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Breaking now, R&B singer David, whose real name is David Anthony Burke has been arrested

in connection with the murder of 15 year old Celeste Rivas Hernandez. He goes from viral charts to

a murder investigation. So the question is, what changed after all these months and also what took

so long? Welcome to the global phenomenon, surviving the survivor, where we bring you the best

guests in all of true crime. Here's your host, Emmy award winning journalist Joel Walton.

What's up, STS Nation? Welcome to the global phenomenon that is surviving the survivor and courtroom

confidential. The first time I believe that we have dual stream with two hosts, not one, but you get

doubled for your money with Josh Ritter, famed LA criminal defense attorney. He is also a former

LA prosecutor of the year and the host as you just heard of courtroom confidential either channel.

You go to either one, you can subscribe to both. Each one is streaming breaking news about

the R&B singer David, who was literally arrested moments ago. At least the news broke just

moments ago. Obviously this is about Celeste Rivas Hernandez. A 14 year old girl, 15 at the time,

her body was discovered in the front of a Tesla in the Hollywood Hills. Of course, David,

this rising music star who has a song called Romantic Homicide at the center of it all.

And now he is under arrest, charged, being held without bond in the murder, apparently,

of Celeste Rivas Hernandez. Josh Ritter, welcome to your own show. I love the fact that we're

dual streaming here. And your reaction, I guess my question to you, because you know,

a hell of a lot more than me. Why now? Yeah, well, this is the first time we've ever tried this.

So bear with us, everybody. But I will tell you, you know how you get a zillion. At least I do news

alerts on your phone constantly. I'm being told what's happening in the war. I'm being told a bunch

of news I don't really care about sports news, everything else. I get this alert minutes ago

saying David just got arrested. And I about dropped the phone. And literally as I'm texting

my wife Tiffany to tell her and send her this link, I get a text from you saying, hey, join me.

We're going to go live on this thing right away. And so that's how quickly this is all transpired.

But you're absolutely right. This case is not, this was not a quick turnaround as far as

investing from investigation, her disappearance to her discovery to the time now that we're having

a rest. This was a very deliberate. And it actually went through the process of a grand jury.

And just to get to the into the weeds a little bit. So everybody understands what took place.

He was under an investigative grand jury. There are there. You can convene a grand jury both to

indict someone or just simply to put people on the record in a closed door environment secretly

to gather information. And that's what they were doing with this grand jury being headed up by

a DA by the name of Beth Silverman in Los Angeles. She's very, very good, very experienced DA.

They had been putting people on the record. And remember, we were getting this trickling of

information about his family members. We're trying to fight some of these subpoenas. We heard

some people who had been brought in. All of that was just to put these people on the record

essentially to get them under sworn testimony to see what they actually had to put the to

can tell them to speak under subpoena. Now that they've collected all of that, they didn't ask

the grand jury. This is just kind of interesting. They didn't ask the grand jury to indict him.

They then took that information and went around about submitting it to the DA's office. And

apparently they did that on Monday. The DA's office decided that there was probably cause

issued a complaint based upon a warrant. So they filed charges which gave them a warrant power

to now go out and arrest him, which they did earlier today. Yeah. By the way, Josh Reader,

I'm such a seasoned news veteran coming up in my 30th year that I forgot to introduce our one

and only guests that we have right now. My bad. Here is Detective Phil Ramos, three time lost

Vegas officer of the year, 15 year plus career in homicide, undercover narcotics before that. He

is the godfather of true crime. Phil Ramos, let me go to you and Josh and I will probably pepper

with pepper you with some questions here. But the timeline here is incredibly important. Let's

just go back to that to set the stage and then we'll ask why and arrest tonight. What are they

doing with him tonight? All those sorts of questions. But we have to go back to the spring of

2024. And let me just add, by the way, I reached out to Steve Fisher, who's a private investigator

for the mansion owner, David's rented mansion owner and Steve Fisher is on a plane till about

midnight Pacific time. Lauren Conlin may or may not come on. The two of them have really been

at the forefront of this story. So I'm hoping Lauren comes on. But the spring of 2024, so we're

going back two years from where we are today, essentially, 14 year old Celeste Rivas Hernandez is

reported missing. Back in May of 2024, the last known sightings, Phil Ramos of Celeste, the

timeline begins to narrow and go cold. Then she's missing. But on September 8th of 2025,

a Tesla is discovered abandoned in the Hollywood Hills. And that vehicle is registered to none other

than David, the R&B singer David Anthony Burke. The car is towed to an impound lot. No one picks up

any scent. No one knows shortly after the tow on September 8th, they open the frunk after

detecting a strong odor. And sadly, Celeste Rivas Hernandez's remains are found. So Phil Ramos,

that's September of 2025. And we are now in April of 2026. What took so long, do you think?

Well, there could be a number of things. And we won't know for sure until that. The affidavit

has released. If it wasn't, if it's not sealed by the judge, it could be DNA processing. It could

be corroborating witness information. It could be gathering more DNA samples to either include or

eliminate people. It's hard to say on a case like this when everything is literally just happening

right now. So it's a matter of once that paperwork gets filed and Josh can speak to that better

night, how long is it going to take for that information to be released to the public so that

a lot of those questions will be answered. Why what took the cop so long to get to this point?

And is this the point where they've got enough to go to trial? Or are they still going to get more

ducks in a row before they're ready to take it to a jury? Ever dealt with something like this where

they didn't use the grand jury to ask for an indictment, but they just use this simply for

investigation? And why might they do that? Yeah, it's because the grand jury is so compelling.

You can get hostile witnesses in there before, you know, they are,

you know, like in a preliminary hearing, you won't get a lot of cooperation, but in an investigative

grand jury, it speeds everything up. And there's that amount of confidentiality that nothing is

released by the investigative grand jury. So when you hear grand jury involve an investigation,

that means that they are on to something big and they want to get it done as soon as they can,

because they may be under a time crunch, you know, their witnesses may be sick or dying or

they're trying to find them. It's a hurry up. Let's go two-minute offense and let's get ready.

So yeah, and that being of grand juries are very, very helpful, but once your case is and,

you know, you're familiar with a mark of notice, you know, subject of the grand jury is notified.

Hey, we're going to seek an indictment if you want to come down and tell us your side of the story,

but once that happens, once that wheel starts turning, it's coming, baby. It's coming.

Hey, Josh Ritter, let me hop in. Thank you for that. You got a wealth of experience here.

Phil Ramos, I mean, 15 plus years in homicide and 30 plus in law enforcement, and you've got

Ritter. But Josh, apparently to you, he is now being held without bail. And this is from what

the reporting is, a murder charge, you know, or at least in connection with the murder. Just

what, I mean, obviously without, being held without bail is incredibly serious. I mean,

do we believe or think at this point that he is actually being charged with murder or,

you know, it's just, you got to delineate here. Some reporting has said in connection with the

murder, what are we to make of that? Josh, like, as opposed, you know, you're talking to me?

Yeah, no to you. I'm so sorry. I'm talking to you. Yeah.

Hell without bail and their connection with the murder or the murder. Let me clarify too,

because I actually misspoke because the way I had originally read the article, I'm now reading,

this is a tweet via acts from LAPD. They're saying that they arrested him today. This is the,

I'm going to read the exact quote and I'm sure we can find it later. But it says LAPD news,

detectives from Los Angeles police department, robbery homicide division, which is their

most elite division, RHD, have arrested David Burke, a 21 year old resident of Los Angeles for

the murder of Celeste Revis. Burke is being held without bail. So they've done that. He hasn't been

been before a judge. They're allowed to do that in certain circumstances, hold you without bail

at the jail before you ever go before anybody. This case, they go on to say the case will be presented

to the district attorney's office on Monday for filing consideration. So I thought they had submitted

it to the DA, got a warrant from the DA. This is the police have taken it upon themselves to go out

and arrest him. But I will tell you this, they have been working with the prosecutor's office for

the last what two years now that we're talking about or am I overdoing it? It seems like about

that long. Since September of 2025, April, she was last seen. So, you know, going close to a year,

you know, we're getting close to it. They've been working hand in hand with the prosecutor's office.

This isn't like something like the DA's office is going to turn this down on Monday. It's just a

matter of putting him in front of a judge on Monday. We're probably going to see him arrayed

on Monday. Yeah, there is apparently a court date scheduled from Monday today for references.

Thursday, April 16th, that would take us out to April 20th. Obviously, STS will cover that.

There are not typically cameras in the LA courtroom, but we will cover that.

Phil Ramos to you for people who are not Joshua or like myself. I mean, you've got to have

probable calls obviously to make the arrest. But where did detectives have to, where did

the homicide detectives have to get to from September of 2025 to today? Like, what did they have to

come up with in terms of tangible evidence to actually execute this arrest tonight?

Yeah, that's where the key phrase of what Josh just spoke to in the DA's office is working hand

in hand with the investigators. That means that the investigators are telling the DA, all right,

we've got ABC. How much more do we need? The DA is going to say, well, you need DE and F,

and then down the road. So they're bouncing everything off of the DA. In the DA said,

we're going to use a grandeur to get some of this evidence in processed. And it's a hand-in-hand

thing, like Joshua's saying, because they need that guidance. It's not a clear cut case of,

there's the body, there's the gun, and he's admitting to it. So it takes a long time to put a lot

of circumstances together, but you can bet that there's going to be a whole lot of information come

forward once his attorney gets involved in this and starts asking for discovery to see what the

cops have and what the DA has. Yeah, I mean, Josh Ritter to you, let's start with this. I mean,

what do you make of the strength of the case? Obviously, Phil Ramos said that the DA, who is Nathan

Hockman in LA in a very competent DA, Phil just said, you know, you have ABC and he's going to

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Gosh, Ritter.

I don't think that they would make this high profile of a move.

In a case that everybody knows they're watching and not feel like it's rock solid.

But I'll be honest with you and I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this.

To me, this does not look like a break in a case that came through some sort of forensics,

some piece of evidence that they may have found. They've had a considerable period of time.

If they were going to break this through DNA or forensics or the medical examiner or whatever

have you, they would have had that before now. To me, this seems like somebody said something.

In the course of this grand jury, they put the pressure on someone. Someone realized it was them

or it was going to either be the people of the state of California versus David and a

couple of co-defendants or versus David alone and they decided they knew what side of that

versus they wanted to be on and somebody gave up something during that grand jury and that's

what broke this whole thing. What do you think? Josh, let me just hop in for a quick second,

because there's this other character, Neo. Josh, you probably know more about him than I,

but he was arrested out of state. I forget which state he was in, but he was one of David's closest

friends and confidants. I mean, is the question that you were just posing to fill Ramos? Is it possible

that this guy, Neo, was being pressured by law enforcement and then obviously the prosecution

and the DA and they leaned on him so hard that he basically squealed and gave them information?

I mean, Neo, Neo sounds like he has some valuable information whether or not he was involved

in the cover-up. I don't think this was something David could have done on his own,

the disposing of a body in this type of way and the getting rid of the car and everything else

without anybody else, at least other people at least being aware of it or asking, hey,

where the heck has Celeste been by the way? There's people who definitely have information whether

or not they participated in either her death or the cover-up, we're going to find out. But this guy,

Neo, just to be clear on that, he was arrested because he failed to show up for the subpoena.

He failed to show up to the grand jury subpoena. He just kind of, he was served with the subpoena,

but said, screw it, I'm not showing up. And to Phil's point earlier, that's why these things

are so powerful. You can lock somebody up literally if they don't show up to testify,

whereas you can't do that if you're just cops out saying, hey, can I ask a few questions?

That's why these grand juries are so powerful. But again, Phil, what do you think about the

break in this, just kind of trying to read the tea leaves? Yeah, yeah, you're exactly right. That's

just what happened. A key witness with the sexual information, maybe got himself in trouble.

And now he said, hey, all right, I'll talk to you guys now where the cops came up with something

to put enough pressure on him to say, okay, you can either be a witness or you can be a suspect.

It's up to you. You decide because we could go either way with it.

So, yeah, you're right, the physical evidence has been there. And it's not likely that they were

still waiting to tie up some minor loose ends on the physical circumstantial evidence, but somebody

talked. And whatever the reason it was that they talked, the grand jury was the one who just kept

pushing them, pushed them closer to the edge of the cliff and said, okay, you either turn around and

come back or we'll see you later. Nima Rahmani has entered L.A. attorney to the stars. Actually,

he usually goes up against the stars. He is here at defense attorney from Los Angeles as his

Josh Ritter is a criminal defense attorney, but Nima, this is huge news that's been simmering

for months on end. What was your reaction to the arrest here? Yeah, Joel, thanks for having me

and great to be on Josh Phil. I mean, look, my reaction is better late than ever. You know, I live

and work in L.A. and I think as much as I respect law enforcement, everyone's been saying, what is

taking so long? You have this young girl who's been missing for well over a year. Her body was

found more than six months ago. You know, if it's not David, who is it? Who's responsible for this?

And there's been a lot of criticism of LAPD. And of course, look, you want him to get it right.

But when you have search warrants that are executed, you know, back in September, you got the body

found on the trunk of this Tesla more than six months ago. You have the autopsy reports that,

you know, prosecutors want to keep under wraps. They don't want to have them produce publicly

pursuant to public records act requests. The toxicology, they're apparently waiting on. I mean,

again, I think I've been critical. I think local media here in L.A. have been critical. I think

Josh, I don't know if you agree or not, but I think there's really a sense of relief, especially

for Celeste Rivas' family. Can't imagine what they've been going through waiting so long,

months for answers, and hopefully we'll get them when David is finally around next week.

Yeah. If I could jump in, I think you're absolutely right in part of that and tell me what you

think, Neema, is that there was a dead girl dismembered in the back of a vehicle and no arrests

were being made. And then we find out that vehicle is connected to this singer, and he's walking

around free. In fact, for a short period of time, he was continuing on with his tour. It was like

how much more do we need before we feel the crime has been committed here? But, you know, Neema,

as I'm sure you know, it's a former prosecutor, and Phil, as you know, you've got to get these

things right. And I think that's what they were doing, but it was hard to translate that to the

public when you've got a dead body and a cut-up girl and the car belongs to the guy, and it's like

everything about this seems like it might be an easy enough case to file. Yeah. That's what we were

talking about just a few minutes ago. It was that one last little piece of the puzzle, and who knows

who had that piece, but they finally gave it up because just by looking at it, they were 90%

there. So all they needed was that last little thing. You know, that's why when we go into these

extended cases, we are always asking people just try and remember one thing, or see if it's

something you recognize. The smallest little incident could wrap up a case that they've been

waiting to wrap up for a long time. I mean, we saw that up in Idaho. Possibly we'll see that

with Natalie's. We don't know. We just don't know because of the whole back that you have to

maintain to keep the integrity of that investigation because once we get to this point, once the cats

out of the bag, you've got to get ready, man. You've got to make sure all those

teas are crossed and you're ready to go because you're going to be on the clock now that he's been

taking in the custody. Yeah. Jack's girl said, did he turn himself in or did they go arrest him

from the sounds of the reporting? It's that they went and arrested him. And I usually don't beg

and grovel, but therapists, you know, you just subbed or you're a member of Josh's channel.

Please, I need you in my life. A therapist, you know, I don't need a lawyer, you know,

shout out to lawyer, you know, but I do need the therapist, you know, so please do me a personal

favor and sub to my channel. But Nima, Phil and Josh, who are obviously much smarter legal

minds than myself, they think I were talking about that someone had a spill the beans, someone

either got leaned on, someone said something, someone talked, you agree with that?

Yeah. So I think the only answer as to why this took so long is the fact that we have this

investigative grand jury. And I mean, Josh was at the DA's office in LA and he'll tell you like,

normally they don't use the grand jury system in state court here in California, right? They

proceed by complaint, they proceed by preliminary hearing, right? Grand jury states on the East Coast

federal system, we use it on the time, but the grand jury has two purposes. One is to charge,

which isn't necessarily happening in this case, but the second is to investigate. They got

subpoena power. They can subpoena people, witnesses and documents evidence. And we know that at

least one member of David's inner circle didn't want to cooperate, right? And didn't want to

testify before that grand jury. And he had to be arrested out of state. So again, I think the DA's

office, they were using this grand jury to lean on the other folks that were around David,

get them to flip, get them to cooperate, and a minimum lock them in under penalty

of perjury before that grand jury. So they don't go sideways at trial. And again, I'm not saying

he was part of a criminal organization, but this is typical when you're dealing with the gangs,

drug cartels, the mob, right? You want to get these lesser individuals because they might be on the

hook as co-conspirators, accomplices, accessories before, after the fact, they have criminal exposure.

And what you want to do is lean on them, flip them, get their testimony. So when you go to trial,

and the other issue here in California is, I mean, obviously, we know, Josh, and there's no death

penalty, right? There's been an execution in California 20 years. So this is the type of case that

ends up going all the way to trial because if you're the DA's office, if you're Nathan Hawthman,

you're not offering any type of discount on this case, right? I mean, this is a young girl who's

dead in the front of a vehicle. You can't. This is a life case. It's a first degree special

circumstances. Even if it's a second degree, you're asking for life in this type of case.

And obviously, if you're the defense, you have no reason to take a life, deal. You might as well

just push the case all the way to trial. So if you're a prosecutor, in any case, you got to prepare

it like it's going to go to trial. But this is the type of case that very likely is going to go to

trial, given that there's no deal to be had. Any of a defendant with significant financial means

who's already lawyer it up, and that's pretty good defense counsel. Yeah, she has, he has

lawyered up. I just saw that his lawyer is Blair Burke. I don't know if you're familiar with her,

but she's a very prominent kind of high profile attorney here in Los Angeles. You know,

she's handled Johnny Depp, Marilyn Manson, Harvey Weinstein, Army Hammer. She kind of is in that

mix of that small circle of attorneys that their name is run about with cases like this.

But she had to have been, I mean, Nima, she had to have been retained way before any of this.

This wasn't like a hire this, this afternoon. No, no question. And Burke has given some statements

as well last year related to this case. And look, she's very well-known, very well respected,

and you know, the conventional wisdom in these types of cases, when you have a female victim,

they do like to hire a female defense attorney, not to say that she's not qualified, right?

But there's some thought that's put into this, right? It can be, you know,

swallow, right? Hired a female defense lawyer. Whenever you have a sexual assault case,

you have a female victim, you really want at least one female lawyer on your defense team,

just like Sean did he come. So, may just be her, but maybe a team that's being put together

right now to defend this type of case. And she's very good, her partner, Andrew Brettler,

also on the civil side handles a lot of these types of cases that wouldn't be surprised if we

end up seeing a civil lawsuit by Celeste Rivas's family against David. Of course, that will trail

the criminal case that will be put on hold, but this is just the beginning of David's very

serious legal problems. Yeah, Abby Croshing, who knows a lot about a lot, letting us know that

he hired Burke in October of 2025. Phil Ramos, he lowered, lowered up in the beginning. I don't

think he ever spoke to robbery homicide. My question to you, we see, you know, and hear about

no body cases all the time, but here you have a case without a confirmed cause of death.

What kind of problems does that raise for the prosecution here? Well, it depends on what

evidence they were able to gather from the victims' remains. Were there signs of trauma?

Obviously, a person doesn't cut themselves into little bits and pieces. So

the cause in manner, well, it's not 100% the cause of death is going to be,

could be up in the air, but the manner's going to be homicide anyway. So just going back a little

bit, a key phrase that Neiman just mentioned was witness testimony in the grand jury versus a

preliminary hearing. And this is one of the reasons why the grand jury was used as an investigative

tool because the person could go in there and give their testimony, and you know that their

life is at risk for giving that testimony. If they get whacked, that testimony that they give

to the grand jury is admissible later on down the road. It can be used because that's part of the

investigative process of the grand jury. In some jurisdictions, a person goes in, gives testimony,

a preliminary hearing, walks out, he gets whacked, that's the end of it. Whatever he said,

it kings X. So that's one of the things that are a huge tool for law enforcement.

And like I said, once a grand jury's sick and sick teeth end to it, it's a, you know, the clock's

ticking. It's going to be pretty interesting to see what that last nail in the coffin was

that got him to this point. Phil, can I ask you a question? Do you go back to kind of the

conversation we were having earlier about what they might have been looking for, what might have

broken the case? Remember early on the police made this kind of vague statement where they said

were investigating this for any crimes beyond the disposal of her body. And they almost made it

sound like that might be the only crime they're left with because they have not said certainly that

there was some sort of clear evidence of how she was killed. In other words, we never heard from

a medical examiner that she was shot or that she was stabbed or that her throat was slit or anything

like that. We know that her body was mutilated, but we don't know exactly what they were labeling

as her cause of death. Could it be if you're dealing with something like toxicology comes back

for some sort of drug, but that's a drug that people easily overdose on that you're still dealing

with the difficulties of calling this a murder. Right. Right. That's a great point that you're

making because a lot of times, sometimes it's actually true and accurate, but many times you're at a

party and this girl was having fun and everybody was getting high and getting loaded, she overdosed,

we panic, we didn't know what to do. So we stuffed her under the sofa, that kind of thing. And her

cause of death, while it wasn't a felony or a criminal in nature, it was ex-demo overdose.

The subsequent actions of people involved by concealing her body and you know,

that sort of thing is all going to come into play, but yeah, you're spot on, man. You can bet

that that's going to come up on his part and say, look, yeah, this is what happened. She overdosed,

we panic, we didn't know what to do. And nobody killed herself because she took too much cocaine

or fentanyl or something like that. That's usually what you find in a case like this,

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Yeah. Nima, let me go to you. We're talking about maybe someone spoke and leaned on somebody

and someone squealed. What about the Tesla aspect of this case? It's not just any car. It's been

months. You know that they had to be looking at all the digital forensics. Maybe they had a

subpoena stuff related to the Tesla. Is it possible that there's something with the Tesla

that helped break this case wide open? No question, right? I mean, I got a Tesla and every single

thing is recorded. I mean, I've been involved in accidents. My wife is there's four cameras.

It might not be a triggering event, right? So it's constantly recording. If you're involved in

an accident, that footage is going to be there. But at a minimum, every time that funk is open,

if people don't know a Tesla, there's a, because there's the engine is different. There's a space

in the front of the vehicle. That's a trunk. It's called the front. But it's not that big.

You know, obviously Celeste Rivas is small. I think she was less than a hundred pounds. But

it's not easy to fit a body in there. But at a minimum, right? Who was driving the vehicle? Was it

open with the Bluetooth? Was it open with the Tesla keys? One of the big issues is going to be

access, right? I think there were some reports that a lot of people had access to this vehicle.

So who had access? Who unlocked it? Who popped that frunk? That's all going to be relevant.

Now, of course, the smoking gun would be if any video footage was caught on that Tesla.

It was involved in some sort of minor accident, but I'm not sure it's related to Celeste's body

being put in there. It was obviously impounded because it was parked there for quite some time.

So let's see if there's any video footage. And of course, we know that that home, by the way,

also has video footage because the homeowner who rented it to David said that there's videos of

videos at my home. And I gave law enforcement access. So I expect there to be a treasure trove

of evidence in this case, digital evidence, the Tesla, the home. But we know, I remember a little

bit, all of these younger kids, they only communicate using their phones and on social media. So

expect those phones, David's phone, Celeste's phone, the phones of the individuals who are also at

that house to have a lot of evidence that's going to be incriminating. It's going to point the

finger at David and others. Let me ask you a question about the Tesla's because I'm not familiar

with Tesla's very much. I know that many of them have motion sensing cameras if you get too close

to it or if you put your hand on the windshield, it's going to record you doing that. Is that

a standard feature on Tesla's or is that an option? So it's a standard feature called

sentry mode. So you can turn it on, mine's on, you know, and I think the default maybe that it is

on as long as you, you know, check some sort of box. But yeah, anyone gets near my Tesla. It's

almost like a ring camera or any kind of verbal camera, right? You go near it to text motion,

it records and it saves that recording. Now, obviously, I don't know if David was

sophisticated enough to go in and delete the recordings, but absolutely the first thing law enforcement

should have done is issue a subpoena to Tesla because I'm telling you, I've gotten the EDR data

in these accidents. I've handled car accident cases in lonely Tesla and you won't believe

how much video evidence there is. So it could be in that sentry mode filled like you said. And if

it's captured, it will show David, you know, Josh, Joel, you feel anyone coming up to that vehicle,

it will be captured if that mode is turned on. Yeah. And Josh, Josh Ritter, to you, I mean,

there is potentially, and this is difficult and trigger warning for everybody, there is

potentially a sexual component to this crime too. He's been accused of having either forced sex

I think that would be the only option because she was literally a child.

How does that factor into the murder charge here?

Yeah, that's interesting too. If they see, if somebody was able to, like I said,

flip and tell them what took place. And this was something where

her death, and again, I'm warning everyone, I'm not trying to be graphic, but if her death

took place during the course of an assault on her, and like you pointed out, given her age,

any any sexual contact with her would have been considered an assault. There's arguments to be

made about what we call the felony murder rule and that the idea that you immediately bump this

up to a first degree murder type situation, even if the defendant might be able to make claims about

you know, it was an accident, it was an overdose, I didn't mean to, I never meant to, I never

intended to harm her. Well, if you were, you know, flying her with drugs to facilitate an assault,

and in the course of that assault, she ends up losing her life. Now we're looking at first

degree murder and we're not all that concerned about premeditation and malice of forethought.

Along those lines, because we know so little Nima, they've arrested him,

the police did, this has not come before a judge yet. He's on in no bail hold right now,

but one of the first things they're going to want to discuss, his attorneys, Blair Burke,

on Monday is bail. And tell us what we could learn when they have a bail hearing, because that

isn't sometimes a short hearing, that could be rather extensive. Yeah, it can be. So we know,

and at least in LA, these Thursday arrests, because usually it's about 48 hours and

resulting in a Monday initial appearance, actually the worst time to be arrested, if you are a

criminal, at least here in LA. So bail, right, it is appropriate if you're not a risk of flight or

danger to the community. So obviously, the prosecution is going to argue here is someone who's

dangerous, right? And of course, this sexual component, I mean, forget it. I mean, it's just game

over, right? But obviously, being charged with murder is one of the most serious charges. And we'll

see what it is. Is it first degree? Is it special circumstance? Is the second degree? I mean,

that's all going to be made public on Monday, but fully expect the district attorney's office

to argue for no bail. And then the last thing you look here, someone with significant financial

means, I don't know what his ties to the community are. Obviously, that's going to be, I think,

a less persuasive factor, if he's someone who's spent most of his life here in Southern California.

But there's no question on Monday, if there's not that initial bail discussion, it will be set for

a full bail hearing, because criminal defense attorneys, the last thing they want and the last

thing their clients want, or to be in custody, pending trial. It's much more difficult to prepare

your defense. When every time you got to go see your client, you got to go into LA County

to meet with your client. It's certainly not ideal. So expect to see that bail issue litigated

very aggressively. Yeah, here's a law and crime post. I don't think this is four weeks ago,

but it is Neo talking and saying that, you know, he spoke out on social media. His quote is,

thankfully, I am legally fine in every way. And boy, do I got all my receipts for things?

Ha, ha, ha, ha. Josh Ritter, let me go to you on that. Is it becoming more obvious that maybe

this is a guy they leaned on to get information about David. And he had the receipts to back it up.

Yes, all of these guys sound slimy.

You know, the people surrounding him, anybody who's keeping their mouth shut, not cooperating fully

with police, trying to fight subpoenas for the grand jury. When you've got a dead girl,

that to me, you can see what category of individual I'm going to place them in. And so, yeah,

I think a lot of these guys may have thought, you know, they, they, we've all seen this.

Phil is seen it, Neema seen it. They all convinced themselves that somehow they're going to get

get away with this if they all keep their mouth shut. It's this idea of like, oh, let's all just

keep quiet. Don't say nothing. And the cops won't have nothing on us. And then they begin to

realize that no, that's not in fact true. And in fact, we are going to charge you with something.

And you're going to go to prison. And guess what? You might go to prison. And your buddy who

actually did it might not because you're not willing to cooperate in this whole thing. And that

starts to make all these tough guys crumble really quickly. And all of a sudden, they start saying,

okay, I'd like to, I'd like to talk. I'd like to speak to an attorney. I'd like to get immunity.

I'd like to get a deal. That's, that's to me how this whole thing sniffs out. Joe, can I read?

I just saw that people magazine gave a statement from the LA district attorney's office.

They're saying the case is expected to be presented to the major crimes division at which point

prosecutors will review the facts and evidence to determine whether there is evidence sufficient

evidence to file a charge. At this time, additional information is not available. We will share

an update on Monday once a filing decision has been made. I'm just going to say right now,

Beth Silverman, we all know her from the Monica Semintelli case. Most recently,

she's in the major crimes division. She's the person who ran the grand jury on this whole thing.

The major grams division is well aware of this. Like this is all a little bit of PR here from

the DA's office. But this thing is absolutely getting filed on Monday without a doubt.

There you heard it from Josh Ritter. Phil Ramos, let me go to you here. As per usual,

people are very impatient and there was a lot of heat on LA robbery homicide. First,

just take us inside. I mean, on a night like this and you've been there where there's an

arrest made in a very high profile case, what is the atmosphere like inside the police department

in that division? You're still lacing up your shoes and getting ready for the kickoff.

You know, it's too soon to be packed in yourself on the back. There still could be some

loose ends that need to be tied up, but there's going to be a couple of high fives here and there

maybe an extra box of donuts, but you know, you know, but it's a very, very positive feel

and you're going to be cautiously optimistic because you know that road ahead is going to be very

bumpy, man. You know that some skilled defense attorneys get involved in this and they can make

you look like a fool if you're not ready to rock and roll and have everything neatly packaged so

that there isn't very many places for them to go. See how we can you Uber eat some Boston creams

right now from Duncan immediately? Please. And then Phil, let me just follow that up and then

I'll hand it back off to Ritter here and we are a dual streaming tonight, which I love on a night

of big breaking news. If you're just joining us, R&B singer David wasn't was arrested in connection

with they're saying the murder of Celeste Rivas Hernandez. So this was a long time coming,

our body first discovered back in September of 2025, but Phil, tell us it appears that he did not

turn himself in. It could be wrong about that because the reporting is early still, but if they

went out to arrest them, do they go out there with a SWAT type unit because it's a homicide arrest

and once they bring them back to booking, just tell us about his night tonight. What is a head for him?

The jail's going to be rocking and rolling, man. Everybody's going to be pounding on the doors

and windows and screaming and stuff like that, but it all depends on the intel information that they

have where he's at or is he with a bunch of friends? Is there a tendency for any violent activity

from his past or the friends that are with him? If it's a high risk dynamic situation,

then yeah, SWAT would have taken care of the entry and the arrest. That being said, once he gets

to the jail, my guess is the jail's a little city in and of itself. So they're going to put him in

PC and protective custody so that nobody can get to him because there's guys in there that

will never going to see the light of day again. They just want some fame before they go out and

if they have a chance to go smack a well-known artist that would give them some more street cred

as if they don't need it anymore. But we use the term the Pucker Factor and his Pucker Factor

is going to be pretty high. Josh Ritter, not because you've been in custody, but you've definitely

been inside that jail. Do you agree with Phil Ramos? They're going to be banging on those

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that nothing can happen to him and they've got to make sure of that. So do they stick them in

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Yeah, absolutely. One thing inmates don't like is a guy who's getting a lot of attention.

They've been sitting there kind of, they feel that they're wallowing away and everybody's

forgotten about them and then all of a sudden this guy comes in and he's getting all this attention.

But what they hate even more than that is people who commit crimes against women and children.

And that is just that it doesn't matter who you are. If they find out, if they are able to pull

your jacket and figure out what you're arrested for and that involves a child or a female,

you are definitely the best feel set. The picker, the poker factor is very high at that point.

If I could, I wanted to talk to Nima because you brought up such a great point about the

phones and how much they can, we can learn from phones and how much people of David's age group

are communicating on phones. Do you think that may have caused some of all of this delays

securing those warrants because those warrants, if you could help us understand,

you are not the easiest to get. You have to kind of go an extra step in California to secure

those types of warrants. Yeah, it's not easy. Obviously, anytime you're trying to get

content or data, right, I'm talking not like things like subscriber information, things that

you know, if you want to get a warrant in California, it's not easy. No question.

Big tech too, they really do everything they can to protect their customers and there's

whole law enforcement divisions that deal with this. So it can take some time.

But obviously, if you got cooperators, certainly things that we've talked about in so many

other cases, right, the cell side evidence. Obviously, you want to get information from the phone

itself, text messages, DMs, you know, you're going to send the warrants to basically all the big

social media companies, right? It's going to be the carrier itself, you're going to want Google,

you're going to want Apple, you're going to want Snap, especially this kids all communicate on Snap.

But anything else, right, TikTok, Meta. So it can take some time and you can't get pushback from

these companies. But again, I just, the only thing that really makes sense, and you talked about

Silverman, you know, running this grand jury. And I think one really important point you made is,

I don't think I respect Nathan Hawkeman, the DA's office. I don't believe for a second that a

charging decision has not already been made. And it's not, it's not LAPD that's directing this now.

This is the LA County DA's office. They're calling the shots, right? They're saying we got the

probable cause. We got enough to push this across the finish line. We can prove our case beyond

a reasonable amount. Go pick, David up. This is not a reactive case. You know, Josh, you probably

have thousands of them. A file ends up on your desk. Could be good case. Could be a bad case. You're

basically playing with the hand that you're dealt. This case has been directed by the district

attorney's office. They are making the decisions. They decided to arrest David today. They told LAPD

to pick him up. That's what happened. It's not the other way around, which is more typical,

whether reacting to a crime that's been committed. Yeah. Josh, let me ask you a question.

And Nima can rip off of it. But I mean, the fact that this body, and again, we're talking about a

14 year old girl is found in the front. Does that, you know, does that anti up the sort of the stream,

the consciousness of guilt argument here that they there was an intent to hide the body.

They didn't want anyone to find out. And they somehow get it into the front of this Tesla.

100% and that's that's for the most part incredibly powerful evidence, right? I think I think

consciousness of guilt evidence is sometimes your most powerful evidence to a jury because

they all say, I wouldn't behave this way if I were an innocent person. But again, I go back to in

this case, there's this kind of built in defense that I can just see it looming on the horizon

that they're going to say, listen, oh, dude, we panicked. We didn't know what to do. We're guilty

of a lot of horrible stuff, but what we're not guilty of is taking that girl's life,

which very specifically he has been arrested for today.

We are like the Brady bunch. We have multiplied Lauren Conlin. I told her we need the street cred

for her coming on. She only can spare about 5, 10 minutes. For those who do not know,

Lauren is an intrepid investigative reporter. She's been writing about this nonstop for LA

Mag. Lauren Conlin, it always happens on a night when, you know, you've got the kids at home and

you're not expecting it. And that's what happened tonight. But thank you for being here. Your reaction

to this arrest. Of course. Well, I actually just got off the phone with the LA county jail. I was,

you know, trying to search here because initially I got worded the arrest from from my bosses.

And then I went to the TMZ article, which actually said that he was arrested on Tuesday,

which didn't make any sense to me. I think they might be incorrect. I'm not sure here,

but I'm guessing because the jail told me that he was literally just arrested on suspicion of

murder and that he should be booked in the next five hours or so. So I will await that information.

I have reached out to his attorney Blair Burke for a comment, his reported attorney. I confirmed

this month ago. I'm assuming he still has the same attorney, but you never know. And look,

I think this is a long time coming. I am curious as to what changed here because there are reports

that this arrest was based on probable cause and not because of a grand jury. I don't know if you

guys cover that yet. But yeah, I'm just, I'm trying to dig. I mean, I'm happy. I'm thrilled.

This has been seven months in the making. Yeah, I mean, Logan Clark, if you don't mind,

just jump in there. You just heard Lauren say that it is likely the arrest was made because of

probable cause and not because of something that came out of the grand jury. Your thoughts on

that aspect to this. Well, you're muted. We got to unmute you there. Stand by.

Hey, about that. Go ahead, Logan. You got it. Yep. Um, this, uh, this again is the

about the body and the car and the trunk. Correct. Right. Um, and if you have that much evidence,

you have to arrest somebody. I mean, you've got to even if you really, a lot of times they'll

arrest them and they'll release them with no charges. And that's because they just haven't built

up enough information or fact to back up. One thing is a body in your car. The other thing is to

back it all up with investigation and that being, you know, probable cause. I mean, having more than

just, okay, there was a body that gives you probable cause to say, all right, we're going to take

it to jail for a while. We're going to try to figure out what's going on. Um, Lauren, let me go back

to you and Josh, I don't want to hog the mics. So please jump in if you have questions. But, uh,

this day, you know, we're talking about David nonstop, but we really should be talking about

Celeste. She's 14 years old. I mean, what do we know, uh, Lauren about her parents? I mean,

apparently the father is not an English speaker and he went back to whichever country he is from.

I'm not sure which one, but what do we know about the family if anything at this point? Yeah, I mean,

I, I agree with you. I, her, her mother does not speak English very well. I think her brother

is, uh, he was sort of like the, the, the family spokesperson at the beginning and, and he, I think

he spoke to ABC and that was pretty much it. But he confirmed that Celeste had told her mother

that she had a boyfriend named David and he also confirmed they went to the movies together.

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into motion? I mean, one of the issues here that could go either way is there's an issue of

obviously murder versus abuse of a corpse or concealment of a corpse. Maybe this defense

attorney is going to say, Hey, it was an accident. They just tried to conceal this body. The

prosecution is obviously going to say something other than that. But how do you square that argument?

Yeah. So there's basically really only four possible defenses here. Josh and you talk about one,

right? I mean, the most likely is this acts as an overdose. And we're talking about, you know,

some sort of obstruction, some sort of offense related to the body, right? So that's going to

be the most likely. Then you have the defense that it wasn't me, right? Typically you see those

in murder cases or that there was some issue with intense, not premeditated. It's not second

degree, some sort of heat of passion, legal insanity, sort of the stuff you're seeing potentially

work out in the Nick Reiner case, right? And the fourth is self defense. And obviously no one's

going to argue self defense. This was a small girl. But really, that's the universe of defenses

that you see in murder cases. There's not really a whole lot more than that. And I expect the

Malene strongly on the accident. Potentially, it wasn't me. I don't necessarily think they're going

to start to negate the intent, but you never know. But yeah, if you're the DA's office, and this is

a chess match, right? You're trying to plan ahead knowing that this is a well-funded defense team.

Someone is not going to take a deal. So you got to prepare for this defense right now. We know

one of the last things that we're waiting on was that toxicology. So if it comes back positive,

and of course, I don't think any of us have seen it because they really, they went to court to lock

it down to make sure members of the public and the media don't see it. I think if the toxicology

is positive for Celeste Rivers, that's something that the DA's office is going to have to deal with

pretty soon, not a freedom, certainly a trial. I mean, Nima, do you think that that is in

their hands already to talk about the question that they have? No question. There's no question in my

mind that they have it. They're not going to move forward without it. And again, but there's also

it's a law enforcement agency. Some of them, so for instance, you're not in Arizona, right? They're

doing regular press conferences, right? About Guthrie. LAPD, I mean, they lock it down. Nigen, I wasn't

just DOJ. I worked for the city of LA. I ran the enforcement division, the ethics commission. So

we oversaw all these employees of the city of LA. Let me tell you, they do not provide information

unless they absolutely have to do so. You got to file to get these documents. And again,

in California, I said it's the Public Records Act, the federal side, it's FOIA. So yeah, they're not

easy to get information and documents from. And I can tell you I can guarantee that they have

that toxicology, even though they haven't made it public. Lauren, go ahead, Josh. Yeah, could I

jump in? Lauren, we mentioned a little bit what we know about Celeste and her background and her

family. Do what do we know about David Anthony Burke? I mean, the most I feel like that's been

reported about his families that they were the ones fighting the subpoenas to come out to the

grand jury here in Los Angeles. Do we know anything more about them? How involved they are? Are they

out here in Los Angeles now? Yeah, I'm not sure they're location. I mean, there, there have been

reports that David was actually arrested wherever he was staying in Los Angeles. We know that's a

different home than where he was previously staying. But as far as his family goes, his father was a

pastor of of some sort. I don't know exactly the religion. And now he works in I don't want to say

it's like tech and legal, I believe, but I actually came across one of David's TikTok accounts,

which was crazy. It was all of David doing these Bible verses. These, these, you know, he's just

reciting a biblical verses. He's talking about spirituality. And I dove into that a little more

and I found out that his, yeah, his father was involved with the church. Now his mother is actually

very involved with his music career. So I think, and again, if you recall, he transferred his

Texas homes to his mother in September, a few days after Celeste's body was actually identified.

And I think his mom knows a lot. I think that their testimony in front of the grand jury was very,

very important. There was clearly a reason they didn't want to travel as witnesses for this. And

they were, you know, they, they were pushing this off. Anyway, they could. And so yeah, I do, I think

that his family, they're, they're all very, very close, including his sibling. His sibling was

reportedly photographed was the last. His brother, I believe. So yeah. And David, by the way,

for anyone that that's not aware, he, he was a gamer. He was a fortnight guy. And he actually,

he had a lot of potential. It's very, very sad. I mean, what he did was, was pretty incredible

on, on SoundCloud and making this music and just becoming what he is, you know, just going viral

himself. So it's, it's so tragic. I, I, I, I explain that because I don't know if people,

I can't quite wrap my head around it, but he did not, it's not like he got discovered

traditionally by some a, you know, our RNA, RNA and our agent somewhere at some record company. He

basically put his own music, self-produced out there until he blew up himself, right?

That's, that's correct. I watched this video where he was trying to explain it. And, and again,

it was like he created this, this song through SoundCloud. It went viral. He blew up. He became

TikTok famous. And then he got discovered. And, you know, inner scope, his record label, it's huge.

I mean, I think Rihanna is fine to enter scope, or she was at one point. And so, you know,

I go back to sort of the, the research I was doing previously about him visiting the schools.

And I had called a bunch of the schools to see if they were, you know, on board with him kind of

handing out concert tickets and holding these little, uh, lotteries for his shows. And the schools

were like, we had no idea. We only knew about this through social media. And I was shocked

because I'm like, this is inner scope. What are you doing? One of the schools, it was like six through

12th grade. It was really weird. I mean, and it's funny because I put this out there in a very

just simple way. Like, this is what happened. And, um, I actually got a lot of heat for that saying

that's not creepy at all. He was, you know, 18 or 19 at the time. And I'm like, it's a little creepy.

If I have a 14 year old daughter who's a freshman, and I don't know, this famous singer is

loitering outside the school, trying to give concert tickets out. Yeah. I'm kind of, I'm going to

be bothered by that. If that's my kid, I want to know about that, especially because you can see

what he's doing. He's connecting with these kids, you know, they're probably exchanging handles on

whatever platform they're on. And yeah, I mean, it's, it is what it is, but we are getting justice

right now. I feel it, guys. I just, yeah, I was in Los Angeles. My god.

No, I think far away. Not to mention one of his songs is titled romantic homicide. But let

me get the investigators in here. Logan, we discussed this a little bit before you came on. But

and for those who do not know, Logan Clark is a private investigator who's handled cases literally

all around the world. But, um, 40 years, yeah, 40 years. As far as we know, there's no known

manner of death here. And I asked Phil Ramosus, we have no body cases. But I'll tough us out for

the prosecution if we don't know how this person died. Well, because the body was literally in

pieces in different bags. Is there, has there been any investigation? I mean, I haven't dug deep

into this thing. Has there been any investigation into Celeste? Which did she want to be a singing star?

Was there a, you know, I can make you a star, um, you know, like sliced alone had girls, you know,

were just around him that he was going to, you know, make famous and stuff. Does anybody know that?

Lauren? No. No. She had no aspirations. Yeah. Yeah. It was more like he was, uh,

swooning around underage girls, uh, influencing him with his, you know, rising celebrity. But

had a career. Yeah. Uh, yeah. You said that not me, Logan. But Phil Ramos to you, to you, um,

charging documents. And then obviously, uh, Nima, you can weigh in on this. But what,

what could we learn from charging documents, uh, when they're released to us?

Probably just the minimum information at this point. Um, because you're going to give

the judge just enough information to solidify why you had enough probable cause to make

the arrests more the grand jury issued, uh, the true bill. If, if it was a true bill from the

grand jury or if it was a warrant issued by the DA, either way, um, but the one thing that, that

doesn't seem to be getting a lot of attention and I want to give a little bit of a trigger warning

here because this is going to be a little, uh, intense. Here you have a little 14-year-old girl whose

body's been dismembered. Um, and Josh and Nima can speak to the, uh, aggravating circumstances

versus the mitigating circumstances. It doesn't get more aggravating than dismembering the body

of a young, young child. So, uh, it takes a lot to dismember a body. It's not like you see on

Dexter, you know, you don't wrap them up and surround, wrap and just start chopping away.

It takes a long time. If anybody's ever been to an autopsy and we've been to hundreds of them,

you have to know what you're doing literally to start dismembering pieces of a body and the

level of dismemberment is going to come into play. I mean, it could be something as minor as

her arms were removed at the elbows or it could be something like her arms were removed at the

knees and then at the hips and then, I mean, it just goes on and on and on. Um, that's one of the

things that is just going to be really, really, you can bet that defense is going to fight hard

to keep that out of the eyes and ears of the jury if it comes into play. The level of dismemberment

that this poor thing suffered. Um, uh, Nima to you and then Josh feel free to hop on in since we

are co-hosting this courtroom confidential answer vibing the survivor. We're doing a dual stream here,

but, um, and don't don't don't beat me up for this, but it seems like, uh, from the

outset here and that obviously we don't know what we don't know, but it seems like a skilled

defense attorney can come up with a lot of reasonable doubt at this point about who did this,

why did they do it? How did it happen? You know, unless there is really specific forensic, uh,

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That's nationaldebtrelief.com. There is a lot more but we're going to know a lot more on Monday

and we're going to know a lot more for really three reasons. First is obviously the charges

themselves. What type of murder is charged? But again, we're asking what everyone else is asking.

Are they going to make any sex crimes charged? Anything related to the delinquency of a minor

or anything related to kidnapping? How does she end up with David? The charges themselves

are going to tell us a lot. But also you've got to know this district attorney. He has in

Minsha about holding press conferences. Expect to see a press conference on Monday where they're

talking about the case. But also Burke and the defense team. Look, when you are defending these

types of cases, right? And we saw, for instance, short period of time, Alan Jackson was on the

Reiner case, right? There's not just the courtroom, not just courtroom confidential. The court

of public opinion, this is LA. You want to start talking to potential jurors now. So a lot of

information is going to come out next week. That's sort of par for the courts when you're talking

about these celebrity case. You really want to shape the narrative. It is very important.

These law firms, they have in-house publicists, they have crisis management, they got PR teams.

It's all going to next week. There's going to be people going to be talking to Laurence.

She's going to be getting her quotes. Josh, everyone who's in this space because they want to

make sure they tell their story. And it's going to be some tragic accident or it was a rush to judgment

or law enforcement. They focused on the wrong guy. The same things we hear all the time,

expect to hear that. What story they tell Monday is really going to be a preview for what's going

to happen at trial. Yeah, I just want you to quickly piggyback off of that. What we do know about

Hawkman, too, is that he's not shy about bringing very serious charges. He's contemplating whether

or not to bring the death penalty in the Nick Reiner case. He hasn't made a decision on that yet,

but he could potentially do that. This case, and I know we're putting the cart before the

horse. We're all doing our best to try to understand what the charges could be, but for a moment,

go with me on the idea that this may have involved some sort of sexual assault.

Is that something that he could potentially be considering, special circumstances,

murder in that case as well? Yeah, absolutely. That's important to talk about. Look,

we're in the middle of an election here. If there is a Republican elected to governor in

California, all bets are off. That moratorium is gone. The death penalty is still on the books

in California. It is possible that a DA can file a special circumstances murder notice of intent

to seek the death penalty. On November, we have a new governor. It's a pretty wide open race.

In which case, we know this case isn't going to go to trial this year. It's going to be a 20-27 trial,

in which case, it could potentially be a death penalty case. The politics do matter as well

here in California. Josh, what about this comment from Jan Baker? Can his lyrics be used against him

in a court of law? That was so invoked in the 90s with the DA's office. They loved getting

anybody who was involved in the wrapped community. If everybody seemed to be, if they were a gangster,

they were also a wannabe rapper. Of course, they had a notebook full of lyrics. They actually

pulled back on that for a while because the court started to view this as, we're really drifting

into an area here where it's like, this is somebody's perhaps creative expression and now you're

trying to be using it against them, but I'll tell you what, it does seem as the pendulum has swung

a little bit too. I don't think in David's case, you're going to see something like that unless he's

got some very specific stuff and some unreleased song that we don't know about, but I don't see

the DA's office trying to push the bounds of what evidence they get in in this case here. They

want to do this properly. I agree, we were talking about it earlier. This is one of those cases

that the public is very interested to see a conclusion to this and they certainly don't want to

get it to this point and then drop the ball. I'm Lauren, how big is this case in the pop culture

community? I mean, people watching this are generally involved in true crime, but from a kind of

pop culture perspective, how big is this? I would say this is the biggest case of 2025

going into 2026. I mean, there obviously have been other cases that have popped up that are big,

like you mentioned, obviously, the Reiner is so tragic, but I think this one being ongoing,

people have been following it. Like Josh said, they're very, very invested and for me, I have

so many questions going back to the dismemberment when we first found out about this body and

David's trunk, we were told that she was wearing a yellow tube top and black pants. How do we,

how do we, you dismember with clothes on? I just, I have a lot of questions about that. I have

questions about, you know, how are you able to tell if they had a sexual relationship when her

body is so badly decomposed that, you know, they can't, I think her, it was reported that her,

her cause of death was most likely going to be undetermined because of the state of her body.

I mean, again, I know that we'll find out, but I just, I'm, I'm confused right now. I am and

it just goes back to what will he be charged with in addition to suspicion of murder or whatever

it might be. Yeah, a cat perfect, by the way, pointing out that David himself, I think, is only

21 years old. So I mean, I know you're an adult at that age, but you're still a kid at that age

at the same time for the investigators and detective Phil Ramos and then Logan Clark and then we'll,

I think, go around and probably get some final thoughts here. Um, but to you, Phil Ramos,

you know, you talked about getting some donuts and maybe a couple of high fives, but you're still

lacing up the shoes. From your perspective, what are you most worried about at this juncture

of the case at this high pro, that's this high profile? Well, kind of mistakes can be made by law

enforcement. Well, hopefully from this point on, not you, where you want to review everything that's

been done to this point. And if you see something that is going to raise some questions,

are you able to correct it? Or is it something that wasn't done in properly? You want to review

from day one until you hand it over to the DA. So you're checking and double checking and

making sure that you didn't miss something that could come up to bite you later when the trial

starts. So you're continuing to keep your ducks in your own and just keep them going as far as you

can. And and hopefully, you know, Josh mentioned earlier and immediately to the LA

specials robbery homicide, those are some pretty skilled guys and they know what they're doing.

They're not, you're not going to see a whole lot of mistakes coming out of that detail. So

that's usually what, what you spend your time, okay, do we got everything covered, man? If we

missed anything, should we have done this instead of what was done and how's that going to affect

the case? So you're just you're just double checking yourself, double triple checking yourself.

Logan, do you, if the family, you know, Celeste Rivas Hernandez hired you to investigate

at this point? Number one, how would you advise them? Number two, what would you do on your end

gearing up for a trial? With somebody dismembers in my 40 years and when somebody dismembers the body,

I've been to several cases. Case were a very famous one. We're a handwashed up on Santa Monica

Beach and then a handwashed up on Venice Beach. And I at the same time was working on a case to

find out hired by a guy to find out who killed his mom. There's three reasons why people just

member a body or or mutilate a body. One, the first one we always think of is it's overkill.

So it's someone related, someone that's in love with them, someone that's close to them,

and they got a stab in 32 times, you know, 42 times. That's one reason. The other reason is to

disguise who the dead body is. So it'll take longer for somebody to solve it. The other one is

the Mexican mafia, the Russian mafia, human trafficking when girls are no longer useful for them,

they dismember them, put their pieces in a 50 gallon drum of acid, and they literally

partner in the desert, little bones all over the place because they couldn't tell a whole bunch

of bodies out there. So there's three reasons to dismember a body as far as I'm concerned.

And that's where I would start. And then I would start to connect the people connected to them,

and you start that circle, you know, you start that circle of throw everything in that circle

and start taking it out piece by piece. This doesn't fit. But the dismembering the body tells you

a lot. I mean, to me, there's three, three things that you do. I guess unless you're a psychotic

wacko, and you've got a history of serial killing, and you have medical credentials,

they dismember bodies, and they do it for all kinds of really sick reasons. But basically,

the three are, you know, like what I said. And I'd start right there.

One question to fill on that point, because that is interesting. There is this effort to cover

up the crime, but then it also seems incredibly clumsy that you would put the body in a car

register to you, right? In terms of street, not all that far away. Like, what does that say psychologically

about the people involved in this? Well, you get rid of that. You get rid of that. Number one,

of the three ways, you go, okay, well, you know, they didn't do it to disguise the identity of the

person, because they cut them all up, and they put them in the trunk of their car. That's ridiculous.

Like the hands washing up on Santa Monica, and one hand, and it was the son who killed his mother,

and he cut her hands off to sort of fingerprints and everything. And it took the teeth to do it,

but it was before that, and we had solved it before that. And he all had to do with a forgery and

lost Vegas with the Nordary public. And it was all because of trying to, he hired me to find out

can somebody else find out I did this? That basically was what it is. And he figured if he paid me,

he owned me. Unfortunately, he was wrong. You know, and when I figured out that he had done it,

and it was a phony, um, Nordary public in Vegas and traced it all back to him, I got the cops,

and all we all went to a restaurant and we all met. I got my, and I got my money first.

For those who do not know, now, you know, Logan Clark, a private investigator for over 40 years.

I know the panel is going to find the shocking, but I'm afraid to use a gun. So Logan had a

stun gun on the last show, and I ordered him Logan. So, uh, all right, he came. I'd have to

charge him any road rage in Miami. You better watch out. I'm coming after you.

I'm going. No runners, especially when it's at night time. Yeah, I'm that thing sizzles.

Lauren Conlon, thank you for hopping on. Lauren's like, you sure you want me? And I said,

just give us five minutes. It will, it will. So hot, Joel. It's so hot in New York City,

I've been running around all day. I'm disgusting. Let me go. Um, no, justice for Celeste. Thank you so

much for having me on. Um, you guys are all amazing. And I'm honored to be here. And I look forward

to tracking this case, though. What are you, what are, what are you most curious about?

And then I'll pop you out. Everything I just, I just said, I want to know, I want, I want the

facts here. I want to like, you know, I was going to say in those unsealed grand jury docs,

we were told she was in two cadaver bags. And she was in fact, this member, but I just have

questions if she had clothes on. And again, while they're going to figure all this out when

her body was so badly decomposed. And also, I want to know if they're possibly could be a

co-conspirator indicted down the road, because like you said, this, it seems weird that you'd be

stupid enough to like go through all this trouble to this member. And then like Josh said,

put it in your own damn car. Like, it just doesn't, it doesn't make sense. And also, I want to thank

Neema for answering all my stupid questions over text. And literally, I texted him two days

ago about this case, about a grand jury. And he's just so patient and, and so amazing with me. I

just, I feel lucky to know you all. So, yeah. It's my pleasure. Always great to hear from you,

Lauren. Yeah, thank you. Lauren, I will do you a special favor. If you want, I'll pop you out

now so you can go get, get back to the kiddos. And thank you so much for being here. All right,

take care. Thank you. Neema Rothmani, he is a celebrity in and of himself, but he deals in

celebrity hood out there in Los Angeles, defense attorney, West Coast trial lawyers. Neema,

it seems like, I mean, from what we know right now tonight, this does not seem like maybe the

easiest prosecution of all time, your thoughts and your final thoughts. Yeah, it's not going to be

an easy prosecution, but I think that they're going to have enough. I mean, I'm a strong believer in

our criminal justice system and our DA's office. And obviously, look, this is a show about

survivors. I'm lucky to be on with you, Joel. I was lucky to be on with Josh yesterday and

courtroom confidential, not both of you guys today. But really, I am just blessed today because

I'm busy. Neema, it's going to stop returning our calls. No, every time I get a call from you,

guys, I'm so excited because I just love being on with you and all the guests as well. And

everyone behind the scenes that makes the show work. But look, I mean, I'm sitting here in downtown

LA, you know, a mile away from LAPD headquarters. Josh has been to my office. And really, this case

has been sort of a dark cloud hanging over the city. And I've been thinking about this young girl,

Celeste Rivas, for so long and her family. And you know, why hasn't anything been done? So

it was actually some reporters at the LA Times. They texted me and they were telling me about this

case. And I'm like, wow, you know, finally, after all these months and arrest has been made. So

look, it's important to get it right. You know, Phil Logan, I agree with you completely, but I'm

glad that law enforcement finally, hopefully got it right. We're going to see David in court

on Monday. And look, it's not an easy case, but it's a righteous case. And if you're talking

about victims and you're talking about survivors, who more important than a young girl was missing

from her family for so long. So I hope and pray that they got the right guy and they get it

across the finish line and David and whoever helped him do this, they can't harm anyone like

Celeste Rivas ever again. Very well said. Phil Ramos spent his life getting justice for victims,

like Celeste Rivas Hernandez. Phil, your final thoughts tonight, I mean, especially about

the long arm of the law. Relatively, people feel like this took a long time. It probably really

didn't when you, you know, you look at the whole scope of things, but what does it say about

law enforcement? They're going to find you and they're going to come after you. Yeah, man. I mean,

that's the dedication of homicide detectives. You never give up. You just keep going and going and

going. You know, there's some details. No, don't require the effort, but we spoke about this on

previous shows is there's no more dedicated investigators on your police department than homicide

and SWAT. They are going to give you everything they have for as long as they have until there's

absolutely nothing left to give and kudos to every single detective and investigator who worked

on this case. Yeah, 100 percent shout out to robbery homicide at LAPD tonight. By the way,

I reached out to Jeff Weninger who retired as a lieutenant at LAPD and he was hopping on a flight

at LAPD, but he'll probably come on on on Monday to talk to us about this. Josh Ritter was

awesome to co-host with you. Polities, if I had the mic a little bit, you know, it's not intentional.

And I mean, you're sort of, I mean, you're an expert. I'm just a dummy. So, you know, I just

asked the questions, but what are your thoughts, Josh? Is this your former prosecutor of the year?

Is this going to be a case that's going to be challenging for the prosecution? Well, first,

let me say thank you to you, Joel and STS and everybody behind the scenes for putting this together

so quickly and finding all these guests because this is so important and I'm glad that we were able

to do it. And thank you to everybody watching from courtroom confidential. I'm so glad that we were

able to do this as a dual stream. We kept talking about it and we finally made it happen. We just

took a matter of minutes to put it together. I usually spend a lot of time thinking everybody.

I want to thank Cody and Tennessee, E. Roy, Therapist, you know, Afton, Best Nancy,

Court Dog Daniel, just to name a few. I'll get to thinking everybody when I get a chance, but

as and to all of our guests as well. But I will say that this case, yes, it took long. Yes,

we were all wondering what was going on. I'm sure we all had moments where we thought to ourselves.

Are they really dropping the ball on this? Are they not going to make an arrest of somebody?

And I will say this. I have complete trust that they took the time because they needed to take

the time to do it right and that what we're going to find out on Monday is probably going to be

shocking the amount of evidence that they put together and how rock solid this thing is because I

do not think after all this time with robbery homicide involved with major crimes division out of

the LADA's office involved with the people that we already know attached to this case that they

were going to rush to do this just because they felt like there was pressure on them to do

something. This, this in my view, I've not seen one shred of evidence. I'm going to say I believe

it's probably a very strong case and I think that will be confirmed on Monday and thank God for it

because she, she deserves it and her family deserves it. Very articulate guest really well said,

we're going to learn a lot more. I think both of us will be covering the news conference and

maybe we'll do it again together. I'll talk to Josh after the show. So join courtroom confidential

and surviving the survivor on Monday for continued coverage of David, the R&B singer. If you're

just joining us, he was arrested tonight in connection with the murder of this young girl,

Celeste Rivas Hernandez, who was murdered at just the age of 14 or body discovered

once she would have been 15 years old, but they all on tents and purposes. People believe she was

killed and or died at the age of just 14 years old. So a tragic case and finally what appears

to be a modicum of justice. So on that note, again, huge thanks to Lauren Conlon from LA Mag,

Neema Rock, Monty West Coast trial lawyers, Logan Clark, private investigator for 40 years,

Phil Ramos, too long a resume, but retired homicide detective from Las Vegas and of course,

Josh Ritter, host of courtroom confidential and a former prosecutor of the year in a criminal

defense attorney. Love you all. We'll see you tomorrow. I'm with Carm. I don't know. Josh,

you have anything tomorrow? Not tomorrow, Saturday, but we'll be back and I'm sure we're going to be

talking about this on Saturday. Carm called me three times during this podcast. I guess

she's not watching me anymore, but we are going to be live at one o'clock tomorrow on that

social media influencer goes to Tanzania and Zanzibar, winds up dead. The fiancee says she hanged

herself. The family says no way. So Carm will give you her magical insights tomorrow. Love you all.