Brad Young on Ticketmaster, and Alex Rich tells us about 314 Day!- h2

All right, it's DGS on a Tuesday, Dave on vacation this week.

He's down in Jupiter doing the spring training thing with buddy, his buddy, Michael Kelly.

And of course, Tom Ackermann's down there and Claves and Ricky and the gang and they're

all hanging out, just doing cool Jupiter, Florida stuff, jerks.

I'm glad they're having a good time out on the golf course at the ballpark at all the

restaurants.

I'm glad they're having a good time and look forward to hearing Dave tell us the stories

when he's back next week.

But we're just going to hang tight and keep doing our normal thing here on DGS and that

includes bringing in our buddy Brad Young, who is the show's legal analyst and also a political

analyst as well.

What's up, Brad?

How are you doing today?

We also, you know, you and I are here while everybody else is in paradise.

I get it.

Yeah.

It's feeling pretty paradise.

See these last couple days though.

It's kind of nice.

80 degrees.

That's true.

It's just not.

There's no palm trees.

There's no ocean.

There are no cardinals baseball, but it's one besides all of that.

Other than that, we're killing it.

It's pretty great.

All right.

So you always send us a couple of things that you're interested in talking about.

I'm really interested in the ticket master story.

So why don't you lay that out for us and kind of get us going because I think this is

something that impacts literally everybody that's going to sporting events, concerts and

all that.

Well, we all know that like 10 years ago, live nation bought ticket master.

Right.

They did.

They secured literally, I mean, it meets all the definitions of a monopoly.

They owned.

They had bundling contracts with the venues.

They owned the sales of the tickets.

They had exclusive contracts with the artists.

And there were fines and penalties if anyone used any venue other than those that were

operated by or contractually run by live nation.

So it met all the definitions of a monopoly.

So the Department of Justice several years ago filed a lawsuit.

That case went to trial, started going to trial last week.

It was announced late last night earlier this morning that the Department of Justice has

reached a settlement with live nation, which would end the Department of Justice's attempt

to break up live nation into separate pieces.

So this is a loss for a lot of people then, because from my understanding, the story

you sent to us explains it pretty well, that there are still a lot of states that are continuing

to pursue this, like individual states, and they appear to be worried that the US government

pulling out of this will damage what it looks like to Jerry's because obviously, you know,

this might be, I don't know, a done deal from the federal perspective, but it's still

something that needs to be addressed.

It is wheels.

And what's interesting is, and I'm going to try not to dive too deeply into the weeds

here, so people stay awake, but essentially under the Sherman Act and the Clayton Act,

those are the two laws that make up the federal law when it comes to monopolies.

Under both of those acts, states who have their own version of the Sherman Act can also

pursue their own concurrent litigation against companies.

So that means that even though the DOJ has reached a settlement, even though that's probably

going to be a done deal from a federal perspective, states are still empowered to move forward.

And I looked at the states that are going to move forward, and it's not, and I always

love pointing these things out because all too often we think it's red versus blue,

it's right versus left, it's Democrat versus Republican.

But if you look at the states that are going to continue on, Tennessee, which is about

as red as it gets, and also New York and Illinois, blue as it gets, you've got other states

that are on red and blue.

Oh, Ohio, right?

So this is not a right versus left issue, and at least in my mind, it's an issue of when

you have a monopoly, if I owned every part of the production of light bulbs, I owned the

plants that made the physical minerals that go into light bulbs, I owned the glass

blowing plants, and I owned the distribution.

I could charge anything I want for light bulbs because I have no competition.

And so in this instance, I think we saw in the biggest hiccup was with Taylor Swift

a couple of years ago, but there's no question that these ticket sales, the cost is outrageous,

the cost go up because there's been no competition.

And I've got all the terms of the settlement here with the DOJ, but I think that's kind

of band-aid on, as putting a band-aid on the issue because as long as live nation owns

ticket master, to some extent, these same issues will continue.

So what did they accept, what did the United States government decide was an acceptable settlement

here?

Well, the acceptable settlement is $300 million that goes to the states who agree to accept

the settlement.

And so that gets $300 million each or just chunks of $300 million in total, that's then

divided up between the various states, it's almost 30 states.

It's almost 30 states that are signed on to this, I think it's 28 states that are signed

on.

So you're looking at roughly 10 million per state.

Also, that's nothing, that's nothing, that's nothing.

Ticket master has to offer a standalone ticketing system that they are required by the terms

of the settlement to allow like seat geek or stub hub or event bright or others can use

the same standalone system to sell tickets as ticket master because ticket master has

to make it open for these other companies.

And they also have to, they only have a four-year limit on exclusivity contracts, and after

that they cannot have exclusivity contracts with artists.

So that's kind of the biggest, there's some other minor things like the ticketing service

fee is capped at 15% of the ticket price, that's one thing that would really lower prices

because oftentimes those fees were much, much higher than 15%.

So there is benefit here for the consumer, I don't want to walk away from that, there

is definitely a benefit in this settlement for the consumer.

I just think that by charging them money and making some changes around the edges of

the problem, doesn't get away from the fact that ticket master live nation is still essentially

a monopoly.

So political hat now from legal hat, Brad, why would they do this?

Why would the department of justice cut them such a sweetheart deal when their partners

in this, these 28 other states are not okay with it?

In fact, the story you sent us, the judge wasn't okay with it, the judge said it was horribly

inadequate.

Right.

Right.

And so this is, I don't see how this is a good settlement.

There's two, I see two possible reasons or answers to your question wheels.

First is legal based and the second is conspiratorial.

The first legal based, anytime you reach a settlement, it's because, at least from an

attorney's perspective, you think you're going to do better in a settlement than you would

do if you take it to trial.

So perhaps the attorneys thought we're not going to be able to prove that they are a complete

monopoly.

And so let's cut our losses and get the best deal we can.

Right.

Secondly, the conspiratorial is that the current administration said, well, we favor big

companies and we don't want to bust up a big company.

Now I have no information on that, I have no inside knowledge.

But those are the two explanations that I can come up with.

Fair enough.

I don't know that they either are great, but they are what they are.

All right.

Let's move over to the Missouri Supreme Court.

You sent us this story.

It's about a challenge over redistricting.

Right.

Now, traditionally, historically, redistricting has always happened once every 10 years after

the United States census.

That's by habit and by practice.

With this year, several states, including Missouri, started doing what they call mid-decade

congressional redistricting.

And just in case folks don't know, congressional redistricting is where you recarve up the lines

and you can determine who gets to vote for what people, whether it's for the U.S. Senate

or the U.S. Congress.

And so Missouri tried this.

They have decided to try to do mid-decade congressional redistricting.

The Supreme Court is hearing oral arguments on this literally right now, as we speak.

So I don't know.

It'll be a while before we get an opinion, but it's being argued right now.

Fascinating.

Brad, you might, it's not a curveball, but you mind a pitch you might not have expected.

Oh, never.

I always love it.

Stump the lawyers, my favorite game.

Well, I shouldn't stop you.

I think we brought it up when you're on with the whole group of us, including Dave.

It might have been a while back.

But today, again, my keynote on his official Twitter account put this out there.

He said, Missouri's tax code was built for the past 100 years.

Our economy demands one for the next 100 years.

It's time to phase out and eliminate Missouri's individual income tax and a, just your general

reaction to the idea and be any idea how we, we, we, we, we cover those lost revenues

and what, like, what, what's the end game to, to doing this?

Yeah.

None of us are going to complain if we don't have to pay, quote unquote, income tax.

But that revenue is going to have to be found somewhere, which means we're going to pay

for it another way, right?

True.

Let me answer your second question first.

Okay.

And that is that how do you replace the income?

Because if Missouri does away with the state income tax, that's a very, very large portion

of all state revenues.

So we just saw recently that, that Missouri was running a deficit and you, you think, well,

we're not bringing enough money.

How do we solve this problem?

Oh, let's eliminate our major revenue source.

Okay.

I mean, from, from that perspective, it doesn't seem very wise.

You know, I'm, I'm in bankruptcy.

What should I do?

Oh, I should go spend more money.

So, but what the state has proposed in this plan is to supplant the income tax with a

higher state sales tax.

So at that point, everything that you buy in the state of Missouri, the price would go

up whether that's gasoline, food, concert tickets, anything is going to go up, would go

up under this plan in order to bring in revenue to compensate for the loss of the income

tax revenue.

So why bother?

I mean, you're going to be, you're going to be taking the same amount of money probably,

because a barring significant budget cuts, you're taking the same amount of money from

the same group of people, the people who live in the state of Missouri.

Because to me, the only people that benefit what, from what you described are the wealthy

people.

Well, let me put it this way, the average person is, he's going to get that not going

to have the income tax, but you're going to pay at least as much on every other thing

that you buy.

Correct.

So why, what's the, what's the point unless we're just serving the special interest

of people that are incredibly wealthy?

The point is this, and I don't necessarily agree with this, but let me give you the non-spend

point.

If you look at this concept of enterprise zones, for example, if we turn the city of

St. Louis into an enterprise zone where taxes are not paid on money that you make in

the city of St. Louis, people would flock there under the, under this theory, and it could

revitalize the city of St. Louis, because entrepreneurs would have a financial incentive

to locate their businesses in the city, in order to grow their taxes, their businesses

tax-free.

That's the same idea that they're wanting to do with the state of Missouri, that you'll

have entrepreneurs or business owners will want to move to Missouri because of the no

income tax, and therefore if they move their businesses here, more people have jobs, more

ancillary companies can provide goods and services, and it grows the overall economy.

Here's the problem with that theory.

Kansas has done that, and it hasn't produced any tangible benefits.

They did it how long ago.

It was a good one.

It was a good one.

It was a good one.

10 years ago.

Yeah, I think it's closer to five.

It was right before COVID.

It was right before COVID.

It was right before COVID.

Got it.

But it really hasn't shown, at least not the data that I've seen, it hasn't shown that

it's grown the state of Kansas in any significant way, more than it would have grown if you

did nothing.

So those are the two sides of the coin.

Yeah, and it's fascinating to me because I know a lot of states have it this way, right?

And the big one that we hear the comp to is Tennessee.

But because it's regionally close and it's, you know, it's not like it's not Florida,

right?

It's not Arizona.

It's not a big retirement area, although probably is more so than other places.

But we don't have something that Nashville has or that Tennessee has, which is Nashville.

We don't have a booming music scene.

We don't have a booming creative area.

That's one of the fastest growing cities in the eastern part of the country.

And we need to, to me, it just seems to make more sense to have those things kind of lined

up first before we start, and again, I think you're right in the long term.

In a perfect world, that's how it would work.

But as you pointed out, Kansas shows that it's not always a perfect world, right?

So I think it's like in so many things, wheels instead of having an all or nothing, either

we have all income tax or no income tax, once you set up no income tax enterprise zones

in the most depressed areas, so you get the benefit of having people locate and relocate

into those areas, like the city of St. Louis, like North St. Louis in particular, but you

don't do it for the entire state so that you don't rock the state's budget, at least

from that perspective, you would kind of get the best of both worlds if you could make

that middle ground case legally.

Yeah.

And it's just a fascinating thing too, because I need to do more work on this and look

into some research on kind of like what percentage of people's income they actually spend based

on their income level, right?

So what percentage of your income do you actually spend when you're at 50,000, 100,000 versus

a million or 10 million or whatever, because that kind of tells you who's going to take

the biggest kick in the teeth and who's going to get the biggest short term benefit, not

even counting the potential for the long term that you described.

Yeah, that's true.

And at least in theory, wrapping this up, at least in theory, even rich people would pay

more in sales tax because they buy more stuff, so it would do they buy more as a representation

of their actual income, right?

So they could spend more than me, but they make 10 times as much as me, if they spend

five times as much as me, they still get a big net victory.

That's true.

Well, we'll see how it turns out, Brad, you're the best, man.

Thank you.

All right.

Thanks, wheels.

All right, DGS on a Tuesday, Dave's still on vacation.

He'll be back next Monday.

The rest of us are continuing on as usual.

Andrew, step to the mic, sir.

What?

You had the most ridiculous door dash order last night?

Dude, all right.

So I'm not complaining.

Can I pause for a second?

You know that when a guy is telling a story, if the first thing he says is, dude, it's

going to be a story.

It's going to be a big story.

Proceed.

I don't even know this is a good story enough, but I couldn't get over it.

And like, you know, I go out with my wife, and so why would we do our dash?

They're going out.

Yeah, so I'm going out with my wife.

She has a part of it at some point in the last 15 years.

Yeah, you know, me and my wife are seeing each other.

But no, so I door dashed with my wife, and she was like, let it go.

Let it go.

Let it go.

It's not that big of a deal.

Uh-oh.

So we picked up, basically, the story is we picked up from a place, and it was a decent

paying order, so they left like a, you know, an okay tip.

All right.

We picked up from a place, and where it was going was literally behind the restaurant,

like one street back.

It was going.

Okay.

Like a walk away.

I never lost sight of the restaurant.

It was like 0.2 miles away from the restaurant.

I never like, I could see like the whole time, and I'm telling this to my wife, which is

why she's like, stop.

Who cares?

Let it go.

This is, we're getting money.

Oh, they're paying us.

Yeah.

What do you care?

And the whole time, I'm just like, it's right there.

Well, maybe they were sick.

Huh?

They didn't want to go out.

Huh?

It was right there.

I got to be honest with you.

I feel like I want to be team Andrew on this one, but Team Rachel just made a good point.

Yeah.

If it's somebody that's sick, or maybe it's just somebody that doesn't get around

very well.

Yeah.

That would make sense, but otherwise, it's wild.

It's wild right now on the street giving you, like, I guess it's wild, but they are paying

you to do it.

You know?

That's what they said.

Like, get it for me for free.

Like, okay, that would be messed up.

And that's what, that's what Megan kept saying, Megan kept pointing out that, you know,

we're being paid for this.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, it's not a, it's not a horror story, but I would agree it's bizarre.

It is bizarre.

I wouldn't say it's a good, like a bad thing or even a good thing.

I mean, maybe it is a good thing.

Again, if it's somebody that has a hard time leaving the house, but it's still bizarre.

I would have called the restaurant.

I would have said, place it in a bag, put that bag in like a cardboard box you got in

the back, and then just go out behind the restaurant and whip it, whip it overhand in the

direction of the house.

So use the mouse throwing technique and it will get there just as well.

Yeah.

That's weird.

I'm like, even if it was for good reason, it's still a weird thing.

You're picking up a delivery and you're like, you're like eight steps away.

It's on it, honestly, and the reason that I extra shouldn't complain is because a lot

of times you get a, you get an order, you pick it up, and then you find out it's going

like 20 minutes in a direction that you don't want to go like 20 minutes farther from your

house or whatever it is.

And that's always a huge bummer.

The best possible thing is that you pick up from a place and it's 0.2 miles away, you

know, time is money.

So thank you to that person, but at the same time, this sounds like a sweetest deal ever.

That was the best delivery I've ever done.

I've seen you in gas money, but at the same time, it was crazy.

It's delivering it like here you go, you lazy.

But thanks for the money.

Great.

It's DGS on a Tuesday, Dave is out, he's down and Jupiter doing the guys trip.

So basically he had Michael Kelly are doing a guy's buddy movie down there going to baseball

games, going out to eat, playing golf, doing a whole thing.

Glad he's having fun.

Dave will be back on Monday, the rest of us holding down the fort.

Buddy Alex Riches in studio, Alex, first of all, I don't know exactly how to introduce

you because you're a man of many duties here.

I know this has always been so obviously you work in the quote front office here at Odyssey

Center, but you also pop on the air, right?

So how should we introduce?

Then, well, earlier I was introduced as host of Jews in the Lou because I do the podcast

as well.

I guess as well.

I got, I'm promoting something right now that I'm the musician for.

So you are, let's just put it so you're, you're an executive that does a podcast appears

on the radio, plays music and does events.

Yeah, I think that promoter would qualify me as maybe like a utility guy, a St. Louis

utility player.

Yeah.

I don't like to say like public figure because it's kind of like a good, it makes me think

that like maybe I think a little too highly of myself, so I don't want to give it to myself

too much credit there.

I get you.

But around here, you're a man of many duties.

Yeah, that's fair enough.

Okay.

Honestly, I think there's a lot of people in this building that don't know if I'm actually

an on air guy or a sales guy.

Well, I mean, aren't you both?

Yeah.

I would say so.

Right.

Still.

The sales pays the bills.

There you go.

Yeah.

There you go.

That's probably your best way to put it.

So, but I always like coming in hanging out with you guys.

Yeah.

I knew Alex.

You were an intern in the sports department here at St. Louis when you were in college playing

baseball at India.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And as a, as a catcher and I was a college catcher long before you were, but we had a,

we got, we got to, we got along pretty well.

I think in part because we had that scene common background.

Definitely.

And actually, this is, I think my first opportunity being on with you since what I'm about

to say, but I think I have to do it.

No, you do.

I know where exactly what you're going to say.

I know.

He's going to paint you.

And it's okay.

Because I'm happy for you.

I appreciate it.

We talked a little bit off the air about this, but it was, it was cool, man.

It was, it was awesome.

It was a great experience.

Yeah.

Alex and then our buddy Tom Ackerman, those are our two IU alums in the building.

Do we have any others?

I know you're the two that I know.

I don't think anybody else in the building, but you guys are the ones that I, that I know.

And obviously we had a little back and forth fun.

Of course.

Fun.

But that's the first time I've ever been, as a Miami fan, we've played for championships

many times.

This is the first time I didn't walk out of a losing a championship game feeling like

I hated the opponent.

You felt like, okay.

It was a great, it's a great game.

Totally.

It's a hard team to hate and in the end, right?

And two people I like like them.

So it's kind of weird to be better.

Yeah.

And I mean, like, look, if you're like from the outside perspective, looking at a Fernando

Mendoza, how can you really say a bad thing?

He's too smiley.

He's too happy.

That's what you're going to a job interview, like tell me a negative, and you're like,

I care too much.

He smiles too much.

He's too happy.

He's too bad happy.

So, um, but thank you.

I appreciate it.

You guys put up a great fight and, um, hopefully we'll, you know, don't talk like

that.

I mean, it's not like little brother took a shot at big brother.

I'll be honest with you.

That last, that last drive of the game, I'm confident that if we didn't have that

interception, if Carson Beck didn't throw that pit, I'm confident you guys would have

scored on the next play of the game and the whole season would have been decided by

one point.

Yeah.

But it was entertaining and fun.

And again, no hate.

Like, I hate Ohio State after losing the after the fiesta bowl way back in the day.

Like, I can't stand, I have less hate for Alabama now because my kid went there, but

always had some hate for them because they beat us in the title game.

I don't have that for Indiana.

So, yeah, you're all good, buddy.

Well, I appreciate it.

But yeah, which means you're welcome in studio for this.

Thank you.

I appreciate you having us.

And, uh, yeah, I'm talking about three one four days.

So, tell us what's going on because obviously three one four days coming up this weekend.

A lot of different activities around town.

Tell us about what you're promoting.

A ton.

And honestly, this year, I think there's more than there has been, which is cool to see

like how three one four day has grown, right?

It's like not an actual holiday, right?

But it's like each city has something that they can kind of get behind, like a weekend

in that city that they can kind of get behind.

That's not related to sports.

That's not related to any of the teams in the city.

It's just about the city.

And that's, uh, what we're doing this weekend is my friend, uh, our friend Shorty and

I, um, Shorty was on hot 104.1 for a long time.

He's been on radio since he was 12 years old in the market.

So, um, Shorty's awesome.

Him and I kind of partnered up, um, a few months back looking at what we could do differently

four three one four day.

So it's on a Saturday this year, obviously, which makes it great.

But the entire week leading up, there's so many different events.

Restaurants are doing different things, different specials everywhere.

But, um, we wanted to take this as an opportunity to say, like, look, San Luis is the reality

of San Luis is it's, it is a very like at times segregated community, right?

Like everybody has the burbs versus the city.

And it's totally.

And I mean, Charles County versus Saint Louis County.

It's all very divided.

Yes, exactly.

And when geographically city people don't want to go to St. Charles County, the St.

Charles County, don't want to go to the city.

Like it's that all that stuff.

Exactly.

And so I think we kind of wanted to partner up and say, like, let's do something where

everybody can come together.

We've partnered with together credit union on this, um, and it's literally three one

four together.

It doesn't matter who you are.

How old you are about 21 plus, obviously, you got to be older, no, no matter how old

you are.

I mean, I expect that like there would be, you know, 25 year olds and 60 year olds

at this.

And we wanted to put together something that was going to have, um, a little bit of a

twist, whether you're black, white, whatever community that you're a part of, it does not

matter.

We wanted to offer something for everybody.

So there's DJs in the outside garden area.

So if you want to sit and have a beer, listen to music there, there's like a club aspect

of it.

It's all at ballpark village.

You enter at the Ava beer garden outside there.

So that was new last year, which is an awesome, uh, awesome venue.

The weather looks like it's going to be incredible this weekend.

You enter there and there'll be, uh, three different levels.

So ballpark village literally said, let's really get behind this thing and do Ava beer

garden, uh, crown hall, crown room on the second floor and then even the bud deck on the

very top.

Right.

Roof top deck up there, um, different DJs on each level.

My band is going to be playing with special guests throughout the day, um, in crown hall

on the stage.

So we got like, you know, my saxophone player is coming in from out of town.

He's going to be joining us for full band.

We got a saxophone player too.

Do you?

I just never call him in over because he just play for you when you're just hanging.

Yeah, I just call him and he plays over the phone makes me feel like I love everybody loves

a good saxophone.

Everyone.

But it's, uh, we want to bring the energy.

We want to do like, yeah, live band type thing.

But we want to do something that everybody can like think that is cool.

So like, so you can flow to which one you like.

Yeah.

And like, look, we have like a whole like acoustic, not acoustic, because it's full band.

But we got like a full band, Nelly, live cover set that like shorties, uh, shorties and

artists themselves.

So like, we're going to get up, do like all the San Luis classics that people like, but

like our own version of those, um, and it's $10 entry part of that goes to the 314 day

foundation, which was started.

I think this is now the 20th year, actually, that we're celebrating the actual 314 day foundation.

But, um, it kind of is a fund that helps put together different scholarships for kids

and people in the community so that they're able to do different things and fund different

activities or ventures that they, um, that they have and that the city can get behind.

Um, but yeah, I mean, like, honestly, it's, it's, it's one of those things where when

you do an event, you really don't want to over complicate things like there's really

not a ton more to it other than like we are just really getting the city together.

And we really just want to show that you don't need a sporting event downtown to get people

to come downtown.

You like, we get parking is an issue.

Like we understand.

Not over there.

No, we understand people come down or have different hesitations about coming down.

And like this is an opportunity to show St. Louis through a day party that starts at 314

in the afternoon goes in through the evening up until about nine o'clock and then there's

other activities.

But, you know, you can really make a day of it and there's a St. Patrick's Day, I, that's

also going on this weekend.

But St. Patrick's Day is downtown.

So it's kind of like a full day of events.

So if you're going to the parade, you come over to ballpark village afterwards, celebrate

314 day, um, and then just kind of keep the day going.

I say, you know, come on down, come hang out with us.

But, you know, it's kind of, uh, it's just a way to champion the city.

I always think that St. Louis, we know this like St. Louis gets in St. Louis's way pretty

much at times.

And that's like what stops us from leveling up to, I think the next level, the next

extreme of like what we're capable of.

And so I love St. Louis, shorty, love St. Louis and the idea is like, it's really cool

because Rachel mentioned like social media is a big play on this.

If you go through and see like the comments on the social media, it's like so much love

for the city.

People are super excited that there is something that you can just go hang out and yeah, it's

10 bucks.

But like, if you leave the house, you're going to spend 10 bucks doing just about anything

these days.

So like, why not come down and enjoy yourself, meet people that you haven't met before.

Like experience things that you maybe haven't experienced before that's outside of your

normal sitting on the porch, having a look, we all like to hang out at our house, like

just kind of keep to ourselves at times.

But like, it's an opportunity to get out, meet new people, bring friends down.

And again, if you like DJ music, if you like live music, if you like no music, but you

just want to sit on a rooftop and look out at Bush Stadium, literally we have all of those

things for everybody.

All right.

Where can people find the info?

There's more information.

I know we just posted it on the street and the Facebook and YouTube.

It's the STL.com has information about all the events actually leading up the entire week.

Okay.

But there's information there on our event for Saturday.

But yeah, again, you know, all you need to do is make a plan to come on down.

It'll kick off at 3.14 p.m. and we're going to celebrate St. Louis, dude.

Awesome, dude.

Thanks for the info.

Yep.

Appreciate you, Alex.

Thanks for having me and hope to see you there.

All right, brother.

All right.

Let's go.

You know where.

Now I can see.

I just did what's not on the rub.

I'm on the rub.

I'm on the rub.

I'm on the rub.

I'm on the rub.

I'm on the rub.

I'm on the rub.

I'm on the rub.

That's Tuesday on DJS.

We got the crew hanging out.

Doing the work Dave Glover on vacation.

Dave will be back on Monday.

Reaching caught my attention on the sheet today.

I'm on the sheet today.

I don't, I'll let you lay it out because I don't want, I want, I mean, it's, I think

what we're saying is telling the truth and it may sound mean to some people, but I think

the truth needs to be told.

And it's when people don't seem to grasp how old they are versus how they look.

Well, there is this big trend right now that I've seen particularly on like Instagram

and on TikTok and it'll be women and a lot of them are my age.

Are there dudes doing it too?

Not as much.

I feel like when I see the guys doing it, they're being, they're like intentionally trolling

and like, I got you, I got you.

But you'll see ladies posting and they'll be like, I'm 35, but I look 20 and it's because

of these skincare techniques I use and I don't know if it's just a drive engagement

because so many people will comment and be like, you don't look 20.

Like I would actually, I would challenge anyone to find me a 34 year old who actually looks

20 years old.

It's such a silly thing to say.

And oftentimes these women are very beautiful, but they'd look the age that they are.

And I'm here to tell you that is perfectly fine because that is the age that you are.

That is the fact of the matter.

This like weird obsession we have with, I want to look good.

Therefore, I want to look 15 years younger than I am.

That's futile.

You're never going to be able to like chase that and pin that down and hold on to it.

And the more you put your value into like looking young, it is eventually going to go away.

But then there's this weird like offshoot of that where it's like reverse body dysmorphia

where people are thinking they look younger than they actually are and then putting it out there

for the rest of society to discuss.

And it's like, what are you talking about?

There's a dude version of this.

What's that?

Have you heard the term looks maxing?

Oh, yes.

So what you really, what you have is essentially a bunch of dudes and they're young.

I mean, I haven't seen anybody that looks like they're older than their 20s doing this.

But they use all these very questionable techniques that are supposed to give you a stronger jawline

by like punching yourself in the face.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

And they do various things.

Like they'll show up on other guys' accounts and they try to like hog the picture

and they try to get in there.

But they're like big bodybuilding type.

I mean, workout guys.

And they're good looking guys.

But they're insanely obsessed with looks maxing.

And everything is about how do I make this part of my jawline even better and how do I?

And then they want to compare and they want to like one up each other.

I guess it's kind of the way it goes.

It's such a bizarre thing to me.

Like you want to do what makes you happy.

That's fine.

But like, hey, make sure what you're doing is like medically safe.

Right.

There are a lot of those things that those guys are doing that are not medically safe.

And most people that are doctors will tell you it's not going to do what you think it's going to do anyway.

But it's the same dynamic.

It's these guys that are just obsessed with being, I guess you could say, the best looking person in any room they walk into.

Are you looking at Maxter, Maxter, Kim?

Yeah, I'm a total look, Maxter.

That's why you're always working out.

Yeah, that's exactly right.

I punch myself in the face all the time to get that jawline right.

Well, it just feels like everything that I was taught as a child.

The internet has just completely erased all of these lessons.

One of those lessons being it's on the inside that counts.

Right?

Don't judge a book by its cover.

It's more important than external beauty.

Well, that's obviously not true.

People seem to prioritize external beauty above all else.

To the point where it's like, oh, if you do actually look at your age, then people are like, oh, she looks terrible.

Are you even trying?

Yeah, exactly.

Another one of those lessons being sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me.

It's like, no, it seems like we all get really riled up about words all of the time.

I don't know.

It's just sad.

And the whole thing, there's also like such a lack of humility there whenever you're like, I'm 40, but I look 25.

It's like, okay, you're kind of not allowed to say that about yourself.

Good point.

That's something that others should say to you.

Exactly. It's way better when it's made as a compliment.

And usually it's a compliment, but it's also not like literally true.

Yeah, they're just the nice.

It's like you look really good for your age, which sounds like a back-handed compliment, right?

Right.

But it is a compliment.

But we've just completely lost the thread.

And now it's like, you know what?

I think I look 13.

And I'm going to post that on the internet.

And then they're like shocked when people disagree with them.

I don't know.

Is this a weird thing?

So I had a friend text me, and I'm asking for a friend.

What if you're somebody that doesn't worry about whether you look younger, but you act like you're 30 years younger than you are?

Is that weird?

Hey, I like appreciating being up for a friend.

I'm asking for a friend.

It's for me.

Yeah.

Mindset, max.

Yeah, what would we call that?

We got to come up with a name for it.

That way we can do it on the TikTok and get some engagement.

Youth, maxing.

Youth, maxing.

Yeah, but people are going to imply looks from that.

Kevin, maxing.

Yeah.

Joel says, I'm 38, man.

I look 48.

I bet you don't.

I bet you look exactly your age.

Most people, I think-

I think 35, I look like a corpse family in the room.

I think most people, nobody looks like a very specific age.

Nobody looks 32.

Nobody looks 45.

But you can look like a range.

To me, people tend to look like, okay, if you look like you're in your 20s, I think there's some similarities there.

Maybe early to mid 20s, and then late 20s, early 30s, that's a range.

Usually, I think you can fall within a four or five-year range, and that's what's normal.

Right?

Yeah, but you're never going to be able to pull off the 20-year thing, people.

No.

If you're 35, trust me, you don't look 20.

It's just ridiculous.

Come on now.

It's just ridiculous.

Come on now.

It's just ridiculous.

Come on now.

It's just ridiculous.

Come on now.

It's just ridiculous.

Come on now.