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We are talking what I think is one of the

funnest areas of life.

The wonderful world of Brazilian

strikers.

Oh, yes, great.

Great.

So we are looking at three key ones,

Romario,

Renaldo,

not to be confused with the Portuguese

Cristiano Renaldo,

but the original and I still think.

Yes.

The OG.

And Ronald Dino.

Now, I know some people say Ron Dino

sort of a mid forward and attacking forward

and winger and all that,

for the sake of this discussion,

because I'm going to put forward the argument

that these three strikers,

or Brazilian footballers,

have captured in a way

the Brazilian style of play,

the off-field antics.

And they have all played together

with each other sort of in a,

they're sort of a continuum of line.

Okay.

So in Brazil,

being the sort of the top goal scorer

or the key player on the Brazilian team,

I say it's a bit like being the Pope.

Be bigger than the Pope.

Everyone is interested.

Everyone worships you.

But the Pope's never won your World Cup.

Well, that's true.

That we know of.

We might have been quite word with God.

That's, you know, he works in mystery as well.

He does.

But then on top of that,

there's always someone waiting in the wings

who's going to come and overtake you.

And we'll be the next Pope, you know.

So there's always positioning around this

and all this.

To give it like the context of,

you know, how big they are.

And I know this is a different country

and a different striker.

But when I was in Argentina in 2000,

well, very, and even though it's a different country,

the passion for the game is the same.

Yes, I saw the Maradona talk show

when he had his talk show.

And how massive and everyone in Argentina watched it.

He had Fidel Castro as a guest.

Did he?

Yeah.

Oh, that's pretty good.

He and Fidel were tight.

Of course.

What would he be?

It was a video feed.

He didn't have him in studio.

Oh, that's nice.

But he had huge guests.

Man, he was the biggest thing in English.

I imagine all of South America would have loved it.

Oh, it was nuts.

It wasn't a terrible show, apparently.

Yeah, it went for six hours, because he was so hot.

And we've done Diego Maradona,

which was one of my favorite series of all time,

because I mean, one of the things,

he met the Pope several times.

And he did Coke in the bathroom while meeting the Pope.

The Pope wasn't in there with him.

Yeah.

He became an ambassador for sport

and was given a diplomatic passport.

Oh, how great.

So he's giving, so he can go through customs there

and have him to declare anything.

So when we get into these, I thought,

this is just a wonderful world of,

we're going to get it all sorts of high jinks.

And what era is it we're spanning from?

So we're going from 1987, right through until sort of 2011,

sort of area.

So we're dominating around this year.

Yeah, dominating.

And these three strikers, there is no rent.

There are many others.

But, you know, Pele sets,

and the reason I've included him here

is we're going to do a whole series on Pele down the track,

because Pele, a great example.

I think I had three wives,

eight kids that he admitted to, and there were many more,

you know, was that thing of On the Field?

I mean, he won a World Cup and at 17.

Wow.

People forget that.

You know, so he had a crazy thing.

And so this Brazilian thing of enormous flair

and enthusiasm and excitement

coupled with this similar off-field,

hearty and feeling.

And also being good enough to be known

by what a singular name like Hitler.

Yeah, exactly.

And Madonna, the two I always jump to right.

And then on top of that,

this pure talent almost with hatred,

a pathological hatred of training.

Right, yeah, yeah.

Because they've got all Brazilians.

But these go, this is like people

who have made it all on talent almost alone

with very little actual working in it.

Based on, like, they would have spent,

did they come from poverty?

Because, you know, when you just see them,

that's all they've all come from poverty.

Yeah, so all they've got when they're little

is just no food and a soccer ball.

That's right.

And often not a soccer ball.

Like often it's just literally rags wrapped up

or dead dogs head.

Well, pretty much, it's like not far off it.

Yeah.

So if you can get a dead dog's head

to curve around the golly,

you've got some skills.

Yeah, once it's out, use a soccer light.

This is easy.

What do we even do in here?

I've been able to keep the snap.

Well, it is like that.

I mean, like Maradona was known for using an orange

and just go walking around the favela

bouncing an orange off his feet,

and off his head and all that

because a ball was not always available.

So, you know, stuff like that.

I've got to a ball.

I mean, he never had scurvy.

That's what I've always said.

That's what I've always said.

Because of all the things.

Yeah, scurvy was probably the one thing

he actually avoided.

So let's start with Romario.

Romario, he tore apart,

and I remember this is when I started

really paying attention to soccer.

1994 World Cup in the USA.

So I have memories of watching the World Cup

before then, but this is the one

where I was sort of old enough,

and it was all on SPS.

Okay.

I don't remember like no,

curious stuff.

So you would have watched the SPS late night movie,

and then the football would have...

Yeah, that's right.

I was surprised that it was like,

you're still awake.

Well, also, American sports is perfect,

because it's like 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock in the morning.

Right.

If it's in the end prime, it's, you know,

it was at school, but you know,

it was just...

It's just watching BTN and then you watch...

I was ready to go.

So he tore it apart and he led Brazil to victory,

and he was this explosive.

He's a true, true striker.

So I think in the penalty box,

five people around him,

he was the guy that could suddenly faint,

pushing someone off,

and then he could score.

So just absolutely amazing.

And when he did this in 9.94,

the prediction was,

this guy will dominate the next three world cups.

He is the man,

and we'll get to why

that didn't fully come to fruition.

But on pure talent,

this was one of the great ones.

So Ramario is born,

and for the minute he's born,

it was pretty much obviously,

had more talent in one foot

than most football teams had.

Imagine being the parent of that.

If you're in poverty and you just go,

this kid is like,

if your brothers and sisters,

you'd be like, get away from him.

Do not hurt his feet.

It is a meal ticket out of there.

And we see this in the NFL,

in the NBL.

We see this in all sorts of sports.

No, never goes badly always.

But I think I needed to do a bit on Andre Ryzen,

who was the Atlanta wide receiver,

who lost more money.

Yeah.

He made like,

$1,000, hundreds of millions,

almost have his crew.

And I think basically,

family got to him and friends, you know.

The entourage.

The entourage, yeah.

I could never afford an entourage.

So he grew up in a favela,

and he's playing the neighborhood games,

as they all do.

He's a very similar story to Maridona.

And people are just a standard.

The minute they see them,

they go,

Jesus, kid is just,

I mean,

and anyone who's got kids,

you go and watch junior football.

You can see who stands out.

Or create,

or occasionally just see someone

and go,

this kid's playing a different sport to these kids.

So I said to my girlfriend the other day,

her son was playing basketball,

and there was one kid on the opposition team who was shit.

And I said to my girlfriend,

I was like, they should let that kid get the ball,

because every time he shoots,

he misses and wildly misses.

He just don't guard him.

Yeah, don't guard him.

And she was like,

he can't sit and I was like,

yeah, but it's true.

Does he keep the kid the ball?

You'd be a ruthless,

judicate.

I would give him the ball,

let him have it.

The kid thinks he's great.

But you say that,

and then you just see someone,

and they are insane.

And so he was like that.

Yeah, they stand out, right?

So much so he's practising his autograph as a young child,

because everyone was just saying,

you will be...

When did you start practising autograph?

If you've seen my autograph ago,

he's never practised it.

My kid's laugh when I saw him for something.

I've gotten a few checks from him.

Yeah, they go, what the hell is that?

It's so bad they don't want to copy you.

So he's doing that.

So he would say,

it was a gift from God, his skill.

And he once said,

when I was born,

the man in the sky pointed to me and said,

that's the guy.

Wow.

It's good on God.

That's a pick in your mouth.

That's the guy.

Now, imagine this is an insight

into some of his problems there in the trip.

When you literally think

when you were born, God pointed at you and said,

that's the guy to get the rest of the six billion people

on the planet or whatever it was at the time.

And, you know, I'm not going to give him everything.

I'm going to make him grow up in a favela,

but soccer skills.

But he's going to be like...

So,

he's desperate to play for Vasco de Gamma,

which is one of the biggest clubs in Brazil.

His 13 and the club tells him he's too small.

So they say, he's too small.

And so he went off to join a much smaller club called Alaria.

So he's 13.

He starts to score goals at such an alarming rate

that within the year you Vasco de Gamma back on the phone going.

Well, actually, we might have been a bit hasty there

about you being too small,

because he was just insane.

Which I'm surprised by that,

because I wouldn't have thought,

I know for a strike you've got to get,

you know, you've got to be out ahead of the ball and stuff.

But I would have thought being nimble and quick

and I would have, I'm surprised it's small is a thing.

If it's not a goalie.

Well, you look at Messi.

He was under size.

You look at...

No, don't.

Well, they put him on steroids as a teenager

because he was so small.

So, you know, growth hormone.

Because when they thought he had dwarfism.

Yeah, right.

But, you know, not the doctors,

but just the, they'd say that about him

in scouting reports and stuff, people.

So he goes back to Vasco and he becomes an absolute star.

But he also gets, starts to attract some controversy,

which is his life line.

As a junior patent.

Yeah, a talent as a reluctant trainer.

Uh-huh, love it.

And a keen night out.

So he's getting into his team years and stuff.

And he once said,

the night was always my friend.

When I go out, I'm happy.

And when I'm happy, I score goals.

Well, there you go.

There's a logic.

Yeah.

In 1995, he goes to the World Youth Cup,

which is in Moscow.

And he was eventually kicked off the team

for running around a hotel naked

and urinating off balcony.

I mean, I think I can score.

Now you've got to kind of slap.

It's good playing fun.

Yeah, exactly.

You know, just kids muck him.

Just horse play.

Yeah.

Who hasn't urinated off a hotel belt?

And is that against communism?

He's a slainable statement.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't think in Moscow,

they treat this thing too kindly.

Yeah, I wouldn't do anything off a balcony.

Now, he's father later claimed,

no, that that was not the reason he was sent home,

that that was a cover store.

Right.

That the real reason he was sent home.

And I think at this point,

you know, he's like about 15, 16.

The real point he was sent home

is because the coach of the Brazilian junior team,

Gilson Nunez's wife had fallen madly and loved with Romario.

This is what his dad says.

Okay, yeah.

Romario's dad says.

Now, his father, Edva,

I wouldn't take him as a,

like I wouldn't take him as a great witness.

Okay.

He has five commandments to live for Romario's dad.

I love this.

And I'm going to give them to,

and I think you and I should adopt them.

Okay.

I can't.

I get Moses.

Yeah, forget the, forget the 12,

you the five from Romario's dad.

Don't fly a kite.

Okay.

That's number one.

That's the first command.

I mean, that's easy to live by.

I can do that.

I've been so,

I've been so,

I've been done a,

I reckon for it.

When's the last time you've got kids?

I've got kids,

but I still think like I would have flown a kite

twice in my life.

Yeah.

Yeah, mum and dad were told we should get a kite

and fly it and then we're going to go,

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Susan doesn't take off.

You're like, this is shit.

Yeah.

And then now you got drones.

So what?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, we want to have a kite.

We're like,

your kids have drones.

You get them from like the Iranian ones?

That's right.

We got some, we got some,

we got some defensive ones.

So don't fly a kite.

It's number one of his commandments.

It looks like number two,

don't drink wine.

That's a tough one.

Okay.

So I'm combination here.

Number three, don't do drags.

God,

it sounds a bit boring.

Much more sensible after don't fly a kite.

Like he's,

he's gone from the,

then he's got,

don't let anyone fuck with you.

That's his number four.

That's four.

And number five is,

when you shake someone's hand,

do it hard and look them in the eye.

Well, I think he's five

rules of life to live.

Why don't we have the kite thing coming?

The kite thing is really out of him.

Someone's, he's,

he's obviously gotten pissed in high one time.

He's tried to fly a kite

and someone's giving him a limp handshake.

And he's gone this can't happen.

What else I love is?

What a terrible day that was.

It leaves out murder.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

Like he hasn't covered any of it.

Yeah, but obviously flying a kite

is a gateway to those.

So if you don't fly a kite,

then you're not going to do any of that.

Now, with the Ramario's,

with the Ramario's coaches,

wife and actually fall in love with him or not,

we'll never know.

That's just what he's dead since.

So hang on, you can drink alcohol.

Just not wine is what I'm hearing.

That's right.

And Ramario doesn't drink really.

Okay.

We'll get into this,

which makes some of the stuff he does even crazy.

Okay, yeah, right, right.

The reality is,

when Ramario got sent home,

it probably was he was running naked

and urinating, not falling,

like not that these coaches,

wife and fall in love with him.

Yeah, because why is she there?

Oh, I mean, and who knows?

And that's his dad saying that years later.

Yeah, but at the same time,

Ramario also did fall out with

pretty much every one who had every coach.

Yeah, that's not going to.

Wasn't great, Blimey.

There's going to be a reoccurring thing.

Okay.

But Ramario, because he believed

that he'd been appointed by God

to be the greatest footballer of all time.

Do you reckon they were getting your head?

Yeah, well, he didn't believe normal rules applied to him.

Oh, why would you?

Anyway, the fact was, by this point,

he started to get it sick with Brazil.

It's time for him to go to Europe.

Oh, he's just spreading his wings.

He's far to go.

So in 1988, PSV,

Idenhoven,

their manager,

Gus Hintik,

who we know very well,

Ozzy Gus,

yeah,

signed Ramario to play for him.

And he loved managing him.

Okay.

He was one of the few

that, because Ozzy Gus,

he knew how to manage.

He did.

Yeah, he was great for us.

He once said,

he's the most interesting player I've worked with so far.

If he saw that I was a bit nervous,

more nervous than usual ahead of a big game,

he'd come to me and say,

take it easy, coach.

I'm going to score and we're going to win.

What's incredible is that eight out of the ten times

he told me that he really did score

and we really did win.

How good to be a coach with an absolute gun.

Oh, yeah.

Are you a good coach or are you just a coach who goes?

May just get it to him.

I think, I think almost all good coaches

you're looking, they've mainly just had really good players.

There's a few.

I feel like you're a chick.

Yeah, there's a Tom Brady lead.

They suck.

But he wins Tampa.

Yeah, Super Bowl and almost so.

Yeah.

You could argue if you never met Tom Brady.

I mean, he's still a good coach.

He's a okay coach.

Yeah.

Alissa Clarkson in the A.F.

You could argue.

You know, there's a few.

John Buchanan had Shane Warnock with Gras

and quite a few good players in that team.

That's right.

I mean, there's a few teams you look at and go,

I reckon I could have coached them too.

Because they really coached themselves.

They're good ones.

There's a few people like Alex Ferguson,

years of being at the top,

different players, different teams,

different, you kind of go.

He's rebuilt that team.

Like on the 5 or 6 times at least fully.

And they've always been good.

And then when he leaves,

it's an absolute basket case.

That to me is one of the few.

But anyway,

so good thing he said he's amazing.

But then Sir Bobby Robson,

he came after hitting because manager at PSV.

And he saw the other side of Ramario.

So where this was class half full.

Yeah.

Bobby Robson,

bit more old school.

Was a lot more like.

So he was said,

there were days when he was pathetically lazy.

There was a lot of lazy.

Not just lazy.

It's good.

That's a good effort of laziness.

There was no controlling his private life.

To Ramario,

Friday night was party night.

Even if we had a game the next day.

Alcohol was not the problem.

He was a Coca-Cola guy.

Because remember,

don't fly kite.

Yeah.

Don't drink.

Yeah.

But he'd stay out until four in the morning

and sleep all day before a 7 30 PM kickoff.

So that was his practicing, right?

I mean, I don't have an issue with that.

Like he's sleeping.

It's not like it's a 10 AM game and he's coming.

He's not hungover, I guess.

No.

But I see. He's got time to diabetes.

But he's not hungover.

Robson said he would take calls from people saying,

Ramario's been out all night.

He left here at four.

He would dance, chat,

meet a local lady,

crows with her,

and then sleep all day to be fresh for the game.

So I'm not a problem.

I don't think there was a lot of sleeping going on.

No.

Do you know what I mean?

It's cuddling.

A cuddling's good before a game.

It is.

Nothing like cuddling to get you into the name.

Yeah.

Stress release.

It is.

He goes out there, he's relaxed,

particularly lazy.

He's having a special cuddle.

Finally, 993,

Ramario though,

still because he was so good.

He's off to Barcelona to play for

Johan Kruff, who says,

this guy's a gun, let's get him.

And he's an instant success at Barcelona.

He scores 30 goals in 33 games.

Wow.

And the team wins LaLiga.

He was so good that

Johan was like,

as he's manager,

the your laziness and the things you will do

are just the cost of having 30 goals in 33 games, right?

Like if you're delivering on that level,

I almost don't care.

Yeah, just see you on the pitch.

Yeah, and that's it.

As long as you sharpen score goals like that,

which is the theme of all this sort,

is if you're delivering,

you can get away with almost everything.

Yeah, that's true.

The minute you stop delivering,

it's a different story.

The contract is,

you can say people are working from home.

If you're working from home,

but delivering on all your projects,

no one complains about it.

Yeah.

Suddenly people are going,

he's working from home and I'm never...

You know, I went to the driving range on a Friday.

And you know,

it was the busiest I've ever seen it

because everyone's working from home.

That's right, it's near you can't get in there.

So in January 1994,

today's ahead of a clash,

Barcelona are taking on Real Madrid.

Here we go.

No big a game.

And Romario asked,

if he could mistraining the following week

to travel back to Brazil for Carnival.

Christ was thrilled with this idea.

But he said to Romario,

if you score twice against Real Madrid,

I'll let you go back to Brazil for Carnival.

No, give me an incentive.

So Barcelona and Real Madrid take on each other.

And within 20 minutes,

Romario scored two goals.

Wow, that's a driven man.

And he...

That's a man who was a dance in the streets.

And after he scored the second goal,

he went up to Johan and said,

can you sub me off?

Coach, my plane lives in an hour.

Oh, that's great.

He then scores another goal for a hat trick.

So he had to...

He overdeliver's on his promise.

And an hour after the game,

he's on a plane on his way to Carnival.

I have no problem with that.

I'm on a trip.

I'm on a trip.

It gets real, the three.

Yeah, exactly.

You can pretty much do your work.

So this is all going very well at the moment.

It's hard if you're another player, though.

You're just watching that.

And you'll be like,

I know he's good.

And I know he's making us good.

But it would get to you afterwards.

Yeah, we're training all the next week.

Yeah, he's a carnival.

Yeah, he's a carnival.

Totally.

I mean,

but the same time he's won, you're the guy.

Yeah, well, yeah.

So, you know, he's also...

He's making all life easier because you won.

It's a bit like the Jack Nicholson thing,

I'm not providing them questions mattering,

which I've provided in a few good minutes.

Like, you are living this life you live

because of the way I am, my talents.

Yeah.

But yeah, so it's driven into the airport.

Yeah, and it's the point once again,

you don't score the hat trick.

Yeah.

You know, there's sort of a...

But the problem is, as it goes on,

you know, when you're doing stuff like those, it's great,

but Yo-Anne finds himself as manager

having to make more and more concessions with Romario.

So it's more important.

So Marario was...

It's given him an inch.

It's given him an inch and it takes more.

Romario would always sleep in.

So Yo-Anne would find him whenever he was late,

which is pretty much every single day.

Romario once said,

I don't care about the fines,

I'm going to win the World Cup

and I'll pay them with the money I make from it.

Come for the man.

I mean, he's been anointed by God.

So, you know, this is...

You know, this is the sort of thing he's doing.

Are they on big dollars back then?

It has been relative.

Yeah, relative for the time.

I mean, this is getting into the 90s now,

where there's going to be a starter coming in.

I mean, nothing compared to...

Yes, of course.

You know, today, but...

Well, so you've got to...

You know, this is the thing.

You come from...

Complete poverty.

Yeah.

In some way or quite.

Yeah, you've got a lot of life.

That's right.

Yeah, he was a moot poet.

Yeah.

That was the reason it was in his commandments

because they were too expensive.

There's nothing to do with it.

Yeah, we've got the card.

I'm going to string.

You've got that sweet sweet card on me now.

You're going to be tempted.

So the thing about it is,

but also, you know, you're at Barcelona.

Suddenly he's going out.

No, he doesn't drink.

So he's only drinking Coca-Cola.

You can imagine what's he paying for anyway.

So every restaurant you go to

is being calmed every year.

You never bought a paella in his life.

No, that's right.

So finally, it's the 1994 World Cup.

And he's playing for Barcelona.

He's gone over there now.

His only previous experience was at the 1990 World Cup.

He played just 66 minutes in a game against Scotland.

So he was much younger then.

So in the lead up to 994 World Cup,

there'd been a bit of drama.

Romario had expressed publicly his displeasure.

It had been left on the bench during an early qualifier.

OK.

For most things, this makes sense because like,

well, you don't want to ruin him.

You're resting year early.

You play as early as a qualifier and all this.

But then the coach reads these comments of him saying he's upset.

He's not playing.

So Brazilian coach decides that,

well, I'll leave you out of the next seven matches

of our qualifying campaign.

Seven.

Yeah.

Imagine he's not taking that well.

No, he's not happy.

And so he's out of it.

It's amazing from a sports person's point of view.

They go, mate, yeah, you can't play for seven games.

Whereas someone said to me, mate, you got seven weeks off.

You still getting paid.

Yeah, I'm like, thank you.

Thank you.

I'll see you in a bit.

Now, the problem is leaving him out.

Brazil are going OK, but then they suddenly

have their first ever loss in World Cup qualifying.

Right.

Brazil are in their qualifying pool of South America.

They're the biggest.

They're launching Paraguay.

They lose to Belivia.

That's got to hurt.

That, you know, Belivia is not the

full powerhouse that Brazil is.

So the outrage in Brazil is like

a fever pitch in Brazil when they national team

is, I mean, you're talking politicians coming out

and talking about it.

You're talking about everyone.

It's not like just the sports judo.

It is.

Yeah, it's big.

It's big.

Front page.

Governments can go down.

And the big question is,

why the hell isn't Romario playing?

Yep.

And fair enough, good question.

So then Brazil finds itself still with a chance

to finish top of its qualifying group,

but they needed to beat Uruguay.

And there is a huge public and media campaign

in Brazil saying to Carlos Pereira,

the manager, bring Romario back into the side.

Finally, which is not illogical, by the way.

Yeah.

And finally, under all the pressure,

the manager says, OK, you're back in.

Yep.

Force two, I say, because he's just he's really

not a fan of Romario after the comments earlier.

I'm pondering that he had been selected.

Romario says, I already know what is going to happen.

I'm going to finish Uruguay.

Good.

Before the match, it's like WWE.

I like it.

It's like it's already over.

He then scores both goals in a 2-0 victory.

Great.

So this is, I mean, how cold is that?

He talks at all.

Yeah, how cold is that?

That's good.

I'm going to, it's like you're doing stand-up as a comedian

and going, this is going to be the funnest I could have ever heard.

Yeah.

It's like I've been...

And then it is.

It's like I've been dragging over these confidence.

Your brakes are hollow, Creed.

He then, of course, as we mentioned early on,

he heads over to the World Cup in America and Brazil win.

And he has five goals in tournament.

His name, player of the tournament.

OK.

He is also told that he can miss the final training camp

because he wants to go to the beach to play volleyball

with his mates instead.

And the manager lets him because of the outcry last time.

Yeah.

So he's...

With his...

I'm going to go play volleyball with my mates.

Oh my god, spring break.

So he doesn't go to a whole training camp

before the World Cup and still his name, player of the tournament.

Imagine that though.

Your name, player of the tournament of the World Cup.

Like, it was...

I reckon it would go to your head.

Oh.

It's insane.

So this point, you know,

you've got his national managers

for the falling out that learned...

Had to go on the volleyball, by the way.

Yeah, you should be killed.

You've learnt that, you know,

if you argue against this guy,

he'll just crack it.

You're not hiding it now.

You're not hiding it as a whole, nothing.

Because he's too talented to leave out.

The question always is, though,

which we touched on earlier,

though, is this behaviour,

the late nights, the partying,

the women, the complete,

reluctance train.

Yeah.

You know, like,

very barely ever went to training.

Like, if you saw him at training, people...

It was like, he went so rarely

that if someone saw him there,

they'd be like,

what are you doing here?

Rather than...

What's his body shape like?

He's, he's shortish and he's not super stocky,

but he's strong.

His legs are like...

Right, oh yeah, okay.

It's one of those guys

who can just,

and you cannot move him.

Yeah, right.

Low center of gravity.

A pair and explosive.

Yeah.

Insanely explosive.

He's really up close.

He's a true striker,

up close to the goal rather than

an or an attacking midfielder or something,

but, you know, I can see

or something is, or a rondino.

Strong in the box.

Insane, like, can't be stopped.

And little faints and stepovers

and get to past you just great at it.

So, a joy to watch.

I remember watching him live

when this all went down and just going,

geez, you know,

he really did just dazzle that World Cup.

It's just like he's got a good,

kite flying body body body.

Like, he couldn't get away from it.

He shouldn't.

He's really missed that or something there.

So, the problem is the question is,

but like,

this is all good until you stop scoring.

So, yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

Take this if he stops scoring, you know,

an up, but after the 994 World Cup,

everyone's so excited.

The Barcelona is about to fight out.

The downsides?

The downsides.

After the World Cup win,

Romario is, he just parties.

Okay.

Like, there's more.

Fair enough.

Yeah, it's, but it's Coca-Cola's,

it's whatever.

So,

I'm so sorry on the Coca-Cola,

but I would,

Oh, yeah.

No, well, apparently,

I mean, this is one of the weird things is he,

I mean, who knows if he took other things.

Remember, don't do drugs as another one of us as well.

But, no, I think, I think for him,

that thing that it amazes people

when you read these comments is...

Just like the party.

Just party party party party party party party party party.

I mean, he had so much caffeine and sugar in it.

Yeah.

That, you know, probably, probably worse

than some other drugs.

Say party, there's photos all over the media of him dancing.

He starts playing friendlies in Brazil.

Yeah, right.

Like, just for fun, you know,

but proper games and stuff.

And meanwhile, Barcelona are waiting for him to return

for preseason.

Yeah, okay.

And they're kind of like, where are they?

Where is he?

And meanwhile, they're getting these images

of him playing for other teams.

And like, stuff he couldn't do now at all.

And eventually, he returns,

but he's two weeks late to preseason training.

He's fatigued, exhausted.

Yeah, right.

Because he's just played in it.

Yeah, so his offseason is playing a World Cup,

play the game, plays all the matches,

then goes on a partying, like, you know,

and playing games.

Yeah.

So he's had no break.

What's over here, you know, at all.

So then he's back and he starts turning up again,

like, for practices.

Which is amazing, considering he lived next door

to the practice facility.

I love that.

He's watching practice.

He's having a coffee while he's like,

and you can't practice down.

It's waking me up.

He's like, it's the commute.

It's killing me.

I mean, that's all the areas.

The lift took ages.

So he was stuck.

Roberto Alamey played for the Blue Jays

is a fantastic shortstop.

In the old Skydome, there was a hotel in there,

and he lived in the hotel,

and he would look out his room

and see when training was sort of getting serious.

Jumping the lift and head down.

That's the life.

That's the life.

I've mentioned that.

So he's also, this is all happened before with Ramaria.

You know, when he was shocked

that he wasn't coming to training and all that.

But the difference is he,

he suddenly looked tired on the pitch

and he started to miss games as well,

which had never happened before.

Like, the old thing was,

let me do whatever I want,

and I'll dominate on the Saturday and who cares.

You know, and finally,

this is starting to be a problem because...

How old is he by now?

I think he's like,

yeah, he's getting late 20s.

Late 20s, okay.

Jesus, it's not good when you've cooked yourself.

You're on in your late 20s.

Well, the problem here too is he doesn't train.

So there's like everyone,

he just, there's no looking after your body,

but then there's also no fitness build up.

There's no.

So there's a streak of eight games

where he doesn't score at all.

Which for him is...

No, that's huge.

Long.

And Barcelona are wondering what to do.

This is like becoming frustrating.

You know, they're starting to say,

well, mate, you know, come to training at least.

Yeah. You know, work on this.

So go out.

And just stop going at the Friday night for a game.

Yeah.

Try the...

Then in one game,

Ramario, they're playing Sevilla

and he clocks Diego Simone with a left hook

and gets a five match ban.

So the frustration is building.

And so not at least he's not scoring.

He's now punching someone and he's now out

for the next five games,

even though he's not scoring.

The pressure is just building and building and the background.

Soon, Ramario starts selling people.

I want to go back to Brazil.

And the real thing is he want to go back to Brazil

because in Brazil, they would accept.

It's a level below,

but also, unprofessionalism is not a friend of one.

Yeah.

And he's a hero there.

Yo, Em wasn't too keen on this.

He's like, this guy's too lazy to help himself.

He said, I want the best from my players.

If Ramario is not happy here and wants to go home,

he no longer interests me.

All right.

He's cutting him.

He cuts him.

So it deals done.

Ramario is back off to Brazil.

He's only been at Barcelona for 16 months.

Okay.

He's the best player in the world

just a few months before at the World Cup,

having won La Liga and the World Cup

if in a few months space.

Jesus, he's fallen off a cliff.

And now he's heading back to Brazil

because he just didn't want to try.

Yeah.

And this leaves everyone wondering what could have been

totally for Ramario.

Yeah.

That brings us to our next superstar

who crosses over with Ramario.

I like the fact that there's like a handing over of the baton.

There is very much.

And they come into contact with each other

and have an interesting relationship.

Okay.

So the next person we're going to get to is Ronaldo.

Okay.

So a lot of people are going to remember

Ronaldo the striker.

So not Cristiana Ronaldo

but if you're probably from a later generation

but in a more recent but the Brazil in Ronaldo

who arguably some people would say

is the best striker of all time,

some people would say.

Ramario and Ronaldo had a very interesting sort of relationship.

Ramario, one of the things which we've touched on

is was sex obsessed.

Okay.

And when Ronaldo is starting to move through as a junior.

So if you look at, to give people the time frame,

Ramario starts playing through Brazil

that makes the national team in 987 for the first time,

placed through to 2005 just to place us in time

but less and less over the journey.

And it's not bad international career.

It's almost not bad but he was a lot of them

like single appearances and stuff like that.

Ronaldo starts playing for Brazil in 1994.

So he comes in, you know, a good sort of eight years

after Ramario has debuted for Brazil.

So he comes in and Ramario's peaked.

But Ramario's, yes.

Ramario is at his peak when Ronaldo

gets his first cap for Brazil.

So to give you a context.

And Ramario is very keen on sex

and he wants to do a journalist.

Good strikers can only score goals

when they have good sex the night before a match.

A lot of pressure.

A Brazilian priest came out at the time

and said, I don't think Ramario

should be in the national team

because he said this.

Because obviously it's not married.

Massive Catholic.

It's disgusting.

And to be having sex before marriage wouldn't hear of it.

And this Brazilian priest

and this sort of sums up the relationship

between the two.

I'm going to get a confession after his podcast, by the way.

Yes.

Even talking about his makeup.

Don't lie, even if that's sex.

Brazilian priest says of Ramario,

he's worried that he could pass

bad spirits on to young up and coming Ronaldo.

Okay.

So for very early on these two are linked.

It's almost, it's like.

Is it a priest in that?

Yeah.

Priest is like,

in the national media, it was a debate.

Yeah.

So this is this thing of,

you've got Ramario, the striker,

the best play for zero.

No, it's by God, by the way.

And then he coming in the shadows

whoever and can see is the next

generational version.

And it's a bit like when I say it's like

a Pope handover.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

People can see this sort of coming

and people won't worry about it.

Ronaldo was Ronaldo Nazario,

was his name.

He's 10 years younger than

Ramario.

So, you know,

is that next generation basically

and he becomes known simply as Ronaldo.

Yeah.

And if you'd said that before,

Cristiano Ronaldo,

if you're just a Ronaldo,

everyone knows who you're talking about.

Absolutely.

It's only later on that become confusing.

He grew up playing in the street.

Poor again,

at 12 he joins a local

futsal side.

So, this is, you know,

indoor soccer.

Much smaller.

He's got 166 goals in his first season.

Now, even if you know nothing about

futsal with a version of soccer,

a small thing or I think it's five

aside or something.

And big in Brazil,

that is insane.

It is just,

yeah, it's not even,

because the goals are slightly smaller.

Yeah, everything about it is ridiculous.

It wasn't until the age of 15,

so he played in the streets and played futsal.

It wasn't until the age of 15,

he started playing 11 aside football.

That's odd, isn't it?

Yeah.

Like in a soccer mad country and, you know,

continent,

there you go, don't let him know.

Well, futsal's huge over there.

And a lot of that very tight footwork,

close control,

and creativity get past your man.

You have to do that on a small pitch.

Yeah, true.

So, a lot of the skills come out man in Brazil.

But yes, it's odd not going and then playing.

Yeah, when I was in South America,

you'd see tiny football fields everywhere.

Yeah, it's huge.

So, at the age of 15,

he joins this 11 aside football club first time.

Alfredo San Pios,

the coach at South Christopher Vale,

where Renato joins.

And Alfredo says he scored a lot of goals,

but he never celebrated.

He didn't run off waving his arms at all,

which, you know,

you see some of the South American celebrations.

Yeah, there's a lot.

Alfredo, the coach once said to him,

why do you score goals and not celebrate?

Like, that's odd.

Renato turn around said,

Gaffa, scoring is normal for me.

And he said he said he didn't say with any arrogance.

He wasn't gloating.

It wasn't vanity.

He said it with a childish air.

It was more like,

if I celebrate every time I score,

I'm going to end up getting tired.

I love that logic.

He was like that.

He liked playing and just having fun.

If you hit a boundary and cricket,

you don't celebrate that every time.

But in T20, they make everyone celebrate every boundary.

Yeah, and there's like fireworks.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, there's a lot of boundaries.

It just becomes two.

I like his logic.

Well, and he's scoring like 10 games in a goal and stuff.

So it's the fact is for him.

Yeah, if he scored 166 unfortunately,

he's sitting at home.

He's tired thinking of celebration.

Yeah, it's just not that exciting for him.

You know, if I,

when I ever played soccer a bit as a kid,

you know, if I scored a goal,

I mean, that might be my one for the next five years.

Like, you know, up and above is a striker.

He's very talented.

And the thing he does show very early on those in terms of practice,

he only works on aspects of the game that he likes.

I like it.

So for this kind of guy,

so for an example, his coach,

Sam Pio said he played across the world,

but never was never good at heading,

which you think for someone who operates in the box a lot.

Absolutely, that's weird.

He didn't like it.

He never developed the ability.

The times that I met him after the joke,

all right, have you learned how to head it yet?

When we did physical training,

the little rascal didn't like to run at all.

He came out with all the bloody excuses.

But when it came to the game,

the Phil Adeputa, which is son of a whore,

transformed in the game.

He was the bollocks.

It was natural for him that acceleration,

those stepovers with left and right.

So once again, we're saying a guy

doesn't like to train,

but it just turns it on when they need to.

In a game, no one can stop him.

I wonder if the thinking there is like,

I've got a finite amount.

I don't want to burn at a training.

Or I can just turn.

I don't need to.

I know what I'm doing.

I think it's totally just people who,

and you see this all the time,

you see it often with kids like who have enormous talent,

so they're just instantly so much better than everyone else.

And the problem is,

others work hard and either catch up.

You know, like the bad,

even though they're telling it bad,

how it's could be exploited.

Or this seems to happen again and again in sport,

unless you do the recovery and you're left.

So you were like a shooting star.

Like Ramari is the great example.

Probably should have had a 20-year career

gone the three-world cups or start in three-world cups.

Instead, really, no 94s is a big thing.

Yeah, yeah.

And then it's a rapid decline when you're not you're not you're not you age.

Simple as that.

Like your talent's still there to an extent,

but you're you know,

what was your explosive agility or speed is just come back to the pack a little bit.

When you look at something like Tom Brady,

yes, yes,

which we talked about the talent was there,

but the work ethics is like obsessive.

Like he's an odd guy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And Michael Jordan was the same Don Brabman,

and said they were odd people.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They weren't at part of you.

They were like,

right, what's everyone doing?

Yeah, yeah, they went John Daly.

Yeah, not only three,

Renato signs with Cruzeo in the Brazilian league,

and he starts tearing the league apart straight away.

My problem was I'm shit, and I like to party.

Yeah, that's that's that's more.

Most of the career is real.

And sure, you didn't have the talent all the work.

In one game against Bayer,

he scores five goals.

And some of his opponents say they could later on

we considered retiring after the play in that game.

He's 17 when this happened.

Wow.

So this is our good news.

So that's like a triple century.

Yeah, that's like, yeah, in your 17.

Yeah.

Soon every club in the Brazilian league wants him.

Cruzeo's club president, Cesar Maskey,

says we're not letting him go.

And he's so desperate that he gives him a red VW goal,

the most popular car in South America,

the ton of these, but there's these little hatchbacks

that the very fun people love them.

Yeah, right.

He gives it to him even though

Ronaldo's not legally able to drive.

Journalist Polo Galvo,

remembers seeing Ronaldo driving around.

He said at that time,

if you have to understand them in Brazil,

things weren't really that serious.

Ronaldo didn't have a driving license.

Everyone knew he went to training in his car,

but he wasn't 18.

He wasn't old enough to have a license.

But he had offers from other clubs

and it convinced him to sign.

The Cruzeo president said,

ah, no, here, have a car.

It's Brazil.

It's different.

You know you're from poverty when a car just keeps you.

And it's the VW goal.

It's like a four-door hatchback.

Like a golf.

Yeah, it's basically a bigger version of a goal.

It's not like that.

That's even not going anywhere.

It's like, that's all I need.

Now, Ronaldo's love goal scoring.

Suddenly, everyone's going, this kid is insane.

But people are starting to notice

that there's two other things he loves

as much as goal scoring.

Women?

Women?

Yes.

And food.

Ah, I can't as a dangerous mix.

Relatable, but a dangerous mix.

At the 1994 World Cup, where Romario is starring,

Ronaldo is still too young to drive his own car.

Ronaldo is selected for the Brazilian squad.

So he goes and gets front row seats to Romario's player,

but he doesn't play.

He's on the squad, but he doesn't actually play.

He sees himself like Romario is this sort of almost,

you know, he's the, not father figure,

but he's the, he's the, you know,

the veteran who's Terry or in his prime,

tearing up, he's what Ronaldo wants to be.

Ronaldo sees this, like, up close.

And also sees how Romario behaves

off the field and how he doesn't prepare.

And Romario sort of tries to take Ronaldo

a little bit out of under his wing,

but he also is wary because this is his successor right here.

Yeah, right.

This is the guy that's going to eventually knock him out, you know.

So you, they had that weird relationship

that he's played.

The Romario says to Ronaldo,

I've got one bit of advice.

Get yourself to Europe and join PSV, the team he went to,

and do that because that is the great way.

And PSV, I don't know, especially back then,

were known as this nursery club.

Great way to get into Europe.

They're very technically sound.

They'll train you up.

You get really well developed.

And then you go to your Barcelona's

or your big clubs at the time.

That's what Ronaldo does and does with great success.

He then has a brief stint,

following Romario to Barcelona.

Romario is left by this point.

And then there is a breakdown in contract negotiations

between him and Barcelona and all of some

Inter Milan swoop in and poach Ronaldo

out from underneath them.

So he goes to Inter Milan,

which a lot of people who have seen Ronaldo,

they would be very familiar

in Inter Milan, Jersey, because he really makes his name.

This is some of his best football.

If you're Barcelona and you're watching him dominate

in another country and you go,

that could have been with us.

That could have been with us.

That's it hurt.

And they stuffed it up there.

This is where, if you Google YouTube and his highlights,

if you haven't ever seen him play,

you'll be blown away.

He's also getting very busy off the pitch.

Okay. Good.

Like it.

So his teammate, Cristiano Vieri,

who played with him for a lot of this time,

said he trained the least out of every player.

He said Ronaldo just was bot far.

Yeah.

And he said,

You know what?

Someone has to do the least amount of work.

You can't.

Okay.

There's always someone doing the least.

Yeah, exactly.

He also said it is true that we return from night clubs

at five or six in the morning.

So this was their regular thing.

This is on the night clubs, by the way,

if they shut it a decent time,

then he's not going to be there.

Yeah.

Cristiano Vieri also said,

The problem was that I would sleep for two or three hours

and have to train while he was still lying in bed,

eating pastries and drinking Capuchedo.

Okay. That's not that's not good.

Because he just wouldn't go to training.

Where Cristiano Vieri.

Another problem is that he would show up with his car

in front of my house the same evening

and honk until I give in and go out

with him again to the night clubs.

So he just said that they just honking, honking, honking.

The neighbors would love him.

He's playing for Brazil

and in the lead up to the 98 World Cup

Ronaldo started being paired up front

with Romario.

So that's called the Roro Attack at the time.

So you've now got these two Brazilian strikers

one on the way out, one on the way.

Yeah, one sort of, you know,

one coming up, one coming down.

But at the right point for both of them

to be playing at the same time,

it was a significant attack.

They beat Australian and the 987 Confederation Cup.

They each scored a hat trick.

Wow.

So they're playing together.

Ronaldo said I learned a lot from Romario.

So he did.

And he once said though, even though they were playing together,

there was always a bit of tension between them.

Okay.

He said that Romario is an inspiration to me,

even if Romario was a mother.

Because he forced young players to clean his boots

or bring him coffees.

So Romario had this real alpha dog.

Yeah.

I'm going to, you know, really something.

As the World Cup Sats approach though

and they're leading this attack together,

Ronaldo says Romario tried to throw me off my game.

Has they started to compete?

Okay.

Because it's a potential that they won't both get to start.

Yeah.

So, you know, depending on your opponent.

You're seeing the threat.

Yeah.

And there is going to be one number one striker

in some games that might be both, but in others.

And they're both very much

up close to goal players.

They're not the sort that one of them can sort of be attacking me

or out on the wing,

which you can do with Ronaldo Dino

and you can do with Messi.

You know, Mase Argentinian.

You know, like they're both players.

Incredibly unfair.

They're both incredibly unfair.

So, Romario comes up with a strategy

to get one over Ronaldo.

Okay.

And that is to take Ronaldo out every night.

Try to carry him out.

Love it.

Ronaldo says,

In 1987, I was an important player already.

I'd already won the balloon duel,

which is the best play in the world.

And during the training retreat for the Copa America,

Romario suddenly told me,

get ready.

We go out tonight.

Don't worry.

He had prepared a lot of the climb over the Ho-Tools wall.

And there was a taxi waiting for us on the other side.

See, they don't know how to prepare.

They don't know how to...

Yeah, they'll put it near for it when they don't even do.

We returned at 5am and I was exhausted the following day in training.

I understood that Romario did it on purpose to time me out

and take my spot in the starting 11.

Now, the floor in this strategy is Romario is out with him.

And Romario is 10 years older.

Yeah, yeah.

The other thing that's amazing about this is,

Ronaldo knew this is what Romario was trying to do,

but still wins.

Still win along with it.

Like, he could have gone, no.

Imagine you're the coach too.

You're watching them both be really tired of training on.

I know.

This guy won the best in the world.

So I kind of look at it.

It seems less like this was a strategy

more than two guys would like to pardon me.

Like, you know, they kind of try and pass it off as, oh yeah,

he's trying to get me.

Yeah, he really, like, we're all in rubber arm,

really into twist your arm.

Oh, that's recent.

That really threw me off my game.

In the end, Romario doesn't even play in the 98 World Cup

with injury sideline.

Okay.

Now, this is once again the lack of training.

Yeah, yeah.

This is when you get older.

The soft tissue is injuries.

All this.

You did a quad going over the hotel wall.

Yeah, exactly.

That's the lab climbing.

Ronaldo's own World Cup turns into a disaster.

Everything's going well.

Ronaldo's leading his team to the final.

He scores four goals and sets up three more.

So he is having a blinder of a World Cup.

There's a lot of conspiracy.

There's a lot of cover-up people argue around this.

But where's the 98 World Cup?

France.

Okay.

It's not made public at the time.

But the night before the final against France,

he suffers convulsive fit in his hotel room,

losing consciousness for several minutes.

I remember this.

And mere hours before the match,

Ronaldo's still in hospital and he's taken off the team sheet.

Right.

And yet just before kick off,

he manages to get to the stadium

and convince everyone he's all right.

And he's restored to the lineup.

So everyone's like, okay, who's out now?

He's in and there's all this secrecy.

What's going on with Ronaldo?

I mean, that is huge for a World Cup final.

Best player out there.

Yeah.

Eyes of the world.

Yeah, absolutely on it.

You know, he plays,

but yeah, it turns out to be a terrible move.

He has a terrible game.

The two team loses three, Neil.

Yep.

Wow.

That's a flogging.

Now, the Brazilian team, Dr. Jose Luez-Laronco,

later said he believed it was a seizure

brought on by a nervous breakdown.

Oh, okay.

That basically had a massive panic attack.

Yeah, right.

That's the Brazilian team, Dr. said.

In Brazil,

a three-neil loss,

but also what happened with Ronaldo being out,

being in,

then playing and playing so poorly,

should he even be named?

Should they played someone else or this sort of stuff?

Suppose that doctor's still alive, but...

Oh, I know.

They decide to hold congressional hearings.

Good.

Good.

Take it to the top.

Take it to the real commission.

It is literally like we're having congressional hearings

to examine the incident.

The senators focused on whether the sponsor of the Brazilian team, Nike,

had pressured Ronaldo to play in the final,

which everyone involved denies,

and there's no supporting evidence that's ever found of this.

But that big was a huge story at the time.

Right.

That Ronaldo was not well enough to play,

and then suddenly,

you have Nike come in and say,

no, this is like...

Yeah, it doesn't matter.

And there's no evidence that Nike denies it.

Everyone denies it.

So there's, but it was a big story.

Okay.

But still,

Ronaldo after, you know,

whether he suffered a paying attack

or whether this was a seizure or some sort

or whatever,

and I don't think we'll ever really know,

Ronaldo is then having to front

a congressional hearing,

and he said it's the most humiliating moment of his life.

And his empowerment is being grilled,

and he said,

I have to sit there for hours,

well, the politicians

start grilling him about tactics.

So not just about his health and all.

So he said, I'm being asked,

who should be marking Zadeen's today

during corner kiss

at a congressional hearing in the Brazilian parliament?

And a game that's already played.

Yeah.

Ronaldo said,

holy shit, it was unbelievable.

So it's just one of the

strange things of all time.

Now, when we come back next week,

we're going to kick off

with really the redemption arc

for Ronaldo,

2002 World Cup.

Okay.

And on top of that,

we are going to get into

Ronaldinho, who's

hardy and lifestyle

sort of encapsulates everything

that has come before.

I like it.

Well, they've set the tone as a striker,

what you need to do.

So I'm glad it continues on.

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