Chemtrails, complexity, and circles of influence | Jerm Warfare

My name is Jim. This is Jim Wolfe, the Battle of Ideas.

I don't think you and I have spoken in 2026.

No, I don't. Oh shit, hold on.

No, I don't, I don't think we have.

No, no, we haven't. No.

I came remember the last time it was a while ago.

Well, how did discussions normally go? Let's talk about the weather.

Well, your weather is different.

You know, when you're in the, when you're in the conspiratorial space,

you can say, how's the weather?

And then we get into a discussion about geoengineering.

That's right. You know, I don't follow that that closely,

because I, you know, it's so exciting to think maybe.

I'm seeing Kim trails and crap like that.

It's like, I just figure, you know, we're screwed.

Listen, I've actually, I've actually been,

been entertaining the whole Kim trail thing recently.

And this doesn't get me brownie points, you know,

in the alternative media space.

But I am of the opinion that the whole Kim trail thing

is completely overstated.

Yeah, probably.

I think everything is.

No, no, no, but I can tell you exactly why I think it's

completely overstated, because it's very, very expensive

and extremely inefficient.

I mean, there are some, so many better ways to poison people

than to spray the skies.

Because spraying the skies is, it's so unreliable and unpredictable.

And, you know, and it also affects the people who are doing the spraying.

Right, right, right.

Well, that's what a lot of this stuff is.

It's like even the vaccine thing.

It's like, you know, how do you implement genocide

with, with something like that?

You know, when you've got all the people that are supposed to survive it,

are also, were they informed, don't take the vaccine?

You know, it's like, and I mean, I know there was a lot of them.

That's quite easy, though. No, hold on.

I think that's easier.

Yeah.

Yeah, because I mean, it's literally an injection into your body,

right?

And you can also get a placebo.

Yeah, right, right, right.

Well, the Kim trails are the same thing that's going on

with, with the whole mRNA technology that they're putting in mosquitoes.

No, no, no, but what I'm saying to you, no, no, no, hold on.

Go back a few steps.

What I'm saying to you is that an airplane has to fly,

has to fly above you, and it has to actively spray something, right?

Right.

And, and so whoever is, I mean, firstly, there's a whole trail

of things that has to happen in order for that to occur,

which the conspiratorial folks don't ever look into.

They don't follow the trail, you know, like where,

where does the actual, where do the chemicals come from?

They have to come from some way.

And then they have to go on a track,

and they have to go into the aeroplane somehow.

Right.

So other inside the, is it inside the fuel?

Is it a separate compartment?

Does work differently?

And I've interviewed, um,

uh, engineering people and, and they make fairly persuasive arguments

about, about chemtrails.

Mm-hmm.

But they don't go beyond that.

And that's, that's what frustrates me.

I don't know, crap.

I can't try.

I remember one of the first, the first thing.

This was back.

This was like 25 years ago.

Or more.

It's more than that.

And it was when it first started up as being a thing

that people were talking about.

And I had a very good friend who was, uh, in the Air Force.

And I mentioned it to him,

and we were communicating a lot together and whatever.

And I mentioned, well, what about these chemtrails?

I never heard from him again.

It's like, it just disappeared.

So I, and then I started going, oh, gee, maybe there is something to do it.

No, I hear you.

And, you know, it's the same argument they have with, uh, with the twin towers.

You know, it's like, well, that would have taken a lot of work to put, you know,

explosives on the elevators or whatever it was on the columns and all that stuff.

So there's always that.

There's that common sense thing that people do come up with.

And they'd like to say, well, if that were true, how could they pull that off without,

without a lot of people lying or whatever?

But even that's fairly easy.

I mean, these things are not complicated to do because most of the,

shall we say, the peasant classes doing the groundwork.

Don't really know what's going on at the top.

You know what I mean?

Like with the moon landing whatever, right?

Like with the moon landing, let's just say they didn't go.

It's fairly easy to pull that off because you only need the handful of people

at the top who actually knew whether or not those three astronauts who went to the moon.

Well, isn't that the whole, you know, need to know basis?

I mean, isn't that the whole way that any of these espionage systems

work?

Is that only a few people know what's going on?

Yeah.

I mean, that's the way they control it and contain it.

I don't have any works.

Yeah.

Right.

Exactly.

I don't have any problem at all.

But believing all these things, obviously, at every day.

I don't go that far into analyzing it because I think there's a common sense element to it

that also supports it.

I mean, you know, it's like it doesn't make any sense that say building seven collapse away

did and whatever.

I mean, that's a common sense thing.

And figuring out how they did it is, it doesn't really, I mean, there's some logic

thing I'm thinking of and I can't think of the name of it.

Now, it's like if it's there, it got there somehow.

And it doesn't really matter if you can figure that out or not.

I mean, it's like it's there and it's obvious it's there.

And you're right about the chemtrial thing.

I mean, there really isn't, is there?

And you would know this because I'm just saying, I don't know, crap about it.

But it's not an area that I've even looked at.

But you have, because you've had guests on and everything.

I mean, do they explain the effect that it's having?

Yes.

And there is validity to the whole thing.

I've never said chemtials don't exist.

But this is also the false dichotomy problem that we have.

If I say, I think it's overstated in what they hear is, so you're saying they don't exist.

Right.

Go more on.

I'm not saying that.

Yeah, I'm not saying that.

I'm just saying it's overstated.

I know pilots and they know how a Boeing works.

You know, they have to know it's part of the training.

And in order for them to actively spray stuff, you know, let's say an Emirates plane is flying.

The pilot has to know what's going on.

If he's going to activate that spray, because as we've seen from all the cell phone photographs,

because that's all they ever are cell phone photographs of these long trails in the sky.

And they go, look, look, look, it's chemtrails.

But what I don't get is why don't any of these people take telescopes and zoom in and see what airplane

that actually is?

Is it a Boeing 767?

And if it is, that plane is physically going somewhere and is going to land somewhere.

That can be tracked and traced.

And then you can have a look at that airplane.

And you can see who the pilot was.

And you can, you know, you can, you can build a whole case around it.

But all we ever see is one snapshot of something happening in the sky.

And nobody ever zooms in.

Yet they zoom in on the moon and everything else.

Yeah, but, you know, I don't think anything is as it looks.

I mean, as it seems, it's a whole different thing.

I mean, but like the whole chemtrail thing, anything else, it's like spun out of indelirium.

I mean, let's do the point where you can't kind of zero in on the truth.

And it's like what you said earlier, it's like it's black and white with everything.

I mean, everything is so black and white now.

It's like you can't even suggest, well, the pyramids weren't built by slaves, you know,

pulling stones up on a ramp.

And they go, oh, so you, you believe aliens built them?

Or you believe that, you know, that they were, they just appeared or something.

I mean, you know, and it's like, it's like, no, I'm just saying that they weren't built that way.

And, you know, you're saying, I don't think the chemtrails are what all the advocates for chemtrail insanity are saying.

It's just, it just, that just makes sense.

And then it's like, oh, well, you, you're saying chemtrails don't exist.

And there, there's nothing to be concerned about.

And again, you know, like me, I'm Mr. Paranoid, and I believe everything for the most part that we concern ourselves with,

that we talk about is, is part of the agenda's intention.

And I think this is one of those things where chemtrails very well, maybe just a decoy.

They may be something that has been put into place that doesn't do anything.

Maybe two or three planes every once in a while will go up and, and do something that looks like chemtrails.

And, and then the agenda goes good.

We've got them all looking at that now.

And they're not looking at really what we're doing back here behind the screen.

And I'm not saying that's what it is because I don't know enough about it.

I mean, you can shoot that down probably pretty easily.

But I'm just saying, I think there's a lot of stuff out there that's put out there by the agenda itself in order for us to, to pay attention.

I think Trump is that.

I mean, I think he's, he's, he's like the perfect distraction for, for everything.

Now what, he might not even know it.

He might not know.

Yeah, he might not know that, that he's playing that role.

But he very well could be.

And the agenda just sits there and goes, well, yeah, let them sit there and bicker about Greenland and Venezuela and whatever.

Well, we're under the hood here tinkering with, with things that actually matter to us.

And, you know, it's a great distraction because if you really analyze what he's done, you can't really find a lot that really is against the agenda's intentions.

That really disrupts the agenda's agenda.

Well, I mean, I think that's by design, as you say, I mean, I agree with you as what I'm saying, because.

So it's easy to fall into the trap of thinking everything.

Yeah, you know, everything now is a, is a, is a, is a trick.

And I've gone blank.

Everything is not as it seems.

But some, some things all as they seem.

Right.

Right. I mean, again, going back to Trump.

He's always the topic.

I mean, he very well may be the savior.

He very well may be a maverick that's got in place.

Let's not, let's not push our luck here.

Well, you know, I'm just kind of going along with that.

I mean, everybody that everybody on our side of the fence that are not just, you know, on our side of the fence here,

it's kind of divided.

There's, and I don't know what the percentage is, but there's a huge group of people that do believe that Trump is.

Most definitely part of the agenda, part of the deep state, whatever.

And there's, there's a handful of people that don't that actually think he's doing something to bring back.

You know, this, this idea of national sovereignty and all of that.

Maybe he is.

I mean, I, I don't necessarily think the agenda has their finger in every single pie.

No.

And that's the point, because you also inadverted denoméate of false dichotomy by saying that, you know, he's either part of the agenda or he is the savior.

But what about a third option or a fourth option?

What if he really is just, you know, a blockhead who is loved by millions of Americans.

But because he's a blockhead and, and filled with hubris, he's easily played by those around him.

Oh, yeah, yeah, sure.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I was just, I was just doing the false dichotomy on purpose.

Now, you know, because they're the two extremes.

And you're absolutely right.

I mean, all of this stuff could be like the chemtrails going back to that.

Yeah, the false dichotomy should not be anything at all.

Yeah.

The polarization that is accepted.

It's either this, just like you were saying earlier, it's either this plan to kill everybody or it's not at all.

It's just smoke coming out of planes for some stupid reason.

Yeah.

It could be something in between.

I mean, you know, I don't know what that would be.

Well, I mean, a problem that I have with the conspiratorial-minded people also is that everything is far too binary.

They somehow don't understand complex systems.

Right.

And complexity is a huge part of life.

Huge.

You know, I am not a fan of Occam's razor.

I never had been, I mean, I may be an idiot for saying that.

But, you know, there, there certainly is, but you hear that all the time.

You hear people say, well, this is the simplest explanation for this.

So, Occam's razor, it must be the truth.

And it's like, I'm a very firm believer in complexity and chaos.

This idea that things are not as nicely put in a row.

I mean, you hear about, I can't remember who it was that did this,

but there was somebody mathematically that was going on about measuring coastlines

and how that you can't do that with any kind of accuracy at all,

because the resolution changes.

I mean, you're going to start measuring the width of a grain of sand

that could be part of that coastline that you're measuring.

There's a term for that, I can't remember what it is.

And basically, the conclusion was you can't actually know the length of a coastline

around a country, for example.

Right, you can't.

Yeah, you can't.

And I think that applies to everything.

I mean, the complexity of any of these things, Trump is bad, Trump is good.

It's like it's somewhere in between.

Yes.

And that's a simplistic example.

I know, because sometimes that complexity doesn't matter.

Yes.

It doesn't, it doesn't happen.

Like, it doesn't matter if the grain of sand is going to change the number

you put on the coastline in the length, you know.

But something could.

Part of the whole notion of complexity is that you can have simplicity

within complexity also.

So you can have things that appear as simply as they are.

And then you can have things that are not as they seem.

But it's two, it's two black and white to simply say everything is not as it seems.

Yeah, absolutely.

It's much, yeah, that's way too simplistic.

Well, let me give you an example.

I am sitting here and you are sitting there.

That is as it seems.

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not some sort of reptilian with a, you know, with a face mask on.

Well, how do I know that?

Well, then, then we can get into, into a Q&A.

I know you're, I mean, you're getting into some deep stuff there with, with like quantum realities

and the idea, the consciousness and the idea of creating your own reality and, and all of that.

I mean, that's what Jeff, yeah.

So, that's what Jeff Buick said on my show.

Who?

Jeff Buick, he was talking about exactly that.

Yeah, well, you know, that's a consideration.

I don't think it does us a lot of good to dive into that because it's, it's like, you know,

I think the only time it does us good is to realize that fear is, is a construct.

The idea of fear of, I mean, most fear is, is, it kind of concludes with the fear of losing your body,

the fear of dying, or the fear of pain.

And those are constructs, they're not, they're not real.

There, there is no, there is no, I mean, there, there's a reality to dying.

There's a reality to, to pain, but it's not the ultimate.

It's not what people think it is.

If we are creating all this, all this material imagery through consciousness, through the collapsing of the wave,

potential and all of that, it doesn't really do us much good because we live the life we're living for whatever reason.

Now, if we act out of fear, it can have an impact on what does matter to us.

You know, if, if we're always terrified, we're going to get sucked up when we're actually creating that ourselves,

there should be no fear around it.

But that you're getting into weird stuff.

I, I had the pleasure of having, I had given the backer on my podcast years ago.

Most people don't know who he is, but looking up on YouTube, you'll see he's been on Rogan a few times.

And he wrote a very interesting book called The Gift of Fear.

And he argues that, that he argues that, that fear is actually something that keeps us alive.

Well, it is. If, if being alive is, is your prime directive, it definitely is.

I mean, we're designed that way. We're designed to fear harm and fear losing a limb or fear losing our life.

Whatever, I mean, absolutely. But that may not be reality.

It, you know, reality, physical reality, yes, but not, not true reality.

I mean, what is the line from Course in Miracles? It's, um, nothing real can be threatened.

Nothing unreal exists. Therein lies the peace of God.

Which is really kind of grasping this whole idea.

It's like saying that, that nothing, nothing that is truly real, not, not like what we think is real, you know, physical reality.

But what is truly real cannot be threatened. So there's no fear around it.

And nothing unreal actually exists. It's an illusion.

It's a creation of, of consciousness in order to participate in this physical duality of life,

where we have edges like, you know, my body stops here and this phone has edges to it.

I can pick it up and move it and whatever. So therefore, the quantum wave is collapsed through our consciousness so that this is a thing.

But our bodies are the same way. We tend to think, obviously, that our bodies are who we are, but they're not.

And what they truly are cannot be threatened, because it's the only thing that's real.

Does that make sense? It's getting a bit of woo.

Well, it is very woo-woo, but I mean, who are you?

You're spirit. You are one. I mean, you know, if you follow that, that we're all one, we're not a thing.

But God, or whatever you want to call it, is one thought, one intention, one, one, whatever.

I mean, it's hard to say, because you usually say things and things, you know, the material thing.

And we are that where we're essentially collapsed into being with a faith as a human, with a body that is kind of universally similar.

And what we call a brain, which is an organ in our head, it's more like a TV receiver than it is a thing that creates.

And that's what we physically are on the physical earth.

And yeah, we have a job to do here, I think. I mean, I don't know if it's a job or it's just to exist.

So we want to maintain this so that we can do that.

So we don't want to just walk off a cliff or fall out of a window at a 20-story building.

We don't want to die.

So the physical self is designed in such a way that we thirst and we eat and, you know, we take care of ourselves to some degree so that we don't just drop dead.

Because we fear that this will go away and therefore we will go away.

So, you know, that's good. I mean, otherwise everybody would be dropping off, jumping off a cliff.

It's, you know, why not?

But so we're built to be fearful of things that will threaten our bodies.

And I don't know what it does to go on about that.

So what's interesting there is that you're correct when you say what good is there.

Because this is what happens when you get analysis paralysis.

And it, for me, there's an overlap.

It dovetails with the everybody's art to get us narrative.

I'm not paranoid. Everybody really is art to get us.

But it doesn't, it's not very helpful either.

Well, it depends on the define helpful.

Well, I mean, you have to wake up in the morning in the morning and smile.

Well, yeah. I mean, that's kind of the essence of it.

So you can get up in the morning and smile every day if you don't pay attention to any information that comes in, other than your surrounding,

other than what's within reach, like literally.

I mean, I'm not worrying right now about the car speeding out on a freeway that if I stood in front of it would kill me.

I'm not even thinking about that.

So is that the best place to be?

This is a only concern yourself with your direct surroundings.

Your family, your, you know, maybe extended out a little bit to your community, to your neighbors.

Certainly you have to extend it out far enough to your grocery store if you want to eat.

But this is the essence of living off the grid.

This is what that's all about to find a community that can sustain itself, you know, through growing food or whatever it might be.

And it's safe enough that the external world, all the bullshit that's going on in it is not going to affect you.

Now, you can do that to a degree. You can't do it completely because you got chemtrails.

You got to worry about, you know, there's, there's, you can't totally protect yourself.

And then, of course, the government doesn't like that.

You know, we have a lot of examples of things like Ruby Ridge and Waco and stuff like that where the government doesn't like the idea that people are trying to collect rainwater and crap.

But, I don't know.

Now, I think what I'm getting at is you can have a discussion about, let's say, I don't know, a great song from the 80s.

And someone will say to you, that's a distraction. You know, this is actual real stuff to talk about.

Why we worried about crap like that? Now, that's just bread and circuses.

And I really absolutely hate that.

Because then just sliturists, you know, at some, at some point you need to, you need to break out of all that pessimism and negativity.

And you need to be able to see, you know, the bunnies.

And you need to be able to see the rainbow.

You know, not everything is a distraction. We are designed also to be entertained, even for a short while.

I think the only thing, I agree with you 100%. I think the only thing we're designed to do is to take care of what we have control over, to take care of what's within arms reach, like what I was just describing.

I think that's what we were designed to do. I don't think we were designed to take in all of this junk that we take in.

Now, some people don't. You and I do. So the lesson for you is to stop doing what you do for a living.

Okay, because you, that's what you do. You take care of.

But you can balance it.

You can balance it. You have to balance it. I think anybody that tells you something like, don't listen to that song and don't comment on it.

Because it's not, it's surface and it's garbage, you know, I think they're the ones that have the problem.

Because they, they, they're trying to bring you into a state of being like diligent, like 100% of the time, like 24-7, to concern yourself with what's going on outside of your reach, which I don't think is natural.

I mean, humans up until very recently did not do that at all. They didn't know what the hell was going on. They didn't even know what was going on five miles away.

And, and, you know, we're not designed to do that. Now, if we do it, if we decide to do it, we have to be very careful not to allow it to completely occupy our instinctive system to control it.

You know, our system is designed to control what is around us to keep us safe and keep our loved ones safe and whatever.

We have to know that when we start concerning ourselves what's going on in Gaza or in Europe or whatever, we have no control over.

If, if we've chosen to partake in it with the information for whatever reason, like do a podcast or to write articles or whatever, we have to be very, very careful not to allow it to take over that instinctive compulsion to manipulate it.

And that's what you're doing listening to the song and like going, oh, this is a really cool song or whatever, you're pulling yourself away from that compulsion to control these things, you have no control over.

And that's healthy. If you don't do that and you get, you get sucked into this insanity where you lay awake at night and think about Putin or Trump even, then you're not doing yourself a healthy service.

You're not taking care of yourself because you're not supposed to, because you're not designed to try to control things that are not within your control.

Well, I mean, that's what Stephen Covey wrote about in his fantastic book, The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People.

If you just, if you just sit in doom scroll the whole day long, you become absolutely useless. You're not, you're not effective at all.

And I remember when I was having, I had lunch with Zubi last year, you know, my show a few times, he lives in Dubai and I was over there for a few days.

And he said to me, we're not supposed to consume as much media as we do now, not just media information.

And you made the point a moment ago, you said, you know, people didn't know what is going on five miles away.

By the way, I don't, I don't know what, what five miles is our working kilometers. But I, I assume, I assume it's quite far.

Sorry. It's what it's not far. It's not far.

Anything longer than your arm lay. I don't know, you know, I don't know what the conversion is.

I also don't know. It's like 1.7 or two or something. I don't know.

No, let's, let's say 10 kilometers away.

But I mean, and he's right. You know, we aren't, we aren't designed to absorb so much information and so much data.

You know, at some point, something else to break. And that's us.

Well, yeah. I mean, psychologically, there's no question about that.

It's like if you look at primal cultures or ancient cultures, it's like anything they didn't understand, they made something up about it.

That, that they had some, some semblance of control over. Like, like if you walked out into the lake and or the stream and there was an alligator and it ate you.

The other people in the tribe would like come up with some reason why that happened.

And something they could control. Like they, they didn't worship the crocodile god enough. They didn't bring him any bananas or whatnot.

And so, so they make an adjustment to that to, to try to control it.

And you know, obviously we don't think today that work. We don't know if he did.

It's like I, I believe those kinds of things do work.

It's not a cause and effect materialist machine or mechanism that makes it work, but there's something to it.

And you know, we don't do that as much now, obviously.

You know, if, if something bad happens to me, I, I don't necessarily believe, although I do somewhere in my core self believe that that maybe I wasn't worshipping properly or what we're not in alignment with truth or an alignment with source, whatever you want to say.

That's a whole other topic we could go on forever. But, but just going back to this control thing. Yeah, absolutely.

If you, if you bring in more information that makes you believe you should control, you are, you're going to damage yourself psychologically because psychologically we're not designed to deal with that.

We certainly are, have, have certainly learned over time to deal with it better than we would have.

I mean, if you think about grabbing somebody from like the 1200s, let's say, and dropping them on the freeway in a car, they would probably lose their mind very, very quickly, like literally.

You know, because they couldn't deal with it. They couldn't deal with all of the things flying around them that we do deal with.

I just wrote an article about denial, which is kind of touching on this.

Absolutely. Yeah, we do have a natural sense of denial in order to accommodate the information that we receive that we have no control over.

Like if we're in a car or in an airplane or whatever, there has to be something that comes into place that essentially ignores the reality of the situation and ignores our instinctive response to it.

That that was built in to us. And that's what this healthy denial is.

And we're seeing and now where we see, we get too much information. I mean, we shouldn't have the information at our fingertips that we have with all of this, what's going on in the world, what's even going on in our own cities.

You know, with all the horrors with murder, pedophilia, whatever it might be, this whole Epstein thing. I mean, it's like that information.

Yes, you can argue with the other way around, or if we didn't have the information, we would never be able to do anything about it.

And there is something we can do about it. To some degree, we can insist that people be brought up on charges. We can insist that people, you know,

have a better healthier standard of living, the people that have control, that actually the authorities, the politicians, and whatever.

So in that sense, it's a good thing. I'm not saying that we should just be ignorance is bliss and just live through our lives with absolutely no information input.

I think it's kind of getting to that point though. I don't know. I mean, it almost feels like that.

Well, yes, I think so too, because even people in my circles go, ah, I'm tuning out. I've had enough.

Right. It's too much. Right.

And that's the counterbalance. That's right. That's right.

Or if you don't counter that much, you do what I do. You listen to songs or watch a movie or something.

And then when someone says, ah, but, you know, that's a distraction. Yes, that's exactly correct. It is a distraction. And that's what I want.

Because if I don't have that distraction, I might end up on antidepressants or taking polls for something.

You have to counterbalance that huge amount of information that's flowing into us every day.

You can if you choose to be a human being. You know, you can, if you want to devote your life and everything there is about you to the cause to be a soldier for the cause.

Like you think just, just metaphorically, all of the men that went to war, that went on crusades throughout history, they essentially gave up their life.

And we're ready to literally die for what they were doing. I mean, even as recent as, well, going on right now, I mean, we're in like in Europe.

But not everybody's the same.

Well, no, no, not everybody's the same. Not everybody chooses that. Some people are forced into it, obviously.

But not everybody chooses that. And to bring it back from, you know, from a war situation to say like what we do.

I know what I do. It's like, I believe, as weird as this is going to say, I believe I am answering a calling.

I believe that the purpose in my life at this time in my life is to engage myself, not to the point where I psychologically burn out, but to a point where I do focus on it.

And my wife doesn't want me to. I mean, she like says, why are you doing this? Why are you looking for all of this?

And I go, I don't know, it's just what I do. It's just what I'm driven to do. Maybe one day that'll change.

And I won't be driven to do it anymore. And I'll be driven to go sit on a beach somewhere until I expire. And then I'll be fine, you know.

But I do think if you engage in it, and again, without fear, I think fear is the key thing that causes the problem.

Psychologically, we're designed not to take in this kind of information. We need a break from it. But aside from that, you know, I mean, I always think about Rachel's line in the Bible where she goes out.

And I can't remember the details of it, but she goes out to battle. And her line is, if I perish, I perish.

That it's like, okay, I'm not afraid of this. I'm not afraid of perishing for this cause. If I do, I do. If I don't, I don't. Great.

But I don't care. I don't think everybody has to be that way by any means. I don't think this guy telling not to listen to songs, you know, that it's a distraction. It's like that's his choice.

Yes.

And then the best is, yeah, but dude, all right, I get it. You need to have a distraction, but don't watch movies. You know, go for a walk.

Well, how about don't you prescribe to me? Yeah. Well, that's a projection. Yeah, he's, I mean, I don't know the guy. I live in Africa. I go for a lot of walks.

We have a lot of sunshine. Yeah, we have a lot of broken infrastructure and we have many opportunities to go into nature. Don't worry about that. You don't have to tell me to go outside.

Right. Now, it's like any time anybody's telling you what they think you should do. That's, that's a projection of their own, their own inadequacies or in psychological holes.

And whatever. I mean, it almost I mean, we all do it. I mean, I'm not criticizing anybody that does it. It's, it's like any time we think we know what's best for somebody, even with its obvious stuff.

If, I mean, you can inform people, you can say, Hey, I read an article that said, you know, looking at movies is, is not as good as going out for a long. I mean, you can, you can do that.

But any time you start projecting onto them, you're not doing the right thing. And I know what the right thing is. And this is what it is.

You're, you're dealing with projections that not, not anything really constructive. It's more about them and their inability to kind of integrate their own, whatever it is, you know.

And this is why I think it's so important to always focus first inwardly before outwardly. You can't win any wars if you only focus outwardly.

No, no, no, you're right. You're right. But I tell me what you mean by wars, though.

Like information was. And how do you, how do you solve that inwardly?

Well, how can I think clearly if I am eating badly, sleeping badly, fighting with my wife all day long so that I'm perpetually angry?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I thought. Well, I wasn't even sure that's what you meant, but that absolutely 100%. I mean, you can't, the structure of your system is, or it is dependent on the structure of your system to do anything in the world.

And you know, you don't count anymore. You're not allowed to, to, to, to be like Rachel. You, you can't go out and conquer the beast anymore. You're, you're not allowed to do that. You have a family.

And you got to choose your battles. Well, you don't have that choice. You're, you're number one priority is your son.

And, and if you get any more of them, well, not, not as much. But yes, if you choose that.

But, you know, again, a partner is, is autonomous. They're independent to some degree. I mean, certainly your structure of your relationship is, is, you know, you can, you can decide that that's your position and whatever. And that's fine.

But, but in reality, it's not the same as having a dependent, you have a dependent being that their, their health and, and their survival is dependent on you.

So, you know, you can, you can do what you do to some degree, obviously, because you do have to take care of yourself to, to some point.

But if there's ever a choice, you know, you don't, you don't have that choice. I don't think. I mean, that's my opinion. It's a shit. But, but this is why I get typally.

Yeah, I mean, this is why I get frustrated when people criticize, let's say I do a few episodes on diet, you know, when, when there's a war going on in the Middle East, you know, how can you be talking about, it's about stakes.

But I talk about stakes because, hey, I also am human. Number one, and I enjoy eating. I don't know why do you, but I enjoy eating. It's, it's a part of, it's a part of being alive.

And also, I want to eat in the best way possible so that as I just said a moment ago, so I can think in the best way possible.

You have to cost a wide net if you want to put all the puzzle pieces together.

Well, absolutely. I mean, you, you are a material being and a material being requires certain care in order to maintain its, its, its existence.

I mean, both physiologically and mentally and emotionally and spiritually, I believe. So, yeah, you, you have to keep your, just like a warrior has to keep up his body or he'll, he'll be slashed apart immediately.

Well, I mean, the truth is, the truth is Todd that we are living in a material world and I am a material goal, all boy.

Well, you're a girl now, aren't you? You didn't you transform, you transitioned.

I identify it can't tell the difference anymore. They all look the same.

It's a whole point and then get everybody to look the same.

This is the, this is the thing. This is the thing. Life is a, this is, this is the beautiful horseshoe to something we said at the beginning, right?

Complex systems. You can't be a one-trick pony and think you're going to win information wars.

No. You know, going back to that projection idea, it's, it's like it's one thing, like let's say somebody decides to know nothing about anything other than what's going on in their block or in their neighborhood.

They don't want to know anything about the world, nothing. And then you have somebody else that's fine. See, you just set it. That's fine.

And the problem comes in when somebody else comes along that's not doing that and points a finger at them and says you can't be like this, you can't do this.

The same goes reversed. And this is where, you know, and you've read my writing, I use the sheep and shrew thing all the time and I get a lot of trouble for it.

This idea of the sheep, my problem with sheep is not so much that they're sheep and they're following the tail in front of them.

It's that they're not aware of the truth. That's one thing. The other is that they come after me for not being a sheep.

That's where the problem is. And I don't come after them for being a sheep. I mean, I do on a broad sense, I think that the more ignorant people are, the more problem there is in the world because obviously a lot of our problems would be solved if people were thinking and were aware.

But that's as a group. It's individuals. I have a lot of sheep around me and my family and whatever that I adore. I love them.

I would never, their sheepness doesn't change my love for them as my friends and my family. It does for them though, which is the part that I just lose it over.

I've got a problem there. But this idea that the love for me and the care for me as a person is predicated on whether I believe certain things are not or believe certain things about how I live my life or what's important to me or whatever.

And I think there are certain levels of that that are unnatural. I think it's unnatural to be a serial killer or it's unnatural to be a pedophile or whatever. And I can see people making judgments based on those things.

But not on whether I support Trump, which I don't, but whether I support him or not, things like that or not even support him but just not say black and white, everything he does is evil. I don't do that.

And yet I'm judged for that. And I think that's one of the major differences between people that thinks they like, and I'm assuming you think the same way because of what you're saying here.

But think this particular way that it's like as long as you're not interfering directly with me and my life and my family, I'm not going to oppose what you do or think.

Yes, yes, I think yes, I think I said that wrong. I don't mean oppose what you do or think but oppose you as opposed.

I largely agree with that. I mean, I think that is probably the core sort of anarchist libertarian position. It's the, what do they call it? The non-violence approach or something like that?

Yeah, I don't know. Where it's basically you do you and I'll do me kind of thing, right? But reality isn't like that though because what you do does sometimes affect me, you know, like for example, if you, if you pee into a stream.

No, that doesn't, that example doesn't work because because that I do that all the time. Yeah, yeah, me too.

You mean downstream somebody drink in the water you peed in. Yeah, I don't suppose that's a very good example. Okay, I can't think of an example, but let's just stay with that for just a second. Yeah, you're absolutely right.

You should go up that person and say, you know what? I drink the water here. You're peeing in it. You got to stop doing that. That doesn't mean I hate them. It doesn't mean I'm going to kill them.

I think what I mean, I might kill them. Sure. I'm what I'm getting. I'm getting at what I'm getting at is the butterfly. I think that our actions can create consequences that we onto were of.

Yeah. I mean, again, and maybe I was stupid or didn't make it clear whatever I'm really talking more about.

I mean, look at war. The purpose of wars to kill people that represent a country that isn't doing right by the other country that's trying to kill the people in the country.

And it's like, yeah, okay, well, there could be really good reason why you want that other country to do the right thing, not to pee in the stream or whatever it might be.

But you're killing people in order to accomplish that in order to show you're more powerful and you could kill everybody.

I mean, that's a loose analogy, but it's like what I'm saying is that yes, people can think and do the wrong thing, but you don't hate them for it.

You dislike what they're doing and you want to change what they're doing, but you don't hate them for what they're doing unless they're totally outside of the realm of human decency.

And that's where you can get into a lot of argument. And, you know, well, this isn't decent with their doing so they should be dead, you know, whatever.

But I think you're saying the same thing. I mean, I think you're going into the problem of no, you shouldn't necessarily be fine with what people are doing or how people think or whatever, but it doesn't mean you can't love them.

And I know, you know, if you don't know, I'm well, it's like he gives a shit.

They're from the tribe next door, 10 kilometers away, you know, just go and war with them and kill them all and then you don't have a problem anymore.

I mean, that's how it's been done for millennia.

But I know what I'm saying is a bit idealistic, but I'm really using more examples of people I know, not the tribe down the street, but the people that I know and that I love, people in my family, people that are friends.

I've had for, I mean, I told you this a million times. I've had a whole handful of friends, like very close friends who have completely rejected me.

And because of the COVID thing during that time, five years ago, and I have two of them, I always cite and say they actually wrote to me on Facebook and said, I hope you get COVID and die.

Literally said that to me. Now, whether they really meant it or not, I don't know, but you don't say that to somebody.

And my views on the, on taking a drug in my arm, who cares what I think about that?

Now, of course, the agenda has tried to put it in everybody's minds that anybody that doesn't take the vaccine is just the same as somebody who wants to rape you or come into your house and kill your grandmother or whatever it might be, that they're one in the same thing.

And that's where you like go, what is it with you? Why do you think that way? Why is it more important to you to be the person that cares for me and loves me as a friend or whatever?

That it's more important that you follow some vaporous idea that the government has that if you don't do this, everybody on earth is going to drop dead.

And that's what we were fed. And that obviously isn't true. And of course, nobody turns around and goes, gee, that didn't happen.

I mean, it's like all of us that didn't get vaccinated, we should be dead and we should have killed a lot of people in the process according to what we were told.

And that didn't happen. But nobody's coming back to me that I'd lost his friends and saying, gee, you know, I wasn't quite right. I'm sorry about that.

Anyway, I know that's all all news, but...

No, well, I mean, it'll always be relevant because there are always people dying, suddenly.

Of what?

Playing tennis.

Oh, okay. Yeah.

Or taking the dog for a walk.

Yep.

Or chemtrails.

Definitely chemtrails.

I saw a guy the other day sucking in the dust coming out of an airplane and he dropped dead.

No, that was anti-China propaganda.

Oh, right. We've got a lot of that going on. Of course, they brainwashed you when you were over there.

They did. All those Chinese people.

Listen, I want to go back there. You must go to Shanghai. It is an incredible city.

Oh, I'd love to.

Now that I'm part Chinese living in Canada, you know.

This is an interesting point. I think most of the world is part Chinese now.

Of course. Why not?

No, listen, it's a beautiful city. It's a mega city, so you have to understand that.

You're going to make the comparisons. You know, you can't compare it to like going to Iceland or Siberia or something.

But you go there to experience an incredible city.

I suspect your side of the world has a few great cities too.

I don't really have much desire to go to Canada.

Canada used to be, well, the problem with Canada now is the political part of it, of course.

And again, the brainwashing. I mean, it seems like nobody can get away from that

as a mass of people. It's like, so that's a problem.

But, you know, Canadians in Canada itself has always been.

Canada's had a really incredible position because they're essentially taking care of militarily and everything about the United States.

That they've had the opportunity to really grow and evolve only from kind of an idealistic utopian, almost state.

And so they reflect that. I mean, they're good people, they're loving, they're caring.

And that's the stereotype. They've been labeled as well. But it's true.

And so they're also very, you know, they're very sheeplike.

They can be manipulated relatively easily.

And so we're seeing this hate Trump thing. And again, going back to Trump, I mean, he's definitely been labeled as the thing to hate.

Anything that goes wrong, it's his fault.

And rather than take responsibility for it yourself and deal with it is what it actually is.

Even if you can be sure that Trump is nuts and selfish and all of those things, you can still deal with what's going on without focusing your people to hate the United States.

Because Trump in particular, but the United States in general, I went back to Virginia for a week, a while back.

And when I came back, well, even when I went, there was only two cars in front of me at the border.

And when I came back into Canada, the entire border with like 20 or so booths, immigration booths, to go through a huge parking lot was totally empty.

There wasn't a single person there.

And that's the way Canadians fight back.

Yeah, stupid ways that don't have any any influence at all.

What's the population of Canada?

I don't know. I think it's like 36 million something like that. I think I don't know.

I could be totally wrong. It could be 10 times.

But I always have in my head, it's like 36, 37 million.

You should have AI right there and ask it.

No, I won't type it in now.

We're coming in for the final lap anyway.

So I'll go with your figures.

Okay.

We really have channeled about lots and nothing.

That's right.

The classic spitballing.

But then we have to horseshoe back just to just to meet and everything up.

We started off talking about chemtrails.

And I think there is a psychological aspect to that.

And I was thinking about this actually the other day that some folks with whom I interact will simply reject.

Anything and everything that is considered mainstream.

And if you accept anything that's mainstream, you're no me.

And I find that a false dichotomy.

I think it's a trap.

Because not everything again is that binary.

I think you're hitting on probably one of the most important things to be talked about.

And I think that's one reason why I like you so much.

Because I feel very isolated in being that way.

That what you're presenting here.

And of course on the on the I'm sorry folks.

I apologize that people are offended by me using the word cheap.

It's just the word to kind of talk about dichotomies to to show a different mindset.

Not everybody that's in it is 100% in it.

I realize that.

What you're saying is that you do need people you have heard like mindset also.

You do need them.

Yes.

I think so.

I think for an idealistic culture to function well, you have to have an uncorrupt leadership.

Imagine you're in a village and everybody is this sort of anarchist non-sheep type person.

And there's this huge fire.

And they don't know about it yet.

And you go in saying, guys, there's a huge fire.

Come out.

Now what you do want is a heard like mindset.

You want everybody to come out of the village.

But if all of them are like, ah, up yours.

I'm not listening to you.

Who are you to tell me what to do?

And then they'll burn.

There you go.

You got rid of them.

No, absolutely.

But see, there's an assumption there that's vital.

The assumption is that the people that are the leaders of a group of sheep are benevolent and care about people.

Sure, there's going to be gray areas and everything.

But that actually have a heart and care about people.

I don't think that's universally true.

I do think there's some politicians and whatever that actually do care about people.

I'm not doing what you're saying that's a problem.

I'm not saying everybody.

But most of them seem to be.

I never used to believe this until recently.

But most of them seem to have their own agenda.

Now their agenda may be in their mind, benevolent.

And this is something that our side doesn't like to think about.

I mean, the New World Order and whatever.

They may have the right idea about keeping as many people alive that are working,

that are contributors to this culture and society and all of that.

They may truly believe that this is the way to go.

And it never has been.

I mean, human beings don't work that way.

They don't work in a utopian setting.

I mean, communism has proven that.

I mean, that was their ideal.

You know, I've read a lot of Lenin's work.

And Lenin, when he first started out, and marks the same way.

I mean, they had a benevolent idea about how culture should be run.

And it is a good idea, but it doesn't work.

And it's been proven again and again and again, and it doesn't.

So no matter how much they like to strut around saying

that we're doing this with a good of the people,

it doesn't human nature.

It's never worked that way.

And so.

Okay, Todd.

Yes, sir.

How can I follow your work?

ShrewViews.com.

It's my sub-stack, www.shrewViews.

Shrew is the little animal with the long nose.

And long story.

But I got hundreds of articles there,

so I would love to see there a lot of discussion.

And stuff, so nice for him.

Speaking of Shrew, I think I told you this long time ago.

So we go to the Krueger National Park, at least once a year.

I've often argued it's probably one of the best places in the world.

Huge game park, about the size of Israel.

And it's famous, obviously, for having the Big Five.

But now, the average person doesn't know what the Big Five is,

but it's the elephant, buffalo, lion, leopard, and rhino.

And there's a wonderful story behind how those five animals

became known as the Big Five.

I can also tell you that if you're interested.

And we also have what's known as the Little Five.

And this is more of an unofficial kind of, it's more of a trope.

But it's nonetheless something that exists.

And a Shrew is considered one of what?

Actually, more specifically, the elephant Shrew.

Well, that's the one.

And he's considered one of the little five.

Cool.

Well, there you go.

Yeah, he says he's a feisty little guy.

I think there's a rhino beetle or something like that,

which is also part of it.

I can't remember the little five, but they're basically the miniature

of the Big Five.

Do they each have a correlation with the Big Five,

like the elephant Shrew and the elephant and the rhino beetle and the rhino?

That's great, yeah.

Oh, that's cool.

Well, Shrews are known for being very vicious toward animals

and sometimes their size, like they'll jump up and bite the nose of a dog

and stuff like that.

That was a long story.

I was actually underplaying it a little bit,

but when we were at the Grueger National Park,

I think the last time, or the second last summer, I can't remember,

there was a tour group and we went and spoke to them,

they were just, they just happened to be nearby and asked them,

you know, are they going to go try and find the Big Five?

And they said, no, no, no, no, no, no.

We're actually here to find the Little Five.

Oh, that's funny.

That's funny, that's cool.

So I can only imagine how slowly you must be driving through the park

because you've got to be looking at the ground.

That's true.

We're walking.

You're not going to find it.

You can't really walk then, you can't really walk then.

Oh, you can.

Well, no, I mean, well, you can,

but do you want to walk with your leopards and lions?

Maybe, depending on your intentions.

Yeah.

Cool.

All right.

Tore in.

Thank you.

Thank you, sir.

Love to be here.

Take care.