Carnell Tate: The Perfect Compliment for Nabers & Dart Does Exist

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Today we are talking about another draft profile.

It is wide receiver carnal tapes,

and we're starting with tape for a lot of reasons.

One, because we think if any receiver's in the mix

at five for the Giants, it's tape.

Two, because we think if any receivers

in the mix for the Giants, they trade down.

I think it's tape, too.

And we'll talk about why,

but I think he's by far and away the best fit

for what this team needs,

if they are too draft, they wide receiver early,

or really at any point,

what the prototype receiver that I think they need,

that fits start, that fits the current players

they have on the roster at receiver as well.

We'll get into all of that.

We'll talk about if he's worth drafting at five.

We won the draft night five.

We'll talk about a scouting profile that we have on him.

I watched a ton of tape on tape.

I've probably watched now more tape on tape than anyone,

because I watched originally Nick,

and then we did a bunch of shows for Beyond the Box War

this week breaking down fantasy profiles on rookies,

and tape was one of them.

So for with Jacob, I just watched a bunch of tape.

And I was like, I'll say this, Nick,

this is my first thing I'll open with and then we'll get to you.

I was way more impressed than I thought.

I was going to be watching his tape

and like, I was not even open to the idea of him at five before it.

And now I'm not saying I want it,

but I'm way more open to it than I ever thought I would be.

I can understand why.

I can understand why, man.

Look, he is a Brian Hartlein coach wide receiver.

Exactly.

He always hit.

They do always hit.

And we always say, don't scout the helmet.

And there is, there's a lot of validity to that.

But when that helmet is being coached by a technician, you know,

when when you, when you go through Ohio State,

you get the best coaching at the most formidable years

when you're trying to develop yourself into an NFL wide receiver.

And they all show, they all show up, right?

Like, whether it be Marvin Harrison Jr.,

and I know he hasn't worked out to probably the level.

A lot of people think JSN Wilson, all these guys, right?

Lave, Luga, it just keeps going on and on and on.

Yeah, it does go on and on.

And I really want to bring that up

because when you watch Carnell Tate's tape,

it is so, so obvious that he knows how to play wide receiver.

And it's going to be translatable to the national football league

because he understands how to attack leverage.

He understands how to win at the top of his routes.

He understands how to win at the line of scrimmage

with his release package.

Has great footwork, understands just how to uncover.

Like, to me, he reminds me of a route savvy standpoint,

a bit of like a Jordan Addison,

a bit of Devonta Smith only bigger, right?

Bigger than both of those guys.

Now, he's not massive.

He only came in into the combine.

Like, he was one of the combine losers people say

because he ran like a four, five, two.

And he was I think 192 pounds if I'm not mistaken.

But he still has like these massive frickin' mitts

attached to his arms.

He's like 10 and one fourth inch hands.

And the 40 are of a four, five, three.

That's still like not the worst for a player of his size.

Now, people will look at him and say,

this is a deep threat who ran in the four fives.

That's not necessarily ideal,

especially when a lot of people were saying

he was going to run in the low four fours.

But when you do watch him run routes,

I just, I can understand how he's going to create

more separation that will not be predicated

on what his 40 time is.

And I also have GPS data on this guy.

He reached like 21.9 miles per hour.

I think he even might have clocked 22 at 21.9 and 21.5

where his three fastest plays.

That was his three, like, so I think his play speed.

Passed by the way, yes.

I think his play speed is more than what a four, five, two,

or four, five, three would suggest.

So just overall, man, like I came away

more enthusiastic about his skills

after watching his film as well.

And he's going to be in consideration for the giants

and by the giants are considering him.

Cause I believe he had a top 30 visit.

If not, he's scheduled for one, right?

I want to say you already had it actually.

Yep.

I want to start with a few things

and unpack a few things you said.

The first thing is we always say on this podcast,

don't scout the helmet.

What we mean by that is don't say,

oh, Miami offensive tackles have never been good

from flowers 20 years ago to this guy 40 years ago,

or the quarterback for this team.

Just now you never see a Texas Tech quarterback work out.

They've all been bet.

Oh, wait, then there was Patrick my homes.

What we mean by that is don't say colleges

can't produce players.

What we don't mean, what the exceptions to that is

coaches can create players, man.

Like Brian Hartline is the best wide receiver coach

by foreign college football.

I would argue, dude, he's the best wide receiver coach

in the in the world at this point

when you consider the development of these players,

especially when you consider that all of these players

you mentioned by the way, Nick,

who came out of a house state

for all technicians and savvy route runners.

And they all win in ways that you see show up

with car and L Tate.

And that's why when I'm so excited to watch him

because like he's that receiver that if you're playing

off coverage on him and off leverage on him,

like inside or outside leverage,

he is able to beat you with his route running

with his ability to stand at the vert in the vertical plane.

And with his ability to just understand how to do

little things that I see like a ton of good examples

of him running a rock with the rocker step

that people talk about.

A ton of examples of him, like even getting his ability

to sink his hips on these double moves on the vertical plane

and then just create crazy separation.

So it starts with that, like his route running

is what makes him an amazing vertical receiver.

To me, it's so much more important, Nick,

to be able to run routes and to win as a vertical player.

Well, it's two things that I think make you a winner

as a vertical player at the NFL level.

It's your route running.

And like I said, when the player's an off coverage.

So that's what you see on tape when you watch Tate.

It's the ability to set up the defensive back,

get him off balance and then have that second move

that creates the separation vertically.

Or the second thing for me is your release

off the line of scrimmage.

Which by the way, people talk about with Tate

and it's just like the same thing with neighbors, dude.

It's like, well, there's not a lot of examples

in facing press man coverage.

It doesn't mean he can't beat press man.

It's just not a lot of examples.

But there are some examples of him with like that

quick split release off the line of scrimmage

where he then stacks a defensive back

and he wins vertically because he's done his job.

He's creating the separation with the release

and he stacks a defensive back.

To me, those are the two most important things.

And then the third for me is tracking the football,

which we'll talk about in a second

because I think he's the best in the class

by far at tracking on the vertical plane.

And one of the best I've seen in a while

when it comes to tracking.

And then locating the football with body control

and the ability to catch away from your frame with hands.

Again, thing he's great at.

To me, all four of those things, Nick,

are more important than your 40 yard dash of the combine.

Literally all four of those.

And I'll tell you why, John Ross,

Xavier Worthy, the list goes on and on and on

of guys who have insanely good 40 yard dash times

that aren't great vertical receivers, right?

We don't view them as that because they're not good at that.

They're supposed to be, they're speed supposed.

And technically, there are going to be some reps

where they make a defense look silly

because they can get that free release

and then just go.

We saw that with Jalen Hyatt, right?

All he was doing, all he had was free releases at Tennessee.

And he made defensive backs look stupid because of them.

But the reality is in the NFL most of the time

you're not going to be able to get that free release vertically.

And you need to win with the other four ways

that I broke down.

In my opinion, he's the best in a class by far at that.

And it's something that's really exciting to watch for me.

Like I feel like he does such a good job, Nick,

of any time a ball is thrown to him vertically,

even if it's under thrown, he just says such a good job

of tracking it, contorting his body to where it needs to be

and then using his big hands to tack away

from his frame and catch the football.

He's basically like the anti-diarrhea slate

on the vertical plane when it comes to like,

just when the ball is near him in the air.

Dude, the guy caught 85% of his contested catches in 25.

He had, I think over, yeah, he had over three yards

per route run.

That is, that's insane, right?

Like those are insane metrics for a wide receiver.

Now people will look at the totality of his stats

and be like, yeah, but it was only, you know, 875 yards.

Never had over 1,000 yards receiving, you know,

at only 14, like, I look at this dude and I'm like, yeah.

But if he played on a team that wasn't Ohio State

that didn't have Jeremiah Smith on the other.

You know what I mean?

Like, if people want to be in the contest,

yeah, exactly.

But people would be like, oh, well, Jeremiah Smith

was dictating coverage.

It's like, dude, there were times where like,

this guy is out running, like he is facing up

against number one corners and they are shading a safety

over to Smith's side or whatever.

Smith goes underneath and he's still defeating

the one-on-one matchups.

Like you can evaluate him independent of his situation

based off of the skill set, his route savvy,

how he wins, where he wins.

And it seems to me like all of those trades

do translate to the NFL, right?

This is somebody who is not deficient as an athlete.

I don't really care too much that he did run a four or five

because I see him beating good cornerbacks deep

and then having the concentration

and the tracking ability to come down with these footballs,

understanding where to jump, how to use his body

to shield it from defenders, understanding how to track it

and how to optimize coming down with that football, right?

Not just from like a high-pointing perspective,

but understanding the angle to take to the football

and then securing it through contact.

Like there's a, yeah, so thank you, thank you.

Yeah, now with Tate is, he's pretty exceptional

at a lot of those things.

Like I like smart football players, right?

We watch smart tough independent, no.

But I do like smart football players,

especially at a position like Wide Receiver.

You don't want like your guys like Kaderius Tony,

you want somebody who's gonna understand

where to be, how to be there

and then how to just do his job at the best of the ability

to maximize the reps that he gets.

And I think Carl Tate is, he epitomizes that

when it comes to evaluating a Wide Receiver.

Yeah, you're right, he maximizes.

And I love that you brought up these little nuances to me

are what makes a great football player

and even more specifically speaking,

what makes a great vertical player

at the receiver position.

Like as far as just like one thing

he said, like timing of the jumps.

Timing the jumps is so important

and he does such a great job.

He's one of the best I've seen in this class

at timing the jumps.

But like how many times do we see NFL players

miss time the jumps?

And then like that vertical shot turns into crap.

We see that all the time.

I felt like when I watched Quentin Johnson

for example coming out, like to me Tate

is such a better prospect than that.

And Johnson has like found his niche in the NFL,

you know, he's like runs the rail

and he's open on the rail

or he just does that like underneath drag

and he could like do stuff after the catch.

But like watching him, when I was watching his tape at TC,

he was like essentially just like missed time jumps

and all these just awkward looking catches

where he's just letting the ball come into his body.

It's the total opposite with Tate, man.

I feel like his ball skills are really freaking good.

Like if I'm just saying like,

is a guy worth a top five pick?

If it was just on ball skills and that exact metric,

it's not gonna ever be that, but that one trait,

he would be a top five pick easy for me.

One of the bad, I think he's in that Roma dunes

a class of like at the catchpoint and ball skills.

I would even say to me, he's a little smoother

and better at that.

And we'll get to my comp a little later

because I think I, I unfortunately told you

before the podcast that would have been more interesting

to hear your reaction live.

But we'll get to that a little bit later.

But that's a skill set that works at the NFL level.

We've seen it.

You know, when you told me a couple of years ago, Nick,

that you had watched the tape of Malik neighbors for me,

when you told me like, this is gonna be

a dancin' hour receiver.

You were right.

This is not a neighbor's type prospect.

Obviously he's not like explosive in an average break,

sharp cuts.

But for the bigger frame receivers,

like there's two, I view them as two different types

of receiver.

For this style of receiver, he's my exact type

for the bigger frame style receiver.

I want somebody who has the route savvy

and I'll say this, like as far as winning

on the vertical plane.

I remember who was one of the best vertical receivers

as we were growing up through fantasy football,

not more recent, pretty recent.

The Andre Hopkins was one of the,

in his prime with the Texans was one

of the best vertical receivers.

He's now like 30 whatever.

He's not as good of a vertical receiver.

So he still wins if you throw on the ball, just catch it.

He ran a 4.5.9 to the combine.

Did you know that?

4.5.9.

Okay, so let's like retire the idea people of saying,

like if you don't run a 40 time, you can't win vertically.

I actually think it's the opposite.

You win vertically if you show it on tape

and you show the ability to understand

how to win vertically.

I agree, man.

And one of the ways to win vertically is one thing.

But also you want to be able to threaten vertically

which he can do because his ability

to get in and out of his brakes on the vertical plane

when it comes to like running deep curls,

deep comebacks and things of that nature,

it's exceptional, right?

Like for a guy who is six to a little bit bigger

and like again, he's not like 205 pounds.

So he has sub 200 and there is something to that.

But holy crap, Dan, does he not sink his hips

and just get back to the quarter, run right back

to the quarterback, present those massive hands

and then just be a target who is open.

Like he can sell the vert, up his stem so well

and then just break it off so quickly.

Like like route, like being able to run routes that well,

that's going to create the throwing windows

and create the time that's going to allow the quarterback

to find you and it's just going to allow you to get open

at such an easier rate where

it doesn't necessarily matter if you run a fuck

or a frickin' four or three, right?

Like it doesn't, it doesn't,

it's not that big of a deal and a lot of people are saying

that the, who was it?

Was it Shepter through an agent more than likely

tweeted something about like how it was actually

like a four, like four or something like that?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because they started it wrong or something.

Regardless, man, he is faster play speed.

It's faster play speed and you watch it

and you can see that the speed is a little bit faster

when it comes to just a play speed perspective

and then you, you know,

taking account all the route nuance

that we're talking about and I think you have a solid,

I think you have an above average

to good, possibly very good prospect on your hands

at the wide receiver position.

I don't think he's, I don't think he is

close to Malik neighbors personally.

I would give him the Rome though.

That's where I was about to go.

Yeah, okay.

With Rome and Dunesay, I think their similar,

Rome was another one who was just excellent

at a contestant catch.

Like his contestant catch percentage, I want to say

was similar when it was like 80%

in his last season of Vermont mistaken, right?

I think there were more opportunities though,

whereas Carnot Tate only had 14 contestant catch

according to pro football focus in 2025.

I think Rome had a slightly more

and he was coming down with a lot of them.

I think Tate is a little bit more savvy

when it comes to the routes.

Even though Rome wasn't bad at that,

like I don't want to make it like Rome and Dunesay

was a bad route runner, that wasn't the case.

But there is a little bit more savviness

because technician is one of my,

the first words that come to my mind.

You would say give me like three adjectives

to describe Carnot Tate.

And deep ball winning contestant catch technician, right?

Right.

And all three of those.

And you think about it like Rome and Dunesay

definitely had the deep ball tracking, bigger body,

more physical than Carnot Tate.

But I think Tate is much more of a technician

than Rome and Dunesay was coming out of Washington.

Completely agree.

I think Tate was a better vertical receiver

than a Dunesay.

Although Dunesay had more vertical wins,

I think just because stupid Panic's offense

was just like chucking into space.

And that was what Panic's was good at too.

Yeah, and Panic's is great at it.

And especially against packed well defenses

with all that space to the field side.

Like it worked out, it was great.

And you have two other receivers

that have to get attention.

But like when it comes to Tate,

I think he's better as a vertical receiver.

But I do think that a Dunesay is better in other ways.

I think Dunesay is a better overall

like full route tree type of winner,

especially slants those quick and breaking routes.

I also think that he's much better after the catch

even though we haven't seen as much at the end of the level.

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I'll say this about tape.

My biggest concern with tape by far is after the catch.

Now, it's interesting though,

because you'll watch the tape and you'll be like,

wow, that was an unbelievable rep

from carnal tape after the catch.

Like he understood exactly,

he had perfect spatial awareness,

understood exactly where to take the cut and get vertical

and then maximize the space.

But then like you look at like just like the overall,

like you watch like four, five, six games,

you're like, but there are a lot of examples

of just no explosiveness post catch.

And then you look at the actual number

and he was like 224th among receivers in post catch yardage.

So it was like, it didn't check out overall.

There are great reps because he understands space.

But like as far as his athleticism goes,

it's not like that explosive stop and start you expect.

I mean, it's not that kind of player really.

So I think that's a little different.

Rome had a little bit more on that.

It was used a little bit more in the screen game.

But the big thing that you brought up that I wanted to touch on

because it must be said is like,

it cannot be understated that all the stuff

that people point to the analytics profile,

which is like what kind of people are now using

to dance over the grave of Matthew Golden

after just one season, the NFL,

which I think is very stupid

because his tape was actually good last year.

He just wasn't used.

But all that is used to kind of bury Golden.

Like we should have known Golden was going to be a bus.

He had a late breakout age and he had a bad production profile,

like not enough target bond.

Because they say like, you know, the best players

and it's hit for a lot of players,

but obviously it's because their stars

have like these great target shares.

But guess what?

Like you said, Jeremiah Smith is on that team.

That's the only reason.

There's context.

It's super important here.

Like he wasn't used.

He may be able to be a much bigger percentage of your offense

than anyone even knows right now.

Like remember, Nico Collins, we love him coming out of Michigan.

We love him to the senior one.

We're like, the quarterback play was just so shit

and the offense is keen with so bad

who knows what he can be.

That might be the case with a player like Tate

because it's impossible to be the number one target getter

when you have Jeremiah Smith on your offense.

Like we'll go into next year, Nick and Jeremiah Smith

will be the first non quarterback taken in my opinion.

It may be a tackle.

We might see, we'll see what happens.

But like, I would bet right now,

if I had to pick any player, it will be Jeremiah Smith.

That's the level prospect he is.

Yeah, he's, he's an unreal prospect.

And just watching the Ohio State film

and you see him on the opposite side of him.

Yeah.

Can't wait till next year to break this dude down, right?

But not a day.

Tate, hopefully we don't have to Nick actually.

Yeah, yeah.

Hopefully, Jeremiah's picking my, yeah, let's pick 30.

Let's pick here.

Let's pick 30 seconds, right?

Like last, I'll take 28, I'll take 28.

It's 28, the conference shot.

I'll take an appearance in the conference championship game.

That's true.

I don't know if I can guess for more than that.

Yeah, no, but more about Tate too.

We haven't even really talked about this.

Yeah.

It's fantastic catch, but like the guy doesn't drop passes.

Yep.

Four percent of his career zero drop passes last year.

Yeah, the guy doesn't drop passes.

Like he has that, and again, like his,

how big are his hands, like the 87th percentile?

Yep.

Like hand size.

Big freaking hands.

That, that, that mesh is very well with somebody

who was a vertical down the field type of threat.

So yeah, there's a lot to, there's a lot to like

when it comes to a car and I'll take

and what he can offer to the New York Giants.

And I think that's another like part to, to look at this,

right?

Like the Giants, if we want to transition to the,

do you want to go over maybe with some of his negatives

and then we'll transition to like the New York Giants,

how this fits in general.

And some of the negatives would just be like,

maybe he's not as, I don't think he's as good of a route.

I don't want to frame phrase it this way,

but his like deep dig routes and things of that nature

in breaking routes on the intermediate

to deep portions of the field.

I don't think are as smooth in and out of breaks

as it is on the vertical plan.

That doesn't mean he can't be a good route runner

when it comes to that.

I just don't think it's as smooth,

because I think he runs incredibly smooth routes

when he is on that vertical point.

I completely agree.

I think for me, it's the two negatives are,

I'm one more positive I forgot to mention,

but I just see it in my notes so many times.

Like from these games, I'm watching late hands.

I love those versus great, great point.

Great.

I love those receivers who are just perfect.

Like it just because another example being coached, right?

It's another example being coached, right?

It shows the IQ, it shows poise, it shows confidence.

Like it shows a lot of those little things.

You're right.

You can go a lot more often because you're running around

and you're like, I see it, I see it.

I don't want this, I don't want this.

Like you're playing, like not only are you worried

about securing the football,

but you're playing mental games with your opponent

to not allow him to know how imminent the threat is

of you catching the football, right?

Like, and I do appreciate that type of gamesmanship as well.

One more thing too that we have that he's a blocker, man.

And that's what I was going to say.

William, capable blocker with the frame to do it.

Yeah, William, capable blocker.

And that's something that I always want to watch.

The actual frame that can block.

That's the difference.

Yeah, you need frame.

It's great to have these showing shepherd type blockers.

They're awesome.

They're fun to watch, but they're also whatever size they are.

And you know, when you have somebody who's actually six

two with 87% dial hand size, you can become an elite blocker

with the right coaching.

I'm not saying he will, but at least that's in the, you know,

his frame makes it capable.

Now, as far as the late hands goes, I said like a couple

of times I want to know this in my notes.

Like late hands, even like when he's getting hit like

through contact, it's crazy how strong his hands are

at the point of catch.

That's why I compared that's why that's

the main, the way he looks and that and the way he tracks

is how I can bear it at my comfort.

We'll get to that now and then we'll get some negative.

My comfort him.

Oh, oh, wait.

Oh, and now I just want to add some more just, I don't know.

Yeah.

I didn't laugh to myself because like I remember 15 minutes

ago when you said the Darius, he's like the antithesis

of Darius late and I was just like, dude, he really is

because like when you go through and one of the mentioned

is in the positive, that's why I cut y'all's hard.

But like going through the Ohio State film, you're just like

every time the ball is in the air, you're like, he's going

to come down with it.

It's the exact opposite of it.

Yeah, but by the way, as far as like car ball goes and the way

we're trying to build a foundation, he's going to love that

about a player like this man.

He really is just going to love a player who's just smart

and dependable like we always say, like you know the monster

you say it however you like, but it's important.

Like it really is to come down with the football.

We had a lot of, we had a lot of drives and a lot of games

impacted by drops last year on the vertical plane.

These are big shot plays that could change a game.

He's got like magnet hands to the football.

It does feel like that.

Yeah, because he's just attacks so well away from his frame.

That and it's like under thrown passes.

It's yes, it's back shoulder passes along the sideline

overthrown like he understands where to be.

And that is just an underrated tree in a wide receiver.

He just understands where to be to maximize the ability

to come down with that damage.

It was one route.

I wasn't against Wisconsin.

That was the one where the Wisconsin was cool.

Where he just like got sandwiched and his helmet got blown up

and he still had the ball came down the ball.

That's how strong his hands are.

There was another route where he won vertically.

But and then he had to the ball was thrown.

Like he's he's coming up the right kind of up the seam

on the right side of the field.

The ball's thrown to his opposite shoulder.

And he has to like completely flip his hips around

and then high point the football.

And he does it like so smoothly.

It's just like, wow, that is star level rep.

It's not he may not be an NFL all pro.

I don't know he may be, but in that, you know,

regards to that, if you want to draft map five,

but that rap was so fricking good.

Nick, that I just stood out to me.

And I think, you know, I want to get into a few of the negatives.

Now maybe then I'll wrap up with like my comp for him.

The negatives for me are just twofold.

It's really just two things.

It's the one you brought up.

It I don't think he's like a super sharp cutter.

And I think that's going to impact him on slant routes.

Eventually those dig routes, those intermediate quick in breaker

type stuff that you have to just like kind of beat the guy.

But then again, dude, like AJ Brown

is not the most like insanely sharp cutter.

And he wins on those routes all the fricking time.

Because he's just savvy enough to do it.

And he uses his body well.

And I get the feel that like take could develop into that.

He may not be it now, he may not be used that way now,

but he could develop into that now.

And I saw Matt Harmon did his reception,

reception, charting and like slant route was his worst route.

And I could totally see that from watching him play like that

could be like the thing that can be said

at his least productive or successful route currently.

The one he wins the least now, but he can develop into that.

And then the other thing I had was just find this again.

Sorry, this is a bad podcasting.

It was that.

And it was again, the yards after the catch stuff,

which we were anyone over anyway.

Yeah, yeah, the yak.

I don't have the yak numbers in front of me,

but he's not the, he's not like JSN

when it comes to creating yards after the catch, right?

But I also don't think he's a complete stiff either.

I think he's again, a very smart football player

who knows how to like weave a how to angle himself

if there are blockers in front of him,

you could throw him a screen and he'll figure out

how to get the most yards at that.

There are a lot of traits when it comes to even though,

there are some traits to appreciate

even in the negatives that we are negatives,

quote unquote, that word listing like yards at.

I don't think it's something that he's incapable of.

I just don't think it's something that would be

something that you would spend a top five pick on, right?

Like that was something that you would expect

from a receiver that you are taking in the top five.

Yeah.

It's going to be the, you know, the bait that a lot of GMs have,

like, should we take a non-Uber athlete

this high in a draft class?

I would argue that the athleticism is very overrated

at receiver at this point.

So it is what it is as far as that discussion goes,

but it'll be discussion that people have.

Now, I'll ask you this, Nick,

we'll get to this part of the discussion.

As far as take goes, I want to start with fit

because to me of all the receivers

that are discussed at this fifth pick,

he is by far in a way the best fit for what the giants have

on the roster now and what they need.

I said that because think all the times we watched last year

where Jackson Dart was able to do an excellent job

pre-to-post snap of confirming where the safeties are,

where they're rotating to, and understanding,

I have a one on one look on the outside

and I could take a shot here.

Now, these shots missed a lot.

Part of that was Dart's footwork, wasn't great.

Part of that was just timing wasn't right

between the quarterback and the receiver,

not a lot of reps between them.

And then a big part of that was,

little Jordan Humphrey ran a lot of those.

At, you know, at five flat,

is that what he was, I mean, the one against the Eagles,

that one against the Eagles was a perfect ball from Dart

thrown to the exact spot he'd need to be thrown to.

And he just like could not get there.

It was so, it was one of the worst vertical routes

I've ever watched from a giant's receiver,

no offense, he was good at what he did Humphrey

when he was here and I respect his game

and he did a great job here.

He just was not a fast straight line guy.

But like, as far as this team goes,

if you're talking about like opposite

and Malik neighbors with Malik neighbors

getting all of the attention,

Malik neighbors getting press man

and then a safety probably shaded over the top of him,

you're gonna see a crap ton of,

and with the way that we've built, you know,

this team with like the records and the like these,

you're gonna see a lot of just one-on-one

if you draft take on the outside boundary.

And that almost feels like Dart can just see that

and take advantage of that over and over again

and put the ball anywhere near this guy

and this guy's just gonna catch it.

It does seem that way, yeah.

And he's gonna have a lot of those like one-on-one matchups,

of course, and play action deep shots,

like similar to like the Darnell Mooney thing.

And the current construction of the Giants roster,

it does not prevent you from making this type of move.

Now, you do not have to make this type of move.

I think the Giants have enough wide receiver for this season,

but you gotta project into year 2027, year 2028.

And that's where you start to think like,

imagine, because like Darnell Mooney, Calvin Austin,

these are one-year deals.

No idea where they're gonna be.

Can't rely on them.

Darius Layton's not gonna be a giant.

We've said this before, so maybe I'll put,

maybe I'll eat my shoe again, right?

Darius Layton's probably not gonna be a giant beyond this season.

The Giants just can't get it out from underneath

that contract, it's just not wise to do it.

So you do need to add wide receivers for 2027, 2028.

And this year coming up is wide receiver

your most pertinent need, probably not,

but adding Cardinal Tate to this offense right now.

You're talking about 12-person L package,

version of the Theo Johnson, Isaiah likely,

Cam Skataboo, presumably, and then Malik neighbors

and Cardinal, like that's much better than whatever else

the Giants are gonna roll out there with Darnell Mooney,

even, right?

So, and that's just 2026 wise too.

Fit wise as well, man.

And it's the whole, if you want to be successful

with the play action passing attack,

which we think the Giants are probably going to rely

on somewhat, right?

And I think Darnell Mooney fits that very well.

Cardinal Tate offers something a little bit different

to Darnell Mooney.

Darnell Mooney is a, he is that burner

that you're looking for.

Cardinal Tate is going to win off of his ability

to win those one-on-ones off the play action.

And, you know, you have Jackson Dart

who can hit his back foot, scan the field,

hold that safety, safety, look to Malik neighbor,

safety's gonna go that way.

You're gonna have that one-on-one matchup

almost every single way.

So you're getting a contestant catch winner

who's more than just a contestant catch winner.

And that kind of has to grow too, right?

Darnell Tate, like he's more of like a, less of like a,

size like drive the ball to Mooney

when Mooney's got a little bit of space.

But Mooney's not like that's a catcher.

He's more of a like, put the ball up there

with arc and with trajectory.

And that's like kind of perfect fit

for what this dude take can do.

Like that's the whole thing about this, Nick.

Well, it's really interesting.

That's why people were like,

connecting the Giants to Alec Pierce.

Obviously, they were never gonna pay

27 million a year for Pierce,

but like, because Pierce also fits what dark can do

and what dark can take advantage of.

So it does feel great from that standpoint, Nick.

Now, the part that bothers me the most,

I would say is like, taking a receiver at five,

let me just make this case.

If we could take a receiver at five,

and I was six, like we did with neighbors,

you can date back to two years ago

and you could listen to this podcast.

And both you and I were in agreement

that neighbors was the obvious pick at six.

We weren't considering penics.

We weren't considering any of these types of guys.

JJ, we talked about like, oh, we maybe don't want to miss,

but we weren't considering that really.

We were locked in on neighbors for a very long time.

The reason being is, Nick, if I'm gonna take a receiver at six,

I need to make sure he's a design your whole,

you can design your whole offense or passing game,

whatever you want to call it,

around this player kind of pick.

And that's exactly what Brian Dable did

in Malik neighbor's rookie season.

He designed the entire offense around him,

different underneath looks, different drag routes,

a clear out, clear out, to get him the ball,

vertical stuff, intermediate stuff, everything.

He's getting the ball.

What was it like 10 times a game, essentially?

Yeah.

And then on other times, because he's getting it 10 times a game,

he's taking away so much attention

at other stuff's happening.

I had, like, if you're gonna take a player

who's 200 pounds or less at the skill position,

running back a receiver, whatever, whatever one,

it doesn't matter to me.

He needs to be that type of player,

design your offense around him, type of player.

I'm gonna just say receiver for now,

because running back to a totally different position,

you can give a million touches,

but it does depend on your blocking in your line.

But a receiver, it does depend on the quarterback

and the timing and the offense and the blocking,

all these things.

I just have a feel that in the wrong situation,

like in the wrong circumstances, Nick,

if we draft a player, like Arnold at five,

it could be like 80 to 85% of the plays.

He's not really making much of an impact either.

He got open and darted and see him on time.

He got open and darted and get the ball there on time,

or he didn't get open, or the blocking didn't hold up,

so the timing was thrown off and he was open,

but he couldn't get him in the ball

because the blocking was screwed up,

and then he gets five targets,

a game six targets, a game type of stuff.

And like that's not impacting a football game,

like Vega, Ioane, who's every single snap,

making an impact, whether it be pass blocking or run blocking.

It's not impacting the game like sunny styles,

who every single snap is reading his run keys

or dropping it to his zone, getting in a pass lane,

or taking man coverage or blitzing.

That's every single snap type player impact.

Receivers just don't do that

unless you design the offense around him,

and when neighbors on the roster,

they're not gonna design the offense around tape.

So he's amazing to have, he's perfect for what Jackson

start needs, but football is one in the trenches,

and he's not impacting every play.

No, no, he's not impacting every play that way.

It just gives you a very competent secondary option

behind the guy that you are designing your offense around,

which I do think is very important.

It's just, is it as important as some of the other positions,

the opportunity calls or some of the other positions

that you're not going to select

because you want to select a wide receiver at five.

And there's also the whole,

there's a lot of other wide receivers in this draft class

that might not be carnal tape,

but what is the difference in selecting carnal theta five

or selecting somebody in the fourth round,

or maybe even at 37, right?

So there's that whole argument as well,

which I think can carry a lot of weight

depending on how you value this draft class.

That's fair.

And there are guys that, by the way, in day three,

like that are more so than I'm ever used to,

that are these types of prospects,

like fit this bigger profile of exactly what we want

for Jackson Dart of vertical outside guy

who can win as the Z in one on one boundary situation.

So it's a bit of a luxury pick to me.

I'll say that to start.

A little bit, yes.

Yeah, as far as what I take him at five,

I'm really open to a lot of things at five.

I'll start by saying this.

I would take him 100 out of 100 times over Jeremiah Love.

That's the first part for me.

And I think love is a better prospect.

I just don't care.

I've made my case.

I'll make it again a million times

in case anyone's interested.

But to me, a run game is designed

through the blocking and the scheme.

That's how you build a run game out.

That's how you win in the run game.

A running back straight to half.

He can make it close to play's love.

And he can have game breaking plays as well,

just like Barclay did in 2018.

Giant's in winning games in 2018,

when Barclay was real key of the year with 2,000 yards,

they won five games.

It just is what it is to me, again,

in the bears of the best run game

and the Jaguars last year without big name running backs.

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As far as the other guys go, I still think I take

all three Ohio State defenders over him.

I don't know where you're at with that.

All three Ohio State defenders over Carl Tate.

Yeah, I mean, I don't think the grease is going to be there,

but yeah, I think I'm on board.

So sunny is sunny is for sure.

And I think I would take downs.

I just, I really do like Caleb Downs a lot.

The giant's current safety room is,

I don't want to say loaded, but it's been replenished.

Now, some of those guys aren't, you know.

The beef maybe is the better way.

Yeah.

I don't even know, but like, but that's the thing, right?

And this could be a whole nother podcast, right?

About the giant safety room.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's deep.

They added guys like Jason Pinnock and some of these guys.

And you're like, oh, cool.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Or Darius Washington, I like, but it's like,

do any of them like make you feel comfortable at all?

Yeah.

No, not really.

So it's like, are they there were people there that we,

Good point.

Right now, we literally can't bank on any of them.

I know.

I think our Darius will have his role.

And I like our Darius Washington, but there's not one safety

room on the giant right now where I'm like, comfortable.

Comfortable with that guy, you know, that's the stupid part.

We directed one at 30, whatever.

That should be a lock in the NFL.

And then we signed one for 45 million.

Like, we shouldn't have any questions about them,

but we have to because their tape forces us to have questions

about exactly.

And I think Bowen does play into that for sure.

Yeah.

I don't think, um, it's them too, man.

Like, down's would imagine down's last year in Bowen's system.

He would have been a lot better on the field than those two.

Yeah, you know, and that's the thing about like Tyler,

like we watched Tyler Nuban at Minnesota.

He had, like, he had instincts there though.

Exactly.

He had, but he had the instincts, those instincts, they went

somewhere, right?

Because they're not there.

They haven't been there.

Yeah.

And I'll say this about Nuban just as a little side.

No, I always feel like we go on like little Tyler Nuban side notes

on his podcast, but I will say this year one, specifically, like,

he was making plays around.

Right.

Like big plays, like taking on blocks, getting rid of them,

and like making a physical tackle.

It wasn't really there that as, as much this year.

Get it.

And I do think maybe the, and then I want to get your take on this.

Was the narrative a little bit unfair to Tyler Nuban because of the plays

that made him look like absolute shit.

But you really weren't like, look, you got burnt by sick

while Barclay up the sidelines.

That's going to happen.

Are you the fastest and most like fluid in those situations?

No, but should have Darius, Moosow, Phil, behind Rakeem,

Nunez, Roach, as in DJ Davidson, who were both

off the line of scrimmage, probably, but you know, that happened.

And then it all got laid at the feet of Tyler Nuban, you know?

And it's like, it's a little unfair to Tyler Nuban.

That's a good point.

That part of it, I completely agree with you on.

And I think you're 100% right on that.

He got unfairly criticized for those really bad plays when he's the

third level run defender.

And it's already been the reps, right?

He's been, everybody feel I multiple players in front of it.

It's the problem for me is not those as much.

So I think that's a big problem for fans.

I'm glad you brought that up because I would agree with you.

We're on a different page than fans there.

The problem I have is there's not enough good plays for him.

And there's that like, that's not the bad plays that bother me.

It's the opposite.

It's the lack of good play.

Yeah.

And we go through the all 22 extensively, right?

Yeah.

Like every like a long time listeners of the podcast, no, there wasn't

really many like, oh, wow, Tyler Nuban, really.

Did you see on the quarterback was looking at the scene and Nuban just got

like, I saw that a lot with Caleb Downs.

Well, the quarterback said, oh, I have them.

No, I don't.

Right.

Now I got to check down to some running back who gets tackled for

like a loss of one.

Like those are the types of plays that safes, like put themselves into

positions to make.

I didn't feel like, like, who's the last safety?

Who I want to say did that consistently, but who's the last safety

who really jumped out on film to us for the New York Giants who was doing that?

Like, like, love the McKinney were the two, both of them were doing that.

Love the McKinney were both doing that.

outro role.

Did that all roll, you know, for the injury, those for the injury,

that now we're starting to go back a little bit, right?

But like, with, with Holland and Nuban, you just, you just didn't get that.

Yeah, they weren't impose.

I don't want to make it like they weren't in position a lot.

But like, there was a lot more of like, oh, they're second late here.

They're second late there, rather than like, oh, they're completely

preventing the design of this play to be successful by coming off of one

route and then jumping on another one when they're reading it and reacting

and read, react, tack, back type of man.

That's the thing with Downs.

It's like he tested bad at the combine.

He did from both of the athleticism.

We didn't really test much.

But like the size standpoint, the measurements, but like he has his

superpower.

If you ask people who watch his tape is the instincts and guess what?

Instincts are probably the most important thing when it comes to the safety

position. You want to know why I know that Nick, because the best player

to ever play the position that I ever saw at least was drafted really

late. I think it was either late one or early or day two at read.

And it's because he had the best instincts of any safety to ever play the

position.

And ultimately, that is the, you have to, if you have instincts as a safety,

you can take over games.

Like you said, you can force the quarterback to check down the

bad spots, or you can make it look like he has something available in the

flat, but you're just going him into throwing there.

And then you're going to make the tackle short time every time for

no yards after the catch.

Yeah.

It's a, it's a cerebral position.

It's a physical and that's another thing.

And we'll talk about this on the Caleb Downs podcast.

I know we've been talking a lot about Caleb Downs and the safety group.

But I think our listeners will appreciate it.

He's not a freaking liability at all on run support.

He's really good to run support.

He's really good at run support and he has all of those.

That's like, this is why, like, look, I don't know what his career is going to be

like, right?

The NFL could be tricky.

But when it comes to just evaluating his college tape, right?

He's one of my favorite players in this draft class.

Right.

Right, which is why he's in consideration at five for me.

And probably my number two guy at five, because I know that he's great at

playing the position that he's going to have to play in the NFL.

And I don't, I think of all the positions, safety, like the instincts that

you have at safety translate more than a lot of, and same thing for

linebacker than a lot of these other positions.

Yeah, absolutely.

But the thing is, like, certain deepances might ask you to do different things,

right?

Like, it might not give you the freedom that you had true.

And, you know, so like, you want like a deep as a coordinator who really

understands that.

Bowen wasn't that is Donard Wilson.

That we'll see.

Yeah, that time will tell on that.

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The Ohio Statewide receiver is our second draft profile.

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I think we actually going with this one first.

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Never mind.

Our second draft profile more to come will start with the players that are in

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Other talks will get into mock drafts like we always do.

We'll do list of my guys, our favorite players in the class.

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And you'll see that we're just loaded with content in the month of April.

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