Celebrating 250 years of medical milestones, Q&A 191

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The American experiment, right, that is what it is here, 250 years are semi-quincentennial

and it is an incredible moment, a magic moment, and we've been saying for years now we're

living through this remarkable time, this historical moment of time, it really is.

But also to preface that with this 250-year mark is pretty incredible.

But there are a lot of things I wonder at this point, like the evolution of our healthcare

over the span of that 250 years, right?

How has America's healthcare changed for the better, for the worse, how can we get it

better?

Or, you know, you hear this term sick care sometimes, healthcare versus sick care.

And that's another thing to point out, what separates or differs for Americans and other

nations?

Why don't we call this the American experiment?

How different is it really?

You know, I remember growing up as a boy and then coming through that bicentennial as

a young kid and it was an incredible moment then for our nation.

And this one will be just tremendous for sure here.

Also Q&A-191, we have a lot of great questions today, let's have some fun with that a little

bit.

We're going to do a lot of questions, so we'll split this up a little bit, but it'll

be very informative here.

Welcome into the broadcast, my fellow Americans, to America Out Loud Pulse, it is Malcolm

Out Loud here, along with my co-host.

Your partner, Dr. Peter McCullough.

All right.

So, you know, I really do, you know, you're a patriot like I am, and we see things a little

differently sometimes, and I think that's a good thing, I love the diversity of conversation,

the diversity of people, opinion, all of that.

I don't want to talk necessarily political today, that's not the point of this, but it

really is more focused on these, you know, sometimes I like to look at Peter, I don't

know about, many times I want to look at the glasses half full.

We go around all the time, you know, talking about what's wrong, what's wrong, what's

wrong.

Maybe there's some things right as well with the American experiment, we step back and

count our blessings a little bit, let's start there a minute here, when we talk about

the American experiment, how do you size that up, what do you see in the grand scheme

of things?

Well, you know, all of us are part of this melting pot, so almost all of us can trace

our origins back to some other place, outside of the Native American Indians.

And so in many way, that melting pot, that diversity, you know, the intermingling, no

two people agree on anything, you know, and welcome, you know, America does have diversity.

It really does, and it's had it for quite some time.

Yeah, I love what you say there, because I'm really dismayed at people today that get

so nasty, angry, evil, they get weird, because you don't agree with them or something.

And I really, I don't really understand that, like we judge each other and people are

doing that all the time, and they've lost the appreciation for our freedom, our freedom

of thought, our freedom of speech, our freedom of opinion, and talk about that, even big

tech as, think about big tech, big business, all of that, they've lost it as well.

I mean, look at everything that happened through COVID, and the push in a mandate and

of all that stuff, it's the same thing.

And so, you know, I remember being, and I've shared those stories with you before, I

remember being in some of the doctors office after D in the post-COVID, just coming out

of that a little bit.

And I remember how nasty they got, because you wouldn't succumb to their pressure to

take this vaccine.

It's almost like they had like stocking it or something like it was going to affect

their, their, their well-being or their, their money nest or something.

It's like, we had this, I don't know, this, I don't know what to call it, lack of appreciation

for understanding that we all have different thoughts, different ideas, different viewpoints.

Why can't, why have we lost so much from that point, like when we were kids, we would

appreciate that more.

There was more dialogue, but you don't see that today as much as, I don't know, I find

it weird.

You don't see it in healthcare, and you certainly don't see it around vaccines.

You know, the case study of individual choice used to be Jehovah witnesses, and Jehovah

witnesses do not want to receive any blood products from any other person.

And so they'd come in with a gastrointestinal bleeding or surgery, and, and so we would

have to work around that preference.

And, you know, there always was someone agonizing as a doctor, but, you know, as the vaccine

shaded in a boy since 1986, they really have come hot and heavy and more and more and more

of them.

And the vaccine conversation is intensified to essentially a craze.

And many people are recoiling after the COVID-19 vaccines, after some vaccine reform with

RFK and Trump, and then now a lawsuit from the American Academy of Pediatrics has reversed

all that vaccine reform.

Many are just walking away from the entire vaccine table.

Okay.

You mean the whole conversation?

Because the word you use crazed is an appropriate word.

It's almost like there's a fervor in their eyes.

They get stupified or something.

I don't know.

I find it like the weirdest thing.

Like, what the hell is this any skin off their nose?

If I take the vaccine or not, which I'm not going to, anyways, I never did, but, you know

what I mean?

It's like, is it like they haven't invested, invested interest or something in this?

Well, Malcolm, it has to do with this illusion of herd immunity that you take a vaccine to

protect others.

And it's not true.

None of the vaccines really work that way to any meaningful degree.

And so this isn't about protecting others.

This isn't about being a good steward.

This is not for the betterment of humanity.

It's for individual protection.

It's an individual decision.

And boy, if we could get to that, I think this whole thing would unwind.

Yeah.

I remember we talked about that.

I just had flashbacks when you were saying what you said two times.

You and I were on the mic some years ago and talking about that herd immunity and the

fact like you said, they were preaching about take it for your fellow man or do something

for your country or whatever.

I don't know.

Mindset or whatever, which was really weird and strange.

And but there was.

They were signing up for this somehow and pushed it on to people.

It was quite a, quite an era of healthcare in our country like we've seen before.

Do you remember the late night show, Stephen Colbert early on where you had a bunch of dancers

and they dressed up as vaccine syringes and they were dancing on the floor and he was

in the middle of dancing them and it with them and it was people lost their minds over

the vaccine.

Lost their minds.

Are you definitely lost his minds that guy did I mean it's just like what?

This is something you'd you'd dance around for and in fact it was at one of the Super Bowl

halftime shows where a big vaccine comes down and just it's it there was just an absolute

craze.

Yeah.

It's a craze that formed over it.

I think people now are starting to to come out of it.

But boy, you pick up any one of those videos Malcolm.

It just brings it right back.

It was stupid.

The craze is the right word here.

That's the word of the day here people craze, we'll have to keep that put that in the title

I think.

But it is it is a craze.

I mean, they are some of them are out of their minds or whatever, but all right, let's

stop back.

Let's now just step back and let me hear and I'm what this you're the right one to answer

this thought process this question here.

Now speaking of the evolution of America's health care over the span of over 250 years,

now I remember as a kid seeing, you know, now listen, like I'm not going to say I remember

as a kid seeing markets will be MD coming into my home in reality, but I seen it on TV.

But you remember, you know, I didn't remember that time where they were actually coming

into the home.

I don't believe.

But as a kid, I do remember, I remember that my first doctor, pediatrician, I still

remember his name and that's funny, never escapes me with my, what was his name?

Dr. Joowski, the polar, you know, Joowski, you know, he was quite fascinating, really

nice, brilliant man.

And he was a pediatrician and I remember mom used to take me there and stuff and she

talked to two us, he's a very serious man, but, but you know, really cool.

And yeah, so let's talk about the evolution of America's health care over the span of

this 250 years that you see really if you step back a minute here, you're going to say,

okay, this is where we were, this is kind of what's happened and this is might be where

we're going.

What do you say about this evolution?

Well, let's kind of get the landscape out here, you know, the goals of any of this

is to help somebody feel better, function better, or survive longer.

It's just the three things we try to do.

So let's just take survival.

Now 1776 to 1820, if we look at survival, the media, the life expectancy, it was 35 to

40 years long, however, it's heavily skewed by infant mortality.

During that time, 25 to 35% of babies died in the first year of life or with childbirth

and 10% of women died with childbirth, largely because the uterus would become infected afterwards.

Okay, so that's, so that gives you an idea of that's the most severe statistic we could

look at in our history.

Now if we do an analysis and say, okay, if you survive to age 20, then how long could

you expect to live?

And here's the timeframes, 1776 to 1820, you could expect to live out to 68 to 72 years

old.

Biggest risk was infections or war injuries, 1820 to 1900.

You could live 70 to 75.

Big threats there were lack of sanitary, you know, sanitation, various forms of dysentery

and illnesses like that, 1900 to 1950.

You could live 73 to 78 years, their heart disease started to emerge as a problem.

1950 to 2000, you could live 75 to 80 years.

Now heart disease and cancer emerge as the leading threats 2000 to 2026, 76 to 81 years

old, life expectancy, again, dominated by heart disease and cancer.

So what's really happened over time is we've essentially eliminated risks from poor sanitation,

sanitation of water and, you know, food that's spoiled, unclean air.

And we've had an improvement in life expectancy, but if you live to age 20, you know, it's

not that much Malcolm.

From 1776 to 2026, you could live, you know, on the high end, 72, now up to 81 years old,

it's been a nine year advance.

Right.

Have we, I remember seeing reports coming through COVID or just afterward that the life expectancy,

the age had fallen somewhat, has that started to come back now?

Is that coming forward or do you know?

You know, I don't know, but you're right.

It did drop by a year or two with the pandemic.

The pandemic was a big setback.

And you know, I'd say heart disease and probably pandemic related problems due to the spike

protein from the infection or vaccines, you know, have shaded in and amplified things.

Now, what are some other milestones?

Modern surgery with anesthesia.

By 1900 anesthesia was standard.

By 1960, we had our first heart bypass surgery.

And by 2010, we had laparoscopic surgery became the default standard for, you know, abdominal

and thoracic surgery for drugs.

First use of penicillin, right with the end of World War II, 1943.

We had our first diuretic meningitis in 1957, which could help with heart failure or

high blood pressure.

First beta blocker and calcium channel blocker for beta blocker in 1964 for heart attacks

and high blood pressure.

And then first ACE inhibitor for high blood pressure and heart failure in 1981.

First use of CT and MRI where it became standard 1990s, 1990s, it was started and then became

standardized in 2000.

So Malcolm, in the way we interface with healthcare today, the modern pharmacopia of drugs to lower

blood pressure, lower cholesterol to treat cancer, to treat heart disease, getting cat scans

and MRIs, that's all pretty recent.

Honestly, most of it is in the last 25 years.

Right.

So, you know, if I was to ask the question, and I have a sense of it already, I think we

might have even answered it, but how is America's healthcare changed for the better of the

worse?

And your explanation of the infant's dying and pregnancies, and that sort of thing,

and I remember that in school, that's a fact, that was really happening.

There was a lot of that, and so things became more health conscious as we came forward,

and people were aware of these diseases, these problems were happy.

So really, on that scope, healthcare has gotten much, much better.

All right.

Certainly, modern maternal care, maternal fetal care, can you imagine losing 25 to 35% of

the babies?

That's incredible.

I mean, this is extraordinary with modern obstetrics and C-sections and RESTAT deliveries.

You know, huge advances.

Do you remember when we were kids, there were, each general hospital had a pediatric ward,

remember that?

You go into a general hospital.

You mean they don't do that anymore?

No, they're gone.

I didn't know that, Peter.

I swear, I did not know that.

No, they're gone.

Now, they've been replaced with children's hospitals, because there's so few children getting

hospitalized.

Oh, that's so, so I know me who have children's hospitals, but I thought they might never

really pay attention to this.

I thought the pediatric ward was still, I didn't know that went away.

Most general hospitals do not treat children, because modern pediatrics has gotten so

good.

We don't have kids with rheumatic fever and tuberculosis, and these horrible-

It's just a head rheumatic fever, and then almost rheumatic heart, as it was, yeah.

Very dangerous.

Well, there you go.

Yeah.

I mean, my grandfather died of rheumatic heart disease within a-

I don't have any-

Or you say?

That doesn't-

No, no.

I mean, I think the last case I saw was 20 or 30 years ago.

Wow.

So, I mean, these are modern miracles.

You know, someone has a strep throat.

We do a strep test.

We give them the appropriate antibiotics, and then the infection doesn't infect the heart

valves.

Okay.

I mean, these are modern miracles, I mean, it was miserable.

Think about modern dentistry.

So we had a dinner party over the weekend and some dentists were there.

And this one dentist, he's about my age.

He said, you know, when I started dentistry, virtually everybody over age 75 had dentures.

Their teeth were gone and they had dentures.

Certainly everybody over 80 for sure had dentures.

He said, now I rarely see anyone with dentures, including the elderly.

There you go.

And because it's modern dentistry, and I asked him, I said, what was it?

Was it, you know, flossing?

Was it brushing?

He said, you know, it was down to just these every six month visits that dentist, you

know, cleans the teeth.

There's no doubt that modern dentistry made the big role of people, you know, paying

attention to their teeth with flossing and brushing.

And, you know, I don't know about you, Malcolm, but I, you know, I plan not to have

dentures.

You know, oh, no, I don't want those.

I mean, but no, my father and I were passed away, he was 98, he had full dentures.

Oh, full dentures.

My mother-in-law, who's 93, she only has three teeth left.

I mean, the rest are his dentures.

That generation was that way.

My mom and dad had them as well.

I do recall that.

They had the, they checked the teeth right out of their mouth.

I never ever.

The choppers.

I remember as a kid, I was scared as hell when I first had, I don't know what the hell

was going on.

But, I mean, so this is an example, so modern dentistry and everything we do has made

in advance.

I mean, there's, there's no doubt about it.

How about this, how about clean water?

So by 1930, it was estimated that the cities had finally cleaned up the water, that it

wasn't just loaded with bacteria like E. coli and salmonella.

The rural parts of America really didn't get completely cleaned to about 1950.

And then by 1960, we had, universally, we had reasonably clean water.

You wouldn't have to, to boil it.

That's 1960.

That's not that long ago.

Oh, that's incredible.

I didn't realize that time frame.

Yeah.

So, so these advances are not that long ago, Malcolm.

And so when we look at it now and we say, Oh, boy, we're going backwards and things

were so much better a hundred years ago.

I don't know.

Take a look at it.

Well, that's what I wanted to talk to you about this for.

I mean, we need to get some positive stuff here, right?

I mean, you know, your point about the innovations are so true.

Let me tell you.

I think, I don't know if you know this.

I'm not sure if you do.

But when I, so I'm talking, I'm talking probably about, Oh, dear, 15, 20 years ago, probably

more 20 is what I'm, I'm pretty sure it is.

Yeah.

Anyways, it was in the heart rate, rate in the heart rate, rate in the heat of the

advertised, my advertising days and the boardrooms and just to work with a lot of

physicians, they're a lot of health care, that sort of thing.

I used to remember the cardiac firm, some of the very revolutionary docs and stuff

that I worked with.

They came out with a minimally invasive surgeries and it was like, wow, it's like you

kidding me.

It's like these little, little incisions, I mean, this was state of the art.

Stop.

I mean, little incisions they would go in and do these procedures.

I would put on seminars with the doctors, with the cardiac surgeons, the actual surgeons

who did it.

I became very good friends with and I used to put those on and I learned quite a bit

about it actually.

I would go into the, and these guys were so busy all the time Peter that I would go

into the ER, the OR rather, sorry, and I would, they were so busy all the time.

So I would meet with them in the OR, they were always doing surgeries and they would

just busy people, amazing.

And we would have great conversations right at the bedside at that time.

I would scrub up, you know, scrub up, put your mask on everything else you go in there.

And the docs were so comfortable, the second agent of us, they do the surgery and I've

seen them do it all.

I've seen them cut the chest open, I've picked the heart out, I've seen them do all the

versions.

And then I remember this veinoscopy, the veinoscopy when the first coming out.

And I swear to you, we did a photo shoot one day, okay?

And this was crazy, but it's, but very accurate.

In one of the ORs, they, they filleted the whole leg.

You remember how they used to have filleted?

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

It ran in front of me.

They filleted the whole leg.

From the ankle all the way to the hip, a bypass surgery meant one leg sometimes both were

filleted, typically on the inside of the leg all the way up.

I've seen it, man.

I've seen it.

It's gross.

But I see the whole leg filleted.

I did okay.

I had a pretty decent stomach to handle that stuff, not that I looked back at it.

But anyways, so they filleted the whole leg.

And that's how they get it out of there to be able to do these life-saving procedures.

And that was, again, still stayed at the out of that point.

And then when the veinoscopies started to come out and start written, so we did this

photo shoot of that.

It was like, wow.

And then in the next one, the next OR, they did, and this was really early, early, early

on when there was just coming out.

You know how they make the little, little decision to get the vein out, the little

little.

Right?

Am I right?

And the little little one.

No, they put a scope in under the skin and and snake it up and able to retrieve the

vein.

I mean, that's an example of a huge advance, Malcolm, I know.

Massive.

I'll give you another one.

My father-in-law and that's the family.

They've got a congenital aortic valve problem where later in life, the aortic valve narrows

and needs to be replaced.

And in fact, him and two of his brothers had it.

So sure enough, his son comes along and he has the same problem.

Well my father-in-law, this is, gosh, this would go back to the year, let's say the year

2000.

My father-in-law, when he had his valve replaced, it was the chest was cut open, the, you know,

the sternum is split, the old valve is taken out and new valve is put in.

It's a major surgery.

Blood transfusion is needed, the heart bypass surgery.

Very high re-hospitalization rate, in fact, that happened in him.

I mean, it's a big deal.

Now, you know, fast forward, 20 years later, his son needs the same procedure.

It's done through a catheter, through the groin.

The chest is never opened.

This is called taver or transaortic valve replacement, you know, procedure.

And he has a perfect valve seated inside his old valve and it expands and it works perfectly.

It's absolutely mind boggling.

He walks home the next day.

No, it's cool.

My wife watched her father have a major open heart surgery, get re-hospitalized and the

very, very painful and difficult recovery.

And then he, she watches her brother have the same, you know, treatment now 25 years

later, and he walks out the next day.

Yeah, it's mind blowing.

As I recall, as I recall now from the docs back then and you tell me this, a lot of the

complications and problems they were having with a lot of those procedures, wasn't the

actual procedure itself.

It was the problems were with the leg and the filane of the leg and the infection and

problems with that.

And then the complications of the surgeries you just talked about with the valves and

all of that, it was how they got in there and had to go get at it and there were complications

from that.

Not the procedure itself.

Is that correct?

Well, you got it.

Okay.

So the, where they have flayed the leg, as you say, that can get infected and in fact did.

When the chest is opened and the heart is put on their bypass pump, there's a risk of

having stroke.

So it always was a risk of having stroke and it was said that everybody's, their mental

function changed a little bit going on the heart bypass machine.

There were studies published on that because the brain did not get adequate blood flow

during the period of surgery and the surgeons used to really try to work quickly to reduce

that bypass time.

But the brain could go an hour to an hour and a half of not getting any blood flow.

That was a big deal.

And then the reason why people got re-hospitalized and most common, including my father-in-law,

was pneumonia.

So when the chest is opened and then it's closed, the lungs can't re-expand.

It hurts to take a deep breath and then a pneumonia sets it.

So we used to hear stories of, you know, that, you know, some prominent person had heart

bypass surgery and then they died a week later from complications.

I can tell you it's almost always a pneumonia.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, it's so good talking about this right now.

I have to say I'm so glad we did this because it's just a great reminder to all of us

of, you know, I know we get on here a lot and there's always the doom and gloom and

everything's wrong and so on and so forth.

But when you listen to what we're talking about here, this is real life stuff we're talking

about.

The evolution of this, I mean, I never know where we're going to go with these conversations.

We never really do know.

But I knew there was something powerful here and it's even more powerful than I remembered.

And now that we see this, we look at these, you know, these revolutions and it's just

so revealing.

Let me ask you this now as we wrap this up here, this, this, especially I do want to get

some great questions.

I want to spend some time on those.

But so here's a question for you.

You probably can answer very well.

What separates or differs for Americans here than other nations?

What's, what's it within, you know, within all of this?

What's different?

I would say other first world nations have this trade off where they have universal healthcare.

So they have healthcare provided to everyone.

But at the same time that universal healthcare is cumbersome, there's longer times waiting

for various things.

The facilities aren't as nice as what we have in the United States.

So I think that universal healthcare is, it's a trade off in the United States.

It's a big deal to have healthcare insurance.

That's one of the reasons why people want to get a job.

So they have healthcare insurance.

If you're in another country, you don't have that onus because the healthcare is provided

universally.

Now when you get to age 65, we have Medicare that covers everybody.

And despite people moaning about government healthcare, 99.9999% of people when they turn

65, they go on Medicare.

Right.

So people want government, medical care.

They really do.

Yeah.

So if we look right now, there's 250 mark here that we talk about here.

Over the next few months between now and July, I hope to do this a few times.

We definitely want to do this a few times.

In different areas of conversation, but go back and look at the 250 years and the way

that we can and see how much we've advanced.

There's so many great conversations we could have over that.

And it really is cool to look back historically.

I mean, I would have that great conversation with how our media landscape has changed another

day, not today, but that would be a great conversation too, to see how that's changed

over the 250 years.

But it is a great reminder to all of us as Americans that it's not always doom and gloom

and that things, you know, when we stop back and I always say, count our blessings.

But there are ways we look at what we're just talking about right now and we're so far

more have an advantage today than they had 20, 30, 50, 80 years ago for sure.

So all right.

I'm going to shift up.

I'm going to save this question for another day for us because of time.

What do we need to do as it's because it's a great question.

What do we need to do as a people so that the American experiment stands tall for another

250 years?

And I want to throw that question out to you all out there and I'm going to put it in

the post here when this goes to podcasts, but I want you to send me in your thoughts

on that.

Would you please do that so we can share this on here, please?

What do we need to do as a people so that the American experiment stands tall for another

250 years?

And that really is the question.

So we leave a country to our children and our grandchildren that we're proud of.

So to extend that American experiment, which really has been God's blessing to all of

us and the world and how this is a free people as we are.

So anyways, that's a real great question.

Let's get some answers from you.

We can share them on here as well.

Now with all that said, with our listeners here, I've done this show now.

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That is a huge bargain.

We're talking about major fun in Nashville for the 4th of July, I mean, this is fantastic.

I'm really thrilled.

When you said that, I just, I didn't listen to it a second time to say, gosh, did you

really say that?

That's absolutely fantastic.

And that's the whole thing.

We're talking.

The whole thing.

Yeah.

For the whole thing.

So, come on into Nashville.

It's the center of the country.

It's, you know, the capital of country music, more and more, it's becoming the entertainment

capital of overall of the country, and boy, is it a patriotic city?

It really is.

That's one of the big reasons we chose it was, it was a general central beautiful area

to come to, but it is so patriotic there.

It just, there's a feeling in a sense, there's something special.

Don't you find yourself, I do, there's something special about Tennesseans, they're just

really down to earth, unique people, don't you think?

I agree.

Yeah.

I agree.

I just got tickets to go there for, to be on another show.

I mean, there's so many big podcasts that are in Nashville now, and so many sites to

see.

I was there.

I jog to Vanderbilt University.

I was there for a medical meeting just last week, and, you know, it's only less than two

hours, I think it's me, an hour and 15 minutes from Dallas.

You can have a little bit more of a ride from Tampa, but it's just not much, it's in the

middle of the country, and boy, what a terrific place.

Yeah, this is going to be really, I really, this is why it's going to be so special for

all those reasons.

And it's why we did this thing, because over the years, so many people have said, when

are you going to have this public event?

You know, I have to share with you all privately.

This is just for you, your ears, but it is true.

It's accurate.

It's true when I share with you, and it is private, all about six months, seven, eight months,

a while, a pack, it's been some time, before this ever came out, and we were, I was in

the thinking process of this thing, before we came on air one time, so about six, eight

months ago, and I was on and come on with Dr. McCullough, and I said, so, you know, I'm

thinking this is going to be really special or 250 year, and we're going to be 10 years

old.

I said, Peter, what do you think?

Should we do something special?

And I wasn't sure.

I was really trying to convince myself, this was the right time to do something in such

a public space at this moment, that is this the time.

And without any hesitation, if you remember what I answered that question, without any

hesitation, you said, absolutely, yes, this is the time.

Let's do it.

Well, you know, it's going to be a fantastic time for the nation, and it's going to be

a time for everyone to take personal stock of where they are, where we are as, you know,

a country, the people around us, you know, I remember the bicentennial, you remember

that Malcolm?

200 years.

Yeah, I do.

It was, I mean, it was, it was all patriotism, I mean, the parades, and it was just a real,

I find it a very innocent time, a very special time, and we were just young boys, we were just

young teenagers, you and I were.

So I mean, we know that did you get one of those coins?

Yes, yes, yes, yes, so there you go.

So you remember your bicentennial coin, remember my dad got that for us.

So sure, I mean, this is going to be a great time.

And you know, for most of us, you know, this is it.

This is going to be the last big landmark, however Malcolm, I would not rule out some

major advance to where you and I at our age actually see 300.

And you know, probably one of the more important books I read in college was Webberat, you

know what I mean?

Yeah.

So one of the most important books I read in college was by T.S. Kuhn.

And the title of it is the structure of scientific revolutions.

And that the revolutions in science, the progress in science is typically incremental.

And you know how I read off those life expectancies, how they just kind of inched up over time.

And what Kuhn says is that, you know, at some point in time, we just, we inch along, we

inch along.

And then suddenly there's a paradigm shift.

And so he was the one 1968, he coined the term paradigm shift where it's a new breakthrough,

a new understanding that just allows a leap frog.

And I would not be surprised in our lifetime if we hit that.

You think we're going to talk about that in that book in the future of what the possibilities

are because I'm seeing a lot of reports around what you're talking about right now.

And I'm seeing things that tell me like the advancements are going to start coming really

fast.

In fact, they tell me that this is going to be one of the biggest and best uses for AI ever

is going to be what we're talking about right now.

We'll come back to this.

Let's leave it hang right there.

But I have seen those reports and they say that.

And I'm sure you probably agree with that statement, but we'll save that for another day.

But that's what I'm hearing that this is really where it's going to have the biggest

impact.

And you know what, my friends, if that's the case, you know what I say, bring it on, bring

it on.

I'm ready for it.

I'm ready for it.

Chapter two.

Here we come.

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Well, I'll jump to some questions here in Q&A 1-91.

And let's start with Janet, dear Malcolm and Dr. McCullough, thank you both for the

amazing education you provide and for taking our questions.

There is a new cancer screen in blood test called the Galleria, not covered by insurance

and cost $900.

Would this be a reasonable test to have ordered in light of the significant increase in cancer

diagnoses lately?

What do you think on that, is it?

I have to research that Malcolm, but what's coming along are blood tests that can detect

the cancer cells DNA.

And what I am familiar with is called Shield by Guardian, which is the first blood test

for colon cancer.

So these tests are moving along.

Many of us want to get ahead of cancer.

And because we don't have screening methods for kidney cancer and pancreatic cancer and

brain cancer, many have said, listen, I'm willing to spend some money to see if I can get

an early warning and not get far behind on a cancer.

So I understand the sentiment here and they have people understand what they're getting

into and they know they have to pay for it.

And if something turns positive, that means you really do have to go on a search to find

it.

But for those concerns, why not?

Well, you've got to catch this stuff early.

That is the key I discovered with this cancer business and let's face it, that's a dirty

word.

It's a dirty, dirty word.

It's evil.

When it comes up, you cringe right away that you're knowing your heart and soul that

something's not right and there's a battle ahead.

So no, it's scary as hell when that word is said.

So if you get ahead of it early in the curve, you have a great shot at defeat in this evil

problem here.

Real quickly, Janet asked one follow up to that.

Does Dr. M. agree with the CDC's recommendation for a polio booster shot?

If traveling abroad to any of the 30 countries with an increase in polio cases?

Not for adults, welcome.

I really don't think so.

I think if you were going to take a child, who was at risk to polio and Demick, Christian

missionary in Pakistan, you'd have to find some really extraordinary circumstance.

I mean, Western Hemisphere polio has been around for decades, so I would say no for

adults.

That's honest.

What you're saying there, and that's what she's asking really, so it makes sense what

you're saying.

So you don't hear that that's gone for the most part, right?

It's gone.

I do wonder if we ever had polio come back today, how will it be treated?

Those tremendous misdiagnosis of polio, there's a famous University of Michigan study

years ago.

They had 1,000 kids at University of Michigan Medical Center back, I think it's in the

50s at the height of the polio outbreak, and when they actually had the test to determine

if it was polio, only 25% of the kids actually really had polio.

They had weak legs and arms, and for other reasons.

There can be gambrae syndrome, there can be transverse myelitis, there can be various

distotias.

So polio was grossly overdiagnosed, any form of limb paralysis, automatically got a clinical

diagnosis of polio, so the real burden of polio was probably 25% of what you hear, and

how we would treat it today would be according to what is the problem.

I think cortical steroids, plasma ferrisis, other drugs that we use, chances are if polio

came back today, we wouldn't nearly have as many permanently disabled or fatal cases.

Very interesting observation.

This next one from Chris, Dr. McCullough, what do you think of the recently released

Norway study, claiming that infants are better protected from COVID if the pregnant mother

was vaccinated?

What does this study actually tell us?

I read that study, and it's not randomized, so we don't have a comparison of randomized,

of those actually get the vaccine and those who didn't.

I think the outcome of infants developing COVID in the hospital is unjudicated, meaning

that they're testing every single child.

The kids carry it like crazy, they're hospitalized for other reasons, so I don't think the endpoints

valid, it's not randomized.

Then we have this healthy vaccinee bias where people are really concerned about their health

tend to take vaccines and those less concerned, don't take vaccines.

I think all of those add up to an invalid study, so I wouldn't interpret it as being meaningful.

I know it's published and these are promoted because those who are interested in promoting

vaccines take invalid studies like this and promote them, and they won't show the other

side of that, Thorpe and colleagues have published that, you know, there's fetal hemorrhage

and all kinds of problems when women take the vaccine with their babies, the women have

problems, and so without showing both sides of it, without being randomized, I would interpret

it to be not valid.

Okay, there's next one's from Peggy.

Hello, America out loud family.

I love it when you use that Peggy.

I send in much love to my brother's malcom, Peter, and now our bright brother, Nick.

I love it.

I love it.

Oh, Nick will like that.

He'll take that as a compliment.

I lit up when I heard Nick mention Gert Vanden Bosch's view that COVID vaccination had

altered our immune responses to the virus.

I had followed both Dr. McCullough and Gert from the beginning of the pandemic.

Gert had stood solid through years of study and is still, as he says, 200% convinced that

mass vaccination has created such immune pressure on the Omnichran variant that is about

to make a major phase shift.

The mildness of the disease that may be interpreted as coexistence is more like exhaustion before

transformation.

He's expecting a hypervirus to emerge that will cause a lot of deaths and no one is listening

to his one.

It's very interesting.

He wraps it up this way.

Peggy says, please tell us what we can do to survive this.

Gert V. Correct.

Who will be in danger the most severe disease?

I'd like Malcolm's wife had a severe Delta infection and the Omnichran without hospitalization.

Are innate immune systems trained to handle such a virus?

Could you please research and help us with this?

No one else is brave enough to speak out.

We need you.

And that's me and you, Dr. McCullough.

Wow.

That's pretty heavy stuff.

90% of us have had the infection, 10% haven't.

And 81% of us took a vaccine.

So that's the backdrop.

So most of us, most Americans have seen this before.

And so the most recent variant is here, by the way, Malcolm, and it has a new name.

It's cicada.

Do you know what a cicada is?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Was that bug?

Huge bug and cicada stands for rebirth or resurrection.

So it's almost as if COVID is resurrecting itself.

And this question is really, you know, perfectly timed.

So far, it looks, you know, it looks like a mild illness.

And there's no signs that COVID is going to take a turn for the worst.

But I would imagine the most at risk would be those who took the most vaccines because

the immune system is misdirected for prior versions of the variant.

And then the new variant comes in and it's almost like, you know, kind of giving a right

hook or a left hook and boxing.

Boom.

You can end up with a severe case.

All right.

Well, that was a great question and answer there.

Very interesting.

The thinking on that exactly and you never know today.

You just don't know, especially when you're going on out here.

This one's from Cecilia.

My husband received two Pfizer shots with the last one being in March of 21.

I looked up how bad his batches were and there were no deaths associated with either

shot.

Only a small number of adverse reactions.

In February of 24, my husband started feeling like headed and tightness in his chest.

We went to the doctor and he was diagnosed with premature ventricular contractions on

VCs.

He was put on the Sotalo, Sotalo, to men.

He has currently experienced in them about 6% of the time after we're in a heart monitor.

Have you heard of the vaccine-related injuries causing PPCs?

I know you can't give specific medical advice.

God bless you.

But do you have any clinical suggestions for us at all?

He has never had heart problems, nor does he have a family history of it.

He's an avid bike rider and listen how Cecilia rather ends this.

Beautiful.

Thank you and Malcolm for your tireless energy and help in us.

You both are awesome.

I thank you, Cecilia, for saying that.

I got it.

I got it.

I got it.

This is a type of case I see in the office and I think it is due to the vaccine.

It's subclinical vaccine, mild paracorditis, the heart.

Given a long enough period of time, remember the vaccine is still chugging away in the body

even now, producing spike protein.

The spike protein irritates the heart, causes these extra beats.

The unusual thing about this case is the use of the drug soda law.

Soda law is a very unique beta blocker medication and it's notorious for actually causing abnormal

heart rhythms.

So it has a particular danger to it.

When it suppresses abnormal heart rhythms, that's great.

But we have to be wary that it has a pro-arithmic fact.

So I can't give direct medical advice, but in my practice, I measure the spike protein

antibody.

If it's elevated over a thousand, use wellness company ultimates by detox.

In this case, I would use an anti-inflammatory prescription called culture scene and then

I would ride those and see if this whole problem can't seem to unwind itself and then

get off the soda law.

Personally, I would be uncomfortable being on that for the long term.

Well, there you go, so it's here you.

Thank you.

I hope to see you in Nashville, by the way, especially you and Peggy with all those beautiful

hugging comments and love you gave us their beauty.

That's who I'm looking to meet out there, actually, as people like that.

A general, from a theoretical perspective, the most dangerous vaccine lots are the ones

that could have the likelihood to reverse transcribe.

If a person detox from a spike took part in heavy sweat in and had a low antibody count,

could it be possible that vaccine hasn't reverse transcribed and is cleared?

Yes.

I think it's very possible.

You know, just the degree of reverse transcription has not been tested by lot.

No government agency in the world is evaluating this despite please to do so.

So we're left with a lot of empiricism, a lot of careful thought, but I like the analysis

in the, you know, in the pretext and that question that you know, listen, if everything's

low, doing everything right, hopefully it's out of the body.

All right.

Perfect.

All right.

This one's from Ashley.

If the mRNA was found in breast milk, could it be excreted in urine, saliva, and semen

as well as sweat?

On a side note, isn't it more complicated to say it gets removed by sweat because breast

milk is lipid rich, whereas sweat glands excrete mainly minerals and doesn't mobilize fat

stores, like the mammary glands do, right?

Thank you for answering the question.

Dr. McIlley, yeah, go ahead.

That's it.

Yeah.

That's a fair question.

So milk is modified sweat and the question is, is it coming out, the messenger RNA and

spiked coming out because of the lipid fraction?

And I would say no.

I mean, the lipid nanoparticles are, you know, how the product is administered.

But when it's found circulatory, we're actually finding it in small little packets called,

called exosomes.

And hopefully those exosomes come out in sweat as well.

We find the vaccine right in the skin and thinking of my patient who we've done the skin

biopsies on.

So hopefully it comes out in sweat.

So what about other secretions?

Well, you know, the saliva comes from salivary glands.

It has some similarities to modified sweat or milk.

Vaginal secretions are largely different.

They're almost like lubricant type secretions, the same thing in the lungs.

So I wouldn't be surprised if we're left with various glands like the mammary glands and

the sweat glands.

And so these other, what's called paracrine, these other paracrine cells may not get rid

of it.

Now, it should not come out in the urine or come out through the GI tract.

We don't see any signs that it's catabolized by the liver of the kidneys.

There is a group in Italy that's working with a form of augmented enocetal cysteine.

Although the product they have on the market doesn't indicate it's been augmented anyway

on the label.

They claim to have spike fragment measurements in the urine, but at a recent meeting, which

I attended, they said they're not going to release the data to anyone.

So we can't see that.

So we're kind of left with their oral claim that that's the case.

It seems to me that if spike was coming out in the urine or the GI tract, we'd have

somebody somewhere measuring it and reporting it.

And so far, six years into the pandemic, nothing.

Okay.

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