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1:53Listing to this on the day it comes out, which it's a podcast. You can listen to whatever day you want. Happy day to you too. So much to cover, and we will cover it all. Welcome to Not Sam Wrestling coming fresh off of the heels of Saturday Night's main event. We're going to get into everything. Of course, a lot went down over the past weeks since we last spoke, although if you've been keeping up with the podcast, we've spoken more recently than in the last week we had Not Sam Wrestling updates going up coming off of Monday Night Raw, an interview with Ethan Page that went up. You can get the interview with Ethan Page, of course, on the Not Sam Wrestling YouTube channel, youtube.com slash Not Sam Wrestling and those Not Sam Wrestling updates about Roman Reigns and Pente and everything that went down on Monday Night Raw as well as a preview to Sunday Night's main event that we did last week. You can get those on the Not Sam Wrestling YouTube channel as well as here on the podcast feed. So make sure that you're subscribed to it all because we have a lot to talk about.

2:55And usually the weekly podcast is simply not enough to cover everything. Now we saw Saturday Night's main event and to me what left us with the most intrigue coming off of this show was the question, who is the future of WWE? Now I think that we were all looking at this as a potential match for chicaneery and chicaneery is eventually what we would get in this match. Now to me, I look at everything. As you know, everything counts if you asked the last professional broadcaster Sam Roberts. And when that match began for whatever reason, Paul Heyman again, not in any corner and Max, he was the ring announcer for the match. When he got in there, the first thing he said was this match will determine who is the

3:57future of WWE. Now when he said this and then Bronn Breaker came out and then all the family came out and the whole thing like, but when he said that this match will determine who is the future of WWE. I go, you know, it's an interesting choice of words because especially with Paul Heyman, you have to listen to exactly what he is saying, not what he could be saying, not what you are thinking that he's saying, but word for word. What do the words mean? Did he say, you know, his father was an attorney. He means exactly what he is saying. But when it comes to telling the story, when it comes to arguing one way or the other, you're going to have to hold him to the word that he said, this match will determine who is the future of the WWE. In that moment, he did not say the winner of this match will be looked at as the future

4:59of WWE. He did not say that this match will determine who the future of the WWE is between these two people. All he said was this match will determine who is the future of WWE. And if you go on what and I thought this when the match started, I said based on those words that he said in that particular order, that particular phrasing, we could end up, if Bronson Reed were to interfere in this match, then is that messaging stating that this match is determining that it is actually Bronson Reed, who is the future of WWE. I thought that right after he made the announcement and I thought it even more after the match, because let's look at this match, right? So theory, well, first of all, it's a real match. It's a great match. It's back and forth.

5:59You know, a brawn breaker has a lot of the match. One breaker is clearly for most of the match being painted as at the very least a serious opponent for Oba Femi. This is not a day off for Oba. This is not a walk in the park. We're not getting the messaging that will Oba be Brock Lesnar, so now everybody else is going to be easy for him. This was something where for the first three quarters of the match, for the 75% of the match, brawn breaker was difficult for Oba Femi to get his hands on. Brawn breaker was a difficult challenge for Oba Femi. And I think that that was actually absolutely crucial. But eventually, Oba Femi was able to take control. Eventually, Oba Femi was able to seize the match and do what he needed to do to his opponent. Now as Oba Femi starts to build that offense that he needed first, Outcomes Austin theory.

7:05And Austin theory is just to me a guy in the vision right now, who whether he has Maxine or he doesn't have Maxine is going to come out. He's the he's the front line. He's that first line of defense that comes out and goes, look, this is our tester. If it's going to be easy for the vision to beat Austin theory is going to cover it. If not, we're going to watch Austin theory go flying somewhere else. And every faction needs it to an extent. JD MacDowna is the judgment days first line of defense. He's tough. He can handle it. He can handle being in that position. So Austin theory proves that theory to be correct once again as Oba Femi picks him up and and catapult some spins him in mid air and throws him through the announcer's desk. Then he gets in the ring. And the next thing we we see is or here is. Uh, well, and then Oba gets hit with a spear by brawn breaker.

8:07Oba kicks out of the spear. Now we hear Logan Paul's music play. Um, home bull. And here comes Logan Paul with that ridiculous long hairdo that he's got hat on top arm brace on this time. And he gets in the ring or or he gets on the apron of the ring and the referees distracted but he's not able to be effective. But while he is not able to be effective because the referee is distracted outcomes. Maxine again, the numbers are getting used. Maxine comes in and she passes brawn breaker, the brass knuckles. Now when Austin theory got put through the table, I was like, okay, that makes sense. That Austin theory would do that. But it doesn't really tell any story with brawn breaker necessarily. Just because Austin theory came out does not mean this is something brawn breaker wanted. You know, we saw a brawn breaker very much standing on his own two weeks ago in the contract signing. So I'm sitting there going like, well, maybe, maybe he doesn't want interference.

9:08Like in my mind, this match was going to be a vehicle to potentially turn brawn breaker babyface. And maybe that is still true. Maybe we are getting there. But when Maxine came out and she was the one that actually had the brass knuckles that appeared that Logan Paul was trying to get brass knuckles in the ring and the referee was stopping him, but it was a ruse. There's a red herring because Maxine do pre was there and she handed it off a pair of brass knuckles to brawn breaker and brawn breaker didn't hesitate at all. Brawn breaker smiled. Brawn breaker was happy to see Maxine and to get those brass knuckles. And in that moment, I said, this is not the direction that I necessarily saw for brawn breaker because in that moment, it was brawn breaker knowing that he was a defeated man in that moment. Brawn breaker admitted that he couldn't beat overfemming. And brawn breaker smiled and received the brass knuckles from Maxine.

10:11That's when brawn breaker was admitting to everybody that he can't beat overfemming. He's part of a faction. And then to make matters worse, brawn breaker goes to try to strike over with those brass knuckles and he misses and ends up getting thrown up in the air. It doesn't look the best for brawn breaker because that's when brawns and reen comes out. And brawns and reen shows up looking like a million bucks, by the way we had seen previews or whatever you want to call it on Instagram. We saw we saw the look that that brawns and reen may have changed his physical form, may have changed his body and it's pretty clear. He's taken off a ton of weight. He's left on and probably added a ton of muscle. He looks like a big ole like power lifter now, you know. And so he comes out slim down but jacked looking like a million bucks and takes a chair to oba femy's back and that's the end of the match.

11:12Ultimately, oba femy did win the match. But in terms of one wins and one loses and the one that wins is the future of WWE, we didn't get that answer. We ultimately were left unsatisfied in terms of getting the answer to that question. And last year sitting here saying no, what Paul Heyman said at the beginning of the match is this match will determine who is the future of WWE. And while brawn breaker does not look great here and oba femy, I'm sorry, I brought some read helped brawn breaker up. Brawn breaker and and and and brawns and reed work together, brought some read put oba femy up so that brawn breaker could then spear him. Brawn breaker looked like he had friends. Brawn breaker looked like he and brawns and reed were back to working together. Brawn breaker looked like he was still a force but brawn breaker did not look like the guy. Brawn breaker looked like the guy who needed help against the future of WWE.

12:13And then brawns and reed ascends to the top turnbuckle and we get a tsunami and I am curious, you know, the tsunami is looked great and commentary put him over like a million bucks. It's a very, they call them a protected move in the sense that everybody makes a big deal about when that move hits and I kind of wondered if it would lose a little bit of its lustre when brawns and reed came back because part of the reason why that tsunami always looked so incredible in the past and part of the reason why we could believe that this is the type of move that could potentially put somebody on the shelf is because it had so much physical weight behind it. Not metaphorical weight, not weight like the commentators going, oh, this is the move. I mean, physical weight. I mean, hundreds of pounds behind it. And brawns and reed now weighs less. So is the tsunami a different type of move? And I'm still not sold that there's not a power move that brawns and reed could do but I bought the tsunami tonight or last night.

13:13I bought the tsunami at Sunday night's main event. And I think Bronson Reed hit hit Oba Femme with like four or five of them. So I don't know, you know, they could be doing something where Oba Femme goes away for a little bit. Clearly, Oba Femme is going to want revenge against Bronson Reed, but brawn breaker kind of stood by the side of the vision while Bronson Reed kind of took control and it's difficult for me to believe that going forward, if anybody is the leader of the vision, it's not Bronson Reed, which to me, if you're going into a match where it says who is the future of WWE, well, you lost. You lost if within your own faction, people are looking at a different guy as the guy who is the leader. And I think that that's something that I mean, it could come up immediately. It might not, it could come up quickly. There could be an instance of brawn breaker getting thrown out, but I, I don't think it

14:15will. It could happen as quickly as Monday night raw. But I think more than likely the fact that brawn breaker welcomed the interference, brawn breaker welcomed the vision getting involved. Brawn breaker welcomed the return of Bronson Reed. And by the way, when Bronson Reed caused the disqualification, brawn breaker was not distraught at all. Brawn breaker was not upset. Brawn breaker was happy, perfectly happy about it and good with it, which could be why when old scoops Kelly, Kathy scoops Kelly runs backstage and in a very animated fashion, because there's Paul Heyman, you have to have some kind of comment to make. You have to have some kind of opinion on what we just saw on the return of Bronson Reed, on the result of that match. I mean, you, you, you, you ring introduced it. You hyped up this match so much. And Paul Heyman said, yes, as a matter of fact, I have a lot to say, but then his phone

15:18rings. And it's, by the way, very Paul Heyman to pay attention to the details that phone is blue now. Did you notice that phone that we got used to seeing as part of the bloodline, even when the rock was around, when the final boss was around and Paul Heyman had two phones one dedicated just to the final boss. But it's now blue. It is now completely separated from anything bloodline related because Paul Heyman is separated. Paul Heyman has moved on to a different story that he's telling. And within that story, he had to replace the phone case. It's a blue phone case. Now I don't know if the fact that it's blue means anything to any particular superstar or just the fact that that ain't read. But I, it's still stuck out to me. Paul Heyman did not look happy as he was talking to Kathy Kelly. When he said he had a lot to say, it was almost like a disappointed dad had a lot to say, right? Where you were, and this is something that hasn't been happening with the vision for several

16:18weeks now, where you think you've done something well. Oh, I can't wait to tell dad. I can't wait to tell dad. Are you going to tell dad and he's passed and you go, what? How? I don't understand. Paul Heyman did not look happy. Now look, I think that there are two things that could happen here. Number one is Paul Heyman is unhappy because we didn't deliver on our promise. We didn't solidify ourselves as the future. We always solidified was that brawn breaker on that night, you couldn't beat Oba Femi and you didn't, by the way. And we hyped this match and we didn't deliver on it. I think there are two things that could happen. Number one, Paul Heyman walks away from the vision entirely and goes, I'm done. But number two, I think you can reflect back on that contract signing and brawn breaker getting in Paul Heyman's face. I think there is an idea that Paul Heyman says, I told you at the beginning of that match

17:21that it would determine who is the future of the WWE and it did and brawn breaker, you my friend, are not the future of the WWE and everybody goes, oh my gosh. And it would be great if they chanted, oh, oh, and Paul Heyman looks around and he goes and I saw close up what Oba did to Barack Lezner. But I also saw what happened on Sunday night's main event and the future of the WWE was not receiving four synamis. The future of the WWE was delivering four synamis and he may have a couple more. And that's when Bronson read attacks Brock, uh, brawn breaker. That's when he starts dropping synamis on brawn breaker. Maybe he looks at the rest of the vision. Maybe he looks at Austin theory and Logan Paul and goes, where are you guys going? Right? When brawn breaker attacked Seth Rollins, there was this moment where he looked at Bronson

18:25read, he goes, what do you want to do here, pal? And Bronson re goes, all right, let's do it then. Bronson re could have the same moment where he takes out brawn breaker and he looks at the other guys and they go, all right, let's do it then. And then we end up with Paul Heyman and Bronson reads corner. I think that that's very likely because I think that Paul Heyman is too locked into this story as much as I'd like to see him be involved elsewhere. And I have a specific, I think he's too involved in the brawn breaker story to not be a part of it going forward. And so for me, I'd probably advocate for the idea that Paul Heyman goes, I promised you the future of the WWE and boy did that match show me who the future of the WWE is. And you think he's going to say, oh, but Femi, but then he twists it. And he says it's Bronson read and Bronson read becomes the Paul Heyman guy. I think it's possible. I think it's possible. And then brawn breaker would be the one who has to go away for a little while and then

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21:33was nearly as bad as Randy Orton is leading up to the event. And I think I was proven right at Saturday night's main event or Sunday night's main event because that was your story, right? You Cody Rhodes, Randy Orton. Now the match starts with Randy coming in for a sneak attack, but Cody knowing it's coming. Right. Cody sees it coming because Cody has been in this different headspace. Cody has been the guy who's been embracing the fact that maybe he can be a bad guy. That's where Cody's been at. And he knows he's been in that headspace. So he knows what a bad guy would do and he sees Randy right behind him and he catches Randy and boy, do these guys tear each other up before the match begins. Before the bell rings, they're on the outside of the ring. They're in the crowd. They're throwing each other into steel stairs. They're at the table. They're everywhere. And when they finally get into the ring, the bell rings. Now we've seen Brandy Rhodes is a ringside Cody Rhodes mom is a ringside.

22:36These are the people that were mocked by Randy Orton. They were both called trashy by Randy Orton and there they are a ringside and Randy likes that. Randy's motivated by the fact that they're ringside. And as soon as that match begins, after we've established the Cody's mom and Cody's wife are both there. Randy gets in the ring and gets hit with a Cody cutter. And well, I'm thinking part of me is thinking what they just end the match right here, but they did not. They did not. They still had a lot of match left in it to the point that you had the fans chanting. This is awesome. This is awesome. And we saw, you know, Randy going for a punty, missed that pun. We saw Cody hit the crossroads, kick out by Randy. Then we saw Charles Robinson get the ever living. You know what kicked out of him. Charles Robinson took not one, but two bumps. It was almost comical. Boy, do those referees get by. I don't know what happens more often referees getting hit or low blows happening. I don't know what gets hit more officials or testicles, but it happened.

23:40Both instances happened in this Randy Orton versus Cody Rhodes match. So Charles Robinson gets hit not once, but twice. I mean, just beaten from pillar to post. Randy is a bloody mess. And Randy is, I believe I want to say, and maybe this is just me making, you know, poetry out of things that aren't there. But I want to say that Randy was bleeding out of the same side of his head that Cody Rhodes is bleeding out of a WrestleMania. I don't know if that's the case, but it seemed like it either way. Randy is also bleeding out of the side of his head and his ear and everything just as Cody was when Randy punted him after that WrestleMania match. So ultimately Randy's on the ground and Cody's looking around and there are no officials. And he goes now is the time. And he runs back into the corner and people are going, yeah, yeah, we were getting this is awesome. People love this match.

24:41And Cody goes for the punt and then Randy begs for mercy. Randy says, no, please don't Cody, please don't come on, please don't do this to me. Don't do this to me. And Cody considers it again and he revs up to do it, but he won't do it. Ah, he's almost disappointed in himself, but I can't do it. I can't do it. I mean, Randy is grabbing it Cody's leg. Please Cody, please be a human being. Have mercy on me Cody roads. Now, this is exactly what Cody was told. You got to be a bad guy if you want to get this done and Cody said he was going to be a bad guy. Cody said he was going to be the worst version of himself. He's not the champion anymore. He doesn't have to abide by some code of honor that a champion would normally have to abide by. No, he's going to go for it. And he goes for the puns again, he still can't do it. He can't do it. All of a sudden, here comes another official. Another official comes out and he's checking on Randy Orton. Cody's like, I'm going to do it again. I'm going to do it.

25:41The official says, no, no. And there's a, there's a little dance that they do back and forth. The referee ends up behind Cody's back. Eddie. Eddie's behind Cody's back. And Randy comes in and boom, low blow. And Randy's got reach man. Randy's got that long arm, you know. The Randy goes for the low blow. He low blows Cody Rhodes and the referee at the same time. Two low blows happening simultaneously. And you can't believe it. That's when Randy gets him. RKO's Cody Rhodes Charles Robinson just barely recovers one, two, three Randy Orton beats Cody Rhodes. Now I think it's, it's very clear. I think that Randy is going to try to avoid fighting Cody Rhodes again. I think that Randy now has every right to step forward and said, say, I've beaten Cody

26:43Rhodes. I've beaten the guy that was the long reigning champion before the current champion. I know technically Sami Zayn was the last champion, but Cody Rhodes, that was only nine days and Cody Rhodes had it before then. I've beaten Cody Rhodes and I feel like, you know, even if he hadn't, if you've beaten Cody Rhodes in 2026, it's fair to say you're in line for a WWE championship match. Now there's like nine people waiting for a WWE championship match. So I don't know exactly how that ends up going for Randy Orton. But I think Cody's got to stop it. I think, you know, Nick, all this has to be in a position where he's like, Cody, I don't really know what you're looking for. You asked Randy to be this bad. Randy told you he was going to be this bad. You got the match that you wanted and you lost. So where exactly do we go from here? You got to prove yourself.

27:43I can't just give you this stuff. I can't just give you a rematch with Randy Orton. I can't just give you a world title match for I can. And I think that there is a world where I mean, you've opened the door for a Paul Heyman type to come in and be by Cody Rhodes side. Because you'd need something, someone somehow that is going to bring out the worst in Cody Rhodes that is going to make this version of Cody Rhodes, the worst human being that Cody Rhodes has ever been. I don't think it's going to happen. I don't think it's going to be Paul Heyman because Paul Heyman is occupied with this other story. It would be fascinating. I think it would be amazing. But unless Paul Heyman somehow just writes himself out of this entire Bronbreaker thing and goes over to Cody, I don't see it as being possible. And if Paul Heyman does write himself out of that whole thing, I mean, unless the purpose

28:45is for Paul Heyman to pick a side in this Cody Randy thing and then Bronbreaker and Broncen Reader going to come over to Smackdown and hunt down Cody or whoever Paul Heyman is with, I guess that's possible. But they're not really connected at all. You know, I kind of wonder where Cody goes from here. I don't I it feels like we're where we've reached the position. It feels like we're at the boiling point where we need Cody to be the bad guy where we need Cody to stop caring about people where we need that absolute. So the the ambition that Cody has, right? Cody is a wrestler kind of defined by his ambition. He left the WWE because his ambition was so high that it wasn't being met by the potential that the company saw in him. So he followed the ambition and he went out onto the Indies and the ambition was correct.

29:52And then and then Dave Meltzer says that that an independent organization can't put 10,000 seats into an arena and Cody Rhodes ambition, his ambition forces him to say, that's a bet. We're going to do it and it changes wrestling history forever. And it leads to a competitive organization called AEW that Cody Rhodes ambition has a huge part in creating and developing stories for. But even a promotion that he was one of the key figures in creating is not enough to suffice Cody Rhodes ambition. Cody Rhodes has ambition to be the top guy in the WWE to prove WWE wrong and Cody Rhodes doesn't want to prove WWE wrong outside of WWE. Because you can't be the top guy in WWE if you're not in WWE. So Cody's ambition leads him back to WWE.

30:56And then all we hear about is trying to finish the story two years of ambition, two years of trying to finish the story of doing it and boom, he gets it done because of that raw blind ambition. So when you take that level and by the way, that ambition is still there. The ambition to keep the title, the ambition to win it back. Should you ever lose it? Cody Rhodes is defined by ambition. So what happens when you remove the sort of guard rails in front of ambition, right? I mean, we all have it. Any of us who are ambitious pay attention to the guard rails that are applied. Yes, I'm ambitious to succeed. However, there are certain things that I won't do. That's called having integrity. That's called being a good person. I have ambition to achieve this level, but I'm not going to cut this guy's legs out

31:56from under him. It's not worth it. I have ambition to achieve this level, but I'm not going to end this guy's career. I'm not going to send this guy to the hospital. I have ambition for this result. But if I'm not doing it in the right way, I'm not going to cheat. I'm not going to take shortcuts. But what happens if all those qualifications, if every one of those qualifiers, that lends itself to character and integrity, what happens if all those qualifiers get eliminated and you're just left with raw ambition. Raw ambition is scary. Raw ambition is ruthless. Raw ambition is sociopathic. And raw ambition is something that I think Cody Rhodes could potentially display better than any superstar ever has.

32:57He has in real life and on screen done absolutely insane things because of his ambition. He told rock to go F himself as a character on television because of the character's ambition. He wouldn't give his WrestleMania main event to the rock because of his ambition. And then in real life, he's risked a completely safe, surefire thing because he knew he could do better twice because of his ambition. And without guardrails, we'll turn you into a villain. And I think that that sees that. You know, I think this idea that Randy started the story by saying, I'm going to make sure you're never champion again, Cody Rhodes. What happens if you flip that on its head now, Randy doesn't have to worry about that anymore.

34:00He beat Cody Rhodes. Cody now is in the business of stopping Randy or Cody is in the business of ending Randy Orton. Randy Orton's left with nothing to prove with Cody Rhodes. He can move on. Cody Rhodes is the one that has to point out there one and one. Cody Rhodes is the one that has to point out, I'm not going to allow this to happen. Cody Rhodes is the one that's going to have to point out you low blow, but he can't even say that. Hey, Randy, you cheated. You asked for it. You asked for me to be this version. You asked for me to be the Viper and you got the Viper and now you're complaining, you can't. So I think while Paul Heyman would be interesting, I don't think that that's where this goes. I think Paul Heyman's occupied. I think what acts as the force that puts Cody into this position that we have not seen him in before is what happens when the guardrails have to be removed from his ambition, because

35:06Cody has never been farther away from a reaching distance to the WWE championship. And now not only did he lose the title to Sammy Zayn, but then Sammy lost it to CM Punk, which made that title go further away. Guys, Cody's trying to grab it. And then Cody lost to Randy Orton. So now it's even further down there. And when you're trying to reach a goal that you can't even see, you'll do crazy things. You'll do crazy things. And I'd love to see it from Cody Rhodes. I think he's the perfect guy to show us what Roy Ambition looks like in WWE. Speaking of Roy Ambition, I think we're at that place with Roy's keys. Roy's keys doing phenomenal work as he's building this new character and doing so some of it just online on social media. But so we get to Monday night, raw Monday. And as we were talking about the not saying wrestling update this week, pentagon beats

36:11Ray, I'm sorry, Penta, Penta beats Ray Phoenix. And it's announced that on the 14th of September in Mexico City, it's Penta versus Roman Reigns for the WWE Championship of fantasy warfare. It feels like a 2k WWE game. It is absolutely awesome. And I think this is going to be a very, very special match. I think that as much as this match is going to show you what it looks like when Penta is in the main event, we have not seen that in the WWE. What does Penta look like as a main eventor? We'll see that in this match. But I think even more so, we'll see what Roman Reigns has to offer as a wrestler. We'll see what level of skill Roman Reigns actually has. I think when Roman Reigns goes into matches, he doesn't go into these matches and show you everything that he can do. There are wrestlers who enjoy to do things that way, who enjoy to go in and say, I'm just

37:11going to show you everything that I can do. And we end and some of them, it's too much and others are loved for it. Look at all this cool stuff this guy can do. And he does it all in every match. Roman isn't that guy. Roman does everything that is required for the story of the match, but nothing more. That's what Roman is. Everything that the story needs, Roman will give you, but nothing more. And I think that we get that with Roman Reigns and it puts him in an interesting position for his match with Penta, because Penta wrestlers a different style. I don't think, I think there will be moments in this match where Roman slows it down. I think there will be moments in this match where we witness Penta wrestling that main event Roman Reigns style, but I think even more fascinating will be Roman elevating himself to Penta style.

38:12I think we're going to see a different side of Roman Reigns. I think we're going to see a side of Roman Reigns that can wrestle a Penta match, not just a side of Penta that can wrestle a Roman Reigns match. And by God, do I want to see Roman Reigns get hit with a Mexican destroyer? I mean, can you imagine that Roman getting hit with the with a Mexican destroyer and then as he comes down popping up and then landing on his back, I want to see it badly. I don't think Penta is going to win this match. I don't think that will be the last spot of the match, but I do think that watching that that witnessing Roman getting hit that way will a new respect will be developed for Roman Reigns after this match. And I think one for Penta as well. And I hope, one of my hopes for this match is we look at it and we look at the level of interest and we realize that like, oh, we can really expand what this main event scene looks like.

39:13I also think and it was not accidental that it was great that Roman specifically as a guy, as a wrestler who part of the story of his character is no freebies. He doesn't want to defend the title against just anybody, anytime, anywhere. He's not that fighting champion guy. He wants you to earn the Roman Reigns match. He believes the Roman Reigns match in and of itself is a reward. And he believes it should be earned, but he went out and and when a guy like LA night or even Seth Rollins says, I want to fight you. He goes, no, you haven't earned that. What have you done? You don't deserve to fight Roman Reigns. And LA night can paint that as cowardice, but Roman says, no, I mean, this is this is it's a high profile high caliber thing to have this match. But what he did do is say, raw should be about Ray Phoenix and Penta.

40:15Raw should be about the people that fought in this tournament because he said, whoever wins this tournament, he feels as though they will deserve this match. Finally, he says a contender who deserves it because they've actually fought for it. And I think that that does a lot for Penta and for Ray Phoenix because there was a time where this version of Roman Reigns would go, who are these guys? These masked weirdos. Do you think they can fight the tribal chief? I don't care how many tournaments you win. You're not Roman Reigns. All right, we'll get right back to it in a moment. But guys, I've got to tell you, I love this Lorinco gum. This Lorinco is better for you chewing gum that uses the same mineral your teeth are made of to support daily enamel health. It's delicious. It's it's minty. It feels like you're chewing a quality gum. It doesn't get all weird and powdery. It doesn't get anything. It's just an enjoyable experience and you actually feel like, like, like, maybe you're doing

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42:23was in it. I think it was a really important statement to make. But Roman is sitting here going like, okay, like you've got this tournament match. But the reality is that L A nights around the corner. Roman is I believe on his calendar on a graphic that was put out. I believe he is going to be at money in the bank. I've got to believe we're going to see Roman range versus L A night at money in the bank. And that's going to sneak up on us right now. We're still about a month away. Maybe a little more than a month away from money in the bank. But by the time we get to draw that September 14th already, the raw after that is the 21st of September. Now that puts us very, very close to money in the bank. So I feel like we will get that L A night match. And then at some point, where does this Royce keys thing go? You know, Roman Royce keys in his gang, of course, and we talked about it. By the way, I don't know if I still have the same opinion about the censorship, the critics

43:25maybe write that could have been in that flick steal. I don't know the blurring of the faces and everything. But just based on the amount of footage that's been shown since it happened, I don't know for sure, but it could be. But I think that that showing Royce keys is faction like that. And then I don't know if you saw, but on WWE's YouTube channel later in the week, at the end of the week, they put out a video of Royce keys and a Lucian Price and Bronco Nima out on these streets and Royce keys saying, I told you from the beginning, this was not about family. This is about loyalty. And I love Royce keys shifting that narrative. It's not about family. It's about loyalty. Have the bloodline historically been loyal to each other or are they family? Because Royce would say I'd rather have somebody that I know is going to be loyal to me than somebody who happens to be blood.

44:27And then he spells it out. Ain't nobody safe. He says L A night can get it too. But on Raw, they took out the Usos and they took out solos. So and at first, it was like, well, we didn't actually see him take out solos. So go, but they posted an Instagram video on Royce keys Instagram or he was absolutely taking credit for everything that happened to solos. And Roman Reigns was stopped by Jacob fat to his Jacob fat to was explaining to him what was going on. And he said, Roman, if you think I'm a problem, you don't know Royce keys. I've seen this version of Royce keys before this Royce keys is a problem. And I thought that that was huge because all this effort that you've put in because it's like, how do you how do you portray the seriousness of the threat that is Royce keys right now? And the answer is you compare it to something that you've already put the work into. So much work has been put into this Jacob fat to character of defining this character as

45:31a character that is an absolute problem as a character that is not like anybody else in the WWE that is more real that is less controllable. And he said, if you think I'm a problem, this version of Royce keys is a bigger problem than me. That's the measuring stick down. And now we understand what we're dealing with with Royce keys. And in that promo video that they put out, it was awesome, dude. It was awesome. All this work that has been put into where Royce keys is from. And actually in the beginning made to look like it was a positive, now gets turned around and said, you don't want to mess with this guy. This is bad news based on where he comes from. I think as much as I had that whole conversation last week about how you could do a war games match where it's every man for himself. And you know, I was looking at the comments, I didn't even have to leave a couple of replies, which I normally don't do. But I was looking at the comments on the YouTube version of the podcast.

46:32And when I said last week that I thought they could do a 10 man war games match for the WWE championship, every man for himself. People said, what's the difference between that and an elimination chamber? I said, what the first word elimination chamber. I specifically said in a war games match, there are no eliminations. It's one fall to a finish. And I specifically said there would be no eliminations. That's the difference. First of all, it's a different structure. Two rings inside a cage. It's war games, but whatever, whatever. Now I've kind of moved on from that because I really feel like the work is being done now to create something that's going to be very, very special at war games. And I think that it could go a couple of different ways. I think that you could end up with a standard five on five. I think you could do a four on four. Or like if you did five on five, then maybe, yeah, maybe Solo finally joins the bloodline, right?

47:39Solo finally goes, look, after what happened to me with Royce keys, LA night, you weren't there to protect me. I'm finally going to join the bloodline. Maybe Royce keys is gang. Let's LA night in for the night. And LA night let gets to be on that team. That's four. And maybe there's a fifth one or, right? You could put together five on five based on what we've got. Or you could do three on three on three. Right. You could do Royce, Bronco and Lucian versus honestly, maybe Roman in the Usos. Maybe Jacob gets left out for some reason. And then you could do LA night, Solo, Sikoa. And maybe Drew McIntyre comes back for it. Maybe for some reason, Jacob that too joins that team. You know, I don't know. I don't know. I'd love to hear your thoughts on where it could go because I do think that that is kind of where we're at that there's a build going on right now.

48:45Low key for that war games match that isn't really going to take shape for another month or probably two months. And then we'll realize, oh, this is what we're building to the entire time, which is very exciting. I love the idea that the story is being kind of told that far in advance. I hope that that's what that's what's going on. I did want to say a couple of words. We lost Andy Williams over the weekend. Andy Williams, who was known in AW is the butcher passed away at the age of 48. If you guys have been listening to this podcast, you know that I knew Andy for a few years, you know, he did my show on serious use a friend of mine who I work with said, you know, every time I die was one of his favorite pans. And he said, yo, dude, the guitarist from every time I die, Andy Williams, look at this guy.

49:46I'm like, this guy's amazing, right? And I start listening to some of the stuff he does with every time I die. I go, this is fantastic. He goes, yeah, it's really into wrestling too. You should talk to him. And I had him on all those years ago and we ended up this before he was like, yeah, I'm getting ready to do my first independent wrestling match. I was like, that's so cool because the guy looked like a wrestler. He was giant, but also was just like this like giant of a man just like loved wrestling and and love just like ripping guitar, but was like so soft spoken and such like a wonderful, wonderful guy that we ended up just talking about wrestling and when you know, wrestling fans know the level of wrestling fan that they're talking to. I know immediately and I don't judge past judgment on it, but I know immediately what type of wrestling fan I'm talking to when I'm talking to a wrestling fan. I know if I'm talking to a new fan that's very, very curious. I know if I'm talking to a new fan that just wants to have like kind of surface level conversations. I know if I'm talking to a fan that is has watched for a couple years and kind of thinks they're an expert

50:50hasn't really been watching that long. I know when I'm talking to somebody who's pretending to be a bigger fan than they are and I know when I'm talking to somebody who's like a legitimate superfan. And Andy Williams was a legitimate superfan at the beginning. You know, and then to see him not only like he could have just gone into this world of professional wrestling and gone to like some indie shows and Buffalo where he was from and kind of gotten his jolly's off and just gotten to say, okay, I did it. But he didn't. He took it really seriously when he didn't have to. I mean, when I tell you and a lot of wrestling fans probably never knew this that like when he was building up this reputation on the Indies as the butcher in the blade. He already had his legacy built. If Andy Williams had passed this weekend and had never wrestled a single match, there would be thousands upon thousands of music fans that would be morning this guy's loss.

51:56He every time I die, it's an incredibly important hardcore band. And so to see him just go ahead first into wrestling and not as, hey, here's Andy Williams. From the music industry, it's no, no, I'm going to call myself the butcher. And when I found out AW hired a man I was so happy for him. It was just like it felt like one of the good guys had won. To see that dude get a TV contract to wrestle for for an international promotion. I said, that's amazing. He got an action figure. He got to wrestle on TV. He got to be an and and and anytime you see him, you go, oh man, that guy looks like he looks like an old school wrestler. And he said to any went down with an injury and up coming back. And we had him on here on Not Sam Wrestling. Much later on like I believe while he was still in AW. He came on and we had another very lengthy conversation, which is on the YouTube channel all over the, it's on the audio pie cast.

53:01If you just search Sam Roberts Andy Williams, you'll get there. And I mean, I love that conversation when he's here in the basement. Just talking wrestling man and you'll hear it. You'll hear you know in that conversation, you'll understand what a wonderful guy this is. You'll understand like how much he loves wrestling and you will, you won't be able to not root for him. I have a chair that's signed by everybody that's a or everybody in the last over the last few years that have come in the basement. And he just wrote butch on it. Butch. But you know, I mean, he said he said something that stuck with me that I thought was so great and so funny. He said that while he was home with his injury, he looked at every big return and every return that was awesome. Because that's I think is ultimately what Andy Williams wanted to do with his life. Just do stuff that was awesome. And he did man. But he said every return that was awesome. The guy wore sunglasses or wore a leather jacket.

54:03Triple H return to Madison Square Garden leather jacket. Everybody wore sunglasses or a leather jacket when they returned. So when he showed up and returned from his injury, he had a leather jacket and sunglasses both on ready to rock. Man, I, I, I, I think I admired him. I admired him while he was with us. I continue to admire him now as somebody who just lived life. Focusing on the things that they loved and doing the things that they loved because they loved them. And the work is the work. That's why you're doing it. Why are you doing this because I love this? And I want to be a part of this. When you, when you, when you love music and you love it so much that listening to it isn't enough, you're going to keep listening to it. You're never going to stop being a fan, but I want to play it.

55:03And I want to play it to the highest levels I can play it. And you know what else I love? I love wrestling. And I want to, I want to, I want to watch as much wrestling as I can. You know what? That's not enough. I want to be involved in wrestling. I want to be involved to the highest levels that I can possibly be involved. And if that means wrestling on WrestleMania, so be it. If that means wrestling in AW, so be it. If that means wrestling on Indy shows, then even though I don't have to, that's what I'm going to do because I love it. Because that's what I want to do. And there's nothing that I love more in this world than people who just do what they love because they love it. And people who just surround themselves with people that they love and with work that they love. And that was how I have always felt about Andy Williams. I love him. You know, I admire him and I mourn him. And I think we all should as a wrestling community. So, wrestling piece to the incredible Andy Williams, the butcher from AW.

56:09Speaking of AW, I didn't get to talk about all in last week because I recorded the podcast before the big wrestling Sunday. This week I was able to record the podcast after Sunday night's main event because Monday's a holiday, which means I don't have to wake up early. But all in was a tremendous, tremendous show. So much fun to watch it. I mean, it's just a fun Sunday of wrestling in general. Triple A was great. Heatwave was awesome. All in was awesome too. You know, I did Brit Baker returning on the pre show, which is just such a nuts-o moment, you know, I get it. It's like it's like it's so fun watching wrestling and like they're being two places to go. And they're being rumors. When somebody disappears off television, you don't know where they're going to end up. They can end up in WWE. They can end up in AEW. And then, you know, it's just a fun process. So seeing that, you know, Tecla being back, I'm a huge Tecla fan. Mercedes versus Willow was one for the absolute ages.

57:13Such a good, good match. And a great story. The new level, the new day, showing up was like we knew it was coming. We hoped it was coming. It was it was achieved very, very well in the sense that like they started the battle royal on the pre show. And then you knew the entrance was coming as soon as the paper you came on. And it was great. And seeing, you know, going back to just people doing the things that they love, seeing the new day in a new environment, getting to just be a part of the world of professional wrestling at the highest levels. So, so cool. You know, not not being involved with Kofi was not something I realized that I needed. And I did. You know, doing the dance as Kofi climbs up the stairs and everything. The first time that the Kofi elimination has actually been effective, awesome. And that the two coming back out because the only thing I thought of was like, man, you know, I love the trio.

58:15And then enswerved together at works for me. But what about all the tag team matches I want to see? What about all the new like new day coming over day? W part of it was like there are all these tag teams that new day hasn't wrestled or hasn't wrestled in a long time or hasn't wrestled in this context. And then having them come out after the tag team championship match. And be a part of of them and the machine guns and FTR and all that. That was a lot of fun. And then of course, the main event was one for the ages as well. Will Osprey's intro was so emotional, so well done, so great. His match with Kenny Omega was just an absolute classic. And then and then following it up on TV. The next Wednesday or whatever. And like having that moment, like having mocks. He's you know, in my wrestling brain, I'm like, okay, the reason you're doing this will Osprey story is with the with the deathwriters is because eventually mocks is going to, you know,

59:15he's going to turn on mocks or whatever. And we saw a little bit of that leading up to all in where he where Will wouldn't do what mocks wanted him to do. I said, well, they're going to turn on him and it's going to get ugly. And now he's going to have to fight mocks. But no. Mocks was there after Will had passed, you know, was actually a Virginia and ricochet and everybody. Aussie, you know, cough, lecture and Mark Davis. He was there at the end of the curtain, giving him the flag, you know, and getting him ready for it. And then to see him at the end of Dynamite and seeing the two of them together, I was like, oh, something's got to give. And then the two of them just look at the screen. And it's like the matchmaker has made the match. Like mocks didn't necessarily want this. Will didn't want this. But the matchmaker has made the match. And now that animal that is mocks that exists outside of friendship has to, you know, figure out has he brought out the best and Will? Does he want to bring out the best and Will? And is he ready?

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1:02:22Gargano was actually going to win the title and you didn't think he was going to win the title, but it was like, I don't think punk's kicking out here. Like it really did take me on that ride. Took the audience on the ride. I heard from a lot of people that took them on the ride. It was super, super fun and amazing to see Johnny in that position again. And I hope that that's woken him up. I hope that whatever serum that the Miz and Kit Wilson had to take to get desomified, that they shared that with Johnny Gargano and now everybody's okay again. Because Johnny Gargano being in the mix, I think is a really, really good thing. And the idea that he might be in the mix for the championship is nuts, right? But it's like, I mean, to thinking, I'm like, okay, like, if now, you know, my war games theory last week was just kind of a, I don't know, thought exercise. Like what if, but I'm sitting there going like, okay, next week in Mexico City, we're getting Sami Zayn versus CM Punk. By the way, next week it's going to be nuts. Smackdown in Mexico City with the Triple A tag team championship,

1:03:23which I hope the war Raiders win and then Damian Priest turns on our truth. You've got Chelsea Green defending her title against Nia Jax. And you've got our Sami Zayn facing CM Punk, challenging CM Punk for the WWE championship. Then you've got Triple Manion Night one on the same night right after that. Saturday we take a breath. Sunday we have Triple Manion Night two, Dominic Mysterio versus Grande Maricano. Then Monday you have Monday Night what Raw with Roman Reigns versus Penta. So I mean, it's like it's, it's going to be a nuts so weekend, next week, not this comment next weekend. So it starts this coming, yeah, actually, no, it's this coming weekend. It is, it starts this coming Friday and then it's next Monday. Yeah, that's what it is. My God, it's going to be a crazy weekend again, again, another crazy wrestling weekend. But you know, I don't think Sami Zayn is going to win the WWE Championship from CM Punk at this show.

1:04:25And I don't think there's a crazy thing for me to bring on. But I don't think it's going to be over either. Part of me wonders if it's like, like in my mind and maybe we'll talk about this more this week and maybe I'll put out an update podcast about it. I think that solosakao is the guy that should win money in the bank this year. I think solosakao carrying that money in the bank briefcase and the idea that he might actually beat Roman Reigns for that championship because he's got that briefcase. I think that's extremely compelling. I think it's the most compelling thing you could do with the briefcase to tell you the truth because there are a lot of people that want solosakao to have that opportunity. He ain't beat Roman Reigns without that briefcase. But if he's got that briefcase, it could happen. I think realistically though, and that's still possible. That's still the vote that I would throw in. But I also think like what gives with all these challenges you're creating for the title, right?

1:05:27You have Sami Zayn, Kevin Owens, Gunther, Thin Bauer. You have Randy Orton now coming off of Saturday Night's main event. Johnny Gargano is now throwing his name in the mix. You have Cody Rhodes in there. Damien Priest is going to want to shot the title Drew McIntyre is going to be back at some point. That's an easy nine that I have right there. With money in the bank coming up, is there a version of this where you just put the top eight guys from SmackDown. You just put all the SmackDown challengers in there and go, I don't know. It's the only way we're going to have a number one contender, right? Is to put all these guys in there. Or do you put CM Punk in there? Do you pick seven of them and throw CM Punk in that ladder match with them and say, well, now it's just for the championship. It's possible. I think it defeats the purpose. You can do a multi-man ladder match without it being a money in the bank. But, but, but I wonder that. That's, it's just a question. Is the same way we look at what's going on on Monday Night Raw with the bloodline and with

1:06:29Royce's faction and with Solosiko with LA Knight. Like, we can sit there and say, okay, it's not a stretch to say this is all a build towards war games. Is it possible that establishing this many challenges and it's very atypical. Usually money in the bank is just a collection of wrestlers that win qualifiers. And we are getting qualifiers starting this week. So maybe I'm off. But is there a world where like, Nick Aldish just starts throwing people in there or maybe it's to make the qualifiers more, you know, impactful. Maybe you're going like, okay, well, guess what, Sammy, you lost. But, you know, maybe you have like this week on Smackdown like Randy Orton, Kevin Owens, and Johnny Gargano are in a triple threat for a money in the bank qualifier. Now only one of those three people can get it. Maybe Sammy Zayn's not going to get a qualifying match because he already had this match to see a punk. I don't know. But I think it is going to relate to money in the bank.

1:07:32I'm I'm curious what you think. I'm going to check it out for myself to tell you the truth. I'm going to go to the emails email not Sam wrestling at gmail.com. That's not Sam wrestling at gmail.com. For all of your thoughts and emails and things that you want featured here on the not Sam wrestling podcast, Toby writes in Sam. I've really been enjoying triple A. I have two. I don't blame you to tell you the truth, Toby. You think triple may be is the perfect time for Chad Gable to come back to triple A to help Grande beat the interference of the judgment. I wouldn't be mad at it to tell you the truth. Just a little thing though, not a big deal. But maybe if JD MacDonna comes to the ring, Chad Gable fights off JD MacDonna. And we don't go any more forward than that. And Chad Gable isn't there in the ring with him at the end. We don't need to go crazy. But just like a little like, Hey, I'm here. Let me let me let me help

1:08:34you out with this. I don't think it would be a bad thing. But I think if done, it should be very, very subtle because I think it should be all about Grande Americano having this moment. John writes in podcast chief. I was so excited when both Becky and Stephanie returned to the world title picture at first, but after the first night of their return where live had her promo interrupted by Becky, she has not had any promo time except for the pre show of Sunday night main event. Who live lives at backstage promos outside a few rings. I brawls in the narrative that she has been with Becky and Stephanie not trusting each other and looking at each other while live has been back to managing. Uh, Raquel and Roxanne. I would disagree. I hope this is a case of, of since because Becky and Stephanie are both looking at each other that live gets the better of them because of it. Yeah, listen, I think a couple of things. Number one, live has definitely had promo time. backstage in the entryway. I mean, I feel like she's talked every week, but she's definitely at

1:09:38promo time. But within her promo time, she has said, I don't care about defending the title. The thing that makes live Morgan a heel is that she doesn't defend the title. She has made reference to it multiple times. She has said, I don't care if I'm not defending the title. I, my whole gimmick right now is that I'm the champion and I'm going to be the longest reigning women's champion of all time. That's lives whole thing. So you know, and she's defending the title on raw this week, which if it goes anything like summer slam show when you could have said the say you it was it was far worse as a matter of fact, leading into summer slam, I think in terms of her having a story with the whole thing. And she went into summer slam. She beat EO and most people didn't see that coming. I think that, you know, I don't, yeah, I guess it hasn't it hasn't

1:10:40bothered me. And if I had to put money on it, I've got her beating Stephanie Vickair. Because I think that you'll build to a triple threat with the three of them would live defending your title. Let's go to Steve who writes in. Do you think that we need an office inspired bloodline sitcom? Welcome to the family business. Steve, great question. No. No, I don't. We're going to get right back to it. But insurance, it's not just one size fits all. And shopping for it shouldn't feel like squeezing into something that just doesn't fit. That's why drivers have enjoyed progressives name your price tool for years. With the name your price tool, you tell them what you want to pay. And they show you options that fit your budget enough hunting for discounts, trying to calculate rates and tinkering with coverages. Maybe you're picking out your very first policy or maybe you're just looking for something that works better for you and your family. Either way, they make it simple to see your options.

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1:12:42I think that I would most compare Obo and breaker to Batista and John Cena where they didn't really fight until later. Like when they were both coming up, it wasn't like we're going to have that rivalry right now. You're going to let them come up and then be two top guys that fight each other and they'll fight each other a little bit on the come up. But when we talk about on the radio, it's not dissimilar to rock and Austin where like the rock and Austin ever wrestled before WrestleMania 15. Yeah. But it really didn't culminate until Austin had been champion. He was the guy and then rock was clearly going to be the guy. So I think it's one of those things where like a match like this at Sunday night's main event. It doesn't like lead to this year's WrestleMania. It becomes foundational for WrestleMania in three years. Because we still need to establish both them as the guy. If they're having an era defining feud right now,

1:13:46then neither one of them are getting the rub from somebody else that would allow them to ascend. As opposed to like the two of them splitting up and both of them independently getting bigger and then coming back to collide again. That's kind of the way I see it. Joe writes in hope all as well and you had a relaxing Labor Day weekend. I know we can't do anything about it, but I had to get your take. What are your thoughts on the seemingly increased editing of raw episodes on Netflix? Even Triple H had to post the opening segment of raw on his socials. The pagebellis segment was also edited. I'm not one for editing. I love watching the shows as is. I guess it's Netflix's business. At a point they can do what they want. I'm sure they have their reasons. Maybe it has to fit into a certain category. Maybe the advertisers want it to be a certain way. I don't know. I mean, I would say watch it live.

1:14:50I would prefer it be left as is. But that's how I am with everything. I love when I can find like old, I don't throw out any of my VHS tapes of old WWE pay per views because they have the old logos in them. I don't like it. I mean, I like it to be a time capsule of what it was at the time. But like you said, we can't do anything about it. So what are we going to do? Aweek writes in what's the haps from London? As you guessed, I was at all in on Sunday last week. It was epic. That's awesome. Did you finally see it in what we are interpretations of how I felt about Will's entrance? For me, it was Will's wrestling story. I later found out that the flag will was given by Mox had the names of the rest of the way. I didn't know that. That's awesome. Yeah, I don't know. I thought it was I thought it was a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful entrance from Will. All right. Last email of the day comes from Steve from Philly who says with Braun versus Oba at Sunday

1:15:51Night's main event. I want to get your thoughts on where I'd like to see it go. Most people are expecting a non finish to this match. I would like it to go another way. I'd like to see Oba beat Braun clean. I would have liked to have seen Oba beat Braun clean as well. I'd love for Braun to come out Monday on Raw with a very very vulnerable. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, very vulnerable. And it meant to the crowd that he lost his way and forgot who he is. I am a Steiner. You can heat Braun Steiner up right away. And it's like Oba the Oba lost never happened. I we all know the family. He comes from let's stop calling him something. He's not and have him get hot as Braun Steiner thoughts. I like you know their names not even Steiner. That's not the last name of the Steiner brothers. Rick and Scott Scott Steiner are Rick Steiner's name is Rob Rex Steiner. Like that's just another wrestling name. So I know I don't think you

1:16:56need that at all. Like Jimmy Usso and Jay Usso are brothers of Solo, Sakawa. Nobody ever goes. I don't understand how they can be family. They all have different names. That's none of their last names. You know what I mean? Roman Reigns. That has I mean, you're talking about like, you know, he's talking about the Samoan bloodline. Samoans like Afa and Sika and Umaga and all and and it's like Roman Reigns is it but Roman Reigns is fine. Like no, I don't think I don't think that a name change would change Braun Breaker at all. And I think Braun Breaker rolls off the time better than Rob Braun Steiner. Like no, I honestly and people might have said this about like, I mean, what could you have called him Roman Fatu or Roman Anowai? If you had said Roman Anowai, people might have

1:17:57said that in 2015. You know what I mean? But then it's never going to be about the name. Every name change that's ever happened. If the guy is on a run, nobody ever goes back. They they they complain when the name change first happens and then they complain maybe at a moment like this where it's like, he's not exactly where we want him to be. But once he heats up, nobody's going to be like, let now let's change his name. You know, I I don't know, I you know, I think him going IMA Steiner would not actually be bad. I think it'd be pretty bad if he did that. Because then it'd be like, I mean, we were one match away from calling Braun Breaker the future of the WWE. And then after being one match away from being the future of the WWE 24 hours later, he's like, I'm throwing away that name. It means nothing. I mean, it's pretty close to being the future of the WWE. You know, I don't. And then I would ask you to tell me what's the

1:19:02difference between Braun Steiner and Braun Breaker. You know, I mean, the ship has sailed. I'm not saying calling him Braun Steiner from the beginning couldn't have been good. Of course, but like that ship has sailed, dude. You know, I I I don't I would disagree entirely. But I appreciate the email. And if you disagree with me, email me not saying I'm wrestling at gmail.com. That's not saying I'm wrestling at gmail.com. Don't forget to subscribe across all audio platforms, hit like, leave comments on the YouTube video of this and subscribe to youtube.com slash not saying wrestling. And we'll talk again as the week continues. We have interviews this week that I'm going to post on the not saying wrestling YouTube channel with Matt Cardona explaining his tricep injury and with Booker T. So those of both be up. Check them out. Make sure you're subscribed and we'll see you later here on Not Say I'm Wrestling. Whether you're spinning the reels. Taking a seat at the Blackjack table or joining a live dealer game. Bed online delivers premium casino entertainment whenever you're ready to play. Plus

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