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What's up everyone and welcome back to the program.
When it comes to Brian Coburger and the murders in Moscow, one of the biggest pieces of
evidence that the police have in their possession most certainly is his vehicle.
Considering how gruesome the crime scene is or was, you would have to think that Brian
Coburger had blood on him or some sort of DNA on him if he's the man the government
telling us he is when he got into that vehicle and if he did and there was any DNA on him
whatsoever, they're going to be able to find it in that vehicle.
They're going to pull everything apart like we saw in the warrants.
They pulled out the cushions, they pulled out the visors, everything.
They're ripping it apart and they're testing all of that material that they pull out.
And if there's even one little speck of DNA on that Brian Coburger is as good as cooked.
I would be shocked at this point if it comes out later on that they didn't find any DNA
in that car.
If they didn't find anything in that car, that might be something that goes as a checkmark
towards Coburger, right?
As far as the jury's concerned anyway, his attorney can get up there and say, look, there
wasn't any DNA in this car.
You mean to tell me that this dude went in there and killed four people and didn't bring
any DNA with him back to his vehicle?
That'll be the argument if they can't find any DNA here.
So it's going to be interesting to see what they pull from this car when all is said
and done.
Today, we have an article talking about this from Newsweek headline.
Why Brian Coburger's car could be a key to the case according to a former CIA officer.
This article was authored by Kalita Rockman.
Brian Coburger's Hyundai Alantra will be the key to the case against him according to
a former CIA officer.
I agree with that.
I think that this car is going to pay off in spades when all is said and done.
And I think that literally it's a rolling crime scene.
Unless he had plastic everywhere in the car, you know, over the seats everywhere, I mean
everywhere, chances are these investigators are going to find some DNA.
Number 28 is accused of breaking into a rental home in Moscow, Idaho in the early hours
of November 13th and fatally stabbing Kayleigh Gonsalvis, Madison Mogen, Zanna Kernotl,
and Ethan Chapin.
The four were students at the University of Idaho and at the time of the slangs, Coburger
was a PhD student at Washington State University in nearby Pullman.
He has not yet entered a plea to four counts of first degree murder and one count of burglary,
but a previous lawyer said he was eager to be exonerated, a preliminary hearing is scheduled
for late June.
And we know that he is going to plead not guilty at this point.
There's no way that he's going to get up there in June and say, yep, you know what?
I did it.
I'm willing to take my punishment, especially now that we have heard that the governor
has signed into law, death by firing squad, pretty sure Brian Coburger doesn't want
to deal with that.
This search, Coburger's Hyundai Alantra, as well as his family's home, following his
arrest at his family's home in all Brightsville, Pennsylvania, and we went through that warrant.
And in that warrant, it told us what they took out of that car, a whole bunch of stuff.
I mean, a shovel, tire iron, the visor seat cushions, the door handle, all kinds of stuff.
And all of that stuff is going to be run through the ringer and tested for the DNA of the
Moscow Four.
They took a door panel seat cushions, headrests, the seat belt, a visor, and break in gas pedals
from the car, according to court documents, unsealed earlier this month.
Police also seized hiking boots, a shovel, goggles, gloves, floor mats, a bandaid, maps,
documents, and other items from the vehicle.
So he had that shovel in there, those hiking boots.
My guess is this, folks, and this is what I've said from the beginning.
After Brian Coburger allegedly murdered the Moscow Four, he took that long route home
so that he could get rid of all of this shit, have a burn pit, dig a hole, whatever it was.
And that's where the shovel came into play.
As far as the hiking boots, who knows, living out in Idaho, Washington, you know, Pullman
area, hiking is a big activity for people.
I don't find it that strange that he had hiking boots in his car.
In fact, I keep a fully stocked bag in my car, just in case I ever want to go climb or
go on a hike.
So I understand that part of it.
But when you look at it in the totality of what happened here or what the government
tells us what happened anyway, there's no other reason for him to go home the long way
like he did, unless he's trying to get rid of some kind of evidence.
That evidence will be crucial to the prosecution's case, Tracy Walder, a former CIA officer
and FBI agent told news nation.
I've always felt that the car was the key to this case.
And I've said that really all along, she said, and she has been pretty consistent with
that commentary.
And once we found out about the car, I knew that eventually when they found it, it would
be a treasure trove for the investigators.
Because there's no way that he hid all of that DNA if he had it on them when he got
in that car.
Some of it got somewhere and with as crazy as the forensic teams go looking for this stuff,
once it's in their possession, I find it hard to believe that they're not going to come
away with something and something significant.
They did say that in the warrant that became unsealed that the car really had been disassembled
completely by law enforcement.
And that's what you'll see a lot in cases like this, drug cases, the cops will pull your
car apart until it's nothing but bolts.
She said investigators would be searching for any biological evidence that might have
been left in the nooks and crannies of the car and checking if the vehicle had been tampered
with in an attempt to cover up any crime.
And what they'll do there is they'll look for any kind of excessive cleaning, any kind
of substances used that shouldn't be used in a car, you know, bleach stuff like that.
And all of that sounds insignificant.
But when it's added to the totality of what we already know and brought before the jurors,
it's going to weigh very large and heavy.
Experts have previously told Newsweek how prosecutors could use co-burgers vehicle to make
the case against co-burger.
If investigators have identified blood or any other trace evidence from the victims
in co-burgers vehicle, that would be huge.
Joseph Geocloney, adjunct professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice said,
if they can uncover evidence of trying to get rid of evidence such as bleach, that will
also be damaging for the defense.
Absolutely.
You know, all of these little mundane things, they don't seem like they are important
or like they matter, but in the grand scheme of things, when we're talking about the totality
of the case and presenting the evidence as a grand sum to the jury, all of that stuff
is super important because they're all ties that bind.
And when you weave a web like this, all of these ties end up connecting to each other
and that's what gives you as a prosecutor, a winning case.
Others honed in on co-burger as the suspect in the killings after searching for a white
sedan that was seen near the home at the time of the killings.
According to the probable cause of David, investigators narrowed the vehicle down to the
2011 through 2016 White Hyundai Alantra and told regional law enforcement to be on the
lookout for a vehicle matching that description.
And when they first came out, remember, they weren't willing to say if he was a person
of interest or just somebody who had critical knowledge of the murders.
And a lot of that was gamesmanship on behalf of the prosecution.
On November 29th, a Washington State University officer found a 2015 Hyundai Alantra registered
to co-burger another officer that day saw co-burgers vehicle in a parking lot, looked up his name
and noted he had switched his car registration from Pennsylvania to Washington on November
18th, five days after the murders, completely suspect, even though it was due to be changed,
when your somebody who committed a murder or murders, like they say Brian co-burger did,
the last thing you want to do is get on their radar at all.
He should have got rid of this car right away.
Hell, he should have never used this car in the first place to commit these murders.
Talk about world's dumbest criminals.
The affidavit said investigators looked at co-burgers history and saw he had given a deputy
a cell phone number during an August traffic stop.
They used surveillance footage and cell phone data to sketch out a possible travel route
on the night of the killings FBI agents later surveilled co-burger as he made a cross-country
drive with his father in the Alantra to his parents' home in Pennsylvania in mid-December.
So this guy knew that everybody was looking for this Alantra and he still had the audacity
to drive it across country with his dad.
Imagine having that kind of hubris and at all points to him being a narcissist.
He was arrested after DNA recovered from the trash discarded from the family's home
was connected to DNA found on a knife sheath found at the crime scene.
Look folks, there's no doubt that the car is going to prove crucial here.
And the question obviously is have they found anything in that car?
And we just don't know yet what we do know for sure is that those warrants were executed.
And we know that those items were taken from the car and they're now being tested or have been tested.
And if it comes back when those results are in that there's any DNA from any of these
victims in that car, well folks, you can line Brian co-burger up right against the wall.
All right everybody that's going to do it for this one.
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