feel like the
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committee Otis will owes us one a little bit, right? I mean, after last year after yeah after every
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single bracket, you know, bracket matrix had never missed every single bracket had West Virginia in
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and because of Bubba, Mr. Bubba Cunningham, we missed right because his beloved Tar Heels needed in.
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Um, you know, obviously this is a, we control our destiny still. I think if we went out, we're in a
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decent spot. We may need to win one in the conference tournament. You really depends on what the
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rest of the bubble does. I did some blind resume tests on my show earlier today. I'll give you one
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really quick. So this is a team that, you know, in my opinion, probably shouldn't be in the tournament.
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But let's talk about it really quick because if you look at their record, 19 and 10, right?
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Or I'm sorry, 17 and 12. That's 41, 2 and 11 in quad one, 2 and 1 and quad two. Do you know who
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that is? Anybody know who that is off the top? That would be Indiana, a team with two quad one
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wins, 2 and 1 and quad two. And somehow they are above West Virginia, Darren degrees have lost
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four straight games and they're still in the tournament. Somebody explained that one to me and
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you can go Auburn as well. You think Bruce Pearls probably worth four more wins for that team this
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year if they get to cap him around. Maybe they also not as good as they were last one. I think
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I think the thing to me is it's the exact inverse of the SEC argument in college football playoff,
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right? Which is a much smaller field and they'll tell you that a three loss SEC team needs that 10,
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11, 12 spot because those three losses are just because they play in the SEC. Well, the inverse of
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that is exactly this in the big 12 with basketball. TCU has beaten some very good teams played Michigan
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down to a nail bider and ultimately it's going to sit at about 500 in this league, right? Like that
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that's the way that goes. They lost to a bad Colorado team that is probably going to keep them
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around 500, right? Truthfully, they took Michigan down to the wire and Michigan's going to be a one
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seed like you're telling me they couldn't have an upset in the first weekend if you gave them
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the same chance and this is it just it feels like the exact same argument but it's not being applied
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for, you know, dollars or whatever whatever you're going to put it on. Meanwhile, I would point out
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while I'm talking about, well, I'm brought up dollars. The big 12 doing very well in terms of
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TV ratings and basketball, right? Like big Mondays and big 12 teams doing very well Saturday afternoon,
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Saturday night, like prime time big 12 basketball's doing very well. You'd think this would start
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to spin at some point and it's not. Got to win it. Got to win it, fellas. Yeah, I mean, obviously
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in West Virginia's case, I'm sorry, Bill. In those case, you have to win out, right? I mean,
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and the thing is, is no big 12 team has never been above 500 to miss, right? I've got some people
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telling me that if we went out and we're 10 and eight, we're probably still going to miss. That's
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what people are telling me. That's crazy. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, sorry, I don't mean to step
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in those states toes here. I look at the conference, though, you see mentioned West Virginia sitting
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there at eight and eight. Is there any doubt that BYU at eight and eight would get in though for the
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TV dollar because we want to see debons on the tournament? That's right. You nailed it. It is silly.
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Now, now, and this is pushback just a tad. This is, it should open the conversation up to, yeah,
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eight and eight isn't all made the same based on non-conference. Like BYU is beating some of the
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best teams in college basketball, at least played them close, like you comment. That's a game they're
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going to use the end. And so yes, this is a different zone to be where BYU could be a five or
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six seed and West Virginia should be a seven seed. I don't even think West Virginia should just
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squarely begin. Right. I'm Oregon that they should both be in. I'm sorry if that wasn't like,
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yeah, okay, if one is they should both be, but I ain't just based over a quad one wins after
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like we should be in, you know what I mean? We've done some really good games. We've beaten Kansas,
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we've beaten UCF, we've now beaten BYU. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of silly.
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It's a, well, and it's just, it is, it's the silly, and we've kind of done the silly losses,
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the Utah, the Oklahoma, that's what's killing us. That's what's terrible, but it's the Utah.
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It's the Baylor. It's, you know, the home losses to bad teams. And yeah, in relative to where
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you want to be as far as big 12 schools and their status, I'd say Baylor's a bad team right now.
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Yes, certainly good sports. That's anybody the big 12 Oklahoma state on their best day could
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beat Kansas and still water. Because it's the big 12 that our basketball is that deep. I believe
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that and also it's probably because Darren Peterson won't play that game. Baylor has a lot of
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the perception being a big deal in football. Let's say that Houston beats Florida for the
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natty and basketball last season. Does that change this conversation at all? And while the money
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obviously does. I think what's interesting though, Cody is like, you know, Houston has
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is 60 seconds away from title, right? But tech was also of double digits down the stretch in
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the early day game. And then you could add two big 12 final four teams were that close to that.
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And you've had big 12 teams actually went it recently in Kansas and Baylor and tech was in
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the final in 2019. So well, I guess they didn't win it last year. The big 12 has had success.
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It's not quite apples to me. I know, but it feels like other conferences. If we give them an excuse
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to bury the big 12, they're going to do it every time. Here's my question. How much of this
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flows down from other sports, right? So yes, big 12, great basketball year in the past couple
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years. We've been very good, even if ASU is kind of got through that in there. But football is if
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basketball money is here, football money is off my screen, right? And we all know the SEC
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it just means more. They have the big football dollars. We were talking about this at the start of
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the show. How much of this is? Well, even if we're going to take Auburn, for example, even if Auburn
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is mid to poor, kind of okay at basketball, they have such a big fan base from their other sports
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that the calculus says they're going to bring more money into the broadcast. They're going to
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more bring more viewership in than a very good Texas tech team that, you know, it is
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new or school, newer program that maybe it doesn't have that level of well, we're Auburn, right?
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We're Eagle. Let's go. Yeah, I think there is something to that for sure. And I didn't think,
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you know, when you look like I'll use West Virginia one more time, you look at what West
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Virginia's had to go through over the last four years on your fourth coaching four years.
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Yeah, I think that's definitely one of the part of this is that just the fly, like I said, on your
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show the other day, Drake, the flying WV used to have a lot of brand power. And it's lost a lot
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of brand power in both major sports over the last half decade or a little more. After Bob Huggins
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was let go and ceremoniously and when Neil Brown took over, unfortunately. So we got work to do
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we're hoping to regain some of that in the next couple of years because time has run it out.
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Yeah, good. I think that's a great spot. And of course, Paul, who is our wise sage and doctor
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to end us on a on a high note. Thank you, Mount near Paul and Parker in towards Cody still.
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