CHIEFS SQUAD SHOW: What Kansas City's Quarterback TRADE Says About Patrick Mahomes' RETURN to Play

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A couple of things happen while we were away.

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While we were away, a couple of moves, let's see where y'all want to start out of these

three.

Drew Trinkel restructures his deal and is back in the kingdom after some thought that he

might be a cap casualty.

He restructures, he's back and I saw on the daily show y'all talking about how that move

opened up some room for some other signings so that's something we could talk about in

this first segment.

Hollywood Brown has found a new home.

I believe he's a Philadelphia Eagle now on a one-year deal, one-year basis.

That doesn't look like that entertains or moves Ryan Tracy very much and then the details

behind Travis Kelsey's deal, which we talked about for a very long time on his platform.

What would it look like, how he structures it, how is Kansas City going to pay one of

their franchise legends?

Stop me if I'm wrong here, but Travis Kelsey's deal is $3 million, $3 million cap hit for

this upcoming season.

Does that sound right, Ryan?

Yes.

A lot of incentives there, so I'm expecting you to hit some of those, but yeah.

Well how about you jump us off here, this weekend recap if you will, Trinkel, Hollywood

Brown, Kelsey, I'm sure I missed somebody else in there.

What's the most noteworthy of that bunch for you?

I think there's kind of a camaraderie that I think goes beyond what we've seen the last

season, which has been difficult.

Let's be honest, I think for the players more so than anybody, but to see Trinkel take

a reduction so he can get something done, I think that's the step forward to see Kelsey

come back on an incentive-based contract to be honest.

I haven't seen the structure yet.

I don't know if there's void years or whatever, but it's all coming back to try to put it

back together, right, Snake?

One more run at it for two guys that are obviously at the older end of the spectrum.

I think that's all positive sign.

I think that robs off on something that new guys coming in, that it is everything that

you want it to be in terms of a group mentality.

We can't win without each other that kind of thing.

So I took it as a positive, as far as Hollywood say, I hope that it pans out that he grows

you a comp pick, but other than that, I mean that's non-cheaf news.

I don't think there's a whole lot of impact.

And I believe speaking of comp picks, the Gardner-Menshu move might come with a comp pick as well

for Kansas City potentially on how that works out.

Look, I think the Hollywood Brown thing, before we toss it over to Darren and JC, it just

accentuates what we've talked about.

KC has to add another wide receiver and somebody in that room that they can rely on, and

my home can rely on coming off this injury.

I know Hollywood Brown wasn't the most reliable guy in the world, and maybe there were some,

I don't want to say buyers or morphs, but maybe some things left to be desired from what

his time was here in KC.

I'm leaving now, just kind of puts that underlying and the exclamation point on, they still need

to add maybe one or two more pieces in that room.

Do you agree or disagree, Darren?

Well, no, I agree.

I mean, I've been standing up for the long because I mean, I know one while I was here that

they're going to add, they don't share the questions, whether or not they're going to

get, I mean, you said one or two, I mean, I don't need, I don't need, do you want jinnings?

No, no, no, no, no, no, but to your point, I mean, I don't know if it's buyers or not,

and more than when it comes to Hollywood, it was just that how the first season turned

out, and then of course, I think he was handed literally just like Worre, he was the

enter first, playing the preseason game against Jacksonville, and I can't remember if he

took a hit or just when he fell on the shoulder, but he didn't come back, of course, close to

the postseason time, and so you didn't get a chance to see what these Y-receives could

do together, if healthy.

And so going into the last season,

I understand why they brought them back and how,

but things just didn't plan the way that we thought it would.

But, you know, and you talk about gardening issues

with one mass trash, it's another mass treasure.

So the cheese might be able to get something

off of that when it comes to the comp pick.

But, I mean, all in all, look, I've been on record,

man, I think that if they were willing to take part

in what I don't think they are, but if they would,

I would try to give up to turn to nine pick

to go get Marvin Harrison Jr. out of Arizona.

You know, people keep saying, you know,

he hasn't been good in Arizona.

Look, he was throwing him the football.

And he caught him where he was more concerned

about trying to have explosive plays on the ground

and stuff versus getting your number one weapon,

you're number one while receiving it,

because that's what he was about to be the football.

You know, you give him a quarterback

that would throw him the football, he will excel at it.

I mean, Ohio State don't, you know,

Ohio State print out while receiving it's like the money,

you know, with the federal government.

So, I know that that's a good while receiving.

I know that someone that would excel in any office

and help Patrick Mahomes when he gets back.

Couldn't hurt making a call,

but why would Monty Austin for let him go?

I mean, that's not what we do around, right?

No, that's that.

I mean, again, you take, you make the phone call,

I take the phone call, I don't think a deal

will get done as I said, but at least that would be

somebody that I would look to go after.

Now, who, I mean, there are, and I think,

I don't know, we're gonna have on this show,

the next show, a list of the free agents that are still out there

that are still available,

because I know there's a lot of top, top names that are out there

that probably not gonna give us much money.

I can work on that.

I can work on that for you.

For Hollywood Brown, it was a one-year,

$6.5 million deal with Philly,

and here are the numbers,

according to Albert Breer from Travis Kelsey's

one-year, $12 million deal.

It's got a $3 million base with nine million coming.

And roster bonuses, they're using a post-June one rule

to spread it out amongst the cap for what that means,

and then $3 million in playtime slash playoff incentive.

So it sounds like he really wanted to come back,

which, you know, J.C., you didn't believe

that he was coming back in this whole time,

I kept telling you that like, you know,

Travis Kelsey wants to be here,

and they need him this year, you know that.

I'm telling you.

Yeah, yeah, I don't remember that.

Yeah, St. Patrick's Day,

he's had too much to drink, obviously.

Yeah, but I think I was the only one to say

that he would be back here, but okay.

No, I said he was coming back, and he's out there.

Yeah, but, you know, I mean,

the same with this gonna happen with Tyrick, you know,

they're gonna work that same type of incentive based deal,

right?

We're saying his name now.

Yeah, why not?

You know, it's out there in the media,

other people are saying it,

and, you know, I think that's gonna happen,

but, you know, I was a little surprised

with the tranquil deal that, you know,

he took that big of a pay cut,

even though three million is guaranteed,

but I think he probably, you know,

had some reservations asked to,

if he was gonna get in the open market.

You know, I don't know, but good deal for both sides.

If he's willing to take less money, then fine.

You know, I mean, he's still serviceable,

and three million dollars or three and a half million

is not a lot of money.

When you look at, you know, the overall cap number.

So I think that worked out well, you know, again,

they're gonna have to go get a receiver,

and now it looks like, you know,

with all the other moves that they're making,

you know, it looks like, in order to,

they have to get a playmaker or two.

And, you know, it looks like maybe,

if somebody's there in the draft, they're gonna do that,

but, you know, I'd say draft a young guy,

and bring in a veteran at the same time,

but they're gonna have to get some playmaking ability out there.

And then, and on the defensive side as well.

I mean, still, even though they plug some holes,

they still need some, some playmakers on that defense.

And Eric, just to just go,

I know you had the little thing earlier

where somebody said, A.J. Brown is my,

the reason why I keep going my Marvin Harrison,

and I can't, I don't know where Brian Thompson's country is,

he's on a rookie deal.

A.J. Brown is on a max type of deal.

That's why you go after,

that's why you go after Marvin Harrison,

because he still has two years left

on his rookie deal plus the fifther options.

Let's do the math.

So that's the reason why I would go after him.

And plus, you know, he gets his talent legit,

because it's father's the hall of fame,

or he's pretty good.

And he was, he was, he was considered the best

while receiver to come out of,

to come out of Ohio State since Chris Carter

until, of course, Jeremiah Smith is there now, so.

What about Jackson Smith and Jigba?

I'm saying, well, we can't get him.

So it's a big difference.

Here are the Drew Tranquil numbers from Mike Garafolo.

He renegotiated the final year of his deal,

comes down from $6 million to $3.5 million,

$3 million fully guaranteed that trims

his cap number by $2.5 million.

I don't really know how many guys would do that,

to be completely honest with you.

I know a lot of players that would say,

you know what, I got my ring,

I had a great time here in the kingdom,

y'all are entering a different phase.

I let me go and let me seek my money somewhere else.

I don't know too many guys that would have said,

you know what, I want to stay here.

I want to be part of what's next.

I think this really does speak to what Drew is trying

to accomplish to your still here in the kingdom.

Y'all agree or disagree?

I agree.

No, but that's the whole thing that,

that's the whole thing I was telling you about a few weeks ago.

The cheese will let you go out, see what the market bears for you.

If it's not what you want, you know,

you can come back and take their offer,

but now the chiefs know that that's,

that you can't get into now,

they can undercut their own offer and say,

you take this to leave it.

And that's essentially what happens.

Yeah, and where else he's gonna, I'm sorry, Ryan,

but where else he's gonna get more money?

You know, he's at the end of his career

and now you're offered a guarantee $3 million.

You got to take it, you know,

it's a big pay cut, but you know,

you may end up with nothing.

If you, at this point, if you bet on yourself,

you sign, you may sign another deal,

but the guarantee money's not gonna be there.

So, you know, you take what you can get at this point.

That's where I was going to.

It's about the guarantee, right?

Taking a chance outside the organization.

That's one thing.

Taking a reduced salary, you know, is guaranteed

and you got a chance to play with the homes

and a chance for another championship run.

I mean, it's a pretty no brainer for me

if you're a guy at that position.

Then we think about it, Aaron.

I mean, there was really, as they all said,

what are the options you have?

Cause they could have just cut them

and then they were going to save money on the cap.

And then you go out there,

you don't see nothing.

Now you can really low ball them,

you know, less than a $3 million.

And I, like, I ain't gonna lie to them.

No, I just can guarantee you the $4.3 and a half,

you know, I don't know what the half of that is.

At that point, huh?

Yeah.

It's that downside to 30 thing, right?

And you got to take it and get it at that point.

Yeah, yeah.

The chief still has some holes to fill on defense.

And later in the show, we'll talk about potentially

if they go the free agent route

or the draft route through that.

But to me, Drew Trinkel is of all these moves.

Obviously Travis Kelsey is important

to what they do on offense, leading receiver last year.

But I don't want to say Drew Trinkel is as important,

but they're entering a different phase.

You know, they need to have some of these

transitionary times.

Maybe they draft a linebacker since Leo's gone,

a draft a linebacker who can learn

under some of these veteran guys

towards the end of their career.

They can make some of that transition in the years.

You know, we're talking about sustaining a dynasty here.

You got to lay up a secession plan, if you will.

I don't know what's going to come in that.

I think linebackers on the table,

I also think that they like Cooper McDonald

the whole lot more than we know by a couple of things

that they gave way last season.

So I think they may see, especially in a Sam Roll guy

that can come off the edge or be that overhang fast pressure.

I think they think McDonald can fill part of that role.

It's about the two backer sets

that I think they're most concerned.

Andrew is still a playmaker to me.

He does make plays.

So I'm not trusting him in past coverage,

but he does make some big plays.

And you know, post game, hey,

we're what you have to say about today's game.

You'll talk to you.

That's what you should do.

He should go run his list by you

before he makes any of the changes.

Like, you know, Darren, these guys,

these guys, he's like, he loves three Super Bowls.

I mean, he listens to the show.

He's not a criteria programmer.

He, I mean, I don't know, I don't know.

If you said, did you just say he watched the show?

Cause he wouldn't got some random back from me.

And he listens to you.

And I know, I said he listens to the show.

I don't know if he listens to me directly.

Well, I know he doesn't, but you said that before.

But hey, we, we just let it go.

I don't, I'm sorry.

If you go say that, I would meet you.

Thank you.

I appreciate the commenters having my back here

on the sheet.

Nice of the host.

Let's take our first time out here.

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podcast network, Aaron Ladd, JC Pearson, Darren Smith,

and Ryan Tracy.

Here is the meat of our episode as the chiefs trade for New York

Jets quarterback Justin Fields on Monday, I believe it was.

It was this week for sure.

They're swapping a six-throw pick in 2027 draft.

And in return, the Jets are absorbing $7 million.

I'm doing this off the top of my head.

Yeah, that's right for my heart.

They're absorbing $7 million of the $10 million that he is owed.

So I'll start it off on this because I know a few weeks back

we had talked about Anthony Richardson,

I mentioned some other names.

I know Russell Wilson came up.

We were just talking about who would be kind of this fill in

while my homes is still getting right.

Who's going to be the guy to take the first team?

Raps, Gardner Mentsch, you went to Denver.

So who's going to be the guy?

I think Fields kind of molds the gap up.

You wanted a low value investment.

You wanted somebody that you weren't going to spend

too much money on acquiring or too much draft capital on acquiring.

You wanted somebody who had some experience,

which Justin Fields has.

I know he was only two in seven, I believe, last year

as the starter for the New York Jets,

but he's shown flashes when he has played

and been surrounded by talent.

I think back to some of his time in Chicago,

as well as New York when he's had strong starts.

And he read as known as a quarterback whisperer

and a guy who likes reclamation projects.

I mentioned this, we were talking about Anthony Richardson.

Like Andy Reed is known to put his arm around guys

who have kind of been downtrodden in the league

or have had their best day.

Give them the support of a good system

and a strong foundation around them

and get the best out of them.

I expect Justin Fields to take all the first team reps

in St. Joe.

I don't know necessarily what that looks like for preseason,

but I would not be shocked at all

if he's first out the gate week one as well

if Patrick and Holmes is not ready to go.

I know that's a big if, and I'll let y'all go from there,

but I would give two thumbs up

on the Justin Fields acquisition.

Yeah, I mean, I think it was a great move.

You know, that name had never come up, you know,

we didn't think, but yeah, I mean,

even after Patrick is healthy and the starter,

there's a package that you can use just in Fields in

because he's still a capable thrower.

He can run the ball, you know, Pat doesn't,

we don't do any quarterback sneaks anymore.

Fourth and one after Pat got hurt with his knee,

Justin Fields can run that package

and still throw the ball out of it, you know,

so it's not, you know, he's not, you know, just all run.

You know, I mean, and like you said, you know,

he's been in so many, he's been in a different system.

So to speak, every year of his career,

this is, you know, to come here and be tutored by Andy

and not have all the pressure that he's had on him

every year to be the man.

I mean, it's, I think it's a win-win situation

for him and the Chiefs and another great move

by Brett Veach.

I think that was a good pick up.

But I can't say anymore.

So for Justin Fields, for a lot of the reason

that you talked about JC, the thing is, you know,

he's coming in, he didn't have that pressure that he had

when he was, you know, signed with Pittsburgh

and signed with, because he did have some good games

up in Pittsburgh.

I don't know, you kind of forgot that Aaron,

but then also in New York.

But, you know, look, I will say this, and I said it a lot.

I'm not going to, I'm not going to shy away from it.

One reason why I know he was happy to come to Kansas City,

because there's a, there's a different

offensive coordinator here that's not here

that was here before, that was his head coach

and, you know, the head coach.

You just can't help yourself sometimes, man.

I ain't no name, no names.

I ain't no names.

I'm just saying that had that, had that offensive coordinator

been here, he wouldn't want to come,

because he felt like, you know,

he kind of messed him up in Chicago.

That's just, you know, come on now.

You know, we talked to people.

So, but I didn't know about, I thought the teams meant to do.

Hey, he can, you know what?

And he can also fill the physical too.

Let's keep that in mind.

So I know that there were, supposedly,

there were a number of teams that were interested in him.

And he wanted, he chose to come to Kansas City.

Yeah, he chose Kansas City.

So, yeah, yeah.

So, again, he chose Kansas City for a reason.

But going, but going back to what I was saying,

you know, being, being able to be in the quarterback,

when we're Patrick, being able to learn,

you know, how to play the position

and learn how to play quarterback under Andy Reen.

And you got, you got an offensive coordinator

who was going to design and draw some,

and help put them in position to excel in Eric Bianne me.

I think this is a win-win for not only him,

but also for Kansas City.

If by some, by some, you know,

God's grace and mercy that Patrick Mahomes

is not rated by weak one,

I think that just the field will be able to run the offense.

He does have a strong arm, so he can get the ball

down the field and, you know, and he can actually,

he can actually play quarterback and remember,

this is the best talent that he has has

since he was at Ohio State.

So, you know, let's, you know,

never what it's worth, but the talent that he's had

in his NFL career has not been what he's going to have here

in Kansas City that he had.

He had better talent in college than he had so far in NFL.

Come on, man.

I'm sorry.

I like it.

That's awesome.

Come on now.

Stop here.

Listen to that.

You all separate.

Right.

I like it from a tactical standpoint,

one that is strategic one.

I don't think Justin Fields is going to resurrect his career

as a backup to Patrick Mahomes even be gets.

To start a quarter of the season or something,

but this is what I really like about it.

Whether Patrick starts or not,

or whether Patrick, at some point in the future,

has another ankle or something that prevents him from starting.

What happens in a game when Patrick goes down

is the offense has to shift and what have we seen

throughout history?

Oh, no.

What are we going to do all of our backup quarterbacks

are ancient because they've gone with the old,

learned man back up to help Patrick,

where they're a different style of quarterback.

Not even mobile, just not dynamic, right?

Chad Henning made me cringe whenever he got broke the pocket.

You know, like I don't want him to get paralyzed out there.

So, but I see tactically that now it's not just trying

to run the E-offence and angry design.

Now you switch gears because of the legs in particular,

but not necessarily as a threat or just breaking the pocket,

but because it's something that the defense

didn't spend any time prepping for,

because they were prepping for Mahomes.

It's different style.

It's a different way of running the offense.

And I think that shift of gears,

should you need to use it pays off on the field,

maybe more than somebody that's more like Patrick

from a standing pocket deliver the ball?

Yeah, I, two parts of that that stand out to me.

One, I actually do think there could be packages.

And I know we had a commenter write in about this.

Use Justin Fields as a weapon in the run game.

Line him up there with Kenneth Walker.

Line him up there with Bashar and Smith

and send them two opposite ways.

Like, Justin Fields reminds me

and I might get killed for this, but whatever.

He reminds me of a, he reminds me of a smaller

Jalen Hertz in a way.

Just the ability and the ability to extend plays

and move around and be a runner.

The second part of this that I think that I want to push back

against what you said, Ryan, is you said

you're not expecting him to resurrect his career

in this system.

I think that's very much on the table

because of who's inside that room

and who's leading that room.

Patrick Mahomes is going to be the best quarterback

that Justin Fields has ever had beside him in his pro career.

And I'll read off the list right now.

And that's fine.

And let me clarify.

I'm not saying he won't learn or progress.

I'm saying, if Patrick's on his timetable return,

I don't know how much opportunity he's going to get.

This is my point.

Sure.

Yeah, but I don't want to get all the first season.

We know that.

I don't want to think about this.

Other quarterbacks who have spent one year

and this have gotten other kind of look at Gardner Mitch.

Gardner Mitch got hurt on his first play.

Didn't do anything here.

He got a six and a half million dollar deal.

Don't ask me how, don't ask me why.

The Carson Wentz kid, you know, saying,

can't Carson, can't, but Carson Wentz was here.

Hey, you know, Carson Wentz, you know, saying,

what's here and got a contract after one year of Kansas.

Chris O. Adok is about to get paid.

Oh, he's still on the team, I think.

No, he's not going to wait for it.

Not the original.

Would you have met any kids somewhere in the past?

No, I mean, it's, again, he's not expected to be a savior here.

And I don't think I don't think even Ryan is saying that.

I just think he just needs to progress.

Just he needs to not be able to trip over his own feet

during practices and while he's taking Kansas City

because what he just has to do is just learn,

learn to excel at the position.

And then when his number is called upon,

don't go into the game and don't make a lot of mistakes.

That's really all he has to do during this time here

in Kansas City this year.

Well, you know, we all know that he's got a lot of talent

and it came out with a lot of talent

and has started a lot of games in the NFL.

There's something to be said about that.

I think with him choosing to come to Kansas City, too,

is because he knows that he needs to learn

and be in a stable environment where the pressure

is not on him every week to go out.

And, you know, I think now he can take a breath.

He can learn from a guy that has coached a lot of quarterbacks

over the years and then play behind and learn

from one of the best in the league now.

And then take what he's learned because he's still a really young guy.

And hopefully that takes him and cares him to a long career.

But I think it was a smart move by him

and taking his ego out of it

and saying that I'm not going to be the starter.

But I'm going to learn, I'm going to be

and try to get better at my craft and learn from some people

and not just get thrown into the fire a week in and week out.

So I think it's going to help him.

Two things.

One, I think there's one reason why I was always,

you know, I've been asked about Colin Murray,

even though he would have been on a one and a half million dollar deal.

You don't bring a quarterback in who still thinks

that he's better than a quarterback that you have.

I mean, this goes all the way back to the high school days.

But I would also say the most important thing I think

that I think the most important thing for Justin Fields

and is that he, with him not being a starter,

he didn't have to deal with the mental part

of having to deal with the media.

And I say that because in Chicago and in New York,

you know, it was starting quarterback

and he's having a back in, he was getting beat.

I mean, and that New York, that New York media got through him

where he talked about, he was having some mental,

some mental health issues dealing with that.

So at least coming here, not having to deal with a media

that's, you know, as quote unquote, you know,

as hard as a New York media coming here,

being a backup and not having to worry about being out

in the forefront of the media every, you know,

every week or whatever, you know, based off your play

is something else that he's not going to have to deal with

that's going to help him a lot as well.

Because he'll be able to see how, how a quarterback

like Mahomes and at a high level interacts

and deals with the media, you know, stuff like that.

So that's something that he'll be able to take notes on.

The next time he gets a chance to be a starter,

someplace else.

Justin Fields in 2021, his quarterback room

consists of Andy Dalton and Nick Folls, 2022 Trevor Simeon

and Nathan Peterman, 2023 Tyson Bagen.

In Pittsburgh, he was with Russell Wilson

and then with the New York Jets last year,

he was with Tyrod Taylor and Brady Cook, M-I-Z,

Mizzou Legend Brady Cook.

My point is he's not going, we can see the best

from Justin Fields in this situation.

When you think about who's with him in that quarterback room

and the stability of the organization around him as a whole.

I mean, I'm not going out on a limb and saying the Jets

aren't the best run ship in the NFL alongside Pittsburgh

and what they've been the last couple of years.

And then Chicago, what it was when he first got there,

completely different story when you walk into Kansas City.

Yes, it's a rehabbing patch from Mahomes.

Yes, it's an older Travis Kelsey

and some of the pieces around him.

But he is set up now potentially to be in the best position

of organization and it would not surprise me

in any way, shape or form if we get the best version

of Justin Fields.

That's a limited sample size to start the season off

or potentially some special packages or what happens

or if Mahomes gets injured, I'm very high on this move.

Any final thoughts on Justin Fields before we hit the break?

And I'll say this, he is coming to an organization

that's actually going to wrap their arms around him.

You're not going to have to worry about the owner

going into an owner's meeting, talking about how you wish

he didn't have this quarterback on his team

with starting form that much I can assure you.

And I'll say he was a financially feasible alternative

to what looks to be like an Anthony Richard situation

that is going to grow and corner a whole lot

but another similar reclamation project.

Final question on this.

One and a half starts over under for Justin Fields in 2027

or 2026.

I'm over.

I'm under one and a half starts regular season and playoffs.

Regular season, regular season and playoffs.

Yep.

I will say if Patrick doesn't start week one,

he starts and he starts week 18 when the Chiefs of Art

have been being locked up to play off of this.

I like that.

That was a good answer.

Let's hit our break when we come back.

We'll talk the draft.

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Back in on the chief squad show here in the Lockdown podcast network.

Aaron Ladd, JC Pearson, Darren Smith and Ryan Tracy,

turning our eyes now to the upcoming NFL draft.

The chiefs have two selections in the first round and plenty of holes to fill.

Ryan, how about you get us kicked off on this?

As the team currently sits, re can we cap?

We got quarter back.

We got some things that are starting to come into view for Kansas City.

What's still fuzzy?

What's still money?

What moves still need to be made?

And it's a draft the right place to do it.

I think the draft is the right place for pretty much everything.

But I will say this, we can talk about the cornerback situation,

but there's still no alternative to George Coloctus and Ashland Jolotti

starting at edge right now.

You need more pressure than that.

I think with this group in particular,

with Chris Jones being the straw that stards everything,

you need to add more passage on both sides of him,

not just on the other opposite interior.

So as much as I am a Jolotti guy,

and I do think he has ceiling yet to find,

I want to bring in waves,

and I think they need to be able to rotate harder,

be able to move guys in and out.

And I think some young past rush is still job number one,

particularly at nine.

Questions be whether I have an actual option there or not,

but I do feel pretty good about the second and third to your past rushers

that will be available at 29, most likely.

So you're saying second and third tier at 29,

that means Ruben Bayne at number nine

is no longer in your board or your vision.

I've heard from several teams

that don't have him as a first round grade,

simply because of his arm length.

I think that's short-sighted.

The guy plays like his hair's on fire,

and that you can't get off the film, you know?

Will I cause him some problems with some long arm guys?

Yes, it definitely will,

but he plays with his hands so well that I think he can thwart

some punch and some reach that is out there.

But I do think because of that,

there are a couple of teams that might say,

we're gonna wait, and maybe he does make it tonight.

I would hope so, and I think the Chiefs

are probably gonna be very, very interested

if he does not and he's gone.

I do think you're gonna have an option for his teammate,

Messador, or TJ Parker,

who are my third and fourth ranked past rushers in this class,

possibly even at 29, but certainly when they get to around 20,

and Vich jumps up a little bit,

like he has in the past, I think that's on the table as well.

Talking draft here with our guys, KC has two picks

in the first round, the Rubin Bayon thing.

I still want to hammer on this because the team is like

feeding into this, they're tweeting out the highlights of him

and then talking about how high JC,

you were out on hand size or arm size.

Are you back in on Bayon now and Ryan,

do you kind of think that KC is in the market

where we don't care what the measureables are?

We'll take whatever.

No, I don't think you can ever be, especially at nine.

Towards the end of the round, just at 29,

even though he won't be there, but at nine, you got it.

You can't miss.

You got to have a surefire playmaker at number nine.

And no disrespect to the kid or anything,

but I read somewhere that it's been since 1999

that a guy with his arm length

has had double digit sacks in the NFL.

So, I mean, there's something to that, you know?

And, you know, yeah, he plays hard,

he's explosive, didn't run a 40.

So, you know, I know there's some questions about

his explosiveness.

Also, film is one thing, but, you know,

you combine that with the short arms.

I don't know if you take that chance

because if it doesn't work, you know, and again,

you need a bonafide playmaker superstar there.

And in college, what do you have last year,

nine and a half sacks, you know,

and I would think if he had nine and a half sacks, you know,

in college in a season, you know,

it's gonna be a lot tougher next year, you know,

when he's playing against bigger, better, stronger,

longer guys every week and not playing, you know,

Duke and West Virginia and Maryland and, you know,

those guys, you know, right.

But I'm just saying, he did play the maximum amount of games

to considering his team went to the national champion.

Yeah, yeah, he had nine and a half sacks,

he was still on his nine and a half sacks.

But, you know, so, you know, again,

you know, that's why you pay your scouts what you pay him.

And, you know, they do their due diligence,

but I just think at number nine,

you gotta get a bonafide playmaker.

If not, if you don't think that he's that guy

or that guy is there, then trade down, you know,

a little bit because the further down in the round,

you go, you can take those risks and take those chances.

But at number nine, when's the last time we had a pick

that high, you gotta hit on that,

you gotta hit on that guy.

And when's the next time you expect to have it,

everything goes to plan, you gotta be picking up here

for a long time.

Right.

I agree with you in principle.

The problem is the two things that I'm concerned about

from what I'm hearing is nobody wants to trade up for nine

and find a partner's gonna be difficult.

And if you're out on them and that's perfectly fine,

generally, I follow those guidelines as well.

Maybe the whole league's on them.

Maybe it does fall to 29, then it's not a question, right?

But if he's there, who else do you think?

Do you go to a secondary position

that maybe doesn't have the value?

Like, Sonny Styles and the lead athlete at his position,

but they just brought back tranquil.

Can you really pick Sonny Styles at nine now too?

Cause I don't know that you have enough gap

or play time to give him.

That's the question is I don't know

what the alternatives are for the Chiefs.

And they may be outliers on this.

Maybe they can't get a trade back partner,

but they may have to stick and pick.

Yeah.

If there's a Sonny Styles there, yeah, you take him

because tranquil's on a one-year deal.

tranquil will be that backup guy at that point.

And Styles does so many other things.

He's a versatile guy, same with the safety.

Yes, Caleb Downs, he's such a versatile guy

and he's not going to be there nine either, but yeah.

But you get a guy like that

and that's what I mean by playmaker.

And you're going to know that he's on the field all the time

because those guys do multiple things too.

And that's the kind of guy that I would look for at nine.

Darren, what you think?

Offense or defense?

And look, Ryan, I was kind of talking about

a last week off air to where, you know,

Ryan mentioned how there's no other teams

that would trade up to number nine

with the Chiefs that would put him to trade down.

But the question is, is there a team

that the Chiefs could trade up with

that would want to trade down to number nine as well?

You know, I mean, could the Chiefs get Cleveland's pick

or could they do a swap and if there's somebody,

they Cleveland perhaps is not excited about it.

And they won, of course, get some additional picks as well.

Look, man, the way this team finished at 6 and 11,

man, I'm like, you know, you got to just rip it all.

Also, I'm not, you know, while I'm in agreement

that they definitely need to add some playmakers on defense

and JC now we're kind of texting about that before the show.

I'm still, you know, I'm still under the fact that

for me, I still need a wild receiver, man.

I'm just, you know, and you can say Debbie Downer,

but we still have improvement.

We got number one receiver than Richie Rice

and Xavier Worthy.

And while we still have them on their rookie deals,

this is, this is Rice's last year in Kansas City.

So I'm not even gonna try to make it sound like,

you know, we, you know, we're gonna beat around the bush.

It's gonna be the last year in Kansas City,

unless he just has, you know, an MVP type of year.

So if I'm Kansas City, I got to find a playmaker

on offense that I know is going to be around

for at least the next four or four years

that's gonna play at a high level.

Now, can that be a car notated?

If he falls that far, until right,

I don't think he's gonna get past six if Cleveland is there.

But there's also Jordan, there's also McKaylin.

I mean, so there are some playmakers in this,

in this draft that could fall to Kansas City offensively.

So I don't, I don't, I'm not gonna professional

with where they're gonna go, because Brett Reach

is always gonna do something.

He's always gonna do what's best.

So, but you asked me, I would go offense,

and I would try to find a while receiver to go,

to know what that, to go on the offense.

I like where you're going.

The problem is there's questions

about all three of those guys, right?

People question whether,

tell you who you're gonna be.

Let's question about everybody, you know,

and there's guys including those of, so.

Not this guy though, because this is where I'm going.

With the soft tissue issues for Jordan Tyson,

whatever the weirdness is with lemon,

like I don't think a podium should determine your draft stock,

but some teams are gonna knock him for it, right?

I think the really interesting one is to JC's point,

if they can trade down, they can get to 15 with the bucks,

or maybe Vett, Vichon and less already have a plan for 13,

and a swap, I don't know,

maybe they already talked about it,

but I think at some point you have to consider the fact

that Travis's last go round needs to find the next guy

to play that position.

Tyden is always important in the read offense.

Could you speak beyond the table at 15?

I think that's possible, but I might be a little rich.

A secession move, wow, I didn't know we did those in Kansas City.

Well, first night, well, you know,

they tried that already, but just didn't work out.

I mean, it's that a quarterback.

I got hurt, you know, and you never know,

and know a great, they gave him an opportunity, you know,

and it just didn't, it didn't game a lot of money too,

but that just didn't kind of work out.

But yeah, you know, Tyden, especially, you know,

you're talking about going to this, you know,

this heavy run type of offense, and the play action,

and all that, and man, they need weapons.

Tyden, obviously, or you go, you know, 12 personnel,

and yeah, that's it's definitely the bottom line

is there's so many ways that this team can go, right?

So many holes, so many different ways that, man,

I think everything is still open,

is still on the table at this point.

And that's why I'm less invested in the top pick,

and more so on how the players actually perform

once they get here.

And I mean, I give a lot of benefit of the doubt

to Brett Vich on what he's done in the past.

We talked so much about that 22 draft class

and how they were able to come in, fill the need,

win championships, and then move on to their next stops

and get the money elsewhere.

This should be a, this should be a run back of that,

you know, Casey has missed with some of their first

and second round picks, and yet we're still talking

about Dynasty 2.0, and you know, just being a couple plays

away and one score games, I'm more focused on it.

That's why I was team trade down for so long.

I'm like, look, give yourselves more opportunity

to get it right, you know, if you have already said

that the top of the draft isn't necessarily there,

you know, there's only so many players

with first round grades, then go ahead and feel like

you can trade back and get the value.

I know it's tough to hear when you're in a year,

when you have a top pick, and you're not a team

that's used to picking up that high,

but if you really trust your, your front office,

and then in turn, the player development

through the coaching staff, then give them

as many opportunities and as many cracks at

getting it right as possible.

I'm still standing firmly on that.

Well, that puts another position in play here as well,

even at nine, because the guy that has the biggest

question mark at quarterback is McCoy

with the ACL last year, right?

Could you spend, could this be another repeat

where there's three DBs in this class,

four DBs in this class, because you got ponds,

it looks like you might be available at 40,

and I'd sell just about anything to pick that kid up.

So like, there's a number of DBs that could fit

into this mold that maybe that's what it turns into.

Final thoughts on the draft before we transition

into the AFC West.

Good conversation here.

I would say our guy, Darren Smith, will be at Arrowhead

or he will be at the team facility on draft day

when everything goes down.

Playing our live show, we'll figure out the logistics.

We will be live.

I think the goal is to be live after the chief's first pick,

but if I have my wish, they probably won't be picking

in the first round.

Well, I don't think they give a both in the first round.

At all.

What?

All the who you go.

Yeah.

No, but I think, I mean, yeah, I, like I said,

they should go, they should go offense and, I mean,

because we do feel like they're going to get some,

they're going to take some defensive backs later on in the draft.

I don't know if it'll be at 29 or later rounds,

but yeah, somebody mentioned the offensive tackle.

I can't, you know, no, I can't do it.

I can't do it longer than the first round,

but again, especially after the semis last year.

Like, I know this, I saw a report.

I don't know how it came to be working for them.

It might have been ML football fall, I know for this.

So I don't take them.

It doesn't sound nice.

Yeah.

Yeah, about trim.

But if you draft a tackle at nine,

you have one to play when Simmons is inevitably out next year.

Yeah, but, but, but, but, but, but, but here's the thing.

And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,

I don't know, man, if there was, if there was a first round tackle

that could fall to the cheese,

they're going to be eight other teams above the cheese that would make sure

that the cheese don't get them.

That's just how it is.

It's not, I don't know.

There's enough talent at the top.

Maybe they get taken.

You might get in the situation where maybe styles goes, maybe downs goes,

and maybe that is the top grade on their board.

We'll each pull the trigger if he doesn't have a trade-back partner.

You might have to.

Let's take our final time out on the other side.

We talk a major move inside the AFC West.

You're listening to the Chief Squad Show here on the Lockdown Podcast Network.

Final segment here on a Chief Squad Show Tuesday.

We appreciate you making us part of your day, your week, your month,

Aaron Lad, JC Pearson, Darren Smith, and Ryan Tracy doing a little AFC West

roundup.

The biggest news from this Tuesday is a quote-unquote blockbuster trade.

I hate that term.

I can't remember the last time I actually saw a blockbuster trade.

I mean, Luca Donches getting traded to the Lakers is a blockbuster trade.

I don't know if anything else really reaches that level, but here we go.

Jalen Waddle being traded from the dolphins to the Broncos is a blockbuster trade

on this Tuesday.

The dolphins received diverse.

2026 first round pick.

It's 30th overall as well as a 2026 third and fourth,

while the Broncos get Waddle and a fourth round pick in this year's draft.

So a lot of swapping back and forth.

Waddle reunites with his teammate Patrick Surtain

and off the Broncos go trying to make some headway and capitalizing.

What was a very strong year this year?

Let's start on Waddle and then I got a couple of other moves around the division.

Does that scare you, JC?

That Jalen Waddle is now going to be seeing Kansas City twice a year?

Yeah, you know, when you look at their team and their reasoning behind it,

they gave up a lot for them.

But you do that when you think you're one or two players away.

They went to the AFC Championship.

If their quarterback doesn't get hurt, they're probably in the Super Bowl.

So yeah, I mean, you pair him with Cortland Sutton and I think

those are the moves that you make when you feel like you're right at the doorstep.

So yeah, it's going to be tough.

And you know, that puts even more pressure that the Chiefs have got to go on

and solidify that cornerback spot.

What are you laughing at now, man?

What happened?

Well, we're just going to ISO out.

Ryan is the leader now.

Ryan, what you got on Jalen Waddle?

Ryan, how'd you like Jalen Waddle, man?

I tell you what, I loved him coming out.

I thought he'd fit this offense in Kansas City really well.

And I will say this, it feels like a theme to me about kick cheese when they're down

because what's maybe the biggest question right now on the Chiefs defense?

It's nickel corner.

So no, no disrespect to Kohu, but he also cracked me.

If you've heard this before, he's coming off of an ACL tear last year.

So like, nickel is not the answer to nickel, folks.

I hate to tell you, for those of you who still holding on to that dream,

he should be in a robber role just like Tyron was.

I'm just saying.

I do think that nickel is still has to be addressed in the draft.

And I do think the Broncos did this as at least part and parcel,

how to attack the Chiefs if they feel sudden can get stopped by Fulton and Noel Williams in particular.

I think Noel showed him a little bit of something too.

So they're trying to attack on all levels.

And I think it's smart move with Broncos.

Chiefs just have to counter it with a nickel that can keep up.

Man, you know, I hate to say that Ryan was negative against the Chiefs.

Now, just now, look, let me, let me, let me say this for Fulton,

negativity.

When you folks out there, the Chiefs are going to win the Super Bowl this year.

They might even go 20 and 0.

So now that I got that out the way, I'm sorry, 19 and 0.

Because I guess, I guess they would get a fresh round by.

But I think that was a real smart move with them.

And one thing that I was texting, they see about when it happened is that,

I think and crying, crying for wrong,

they didn't make any moves this off season or during free agency,

except for just resigning their own players.

Am I correct on that?

Yes, I've got it.

They signed or tinder 13 of their 17 restricted and unrestricted free agents.

Right.

So and so what I was telling they see is what this is telling me is that,

is that Sean Payton is going in the end of the Hoosier route to where he just wants to

deal with veterans and players that are already established versus,

versus more and so much about the draft and stuff like that to where they're with their picks.

But I think he's comfortable enough with what he had.

Because they had one of the top defenses already in the end.

If I think they were top three in the NFL.

And so and and offensively, you know,

Sean Payton was very smart,

called great plays and put and he did not put his quarterback in position that he would end up

making, making mistakes and stuff like that.

So, you know, I think I saw the injury.

I think, you know, I think Payton did the smart thing, brought in the speedster,

somebody to go opposite of Portland, Sublin.

And I think you're running back position was already solidified.

So I mean, they didn't, they didn't have too many moves that they had to make this off season.

And especially because I think I think they got, you know,

they were through with the Russell Wilson dead cast up.

So it's not like they didn't have money to spend.

So they were this, this, this is a smart move by them.

And this is one of, as I told they say, I said,

now I gotta see how the chiefs are going to offset this.

Vegas is making some moves.

Obviously, the Max Crosby deal did not go through.

But Tyler Linderbaum's deal did go through 27 million dollars,

rocking them towards the top of money spent,

currently second overall to an 81 million.

They also have a new pairing at linebacker,

the Coby Dean, Quay Walker there.

Vegas, obviously has a new brain trust.

Potentially they'll have a new starting quarterback,

which we all think will happen.

Is anybody worried about the Las Vegas Raiders,

potentially stealing a game from the chiefs in 2026, 27?

No, I said they're going to go 19 and that.

So negative.

So negative.

Yeah, you're just negative, eh?

Yeah, we're doing a roundup of the division.

I'm trying to, I don't like the negativity from this show.

Man, stop it.

How badly are the chiefs going to beat the Raiders in 2026?

Like, you know, what are we doing?

Well, they're not going to,

now they're not going to skunk them now.

I'm going to give them a feel goal at least.

But, uh, uh, man, I, I don't,

I don't know, who's the head coach?

I don't know who the head coach was for the Raiders.

Yeah, I know that the guy from,

they just hired you from the center.

So, I mean, I gotta,

be honest, I gotta see how, you know,

how many of those are fits within his offense and,

and this, you know, because Ash and Jenty didn't do a whole lot that we,

that played, you know, that people thought he was going to do last year.

And I know I think they're shutting Brock Bowers down.

So, you know, I, I think they could have

some good skill set players.

But putting it all together is totally different too.

So I don't expect much from the Raiders this year.

Nothing, man.

Me.

I mean, I mean, the charges aren't impressive.

Are they're not impressive?

No, not the charge.

I mean, you got boy, one and a quarter back and he'll,

he'll fall on his face eventually.

The charges retained Calil Mac.

They lost, uh, away.

They brought in, um, new offensive coordinator, Mike McDaniel,

uh, Alec Ingle, Cole Strange, come over from Miami,

Keaton Mitchell, they're running back.

This is what bothers me.

McDaniel,

of running back tandem now,

with Mitchell that can hurt you, Hampton that can hurt you as long as these days,

I'll be, I think Harbaugh might actually get his run off and started.

So I do think that as again, something designed to attack a chief's weakness.

So they got to hope they don't get Tyreek.

That's, that's our competition.

Mike McDaniels.

So they don't get Tyreek.

You know, that's, you know,

let's go ahead and talk about that now.

We got a couple of minutes left in this.

We might as well, right?

Oh, oh, oh, get set.

Oh, now we can talk about it.

Oh, okay.

Oh, we can talk about it.

Mike McDaniels.

I, are we holding out hope for Tyreek Hills still in 2026?

I know holding out hope, but I think it, it would be a good move.

Just similar to this, you know, the, the DB,

they, they, they signed from Miami.

I mean, he's a young kid coming off an ACL, playing corner and nickel.

Come on, man, that, that's more of a, of a concern to me than a receiver coming off of an ACL.

Now, I know, I, I don't know the extent of his injury.

I know Tyreek's injury was a little more than that from,

and he's older, stand faster, more explosive.

So age doesn't, doesn't mean, doesn't mean anything.

If you can still run and put them up and down.

So, you know, I, I think a similar type of deal like Travis, you know,

where it's incentive based.

It's not going to hurt you if he, if he comes in and he doesn't,

you know, get back up this, but, you know, I mean,

a 75% Tyreek is, is good as what we have right now.

Especially the backups have to be.

I just don't know if it's going to get past that by the time the season rolls around.

Sorry. No, no, no, I was just going to say, I mean, the team is keeping his keeping tabs on his

update. I mean, he's here in Kansas City. He trains here. I mean, we're keeping tabs on it too.

That doesn't mean anything. No, no, no, no, no, we're talking about it, but I'm saying

they're actually keeping tabs on like, they're having conversations.

So, I mean, this, look, man, if he, if, if they want to offer him a lot of money to keep

him away from Kansas City, if I'm Tyreek, I'm taking it, you know, in the condition that I'm

in now, I'm taking it, but he also wants to win too. And he, and he also wants to be an office

that fits his, that fits the skill. That's not, you know, because I think Ryan has somebody

mentioned that, you know, Harba is going to be trying to, you know, run a run-based offense,

even with, even with Boy Wonder out there. So, I mean, he's out there, all they're going to do is

send him, you know, send him up north and have him come back. So, all he's going to be doing is

one of, is running win sprints in. And I'm not sure just how often he's, he's going to be able to

get the ball out there regardless. Look, if you all want to bring back a former chief wide

receiver, Mark West Valdez, Scotland is out there for the low. No, I'm good. Sky Moore is out

there for the low. Sky Moore is out there for the low. The Andre Hopkins is out there for the low.

Well, Deandra, I could bring him another better, but Sky Moore's already, he's in Green Bay,

man, you gotta do your homework. He's fine, I missed that. Yeah, man. Yeah, he's fine. Come on, man.

Come on, man. Now, now, now, now, now, now, now, I'm going to throw this out there because he did

get a release from Tennessee, Ryan, I, you know, do you bring back the Jerry's sneak if he's healthy?

That, that's the thing. The Jerry's is, it was in Tennessee because they knew he wasn't going to be

healthy. The people who had the most medical information on the Jerry's sneak or the people who chose

to let him go. So, no, I don't think so. I, the Jerry's was my guy. Like, I had him pre-draft going

into this team and I was ecstatic. I would like nothing better than a healthy, the Jerry's need to come

back, but I, I just don't think that's the future. I think that's over with, I think Casey knew what

time it was with his knees when they traded him the first time and they got the best deal they

could at that time. And then when they got it, he kind of inherited it. Aaron, there was the reason why,

you know, they, they put a transition tag on them, you know, where it's just, I mean, they,

they made sure he was going to get his money regardless. And then they found a suck at a trade

form. He got that guarantee money and they got a graphic out of it. And he, and he got a,

and he got a contract, you're sent just so, I mean, it worked out, it worked out exactly how

can the city wanted it. Did I see correctly? He played nine games in his time in Tennessee.

One of his nine games was, yeah, he might have, might have been, wasn't many.

Nope. Check it. If you're making me pick of the two, Tyree Kill and Legerius need,

I'll take Deandre Hopkins, please. Thank you very much.

He can't. I mean, I think Deandre Hopkins as well, but, you know, I mean, he said he wouldn't

utilize well in, in Baltimore, which again, goes to, depending on what you look like in, in,

in each teams, in each team's offense. Again, Tyree will look good and can't see the offense. He might

not look good in, in, in the Los Angeles. I don't think Deandre Hopkins is the answer.

He was here once. Yeah. And everywhere he's gone since has been a one-year deal and he's not really

made an impact, though, or the impact that people thought that he would make. I don't, I see that

ship passing. I agree. I don't think Deandre is the answer here at this point.

If you had to pick one of the three, I mean, Tyree is the only one that, last time he was in town,

it worked. Everybody else has either been hurt or passed on everywhere else. So it's three if he

choices, yes, me. And the reason why I'm saying that, and on that Tyree bandwagon is just,

obviously, the contract has to be right, right? You know, I mean, and I think that he would agree

to something like that, where it's a incentive-based contract, prove it, where you don't have

anything, anything to lose, taking a shot, and everything to gain, basically. Yeah, I don't think

you put all your eggs and say, oh, he's worth signing them. He's our number one guy. You know,

if it happens, great. But, you know, I think you have to sign them to a deal that is incentive-based

and something that works for the team. I'm saying that, you know, he wants to come back. He knows

he's got to prove himself. So I think it's a win-win on both sides. So that's why I'm saying that.

But, you know, they still have to go and get a number one receiver or somebody they consider

right now to be a number one. They can step right in. And one of those, because I read all the comments

and I love it, but let's remember, because Aaron, you've been in this locker with me,

what these players want some time in their relationships, that's how they got Karim Hunt back.

You know, Karim Hunt had these relationships with Andy and everybody else. Tariq had these

relationships with everybody. That's the reason why they can confidently, you know, say and bring

him back into not being an issue. Like, I know fans are saying move all, but they probably said

the same thing about Karim Hunt. And he got back and locked on and spent two years here. Like,

we're trying, I'm trying, you know, I'll be kind of like, let people know how this thing works

in the background. That's why I keep saying they're going to get it done with Tariq. He's going to

come back to Kansas City unless they just offered him a boatload of money out of MLA.

Great show, fellas. Remember the Chief Squad Show is live every Tuesday and Thursday at 7 pm

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Until next time, we can have the luxurious sneak conversation again next episode. I forgot

about that topic. It's over. Oh, you know, you know, that was it. It was all games in two years.

Yeah, we got nothing else to say about him. Why talk about him? He ain't coming back.

Until next time, stay safe and make good decisions.

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