Buck Brief - Should America Have 100 Times More Capital Punishment?

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Welcome to buckberry if Jeremy Carl with us now he is fearless

He is brilliant and he has been through the ringer recently

So we're going to talk to him about some news of the day some these big crime stories and the stat that has gotten a lot of attention

For example 356 people in New York City who were involved in shootings in 2025 were black two of them were white

That's a pretty big disparity for a city of 8.5 million people

I think we should talk about criminal justice policy a bit

But before we get there our friend Jeremy Carl author of the unprotected class sir

You just uh you just got put through it a bit

Well, you tell everybody you were up for a job for the state department and the long knives came out from some senator

What happened?

Yeah, no thanks. I was I was up for president nominated me for an assistant secretary of state position

And uh that's required senate confirmation and went up before the senate and the democrats

Having read all of my writings and all of my tweets and listen to every single podcast

I've been on and I don't mean that with any exaggeration

Had a list of all the horrible things that I've said which they yelled at me about

And they convinced at least one squishy Republican

To perhaps be nervous about me as well. So I wasn't going to get confirmed unfortunately

So I had to withdraw but it was a really interesting experience to go through who who was the Republican squish

John Curtis former chair of the Utah County Democratic Party

Been making some news for other areas in which he has perhaps not been

Such a stalwart ally of our party recently, but I'm going to try to take the high road

I don't want to dwell on you know any one person in particular, but we've just

You know, we've got some challenges the party. We've got to address. I'm gonna tell you something

Because I I can do whatever I know I get to be a bomb thrower my friend. I could do whatever right so I'm a talk radio

In fact, if anything, I'm probably too nice

Utah you talk produces some of the worst Republicans of any state in the country

It's it's not just the this senator being squishy. I don't know what it is. I love the people of Utah

I go to Salt Lake City or I particularly get outside of Salt Lake City a little bit

Even Salt Lake and I have all these Utahans who listen to the show who I'm I love I'm totally lined

I did a big event in Utah about 18 months ago like 800 people there

They're awesome and at that event by the way

I was like what is it with you guys having a squishy governor now. They've got this squishy senator

I'm like it's Utah. This is like how do how do we get these weak Republicans in super red states?

Yeah, it's it's fascinating and the only way that we got Mike Lee who is actually very good

Overall in my opinion is that there was some stuff that activists did

At the party convention to kind of stop the very squishy senator who he replaced

But if it had just been up to kind of the median Utah voter we might have had a little bit of a difficult time

So it's a challenge, you know

It's supposed to be a conservative state

But the politicians they're off and not very conservative. What can I ask you? I mean, I'm going to so I guess can I ask you

It's a variable but but yeah, I'm about to

What was the thing they thought you said that was the worst thing?

Oh gosh, I mean they literally had poster boards of my greatest hits that they put up

I'm not kidding and I love your stuff so I'm wondering what I'm gonna get canceled for I'm like I'm a I'm a I'm a

Jeremy Carl fan. What am I gonna get a trouble for go ahead?

Well, you know, it's sort of funny and I think you know my nominations team which is so buttoned up was kind of a problem because afterwards

I wanted to see whether I could get the poster boards to you know take take as souvenirs for my wall

Because I was like, yeah, these are some pretty juicy ones

But you know look I mean

I would totally stand behind and a couple of them were like you know because you're talking all the time

Not everything you say is the perfect thing that you'd love blowing up in 92-point type

Sitting in front of the Senate, but yeah, you know, just things related to race things related to

That they hit me on feminism

Other stuff so they there was just there was a parade of horribles. I was the proverbial basket of deplorables all wrapped up in one

One person and that's just how it was

I think we're at this phase where we just have to keep pushing and keep fighting and stay on offense as much as possible

For example, you know, I'm here in the great state of Florida

Which I will say I think you know monta okay, I know a little bit about Montana politics not not that much

But enough to know you're one of these states correct me if I'm if I'm off here

Has it's it's red, but it has this huge squawth of independence

So it's a little bit

funkier and actually a little more

Democrat leaning in some ways than a lot of people would think it's not yeah

It's not like a bright red state. It's it's got this whole independence streak like like everyone's an extra on a Taylor Sheridan show

Yeah, that might be a good way of putting it

I think if you look at the people who are moving here

There's no question we have the numbers that it's clearly trending to a more deep red

But I think a lot of our politicians unfortunately in Montana still have not gotten the memo and a lot of them are still probably

A little bit more aligned with the Democrats than they really should be given our voter base

So I mean if you look since 1948 Montana has

Supported the Democrat. I think me you know, maybe one spill Clinton won a three-way split with paro

We took like 36% but he took the state. So it's it is a pretty Republican state, but there's a lot of

A lot of Republicans who are independent in perhaps not the best ways to be independent

Yeah

All right, let's just one thing I want to mention for when before we get into the crime talk because I want to get you into some trouble

Because you know how back in a peak compared to the Senate stuff where it's all

Walk in the park it would be a kick walk a pair to that

The the

Rule that I forget what it's called if Clay was here he would be shouting it because he knows sports stuff

But there's a rule that you have to I you have to interview in the NFL

uh

Minor like I think I don't know how many at least one I guess but you have to interview a minority coach before you hire a coach

And I believe the Florida attorney general is challenging that in the state of Florida

And I see it here and I go

Yeah, cuz that rule is flatly unconstitutional everybody

This is uh, we need a whole reset of the thinking of institutions

Including the NFL if they're in America the Constitution applies

You can't have these racial quotas racial set-asides racial laws anymore. It's illegal

Yeah, no absolutely and and my friend harmy dillon who's running up a d i j civil rights division has kind of just been doing that right

The the illegal stuff has been going on for so long in plain sight that people weren't even challenging it

And now people like the Florida AG

I didn't see this story today that you just mentioned are coming up and saying hey wait actually you know

This type of racial

Profile in politicking whatever you want to call it is in fact against the law

And it's one of the reasons why I've actually been a little bit hesitant as has harmyt about people saying

Oh, well, we just need to get rid of all civil rights laws

I mean we do need to do some very fundamental reforms of certain civil rights laws

But there's also times where we just need to enforce the laws on the books to say

Yeah, that actually means you can't discriminate against white people as well

And that's what we've kind of got here

This is one of my big things on immigration as people keep saying

I said before you're allowed to say congress needs to pass a law to address

I insist that everybody look at what the laws actually are

Because

Things like repeat entry after a deport to it's a felony

Yeah, punishable of the 10 years in federal prison like if you get deported and you come back

That's already a felony

But they never enforce it. They will not do this. You know that this is and it's the same thing with civil rights laws

They're writing the books

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Jeremy I

Were at this point now I could pick any number of stories the guy in Seattle who murdered a woman

They say he's crazy and now he gets

Sent to a psychiatric facility where he could theoretically be released at any time right they decide that this guy's fine

They can let him out and people say oh that won't happen really

Really?

Uh, we'll see about that um

The story of the illegal the illegal that killed the the college student what in in Chicago

I mean there's all these stories across the country and one thing keeps coming up so many of these democrats

Will not change any of the policies and and it's really more about policy than law because what it is is

They refuse to actually use laws on the books as tools of enforcing the law

Yeah, absolutely. It's nuts and I mean, I want to say this and it's going to sound a little extreme

Maybe to some people but but maybe not in in this conversation, but but I mean it actually very soberly

I think we need to be executing about a hundred times more people than we are

We had 51 executions the United States last year. It shouldn't be a thousand 51,000 be way too many

Uh, but 510 wouldn't mean up but they're about 5,000 guys who are either

Murderers or repeat serious violent offenders who have were serious about crime prevention

We need to just use the capital punishment tools that are on the books stop having these ridiculous things where people are on death row for 30 years for crimes that

Everybody knew that they committed and we need to get we need to get serious about capital punishment about

enforcing the law so we have long prison sentences for violent felons whatever have you

And you know, we're just not there yet and of course the democrats are always throwing a wrench into the works

I just I feel like the way though democrat mentality on this stuff

Here's an example this you might have seen this I grew up on the the Upper East Side of Manhattan

That was my my neighborhood and

So really I should be the one wearing a blue blazer and a button down shirt, but that's okay

You're you're looking much more dapper than me today

But I grew up on the Upper East Side and there was this incident in the in the subway system where an 84 year old

veteran was shoved onto the tracks by some lunatic with a long criminal history

He's an illegal alien arrested many times for serious crimes including violent crimes and this individual get shoved on the tracks

84 year old veteran dies

uh, and

You know now we're told oh what a tragedy, but it was an entirely and it wasn't just a preventable tragedy

This state and I mean that as in New York state or the city of New York under New York state jurisdiction

Should have prevented this like this man is dead because of idiot democrats in the prosecutor's offices in the legislative

Assembly it's just it to me it couldn't be any more clear. They're okay with this. This is the cost of doing business

It's nuts. I mean the the state and the city in this case is really an accessory to murder as far as I'm concerned

I mean you can't charge them unfortunately

You can't charge the people involved, but but it's outrageous right and and the fact that this person's here is outrageous

And the fact that we're not going to have I mean there's no question this guy did it right presumably

I don't know. I mean maybe maybe there's not video evidence, but it sounds like there is no there

There are tons of eyewitnesses. He's not even denying it the guy. I mean the guy did everyone saw

You should have a couple months of due process for whatever that looks like and then

You know a humane in my view because I'm not like a blood thirsty guy, but if you mean appropriate capital punishment for this crime and you're done

But but we don't have that and even if you don't you're not maybe as enthusiastic about

Uping the capital punishment numbers as me a humane like lifetime sentence and we're done and we're not sitting

They're talking about it and you know, we're not doing this for for every three years, whether he might be paroled or not

And just the other part of this that I find so enraging

Is that they they know that these people are a risk and they let them out anyway

And you know they they let them out and they'll they'll help them because this was in illegal alien by the way

Who'd already been deported already been deported in the case of this New York City murder was what this guy did

And so they make the decision hey, we have this dangerous felon in custody ice wants him

We though refuse to even notify ice

And and respect their detainer requests so so he can then be lawfully

lawfully taken and removed from this country

To me, I mean you use the word an accomplice to murder. I think that's absolutely correct

And you know one analogy that I did on radio Jeremy which feel free to ever borrow this or use this if you like

But it really resonated with people. I said here. I'm a dog owner. Okay. Are you a dog guy?

I like dogs well enough. Yeah, okay fair enough. Yeah, that's okay. We're still friends. So I'm a dog owner

I like dogs and if if I you know there's a there's a

A dog run right in my neighborhood here

if I saw if if I saw someone's

Dog was like a was like a pit bull that was running free without a leash and it attacked and killed a little poodle in that dog run

And I and I pulled it off and you know, I'm like, okay, I've got this thing

I've got it off and now I'm in control of it

And then I walked it over and I said you know

I don't want anyone to think poorly of pit bulls

So I'm going to let it loose in this other park and see what happens

Everybody would think that I was a monster and it was my fault

Yeah, cops are doing that in American cities with human beings who are violent criminals because they're illegal aliens

Every day every day all across the country. This is happening

It's it's nuts and I think the first person, you know, the first mayor or whoever it is

Who really cracks down on crime in a fundamental way and just changes the entire paradigm about how we're thinking about it

You look at what Bucayla did and I'll salvage. Yeah, we're dropped crime like 95 plus percent by just you know

Shockingly putting all the bad guys in prison, right? Like that's what it took and and shockingly

You know the Democrats have this theory that somehow there's this fixed amount of crime and that if you you put certain bad guys in prison

There's going to be more people who are going to come in and do the crimes

But in fact, that's not how things work

We could choose we could choose to have public order in this country and we simply don't

Because liberals don't want us to and conservatives have just not led aggressively enough on this issue

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so

Some of these centers can be senators can be put on notice on the Republican side

That's you know, we're watching all right none of this none of this week nonsense from them. I don't like it

That'd be great. I'd love I think the more pressure the better would really help on a lot of these guys

You let us know man because you're one of the good ones. Thanks for being here, buddy. Good to talk to you

Thanks so much Buck. It's real pleasure to speak. This is an iHeart podcast

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