Calls For Sheriff in Nancy Guthrie Case To Be Removed, As Reports Surface of New Masked Man Video

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Hey there folks it is Wednesday March 18th

Day 45 in the search for Nancy Guthrie

But these days some of the major developments and major headlines about the case are about the sheriff

And with that welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ

Robes this sheriff has been under a spotlight for a while

And a lot of it had to do with his handling of the Guthrie case

But now a lot of things are coming up don't have anything to do with the Guthrie case

Yes, so yes, Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos you've heard his name you've seen his face

He used to hold those press conferences and every now and then he'll speak to reporters about

Where they are in the investigation well now his job is in peril

There is a recall going on right now the Pima County Board of Supervisors is meeting next Tuesday

To discuss the way forward now that there is a growing outcry from folks there is a

Would be congressman someone running for congress who is maybe leading the charge but they want him out

They say that the handling of the Guthrie case was the straw that broke the camel's back

So there was other stuff their argument and we'll get into what these things are

But am I hearing you right that the Guthrie thing for them was just the latest if you will

He was already on the nights correct so they are claiming that he basically hasn't been honest about his work history

Hasn't been honest about his disciplinary record as a police officer and so they've gone back through

And apparently this past December under oath they are claiming that he misrepresented himself

And with that in addition to how the Nancy Guthrie kidnap in case has been handled so far

They want all of that considered and are asking the Board of Supervisors to consider either forcing a resignation

I don't know what the procedure would be going forward but the point is they want him out of a job

All right let me take one at a time here the two issues in which they say he's been dishonest

One of them has to do specifically with something essentially that was on his resume and in another having to do with his comment under oath having to do with his disciplinary

Action against him is that correct correct yes

Okay, let me so let's go with the with the discipline everything first

He was essentially saying no and this was under oath

Under oath he was being subpoenaed I'm not sure what that was in specific connection with but he basically said during a December

Deficition he was asked if he had ever been suspended during his law enforcement career

According to several news outlets he replied no

Even though El Paso police department where he once worked those records show that he in fact had been suspended eight times

That's a big difference

Okay, that's hard to for that to slip your mind

That's a maybe one 20 years ago maybe you forgot but that's a eight wow why geez

That is incredibly difficult to explain

So yes, so what they're going to look at is his work history misrepresentation and alleged false testimony those are the two big

Point of contention that they're going to be reviewing next week and the other issue having to do with some

They had to go back and correct the year this seemed like a minor issue with summer saying it is a big issue

Yes, so when he said he left his previous job it actually he was actually they claim forced to resign two years earlier than he said he left that police department

So they're saying that there was actually a disciplinary issue and he was allowed to resign if he hadn't resigned

He would have then faced disciplinary action among the allegations was using excessive force

Okay, but again you're saying and they are saying some of this was already boiling before

Correct again, it's been a month and a half since she disappeared so a month and a half ago and before that he was already under pretty intense scrutiny

It sounds like correct and so hearing directly from the supervisor the district supervisor who will be leading this board of supervisors discussion

Next week he has already given a quote to newsweek saying that the sheriff he doesn't think the sheriff can remain in his position

It is his belief that the sheriff will be removed and he said he has betrayed the trust that our community placed in him without that trust

He cannot effectively lead the department so this is actually a really big deal

That could have significant implications when you look at now what's going on on day 45 in the search for Nancy Guthrie

There had been some developments and the sheriff actually made some some pretty dramatic statements last week even on this case

See I wonder I didn't know about everything that was going on there before this case

And I there were times where I wondered about his standing in the community and in some of his behavior and what he was doing and why he was doing it

What might have been his motivations for this or that and he did look I know the national spotlight was on him so I gave him a break on it

But I wonder if any of what was happening was playing in how he handled things if he was a little nervous

It was a little too careful a little too aggressive. I don't know

He probably thought great this is exactly what I need the world spotlight directly on me when I already know my enemies are looking to have me thrown out

Now I've got a like I am literally under the microscope and he did acknowledge that this recall is happening

He said through I believe a state's a statement through a spokesperson

We are aware of the recall and it's the right of the people

So he's just saying let the democratic process take place

But he's just acknowledged that he's aware of the recall

He's aware that this process is about to begin and he will accept whatever is decided

Tuesday is the next one of the meeting

9 am local time Tuesday March 24th

But you know it's it's sad because this is just a distraction to the efforts that are certainly under way still

And I'm sure the Guthrie family this is the last thing they want to see now you've got this political issue

Where you got you know infighting within the different departments who are supposed to be collectively working to try and find 84 year old Nancy Guthrie

You can't be a very positive development for the Guthrie family to witness

Well you know even yeah on that end from the investigative end but Rose on a personal level too

I'm sure they have spent a lot of time with their share I'm gotten them know him and probably have talked to him every day

And some way for 45 days so that probably could sting we don't know what's going to happen with him

But this is all happening right now there's other thing about with the lawsuit

There was an inmate who was some reportedly sue for a million plus a dollar saying that he was mistreated

And something that the sheriff did

Rists his life while he was in prison so that's okay

It's got 1.2 million dollar lawsuit

You call that frivolous but still that's something that was also making headlines but as all this was going on

Folks there are there are some updates and the Nancy Guthrie investigations stay here we'll tell you what those are

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Welcome back everyone, it is day 45

In the search for Nancy Guthrie

And there are some new developments beyond just what's happening

And the drama surrounding the sheriff in this case

There are reports Fox News is reporting

That a masked suspect has been seen

On video

Three weeks before Nancy Guthrie was abducted

She was last seen January 31st

This image of this masked suspect

On, apparently on Nancy Guthrie's property

Was captured on January 11th

And there are reports now that police and investigators

The FBI specifically are going now

And asking neighbors and canvassing the area focused on two dates

January 11th and January 24th

And a lot of folks say this is a positive development

It sounds like they are acting on something specific

Yeah, there's a masked man in the neighborhood

How many weeks was this?

Three weeks before the actual abduction

That's huge, is it not? That's your guy

We have to assume that's your guy

So three weeks, that suggests a lot of planning

Casing the area, been in the neighborhood before

What that suggests is could, yes

This could be an enormous tip

And look, the sheriff at the end of last week reiterated

Something that we had heard him say before

That they believe and they still believe

That Nancy Guthrie was targeted

He said, quote, I'd be silly to tell people

Don't worry about it, you're not his target

You could be

And he went on to say don't think for a minute

That because it happened to the Guthrie family, you're safe

No, keep your wits about you

From day one, we had some strong beliefs about what happened

And those beliefs haven't diminished

That is fairly ominous

We certainly didn't hear that kind of language

In the early stages of the investigation

So it's interesting to hear that now

45 days or at least five, six weeks into the investigation

What do you make of that?

I would like for him actually to do press conferences

And do all this at one time

Because what's happened, Robes, he keeps sitting down

Doing these individual interviews with a lot of local affiliates

Sometimes national folks

And there's no real new update

So people are trying to pluck out any little thing he says

And everything now becomes elevated and a big deal

When it's not actually a big deal

And he has sent us all kinds of different directions

In some of these interviews

You know, we have decided multiple days now

In the last few weeks because we haven't given an Nancy Guthrie update

Because we didn't feel like anything rose to the level

But you'll know if you're on your phones or online

You'll see almost every news outlet

We'll find some way to take a little drip from either someone who's guessing

A former FBI agent who's looking at what

Whether or not they're using cadaver dogs well enough

Or trying to read the tea leaves about what the sheriff said to this reporter

So look, there hasn't been anything that has been overwhelming enough

To get back on and give anyone a real update

Except for this, I think, is fairly significant

It obviously is going to have an impact on this case

At the sheriff is removed

And speaks to just the level of confidence he has in the community

That has a huge impact on people trusting the police department

Coming forward to the police department

And look, while all this is going on

We know the Guthrie family and the FBI

Putting up billboards all around the area

They're still trying to reach anyone

It seems hard to imagine that if you live anywhere near the area

Or frankly anywhere in the United States that you haven't heard of this case

Well, except for the guy who remember they had him in custody

Who's Nancy Guthrie?

Yeah

He actually didn't know, I'm sorry, I just made me think of it at the time

When you said that

But yes, to your point and of this case, you said who could imagine?

Who could imagine?

There's no way we thought 45 days later

Look, there were times when he thought maybe she won't be found alive

But there was going to be 45 days out in zero clue

I still don't even seem to be sure what country they should be looking at

No, I mean certainly they've talked about how they did reach out to Mexican authorities

To keep an eye out

This is near the Mexico border, or at least close enough

Where it would be within the realm of possibilities that could have happened

But certainly this is, I'm imagining being a neighbor

And look, there have been neighbors in the area who say the FBI has come by their house

Five, six times to ask them different questions about different dates

Looking at more video, looking at more door, but there's a big concern now that

Folks, I don't know if it's every month or every eight weeks where you've got your tapes or your video recorders

However, you're housing it on whatever file

Deletes or replenishes, so they're just trying to make sure they have every bit of visual evidence

They could possibly have, but my God, I never would have imagined six weeks

After we first reported on February 1st that 84-year-old Nancy Guthrie was missing

Blood on her front porch steps

Eventually a masked man on a doorbell camera

It's still, we have, it doesn't seem as though we're any closer enough

That doesn't mean they aren't, but as far as we can tell

Yeah, they know that a masked man maybe came three weeks earlier

And that's about as far as it goes, so of course we will continue to keep our eye on this

And of course we'll jump on and give you all an update if it warrants

But we certainly hope that's the case for Savannah

We know she made it to the studios was it last week

And just a reunion with folks she hadn't seen in weeks now

But just can't imagine what she's going through

And no update when when she will go back to the today's show set

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