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The Kansas City Chiefs introducing their newest crop of free agent additions.

We will talk about what we learned from their introductory press conference, as well as

Kansas City's need for another veteran and my receiver, I'll toss up some free agent

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That's free agent introductions happening today, from the team facility, I saw a little

something, you know, and of course all my eyes were on Kenneth Walker, I'm the running

back guy here, and he, one thing that stood out to me is the culture.

He said that, quote unquote, a winning culture for Kansas City is the one thing that stands

out to him and why he wanted to, or assigned here, why don't you hop on in on the winning

culture and what you learned from Kenneth Walker.

But the first thing I learned that he is a very soft spoken, soft spoken person, so that

kind of took a minute with by surprise today, but you know, I mean, the fact that he's

able to, you know, come from a team that just won the Super Bowl and he was a Super Bowl

MVP, you know, he can talk from that vantage point, and he's someone that doesn't have

to be pushed to try to get to greatness, plus he's also someone that you don't have to

try to hype up or try to motivate to want to be great and to want to win, because he

just won a Super Bowl.

And so you put that in, you put that in with the rest of the team and his teammates who

are Super Bowl, you know, experts, so to speak, I just think it just, he just adds to

the culture and to the winning format that the teams are trying to bring back after one

year hiatus.

I will say that the happiest person at one era had drive, seen that Ben Eric be in

a me, you know, when, you know, after the contract and photos and stuff were taking place.

JC, what do you make of KW3's first meeting with the media here on Thursday?

You know, I thought it was, was good, you know, he said all the right things, obviously,

about, you know, the culture and all that, and, you know, I just like the, you know, kind

of his stature, I just, you know, I just wanted to see his build, you know, and he looks like

a, you know, solidly built young man, you know, that's going to carry the load, and, you

know, I thought, you know, all those guys said the right things, but, you know, looking forward

to seeing Kenneth Walker and how he handles the load, so to speak, and knowing that, knowing

he's the man, and, and then taking that on. And sometimes that, that brings guys to a, to

another level, you know, like we saw it in the playoffs with them, but now, hopefully, he can

maintain that level throughout the whole season.

We heard from Tonga as well, Chris Clark, as well as a low high, Gilman, and here's, I'm

reading directly quoted from Tonga. The question is, what do you pride yourself on in being

a defensive lineman? He says, I love being physical. I take a lot of pride in how physical

of my hands can be and how fast I can get off the ball. This is what this team was missing

along the defensive line. I mean, a fast get off a guy who embraced the physicality, and

a guy that continues to play throughout the entirety of the play through the end of the whistle.

Yeah, absolutely. And I will say really quick, the thing I loved about Kenneth Walker's

press conference is he came out and said he wanted to be at a place with a winning culture,

and you just literally won the Super Bowl this year. And you're talking about the chiefs

who had a bad down season, but they recognize that they have that culture here. I did

love what I heard from Tonga as well. I loved his comment about he saw Chris Jones down

in the weight room, and Chris Jones looked pissed off from last year. I think that that's

something to be excited about, and they're going to be continuing to, you know, get prepared

for the next season. I think that Tonga is going to, you know, be able to step in and actually

gives them the ability to maybe upgrade two positions because you're getting a guy that can

step in and play, you know, that nose tackle role in the defense, and they tried to, they tried

to force Omar Norman Lot there last year. Let Omar Norman Lot be Chris Jones's backup. Let him

be a guy that rotates in with Chris Jones and can rotate in and let Chris Jones play on the

outside at different times. Like, use him in that role. Let him do what he did so well in college,

so you could actually see this benefiting them in multiple different ways.

I remember we had a little, you know, this was Ryan who was saying that Gilman hasn't typically

fit the mold of what they've wanted in the past from a box safety versus a free safety,

and here's Gilman asked about it on his first day in the kingdom. What makes you fit for Steve's

Magnolos system is the question. He says, I have been in a bunch of different systems. I'll do

anything. If you want me to hold the tee, I'll hold the tee just excited to be out there and play

ball. I feel like I can do anything on the field. I don't think he's going to be asked to hold the

tee. I don't know that officially, but I doubt it. But it seems like, you know, the attitude is right.

Now that you can say the wrong things on a day like this, but you come in, you say, hey, I'm willing

to do whatever the coach wants me to do and fans cheer and they enjoy it and they embrace you.

Yeah, I guess that's what these press conferences are for, you know, just to run a crowd.

Yeah, exactly. And like you said, you know, it's hard to say anything wrong.

You know, I'm sure all those guys are excited. They just got paid right and signed a new deal.

So how can you not be happy and be ready to go?

Here's a question from the chat. Does Tonga signing rule out drafting a one tech at 74 or 109?

What do you think about that, Chris? I would say probably. Obviously, it depends on the board,

but I would say it probably takes a one tech off the board, but they name more defensive tackles.

So it really just depends on the class and who's available at 74 and 109.

If that's the best player available, then maybe they go that direction, but they still have a lot of

holes and it's going to be real interesting. I know we're going to talk about receiver and tackle and

all that a little bit later. But the chief still have a couple of different things that you would

expect them to get done before the draft starts. Yeah, because he's not a past rusher. He's a run

stuffer and a block eater, so to speak. So, you know, there's still going to need somebody to rush

and push the pocket from the inside. We've talked a lot about leadership on this platform and who's

going to be the guy in the defensive backs room or in the defense in general. That's going to be

that leader that they can galvanize around. This is a lot of guys who have gone onto other places

in free agency. And here's Alohae Gilman asked about that on this introductory Thursday,

asked about being one of the older players in the defense back room. He says, quote, I think that's

another superpower of mine just coming in and being a good player, a good teammate and a warrior

out there and finding ways to help the team get better. I don't have a lot of experience with the

guys in this room. He mentions playing with Christian Fulton with a year in L.A. But I think the young

crew, I'm excited to meet them and be around them and earn their respect as an older guy. Earn

their respect. JC, that's important, right? Sometimes players and think that, hey, I'm an older

guy. I'm a veteran. I'm just coming to the locker room and have that respect already with my name

and my resume. But for Gilman, he's saying, no, my priority is earning their respect and working

with them to try and raise the entire game defensively. Yeah, absolutely. And they don't have

that leader, quote, unquote, in the locker room right now, or at least in the secondary.

So it's going to have to develop. But like we talked about, you know, on the last show, it's

it's not just somebody that comes in that, you know, is talking the loudest or whatever,

it has to be earned. And, you know, you have to go out and typically it's earned through performance.

You've got to go out and show that you're the man that you can make plays and you're consistent.

And, you know, and then people start to follow you and see, well, how do you go to work? How do you

come to practice every day and things like that? But it's earned like, you know, like Gilman was saying,

it's not just where you've been or what you've done in the past when you're coming to a new team,

you have to earn that respect. What you think, Darren, is he going to bake your,

your list of post game, post game go-tos and one of the guys you're yucking up and bringing the

two gates. Possibly, obviously, again, it's still, it's like they said, it depends on, you know,

you're pulling the fill. There's one thing to talk to you talk, but you still have to back it up

and show it out on the field. And of course, we'll get a chance to see that during the practices

and during the training camps as well as free season as we leave it to the game. So, you know,

we'll get a chance to see, but I mean, as they said, they're saying all the right things,

and it's easy to see it early on in your first day, because you want to win the press,

you want to win the audience, you want to win, you know, saying the fan base, and you do that

right away, you know, at the introductory press conference by saying all the right things, but,

you know, being a Missouri, we're going to show me, say, you have to show us instead of just telling us.

What you know about the show me, Steve, I thought you were a J-hog.

Am I out? You go make me cut something.

I cover the J-hogs. That's all I'm gonna say.

It's good to see Andy Reed around. I know he had that knee surgery or something that prevented him

from going to the combine, but we've gotten little clips and bits through the team's social

media pages of, you know, you love seeing the guys walk through the tunnel and see Arrowhead

for the first time as a member of the chiefs. That was cool. And then Andy Reed and Eric

being in me, embracing them behind the scenes. Like, EBS in the mix, and I've been, you know me,

and I'll say it again, I've been asking for them to give him a little bit more leash, give him a

little bit more leeway, allow him to like, you know, put his fingerprints on the office a little

bit more. Am I reaching and saying that him being there in these moments is a sign that maybe he

does get a little bit more rain? Do we think, do we think that that's possible?

I would hope that when you look at how this is going to play out, he gets a little bit more rain.

I think that you are looking to scenario where Andy Reed has had him here before.

It's a question whether or not he's going to, you know, he knows what B&B brings. Obviously,

B&B is going to bring in some stuff that's a little bit different than you had the last time because

he's been in a couple of different places. He's learned more. He has maybe some different ideas

because of what he's seen, specifically under, you know, Ben Johnson in the different places he's

been with, you know, the commanders and whatnot. So you'd hope that he would give him a little bit

more and a little bit more responsibility. But again, it's Andy Reed. So we have to wait and see,

is that going to be the case? And the other side of it, though, really is not only will he give him more,

it's a question of are we going to need to see that he gives him more because maybe he gave Matt

Nagy more. I'm not saying he did or didn't, but would we know? That's my question.

You said the magic words, Matt Nagy. I'm surprised Darren doesn't have anything to add to that.

I mean, he said, look, man, I've said enough what I got to say. I have moved on. I've grown. I've

moved on for Matt, maybe. Oh, the chief, the chief seemed to have a connection with this specific

agency as well. I know we'll talk about a cornerback addition at the end of the show, but this

Aura sports group and the connection with KC, I don't know if that's something that is interesting

to y'all, but four of their sign E's all ending up in KC. This cycle, I think, Kenneth Walker,

Aloha Gilman, Tonga, and Kohu, is that he pronounces last name all from the same agency? All ending up

in KC seems like Brett Vich has a very popular number this off season. The one thing I'm questioning,

though, is we still don't really have specifics on some of these contracts. And so you have to wonder,

what does that really mean? We know the total numbers, but how do they play out? Is Kenneth Walker's

number really 28 million? I know it's 28 million guarantee, but how's that spread? Is it all in the

first two years? Are you doing 14 million a year? Or is he getting a lot of that in signing bonus?

And it's backloaded deal. That's the question. The only numbers that I have right now are

Togas. You know the NFL, so you can never believe that first number that's reported. There's so

much fine print in the void year and this and that and all they can do this loophole and that loophole,

I never believed the first number. The first number of me is always the agent pushing like,

hey, we got our guy this. You won't believe it. The Kohu's numbers didn't come out. Sorry, Dern.

No, no, I was going to say if you noticed that a lot of agents now recently have actually

just put numbers out, you know, because I guess if you've stopped thinking about it in

Christmunk and probably confirmed us that a lot of these players didn't get the numbers that they

thought they would get. And so the agents, you know, they're saying it's three, a deal, three, a deal.

It's only certain players like a trimming definitely whose numbers were put out there, but

yeah, because if you think about it, I mean, and I know I'm going to talk about the list of top

here free agents that are still out there that as the days go by, those numbers have to decrease.

So, you know, the asking price has to go down because they haven't got the chip.

All right, let's take our first break here on the chief squad show. We come back. We talk wide

receiver. How desperate is KC for a veteran in that room? We will discuss on the other side.

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All season. Back in on the chief squad show here on the Lockdown podcast network here in

Lad, JC Pearson, Chris Clark, and Darren Smith. Darren and I have been going back and forth not

only on air, but in our little chats behind the scenes. I think we're on the same page and saying

that Kansas City could use another veteran wide out in the room. Obviously, Rishi Rice and his

situation leads to more uncertainty for a second year in a row. Ty Quant Thornton is back in the

fold. Juju Smith Schuster yet to be decided. Holly Wood Brown yet to be decided. And we know

Xavier Worthy is back in the fold. I did see yesterday that Nico Rameeo was extended. I wonder

what the details are behind that, but we know he doesn't necessarily factor in directly to what

they do often. So I want to read a couple names. We can have the Tyree Kill conversation as well

again, but let's have some other names that are out there. I'm looking at. I just want to say

because I know we do agree on the better part, but I will also say and I know as we close

to the graph. If they can get a car and they'll tell you to somebody at number nine, I'm good with

that as well, because I still think they need a number one wide receiver, whether it's somebody in

this graph or, or you know, or someone outside of Tyree Kill that they bring in a better, but go ahead.

And a couple names on here, Juan Jennings, who up in the past, Debo Samuel Tyree Kill is on this

list to find digs, Calvin Austin, and I will search for some more names as we talk about those

few. Do any of those names float your boat, JC? Yeah, you know, and even if they do get a guy at

nine, I think they still need to get a veteran guy. A guy that, you know, I mean, a guy that can

lead by example also and it can teach, you know, we talked, you know, at the end of the season,

how these guys didn't feel like they were learning and being coached and all that. And you know,

I don't know if juju is that guy any longer, you know, so I think they need to get another guy

a proven veteran. Obviously, it's not going to be a big money guy. You know, I like that, that

scenario that Darren threw out last week or the last show about Marvel Harrison, but you know,

it remains to be seen. But regardless, whatever they do at nine, if they get a receiver at nine

or 29, a young guy, they still need to get a veteran. You know, and even if they get Tyree, Tyree

Greather, you know, he's not that guy that is, you know, kind of that that leader type of guy.

Obviously, you talked last time about his off the field issues and that kind of stuff. And

just his personality is not the type that is really going to teach so much in guys. Listen, so,

you know, if they sign Tyree, which I hope they do, I think it's another good deal, just like they

did with the defensive back today, I think they still might be able to bring in another vet.

I'm kind of surprised with how the Deandre Hopkins thing worked out the first time. He's

back on this list again, bounced around to a couple more teams since he left KC the first time,

but we heard so many good things from the Y receiver room about how he was the veteran. He was the

guy that was leading. He was teaching them how to run routes. It didn't necessarily work out here

in KC when it was like a one year situation. But we're talking about a veteran guy who can establish

them in the room, be that like he to me fits exactly what we're talking about, especially when

you're talking about money as well. No, no, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead there. But now I'm going to

say I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't really, I don't think that there was any real issue with him,

with with the while he was in Kansas, especially in the locker room and our dealings with him. I didn't

see an issue with it. I just thought that because they didn't want to see what moment was the one

year deal that he was trying to, he was trying to, you know, utilize the cheese as we talked about

some of the other free agents to try to partly that to a bigger contract somewhere else. And I

can't remember what he got involved some more. But I mean, a reunion with Kansas City wouldn't

wouldn't seem out of the out of the realm of possibility. Just no matter what they actually wants

to come back to Kansas City. I think he was, he was on the train ride and trying to get that

super bowl. And when they, you know, when it didn't pay him out, you know, perhaps you might think

that there's another team that could perhaps present a better chance for him to get it this time

around. I don't know. Are we against bringing Hollywood Brown back?

I mean, for the right, for the right price, you, you can bring them all back.

There'd be quite a lot of, I'm not, well, I don't think that they were really the issue. I think

it was most of the protection of front, you know, with them, with them not being able to protect

Pat enough. And again, some of the, some of the rescuers, as you mentioned, not being able to run

routes now. Again, I put that most on the receivers into an extent, even the coaches asked this.

I don't know how you could be for a year or two years or whatever, not know how to run the routes,

but that's a, that's a, you know, discussion for another time. But I wouldn't have an issue,

but the thing is, I'm someone who, who, who, personally, I prefer bigger receivers, taller

receivers. And which is why I'm still, I'm still kind of shocked that we were never possibly in

the running for Mike Evans, you know, certainly even to even, you know, look at trying to bring them

in. I know the money, the money just didn't work out there. He got it. He got it. What's probably

what it was. No, no, no, and I get it, but I'm saying, you know, but I, I would like, I would like

somebody of that ilk. I mean, I know he's a little older, but if we talk about veterinary receivers,

the Kenan Allen, I mean, you know, I mean, why, you know, why would he not work here in Kansas City?

Because he's older, I mean, but, but I know we're also looking for a cortical true number one

where I receiver. And currently, I just don't think that we have that, right? I know we try to

force it over she writes, but, you know, I mean, but we got to, what we got to be honest and

we're, he's not a number one, why receiver. So, you know, Kenan Allen was at 6.8 million last year,

Deandre Hawkins at 1.4. This kind of depends on what ballpark you're in. Chris, where are you at

on this whole wide receiver debate? Do they need to invest in a free agent receiver? Are you

comfortable drafting a rookie and having him develop? I think you have to look at the numbers.

And it comes down to you have four guys that you think are probably going to be on the roster right

now. And so, it's a question of, are you going to be able to bring more guys in? I mean, you have

Jalen Royals, who I know we're not talking about. I know we're not talking about a number one guy,

but when you start looking at the numbers, you know, you talk about Niko Ramiro earlier,

more than likely, that's just him getting an exclusive rights free agent deal, so he's signed for

less than 1.1 million. It was no brain deal, no brainer deal for him to come back.

But, you know, are they going to take seven wide receivers that hasn't really worked out for

this team very well? So, where are you going to make the addition? Because at this point, you

know, you have Royals, you have Rice, you have Worthy. We got Thornton as well. Yeah, we got

him back. So, you got four receivers there. If you draft one, okay, then you're at five,

and you have Ramiro as your returner. Now, obviously that can change if you find another

wide receiver that can come in and be a returner as well, but the numbers really start becoming

an issue for me when you start looking at that position specifically, which is why it wouldn't be

shocked if it ends up being that they don't bring somebody back in until after the draft,

and maybe at that point, you can bring back a Juju, if you can't find somebody that's going to

be better than what he could give you. Juju is going to turn 30 this upcoming season was at

$2.1 million last year with nine years of experience. I don't hate Juju, I don't hate Juju, but

between your point of fact, if I had a Juju between Juju and Deandre, I work, I don't know, I think

I will go with Deandre, how? Because I think you know, because he came in the middle of the year,

but if you give him a full-off season with Patrick and the training camp and the rest of

stuff like that, now, you know, I'm sorry. He's not going to get the full-off season with Patrick,

because Patrick's not going to be able to play, but I understand your thought process.

But I'm saying, just be able to get that playbook, and being able to be coached by the enemy

throughout that all season with the other players. But again, seeing Patrick walking around the

other day just kind of, you know, he's looking like week one. So, but no, but to your point,

yeah, I just think, you know, some of those players, again, and getting him, we got him in the

middle of the season. I just think, what would a full-off season look like with him here?

So, yeah, but I think, you know, with that list that you just named, you know, and then if you

draft a young guy, you know, I mean, outside of Juju, you look, you know, I mean, there's still

young guys, and the whole thing that we talked about last year, or that we heard coming out of that

room is that, you know, the coach wasn't coaching them, and you know, they weren't getting any better,

they fundamentally technically, well, if you bring in a young guy, where's, you know,

yeah, they got a coach now, but, you know, that they brought in, but, you know, still, I,

you know, I think they need a guy that can show them on the field as well, to go along with

their coach, because it makes a difference. And while I'm not a believer of this coach, because of

what he was dealing with, and Cleveland for the last few years, and they had, I guess,

scoring a PSF the worst while receiving a group, or whatever, I'm going to give from the benefit,

I know, I hate to say, and I'm going to give them a bit of some of that here in Kansas City,

and hope that he could teach, he's running, you know, these wild receivers, you know, how to run

routes and teach and teach. Darren, I don't know how a new coach is hired, and you meet him with,

with hate and skepticism. Well, hey, I'm, I'm, look, man, I saw what they weren't working with

in Cleveland, and, you know, you know, we, we praise him, look, we praise his coach, oh, he coach

Randy Moss, well, Randy Moss was already established when he got him, and he coached some of

these other players, but we had a dive in, and, and, and coach them for five years, and you, and

they were ranked number 32 out of 32 teams. I mean, I, you know, I can't ignore that either, so,

you know, so again, when you come here, I want to see how you can improve this wild receiver room,

and the wild receivers again, if you're saying, if you're saying that our receivers said a thank,

you know, they didn't know the routes or how to run the routes or whatever,

well now you're bringing a wild receiver coach, and everybody's praising. So now we shouldn't be

hearing this come next season about correct. Right, and, and the thing, and another thing too, is that,

you know, if, if, you know, this offensive line is better, you know, if they, you know, choose to

get another tackle, or they're safe with, you know, or content with what they have, we got the

running back, so the running game should be there. That should help those guys out, outside also,

you know, hopefully get packed some more time, you're running the ball, play action, gives them more

time, the boxes got to be heavier, if you're if you're running the ball successfully, hopefully these

guys outside, you know, that helps them also. So, you know, that in, in, in, in, of itself, couldn't

make those guys a little more productive than they've been. Go ahead, Chris. I just, I think it's

interesting. You make a great point on the, on the, on the coach. I'm curious to see what he's

able to do, but I will say this, I feel better about having him, is there,

wide receiver coach than the guy that they just released. Like, like, I understand, like,

there's a little healthy skepticism, and I'm fine with that. But my big thing is, like, this guy,

at least has been coaching the position, has played, has coached some of the great wide receivers

that have been in the NFL. So he has some experience, which is way more than what the last wide

receiver coach is, could say. So we'll see whether or not that's going to be something that can help

this room, which, if the chiefs feel like he's able to step up their game in that regard,

maybe they don't feel like they need to go get a veteran wide receiver because of that,

because they feel like they have a coach that can step things up and be better. And as Darren said,

if they're able to go get a guy like, you know, Carnell Tate, where are you going to add another

wide receiver, unless it's going to be somebody that can take Ramihio's job as your returner,

because you're probably going to need somebody there.

Well, you got Bershar that did it at the end of the season. So yeah, I thought as well. I think

Tate Kwame would question you. And you need to go in with healthy competition. You need to bring

in as many guys as you can under the cap and let them compete. And that's what that's what it's

all about. And let the, let the cream rise to the top. So, you know, you don't want to go into

this camp or this offseason, giving anybody their jobs, other than the obvious, you know,

Kenneth Walker, you know, the lineman guys that we already know, you know, there are,

there are guys that have their job that we know. But for all those other guys that haven't produced

at that level, you know, you got to bring in competition and let the best guy win.

Aaron, you threw out a name earlier about Hollywood Brown, whether or not you want to bring

him back. Here's my thought on that. I wouldn't mainly because I don't think he's going to take

a contract that would be reasonable enough to bring him back. Number one, but two, I also wouldn't

because I think the reason they were able to get Ty Kwame Thornton back at what is relatively a

cheap deal from what it seems like is because they're going to give him the opportunity to go out and

actually play. And while Rice is the one that came back and took Ty Kwame Thornton off the field,

bringing Brown back isn't going to help that situation either. So to me, I think that they have

to kind of move on from Hollywood Brown at this point. We have some breaking chiefs news. Hold

out. We got some breaking chiefs news. We need to take a break first. When we come back,

JCL let you hop in and we'll talk about this new addition to the chiefs running back room.

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Aaron Lad, JC Pearson, Chris Clark, and Darren Smith, some breaking news here. This is the second

show in a row where they're waiting for us to go live and the breaking news comes down. It's

from Jordan Schultz. Source is saying the chiefs are signing former Cardinals running back.

Amari D. Mercado to a one-year deal. D. Mercado had over 1100 yards and four touchdowns in Arizona

and now joins Kenneth Walker in Kansas City's backfield. We have an initial reaction to that.

We talked about this last week. We talked about our last show. We said, hey, you know, this running

backroom is going to look a lot different. Do they draft a guy? Do they lean on Bershard Smith?

Here they are bringing in another running back and I've seen Darren Mercado in some spots. I

play fantasy. He's been an explosive guy in short yard existence. I'm not familiar with it because

I don't watch the Cardinals like that. So I'll reserve just now. I want to say, you know,

if they make you wonder what they really feel about Bershard Smith. Oh, Bershard, yeah, I guess

it was a man to where, you know, they were lining them up at receiver a lot of times during the

season. So I mean, it just to me put some lower down on the total pole where, you know, he didn't

get a lot of snaps at the running back position where I can see where he could be the eye man,

where he could easily be a practice squad or someone tradable, you know, during the

during a camp session. So do they move in the wide receiver? That's a thought as well.

But yeah, but is he good enough to be wide receiver? Because one thing this team doesn't have,

you know, you mentioned all the receivers that they have and all they don't have a chain mover.

They don't have a slot guy that plays in the slot. The consistent third down guy that they can

you know, get you first downs, run those routes, the curls, the, you know, the overs, the things

like that, you know, they can play opposite of Travis also that, you know, the guys they have now,

Taikwan, Xavier, Rashi, those are outside guys and those guys are, you know, mainly down the field type

guys, but they don't have the chain mover on third downs when they need to get that first down

or whatever that. And that's really what this team needs right now in that receiver room.

I wonder what this says about Kareem Hunt as well. I know this was a Kareem Hunt podcast and we

really loved it and appreciated the work that he brought last year, but you're bringing in two

free agent wide receivers who have got tread on the tires. And then I'm looking at Dworkado's

slashes from last season 13 catches 101 yards and a touchdown in the past game. We've been asking

to get a running back who can be a threat in the in the past game or can at least hold the defense

honest. Maybe they heard us here. Chris, what do you make of the D Markado signing?

It's interesting and you know, the big question is is what is his role going to be? How is he going to

play? And I do think that this is a move that could basically say Kareem Hunt's probably not

going to be back in Kansas City because at this point, they may still carry for running for running

backs. I still figured that they were going to draft one. Maybe this changes things to where they

don't have to draft one. But I still think that they could use another running back in that room.

And what are they going to do with Pshard Smith? It's a great question at this point. It looks like

they could kind of be similar players for some extent, but he also didn't get used in the offense

like I was expecting him to after watching what he did in the preseason last year. You were

expecting him to be a guy that they would break out and use not necessarily as a slot receiver,

but a slot receiver type. And maybe run some some routes on the inside,

against linebackers and whatnot. And they didn't really use them in that. Are they going to try

that this year? Or is he going to be on the team? That's another question.

Now Chris, I don't want to push them, but I do want to ask you this. Do you think some of

that to do, again, with the play column, because think about it, the last three seasons under Maneghi

is not I think they had a lot of creativity when it came to the running game. And so,

so what the return to be in me again, that again, I still say that that's going to be a focus

of the run game. I mean, as you've seen this week, the run game is going to be a bigger focus

whether or not it's going to have to be just to protect my home. So, so to your point,

the way he might have been utilizing Arizona, it will probably much different, obviously. Now,

with, you know, with be in and be here and and and their focus that they're going to,

I won't say shift to the run game, but but have but have more of a focus on it.

And then it had been, you know, over the last three seasons. So, I mean, like you got to think,

I'm interested, like everybody has to see how I'm paying that, but, you know, but like I talked

about the last couple of weeks, being curious about how they're going for it is to be because now,

as Chris has got to say, we don't know exactly where they're going to go in the draft when it comes

up next month. I mean, which is which is good, which is good. I mean, because you don't, you know,

you don't want to reveal your hand and reveal your cards or whatever, but it does give you a

general idea because we thought after the moves that that took place, you know, going into

free agency with them losing three defensive backs, man, they're going to be draft heavy and that

and then, you know, couple of signers, but, you know, prior to today's show, they sign, you know,

I mean, they sign a quarterback and they sign a safety already that's going to probably just move

right into the start lineup. So it does make you wonder where they go now, you know, as we head

to the draft next month. But, you know, like I said, competition, right? You got to bring in

competition and I wouldn't be surprised if they brought Kareem back because he's cheap and then

you let those guys battle it out. You see what this guy does? Obviously Walker is set, you know,

but after that, guys have got to fight for their positions and, you know, Kareem was one of the

best short-yardest guys in the league last year. When he did get an opportunity to play, you know,

did very well. But, you know, he's older. They don't want him to do that. They now they don't

definitely don't need him to do that with Kenneth Walker. But if something, have him for bit,

happens to a Kenneth Walker, then you know, you've got a guy that can do it also and even if,

you know, this guy from Arizona, if he proves to be, you know, a good running back, you're still

going to, you still need three, four good running backs because of injuries, Kareem's different

roles and that kind of stuff. So, you know, I don't see, you know, I think they still bring Kareem

back because, you know, it's the bare minimum. And where are you going to get a guy?

They keep it the same too. They keep them you know. Right. And that is productive in his role

for the minimum. So, you know, I think there still is a role for Kareem on this team.

Well, it's going to be curious to me. Do they draft another running back? You know, if they

draft another running back, I still say you can bring Kareem hunt back. But maybe he's a practice

squad guy this year. Maybe he starts a season on the practice squad and comes up if they get an injury

at the position. I mean, I don't think that anybody else is going to be running out there to sign him.

So, I don't think that he's going to get signed before the draft happens. So, if they're going to

bring him in, they're going to bring him in after the draft would be my guess. But I have no problem

with bringing him back. The other interesting thing, that comment, the commenter just said something

about, you know, are they going to have three or four running backs? Let's not forget. They also,

when they sign Tonga, they also got a de facto fullback. So, not going to say that's going to change

the numbers, but that kind of helps in some regards in some situations.

Well, none of these guys are fullback types. They're not going to be lead blockers. They're not

going to do that. So, that's a whole different skill set, different role.

That's not going to lie, man. And if you drop the running back, it's going to be six or seven

round. I can't see them. I can't even see them in 34th to fifth round going out the running back

because to your point, it'd be quite as even if you bring Karine back, if they were to drop

the running back, that rookie is going to be the one on the practice line. I don't see them,

I just, just out of sheer respect. I don't see them putting Karine on the practice. I mean,

especially, you know, I actually had to when they first brought him back in because he had to,

he had to get his reps in, but I don't see this area where unless it just have too much depth,

then he goes, if they sign them, I think he's on the 53, man, I just don't see them on the practice

line. I just don't see them doing that to him, particularly.

Well, that's the breaking news there, chiefs, adding to the running back room and we'll see how

that position continues to evolve for the Kansas State Chiefs. We started this topic talking

about tackle. And this is a position that we've talked about quite a bit on this panel as the

changes. Obviously, Joanne Taylor was let go. But we thought that they had all the answers they

wanted in-house. We thought it was Jalen Moore, Josh Simmons, and then you have Wayne Morris as

your swing and whatever all your, all your additions are in-house. But people are questioning Casey's

attachments to some free agent tackles. They allegedly or reportedly made a push for New

York Giants, right? Tackle, Jermaine, Illuminaur, and then there's also smoke around them potentially

procuring the services of Green Bay Tackle, Rashid Walker, who is one of the top free agents available

at the Tackle position. I'm just looking at this. And who else am I? Who else am I just going to

who about to say? William says, well, and that has been attached by someone on our very panel.

Look, whether it's a specific name and our chat is agreeing right now, it seems like the chiefs

are poking around Tackle. To me, this shows that they're not fully set with what they have in-house

and they're continuing to do their due diligence on the free agent market. And possibly in the draft

as well. I wonder which I'll think about Casey's interest in an offensive Tackle.

Yeah, well, I don't know. You know, when Brett Vich was at the combine and talked about, you know,

the running game and he mentioned those three guys inside by name, he didn't say anything about

the Tackles, right? He said these, we have these three guys, the center and these two guards,

we got to take advantage of, named them, didn't say anything about the outside guys. So, you know,

I don't know, you know, at first I didn't think it made sense, but then looking at it,

maybe, you know, if you can solidify that, like we're saying, man, you solidify that, you give

protect Pat and he doesn't have to run around as much. You got a running game, you got another

running back now, you know, maybe you don't, those receivers, you know, don't have to do as much

if you can give Pat time more time, you know, and yeah, I don't know, I don't know, but I think it

gives him options now with what they've done, definitely gives him a lot of options.

You know, baseball days tell you can never have enough pitching. Maybe the Chiefs dig, hey,

you can never have enough tackles with how these, these super balls, specifically the Tampa one

win and the tackles blowing up that season. And now as you mentioned, they see my homes coming off

an injury, coming off an ACL, potentially having to adapt his playing style, you can never have

enough healthy guys. Maybe this speaks to what they think about Josh Simmons as well with him

missing the time with the personal issue and him not being available. You know, this maybe

this shows that they're just not, they're just not fully confident in what they have. Chris and

Darryl, what you think? Well, I've been telling you, I'm sorry, I look up and telling you that, you

know, for me, I know it's 37, but man, I move the heaven earth. If they can't figure out something

to send for Cisco and they cut them or whatever, because I don't think he has anymore guaranteed

money left for man, I'm figuring out a way, in fact, to restrict the Christian, I got to get

Trent Williams here, man, because he still wants, he wants to want to, he should be tired of losing

the Super Bowl to lose their two Kansas City. Why not try winning one in Kansas City? And look,

and it's not that I have anything against Simmons or Kings or anybody, I'm just, I'm old school.

If you're going to invest a half a billion dollars in a pack of my homes, why would you try to

protect them with a rookie? Well, first of all, you need, you need somebody that is going to

protect the churches, ties and offerings. And I need somebody that is mean and evil that will,

that will, that will just, you know, take somebody's manhood of me, be, you know, in Trent Williams.

And so that's it. That's it. That's what I need. That's what I need to protect your

pets in my homes. So that's just, that's what I feel about it. Go ahead, Chris.

I think it's interesting. I'm very surprised to hear them attached to so many tackle names.

And I will say, you know, the person that's been recording or not reporting not here, but Jason

Locke on for specifically, I don't think has a lot of chief sources. So that's an interesting one.

But it's just interesting that they're looking at both right and left. And people keep saying

Trent Williams. And if he's released, chiefs can make the moves happen. I mean, I've talked about

this on on locked on chief show. They have moves that they can still do. They can still do stuff with

Chris Jones. He's got a roster bonus. Do I think tomorrow of $16 million so they could do

something with that. But he's also got a big salary. So they could adjust that. They could

adjust Trace Smith. They could adjust George Harlow, just they could adjust Creed Humphrey. They

have the ability to make more cap room. And it's interesting because you sit here and you look at

all these moves and we still don't know what they're actually costing the chiefs in 2026 to begin

with. So, you know, you look at it and, you know, you heard, Tom got a deal for what seven million

years. It's going to cost the chiefs like 3.2 in the cap in 26. If they do that with all their

with all their drafts or with all their signings, I mean, you could still have some salary cap space

to use. And it doesn't take that much to free up more space if Williams wants to chase, you know,

Super Bowl and Kansas City. And we haven't even talked about a name that Chris Jones, you know,

kind of echoed what I said on the show last week or so about a certain defense event out of

New Orleans or whatever that, you know, that he wants to add to the team as well.

Well, we can continue tossing around some names. We got one more segment for the week on the

other side. You're listening to the chief squad show here on the Lockdown podcast network.

Final segment for the week. We are back, Aaron Ladd, JC Pearson, Chris Clark and Darren Smith,

handling some break news, Marie DiMarcato joining the Kansas City Chiefs backfield as well

Qadir Kuhu. I'm going to get these names right. I promise eventually. I know he missed all of

last season rehabbing a torn ACL, I believe it was, but comes over from Miami and seems to be a depth

piece for Kansas City and the defense of backroom. I know he primarily is a nickel corner.

Am I correct on that Chris? Yeah, it's cater co. Cater cater. I actually had to look it up for

for the Lockdown Chiefs show. So it is cater co. Cater co is a can see chief. I don't know if

that impacts what they do at nine. And this is going to be a continually evolving talk that we

have about this ninth pick. We thought it was going to be a running back for a little while. KC

takes care of that in free agency. Maybe it was going to be a cornerback after Trent McDuffie goes,

but maybe that's a little too high considering what the value is. Now maybe it's potentially

a tackle as we see Kansas City eyes a tackle. As we continue that tackle conversation or wherever

y'all want to go with this cam Jordan or whatever. I do think it's worth noting that KC hasn't really

made a major investment at the tackle position. I mean, Jalen Moore is on the back end of his deal

that he signed. And Josh Simmons is still on a rookie deal. Lonnie Moore is still on a rookie deal.

So technically, if you really want to make that investment and protect your church's ties in

as Darren would say, the room is there as you mentioned with the cat flexibility Chris and then

you haven't really invested in that. So one thing I will say based on what they've done, they

haven't really done anything that other than getting a walker. I don't think they've done anything

that would really take them from not taking another position at nine. Like Walker obviously takes

love out of the picture. I get that. But other than that, I mean, Gilman getting at it doesn't change

whether or not they could look at Caleb Downs. Togger is not going to change them, but they're going

to be looking at nine. You know, Kohu and Dima Kodder aren't going to change anything that they're

going to be looking at at nine. So, you know, even if they went out and got a camera Jordan,

or the only thing that they could possibly do that, I guess the guy is still sitting out there,

Walker, the tackle from the freeway packers if they went and signed him to a deal. But I don't

think they're going to do that. So I don't think that anything that they're going to do in

free agency going forward is going to change what they do at nine. It's just they're going to have

somebody more competition and more depth trying to add things, trying to add other things.

I think the defensive back, the Kodder or whatever, however he says name, I mean, he's coming off

an ACL playing defensive back. I mean, you don't know what you're getting. You don't miss all the

last season anyway. I'm sure they did their physicals and he's helpful, but until you get out

there, right? And playing, you know, with an ACL that, you know, things changed. Trust me,

you know, I had an Achilles and yeah, I was healthy past the physical and everything,

but it ain't the same. So, you know, I wouldn't think that, you know, bringing him in was giving him

a position. That's for sure. All right, Darren, what's your face level at in Josh Simmons?

I mean, they just spent a first round pick on him last season. You would think that that's the

investment that it takes. I don't know, I'm going to be in a guy who's going to be in there to

protect Patrick Mahomes, but with all this smoke, there's got to be some kind of fire somewhere.

Look, I'm a big reporter of availability, you know, being your, you know, being your, you know,

I mean, and to me, I know the team later excused, but, you know, being gone a whole month,

you know, saying, family issues are not or precious is not. You still abandon the team during,

you know, during a tough time where they could have, where they could have used your services.

So, again, it's for me, it's not anything personal with Simmons. It's just more so of the other

perception of you keep, you keep trying to find a left-handed, I get it, you're trying to find

for the future, so to speak, but there's not too many joe alts in the, you know, in the, in the

drafts or whatever each and every year where you can, you know, where you have to kind of be in

that position to draft someone like that to where as a chief, where you're trying to be at every

year around 30, 31, 32, you're going to have to pay for a left tackle. I mean, you're going to have

to give them some first or whatever for, you know, for that premium attempt because you're not going

to be as bad as you are now, but you're not, but you're not going to get to that two and 15,

three and a three and 14 safe where you can possibly get a left tackle or, or, or another premium

position like that. So for me, again, it's not, it's not anything against personal against Simmons,

because, you know, because hell, I was saying the same thing against Kingsley last year where

even my home's like, you know, got to get Kingsley and, and why, and why, yeah, at a left tackle

position where they had to go get Johnson out of Arizona, I think, I think he might have been

what kind of way they had to go get him some Arizona to bring him in and then, you know, for whatever

reason as the playoffs started, they, you know, they didn't play him and they ended up having

a junior left tackle. So again, that's why I say for that position, and I don't know how

you care about that. I'm talking about the left side. You've got to invest, you got to invest

some serious money into that position. And I don't care how old Trent Williams is. He's still

top one, top two in the NFL, you know, when it comes, when it comes to that position.

Really quick, somebody throughout the, it's Simmons isn't on the Dept chart, neither is Patrick

Mahomes, neither is Richie Rice. It's, it's all based on, no, I'm just saying it's all based on

the fact that they were on injured reserve theme of the year. That's why they're not on the Dept chart.

Sometimes people get worked up over the silliest things, man. It's like, yo, it's the off season,

things are going all weird with the website. That does not mean that the chief cut Josh Simmons,

like the website is down, but the chiefs are no longer in Kansas City now. It's sight maintenance.

I like the moves they made. I have no idea what they're going to do at nine. I'll stand firm on

what I said last, last episode. This just kind of feels like a trade back and acquire more

pieces for Kansas City. I don't, you know what one is going to be? We don't know what any of the

other picks are going to be ahead of them outside of that pick. Kansas City is in a position where

they have a lot of holes and draft capital is a way that you can acquire players that you believe in

and have them under team control for a long amount of time. It just feels like with that two

picks that they have in the first, they can kind of package those and move around and acquire some more.

I just want to say I would say if I'm there, if Baines there, they take him. I don't think

there's any question in that watching his workout and watching him bend. I'm not worried about

the short arms, but the other thing on that is if they're going to move back, losing back at 29,

makes way more sense, especially if Simpson drops as a QB because then somebody is going to be

wanting to move up for that fifth year option. The problem with moving back at 9 is sure you

maybe you can, but you don't have the top blue chip prospects this year that you normally would

have in the top 10 and that's not going to be somebody's probably not going to be willing to

overpay to come to 9. And if you trade, if you trade down, you know, hopefully you're getting,

you're getting some, oh, you know, I would at least, if I could swap someone for a 2027

a first round, you know, you have a better chance, but you could probably do something with that

because obviously the criminal crop is going to be coming on next year, most of them be quarterbacks,

but there is that one where I receive right out of Ohio state that if you can luck up and

and get him, that will, you know, that will be perfect, but I don't think they would be in a

position for that. But to be quite honest, the Chiefs, no matter how they plan to draft out,

they have to have the similar type of hits that they had in 2022. I posted yesterday

that you can say what you want about Brett Vick and his draft history and some of the

some of the music made. 2022 was a slam dunk out of ball grass slam home round to where

everyone of the drafts, everyone of draft picks with the exception of, uh,

Brazil, uh, uh, Naze Johnson, because we just don't know if he's coming back or not.

They've accumulated $350 million for the contracts. And so, I mean, that's what you want for a draft

class, which, you know, as Chris talked about last last week, a lot of these players, they just

couldn't afford to bring back, you know, so, I mean, but $350 million, that's what you,

that's what you hope he's able to strike go once again in this, this upcoming draft. And if,

and if you can do that, getting these players on these rookie deals, mixing with the, you know,

the players that he's got in, players that he's bringing back and stuff, then, you know,

we can possibly look at that run, that run back to LA again. But JC, you didn't like Desmond Bain.

You thought the arm size wasn't long enough. You don't like that? Uh, you know, when you,

you know, if you're going by numbers and all that, I mean, what I think there's only been one guy

with arms, that length, um, or shorter, that is, you know, done anything in the last what,

20 years or been a first round pick. What, what is it, Chris? Um, you know, and it, yeah, I mean,

it, it matters. It really does. And I talked to a, um, a chief scout, you know, pretty high up guy,

and he didn't like him because of the arms either. Now, whether that matters will remains to be seen,

but, um, voice the same concern. Like, you know, I wouldn't take a guy with arms that short, um,

you know, and I know the only other guy that had success with arms that length, um, was Dwight Freeney.

It's been a long time and kind of the same type guy, same type build and Freeney had a great career.

You know, it's not saying that that Bane won't, but it's a gamble. And it's a risk. And do you take that

risk at nine, right? So, let me just, I'm just curious because I don't, we kind of messed with Chris

about this. If you're, if, if you're Bane, are you saying, look at my video tape, you know,

look at my game table, see what I do. Absolutely. But look at who he's playing against also. Yeah,

he played against whoever Virginia Tech and, uh, you know, do all, whoever he played against,

he's not playing against NFL players every week, every week and every now. Now he's going to

want to get NFL players every game every now, huh? Well, technically, technically, nobody in college

is saying he gets in a play. Exactly. Exactly. So I'm saying, no, you can't just look at his tape

and overlook. Oh, his arm length. Oh, well, look what he did. You know, look at his college

tapes, you know, but overlook his, no, he's not playing against the caliber of players that he's

going to be playing against day in and day out. So, you know, that, that's what I mean by that.

I know what I'm about to say is going to set you all off, but I'll say it anyway.

Somebody posted earlier that they wouldn't play Bane because Spags like what he likes. Spags

likes what he likes and he plays Tremick Duffy and Tremick Duffy didn't fit what Spags normally

goes for in corners. Just saying, they will go against it at times.

I'm going to say it all the same. And that's because of that's because of his height.

Right. He didn't have, he didn't have arm length either. Because yeah. So lots of different things

he gets my coffee that didn't work out. He just signed this guy Cater. And he's shorter than my

Guffin. Well, but they signed into play slot CB. That's what that's what he's there for. Like,

and they're not giving him $35 million, which is what Bane's going to get, which is what the ninth pick

would get. Like, my point is like, they don't necessarily, they do have a type. They go with the

guys that they like it. They're specific types with arm length is one of their big things with CB's.

That's generally what they go for in McDuffee's case. They didn't go for that. And they got a

really good player that played in Kansas City and just got a $100 million guarantee contract.

Right. But arm length as a defensive lineman is much more important than as a defensive

back. Because you're coming off the ball with your extending your arms as a defensive lineman

every down, every single down, every single down, whereas the defensive back, you're not,

you know, it's going to help you know, when we're going for the ball or maybe impress coverage,

that kind of stuff. But, you know, it's, it's much more, much more important as a defensive lineman.

I want to ask a quick question for me. I don't get it. But, but, but would you all be

amenable if, if, because Chris Jones mentioned it, would you all be amenable if the cheese

brought in cam cam Jordan? How long are his arms?

That's the perfect way to end this episode. We'll talk to him Jordan on the other side.

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