Chappell Roan Controversy, The False Prophet Documentary, and Rhode Island Housewives!

Welcome to a cookie jar episode. I'm your host, Chelsea Devantes. I'm a TV writer,

comedian, filmmaker, other, and sometimes I'm in stuff too. And normally this podcast

is discussing memoirs, but we also discuss, you know, trash to elevate your life. And

in the cookie jar episode, we take everything that doesn't fit into our books episode,

our books, our memoirs, our literature, our literary episodes, and we discuss them

all in one cookie jar, anything that fits into the glamorous trash universe. And so today,

we're going to follow up on the health and trauma books that we were looking for in the

Christina Applegate episode. We've got a new smut corner. We're also going to talk

about Chapel Rowne. I did watch the FLDS documentary on Netflix called False Profit.

We may discuss some sports, some sports adjacent cheating that has caught my attention and made

its way into our world. As you know, I am joined by our co-host for all of these episodes. It's

Christina Lopez. Hey, Chelsea, what's going on? Hi, hi, hi, hi. Are you ready for today's

cookie jar? We got a weird little grouping. Yeah, it is a little weird, but you know what? I'm

down with the weird. I'm here for the dried. Let's go here for the ride. Let's go, BP. Well,

let's start with some news from glamorous trash, which is that you have put together another

book club event that where we do like a real ass book club. We did this last year with Girl

on Girl because it just felt like such a book for us. It was nonfiction and it was discussing how

the 2000s basically ruined our lives through pop culture, which is a thesis I carry with me every

day. And we did like a Zoom book club where basically I had some slides and something to take

us through, but then we heard from everyone and their thoughts on the book. It was so great.

We put the episode out as a recording on Patreon. And so it's just for the people who like really

want to book club, everyone is so fun and smart and thoughtful. It was one of my favorite episodes,

and I didn't talk at all. It was everyone else. And now we're doing it again with what book, Christina?

It's called Ask Not, the Women, the Kettities, Destroyed. And essentially we've been asked to do

this book before. We've kind of had iterations of plans on doing it. But I think the Kennedy

drama has come up quite a few times in the latest rounds of memoirs that we've done over the last

like six months I want to say. And also there was the Love Story series that talked all about JFK

Junior's romance with Carolyn Desette. Yeah. That was Ryan Murphy. Did you watch? I watched I think

four or five episodes. I didn't make it all the way through. I think that's right. Yeah. I also

watched. I'm not I think the Kennedy fascination is odd. And and so I actually did not know a lot

at all. Okay. So I would say there was a part of the episodes that were really interesting because

I was just like, what? But then I had to go and read like, Oh, Gerald Hannah didn't act like

that. And so I am very interested in this book because it's a perspective on the women which

really gets ignored in Kennedy history. Yeah. So especially like women in their own family,

their sisters and also the women that marry into the family and all that baggage that comes with it.

Ever since we did Cheryl Heinz memoir and Olivia Newsies memoir and then the dueling memoir

episode, that's where my Kennedy fascination comes from. I know that's no one else has it from that.

Everyone else has it from like Jacqueo. But my fascination is via Cheryl Heinz and I'm excited.

Okay. So can anyone join the book club? Yeah. So for our sugar cookies, it'll be free for those

members. But anyone could be able to join the book club. We'll price it at around $10.

And for $10, you can sit in on the book club, the Zoom book club. And like we said for the

Patreons and for subscribers, we post the audio. So you will get it if you can't make it

to the book club that day. Yeah. But if you want to read it and have a great book club discussion,

we will have that coming for you. And the book club is on May 17th and we'll put out the Zoom

link. All the info will be on the Patreon. The last one was so great. And also you don't have to,

if you're just more of like, I want to listen or you start reading the book, but you don't finish,

you can come and just listen and take part because you don't have to speak. There's no pressure.

Yes. It's cozy. It's a cozy. Yeah. It's a cozy book club about the women who were destroyed in

America, which was also our last book club. The material is so harsh, but we all showed up in

pajamas. I think it was like 90 of us. Yeah. Yeah. It was great. It was shit. Yeah, we should do

this way more often. I'm so glad you reminded me to do this. Yes. And we'll have the link in the show

notes for this particular one. Yeah. And I don't believe you have to be a member of Patreon to join,

but even if you do, there's like a free option. So you just click it and it's easy. Yeah. Okay. Speaking

of books, Christina, so in our other Christina episodes, the Christina Applegate episode. Oh,

man, editing that one was a trip. I bet because you're just hearing your name constantly. No,

that, but there are some overlapping traumas that we have. And I'm like, oh, no.

I think I do. Yeah. I'm so sorry. Christina, you're a hero and a warrior in a champion. Well,

a couple updates from that episode. So one of the cookies, K, they looked up the study that

Christina Applegate had cited in the book. I read it verbatim from the text. So Christina wrote

about this study where if there were three specific traumas that occurred in childhood, your

percentage of being diagnosed with MS later in life went up exponentially. K, one of the cookies

noticed this because it really unnerved them, you know, people go through these things and

like, what does it mean for your health? And actually looked up the study and realized that Christina

had printed the analysis of this study incorrectly. So Christina Lopez, will you read what K found?

Yeah. So according to K, Christina Applegate's quote said, a 93% risk rate for MS with all three

forms of childhood trauma, that is not what the study says. It says 93% higher than the non-traumatized

population. So if one in 100 normally develop it, around two in 100 in the three traumatized

population do, unless I misunderstood a quote, it startled me a lot as someone with all three.

So I pulled up the study. Yeah. I also cited some studies when I was running my memoir about

donor conceived people, which it's also tough to because some studies only have small pools of

people or they were funded by certain places, like you usually want like a broad swath of studies

in order to, you know, talk about things like this. And it is hard when it's like one in four versus

one in a blue blood. So I'm glad K looked this up. It looks like it's a two in 100 chance versus a

one in 100 chance. If you've experienced childhood traumas, like the ones Christina described. So

that was interesting to notes. Also in the episode we talked about the book, my chiropractor had opened

that was like, you know, things you go through in life that create your disease. And how to unfat your

childhood, I think it's where Joe said is that's the title, which is not that is not the title of the

book. I put out a call. I was like, has anyone ever encountered this book in life where, and it

was huge. It was like the size of webster's dictionary. And you could look up specific diseases

and it would connect to the trauma that created such disease. I say this all with what I want to

say this with. I'm going to be very honest with y'all. I 100% absolutely believe and know

that things you go through in your life can create physical illness for you. You can look up

studies like a trauma study where if you've experienced poverty and food insecurity and things

like that, you were that much higher on the trauma scale. However, that's because it's not that

poverty creates trauma. It's that poverty is trauma. But again, this is a little convoluted,

which is all to say, I don't have the science to explain this. I can't exactly say what this is,

but I get so worried talking about this and reading about it because it feels like walking a tight

rope. Yes. And if I make one wrong move, I fall into maha and all of a sudden I'm like putting

robbie on my face. That's what it feels like because I'm like, I know there's truth here,

but like one wrong move and I'm a fucking goner. I have a friend, well a long-lost friend who

the medical community couldn't heal something she was going through. And she was writing about like

the jab and like really racist doctors who were at the insurrection. She was like reposting

their medical studies. So it was like literally a doctor at the insurrection with like their

accent hand posting like that person's study. And so I just always feel so worried discussing

stuff like this because I'm just like, I'm going to what, don't slip everybody out there.

Let's discuss this, but don't slip. Yes. And what was surprising to me, Christina, as I said,

has anyone ever encountered this book? Many people wrote in with different books.

And I had this idea that I would get these books and check them out and like really vet them.

Some of them are like a hundred dollars. Some of them are out of print. And at one point I said,

I can't, I have a job. I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't go into this. I've said we're jobs

honestly. Too many jobs. But I am going to tell you all the books I heard most. One was metaphysical

anatomy. The other was messages from the body and their psychological meaning.

The other one, and this is one I'm real worried about, heal your body, metaphysical causations for

physical illness. I'm already out on a book that's like, you can do it yourself. Yeah, I can't.

I have a hard time with that, you know what I mean? Yeah, I'm really worried about that book,

but someone said maybe that's it, which would be very concerning for me because again,

someone referenced this book when helping me with my, the tumor on my ovary. And then

who's the matter with me was another one and a final one, the secret language of your body.

I'm a little, I think this might be like astrology where like there's some astrology books that are

like sick. Awesome. Yeah. And there's other astrology books where it's like, AI wrote this.

For funsies, because people would buy it. I could totally see a proliferation of that happening

in the next couple of years too. Oh, completely. Yeah. So those are the books. Are you going to

check any of these books out, Christina? I want the secret language of my body. Yeah.

I get to know them secrets. I think the one I'm most interested in is messages from the body

and their psychological meaning. That was the one that's a hundred dollars and looked to be the size

of the one that was in the chiropractors office. That's the one that most looks like my vague memory.

Yeah. So if I ever feel like that's worth a hundred dollars, I'll go down that lane. But if you,

Chelsea, you got a birthday coming up. No, God. There's other things I want for my birthday.

Yeah. So those were our updates on that. Okay. Christina, should we talk about Chapel

Rowne? Yes. Let's get into it. Okay. We're going to take a quick break right now and we'll be

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Okay, welcome back. Let's continue the conversation.

Should we talk about Chapel Road? Yes, let's get into it. Were you following when the story broke?

I was lightly following. I was shocked at how proliferated it seemed. But now we know

there was a little bit of a thumb on the skill on this story. Yeah. And I don't know. I mean,

I think part of it, there are a lot of, well, let's dive into it. Okay. Yeah. So just a brief overview

in case you missed it. A soccer star and his wife, who is also Jude Laws ex. Yes, they worked

Jude Law in the headline anyway they could. For sure. Their child, which was her child with Jude Law,

was around 11. We're at a big fancy rich person hotel and their child thought they saw

Chapel Road and went to go spy on her in the garden seating and see if it was her and came back

and she was like, I don't know if it's her. And then a minute later, a security guard came up and

was apparently very rude and was like, doesn't your child know how to behave? Don't look at celebrities.

You little monster. And then they put videos out online scolding Chapel for being such a bitch

to their precious child. I'm speaking about it this way because even if Chapel Road had sent

her security guard to do that, which quantifiably, certifiably, factually, she did not and we have

all the proof now. But let's say she did. I'm sure it definitely sucked for their child to be

reprimanded. Yeah. Also, does you destroy a woman online make that feel better for your child?

Like you're doing the exact behavior that you're saying shouldn't happen to your child

of being destroyed and criticized and yelled at for no reason. They got the masses of the internet

to be mad at Chapel Road, which they love to do. People love to be mad at this woman more than

other pop stars. And it made me really, I was already mad at them of just like, this is so gross

to use your power to do this in the name of being nice to women. Yeah. LOL, you assholes. Then they

made more videos being like, Chapel Road said it wasn't her security guard, but like, I probably was.

Like, but who knows? And so they were just loving the drama. Then the security guard who actually

did it has to make his own TikTok. And he's like, no one asked me to do that. The Daily Mail

apparently found out that he was working for Sabrina Carpenter, allegedly. But also, I don't

trust it's the Daily Mail either. Yeah. I'm thankful whoever pressured this guy to come forward

did it. And also, yeah, it sounds like he's hyped up on power, bro. Yeah, he basically said

some of the things that had been happening around the meat of concert. I think it was like a

lollipaloo so that was happening there. Caught him to elevate and escalate, you know, the threat

risk that was happening. And it cost him to overreact and responsive to how this girl approached

Chapel or looked at Chapel or whatever the situation was. Yeah. Whatever. Then the soccer star,

I'm being so rude by not saying his name. The football star. What's his name, Christina?

Georgineo. Thank you. I'm sure so many people just heard that. They're like, but I'm sorry. And

because I'm mad at him, he even put on his Instagram story, a statement being like this matters close.

I'm so sorry for the suffering that my daughter and Chapel Rowan went through. And it's like,

it actually was just Chapel Rowan. Like, Chapel Rowan was never behind your daughter suffering.

You were fully behind Chapel Rowan's suffering. And you used your celebrity and the fact that

your daughter's a child to punish this pop star that she looked up to. I just hate it. And then

they would post other photos like other pop stars were really nice to my very rich child

who we buy backstage passes to take pictures with. It always so gross to me. People were digging

up videos where like Chapel was talking about how miserable it is to have a child and then

leveraging that into her larger sort of belief he hates them around kids and stuff like that. Yeah.

I think what really pains me about this is that one, she's just extremely talented. Whether

you like the music or not, you cannot say that the song she wrote and performed for herself are not

stunning and beautiful. And when people come at her for, well, this is a drag queen's aesthetic.

That's kind of a historical misogynist argument that women cannot participate in the performance

of gender. So that bothers me. But mostly like Chapel has always been so politically active.

When it was found out that like this guy who I forget his name, just one of the many men who

was involved with Epstein who ran her label was involved with Epstein. She immediately left the

company and put out a statement. Not all famous artists did that. She's spoken about health

insurance for artists. And while she may not be perfect on every issue, she's done so much and

so much more than other artists do. And that has made her a lightning rod for the conservative

party to want to bring her down. And then there's a bunch of liberals who jump in on it for just like

the love of using a woman as the internet's trampoline of just jumping up and down on her.

Well, also add into the mix that there were some bots involved. So Gidea or Gidea, which was

involved with some Taylor Swift, but analysis couple months back with Rolling Stone also flagged

to Buzzfeed that they had looked at a hundred thousand posts generated by fifty four thousand

unique users across seven platforms about this Chapel Roan story from March 20th to March 22nd.

And they found that 4.2% of the users contributing to the Chapel Roan conversation at the time were

non-typical i.e. were likely to be bots as well as that being a high percentage of bots in and

of itself. They accounted for over 23% of the posts. And we have a link to this Buzzfeed report in

the show notes. And the podcast Spitfire news also covered this. So we'll have a link to that too.

One of the cookies actually posted this link in our Patreon chats and access to cover this.

But in addition to all of that, the thumb and the scale, you know, how other sides leverage that,

there is also this critique that she clearly doesn't want to be famous and she can accept all the

things that fame entails, including people's desire to access to her, whether or not she's

performing on her off time, basically. And there's also, I think pushback you can give into how much

people expect access to famous people, just by virtue of them being famous. And I think it

leans more into how pair of social people have become with famous figures, but also people have

made the argument that if she didn't want to become a famous icon but still wanted to release music,

she could have gone to Sierra where she was hiding her face. Yeah, like that worked out so well for

Sierra. Yeah, exactly. Or daft Punk. No, I can't wrap my header on the fact that it's the same

people who have watched, discussed, analyzed. And to this day, take in how this exact behavior

destroyed a woman like Britney Spears, among many others, has destroyed her mental health, has

destroyed so many things about her that she suffers through. How we took a pop star and just

shredded her for our benefit. And to see a pop star come up now and try and draw boundaries

and stand up for herself and show anger. And to be so mad at her for that instead of

being happy that maybe someone's trying to change our relationship with fame, the same fame

that killed Princess Die is trying to change the way media treats young women. And to be mad at

her for it, yeah, it makes me infuriated. I don't know enough about Chalberon to be like, she's

perfect. I don't even I don't if she's like fucked some shit up like fine, I don't think any

young woman in the spotlight deserves this. And I know she's getting it more because she's put

up boundaries and has shown her anger. And I just hate that. Yeah, it's a little bit unfair. I think

a lot of it unfair to project all these desires of access to people just because you're a fan of

their work. I don't know. It feels like it's really gone into really stand culture, you know,

parasocial territory. But again, it, you know, the kid maybe shouldn't have been yelled at. I don't

know. I don't know. Definitely. The kid definitely shouldn't have been yelled at. That's horrible.

What I think is wild is that they said our kid was unfairly yelled at by the team of this woman

she loves. We know. Let's harness the internet to ruin that woman's life. Yeah. They surely are

powerful enough to have contacted her directly. They're powerful enough to have gone to the hotel.

There were so many means in which they could have rectified the situation. And they chose the one

that they don't want their daughter suffering. Well, and then he took out and said that

chapel did try to rectify the situation. Yeah. And they just continued it. That's what I think is,

yes, the child should not have been yelled at. But then she just blamed a random woman and

people loved to do that. And again, they did on the internet. They did it to punish her. And now

this child who loved, loved, loved, loved chapel Rome now participated in trying to destroy this,

this girl she looked up to. Not by her doing it, but her parents did it. I just think it's cruel.

Yeah. Wow. Wow. I was way more heated about this. I know. I realized. I was like, I'm sure

we'll discuss chapel Rome. Wow, wow, wow, wow. Okay. Let's pivot again. Let's go to a little

smut corner with our smut corresponding Claire, who is going to tell us a smuddy book they recommend.

Hello and welcome to another round of smut corner. And as always, I am your

genderless guide through the world of smut, Claire Linnick. Now listen, I see what's happening.

I get it. The world is crumbling around us. I think it's time we get a little bit more silly

into the smut world. I think we take one more step into madness with our escapism.

And in the spirit of that, I today, I'm doing a Ruby Dixon deep dive. Now you might have already

heard of Ruby Dixon. We use her as our scale, but also she really kicked off the smut craze

during the pandemic with ice planted barbarians. If you haven't read that series, I cannot

recommend it highly enough. And if you're like, you know what, there's just not enough out for me to

be reading there right now. Guess what? Babe, it's like 22 books in one series and there's so many

shoot offs. What I want to talk to about today is a lesser known series of hers, which are the

anchor series. I got to be honest, it's overall not my favorite series, but there is a book that I

believe stands as a standalone book and is one of my favorites in lots of all time and it's called

Serving to the Spidey. Now, if there are little ears listening or maybe you're with a partner or

a coworker or anybody, now's a great time for you to fast forward through me and come back later

when it's time because I'm going to go ahead and tell you what happens a little bit in this book,

just to warn you without too many spoilers, but buckle up. This involves a human anchor to three

fates, almost like gods that need a human to anchor them. And this woman signs up for this,

and I think that's important for everyone to remember throughout the book because it does get a

little walk of doodle. It is consent. Everything's gorgeous. It does kind of become, I'm going to give

a little spoiler. It does kind of become a love story, but it's wild at the start because the

fate she's tied to are you guessed it? Spider people. It's my favorite book ever. It's wild. It's

beautiful. It is so steamy. We've been doing like three out of fives over here, maybe a 3.5 out of

five. I'm going to go ahead and give this a 4.5 out of five. If that's what you're ready for,

if that's what you're creating, this is where you have to be. I'm obsessed with this book. I've

read it multiple times. It is a thrill. I want to hear from you if you've read it. I want to hear

from you if you don't read it and it's too much. I'm at Claire Linnick on Instagram. You know,

guys, I'm going to get out of here. Just enjoy it. How fun! Coming up of that, Christina, have you

watched this new FLDS documentary on Netflix called The False Profit? No, but I knew you were going

to watch it. I was like, okay, yes, I know the basic premise where, you know, this non-mormon

couple got access to this so-called profit. They befriended him, they gained his trust,

and then they followed his scent to become like a profit leader. But I'm sure you have more details

around that. This is your overalls, though. I know. It's FLDS, so that's Latter-day Saints,

Mormon communities, of course. But it was, it's also the fundamentalist Mormon community. So

it was this community whose leader was Warren Jeffs. There's another documentary on him called

Keep Sweet, Prey and Obey, about stating where he was using his power in the church to be a pedophile

and marry young wives and have all these, like, really intense, non-consenting, underage sexual

activities, sometimes in groups. And he finally was Sinterprison. And it left this community of

FLDS communities, specifically the ones in Arizona, really vulnerable because they had this leader

who was in jail. And they were still following him as their profit. And he was obviously always

doing horrible things. But then what he was putting out from jail got really weird. Like he started

putting out messages of like, since I'm not having sex, none of y'all should have sex. And so this

community like stops having children when they were raised to believe like a lot of these women

were told like you should be having one child a year. This is also obviously a polygamist

sect of Mormonism. And I've stayed in Colorado City, Arizona. This was like one of the hubs that

was set in. Anyways, this couple, this guy who directs music videos in this woman who's had a

wild career that they cover in the documentary, move there. And I have to say I really hated

the documentary at first because they are the stars of their own documentary. And it really is

clear at least to me that they went there to get some shine off of getting like

cultish figures on camera and like being the leads in this, you know, we're going to get

these women out. But it's like clear that they're like he directs music videos. And if he just

wanted to randomly document what was going on there. And then it became a documentary. It's like

that's just so unbelievable. He's also not a documentarian because the footage is really this woman

straight to camera telling the story because the footage he captures, you can tell he's like talking

through it. And like doing all the things like you were not supposed to do in a documentary.

Yeah. And other documentaries will tell you but like when someone surprisingly makes

themselves the lead of their documentary, it's almost always a red flag for a bad. Yeah.

Like something's gone awry. Yeah. There's journalism to this. You're supposed to be

too much agree. I feel like it's been really diluted over the last like especially in the streaming

era. Yes, it has. And this was a big case of like that. And so I'm not a documentarian. I would

be so curious actual documentarian's opinion. But when I look at it from a film perspective,

I'm like, this is terrible. Yeah. This is like found footage kind of strung together

through this one woman. I hated the poster of it because she's like in this like hot little cowboy

outfit with all of these women in classic FLDS clothing, which is like kind of the classic

polygamous hair style and braids and like the Chloe 70 character from like glove, if you

know. Exactly. Yes. They're all dressed like that and they're facing away from the camera as

she's in like her little cowboy hat in the middle like saving them. I just hated it. And so

what I will say is that because they did capture this footage, it does offer something very special

where this profit was leading profit, LOL was leading a group of 50 people.

Very small. Once again, it is a loser like it wasn't even their best Mormon man. Yeah.

They were like, this guy sucks his wife left him. He can't keep jobs like known in the FLDS

community respects him. He's a loser. And then one day he showed up with a trailer full of new

wives demanding respect. He wears a white leather jacket. It is, and yeah, and it's just,

it's a keythroenery. It's like this dumbass is leading the cults. It's always a dumbass.

Yeah. When I saw the trailer, I was like, him? Him? Yeah. It's another one of those.

I instant up really loving that I watched it because these incredible FLDS women

get to speak on camera. And you see a side of these women that I have never really seen.

You've seen women who've left the church, but like there's one woman who very much believes

in the religion wants to stay, but still came to this realization that as a woman she should be

allowed to ask questions. Yeah. Or that what they're doing is wrong. And when you're absolutely

trained to never ask questions and you're not given education or resources or information,

how do you think for yourself? And some of these women go to jail. And for some of them,

it's the best thing that ever happened to them because they're not receiving the programming

every day and begin to have their own thoughts. Well, and also just imagine the different walks of

life that they're finally, you know, they're breaking out of their community bubble.

Yeah. Yeah. And it's crazy to think that prison and jail, but a couple of them are like,

prison sent me free because I didn't receive this indoctrination every day and like was given

other books to read and other people to talk to. And you meet other people. Yeah. Yeah. But you

also get to see how some of these women really support each other. And so I think that part of it

was stunning. Some of them get free and this man who was a pedophile goes down and that's extremely

fulfilling. I could never kind of get over that these two people had just like wandered in and

decided to be undercover. And I think we're enjoying a lot of that attention. And are still like,

I went undercover at the bloody, bloody, bloody. So that grosses me out and they're so fumbling.

And some of it's caught in the footage where he's like the guy her husband or fiance talking about

it. He'll be like, we got to help this child. I'm parking the car. I'm trying to park the car.

I can't hear or grab the camera. Like it's so Mr. McGoo. But a part of that was also inspiring

in that like, yeah, there's just two people who showed up and they did do something. And they really

made a difference in some of these people's lives. And they weren't high tech or savvy or especially

studied in this and were able to make a difference by being in these women's lives and offering one

woman in particular, someone to talk to so that they could help her go to the FBI. So in a way,

it was inspiring. And I was like, you can always help. And in another way, I was like, was it all

for the documentary? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. So would you recommend the cookie? See it? Or 100%.

100%. I just recommend you also finish it. Because really the last two episodes are when we really

get the testimony of the women and some of the people who were in like following him in this cult

and then got out of it. And you get to just really hear their perspective in their thoughts,

which I think is so beautiful. Because the first two episodes are the people who came to town

sort of telling you the story because I don't have the footage. Oh, I was watching. I was like,

a documentary that's great gets the footage and the interviews so that you watch the story unfold

from the subjects themselves. Yeah. You watch the story unfold from her perspective of saving them

and then it flips. Okay. I'm going to check it out. I'll let the cookies know on the chat what I

think about it. Yeah. Okay. So yeah. Like you said, ultimately, if they went in there with great

intentions, the impact was a net positive. And so maybe, you know, it balances out the skills of

like, you know, them centering themselves in the narrative. Yeah. I think so with the caveat,

it is their documentary. So I don't know what we're not seeing. I don't know if stuff was edited out.

I don't know if something's going to come down the line, but I am hoping for the best. Okay.

There was a good outcome. Yeah. It does seem to be like a couple of years out. You learn,

oh, they left this whole other thing out that actually proves something else. Yeah. Very odd.

Okay. Let's do a little pivot to just remind everyone because I didn't because I haven't,

I don't know if I've said this enough. When we have put out episodes that are for subscribers

or Patreon members only, there's a video that Christina makes that goes up on the Patreon. So we

just did Liza Manelli such a good episode, such incredible guests. That was for subscribers

only. So if you want to subscribe, you can do that easily on Patreon. It can connect to all of

your podcasts apps. And then once you have Patreon, you can play the video. And Christina edits it

and puts in like the photos we're referencing and like the imagery and like the video is fantastic.

And I just need to tell people that that exists because I don't feel like I talk about it enough.

Yeah. So we haven't been doing it for all of them, but there are good collection of videos that are

there for subscribers for sure. Yeah. Once you become a member of Patreon, the whole collection is

like in this little folder and you can watch all of them. Yeah. And I think we'll do more. Yes.

We think for sure. Okay. We're kind of still around Mormonism. So let's talk about how Taylor

Frankie Paul from Secret Liza Mormon Lives charges are not being pressed against the new domestic

violence allegations. So I should make something clear that actually was not clear to me when I was

watching the show. Okay. Which is that from that incident that is in the pilot episode where she's

charged with domestic violence by Dakota, she pled guilty and has been on probation for three years.

And they've been filming the show around her like she has to be sober. She can't be at events

that have alcohol around them. Like she's been on a three-year probation filming this show. Which I

think they obviously did not make a focus of the show. So I forgot about it and never realized

that she was like actively on probation. Now these new charges here is a quote from the Guardian.

Prosecutors said some of the mist and meaner offenses occurred more than two years ago and

fell outside the statue of limitations. Other incidents quote do not rise to the level of criminal

offenses and that quote the remaining incidents lack sufficient evidence to support filing criminal

charges as quote such incidents lack specificity as to win and what actually occurred or corroboration.

The office also noted that multiple attorneys reviewed the cases due to the high profile of the

defendant. So these new charges Dakota filed will not be prosecuted charges won't be pressed. But

the original charge against her which everyone knew about before she was cast on the bachelor

and the video that accompanied it which she sold to TMZ when the bachelor was coming out. All of

that obviously still stands. But I do wonder with these charges being dropped if her season is going

to come out after all. That was just about to be my question. Chelsea, what do you think?

I think no, but I think maybe in three months. Interesting. Okay. I think they're in a current

custody battle for their child. They both have temporary protection orders against each other,

which I'm so upsetting that I know this. But when you file for a protection order, you get it.

It's temporary. Yeah. Then you have to go to court in which they can throw it out or they can

put it into place. Different things come with it of like how long it lasts and what the stipulations

are. That's decided in court. So they both have those temporary protection orders against each

other. That just means they've filed it against each other. It doesn't mean we know the outcome

of what's happened. And they are fighting over custody of their child. And so I bet a lot of that

would have to be settled out. Yeah. It's one of those things where it's like a train wreck

that you don't want to watch, but have a hard time looking away from. Like if that season came out,

I'm like, God, I don't want to see that. But also, how would you not?

Well, here's my question. We kind of know the outcome of it. We know that she didn't exactly find

love, right? So then what would be the incentive to like watch the car act happen in slow motion?

Or like Nick via L season was spoiled and you still watch it through. You know what I mean?

You're there for the journey. You're there for the journey.

You got to be there to watch it for the right reasons, Christina, the right reasons.

Yeah, I don't know. All right. That being said, the Taylor Frankie Paul thing was put in the chat

as something to discuss. And I looked it up, but I have untethered myself from that content,

have not been following. She's been posting through it. There's I'm sure there's a much you could

say, but as I sat on my state of the union, I am taking a step back. I think I'm waiting for her

dramatic news interview that she does with someone on GMA or some other like Cardatti or something

where she goes on. And she's like, here's what really happened that night or something that effect.

I actually really love interviews with her. I listened to so many when I did my first episode

when season one came out. I listened to niche interviews on podcasts that have five followers

that she did years ago. She is honest to a fault. And so if she ever did do an interview,

like you get everything from her, including details that I know from her interviews that they

would skip over on the show. Yeah, I don't know if she's going to like pop back up soon and

offer. She's taking time away from she's not taking time. She's posting every day. She also left

the Mormon church as official as you can by posting on your Instagram stories. Wow, what did she

say? She said, my faith is within me and my heart and it doesn't align with the church. I'm

basically not a Mormon anymore, but I am spiritual and still have my faith and no one can take that

from me, but I'm not like a part of the Mormon church anymore, which I had been coming for so long.

I think given that in this most recent season, her mom was still talking about the book of Mormon

and lessons that she had taught her about Mormonism, that she should be following that was angering

her mom. I do think her officially saying, I'm not following this anymore is probably a really

big deal, even though it's a long time coming. Wow. So her life is no longer secret nor Mormon,

nor is she a wife. Some could say the entire title of the show is moot. Nullenvoid. Nullenvoid.

And that mom talked the invisible force that binds them also, Nullenvoid, which brings me to

something I started last night. Oh, I was a wife of Rhode Island. I wasn't going. I love it. I,

okay, when people said they couldn't tell the Mormon wives apart on the show, I was never a part

of that. Maybe because I was raised in Utah for some time, I have no idea, but like I always,

they were always wildly different looking to me. Watching Rhode Island, I can't tell the

part. I don't know if it's because I'm not from that part of the country, but I'm like, oh, you all

look exactly the same. A lot of them share the same surgeons and plastic surgeons. They set it on

the show. I love it. If you watched the bachelor's I did in the prime millennial years to do so,

you remember a little lady known as Ashley I. And Ashley I was the infamous very hot

virgin who cried all the time. She was like, I'm a virgin. She looks like a Kardashian. And

she was just like begging for love. And it was like, Ashley, my girl, it is your personality. Like,

it is extraordinary to have a personality. This intense. It really pushes everyone away from you

while being that extraordinary looking. And so she's just crying, crying, crying. And she gets

obsessed with this guy who was on another season named Jared. And they go on, there's like

bachelor and paradise things they do. She's just always in love with them, always crying. He's

always saying, no, I even remember there's some bachelor wedding where like sometimes when they

have like the it couple, they air their wedding and pay for it and make it a bachelor special,

there was one of those weddings where Ashley's on it being like, Jared's here, but he loved

without me. I love him and she cries. Okay, one day Jared gave up and they're married now.

They are now on real Housewives of Rhode Island. He is from Rhode Island. She is on the show

new to all of them. And I'm like, I gotta see what Jared and Ashley are up to. Like, how is this

marriage going all the time. I gotta check this out. I am loving it. It is just enough silly,

ridiculous boating drama that I'm having fun. I'm only one episode in, but they all seem like

they don't realize the consequences of their actions. And that's fun to watch. Okay, the next

cookie jar. I'm gonna have to check in if you're still on the boat with them. I will laugh so hard

if you watch it. How would you rank this in the current iterations of, you know, Real Housewives?

I would say it's a thousand times better than Beverly Hills. Okay. Not enjoying Beverly Hills this

season. I am really enjoying Rhode Island. Share your Real Housewives power rankings with us on

the Patreon. I used to watch New York back in the day. And I used to love it, but you know,

now they're all terrible. Yeah. Yeah, it's going through a lot. Well, I think I grapple with like

wealth differently now than I did back then, too. Yeah, I completely agree. It's like,

not. It's fun. Well, that brings us. I don't even want to talk a lot about it, but Lauren Sanchez

base of Cease Himian article covering her, where basically she was like, why can't I be happy?

I'm rich. And I think the part of the article, one of the parts of the article that infuriates

me the most is that she called out this TikTok or Instagrammer Blakely Thornton who made a bunch

of videos about her wedding being a disgusting oligarchy. She called him a bully. And anyone who is

a literal fucking billionaire using the word bully, not describing themselves, really misunderstanding

what the word means. And how a power dynamic is involved, you can just like, you're just such an idiot.

I just can't pretend. Yeah, I saw it. I was like, Chelsea, she's added again, because we just

had the year anniversary of when she went to space. No. Here we are a year later. Look how much

is James. I just pray to God one day that should I find myself even remotely near a mile radius

within a mile radius of that kind of wealth that I just fuck off forever. I hope you never hear

from me again. I hope I am rescue and dogs, donate into charities and like in a hot tub. And you

never hear from me again. And if everyone's like, she's a bitch, we hate her. I don't know because

I have money and I'm not on my Instagram. That's what I hope for myself. Yeah. I don't

understand why this profile happened. It just, it's like the attention and being liked is more

powerful than billions of dollars, which I, I'm just like, go do great things with your money.

And if you want to be a movie star, go write and direct your own fucking film. Go save the earth,

go do some things. But like, why do you need to be in a magazine being like, that guy was

meancing me online. Yeah, it's, I don't understand. Okay. Welcome to being a woman on the fucking

internet. Yeah, that kind of circles back to some of the chapel rooms and stuff that we were talking

about. Yeah, but it's like, bitch, are you crazy? Like great women, Miss Rachel gets hate on

the internet. Do you really think that you were going to come in and not get a negative comment?

I don't know what she wants, like public adoration. Like I don't. Yeah. I think so. Yeah.

I think because she comes from Hollywood, she's like, we're all just friends, right? We're all

just artists. Am I extra angry this episode? What's going on? I don't know what's going on with

me, but it's coming out. I feel like some zodiac cookie is going to be like, it's arizes and

blah, blah, blah. So that's why. Let me know friends. Let me know. Maybe I should get the medical

book and just be like, I rate on a podcast and see what childhood drama that links to. Okay,

let's end with some sports talk. All right. So this is a story my husband has been regaling me

with. He's been sending me. I truly tell him like, I have to, there's times where I'm like, I got

to watch my yasser TV because I'll have 10 videos. He sent me throughout the day and like,

just like sit there and watch them and laugh and respond. And again, we see each other all the time.

You guys, it's not like we don't talk. It's like we're talking and I'll open my phone and

they'll also be a video there. And he was sending me all these videos about Diana Rossini, who is a

sports broadcaster. And to my shock, Christina, when you put out a call in the picture on asking for

hot topics to cover on the cookie jar, multiple people said cover the Diana Rossini story. That

was like one. Yeah. And my husband Yasser had said, Chelsea, I feel like this could be for a cookie

jar. Like, I know this isn't a normal talk, but I think this could be for you all. So here we are.

Diana Rossini, sports broadcaster who just freelance and like does all kinds of other shows and

is a host. She was caught being cradled in coach Rebell's arms. He's a coach for the patriots. And

they are both married to other people. And there was like hot tub vacation photos where it's like,

if you're just friends, you have a weird friendship that has crossed many boundaries. Now,

as some other great podcasts and people have pointed out, there's so much sexism in the way

this is being covered. I don't follow sports enough to know, but I am a person in the world. And

that seems exactly correct. That men who've been caught outside of their marriage or

fraternizing with people, they're supposed to be covering an internalistic capacity in sports,

have not been treated as harshly as Diana. I'm sure that is true. However, there is something

extra to this, which is that Diana has multiple clips that people have put in compilations,

and we're going to put some in this episode right now of her talking shit about her husband,

slash just clearly really not wanting to be married that she has said throughout the years.

I don't even judge the kind of party I was doing. I don't know what got into me. I just

remember being down there. I actually like it was my last day on earth. You know who lets me know

my marriage is falling apart my mom. So that's good. Oh, does she? Oh, you know what? I'm

starting to think he's got a girlfriend. And you know what? Good for him. We've never been more

disconnected in our lives. Mark text messages look like two robots. Hello, hello. I married to

someone average. I don't post a lot about it. If I was married to someone beautiful, I don't

post too. Now this doesn't seem nice. We have to be able to follow some Diana's husband here for

everyone to see so you can make some amends on this. Together into what the worst part is,

he sent me a text, touring that second, not watching because he actually works for a living,

and he said, the luck today be great on get-ups. So the guy's got a heart of gold and here I am on

a national TV, killing him. Look, we're at this together, but he makes me a ball of average

because he married me. So I am so sorry. I need to really stop killing my husband on television.

We're going to be divorced by Christmas. So it's kind of like, oh god, her poor husband.

She just really, it sounds like she just really doesn't want to be married. And so that's what has

made this, I think an even bigger story. And kind of leads me to be like, I'm happy all got caught

because I think you need to be free. I think you need out of this marriage and you weren't going

to walk out. And I think your husband deserves to not be in this marriage too. However, she then

resigns from her job. And that's where I'm like, wait a minute. Like, does everyone have to resign

when they're having an affair? Like, is it because they crossed some sort of ethical boundaries,

in which case why isn't most of the NFL fired? I think, yeah, I think people could make the argument

that she couldn't be impartial in her reporting if she was having a personal relationship.

Right. It's just that like, since when did the NFL follow any ethical rules?

Well, if she got fired, was it from her news organization or

she resigned, which I guess, because it puts into question, like not only her reporting,

but also her colleagues. I know it's just there's been so many other things in this world that

they're like, no, it's fine. She resigned from the athletic with a defiant letter. Let's read some of

that. Okay. So the athletic is, oh, this is important to note that the athletic is owned by the

New York Times. Ah, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So they have very strict guidelines when it comes to

like, we're Porter ethics. Okay. Yeah. I mean, listen, that, that makes sense. It's just, I feel like

all right, it makes sense. It just feels like there's also a bunch of sexism in here. But

okay. No, you could be right. Also, you know what I mean? Like both, both things are turned.

Quote, I have covered the NFL with professionalism and dedication throughout my career.

And I stand behind every story I have ever published. When the page six item first appeared,

the athletic supported me unequivocally, expressed confidence in my work and pride in my journalism

for that. I am grateful. And the days that followed, unfortunately, commentators in various media

have engaged in self-feeding speculation that is simply unmoored from the facts. Moreover,

this media frenzy is hurtling forward without regard for the review process. The athletic is trying

to complete. It continues to escalate, fueled by repeated leaks. And I have no interest in submitting

to a public inquiry that has already caused far more damage than I am willing to accept.

Rather than allowing this to continue, I've decided to step aside now before my current contract

expires on June 30th. I do so not because I accept the narrative that has been constructed around

this episode, but because I refuse to lend it further oxygen or let it define me or my career.

So this is talking about people being like, she clearly doesn't like her husband, you know?

Yeah, I think it's a both end where it's like her being there was lending people to question the

integrity of the reporting of her colleagues, but also her own reporting. Yeah, but yeah, it's it's

also like, you know, they they denied that there's a fair that's like, there were six of us,

we were all hanging out, like we're all just like fun friends. I obviously being paired with the

other clips about her marriage is what makes it wild. Also, the way she's treating her marriage

is the way a lot of male journalists talk about their marriages as well. But also,

hey guys, we don't know. He could have a shame kink. I don't know. What if he has a shame kink?

Young. What if he's loving it? What have you said home? Just loving it. No, I'm

clued up in it though. In the report where she's like, no, no, no, no, he's great. I'm average too.

She says, oh man, he just texted me before this interview telling me to crush it. And like,

here I am being mean to him. So, oh, yeah, it's brutal. Christina, before we go, any

habits from your life, any little updates? I found out my niece got into the school that she

wanted. She's going to middle school. She got into middle school that she wanted to get into.

And she did like a little audition for it. And so, we're just so proud of her. And it's just like

that kind of thing where like when someone gets what they want and you're so happy. And she's like,

you know, it's 10-11. And that's such a big deal though. It's such a big deal for her. And it is

just like, and you get joy out of seeing them get joy. Because I was also prepared. We were also like,

well, you know, it's not the end of the world if you don't get in, you know, like the

actors don't go to professional training. I told her straight up. I was like, a lot of actors don't

go to professional training before they become actors. In fact, some of the biggest ones have no

training like at all. And that's the thing that you talk about going to college for. I mean,

so I'm going to have you sit down with her before she goes to college. I would love to talk

about a school, let your, let your family know that it's my team. Performing arts school. Yeah,

she still would get a degree probably. But yeah, yeah, listen, if she's going to a performing arts

school, young, she doesn't need to go to performing arts college. That's just a take. But it would

love to talk with her. Yeah. Christina, I love that you're raising a little artist. I love

encouraging her and like how she expresses her, you know, artistry. And she like does acting and

she really loves it. And it's just great to be watching her grow up. And yeah, you know, at that

age, I auditioned for a community theater play. I think it was the best crossed out worst Christmas

page I ever. And it was community theater, but a teacher at my elementary school was the director.

And I auditioned that day for the lead. Christina, I went home. I got the phone book. I looked

up my teacher. I called her house. Her daughter who is in my grade answered the phone. I asked to

speak to her mother and I asked her if I got the role. So this is a very important age for your

dreams to come true. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. That's a humiliating story about me, but also

Hutzpah. Yes. Go get her. I think it has a little bit of go getterness. Yeah. Lady who would

later yell on a podcast. Lady who has no patience. I remind me of like when you got critiqued for

over preparing for a writing job and like it seemed like you were too desperate or something like

it's see it was it got desperation. I wish I wrote about this in my book. And it still haunts me.

I'm sorry to bring up. No, it's fine. I'm up for something right now. And I told yester I was like

I'm going to pull back in my presentation because you have to like do your pitch for it. I was

like I'm going to pull back in my presentation because like I don't want to get called Tracy Flick

again, which is what they called me. And he gave me a beautiful talk. He's like stop that. You

want it. You believe in it. Go for it. Don't let these losers from years ago dampen your shine.

That's like the Christina Applegate thing where it was like you're doing it.

Yeah, but the thing with the okay, you know what? This has turned into therapy for me,

but I need I need it. So I'm going to take a Christina. I'm going to make you continue guiding me.

Here's the thing I have though. What I the reason I said I was going to pull back is not because

I personally feel guilty. It's because I want the job. And if me preparing so much doesn't get

me the job, then I'll prepare less, which isn't just another form of preparing. Yeah. And the reason

why I didn't get that job, I remember my agent calling me and he said you made the other two male

producers in the room look like doofuses. And they didn't like it. And they said you were

delivering Tracy Flick. And I was in so much pain. And yes, I had really gone over the top for this

job because I was also not qualified for it. I was up for a head writer job that I had no business

being up for. And I thought the way I could show them how ready I was for it was to create an entire

binder of their season. And the two producers didn't like that because they're like we haven't

even done that. And so it wasn't the right move. And yeah. And but yeah, now it haunts me.

What was your thing you wanted to share besides this therapy session we just had?

I don't know that I wanted to share this, but I do have my arm wrapped in plastic,

surround wrap right now. And so if there are any video clips from this podcast, you might see

that. So maybe I should speak to that, which is that in about 15 minutes, I'm going to my second

laser tattoo removal appointment because I'm removing this one tattoo on my arm. And I've had one

appointment. And this is my second one. And I got to tell you, I do not regret getting the tattoo.

I loved it for the time I had it. The only reason I'm getting it removed is because the tattoo

artist changed the art that I wanted. And was like, this will be fine, right? And I was like, yeah.

And then the moment it was on, I was like, this isn't what I wanted. But it did represent

something beautiful. Then I came into a place where I was like, wait a minute. I'll just take this

off. I'm going to do it. You know, let's just see. It is so painful. It is, yes, it is painful

in the moment. It's painful for the two weeks afterwards. That's when it's the most painful. So

that being said, I'd still go back in time and get it again. Guess what? I'm going to get more

tattoos over it when it's gone. Well, I'm going to ask, are you going to get it and do it right

and do it with an artist that you like particularly are fond of having gone through multiple

tattoos? Well, and yet I will say I have the numbing cream on me right now. That's what's on me

for this. But I'm not going to redo it with the art I want because I get tattoos to

to represent symbolic meaning in my life to basically put something onto and into my body

that I cannot possess from within. But I want it so badly. And so I try and symbolize it

towards me. And I feel like I really, this tattoo gave me like so much power and so much life.

And this is amazing to say, but I feel like I did it. Like I did the message I put on my body

in the past five years, which was about coming through shame. And I feel like I did what I tattooed

and it has done its job. And now it can leave. And I can put something else there. Yeah.

That sounds amazing. Goodbye. I hope so. So you breathe now. No, I'm just kidding.

Breathe. Live left love. Here, here for the right reasons. What if I just did a dringo sheet on my arm?

Yeah. Henry Kissinger. Dringo. Actually, hold on. Maybe on something.

We could listen. We could have some flash tattoos going out to the people.

Okay. Well, thank you all for joining us for this cookie jar. If you ever have a voice note of

something genius to say, Amelia, you got so many compliments and great feedback from her voice

note about weathering heights. And so if you ever have something you got to say, email us,

hello at glamourstrash.com. Yes. Where Christina will check your email because I've been logged out.

But she'll get it. It's in the show notes. It's in the show notes too. And yeah, thank you so much

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Brandy's memoir. Yes. I'm looking forward to that one.

My popular demand. I may have a fix for the Lena Donum episode because I'm not covering it.

Yes. Because I have this other job I'm doing and that book is 400 pages. I just, I'm not the

right person to cover it, but I think I might have a fix. And it might be hidden in your feed cookies.

So stay tuned. Yeah, stay tuned.

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