Can Speed Cameras Save Lives? Plus, Wi-Fi-Free Coffee Drama and RockBar Survival Stories

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If the was up is too elongated.

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Sometimes he does the was up.

And so it is in my head all the time.

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I don't know people think about it a remember Olivia do you know what this is do you remember this? I don't know if she's born

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What the oh, yes, they make fun of it. The screen movie

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No, I think it's making fun of the app. Okay. I'm pretty sure it's uh, yeah

Yeah, you miss some real quality advertising

Prior to your birth, Olivia

But you know what that's not what we're talking about today, but today we're talking about something very serious truly

I guess speed cameras. This is a big deal

So the city will likely be installing permanent speed clocking cameras along the central section of federal boulevard and

At the eastern side of Alameda

And this information was presented by Amy Ford from Doddy to the city council's transportation committee last week

Um, some interesting information in here the city says speed played a role in about 21% of crashes which feels

Lower to me than I expected. I don't know about you guys

Of all crap. I feel like speed played a role in a hundred percent of crashes

If a car is not traveling at speed

What is there like I don't understand this I just don't understand the statistic. I don't know what we're talking about speed over the limit

I think

I don't know but like I don't know. I've just like I've talked to enough traffic

Experts and like transit advocates and state street safety people

Like to shift my perspective on the way that our streets are regulated that I'm always now trying to think of like what is

What are we talking about here? How are how can we reframe our language around more like

Excessive speed and less around cars like I guess. I guess yeah excessive speed

excessive speed over the over the limit the whatever the limit is yes

Yes, which I think is also probably a contributing factor here in Denver where there are some streets that have like

Higher speed limits than maybe they should for what they're used for but also I don't know speed feels like a concept that people

Decide what it means or not

um

Because apparently the cameras will issue tickets for anyone going 11 miles an hour over the speed limit

Which is like the to me that's like the average

I feel like people drive at least that all the time so that's interesting every woman

I talked to a cop once or a guy who was in a cop training school back in when I was growing up in Ohio

He was like he had a rhyme for it and I guess this is just the rule there, but he was like

Under nine you're fine over nine you're mine

Yeah, I feel like that that tracks. I feel like I'm like I'm a I'm a wussy. I'm scared

I don't want to have an interaction with anybody so I'm like

five

five over

I've found myself I'm paying attention to speed more now that I drive an electric car based on like how much energy you use

It's like on your dashboard all the time you're paying attention to it and

So I'm trying my best to not like go over five miles over the speed limit

But everyone zips around me like I'm going 10 miles an hour. I know they like look at you like you just like killed their child

When you're going only five miles an hour over and I'm like sorry

I have anxiety whipped around like flipped off

So I think it's totally contextual

You know sometimes you're looking for a parking spot. You got to go a little slow

It's sometimes it's after midnight on i25 and it's like Lindsey low-handed mean girls the limit does not exist

Nice. Yeah, I guess I'm thinking like regular commuting

like

Driving down federal which I do every day almost and driving down alameda which I do every day almost and it's a long stretch of

Not pretty heavy traffic, but I don't know. I mean I I too

Paul I'm thinking about what you were just saying which is like

When we talked to two experts about this the design of the road that has maybe as much or if not more to do with it

And or it implies it implies things to drivers on how they should be driving or how they could be driving

Yes, that they released the number

That they would give the tickets that they would say it's a really miles an hour. I

If it was to come from I don't know that was just what was in the presentation

From from city counts. Oh, I must have missed that. I watched it on Wednesday

I missed it. I'm surprised they released that number because I'm like I want to left him guessing

You're like is it one mile an hour over?

Or is it yeah, that feels like a lawsuit waiting to happen actually

Yeah, it feels like people can push it now. They're like oh good. I can go 10 over just not anymore

So I don't know. I feel like I would have just left that left that up to this camera itself

Well, I think we need to talk about the vision zero of it all as well. Yeah, the vision zero plan

Which is to a citywide plan to make streets safer that had projected or where it was trying to accomplish

zero traffic deaths by 2030

um in 2025 Denver saw its highest number of deaths traffic deaths 93 which was the highest since 2013

um and 35 of those folks died while walking which was the highest tally over the last 10 years

So I don't think I mean maybe this will will help that but we're we're not doing great when it comes to vision zero

Well research would say that it does I mean street safety advocates would have been calling for these

Speed cameras for many years

And that's what led to this change like this this changes many years coming

I think that's probably helpful to tell people is until 2023

Colorado forbid speed cameras anywhere except residential neighborhoods within a construction zone and along a street that borders a park

Then some senate

Democrats

Including the late faith winter and Meg Frolic uh past gas Meg Frolic on our show

Past a bill allowing local governments to install them more widely and they were they cited frequently how they've been getting calls from

Bicycle Colorado was a big backer of this bill of street safety advocates saying that when there are these cameras and people start to learn that they're there

They will drive slower and this is one of the things that gets people to actually drive slower

So that bill allowed local governments to start installing these cameras more widely

It capped fines at $40 though they could double near schools

And then that's when the city of Denver started working on the program that has become the most recently this presentation

Although installation probably later this year and we don't know exactly where the cameras will be although we know some general ideas

But where they're they're talking about

Yeah, and Paul you're referencing Mayor Johnston's speed program which stands for system providing evidence-based enhancements in Denver

Which he unveiled in 2024 and yes this speed camera

Installation was part of that program along with uh

Adding speed limit signs and electronic signage that shows people how fast they're going. Yeah, which I also wonder if that matters

Well, I take it as a challenge, so I like it

Piece of the puzzle. I mean when the way the city talks about it is there's a whole ecosystem of things they're trying

Right, yeah, your speed is monitored by airplane your speed is monitored by drone

Those always for you know your speed is monitored by your mom

Really mad at you

But for how you're driving I also thought it was funny from the presentation

I learned that uh apparently the city of Denver already does do some speed cameras right now

But they're not physically installed in a place the way they're talking about

They're just people in vans

That had cameras and so they're just like clocking you from the back of a van

And I like to imagine that they're in vans that are like moving

And so you're trying to do a get a speed clock on someone from a

Man on someones going to call the cops and we're like there's this creepy guy videoing me from a white van

While I'm driving and it's really creepy me out. They're like no, that's actually like one of our employees

Broke the law right now. Yeah, you're actually under arrest

So there's two of those I regularly encounter one of them is on alameda on the way to Sharon and and what happens is there's a sign a couple of

I don't I don't know 100 feet before it that says photo radar on you

So everybody slows down

Creeps by the van and then speeds right back up same on spear bowl of our right by the mall

It's like like clockwork. That's how people treat it. They should secretly have him posted up in the emissions van

You know the one on like the augments secretly post him up in there

Well, it was it has me thinking about the conversation around surveillance like what are these where does this data go?

What are these are these cameras different because what we're just what we were just talking about with the vans that's like

That's your that's an old school

Speed enforcement van. I never thought twice when I got one of those tickets that has a picture of my face on it

Yeah, it's old school surveillance too. That's like rear window surveillance

That's like someone someone is watching you right now some person is yes is sitting there watching you

But I couldn't find anything on where this is this incorporated into that network of cameras that has been so controversial

I don't know I couldn't either I mean, but I think the data storage

Concern would be different because with the license plate readers

They want to store the data for future investigations where they have to tap into that data

So because they're trying to build that database. That's why it's useful to the police is because they have they can then go back and

Retray someone steps and probably find a suspect for a like would a given situation with a speed camera

What do you need to do really like do you need to go back and do that same kind of investigation or just need to like clock it

Collecting license plate at the very least. I mean certainly. I think if you're routinely

Getting these tickets you can assume that this will be collected because you will be getting these tickets and being cited over and over

That's true. They probably they definitely do they must but that's literally just on you

Breaking the law over and over again and any crime you do that you will be documented and surveilled

By doing that because that's how that works

When I was doing research on this at the 2023 bill the whole debate about it

This was a Republican talking point against the bill

I'm quoting from CPR. They say still some Republicans worried more cameras would create a quote surveillance state

And then this part's interesting and surmise that they could be used as a revenue generator for local governments

I did see that as a complaint a common complaint

This is just a speed a revenue

Literally happened in downtown Morrison. They it is literally a speed drop. I used to be a reporter down there

They've been known for giving out tickets because people I mean people go way too fast in there. It's insane

but

They installed this speed camera because they were not making money and it was literally a revenue generator

With this camera that was giving out tickets to people the times making money off

But and in that particular instance that is one of those spots that's supposed to sort of feel like a main street

But it's just a highway through a bunch of businesses and people walking everywhere

Yeah, like

Yeah, that's I don't know. I don't know how I feel about this. It's really complicated

But I I would love people to slow down the equity piece is interesting too. We could talk about that

Sure, yeah, I mean these speed cameras. I know one of the big concerns at the city council committee meeting that I watched

The first question asked of Amy Ford and the Doddy folks from councilman floral vdres was

How are you making sure that these speed cameras are not disproportionately targeting

Uh poor neighborhoods basically and you know, yeah, I think when folks saw federal and alameda

That's probably exactly where their minds went was like okay

So these speed cameras are just gonna be trapping a bunch of people who maybe can't afford the $40 ticket as well as the say

Westwash park folks on the other side of alameda and

Reasonable concern it sounded to me like Amy Ford and her team have been thinking about this for the last few years

The she said and her response was

They've been talking to the office of social equity and innovation about ways to mitigate this concern

including

putting

Waving tickets and affordability programs, you know around this

She's also said that their cognizant of this like neighborhood bias and their focus is on Denver's high injury network

Which are the streets that are account for the vast vast majority of traffic injuries and deaths

So that that happens all over the city those those streets are everywhere. That's that's not one neighborhood or the other

So when Ford is talking about the

The constraint of like where do you start? How where do you spend on these cameras?

She's saying we'll do different kinds of neighborhoods. We're not gonna just do

federal

Near alameda at that one crazy intersection where you live near brie

We're also gonna do near washington park on alameda or lowery

Which is that this is the specific place that she mentioned

You said you said eastern alameda specifically that's

Lowry area of alameda not the western side closer to federal

So that's the two spots. They're talking about rolling these out first

But they first have to get city council to approve an ordinance

So that's all gonna be coming later this month Amy Ford said is she's gonna lay out at their whole plan for this equity component and try to address these concerns from council

And I think flora viders would be the one to watch to me because she has both sides of that

Conversation happening in her district right like district seven really straddles that conversation between like baker and watch park and in our side of town

but it also speaks to

How roads are designed or not designed for safety in lower income neighborhoods like mine

Around I mean just if you just look at alameda at federal and alameda

Just sit there for an hour and watch the traffic and then go down to cherry creek and look at it

It's just it's totally different and I think just in design sometimes and

Um, I don't know. I'm just thinking about they've they've added medians recently along federal in the last couple of years

Which has been meant to slow people down I think but also and and also keep cars from just having total access to go back and forth

Perpendicular across those streets, but it also has created a lot of issues for pedestrians

But I've noticed they they just recently put in a light just for pedestrians in between a really long stretch where there was nowhere to cross safely

So I think that it is a bigger conversation about how they design and where they choose to put those designs

Of course, the other thing to watch going forward is c dot is planning to build a BRT line on federal and that's also in part

Help supposed to slow traffic because it you know depending on the design they ultimately go with would occupy a whole lane

I was down on cul-fax last night looking at the BRT construction during a show at the film war

A sold-out show at the film war during BRT construction. It was

In sane the traffic was nuts, but again, they're in the midst of the construction component of it. So um, but yeah

definitely something to think about and watch

Um, which side note did you guys know they closed the Wendy's next to the film war?

I had no idea. I was down on the Ogden. I was at the Ogden. It was boarded up. Yeah. Yeah, I had no idea

Wendy's been slipping lately anyway, and I say that as a proud Ohioan

I mean, Wendy's one of the one of the great brands to come out of central Ohio. I have a strong

I mean, I have a personal relationship to this fast food company, and I want them to be successful

And they have not been cut in the mustard lately. It's just the quality is not there. I'm so sorry

But yeah, too bad it's closed. That sucks. Good times right across the street. Yeah, that's where I went

There you go

Okay, well, we'll be watching. We'll see what city council says is this moves forward

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Um, let's start with Stacy and Whittier's comment

Olivia, would you read this comment?

It's about our recent conversation with our friend michelle jackson about Wi-Fi and coffee shops

Hi regarding Wi-Fi and coffee shops

I just want to give a shout out to honey hill and park hill this cafe slash coffee shop does a great job of finding a balance between people working and people finding community

It's always so busy

But they have bars along the windows and a large community table in the middle where people with laptops sit and then other tables in the patio

Are sort of reserved for regular restaurant use it feels really welcoming for all types of users because of both the setup and the super friendly staff

It's always loud and bustling, but they also don't mind if you sit there for hours on your laptop

Probably because they're doing great business otherwise. Thanks. I love this. I love this thought of the design the design of the space and how people

Use it is the message. Oh, this is how mango tree coffee is an angle wood. I love this vibe

This is a great vibe. I want to go check this place out. Yeah

This is this is a great. That's a great sort of middle ground. I like that option. Paul. Have you been to this place? Never heard of it

I think we all need to take a trip then. What is she saying exactly? There's like big communal tables

There's like a big table in the middle where people can all sit so they're not taking up a two person or four person table

Yeah, see that reminds me of thump and that is a place where you get a lot of like

remote worker warriors bringing in laptops. That's a very competitive place to find a seat

They they have Wi-Fi for a long time

And I remember talking to the owners when I was doing a story about this for the old business

Thing that I wrote for that doesn't exist anymore

I was writing about Wi-Fi and coffee shops and this guy told me a story about how someone once brought a printer

In to thump and flaunted down on one of those tables

They were and they had oh they had monitors and a printer at the coffee shop

So I think I was talking about

Depending on the space and how much space you give people they will take it

Some of these people some literally what I was saying yesterday

I'm like just the etiquette like don't bring your mechanical keeper. Don't bring your printer. It's not your house

I just

But that's what I love about coffee shops those people all like want to use them for something different

You know everyone comes in with a slightly different expectation sometimes I want to watch

You know Indiana Jones on my iPad with headphones in and not have anyone talk to me

But sometimes I just want to like listen to the people watching. I want to I do still is I got to tell this story

I was dying to tell this story when I knew you all were gonna talk about this

The change that's element was there they took the Wi-Fi away

Okay, so presumably they're trying to have like more interaction or like move people through it fast

Yes, right? Well, at least their statement was we want to create space for conversation and connection

I think they also mean flip tables

Just sure it's a business. Yeah, they're allowed

Um

But I was in Stella's like three months ago, and I had never witnessed this before

But there was a server who came up to the table next to me which was two young women the server was a young young man

And uh, he just started chatting up these girls and they were on their laptops and but there was it was a great conversation

And by the end of the conversation he asked them one of them for their number

And they arranged to go on a date

It went from 0 to 60 over the top of a laptop

Full-on romantic connection. It was beautiful. This guy he was spitting game. It was a it was

You're not in the park and she was in it. It was like it was so great

It was like young love. It was they would both just move to Denver

They were bonding over like having found this cool coffee shop. He was like yeah, they they hired me

They're so great here. I was like oh man show it to that guy. It was incredible. And this kids

This kids is how people used to meet in the 90s

Stella's keeping it alive. I'm like us somebody who works at coffee shops occasionally

I'm like I'm always looking for an excuse to like do something other than what I'm supposed to be doing

Even though Paul's on this call and he's my boss. I know it's like your work literally like someone come and talk to me while I'm on my laptop

Yes, please. I would love to talk to you. Oh, I'm the opposite. I'm like, please get away from me

I would love to chat like I would love to hear about your children like I would love to hear about your childhood trauma

Tell me I'll hear it, you know

So like they're like oh, they're just buried in their laptops. I'm like I'm not I'm listening to your stories

I'm listening to your conversations. I'm locked in

I would still I would still love to hear from some maybe some Stella's regular to have

Whether this change and how they feel about it because it is it's an it was an interesting place to me to to see this change happen

And based on what that coffee shop is often used for

Stella's is it still a hotty hot spot? It's been there since 1991 you guys. That's like

Pretty I mean, you just don't see that Denver anymore. I have one more take on the coffee shop thing

I don't I think you all mentioned Pablo's on sixth being famous for not having Wi-Fi

It's kind of one of their thing part things of their brand you go there. There's no Wi-Fi

That's just how it is. That's what Pablo's has always been

Not no longer the case with the Pablo's on 13th and pen. I was in there and their other one on cofax

I don't know about that one you tell me but the one on 13th and pen they they said

They had a little tag with the Wi-Fi in a password and I was like what the hell is this?

There's Wi-Fi now and they were like yeah, it's our 30th anniversary

And I was like so why'd you guys do it and the guy was like it's our 30th anniversary and I was like

Doesn't really answer my question, but okay

Appreciate it. Good to know that you guys have offer this 30 you get Wi-Fi. Yeah. Thank you for the code

I actually called Pablo's to check that and she was very nice. I had called after I guess I had called after that one was closed for the day

And the cofax one was closed for the day and she said so if you're coming in today

Yes, the sixth avenue one is still open till five, but we don't have Wi-Fi but the other two regularly do so

If folks were wondering I did not know that and I would have not known that and you not sort of nudged us to check that out

It's new at the cofax one or if they have started because I think that's the newest one

Yeah, it is. I'm not sure to be honest with you

One more comment from yesterday that undead Caesar on red it said also Olivia talkable Cantina is coming to DIA

I think it's set to open next month

But haven't seen an updates since last year because you had mentioned earlier this week Olivia that you would like to see a Taco Bell Cantina in the McNichols building on civic center park

Yeah, I just wanted to respond to this. I know that they're putting one in at the airport

I think maybe terminal A

But I usually fly southwest so I'm never in terminal A, but also I don't feel like I can really fully experience the Taco Bell Cantina if it's at the airport

Because I'm not usually like you know in the space to chill

No, I'm just not give a lot of weight over I'm not eating like crazy at the airport. I'm not gonna get

All the things I want to get at the Taco Bell Cantina if I'm about to get on a plane like for the safety of others

I am not yeah, don't bring Taco Bell on the plane. No, I don't want to get on the no fly list

You know, I'm not I'm not going ahead. She doesn't want to fart her way on to the no fly list like I'm sorry

I enjoy I enjoy Taco Bell and I want to enjoy it to the fullest and that's not in the airport for me personally

This not a safe space to enjoy Taco Bell and so

Yeah, I would just like it you know in the middle of a park sounds much better a lot of open air and just enjoyable

So that's my reasoning that's my reason

But I do I do appreciate the appreciate the FD update

Oh

Okay, so earlier this week on socials

I was talking about rock bar, which is a bar that used to be in a space called the All-in-Motel at Colfax in Milwaukee

This hotel or this motel has recently been renovated. It's about to open

It was really kind of a flop housey motel for a long time

But it had a long storied history to be fair

It was one of the first motel like motor lodges on Colfax when Colfax was really the main road in

To Denver before i70 and i25

But in the early 2000s it was this bar there called rock bar and it was here for about six

Issues years, but it really left a mark on people and I remember this

um, I

Had just started my sobriety journey a month before rock bar open, which actually thank you to the gods because I may have accidentally

Killed myself at rock bar the way that we were all behaving inside of that space

But I asked folks to share their survival stories of this bar

For folks that didn't live it the thing that's being epitomized now is Indie Slees

This would be Indie Slees this space is the epitome of Indie Slees drinking very cheap alcohol

Dancing it's just it was it was it was a it was a wild space, but um skinny jeans skinny jeans white belladora

I

Mile high soul club launched there DJ Tyler Jacobson reminded everyone, which is an ongoing night still

Um, it was a great it was a great part of here great music if you

Remembered being there to listen to great music. It had a dance floor

But the dance floor itself also was surrounded by the there was a dance floor and then there was carpet and this was something that folks brought up over and over and over and over again

Was the sticky carpet so

On our Instagram Tristan Chan over at porch drinking said rock bar was the true goat so many hazy memories so many shoes

Lost to that sticky carpet surrounding the dance floor and I maintained that I survived COVID solely because of the immunity

My body built up from rock bar ropes

So nice

Um my friend marica said mad dog bottle service so if you ever wanted to be served cool-aid colored alcohol

The cheapest alcohol you can buy in a bottle. They served it bottle service style at at rock bar

Um

But I think the most fun story I saw was from a Abby Palmer. She's a massage therapist here a massage therapist to the to the artist

You're in Denver and she said I went to a party there during the DNC and with and half the way Susan Sarandon

Spike Lee and more it was magical

That is

It's not a night you have that's a night you have a New York City

That is a rare night in Denver and I just can't even

I can't even picture it, but I just wanted to share some of those stories because it was so fun to see people

reminiscing about this place that was truly

Most of us were not having our best moments in that space, but we really

Do not

Is there a place in Denver that you think has got some of that rock bar energy today?

I would say the hide I still embodies a little bit of it, but it's definitely much

Uh, it's not sticky and it's definitely not as uh

Like it feels like it said it was a scene, but also gross. Oh hundred percent. I mean, it's kind of what bar bar was

Yeah

Yeah, I don't know where that would be because I was thinking the grossness. I'm thinking like the dirty duck

The dirty duck has that gross kind of shabbyness, but it's not cool. It's not yet. Well, it's a different kind

That's like a true dive to and rock bar was one of those things that sort of Bay

I'm out of nowhere was a dive like it wasn't it wasn't like well-worn old school place that had been there forever

It appeared and it was a dive bar

It just like the nature of the space was like that

But I would love to hear from listeners what the current day version of this is because I have to say I'm probably not someone that's going to

This kind of space. What's the bar on Broadway that has a boat in it that's kind of a scene or was when I was doing this kind of thing

It's like five years ago

Oh, are you think it used to be BJ's carousel maybe the dive in maybe boy face

The die I think it's the dive in Paul. I think you're right. I think I think it could be the dive in yeah

I don't know this stuff. Yeah, let us let us let us know what the new what the 2026 version of rock bar is

I would love to know if you do you know do you have one? Yeah, you're the age

I think it's grubby and a seam. No, I buy cute shoes. I don't like to go to places that they stick to the floor

I don't I

I didn't college. I don't I spend too much money on my shoes like I don't want them to stick to the ground. I

Sorry, that's it. Okay real quick before we go. I love this this question from Joanne a P

She says mom of a 14-year-old here in Denver with a curiosity for other Denverites

What are teenagers supposed to do over the summer? Didn't Denver used to have a youth employment program?

All the teens I know were over camp would love to make some money and don't have many low-cost

Activities to do have you noticed how boring cherry Creek mall is for a teen and why is bowling so expensive?

I'd love to hear a show about third spaces for teens and ideas to keep teens busy safe connected and engaged over the summer

Thanks. I love this. I have some thoughts. But Paul, what do you think it? Oh God? I don't know

Where did the children I don't know what teens do are you kidding me? I have no idea

I thought you had an answer. I was I'm sorry. I was I was handing you something because I thought you have a homework answer

I have I have a vegetables answer

Do your summer reading

Do your science summer reading?

Start thinking about your college applications, huh?

No, the city has a program. Well, they'll pay you 250 bucks if you get a job and you're a teen

So you could get involved in that but

That's not going to be that's not what anyone wants. That's not bowling

No, well, but the teen jobs thing is a good question because I think that those jobs maybe aren't as obvious as they used to be

I've talked about this on a show before of a pirates cove

That place is literally run by teenagers and one retired Nana who owns her snow cone machine and goes crazy

But everybody else there is like 15 perfect and that seems like a great place to work

I don't know if I mean lakeside hires teenagers. I think eeliches does

Kosovenida used to be the biggest youth employer in Lakewood

Does parks and rec here tire I think they do like that's who employed me

And considering when I was a camp counselor

Yeah, yeah, I think so because I remember my friend

Rosita's little sister was a lifeguard. Yeah, lifeguarding. I don't know

Set when she was like 17, but retail jobs usually are good

But as for stuff fun stuff for kids to do I agree. I think the Denver's really lost a lot of this

Like because eeliches used to just go in the 90s you go and just hang out there as a teenager all day and now they have like a parental

accompaniment

Situation going on I agree with her cherry creek mall is not really as nearly as fun

For teenagers as they like a Colorado mills mall is just go to bear creek lake park

Take a tube go float in the lake

Jersey mics take it with you in the cooler go float on the lake with your friends hang out on the swim beach

That's what I would do. I was a I was a storm drain kid though. I like to play in the storm drain

I didn't like the mall I wasn't allowed to go to the mall so I played in the storm

I played in the drainage ditch, but that's probably not the right answer

I uh, I worked at a summer camp every summer in high school. That was run by a family owned gymnastics school

Oh, why am C.A. They might still do summer camps. I mean, there's all kinds of

I mean, these are all summer job ideas. We used to have a great place called Celebrity Sports Center

Which was basically like an arcade and bowling alley that kids hung out at but I was a babysitter a lot

Did people hire babysitters? I thought you were gonna say did people hire you?

It's like people trusted you to watch their children. I have a very fun babysitter

Well, I'd love to hear your mother listeners. Do you have ideas for where teenagers could hang out in the summer and just like be teenagers and be unbothered

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