Bryan Kohberger Said _I_m Guilty__Now He Wants His Plea Back_

0:00This is Belie, one network, every topic, everywhere. Good morning, everyone on this 25-year anniversary of 9-11. Today we're covering Brian Cobrago once to take back his guilty plea. How many times is a defendant have to say, I'm guilty before the criminal justice system is entitled to believe him? Because Brian Cobrago isn't simply somebody who was convicted after a jury trial, is now claiming the jury got it wrong. He pled guilty. He stood in the courtroom that judge questioned him. He acknowledged the plea agreement. He acknowledged the consequences. He gave up important constitutional rights. And when Judge Stephen Hippler essentially asked him whether he was pleading guilty because

1:01he was guilty, Cobrago answered, yes, I am so sick and tired of the amount of rights that these criminal defendants get after they plead guilty, after they obviously are guilty. And I hope some of you listening, watching, are with me. Why are we wasting time and wasting money on this quadruple murderer who pled guilty? Why? Look at his face, right? Why are we wasting the criminal justice hours on this guy, on this guy celebrating the murder of four young kids? There they are, right there. Kaylee Gonzalez, Madison Mogan, Zana Cunodal, and Ethan Chapin. We're going to discuss this. You can see I'm not just discussing it. I'm disgusted with our system that allows this quadruple murderer who already pled guilty to waste the time. And it's not just the wasting of the time and the money.

2:02It's the families of these poor kids that have to endure this once again. Folks just a quick reminder, the police off the cuff podcast is sponsored by Fandall on the Believe Network. So folks, hold on to your hats, hold on to your loved ones, hold on to your thoughts, hold on to your prayers, hold on to your service dog. You're about to enter to crime from a police perspective. You're about to enter the off the cuff zone, the police off the cuff zone. There's some common sense. They were the ones who called 911 to get a call, and now their problems will change. Giving me today on this 25th year, solemn day, said day, 25th year anniversary of the

3:07attacks of the World Trade Center on 911. Here's retired NYPD Sergeant Professor at Alberta's Magnus College in Connecticut. Attorney at law, welcome to the show, Professor Mike Geary. Mike, welcome. Hey Bill, good morning. Thank you for having me on. In fact, guys, they even hijacked him at his office at work. He's in his professor mode today, an unannounced show. But you know, Mike, I don't know if I'm the only one, but I get, I'm really annoyed. Why is the criminal justice system even entertaining this guy, this quadruple murderer? Why are they entertaining? I'll tell you what happened. He doesn't like prison. He got a taste of cheese sandwiches. He got a taste of his cell, that's what it's eight by six, eight by eight, whatever the hell it is. He got a taste of not having freedom and was supposed to give a shit about this guy. His rights, he got every right he was entitled to. And now why is the system bending over backwards to entertain an appeal?

4:12He doesn't deserve an appeal. He shouldn't be getting an appeal. Judge Hippler, I guess now because he was the judge that presided over this yesterday. Excuse himself, give him another judge and now he's going to be appointed another attorney because Antelr, who is a original attorney who gave him fantastic representation. She gave him poor advice, Mike. Yeah, Bill, this is not going to go very far. It does seem like our system, which is supposed to have finality in terms of punishment and sentence, no matter whether or not you agree or they're not. It's supposed to be final. That's for the victims. Remember, this is all about Ethan, Zaina, Maddie and Kayley. It's not supposed to be about him, but unfortunately a lot of our system is kind of geared toward the right to the perpetrator, the alleged perpetrator. However, he pled guilty. He self convicted. As you said in your intro, Judge Hippler asked him, are you in fact guilty? And he said, yes, he's regretting, as you say, the cheese sandwich, he's regretting

5:14the smell. He's regretting the lack of privacy. He wants to go back to Leita County where he could sit in a jail cell where he had like a little space to himself, a TV and like a little sitting room. That to him would be great. And he then wants to go to trial. Look, that's ridiculous. That's the most he could get out of it. That's the most he could get would actually be a trial. But that is a one in a billion shot. But even if he did win this appeal, there's always going to get. He'd be tried like four or five months from now. And he would be giving up his ability to avoid the death penalty. He would actually be now be susceptible if convicted to the death penalty. That's ridiculous. That's idiotic. But our system, he's got an assigned attorney after he made his plea. I don't think this is going to go far at all. I don't think he's going to win the appeal. But I like you.

6:17I crave the finality of it. And this is ridiculous. It shouldn't even be entertained whatsoever. You know, Mike, I somewhat blame the laxic, daisicle way, in my opinion, again, that they took this plea. Right. First of all, Bill Thompson, the prosecutor from Lita County, the big Santa Claus beard, he didn't want to try this case. And I can tell he's, although he's never gone recordous. So he is anti death penalty. And he didn't even put that on the table. You want to scare the shit out of a quadruple murderer, put a death penalty on the table. And in Idaho, a firing squad, this little coward, you don't think this little coward would have been shaken in his boots. Look at that face. He is a coward. Right. And he's a thousand yards there. Right. And then the nerve in the, you see on the thumbnail, I didn't do it.

7:20All of a sudden, you didn't do it. I want to play this just to refresh our memories here. And Mr. Cobra, do you understand that by entering the guilty plea in this case, you would be giving up your right to appeal any decision this court made, as well as your sins? Yes. Have you had enough time to decide whether or not to plead guilty? Yes. You plead guilty freely and voluntarily? Yes. Given your choices, do you believe it's in your best interest to plead guilty? Yes. Have you discussed fully the matter of pleading with your pleading guilty with your attorney and are you satisfied with the advice you've received? Yes. As your attorney advised you to your satisfaction about what your rights are, what your defenses may be, and what the possible consequences to you of your guilty plea are.

8:23Yes. As your attorney did everything you've asked them to do. Yes. Are you satisfied with the representation of you? Yes. Is there anyone here that's listening to this now that didn't hear him say yes, all those times that Judge Hitler asked him questions? And to me, the most important yes was, do you realize by pleading guilty, you have no right to an appeal? Yes. That should be the end of this. Why are they entertaining this garbage? That's a French word for garbage. Why are they entertaining this guy? This is what's wrong with our society. He plead guilty to four murders individually, each one in a row. I don't know. I speak English and I think Judge Hitler speaks English. Co-Bergus speaks English.

9:23He didn't say we, we. He said yes. He said it four times and he understood that by pleading guilty, he was giving up his right to an appeal. Said right out front. So Mike, you're the attorney. I'm just a dumb police sergeant. You know, I'm not as astute. I'm not as alerted on the law as you are. I think I know a little bit, but not like you do. What? Why is the system entertaining this? Well, I think he's going to get one hearing. I think there is a judge will grant him a hearing and then probably deny his motion to vacate his plea. You know those pieces in your closet that you find yourself wearing on repeat? The sweater that goes with everything. The perfect pair of pants or the tee somehow always reach for first. Those are the pieces that make getting dressed easy.

10:24And that's what quince does best. The pants that I ordered from quince are the most comfortable pair I have in my closet. The sleek, foam fitting look as well as the comfort stretch make me want to wear them every day. The casual dress look make them perfect to wear for any occasion. Find your next fall favorites at quince. Download the quince app for app exclusive offers or go to quince.com slash cuff that's CUFF. Get free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. Now available in Canada and the UK too. That's quince.com slash cuff. Deal and go back to a trial. I don't think I think it is kind of ridiculous. I would even entertain it. But I think he will get one hearing. It might be 20 minutes long. It might be half hour. It might be five minutes. But I don't think he will go any farther than that. And then what he can possibly do then would make an appeal from that decision to the Idaho

11:30Supreme Court. But I don't see it going any farther than this. He may because what he's alleging really is that he had incompetent counsel and that he listened unfortunately and unwisely to incompetent counsel. No one, but no one thinks and tailors incompetent. I have all the respect in the world for her. She threw everything she had at the wall in terms of trying to get, you know, limit possible in, you know, incriminating evidence against the trial. She did the best she could. If I was in his position, I'd want her. She's death penalty qualified. She's only one of, I think two defense attorneys in the state. She's a former prosecutor. Even just for Colbert just saying she gave me bad advice. You know what? He would actually have to really, if he was going to do this, he'd have to allege that the advice he was given was actually factually wrong, maybe incorrect interpretation of a

12:31law. And this way you could show that she had given him incompetent counsel under the sixth and 14th amendments. And also Idaho law. He can't do that. He had an excellent attorney. I think he'll be shut down and his motion of vacate his plea will be denied. He'll go back to prison. I don't, I think that's about all it is. It's still aggravating because thank you for showing the pictures. There's Zaina, Ethan, Maddie and Kaylee. These four beautiful persons were slain by him in most violent, sick way in their sleep. They were stabbed. Some of them were stabbed 30 times, 40 times each. This guy is a sick, demented animal. He's locked up. That's where he needs to be until the day he dies. I don't think any judge is going to say that, yeah, you know, you got you, you got bad counsel.

13:31You got bad advice. No, not at all, not at all. A waste of time. This is from a local TV station. New public defender is now representing Brian Coburger as he seeks to overturn his guilty plea in the murders of four university about O students. This is a new Netflix docu series releases over hashing the investigation. Steve Christie in Olivia Genselva's the family of victim Kaylee Genselva's joined the today's show this morning to talk about that docu series. NBC senior legal correspondent Laura Jared has the latest. A new attorney now representing Brian Coburger is he mounts a long shot bid to backtrack on his plea deal. Are you pleading guilty because you are guilty? Yes. Court records now showing a new public defender assigned to Coburger's case more than a year after he agreed to a plea deal admitting an open court to killing four university of Idaho students. Kaylee can solve as Madison Mogan, Ethan Chapin and Xana Cronodal in their off campus

14:32home in hand. When documents filed last week, Coburger now saying he was convinced to falsely confess by coercion disinformation false promises and the withholding of exculpatory evidence also accusing his former public defender of ineffective assistance of council and suggesting without evidence that his plea deal was not voluntarily entered because of threats asserted by petitioners legal counsel despite the new attorney legal experts in Idaho say his new efforts are almost certain to fail. There is none, no chance that he's going to end up out of custody on this thing. His claim to be an innocent man is far too little against the mound of evidence against him. But for Kaylee can solve as a sister who address Coburger directly at his sentencing. I will call you what you are. Sociopath. Psychopath. Murderer. The filing still comes as a shock to the system.

15:33That fact that someone locked behind bars still has the ability to revictimize their victims. Not something that isn't just very easy to get over. Not to leave the following. Right here. Young. Coburger's new legal filing coinciding with the release of Netflix new three-part docu-series. He didn't even have to say their names. That's not enough. Kaylee sister Olivia saying the plea wasn't the closure of their family needed. This will never be over for us until the defendant is no longer breathing on this earth. I think she said what we all think. He's no longer, oh, he's so irrelevant that we never hear his name again. I think in this media world we live in, you know, YouTube, the internet, Netflix, this

16:33could be why there's a dirt bag. Wanted to do this little charade because of the how much attention this case is getting not just in this country but throughout the world, a Netflix special, right? This is about me. I remember Jim Clemente when we had him on the show, the great FBI profile friend of mine. He said, don't even mention his name. This is the defendant. This is the dirt bag. This is the quadruple murderer. Don't use his name. Use the name of these kids. Kaylee Gonzalez, Madison Mogan, Zana Connoto, and Ethan Chapin. That's who we should be focusing on. That, this piece of excrement who we shouldn't even be talking about. But Jennifer, what really amazes me and I've been doing this now for seven plus years. No matter how affirmative it is that this guy is guilty, there's always people who send

17:37me texts. And well, since I know nothing, Sergeant, you know nothing about this case. He's innocent. And you know, I want to pull what little hair I have out. I don't have much left. But it is not that it's bothersome, but it's like maybe we should have PG or R rated rating on our show for so certain people aren't allowed to watch it. Because even after this guy pled guilty, there are those. And I guess it's not important really when you think about it. If that's what they think, then I think they're just misguided. There's still people that'll text me or put comments in the show and say, he's innocent. He was framed. This was a big drug cartel. You know, like, oh my God, you should write your own Netflix series because it's, you know, it's all fake, you know, it's all fake. But I find this, I don't know, I just find it disturbing that the system entertains this

18:38guy. After he was told, when he took a plea, you understand, you're pleading guilty because you're all guilty. And he said, yes, he said, yes, you understand, you give up your right to an appeal. He said, yes. So why are we playing this game? Mike. Bill, I think you hit upon it. Parley, he wants relevancy. People crave relevancy. Maybe he thought that after he went to prison within a couple of weeks that he'd be getting phone calls from people wanting to interview him. Maybe the, an author of a criminology book would want to talk to him about comparing him to the BTK killer or Jack the Ripper or something. Maybe he thought he would actually have better accommodations that would, you know, satisfy him like he had in Lata County. Maybe he thought there'd be people who would really want to talk to him and besides just the FBI, right? And really go over and say he could have some sort of relevance.

19:38That's all he's got. That's all he's got. He's got a number now. And you're right. We shouldn't even talk to him by even his initials. He's just the perpetrator. That's all he is. He's the convict. He's a puny anonymity. That's all he is. And I think that really bothers him. He's not getting anything his way. People are not entertaining his nonsense in prison. He's a very dirty, nasty, unhappy, violent place. And he never thought that he would be treated the way he's been treated. And so therefore, you know, he's trying to become something maybe a celebrated person in the eyes of many people, whether you're attracted to him because he's been so violent or you're attracted to him because you're so curious. But there are people you're right who actually believe that it could be Ethan's fraternity mates that decided to murder Ethan, Zena, Maddie and Kayleigh with a knife that was bought

20:39on the internet in Pennsylvania. And got his DNA on it or the colleague drug cartel. Yeah, they don't come in with a gun. They'll come in with again with a knife with his DNA on it and kill four people. It makes no sense whatsoever. Look, people, there may be adults who believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy. And these are the people who will insist, oh yeah, he had help. There's no possible way he could have done it. Yeah, come on, people seriously, but there are people like that. And you know, you got to put up with them. They represent a certain percentage of the population, but silly, it's all silliness at this point. He's not going anywhere. He's never going to be out of custody. He's going to be in custody and it's like 99.9999% chance that he's going to stay in the custody of the prison system, not in any jail, getting a trial, getting a trial.

21:41He's going to be in prison and this is it for him. Absolutely. And this is from Fox. At wrong information and claims he is innocent. The co-worker is looking to use post-conviction relief and is arguing he had bad counsel. We're going to have more on this breaking story when we get it. This is breaking details into us right now that he's looking to take back that guilty plea. In fact, we're waiting on any brand new details to come into us right now as this is breaking. Obviously, this is just a horrific time for these families as they have been following every detail of that courtroom drama. Let's bring in Donna Rattunona. Donna, can you please jump on in here as I can only imagine the feelings that these families are having right now knowing that this man is looking to take back that guilty plea. Are you guys? Yeah, I truly unbelievable, Sandra. On it. First, I heard it and I thought, well, how can you do that?

22:41Usually there's a time frame in which you can file these types of motions and more far past that time frame. But apparently, I've been doing some research here in the last couple of minutes and I told you, there is no time frame that you have to show. I think the wording was a manifest injustice in order to have your plea taken back. And so that's a very high bar, right? He's going to have to show that there was something so extraordinary that got him to take this plea and that there was an injustice that happened because of it. So I think it's a high bar and I think he's going to have a difficult time doing it. And I would be, you know, I just want to mention something as we get this. So it's so pathetically ridiculous that why the criminal justice system is entertaining this is beyond me. Want to ask you something Mike, will Judge Hitler be the one to make this decision or will it be another judge? Bill, I think at this point it's going to be assigned to another judge. I would imagine that's the way they would do it because as you say, he took the plea,

23:46you know, he was intimately involved with all of the proceedings beforehand, making sure that in Culpatory and Exculpatory evidence, the Brady, you know, as you talk, you know, the Brady evidence was turned over by the police to Thompson. I think he has too much of knowledge at this point because he dealt with Ann Taylor, you know, for months and months and months, three years pretty much almost, now about two and a half years. And so therefore, I think they would have some, I guess they would have somebody do with fresh eyes look at it. But as they say, the manifest injustice, you would have to show that Ann Taylor was pretty much basically, you know, totally, totally a ninkam poop and that she had no idea she was doing. She practically never graduated law school. There's no possible way he could show with her record and her abilities and what you know, those pieces in your closet that you find yourself wearing on repeat, the sweater

24:50that goes with everything, the perfect pair of pants or the tea you somehow always reach for first, those are the pieces that make getting dressed easy. And that's what quince does best. The pants that I ordered from quince are the most comfortable pair I have in my closet. The sleek, foam fitting look as well as the comfort stretch make me want to wear them every day. The casual dress look make them perfect to wear for any occasion. Find your next fall favorites at quince download the quince app for app exclusive offers or go to quince.com slash cuff that's CUFF. Get free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. Now available in Canada and the UK too, that's quince.com slash cuff. She did particular in this particular case with him. There's no way that he's going to be able to show there's manifest injustice.

25:50But I think a fresh set of eyes probably is going to be the way that Idaho is going to go. And again, it's going to be before another judge. It might be, you know, an hour long hearing with an attorney and somebody from the prosecutor's office. I think that would be the proper way to go in this case. And I think that's what they're going to do. This is exactly what I'm talking about at DW Brit City. Are you all blind? Read up on the details. He was not there. There is no evidence at all. You know, at DW Brit City, I'm going to be as kind as possible to you. How did the his DNA get on the button of the night? She's yes. I can I can know what you would say. So it was planted by the police. All right. There's so much evidence against this guy. In fact, I always refer to Orange County Retired Prosecutor Matt Murphy, who said he's never seen a homicide case with this much evidence. But yet, folks like you and I don't know you as the first time I've seen you in the chat

26:55come out with a I'll have to say it a ignorant statement like you just had. And to say that the DNA on the knife she doesn't put him there. Hmm. I don't know. I guess you've got to make your own Netflix episode and extolling the innocence of Brian Colberg. But I just wanted to say that because there are people out there just like you and as I said, I'm going to be as kind as possible have a nice day. But again, there are people at the like at the W Brits City, who actually believe this. This is news nation. This is say he was tricked into confessing. He now wants to take back his flee and have his day in court. Last year, Coburger admitted to killing University of Idaho students Madison Mogan, Kaley Gonzales, Zana Cronodal and Ethan Chapin at an off campus house in 2022. On Monday, Coburger filed a handwritten petition for post conviction relief.

27:59He says his lawyers convinced him to confess to a crime he didn't commit. Kaley Gonzales's father just told our Jesse Weber exclusively he's not surprised by this filing. Because he's an egomaniac psychopath. He's always wanted to control the room. He's always wanted to dominate the people around him. I mean, this guy's creative. And, you know, he's got to he was working. He's got a master degree in his working on the PC. So he's not a moron. He really writes like an idiot. Joining me now to break this all down. I've got criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor David Galman. David, you and I have been chatting about this all morning long. I'm just curious in your experience, both prosecuting and defending, how often does somebody convicted and sentenced actually get a plea reopened? I've never seen it happen, honestly, Margie. It's, honestly, it's very difficult, damn near impossible to have happen. You know, judges, when they take a guilty plea, they make sure that the defendant knows exactly

29:00what they're doing. So they make sure that they're not under the influence of any drugs, alcohol medication that could enforce that that could affect their mind at all. They make sure that nobody's forcing them, coercing them, threatening them to take the actual plea. They do plea papers to make sure that they know exactly what they're doing. And then they have to do a plea coffee so they have to actually confess to what they actually did. They make sure to make the record is exactly how it should be. Well, that's what was wrong here is that he was not made to allocate, which would be what this attorney just said to admit to everything that he did in this crime. And that's huge. And he wasn't forced to do that. The other thing is Bill Thompson did not use the death penalty as leverage to get this moron to admit how about getting the knife? I would have demanded that. Where is the knife? Take the police to where you dumped it, right?

30:02You'd still have people like DW Brits City arguing, the police planted the knife, you know, you'd have still have stupidity in the chat, you know. I was amazed that they did not make him allocate and that's there in lies where all the conspiracy theorists are always going to show up. Polk's is a police off the cuff. If you're not subscribed, hit that subscribe button, give us a thumbs up, like us, share us, make lots of comments. If you want to contribute to us financially, we have a Patreon with four different levels and we also have a YouTube channel membership with five different levels and you can, for as little as $2.99 a month, you can become a police off the cuffer. You can join and be an off the cuffer, join one of our fans. Also folks, just a quick reminder that the police off the cuff podcast is sponsored by Vandal on the Believe network. You know, on this sort of sacred day for all of us from the NYPD and New Yorkers that

31:08were affected so much by the attacks of 9, 11, 25 years ago, I thought we would cover this case to just show that we're a country of laws and even with someone like this, even with a monster like this, he was given a fair, while he didn't get a trial because he didn't want to, he played guilty. And there's, as you see, the still lows out there that believed he was treated unfairly and believed he had nothing to do with this. And that's crazy. Mike, your final thoughts? Yeah, Bill. With Anteller, the excellent attorney that he had, I won't even say his name, that he had, he got what he's entitled to. He got due process of law. He was well represented. He's very, very smart. He knew what he was doing. He played guilty and his judge Hippler asked, are, did you plead guilty because you are,

32:10in fact, guilty? He said, yes. I would have liked to see an allocation like you, like, like, mean Phil. We were really like to see that, but it didn't happen. But his, let's remember the DNA, let's remember the cell phone technology evidence. He got, he got excellent reputation for two and a half years. And he played guilty voluntarily. He made sure, judge Hippler made sure this was voluntarily done, knowingly done. And unfortunately, sorry, sorry, Mr. criminal. This is not about you any longer, although you're a sociopathic narcissist, you know, like Mr. Gonzales rightly said, this is about Ethan Zayna, Maddie and Caitlin. And so, you know, let, let, let, let, let him, sorry, let him rot in hell. But this stands no chance of being successful. I just, it just makes, it just sort of makes me laugh that there are people.

33:14They should almost be banned from watching true crime. Or they should have a true crime lobotomy because they have no brains in their head to think that this guy is, is, is innocent. And that's the case. On this sacred day for us, at least for the NYPD. I want to thank all of our off the coffers for tuning in. Say prayers for the nearly 3000 people that lost their lives on 9-11. And if we leave you with anything, again, we leave you with these four students, Kaylie Gonzales, Madison Morgan, Zayna Cunodal and Ethan Chapin. May they rest in peace and their families get comfort. Thank you. I'm behalf of myself, Bill Cannon and Professor Mike Geary. Thanks for tuning in. Have a great day, everyone. Thank God, bless.

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