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We will start with the SEC in the Big 10, the big bad dogs.

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Is there a watchdog now?

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The news this week, Cody Campbell pairing with Louisville and Louisville wrote a big, long

article about this.

This comes from their administration saying, you know what, we're done.

The big 10 and the SEC have taken over for too long and they are dismantling college athletics.

If we do not do something now, it will be too late.

John Kurtz has talked about this saying Cody Campbell has their ear and the SEC and the

big 10 are now writing a response paper and they're going back and forth.

Effectively, I think we're finally all coming to the terms of the fact of the government

as much as I am not usually pro government stepping into things.

No, this is one of those where like the government is going to have to step in.

Otherwise, the big 10 of the SEC are going, what the hell are you eating, Paul?

He's got to be, he's got to play the part now.

There's a role here.

It's good, man.

Do you feel like a fruit roll up or what do you got going on there, Paul?

It's a reason.

Oh, what?

Is that, what does it even mean?

It's a reason of literally, it's like only in West Virginia kind of thing.

Is that a grandma candy?

What the hell?

I have never heard of that.

Yeah, hold it.

You can't blow that out.

We can't give free pup.

We sponsor us.

No, no, no, no, no.

What are we doing?

I stayed here a little earlier and it was pulling the stake out of my teeth and I didn't

know you guys could hear it.

Sorry.

These have been to fun for like 30 years.

Paul's eating a very, very, it's stale and it could kill a regular human being but

Paul is superhuman.

It's required for my, yeah.

So, it is a matter of what is this?

I have an abnormal gut.

So look, you don't really want to go off rails this quickly, by the way.

I was brought in and said, hey, look, this is, it's a great group of guys.

We're going to talk about sports.

Apparently I learn about old MREs that Tubby found that there we go, where deep in the

mountain hollers.

But you have come around and that's how no Gibson came up with the passion of the

Christ.

Okay.

Very true.

You make sounds like in your basement.

What's going to this come from?

I've never heard of it.

And why are we talking about Paul's basement right now when we're supposed to be talking

about the SEC?

All right.

And we will get there.

But I apologize for the listeners who are listening.

Just showed us a, okay, Google, a German brand of individually wrapped chewy chocolate

caramel candies covered in 45% cocoa dark chocolate.

I've never heard of this in my life.

You just whipped out some German chocolate on the show and he didn't bring enough of the

class.

That's the big problem.

I don't think the cloud.

I don't even think I wanted it.

I don't, I'm scared of this.

Several of my mouth at one time.

Hey, you're going to MREs that before there we go.

I think we can all, and look, we'll talk today on today.

We will talk today show about West Virginia, the bubble and how ESPN has kind of boxed out

the big 12 on plenty of different subjects.

But at TCU in the bubble that the list goes on at big 12 schools that are not getting

the respect they deserve.

But this whole big 10 SEC thing is legit like they've got the National Networks Fox DSPN

by the cajonas.

They've got Fox DSPM in their mouths and they are doing whatever they can to take college

football where they want it to go and that big 12 is not included enough.

Yeah, of course.

And the sanctimonies nature in which the big 10 and the SEC are pretending to operate

about how, you know, they don't need somebody else coming in and changing the landscape

of college football because it was already changed in 1984.

I don't know if you read the write up that they paid to have put together, but it was

an absolute nuts to see them of all people pretending that they're here to protect college

football.

So if we change stuff, it would be bad for college football is this, it's, it's La La Land

fellows.

Hmm.

I mean, look, I'm already here of refugee from the, from the pack 12, you know, we already

had it happen to me once as they as you guy like thank you, USC for breaking that up.

I don't, I know they want more money here, guys, but can I at least have like three years

in a conference before it gets blown up again?

Can I ask a question, please go ahead, Drake, go ahead, Tony, I think Cody's the longest

tender to one of all of us here.

Fill up.

New guy, Phil.

Hey, so welcome to the big 12 squad.

Do you think that the big 12s in danger of falling apart here in the next couple, like,

what do you, what do you feel about the stability of the big 12 conference?

New guy, Phil, I, I mean, I don't know, like I didn't pull in this all out there.

I think it really depends on how much regulation we can get involved with this because on the

one hand, yeah, keep, you have teams like Notre Dame that are saying, look, we're in the

college football playoff, regardless of what happens.

If we are ranked in the top 50, we deserve to be in there because we are just holier,

we are so good at this, I don't know where you're going to guarantee that like if Alabama

exists, they probably should be in the playoffs.

Like, there is so many headwinds working against whoever is not the SEC in the big 10 that

yeah, I have no doubt that we're going to go to some unless there can be something done

to stop it unless popular, unless there's popular sentiment saying, hey, we like regional

conferences, we like having, you know, rivalries, you're going to have some super league.

It's going to be the big SEC or whatever.

And it's going to have the top 15 teams of the country.

And everyone else is going to be he's just sitting here eating risons.

German, but not a bad secondary option if you ask me, Paul, it's pro rising.

Um, actually, so I think Philip makes a great point here and let's, let's go there next.

It is, at the reason I'm, we're going to break here and go to, so I want to flush it out.

Josh Pate posted a list of if he could change college football tomorrow and go back to conferences

that make sense because they do not make sense.

The Rutgers is playing, uh, UCLA, if we could go back and do it over again.

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This is his proposal.

He wants to hold on make this make this clear for you guys because you're all going to complain

that you can't see it.

He wants to revitalize revamped college football via his own expansion plan.

And I am now proposing the idea to you guys of whether or not this is the way to go.

If we could go back yesterday and make it all right.

If we could start over West Virginia shouldn't be in the big 12.

If we could start over Arizona stage shouldn't be in the big 12.

They should be the conference with BYU with Utah and with USC.

And guess what?

West Virginia should be the conference with Pitt and Louisville and Virginia Tech.

If we can go back and do it all over again, we would do it to make a whole lot more sense.

But we ruined it that we can't put the toothpaste back in the tube, obviously.

However, if I could vote right now, we have a magic wand and go back to this to have

regionality and college athletics to have regionality in sports.

I would do it.

None of you are on the screen, but you can begin speaking now.

So I got to say that I love having a big Josh Payton story.

If that's the hadn't been in the news a lot lately and I love having more Josh Payton to talk about,

especially because Drake, I feel like, you know, if anyone would know about needing to

redo and put toothpaste back in a tube and just go back in time, Josh Payton absolutely

is the guy to want to do it.

Now, I will say as locked on Cougs host, we've talked when Houston got to the big 12 by this 30-year gap.

The Southwest Conference falls apart.

Houston gets left out of the big 12.

They're still trying to recoup all of the time lost.

There's a generation of fans that are now donating to all your programs that never happened that Houston, right?

I do think though that Southwest Conference thing you just had,

that's the water cooler talk at every job around here.

All the time is this hypothetical match up between the Bernard School and the Maroon School and

all those like that still is the conversation happening in Texas is the surrounding state.

It's like, okay, well, who would win between SMU and Texas or Texas,

Texas, or whatever in a given year or in basketball right now?

You'd have Houston and Baylor and whatever talking like the same kind of conversation.

It's fun.

The regional aspect of this was so great for so long and as someone who got left out of

once upon a time, it'd be great.

It does make this kind of feel like we just got here for nothing, like Phil pointed out a second

ago, right? We all just got to this four mega conference, four gigantic 16 plus team leagues.

It feels like how far can you really try to experiment before you call it completely failed.

As someone who just got there, it feels kind of, you know, we hold it.

We're already going back and up now, you know, we just got there.

I would say the only Cincinnati, the only one that we've added to the Big 12 that hasn't carried

weight yet.

Agreed, but everyone else has done something.

I mean, Utah's a hypothetical.

What did you think about that?

Yeah, the hypothetical something, right?

They want 10 games this year.

When I look at that Josh Payt thing, it validates that he absolutely hates the Big 12,

or the origination of the big eight, because why is he putting Utah?

I'm so flipping tired of Utah.

I do not want to be with them, get them a part of them, any flick it, get them.

I'd rather be rice and be next to you.

Nice and then be playing.

I'll get this Utah business.

Yeah, look, I'll take Utah back.

Okay.

He put ASU back in the pack.

He yells at the pack 10.

I hated those games because they killed every promising ASU season.

The last five years, but I'll take, I'll take Utah.

That's fine.

I just want to go crush Oregon's dreams in the desert every year, you know?

We don't get that anymore.

You of course, you talk about these matchups that don't make sense.

Why in the world is Stanford in the ACC?

Because Josh Payt can do whatever he wants.

No, no, like they're back in the pack 10.

That's fine.

You're talking about egregious prospects of these four mega conferences.

Why in the world are there two California schools in the ACC?

I'm assuming Josh Payt still had something to do with us.

To be fair, those California schools are at least on a coast.

Those ponies and Dallas have zero.

I mean, there's not even a lake really.

I mean, there's not a whole lot of water there.

Gator.

You know, we got white, we got white rock lake.

Hey, did they put, where did they put West Virginia in that graphic, Paul?

Did he throw you back in the ACC?

It was back in the Big East, which I mean, you know,

we're missing a few schools there that like Maryland, West Virginia,

Maryland, go back a long way, rivalry-wise.

But obviously, the Rutgers, that might be worse than you told, my bad.

Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, no.

USF would, I mean, if you're going to bring back the Big East, USF,

was actually ranked as highest number two in the country when they were in the Big East.

They were really good at one point in time.

But I mean, I'm not, obviously, they're not in a powerful conference now, I get it.

But you know, obviously for West Virginia, Virginia taking pit,

there's a hundred years of history on both sides of that.

You know, there's a ton of regionality involved in that.

I think it's simple, simple things in life for what people care about.

Can I drive to the game or not?

Or do I have to book a flight and call off work?

You know, it's so simple.

And yet, they still eff it up.

It's crazy.

The ability to drive to Blacksburg, or the ability to drive to Maryland,

or the ability to then for them to drive to Morgantown, you know,

pits an hour away.

Virginia texts two hours away.

It's insane, you know, the hatred to, you know,

I was real worried about where you about to say you would drive in fall.

So I'm glad you clarified there.

The second one, I will say, though, the other thing,

and this is probably unique to Texas is that like,

Lubbock and Houston are still like 10 hours away.

Like I, that's probably unique to the geography of the region.

But like Tulane and tech in a Southwest conference thing going from New Orleans to Lubbock,

that's a long way and still feels like there's a reach andality to it that I kind of think works,

right? Like it's not necessarily just driving distance, but there's more to it than just that.

There's also, you're in the same time zone, right?

There's, it's one thing to say, I, you know, I can't drive from Lubbock to

middle of nowhere, Louisiana.

That's fine.

But I don't have to stay up until two in the morning to watch my team play.

You know, I don't have to go to, I, I have a job.

I can still follow ASU, but obviously if I'm an ASU alum and I live on these coasts,

that's a different thing.

But you know, I shouldn't, these conference games that are all over the place,

it's a lot easier for me to follow if it's in my, the time zone of the school that is playing.

Correct. That's a great point.

Also, we can take two minutes on this.

If you have a politician on your show, because you know what, I'll say,

I think a couple that's had Josh paid on our shows.

I like Josh paid.

That was fun number.

Always been great to me.

Always been great to me.

Yeah, me too.

There's a, there is a dividing line of like, hey, this person is a politician.

If feet percent of people are going to react to this negatively, 20% 30%, 40%,

you start to weigh the odds of that percentage, right?

Ultimately, paid deleted video with the president.

That's always like, I'm also, I'm pro.

Don't delete.

Like leave that thing up.

Let it run out of that.

Let the conversation.

In fact, don't delete the thing.

Don't wait for white flags to be clear.

He didn't delete the full episode.

They were just like, it's split off.

Right.

Like the full episode.

So if you like locked on big 12 posts,

hey, here's the best segment so that you can just digest what you came to see.

And the idea there would be for paid or locked on big 12,

this is the, this is the magma opus.

This is what you go and see.

That just don't, I think a lot of the listeners of this show of our shows

listen to Josh Payton.

I'm not berating you for listening to him, right?

I would, I'd say in a spot like this,

the president invites you to the White House.

Joe Biden, Donald Trump,

Ronald Reagan, George Washington, go to the White House.

Do you ever make your own personal decision or do whatever you like?

It have a relationship with the president.

That's fine.

I think the second you bring into your listenership,

that and you don't send it around sports.

I listen to the interview and it was not really about sports either.

That's what I'm like, yeah, but that's what I'm like, okay,

maybe we don't, you just don't have to,

you don't have to alienate 30% of your listenership.

That's just, it was just a bad interview.

Matt, maybe he was trying to expand his horizon a little bit there.

That's, that was my thought when I watched it.

That's what I was trying to get into another medium.

Maybe what a risk, you know, it is a risk.

Well, and I haven't seen it yet,

but I assumed Trump being a sports dude,

they would talk a lot of sports.

So I figured some, it would make some sense.

Yeah, but the pipeline from college football to the Senate is

kind of lethal, right?

I think though that Drake, the thing,

and I mean, you had a lot of points,

because I'm saying you missed something on purpose.

The thing that you missed, though, is paid head to that point,

been pretty adamant about like, hey, let's just talk ball, right?

Like that, I think, I think that that, like,

that was kind of his being, was like,

I'm the guy that just talks ball.

Right, yeah, right, so he's just the normal sports guy.

No, I remember though, he started talking ball.

And Trump didn't know what the heck he was talking about.

Like, he was struggling to keep up inside the air.

Oh, that's what that's going to happen.

Oh, really?

You can't ask Trump.

I think he pivoted, though, because he was,

he, it was obvious that there was a disconnect, you know what I mean?

I'm a darn.

I don't know if that's why he pivoted or not.

I'm not trying to make excuses for Josh probably.

I didn't know it, but it was like, clearly Trump was not fully,

he didn't understand everything that he was asking about.

Which I think that's why you ultimately probably like, hey,

this is not something, and surely the president reached out.

His office reached out to pay.

I can't imagine Josh to just emailing every politician waiting for the opportunity.

And you weigh that, right?

You weigh the, the, the cost analysis of this.

Pay it, he did it.

It blew up in his face a little bit.

It would be tantalizing.

I mean, tell me, but they didn't have a list of subjects.

They were going to go over like, I think it was in prop two.

It was by the, uh, the media office.

Right.

I don't think they would just give him up.

They, they, they, they, they, they breathe that stuff to a tee.

And they, I think, I think Pete has to understand.

This guy doesn't know ball like that, which also fine.

I don't need my politicians to, to know

for them.

And this is 40 time.

I don't need that.

I don't really care.

Didn't some matter of, okay, if it's not going to add your sports conversation

with the sports guy, then it's not really, like, hey, it paint says,

I'm going to, I have my separate podcast.

The Josh Pate show of Josh Pate in the world.

Yeah, dude, to talk about politics.

I don't care if outside your sports show.

Yeah, you have what I believe you want.

You know, I actually assume the intersectionality would be this Cody Campbell

and will the government get involved?

I figured that would be.

That's good.

That's a good part of it.

No, not really.

Did they not touch on that?

That's all they did.

Yeah, but it wasn't really a focal point.

It wasn't like a memorable piece of, hey, this, you know, what's going to happen.

But good, good discourse.

Good discourse.

My friend was Nick Saving, right?

It was, it was like, he's pretty good, but again, I,

hey, credit to, to most of you guys for at least, you know,

watching it and at least giving it a shot, just to see,

because that's, look, that open-mindedness to me is,

is an important thing in sports and politics.

You mix the two.

You take a risk and I'm still going to listen to Josh Pate.

I'm still going to watch Josh Pate.

Absolutely.

You're doing the next episode.

Yeah, I'm still going to text him whenever I feel like, hey,

I really need Josh Pate's thoughts on this.

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Paul let's go to you and again recording on Monday night with intention to release on third

day so things could have happened. I think even if West Virginia will say lost to Kansas state

earlier this week in a game that will happen. Um, I don't care. If we're going to let Auburn

at 16 and 15 5 and 11 and SEC play get into March madness and have West Virginia so distant like

Jolen already has West Virginia grouped with Baylor somehow. I do not understand how we're not

allowing the middle of the pack in the best conference in America to have like if Colorado at 16 and

13 6 and 10 and big 12 play had that record in the SEC which is a worse conference. Jolen already

would have a March madness. That is a problem. That is a serious problem. I mean, I feel like the

committee Otis will owes us one a little bit, right? I mean, after last year after yeah after every

single bracket, you know, bracket matrix had never missed every single bracket had West Virginia in

and because of Bubba, Mr. Bubba Cunningham, we missed right because his beloved Tar Heels needed in.

Um, you know, obviously this is a, we control our destiny still. I think if we went out, we're in a

decent spot. We may need to win one in the conference tournament. You really depends on what the

rest of the bubble does. I did some blind resume tests on my show earlier today. I'll give you one

really quick. So this is a team that, you know, in my opinion, probably shouldn't be in the tournament.

But let's talk about it really quick because if you look at their record, 19 and 10, right?

Or I'm sorry, 17 and 12. That's 41, 2 and 11 in quad one, 2 and 1 and quad two. Do you know who

that is? Anybody know who that is off the top? That would be Indiana, a team with two quad one

wins, 2 and 1 and quad two. And somehow they are above West Virginia, Darren degrees have lost

four straight games and they're still in the tournament. Somebody explained that one to me and

you can go Auburn as well. You think Bruce Pearls probably worth four more wins for that team this

year if they get to cap him around. Maybe they also not as good as they were last one. I think

I think the thing to me is it's the exact inverse of the SEC argument in college football playoff,

right? Which is a much smaller field and they'll tell you that a three loss SEC team needs that 10,

11, 12 spot because those three losses are just because they play in the SEC. Well, the inverse of

that is exactly this in the big 12 with basketball. TCU has beaten some very good teams played Michigan

down to a nail bider and ultimately it's going to sit at about 500 in this league, right? Like that

that's the way that goes. They lost to a bad Colorado team that is probably going to keep them

around 500, right? Truthfully, they took Michigan down to the wire and Michigan's going to be a one

seed like you're telling me they couldn't have an upset in the first weekend if you gave them

the same chance and this is it just it feels like the exact same argument but it's not being applied

for, you know, dollars or whatever whatever you're going to put it on. Meanwhile, I would point out

while I'm talking about, well, I'm brought up dollars. The big 12 doing very well in terms of

TV ratings and basketball, right? Like big Mondays and big 12 teams doing very well Saturday afternoon,

Saturday night, like prime time big 12 basketball's doing very well. You'd think this would start

to spin at some point and it's not. Got to win it. Got to win it, fellas. Yeah, I mean, obviously

in West Virginia's case, I'm sorry, Bill. In those case, you have to win out, right? I mean,

and the thing is, is no big 12 team has never been above 500 to miss, right? I've got some people

telling me that if we went out and we're 10 and eight, we're probably still going to miss. That's

what people are telling me. That's crazy. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, sorry, I don't mean to step

in those states toes here. I look at the conference, though, you see mentioned West Virginia sitting

there at eight and eight. Is there any doubt that BYU at eight and eight would get in though for the

TV dollar because we want to see debons on the tournament? That's right. You nailed it. It is silly.

Now, now, and this is pushback just a tad. This is, it should open the conversation up to, yeah,

eight and eight isn't all made the same based on non-conference. Like BYU is beating some of the

best teams in college basketball, at least played them close, like you comment. That's a game they're

going to use the end. And so yes, this is a different zone to be where BYU could be a five or

six seed and West Virginia should be a seven seed. I don't even think West Virginia should just

squarely begin. Right. I'm Oregon that they should both be in. I'm sorry if that wasn't like,

yeah, okay, if one is they should both be, but I ain't just based over a quad one wins after

like we should be in, you know what I mean? We've done some really good games. We've beaten Kansas,

we've beaten UCF, we've now beaten BYU. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of silly.

It's a, well, and it's just, it is, it's the silly, and we've kind of done the silly losses,

the Utah, the Oklahoma, that's what's killing us. That's what's terrible, but it's the Utah.

It's the Baylor. It's, you know, the home losses to bad teams. And yeah, in relative to where

you want to be as far as big 12 schools and their status, I'd say Baylor's a bad team right now.

Yes, certainly good sports. That's anybody the big 12 Oklahoma state on their best day could

beat Kansas and still water. Because it's the big 12 that our basketball is that deep. I believe

that and also it's probably because Darren Peterson won't play that game. Baylor has a lot of

the perception being a big deal in football. Let's say that Houston beats Florida for the

natty and basketball last season. Does that change this conversation at all? And while the money

obviously does. I think what's interesting though, Cody is like, you know, Houston has

is 60 seconds away from title, right? But tech was also of double digits down the stretch in

the early day game. And then you could add two big 12 final four teams were that close to that.

And you've had big 12 teams actually went it recently in Kansas and Baylor and tech was in

the final in 2019. So well, I guess they didn't win it last year. The big 12 has had success.

It's not quite apples to me. I know, but it feels like other conferences. If we give them an excuse

to bury the big 12, they're going to do it every time. Here's my question. How much of this

flows down from other sports, right? So yes, big 12, great basketball year in the past couple

years. We've been very good, even if ASU is kind of got through that in there. But football is if

basketball money is here, football money is off my screen, right? And we all know the SEC

it just means more. They have the big football dollars. We were talking about this at the start of

the show. How much of this is? Well, even if we're going to take Auburn, for example, even if Auburn

is mid to poor, kind of okay at basketball, they have such a big fan base from their other sports

that the calculus says they're going to bring more money into the broadcast. They're going to

more bring more viewership in than a very good Texas tech team that, you know, it is

new or school, newer program that maybe it doesn't have that level of well, we're Auburn, right?

We're Eagle. Let's go. Yeah, I think there is something to that for sure. And I didn't think,

you know, when you look like I'll use West Virginia one more time, you look at what West

Virginia's had to go through over the last four years on your fourth coaching four years.

Yeah, I think that's definitely one of the part of this is that just the fly, like I said, on your

show the other day, Drake, the flying WV used to have a lot of brand power. And it's lost a lot

of brand power in both major sports over the last half decade or a little more. After Bob Huggins

was let go and ceremoniously and when Neil Brown took over, unfortunately. So we got work to do

we're hoping to regain some of that in the next couple of years because time has run it out.

Yeah, good. I think that's a great spot. And of course, Paul, who is our wise sage and doctor

to end us on a on a high note. Thank you, Mount near Paul and Parker in towards Cody still.

And we're a hockey school now, Drake. Oklahoma states a hockey school. Go build that ring.

I've got to use wrestling. If you had to, we all give our jobs. Thank you for making our shows

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