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The Pima County Board of Supervisors will consider next steps regarding Sheriff Chris Nanos, after a growing number of Arizonans say his handling of the Nancy Guthrie case is “the straw that broke the camel’s back.” Several news outlets are reporting the Sheriff was already under fire for misrepresenting his resume and allegedly lying under oath about disclosing past disciplinary actions. Meantime, there are reports of a new video showing a masked man at Nancy’s home 3 weeks before her abduction.
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Hey there folks it is Wednesday March 18th
Day 45 in the search for Nancy Guthrie
But these days some of the major developments and major headlines about the case are about the sheriff
And with that welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ
Robes this sheriff has been under a spotlight for a while
And a lot of it had to do with his handling of the Guthrie case
But now a lot of things are coming up don't have anything to do with the Guthrie case
Yes, so yes, Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos you've heard his name you've seen his face
He used to hold those press conferences and every now and then he'll speak to reporters about
Where they are in the investigation well now his job is in peril
There is a recall going on right now the Pima County Board of Supervisors is meeting next Tuesday
To discuss the way forward now that there is a growing outcry from folks there is a
Would be congressman someone running for congress who is maybe leading the charge but they want him out
They say that the handling of the Guthrie case was the straw that broke the camel's back
So there was other stuff their argument and we'll get into what these things are
But am I hearing you right that the Guthrie thing for them was just the latest if you will
He was already on the nights correct so they are claiming that he basically hasn't been honest about his work history
Hasn't been honest about his disciplinary record as a police officer and so they've gone back through
And apparently this past December under oath they are claiming that he misrepresented himself
And with that in addition to how the Nancy Guthrie kidnap in case has been handled so far
They want all of that considered and are asking the Board of Supervisors to consider either forcing a resignation
I don't know what the procedure would be going forward but the point is they want him out of a job
All right let me take one at a time here the two issues in which they say he's been dishonest
One of them has to do specifically with something essentially that was on his resume and in another having to do with his comment under oath having to do with his disciplinary
Action against him is that correct correct yes
Okay, let me so let's go with the with the discipline everything first
He was essentially saying no and this was under oath
Under oath he was being subpoenaed I'm not sure what that was in specific connection with but he basically said during a December
Deficition he was asked if he had ever been suspended during his law enforcement career
According to several news outlets he replied no
Even though El Paso police department where he once worked those records show that he in fact had been suspended eight times
That's a big difference
Okay, that's hard to for that to slip your mind
That's a maybe one 20 years ago maybe you forgot but that's a eight wow why geez
That is incredibly difficult to explain
So yes, so what they're going to look at is his work history misrepresentation and alleged false testimony those are the two big
Point of contention that they're going to be reviewing next week and the other issue having to do with some
They had to go back and correct the year this seemed like a minor issue with summer saying it is a big issue
Yes, so when he said he left his previous job it actually he was actually they claim forced to resign two years earlier than he said he left that police department
So they're saying that there was actually a disciplinary issue and he was allowed to resign if he hadn't resigned
He would have then faced disciplinary action among the allegations was using excessive force
Okay, but again you're saying and they are saying some of this was already boiling before
Correct again, it's been a month and a half since she disappeared so a month and a half ago and before that he was already under pretty intense scrutiny
It sounds like correct and so hearing directly from the supervisor the district supervisor who will be leading this board of supervisors discussion
Next week he has already given a quote to newsweek saying that the sheriff he doesn't think the sheriff can remain in his position
It is his belief that the sheriff will be removed and he said he has betrayed the trust that our community placed in him without that trust
He cannot effectively lead the department so this is actually a really big deal
That could have significant implications when you look at now what's going on on day 45 in the search for Nancy Guthrie
There had been some developments and the sheriff actually made some some pretty dramatic statements last week even on this case
See I wonder I didn't know about everything that was going on there before this case
And I there were times where I wondered about his standing in the community and in some of his behavior and what he was doing and why he was doing it
What might have been his motivations for this or that and he did look I know the national spotlight was on him so I gave him a break on it
But I wonder if any of what was happening was playing in how he handled things if he was a little nervous
It was a little too careful a little too aggressive. I don't know
He probably thought great this is exactly what I need the world spotlight directly on me when I already know my enemies are looking to have me thrown out
Now I've got a like I am literally under the microscope and he did acknowledge that this recall is happening
He said through I believe a state's a statement through a spokesperson
We are aware of the recall and it's the right of the people
So he's just saying let the democratic process take place
But he's just acknowledged that he's aware of the recall
He's aware that this process is about to begin and he will accept whatever is decided
Tuesday is the next one of the meeting
9 am local time Tuesday March 24th
But you know it's it's sad because this is just a distraction to the efforts that are certainly under way still
And I'm sure the Guthrie family this is the last thing they want to see now you've got this political issue
Where you got you know infighting within the different departments who are supposed to be collectively working to try and find 84 year old Nancy Guthrie
You can't be a very positive development for the Guthrie family to witness
Well you know even yeah on that end from the investigative end but Rose on a personal level too
I'm sure they have spent a lot of time with their share I'm gotten them know him and probably have talked to him every day
And some way for 45 days so that probably could sting we don't know what's going to happen with him
But this is all happening right now there's other thing about with the lawsuit
There was an inmate who was some reportedly sue for a million plus a dollar saying that he was mistreated
And something that the sheriff did
Rists his life while he was in prison so that's okay
It's got 1.2 million dollar lawsuit
You call that frivolous but still that's something that was also making headlines but as all this was going on
Folks there are there are some updates and the Nancy Guthrie investigations stay here we'll tell you what those are
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Welcome back everyone, it is day 45
In the search for Nancy Guthrie
And there are some new developments beyond just what's happening
And the drama surrounding the sheriff in this case
There are reports Fox News is reporting
That a masked suspect has been seen
On video
Three weeks before Nancy Guthrie was abducted
She was last seen January 31st
This image of this masked suspect
On, apparently on Nancy Guthrie's property
Was captured on January 11th
And there are reports now that police and investigators
The FBI specifically are going now
And asking neighbors and canvassing the area focused on two dates
January 11th and January 24th
And a lot of folks say this is a positive development
It sounds like they are acting on something specific
Yeah, there's a masked man in the neighborhood
How many weeks was this?
Three weeks before the actual abduction
That's huge, is it not? That's your guy
We have to assume that's your guy
So three weeks, that suggests a lot of planning
Casing the area, been in the neighborhood before
What that suggests is could, yes
This could be an enormous tip
And look, the sheriff at the end of last week reiterated
Something that we had heard him say before
That they believe and they still believe
That Nancy Guthrie was targeted
He said, quote, I'd be silly to tell people
Don't worry about it, you're not his target
You could be
And he went on to say don't think for a minute
That because it happened to the Guthrie family, you're safe
No, keep your wits about you
From day one, we had some strong beliefs about what happened
And those beliefs haven't diminished
That is fairly ominous
We certainly didn't hear that kind of language
In the early stages of the investigation
So it's interesting to hear that now
45 days or at least five, six weeks into the investigation
What do you make of that?
I would like for him actually to do press conferences
And do all this at one time
Because what's happened, Robes, he keeps sitting down
Doing these individual interviews with a lot of local affiliates
Sometimes national folks
And there's no real new update
So people are trying to pluck out any little thing he says
And everything now becomes elevated and a big deal
When it's not actually a big deal
And he has sent us all kinds of different directions
In some of these interviews
You know, we have decided multiple days now
In the last few weeks because we haven't given an Nancy Guthrie update
Because we didn't feel like anything rose to the level
But you'll know if you're on your phones or online
You'll see almost every news outlet
We'll find some way to take a little drip from either someone who's guessing
A former FBI agent who's looking at what
Whether or not they're using cadaver dogs well enough
Or trying to read the tea leaves about what the sheriff said to this reporter
So look, there hasn't been anything that has been overwhelming enough
To get back on and give anyone a real update
Except for this, I think, is fairly significant
It obviously is going to have an impact on this case
At the sheriff is removed
And speaks to just the level of confidence he has in the community
That has a huge impact on people trusting the police department
Coming forward to the police department
And look, while all this is going on
We know the Guthrie family and the FBI
Putting up billboards all around the area
They're still trying to reach anyone
It seems hard to imagine that if you live anywhere near the area
Or frankly anywhere in the United States that you haven't heard of this case
Well, except for the guy who remember they had him in custody
Who's Nancy Guthrie?
Yeah
He actually didn't know, I'm sorry, I just made me think of it at the time
When you said that
But yes, to your point and of this case, you said who could imagine?
Who could imagine?
There's no way we thought 45 days later
Look, there were times when he thought maybe she won't be found alive
But there was going to be 45 days out in zero clue
I still don't even seem to be sure what country they should be looking at
No, I mean certainly they've talked about how they did reach out to Mexican authorities
To keep an eye out
This is near the Mexico border, or at least close enough
Where it would be within the realm of possibilities that could have happened
But certainly this is, I'm imagining being a neighbor
And look, there have been neighbors in the area who say the FBI has come by their house
Five, six times to ask them different questions about different dates
Looking at more video, looking at more door, but there's a big concern now that
Folks, I don't know if it's every month or every eight weeks where you've got your tapes or your video recorders
However, you're housing it on whatever file
Deletes or replenishes, so they're just trying to make sure they have every bit of visual evidence
They could possibly have, but my God, I never would have imagined six weeks
After we first reported on February 1st that 84-year-old Nancy Guthrie was missing
Blood on her front porch steps
Eventually a masked man on a doorbell camera
It's still, we have, it doesn't seem as though we're any closer enough
That doesn't mean they aren't, but as far as we can tell
Yeah, they know that a masked man maybe came three weeks earlier
And that's about as far as it goes, so of course we will continue to keep our eye on this
And of course we'll jump on and give you all an update if it warrants
But we certainly hope that's the case for Savannah
We know she made it to the studios was it last week
And just a reunion with folks she hadn't seen in weeks now
But just can't imagine what she's going through
And no update when when she will go back to the today's show set
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