CHANCE ENCOUNTERS: The Strangest Strangers We've Met

Welcome back guys, Tim and Joe's awesome podcast. Glad you're here. It's going to be a good one.

The topic, Joe. Yeah, we got today we're talking chance encounters.

What are the strangest strangers that are still living rent-free in your head?

Before we get to that. Okay. Yeah, a little bit of banter. Let me just tell you, Joe left the topic

in a very unusual place. Okay. I got a text saying this week's topic is at the left foot

of the Tin Man in Bernheim, for us. Well, and speaking of chance encounters, I mean,

just running into you as I was leaving Bernheim, for us, was delightful. Yes. So we,

so that text did come after I bumped into you. Yeah. It wasn't quite... It was a chance encounter.

I think it's solidified the topic. Man, what a good topic. I've certainly been thinking about it,

but you should know the story. I haven't told you yet. Yeah. And I'm not just saying that for

the podcast. I really haven't told you this. No, I don't know what happened here. So you left

around one... No, you left around 230. Okay. And I arrived around 230. Okay. And then we,

chance encounter. And then I was there with a bunch of people. I was there with the U-Banks. I was

there with... What a crew. Yeah. The Mias. It was getting better. So we hung out very briefly

at the playground. And then we did a little hike down to Ness, a little baby, the baby giant.

Oh, I love that. And then we did some tag and the field back there. And it was, it was very fun.

All that to say is that we, the park closes at five. No big deal. We're going to make it to the

10-man, 10-man's a new exhibit. So I told you as I was leaving, I had one quick stop before I left,

I was going to go visit the 10-man at 27-foot 10-man from Wizard of Oz that's in Burnham Forest,

which is remarkable. Sounds like you've seen it. So I didn't have seen it. Okay. I saw... All

so brief. It was very brief. So I have to go back. I told you, I'll leave you a message at,

I guess I just said the left foot. The left foot of the 10-man. That's right. And I've never seen

the 10-man. I assumed he had a left foot. And you were right. I was right. You were really good.

I get intuition. So we get back to the playground at four and I tell everybody like, hey guys,

I have to go to the 10-man. Joe has left me a note at the 10-man's foot. We're asking around

at the playground to strangers. Anybody know how to get to the 10-man? This dude's like, oh yeah,

it's just you take a left right here. However, they've gated it off at four o'clock. You can't get

up there because they're trying to get people slowly out of the park. So there's no way to get to the

10-man. Oh, well that's that's not a problem for you, right? So surely not. So leave me a said,

I'll be the lookout. Because you know, they are definitely aggressively getting people out of

their park in the nicest way. But they definitely want to go home to their families. But Jake and I

hopped over the fence, the gate, and we started walking. Okay. And it's a bit of a hike up there.

You know, four o'clock. The other thing is that Stephanie for weeks had been planning a date. So

it was like, hey, we have a hard out at five to get home to do this date. It is four o'clock now.

And it's four o'clock, four, 15. Not a problem. Anyway, so we hop over the fence. We get to

walking. Oh man, Jake and I just hanging out. We chit-chatting. As you remember from your drive,

it is the 10-man's back there. Yeah. 10-man's not right there at the gate. He's in the forest.

Where he belongs. That's right. Actually, the other prick road. I'm sure. I think we need to get him

an oil can. He was not moving. But we walked back there. And we walked back there. And we kept

walking back there. And we just expected, oh, at any moment, a park ranger is going to stop us,

right? Sure enough, Carr pulls up. I'm like, Jake, here's what we say.

Well, Lee was supposed to be looking out here. What happened?

So Lee, bless his heart. His story is that he missed the turn. I don't know how you can do that.

It's the first turn. And he said he was going to loop. But I don't think he've looped. I think

he just kept going. I'm getting out of here. I got it. So anyways, this car is pulling up.

And the idea was to say, hey, my friend left something at the left foot of the 10-man,

and he asked if I could go get it. All true. That was the story. That's not even a story.

Yeah, but that's true. But it does sound like you left like you're walling. But we were, you know,

whatever. So this person pulls up. But instead of acting like, oh my gosh, we're caught. I was

waving her down. I was like, over here. Yeah, that's right. Get it over here. So she pulls up.

And she's like, are you guys okay? I'm like, oh my gosh. Is the 10-man close? A friend of mine

left something at his foot. And I'm supposed to go get it. She's like, oh, well, I'm actually

the the artist, the resident artist of Bernheim right now. So she didn't make the 10-man, right?

She didn't make the 10-man. Maybe she is. But she's doing photos at night of all the animals.

She's doing some cool photography. Okay. She's like, well, I wish I could tell you. And listen,

she has enough common sense not to invite two total strangers into her car. But she's like,

I don't know where the 10-man is because I'm new here. Where was the gate? Where was the gate?

The gate was right when you turn left. There's like a little pavilion off down the the culvert a

little bit. Oh, no. And then there's the gate. I didn't expect the gate to be right there. It's like,

it's like it's not like 200 feet past the turn. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it is an absolute hike. You probably have

a mile? Probably a mile. Probably more than a mile. Because it took us about

it's probably a mile and a half. One way. Probably a mile. I make sense. It is back there.

So this woman, yeah. So she's so kind though. She's like, oh, yeah, well, I know it's down there.

I don't know where it is though. Okay. Okay. Well, thank you so much. And she zooms off.

So we keep walking. We keep walking. We're still walking. We just do the walk. We keep walking.

And then she comes back and she's like, Hey, I was just at the tin man. I looked everywhere. I didn't see

I didn't see anything. You know, I was like, Oh, well, actually, it's a note at the left foot

that my buddy left to tell me what the podcast is for next week. You were hoping not to have to say

but she was she's an artist. She was like, you didn't tell me it was a secret note. She was like,

so she's like, listen, you're almost there. It's it's a little bit fun. You're all you can make it.

I was like, I don't know if we're going to make you can make it. I was like, the park is closing

because now it is. Yeah. Now it is like for 50. Oh, we are. Oh, you know, you're not going to

hit your five o'clock. You've already made fees with that. Like to carry on at this point,

if the cops come, tell them to just take me in because I don't want to go. I don't want to face

it'd be better than when I'm up against. So anyways, but she's like, you could do this. Go.

So anyways, I'd say I tell Jake, like, Hey, I think I'm going to run ahead.

You're running now. And I'm going to see you. So there's a 10 night. I run over there.

Like a beacon, like a lighthouse. Oh my god. I was so glad to see that guy. He was and he's still there.

Truly mesmerizing. A beautiful creature in the woods. I didn't really I didn't look too much.

Just a little quick. But then again, what's the left foot? And I couldn't find it because you

had hidden it in plain sight. Well, I didn't want to even eat it. What did you write it on?

Some tree bark tree bark. I wanted to say it's all about. I just wanted to be natural. I wanted to

blend in. What do you I don't want to litter? What do I write on receipt of these? You know what I mean?

It's a good point. Burn time. So I'm looking around. I'm like, I don't see a note. She told me

there's I didn't see anything. But then I found the little piece of bark that you've written

it on. I was like, Oh, okay, chance of counters. Amazing. And it was perfect because you know, like

burn after reading or like mission impossible where this tape self destructs. Yeah. I put it in my

pocket. And by the time that we had run back, it had totally disintegrated. Absolutely disintegrated.

It was like perfect. So anyways, we did get back. The wife gave me that look and I had already told

Jake. And so Jake and I just laughed quite a bit about that look. And we still made it to the date

now. We were a little rush, but we still made it to the date. Just on time. I'll work that. But

what an epic journey. You knew the assignment way to go. I love it. I love it. That was

I'm impressed. I thought that there was a chance that the note wasn't going to stick around. And

I may have been less encouraging. If I had been in that car, but you had the right person

at the right time, don't give up. Don't give. We need to get it on the back. Yeah. Arts and

residents. We'll find her. Yeah. We'll find her. I see those pictures. Yeah. Oh my goodness.

Well, you got it. So it was. It was chance encounters. That's the topic for today.

And you know, the thing that really started this for me is that a brand new documentary came out.

Oh, tell us more on HBO. And I knew it was about a case that you had some familiarity with,

right? Because you've shared, we've talked about this case before. I have my own very minor connection

to the documentary, but nothing like you, right? And so this, this, the documentary is called

Murder and Glitterball City. It's on HBO. It's definitely worth a watch. It's a, it's a really good

who done it. And if you're from Louisville, you'll really enjoy it. If you're not from Louisville,

you may think that we have the most berserk people who live here, imaginable. Yeah.

They were having some fun with Louisvillians and at their expense, in my opinion, in some ways.

But it's a great documentary about a, what they call the, he said, he said murder, right? Because

two, you know, companions, two men, both who were living together, there was a body in their

basement. And they both pointed the fingers at each other. In the documentary, they actually show

you the interrogations, them saying, basically, the exact same story, just replacing the other

person's name in the series of events. But I knew you knew one of the people who came into the

coffee shop. So how do you, how do you know him? Yeah. So month was our regular at the coffee shop.

And I did read up, I haven't watched the documentary, but I was reading up on it. And it was,

yeah, it was like, whoa, because I remember when the story broke, because the day before

month, who's a regular, the coffee, was a regular at the coffee shop, Quad shot on ice.

That's what it got every time. That's a maniac's order, right? That is. If I had known that

going into the documentary, I'd be like, he did it. Yeah, he did. Quad shot on ice. That dude is,

hopped up ready to go. He always was dressed at the nines, nice shoes, spiky hair.

And I, you know, my buddy, Asa had just moved, like the week before. And so the day before he got

arrested, a month did. Asa had mentioned, because we always chit chat with the regulars that he had

moved. And he was looking for some couches and some furniture. And so a month had said, oh,

well, me and my partner, we are always flipping houses. And so we've got a ton of furniture down

in the basement. You should come over and just take your pick. He invited you into the basement.

Well, he invited Asa into the basement. He invited Asa and Kenny was there. And so I found out

later because I was working the next day. And then they were like, you wouldn't believe this.

Dude was just arrested. And Asa almost went to his basement to get stuff. But Asa was like,

now, you know, you're, yeah, I just don't think so. And it wasn't anything suspicious. It was just

like, with a regular, you keep them in that warm, regular distance. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I'm not coming to your basement, picking out furniture. I'm not doing that.

Dude's got good instincts, man. I think he's he can rely on his instincts. Yeah, I think it was

the next day. It broke that they had found the body in the basement. Yeah, tell us a little bit

more about the ins and outs of that. Yeah. So, you know, we went, Katie and I went on a old

level ghost tour a couple, probably it's probably 10 years ago. And the guy who actually gave us

the tour wrote a book about this and HBO based a documentary around the book that he wrote.

And, you know, from what I remember him telling us was that the body was discovered. And the

documentary goes into a lot of this too. The body was discovered after one of them had been arrested

for domestic violence. And in the cop car on the way over, the guy who's going to jail basically

just to throw throws everything at the wall and says, there is a body in my basement. And my

partner's done it. They bring in the partner and the partner says, you know what? Actually,

the other guy did it. And there is no, there's only circumstances. There's nothing to be able to

determine who did it. But they in the middle of the night, right after that arrest, they go,

I think it's two in the morning, they spent all night digging up the basement,

which was scheduled to be concreted over in the next immediate future.

I didn't know that.

Yes. So they brought the concrete guy on. And that was one thing I learned from the tour.

And that, you know, they were going to basically entomb this body. And how much more difficult

it would have been to get to the bottom of this that happened. But basically, you've got two people,

one of them, punk rock, criminal history, fits the bill, looks the look of somebody who is

just a loose cannon, right? And then you've got Mr. Quadshot on ice, Jeffrey, Jeffrey

Munn, who is like IT manager vibe. He's got like a LinkedIn profile headshot. It looks very

professional, you know, and they try them separate. And they've got to determine, you know,

well, who was really responsible for this? But they charged them both with the exact same three

crimes, which is around murder in the first degree, tampering physical evidence, and one other

lesser charge, right? And the dude was killed. So there's a third dude, he was killed during

a Managetwa, right? That's right. That's right. And somebody, well, something was happening,

shot this dude in the neck. Is that what happened? He was shot and stabbed in the neck,

and then placed in a 50 gallon Tupper container, basically, right? And then buried in the basement.

And that was six months before everything unfolds. And both of them broke the dude's bones,

so he was foldable into this container. But we really just don't know who fired the shots and

who stabbed the dude. And we don't know who placed them in the container, because they're both

going to say the other person did that. And they're both going to say that the only reason that

they had to keep their mouth shut is because they were under constant surveillance and pressure

from the other to stay silent, and that it was their own lives to stay, basically, to stay silent.

Okay. So, you know, I want to unpack there. You were seeing Mr. Munt every day,

you know, Mr. Quachat on ice. They were under a lot of drugs, by the way.

meth was the drug a choice. Does that track for you? I mean, I guess I wouldn't have guessed that.

Yeah. It's crazy how people can present. It's unbelievable. I couldn't, because I was

only watching through the lens of what you had told me. And you had told me a lot of different

pieces that make appearances in the documentary. And they all check out Munt was telling the truth

about so many things. But was it him or was it his partner? Because you told me one of the first

times that Munt gets in trouble with law enforcement is some counterfeit bills. Yeah. In Chicago,

you told me, you told me this before the documentary even comes out. And they go in depth on this.

Yeah. And the documentary does present it as if Munt was the instigator in the counterfeit bills.

Wow. And he told you the exact opposite, right? Yeah. And we didn't even know he just was there

every day. And then for like a week, maybe two weeks, he didn't come in. Yeah. So you, you know,

you wonder what happened to my regular? He came in. We were like, oh man, where you been? We

haven't seen like two weeks. He's like, oh my gosh, I was up in Chicago. You wouldn't believe

a stupid my boyfriend is. He had counterfeit bills and they caught him with it. And we, I told him,

I don't know anything about that. I don't know. So yeah. So. So and there's, it is true that the

partner, his name is Joey, Joey. He does take the fall for this. Now he's in life for prison

with other possibility parole. And he's in the documentary. His child didn't go so well.

His child didn't go so well. Now he had a criminal history. Again, he looks the look.

And I feel like that may have been his downfall in my opinion because there is a lot of,

to me, there's a lot of signals that really he was in a bit of a domestic,

definitely power dynamic, you know, relationship. One of the reasons they know that you'll see

in the documentary is there is a lot of footage of the two of them just hanging out of the park,

hanging out of the house. Just maybe they're on like a meth binge, whatever they're doing.

But at some point, Joey decides that he's going to start filming things because

he seems to be a little scared about month. And so he, some of it's in secret. Some of it's not.

But otherwise is you'll see, you'll see in the very opening segment of the documentary,

you will see Joey talking to camera, saying, you know, I had, I had no, I, my, my boyfriend

and had nothing to do with a murder. And it was all me. And the only reason he hasn't spoken

was because I've been threatening to kill him. And I have a gun pointed at him right now.

And he shows the gun in the documentary. He shows he's pointing it right at him.

He pans the camera. And then it cuts off. And that's the, that is the recording.

Pretty on the nose. Pretty on the nose, right? That's, that's enough.

To get him locked up for life. But what isn't shown is that he secretly or may stakingly took

two other recordings, where he walks up to month. And just says, man, I, I did my best

on that recording. Did I get you what you need? And he says, yep. Wow.

All right. So I don't know. I think we'll never know. But month is now out of jail.

Right? Yeah. Yeah. He served a few years. I think, yeah, I got out in 23.

Look like. Because he was just convicted for like tampering with evidence,

maybe like, improperly exposing my body, that kind of thing, but not murder.

Right? It is, it is salacious. You will see, I mean, they're, because they were really into some

very kinky type of things. And they have videos of these interactions. And you are forced to watch

them. And mostly in the documentary, you're, you're seeing the perspective of the, like,

the courtroom watching this. And you're hearing the audio. But you can see, there's definitely,

it feels like there's some power dynamics that are, that are at play. So, well, it was definitely

a chance encounter. That's somebody you won't, you won't soon forget, right? No. Every month.

No, I won't. Man, that's crazy. It's crazy, right? Murder and glitter ball city.

Crazy. Well, I'm going to piggyback on that. I know that was my chance encounter. I want to give you

one more. Yeah, that's more bid and wonderful. You got another one of these. Oh, it's, it's

tremendous. Who was coming to this coffee shop? Well, this was different. So, this was, my folks had

taken us, me, my brother on a cruise. And the cruise took off of Venice, Italy, and then we went

to Greece and stuff, and we came back to Venice. Okay. So, we had some days in Venice on the front

in the bag. It was beautiful, beautiful time. It's been about, it's been about 20 years.

Ooh, it's been, you heard about this. Maybe 15. I don't know. Something like, anyways.

So, it just so happened in Venice, it was like, the big art festival at the same time. And so,

like, we had a day on the front, we had two days on the back. I don't remember exactly how to

just shook out, but like, me and my brother were like, mom, dad, we'll see you. We're going to just,

we're going to just like wander. Now, Venice, of course, is kind of like a maze. I don't know,

if you've been to Venice, but it's small town. You're just walking, you just take a left here,

right here, and it's not like a real left. It's like, Vier, Vier. You know what I'm saying?

Beautiful European city. And there's art exhibits here. And there's art exhibits there. And

Christopher and I are instinctual to like, if it's, you know, how a city has a Feng Shui, right?

Anything has a Feng Shui. Like, you're designed to proceed this way. Should I be saying Feng Shui

is Feng Shui? Maybe I'm saying I guess it's Feng Shui. I don't know. Putting the fun

batten Feng Shui. You know what I'm saying? Okay. Well, so we're inclined, if you're going straight

to always just turn. Like, we're just inclined to go against the goal of that. So we're in our way,

weaseling our way through Venice, and we end up, and then we also have these eyes for like,

what is this, right? So it was, you know, giant statues here, paints up there, murals up here,

it was, and it's not like a museum. This is like a gallery. So it's like all current artists,

everybody trying to outdo each other, um, bigger, better, crazier, whatever. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Um, so we wind through the city, and then we get like, we get kind of lost. It's easy to

get lost, but you're going to find your way. But you get a little lost. And when suddenly we're like

way out from wherever that art exhibits stuff is like, these are quiet streets. This is a quiet

Venice. We're walking around, and there is a little shop that has like, um, it's white,

so it's big glass windows, little tiny shop, and it's got like, uh, stuff written on the outside

of it. And we're peeking inside, um, and there's nobody inside. It's just like a wall full of,

somebody had written stuff, words, all words, and all, uh, three of the walls, the fourth wall

being the glass entrance. And there's a little pedestal with like a little, um, tin box on it,

right? And it's weird enough in this kind of quiet area to be like, what is this? You know,

anyways, you know, Italy, people take lunch breaks. And when they take a lunch break, they take a

lunch break. So we didn't realize it, but this was lunch break time. And so nobody was in there,

but the woman comes back. She's like, oh, you guys here for the art exhibit. We're like, yeah,

yeah, art exhibit. This didn't know it was happening here. She's like, oh, yeah, please come in,

please come in. So we walk in and she's like, okay, so this is an installation from this artist,

a camp member's name. Um, he likes to really get to know a person. And then he creates an art

exhibit around that person. Um, so this person here that our artist has partnered with, um,

he finds people, especially who have a terminal illness. That's important. Okay.

Find people who have a terminal illness. And then he learns as much about them as possible.

And then he creates an art installation. So if you can see here, this man grew up in Africa.

And in Africa, they have the big three, which is like, you have to kill a line. You have to kill an

elephant and you have to kill a care boo or something like that. And so here's like writing about

the story of how his dad promised he would kill all three with him. But he only got two out of

three. And then how about isn't that life? We are greatest adventures. We do have these moments

where we kill the line. We kill the elephant, but we never got to the third, but life moves on.

That that's Milo. Two out of three and bad, right? Oh, there you go. You know, there you go. Yeah,

Milo probably was at this exhibit at some point. Um, and so then just through the life, then he moves

to London. He meets a beautiful woman and, uh, you know, then they have kids and he wanted to

have the kids, but now they're not in Africa. They're in London. There's no way they're going to get

even one of the big three. She tells us like this dude's whole life story. And she's like Andy's

partnering with somebody else now. This man has passed away. And we were like, Oh, yeah, well,

absolutely. Yeah, it's cool. So so what's in the 10 box on the pedestal? You know, what's in the

10 box? She was like, Oh, that is part part of his artistry is he has the person who, uh, he's

working with, uh, donate a body part. And we were like, no. What? No.

It sounded like such a good deal for my legacy before you dropped that ball on me. Like, okay,

wait, what's the last step? So she's like, yeah, so in this one, um, we're like, well, what's in

the box? She's like, it's his hand. My brother and I were like, it's his hand. It was different,

man. It was different. I don't know. Now, I don't remember her saying this, but Christopher swears

that she said that he had taken that man's hand, put the paintbrush in it and had written the whole

thing because he wanted it to be so authentic that this man was writing his life story with the

no. I don't remember that part. That wouldn't work with it. It's all my work. Well, so at, but we

can both agree that there was a 10 box on a pedestal and the middle of the thing. And, um, I said,

oh, can we see it? Of course, he made it this far. She was shocked. She was like, you want to see

it? I was like, well, yeah. Has she seen it? I don't know. Um, but yes, so she lifts open the lid

of this 10 box and there from, like, just below the elbow. That's more than I expected. Is, uh, yeah.

That's hand in arm. Hand in arm. And it's a liquid, like, from out of, I don't know what it was,

to where when she lifted it up, the water swished or the from aldehyde swished and his arm here

was just swaying in the waves of this, uh, of this kind of stuff. And it was tremendous. I can't

believe it. It was tremendous. You will never forget this man. You know about his life. You've

seen his arm. And that was enough to live rent free. That's his strangest encounter I could

ever imagine. It was pretty crazy. It's crazier than watch out on ice. Somewhere out there,

because then we said, oh, well, you did tell us he's working with somebody else. She said, yes,

he's working with this man. He's an alcoholic and he's hoping to donate his pancreas or his liver

or something like that. Okay. And then we were like, wow, this has been tremendous.

Can we, do we pay? She's like, no, no, no, no. This is just, it's art. You don't pay.

But we felt compelled. But in our pants, uh, each of us had like one, uh, euro, you know?

So we were like, can we give you two euros? She was like, okay, I'll take this for luck.

And, uh, I think about that often. Of course, I think about the hand, but I often think about

the little, because, you know, it's easy to be a penny pension. It's easy to budget everything.

And then you find 50 cents in your pocket, right? Yeah. That's not, we literally don't have pennies

anymore. Yeah. But when I find two quarters in my pocket, I'm like, this is for luck. You know what I'm

saying? That's really good. That is really good phenomenal. Wow. It's on the morbid

chains. That's on the man. I love it. I mean, in a lot of ways, it is very life-giving for

those man's memory, the hand. Hey, it's a choice. Yeah, that's a choice. Hand and arm. Let me

let's try to change them. Yeah, part of that arm made it. Part of that arm. Bow and muscle. Wow. I

mean, it's being preserved in a manner that is like, it's in formaldehyde, but like, it's in a

little wooden box that swishes, swishes. Yeah, there was some swishing. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

Surely she must have known someone was going to ask, she's seen the arm. I don't know if she was

horrified or thrilled. Like, it was one of, you know, that face is kind of the same. It's like,

and it all happened so quick. Maybe she was like, somebody has to see this hand, or maybe she was

like, you're a monster. Yeah, but yeah, that's terrific. Well, I mean, that certainly qualifies

well. You've nailed chance and kind of. And then we tried to go back there the next day,

but there was no way to find your way back. Sure. Or you can tell everybody about this arm. You had

the whole crew. They wanted to see this arm. Well, I think at least we wanted to prove to them

that this was a true story, you know. I don't think my mom would have asked to see the dude's hand,

but but yeah, it's tries. We might be like, wait, it was a left here. And then it was the left

right. All the houses looked the same. Oh, my gosh. So yeah, we can have fun. That is the best.

And that is my favorite thing to do when exploring a city's just get lost. Well done, man. Always

pace off. Man, it does. Every time. You got it. I got to give you a hand. You did. Wow.

All right. What about you? I can't even come near that, but I sometimes wonder if I've been the

guy who's the. And I would love to ask you about that. We have time. I've got to because

I'm sure we both have. Sometimes you think you're the guy that donated a hand? No, no. I mean,

I'm not against it. Yeah, I'm not against it. I'm not asking for anything terminal, but

what a way to go. You know. No, have you ever been the guy that's just like, well, that was a

weird encounter. I've definitely been that guy. I was like, what? Yeah, what's that? Give me an

example. Man. Oh, my God. One that comes to mind. I wasn't not prepared for that, but.

Do we need to take a moment? I think I think when those encounters, I'm probably the guy

they'd seem rather forget. No, I remember when I was in high school, I used to walk, I used to

go to the bathroom and then do an entire lap around. I mean, I just, I love, you know, I love me

Andron. Yeah. And so I would never use the restroom and I would just do a lap. And I had a little

game when I got to the dark ROTC hallway. Okay. That was always like pretend I'm army man.

So I'd be in the hallway by myself. And I would turn the corner. And as soon as I turned the

corner, I would just like start army crawling. I'd be on the ground. I'd be army crawling,

inching on the ground. And like, like a cartoon, I'm inching on the ground and I like run in

to some boots. I look up is the ROTC guy. And he's just like, get up. So I don't know if that,

I mean, like just is demeanor was just like, I've what on earth are you doing? What is wrong with

the use of the world? And yeah. So like, that's why I'm just like, man, I wonder if he thinks about

that as much as I do because that was I hope he does. I hope so. I hope I think it was good for him.

Yeah. You know what I mean? I'm surprised he didn't just recruit you on the spot like,

bro, that's an army crawl. That's an army crawl. You know, you might not be you don't know if you're

ready for it unless you try it out. You know, I just like to dip my toes in, you know what I mean?

It seems pretty serious once you get in there. So it's not the kind of thing that you want to be

halfway and halfway out when you get in. Like I was kind of mean, it wasn't for me. I still enjoy

an army crawl every once in a while. Yeah. When's the last time you army crawled? Last time my army

crawled, well, have you been to activate? Yes. Yeah. Pretty important part. You've been training for

it all your life. Oh, yeah. It's nothing. Well, especially when I'm an activate, usually I'll take

the roll technique rather than the army crawl technique. All right. And sometimes I do that

on the whole way too. It just so happened that I was just I was a bootlicker right then in there.

I was literally bootlicker. Okay. That's a huge tangent. Okay. The best thing I can do that even

comes close to your experience is a few probably at least 10 years ago. There was a group on

online for a chance to hold and interact with exotic monkeys. Whoa. It's problematic here in the

little here in Louisville. Wow. In Southern Indiana actually. Wow. Okay. But it's it's problematic.

I didn't think much about it. I've reflected on it. It's maybe not the best thing to do if you see

that kind of thing. But I thought very little about it at the time, about the group on showed up.

And this I we go to this compound in Southern Indiana that is completely off the beaten path.

I couldn't even tell you how we got there. But it was different than I expected.

When we arrived, there were so much more than monkeys. There were like tigers and lions and

alligators and any basically anything that didn't belong in Southern Indiana was there.

And we're like waiting around figuring out like what do we do? Like there's like a shed. There's

like a room. There's like what's next. And there's a guy in there who is who starts talking to us

about all of his animals. And these are all this is giant collection of animals. Wow.

And he has so many animals that clearly he can't advertise on group on so much more than monkeys.

What he wants to show them all to you. He wants to show them all to us. And we're not really sure

if it's a brag or a warning or yeah or what or what's going on here. But one thing that stood out

that we weren't expecting is he used the N word? No. And he was he was white. Okay. Which

I'm sure I probably already told you that when I told you he collects tigers.

Yeah. I was picturing some Caucasian. Yeah. You nailed it.

You know the European bloodline, you know, it breeds people who breed tigers.

It does. I don't know of any other bloodline. I can say because I'm part of that bloodline.

I'll find it. Yeah. There's an urge. There's an urge. There's something in there.

Most of us can can move on from that urge. We should not. Not all of us.

Collect. Listen. My last name is Newland. I've got urges sometimes. All right.

Collecting tigers isn't one of them. Forgive me. But this guy collected tigers.

In rather small like enclosures. Okay. Definitely manmade enclosures. You know what I mean?

Somebody in Portland could make a tiger enclosure I've learned for sure.

Just made a collection of rope at times. Oh my god. Chain link at times. I don't know

final sighting at times. Oh my god. This thing was rinky dink. Yeah. I mean,

anyways, so by the time we were not sure like are we going to be tiger-fitting?

Can you take the kids? No, no, this was like this is before kids for sure. Yeah, this is

before kids. We do the monkey thing. The monkeys are fun. They climb all over us.

There's all different kinds of monkeys. Monkeys have never seen before.

Anybody have on the tour? There were other people. Other people showed up. This is like an

unair conditioned room, though, where you sit down. You sit crisscross applesauce. You sit in a big

circle and then they open up a door and monkeys run in. And the monkeys, you're really just

supposed to sit there with your hands to yourself and you let the monkeys do what monkeys do.

And they climb all over you. They jump from one person to the other and they go crazy.

How big are these monkeys? Some of them were really small. Some of them were like,

how much do you know about monkeys? Not a lot. Then this is going to stall out pretty good.

But so they range from this size? You know a lot about monkeys. No, nothing about monkeys.

I'll show up for a monkey, but they range from this size. So they're like six inches for

auditory lists. Standing erect? Here? Maybe? Yeah, maybe three feet. Maybe less than three feet.

Two and a half. A three foot monkey standing on the street. It actually

be like crazy. Yeah, two and a half feet to ten inches these monkeys. We do that. We go home.

We think about it a lot, but we don't really think about the guy in the documentary.

Well, he was in the parking lot. Yeah. Until we see a documentary. 2020, COVID, we're watching this

documentary without toilet paper. I'm sure. And Tiger King. That was the dude. It wasn't the main

character, but it was the character Jason. It was like, they were all, I mean, it's a very niche,

like if you collect tigers, then they're all friends. And so they're all, each one of them

is crazier than the last. And the guy in the documentary Tiger King was probably the craziest

of all, but this guy Tim Stark was right there with him. And he was bizarre. And he's in the

documentary. And as soon as we saw him, he's like, that is the guy. Oh my God. That is the guy.

He used the N word. We weren't sure what to do. Yeah. And you don't forget somebody like that.

You don't. No, you don't. Wow. So you met Tim Stark and literally played with his monkeys.

We played with Tim Stark's monkeys. And then we saw him on Tiger King. And he since had 160

animals seized from him, he's no longer allowed to own exotic animals. He said he was in that

documentary. Yeah, he's in the documentary along with all of the salacious misappropriation

of funds and everything else he was doing. Basically, he's doing everything except feeding his

tigers properly apparently. So yeah, Tim Stark. Man. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy.

That's a crazy guy. I'm glad that Tiger didn't get through the vinyl siding.

It was a matter of time. It was a matter of time. Man. So man, that's mine. All right, I got to ask

you now. Okay, so let me let me let me do this. Okay. Because another thing I thought about with

this whole topic was the old Craigslist ads. I love Craigslist. Oh, yes. Yeah. Misconnections.

Yes. You remember? Of misconnections. Misconnections where like you met somebody and like the Walmart

tires. It was a separate time. It was like just this serendipitous meeting. Yeah. But since it has

become an infatuation and you decide to put out on Craigslist, mostly men who probably really

fantasized about whatever this was and mostly women probably who never read these because they

were actually terrified of the encounter. Sure. I think that's accurate. That's accurate.

And it's discontinued. Craigslist is discontinued. It's sad. It's sad. It's sad. I actually have some

not misconnections. I have some great stranger encounters from Craigslist, which are also

because I love Craigslist. But what is your best? Give me your best misconnections ad right here.

For who we do in here? Do you remember what? Are we doing it in the hands? Give me your best.

What? Yeah. Give me something. All right. That's a curveball. I haven't thought of that. That's a curveball.

Misconnections. Misconnections. This will be funny. Let's hear it.

So I was in New York just gosh doing anything except for Plasma and I tried to get Plasma in L.A.

But New York I hadn't gotten. I hadn't gotten that smart yet. But I was also helping build sets.

I was like, let's build a photo set. I don't really even know what I'm doing. And so a friend of mine

had hired me on to build a set for a photo shoot with Martha Stewart. Oh, thanks for thanks.

I'm learning so much from this episode. Incredible woman. For all she's done, you met Martha Stewart.

Yes. I mean, we had a few words. We didn't shoot. Are you living run free in her head?

No. So yes. Let me give you a misconnection because I'm sure I'm living run free in her head.

It wasn't the warmest of interactions. But here it goes. Misconnections. Single white female.

When you picked up the stuffy, and I'm going to read it kind of like a beatnik poet. It helps me.

I saw you reach out and pick up a handful of things giving stuffing. It must have been cold as it

hit your lips. I couldn't help but ask, is it any good? And you said it tastes like stuffing.

When you heard the nail guns and hammers, you said, can they quiet down?

But I wonder if you could say, would you come around?

And then I'll leave my phone number right there.

Beautiful. Off the cuff. Amazing. That's very good. That is a very typical

most mundane interaction. Can you keep that down? But I know you what you really wanted to say.

And they're always so hyper-specific. To the girl in knee-high boots on the L train at 12.35

with the curly hair, I saw you for the slightest moment glanced at my Mario Brothers t-shirt.

A pit? Yeah. That's it. I like it. So specific.

Two. Yeah. You're really specific. Yeah. I wonder if those ever worked out.

I hope for somebody. I hope for somebody. I hope at least somebody got coffee with somebody.

But for every time it worked out, it definitely resulted in at least 10 stockers.

There's a lot there. Yeah. But who knows? Maybe to help the stocker stop stocking.

You know? That's gotta get it out. Yeah. Maybe they're like, if she only knew we'd be so mates,

I'm gonna send it out and it'll trust that the universe. You'll let love go. It comes back.

Yeah. I hope. Yeah. And stockers don't always let things go. But I hope.

They're not great at it. They're not. They're not. What about you? Misconnection.

Oh, I've got no. I don't have any. I am. What? Come on. You've got to. No, that was for you. That was for you.

Come on. Give me your best. I'm a misconnection. Oh my gosh.

There you were. Yeah. I love it. I'm telling you. I love that.

Okay. Okay. There was a time when Katie and I went on a date and we were driving by and we saw

a man with a raccoon on his shoulder. Married or not married dating? We were married.

Okay. Yep. We were married and we were near the Ohio River in Indiana along the

the Louisville loop where there goes there and not. So we see him. We stop. We talk to him.

We find out. I mean, he's memorable for one. He had a raccoon on his shoulder. Yeah.

And it was pretty clear. Where are you staying at? Like he just points into the woods.

And I of course didn't forget but the reason it's burned into my memory because like six months later

George Rogers Clark Cabin in Indiana is arsoned and burned completely down.

Yeah. Yeah. George Rogers Clark Cabin. So this is the Cabin of the brother of

Lewis and Clark. Yeah. But which one? Clark. Yeah. Clark. What's his name? It's Clark. You know

the guy. Yeah. You know. Yeah. And so and and he lived there too. Clark lived at this Cabin

well and stayed there at some point before they went out and went west. Yeah. The thing is gone now

because they have burnt to the ground. When we see the news they have a security footage of somebody

who was seen near the Cabin and it is our raccoon fella. Oh my God. Yes. Wow. The raccoon on him.

No, he didn't have the raccoon on his shoulder but he was doing one of those like he's walking

away looking over to show like almost like the big foot. Oh yeah. You know what I mean? He's

looking back like that's the guy. He put it in the woods. He lived near the Cabin or in the Cabin

or was building something for warmth. I don't really know but the Cabin's gone and he is in jail

but even for one fleeting moment he stood raccoon perched. I said nice raccoon.

He stood there with a raccoon on his shoulder reminiscent of Davey Crockett.

Acune skin cap you could say. He didn't say much but in so many ways that said it all because when

I said where do you live? He said west sun. His boots were aged older than you and I.

The souls well traveled along that god for sick and wilderness. I can only imagine if that fire

burned like my own desire in my own heart. To once again meet my mystery conquester.

Bro that's poetry. I was awful. I don't know you can give me that but man that's true that

happened and yeah I won't forget that guy. I hope he's doing all right. So I think I wanted to

believe that he was trying to like stay warm but apparently he had a little bit of some

arson tendencies. Yeah that's the report I read. You remember this? Oh my gosh.

Yeah. Yes. Happy to meet him though. I love his moment of purity of saying raccoon you have to

stay here. I won't let you be an accomplice. You know what I'm saying? Like I just picture that

dude being like no no no I've got to do this but you. I'm on my own journey. Stay here.

Love the woods. Tell them what happened here in your raccoon woods.

Why do you want to go with him? Believe it. This is our hope for a better tomorrow.

I love it. It's a blazing inferno. I mean why wouldn't you take your raccoon? Go west.

Yeah. For yourself from the trappings of this world. That's amazing. I mean yeah I

hope that's so sad that Kevin's gone but you know I hope he's doing all right and if you ever see

a man with a raccoon on his shoulder just stop and talk. Yeah that doesn't take much. You know

you know what I mean? My uncle Golden Hawk. He had a pet raccoon. Yeah Golden Hawk has a pretty

good nudge towards owning a raccoon. Yeah he doesn't have a raccoon anymore. He's gone back to his

white name of Tommy but he did join a reservation and changed his name to Golden Hawk and he did

have a pet raccoon and he lived in a school bus and I hope people talk to him.

I hope people talk to him. I do. I think we need to really reflect on some unnatural tendencies

of our white heritage. Change things. White people do. That's next episode. Join us next time on

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