Chiropractic care plays broader role in nervous system & body’s ability to function optimally

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Welcome to the nurses' report on America Out Loud.

I'm your host Ashley Caputo, registered nurse and functional medicine practitioner.

This show is about asking bigger questions about modern healthcare, exploring integrative and root cause approaches to help and helping people better understand how their bodies actually work.

Each week we bring conversations that look at health from a broader perspective, because real wellness doesn't come from a single pill or a quick fix.

It comes from understanding the systems of the body and the many factors that influence our health.

Today we're going to talk about something that often gets overlooked when people think about wellness, and that's the role of the nervous system and the spine in overall health.

Many people think chiropractic care is only for back pain or injuries, but chiropractic care is really centered around the nervous system, the communication system of the body that connects the brain with every organ, gland, and every tissue.

When the nervous system is functioning well, the body has a much greater ability to adapt to stress, regulate hormones, and support immune function and maintain balance.

But modern life places an enormous amount of stress on the body, physically, chemically, and emotionally.

Today we're going to explore how those stressors affect the body and what people can do to support their health more naturally.

What I'm going to meet today is Dr. Hillary Webb. Dr. Hillary Webb is a chiropractor, business owner, and a mom who's passionate about raising healthy families and asking bigger questions about modern health.

She loves helping people understand the power of the nervous system, living more naturally and encouraging parents to trust their instincts when it comes to their children's well-being.

She practices at remedy chiropractic and is the owner with her husband in Fayetteville, Georgia. Dr. Webb, welcome to the nurses' report.

Thanks for having me, Ashley.

I'm so excited. You're here.

I wanted to just kind of start off by asking you maybe to tell us a little bit about what got you interested in becoming a chiropractor and just a little bit about yourself and your practice.

It's an interesting story, actually. So my mom, it was, she was an Arian, registered nurse, and she always just told both my mom and my dad were like,

you and your sister need to be a doctor, so you need to be a doctor, you need to be a doctor, you need to be a doctor.

Well, to her, that meant medical doctor. That meant going to med school, white coat, all of that jazz.

When I was seven years old, I was hospitalized for a severe bladder and kidney infection.

Left me in the hospital on Christmas morning at seven years old, and I was in there for about two and a half weeks.

It was awful. So at seven, it had already been embedded in my brain, be a doctor, be a doctor, be a doctor.

But when I went there, I was like, I don't want anything to do with this. I don't want anything to do with this.

I was stabbed multiple times with needles, poke prodded, everything. And I was like, I want nothing to do with this.

Okay, fast forward.

Seven, eight, nine, seven, four years later, we were in a car accident.

My first neighborhood car accident, and my mom took me to the local car tractor.

And I walked out giggling. I was like, this is awesome. This is the doctor that I want to be.

And so from 11 years old, I decided that I wanted to be a car tractor. And over the years, my family, a lot of people were like, oh, you'll change your mind.

Love it all. You're only 11, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, here I am.

Over 15 years later, how old am I? I'm 33 now. And I graduated when I was 25.

I went to undergrad, got my bachelor's in biology, and then went straight to car practice school, graduated in 2018.

And now here I am. Seven years later, practicing, loving it, obsessed with it.

That's awesome.

Yeah.

For a lot of people, there's that moment growing up or whatever that it just clicks and you become interested or fascinated in something.

Yeah.

So that's awesome.

And I, I get it. I worked in the hospital. It's, it's, it's needed. There's a time and a place for a hospital, you know.

But it is not usually a good experience. I'm always happy when, when my patients are like considering that I was in the hospital is actually a pretty good experience.

Because I'm like, okay, that's a win for the medical community, you know, because otherwise it's just, it's really traumatic, especially for a little girl and then to miss Christmas.

Oh, yes.

Oh, my God, that was awful. I would never forget that. Yeah. Yeah.

Did you get any pushback wanting, you know, going to be a chiropractor where they like, no, go be a, I hear this a lot, like, go be a real doctor.

Oh, yeah.

Real doctor.

Yeah.

That's still today of people.

Yeah.

I'm not, I'm not a real doctor.

Right.

But to me, that just is like, well, so is your dentist, a real doctor, you know, is your, what about your physical therapist?

They are real doctor.

Like, what, what do you mean by that, you know, like my sister has her PhD. Is she not a real doctor?

I mean, like, right, right.

That's like the most prestigious degree that you can get is a PhD and she, is she a real doctor?

I don't know.

People are crazy.

But I'm, but no, I didn't get any pushback from, from my parents.

Oh, that's good.

That's good.

Yeah.

Like, my dad was all about it.

He was like, you can own your own business, you can have your own autonomy.

Like, it, it's, it is incredible.

And it's sad to see these days how little autonomy, real doctors, yes.

Have with their patients, because of insurance, because of like all kinds of stuff like that.

So like, I'm glad that I'm a chiropractor.

I'm, I love chiropractic and I'm glad that I can, I have my own autonomy and I can do.

I don't let insurance control what I do with my case.

Yeah.

We're seeing that a lot too.

Across the board, a lot of providers are not taking insurance anymore.

And they're providing like concierge services.

You know, I'm doing functional medicine and that's taking off.

People are becoming more interested in that.

And that's outside of the insurance system, because your hands are tied.

And it's like, it's dictated to you how you're going to treat your patients.

And I saw that amplified during COVID, because we had protocols in the hospital.

And it was like, you didn't veer from the protocol.

There was no autonomy.

Yeah.

And I did get to see that firsthand, like having my daughter versus having my son.

So I had my daughter in the hospital.

Induction, epidural, all that stuff.

It felt like I was not being taken care of.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

And I had a home birth with, with my son and it was, it was incredible.

I felt like, you know, everything was about me and making me happy, making me comfortable.

About him too, but like, about me.

And, um, and that was, um, that was special.

Oh, that's awesome.

I tried for a home birth.

Well, my, my first baby, I was going to do a birthing center.

And, um, and then I guess in Florida, the regulation, like once you go past 42 weeks and so many days, like you can no longer get birth at the birthing center.

So I had to go to the hospital.

And then, like you said, it was a lot of a gas lighting and he's too big.

You'll never be able to have him naturally.

Right.

This could be an emergency if you don't, you know, have him right now.

And so I, I kind of got, I feel looking back, I feel like I got a little bullied into a C section.

Yeah.

And, um, and then that affected my next birth.

And because no one, no provider wanted to support me with a V back.

So I turned outside the system and I found a home birth midwife.

Um, and it was going to be amazing, you know, but then I have stubborn children and they like to just stay and set like they don't want to come out.

So I went past 42 weeks with him, water broke, um, and then 24 hours later, I still wasn't in active labor.

So she felt safest if I went to the hospital, which I appreciate, you know, I love that.

I asked my midwife, I was like, I was like, okay, I want you to tell me all the thing.

Like, when do we go to the hospital?

And she was like, well, we have X, Y, Z, if any of these things happen, then we do this.

And if that doesn't work, we go like, and I'm like, okay, that, yeah, fine.

You know, because I weren't going to go in, I didn't want to go in blind and be like, right.

You know, but I also didn't want, I did, I wanted a fair shot.

I wanted a fair shot at home and I got it.

Well, that's how, yeah, that's how I felt.

And once I got to the hospital, the doctor said, you know, she was like, well, if you want to see your baby die,

then I guess we can try for an induction, but, you know, he could end up floating in your abdomen,

talking about like a ruptured uterus, which I know is, is a risk, but it's really low risk.

And just because I had had a C section before.

There was a lot of like fear tactics and, I mean, crazy way, the way they talked to people.

So I, I did end up with a second C section.

And man, 24 hours later, I signed myself out of that hospital.

I felt safer at home than being there.

And it's just, it's so sad and unfortunate that you can't be supported in, in what you want.

You know, that's a big thing that every patient that comes, I'm also like, I'm a Webster certified,

so I'm treating pregnant women.

Yeah.

And so I ask all of my patients, like, if they come in and they've had a prior C section, I'm like, you going for a wee bit?

We doing that.

Like, I'm scared.

And I'm like, well, I'm scared.

Like, don't let nobody scare you into doing something that like, if you want to deliver vaginally,

do it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because C sections don't come without risk.

You know, they're, they're pushed like it's the safer option.

But I actually had a girl I worked with that had a C section.

She lost a lot of blood and ended up.

She had was in the ICU blood transfusions.

I think she got a blood clot and a leg.

And I mean, she didn't even get to hold her baby for months after she had him.

And they did a C section because she wasn't progressing fast enough.

Right.

That was the only complication baby and mom were doing fine.

And that C section.

No, there are times C sections are totally appropriate.

So I want to put that out there.

You know, there's again, there's a time in a place.

That's what I love about chiropractic care too is that.

You know, you can help guide people and support their decisions,

even if you're not delivering the baby.

Right.

But you can guide mom through pregnancy, supporter through pregnancy.

You guys help get that baby in position.

That's for sure.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's how I got my baby head down.

It can decrease labor times.

Yes.

And then I have a patient currently.

She's about to give birth in the next few weeks.

And she was like, mom, my baby's like head up.

And I'm like, it's nothing to worry about right now.

Yeah.

I ain't worried about it.

Don't worry about it.

It's fine.

I don't care what they tell you.

It's fine.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm like, we're don't worry about that until until X, Y, Z.

Okay.

And then we, we changed what we're doing.

You know, so there's always like things that you can do to.

Yes.

You know, but yeah, I always tell my patients, I'm like, hey,

just don't let them scare you into doing anything that you don't want to do.

It's up to you.

You're the boss.

You are the boss of your delivery.

Yeah.

You have to say your voice is important.

And they're like, okay, yeah.

I mean, they make it sound like I don't have a choice.

And I'm like, you do.

I promise.

Yeah.

And if, if you don't have that encouragement and knowledge beforehand,

it's, it's easier to get kind of pushed into doing something that,

that you might not have really wanted to do.

And, um, and that's a, you know, having an advocate.

Someone like you, family, friend, you know, hiring a doula, you know,

like somebody that can be there with you to support you and help you make those decisions.

It's so important because it's intimidating.

It really is because I experienced it first hand.

Like I was going to go in and I was like, oh, I'm not going to get an epidural.

I'm not going to do this love of the.

I don't want, I want to be able to walk around and.

No, it just escalated, bullying me into bullying that's stronger, but whatever.

But that's kind of how it feels.

Yeah, it felt really pressured to do all of this.

I didn't want to do, but it was also just like, to me, I don't work well in that environment.

And wouldn't be doing that.

And so it was just like, okay, okay, okay.

You know, so.

And I mean, I'll say anybody out there that's pregnant, please go see your chiropractor,

because it really does help.

I made the mistake with my first pregnancy.

I didn't start seeing a chiropractor until towards the end.

And I was like, what was I thinking?

Because it, it, my back, it just took so much pressure off of my back.

It helped position the baby a little bit better.

And so my second pregnancy is the day I found out I was pregnant.

I was like, okay, I have to go see my chiropractor now.

You know, because it was just, it's just, it's helpful.

It makes you feel good.

And it just eases.

Like you said, labor pains and stuff too.

So that's awesome.

And the Webster certification, that's something women should look for when.

No, granted like my husband, he is at our practice more than than I am right now,

because I have two small children.

And so I have, obviously he took care of me while I was pregnant.

I taught him everything I know.

So like there are chiropraters that can know stuff.

Like he is an exception for sure.

But I specifically look for someone who was Webster certified if I was pregnant.

And I did not have.

Yeah.

And that too.

Like if you hadn't haven't been seen a chiropractor.

So you don't have that relationship with them.

That's one thing you can kind of look for to help guide you in finding the right practitioner

if you're pregnant.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so the Webster maneuver that helps get the baby in the right position.

It balances the pelvis and the sacrum so that the baby has more room.

Because we cannot say we don't say, oh, I'm going to I can flip your baby.

Like I'm not.

Right.

We put the body in the optimal position to run for your baby to flip.

And that I.

So after I have my baby, I went.

It was probably months down the road.

I went back to the chiropractor.

And I was like, um, can you guys do that thing that you do when I'm pregnant with the hips and the.

You know, I didn't really know what to say.

But I was like, my hips need to do that again because it felt so good.

Right.

And then, you know, and everything gets so tight around your hips and.

And even not being pregnant, you know, just.

Every day life.

This really good like hip stretch on on my pregnant patients.

And they're like, oh my gosh, that feels so amazing.

And I'm like, well, bring your husband in here.

I'll show him how to do it.

Oh, let me sign my husband up for that.

Let's get him in on this on this chance.

Need this more than you can come see me.

You know, so yeah, I recruit the husbands.

I'll recruit friends who ever to like help.

Yeah.

That's, you know, that's one thing that.

Um, that I love to about chiropractors is like, you don't just go into the office and they.

They do their thing snap, you know, snap crackle pop and then you leave.

It's, it's like a whole thing.

You know, it's a whole body approach, which I love.

And you provide valuable information to the patients to be able to go home.

And continue to improve their health.

You know, do this stretch, do this exercise.

If you talk about like diet, you know, it's a, it's not.

I think in, in traditional medicine, a lot of the times we see doctors are very tunnel visioned.

And it's just the one thing that they're looking at.

It's your labs, it's your heart, it's your kidneys, but it's, it's rarely like a full body approach.

And I think that's really missing the mark for people.

If somebody comes to me and they want labs, like I can order labs, like, like, whatever.

Um, but yeah, you would be in so amazed at the stuff that like.

We, I don't want to say fix, but like help patients with this, like stuff that you would not normally think.

Like we had a patient come in and she had had acid reflux, gird, stomach issues for years.

Like 15 plus years.

And she's like, I don't know what started it like this blah blah blah.

I've been dealing with this. It's awful. Like I can barely eat like it bad.

And like she was in works with like a gastroenterologist.

That was like talking about like removing things and that was scaring her.

We adjusted her stomach, which is something that like a lot of people don't.

Well, a lot of firefighters, I guess, don't do, but like we do.

And off of her anti acids, awful, completely off of them.

That's awesome.

All her surgeries, all her like she's like.

Yeah.

I mean, why not go for the least invasive approach?

Right.

And save the surgeries, you know, for like kind of a last resort, which is what you're taught.

You know, when you're learning medicine, you always go for the least invasive.

You know, you give, you only prescribed medication if they need it and you do the least dose possible.

And you try alternatives.

But I think sometimes it's.

People don't know.

And are close minded to these alternative approaches.

I use a whole protocol for, um, for like acid reflux and stuff.

And now that I know I'm going to tell me my clients to go to the pyropractor.

But we start, um, it's crazy because a lot of the medications really upset the acid balance in your stomach.

And so then you have to keep taking the medication, but it's actually making the problem worse.

And so we can get help people get off of medications and correct their gird by correcting the pH and acid balance in their stomach.

And it's, um, it's not really well recognized.

If you go to your traditional doctor, they're going to prescribe you an an acid or, you know, and these things long term have some really severe side effects.

For sure.

Yeah, that they don't really talk about either.

Okay.

It's your problem right now.

This will fix it.

Yes.

Yeah.

You don't think about, oh, I've been on this for 15 years.

And now I have a soft, you okay?

It's like some bizarre, you know?

Yeah.

No, that.

And, um, you know, for women, it's really bad to, because some of those medications cause like bone loss.

So then you're at higher risk for bone fractures and things like that.

And these aren't things that get talked about and to think that you could just go to your pyropractor.

And it might not always.

I always tell every patient anything that we do, like specifically for something.

Um, I always do my, like my routine, my whole body, like little reset on people.

But like if I do something different, I'm like, hey, we can try this.

Yeah.

See what happens.

You know, like, I'm not, I never am like, oh, this is going to fix you.

This.

You're all your problem.

No, like, it's definitely like a trial and error thing.

Like, yeah, for sure.

And there's not much downside.

You know, when you talk about risk versus benefit, it's like, okay, if we try these things from a holistic alternative approach,

the downside is.

Right.

Yeah, your time.

I mean, there's not where when you talk about like, well, we're going to do surgery.

There's a risk versus benefit there, you know, in a big risk.

Yeah.

So yeah, no, that's, I had no idea you could adjust the stomach.

Yes.

But I've seen people's x-rays and.

Yes.

And it's always where it should be.

I was a little more into the like.

Carp practice.

Yeah.

Which, so me about, I think what do they call it woo woo now?

That's a little term that they use.

It was a car pratic world.

But I'm what they call a mixer.

So there are like straight car practors and mixers.

And straight car practors, like, they pick one technique and they stick to it.

And it works.

It all works.

Like, I love all car pratic.

It's a matter of like what kind of car pratic it is.

But I'm a mixer.

I went in and I was like, you know, we had to take all these different techniques like for classes.

And I'm like, well, I like that one from that.

So I'm going to take that.

And I like that from that.

So I'm going to take that out and I blend them together.

No, that's, I, I think that makes you a really good.

Doctor.

Yeah.

Because.

And things change.

And then there's new approaches that are, you know, that you might learn about.

I mean, in medicine, no matter how you're practicing, like you're always learning something.

Right.

Everything's changing.

And you have to kind of change with the tide.

And I think there's a lot of doctors out there that do chiropractors too, you know, that they're stuck in their ways.

And if that method doesn't work for that patient, you have to be open to trying something different.

That's what I'm saying.

So like with these, with these some chiropractors that I know, they use this particular technique,

which is really just pretty heavy handed, pretty rough.

And if somebody comes in and they say, Hey, I don't want you to crack my neck.

What, what are you going to do?

What are you going to do?

Yeah.

You're going to like address the issues that is going on in their neck.

No.

Well, I'm going to do something different.

Okay.

We're going to.

I'm going to adjust your neck, but we're not going to do it that way.

Yeah.

Yeah, I used to, I used to be that, that client.

I would let the chiropractor adjust my neck, but wait, after I saw you three or four times, like I needed to feel comfortable.

Otherwise, I would like tense up and it would make the whole thing harder anyway.

And I have seen patients like that.

And I'm like, it's okay.

I was like, let's build some trust.

And then I got you like, is that cool?

Yeah.

Yeah, it doesn't.

And after it's done, you're like, Oh, why have I not been doing?

But my, um, my mom, she was living in, she lived, she lived here in Georgia.

And then she moved to Missouri for a while.

And she would fly home.

Now, she couldn't do it all the time.

She'd fly home to see her chiropractor.

Yeah.

Because she kept trying all these other people and she's like, Nope.

Nobody can do it like that chiropractor.

And she would come home.

I'm like, Mom, I don't know if you're coming home to visit me or your chiropractor.

I guess maybe a little bit of both.

Um, but she really liked, I don't, you know what it's called.

I have no idea what it's called, um, where they don't actually, uh,

put, use their hands to adjust to you.

It's like a little clicker.

Okay.

Activator.

And that's what she loved.

And other chiropractors would use it.

And she would say they just don't know what they're doing.

And she'd come right back to the same chiropractor.

Um, but that's what she liked.

Yeah.

And I told her, I was like, No, Mom, I want somebody to move my hips.

I need you to take them and move them in a whole different position,

because they're not where they're supposed to be.

So, you know, everybody just wants needs.

Yeah, it's a little different.

It's people's nervous systems, like we were talking about earlier,

need different things.

You need some people need that, that rough movement.

And some people's nervous system need more light force,

you know, force techniques.

And it does the same thing to me.

Okay.

For me personally, I took activator in class because I was like,

I want that.

I want that tool in my bag.

Okay.

So, I took activator for 11 weeks, got adjusted by like nothing but activator.

And it worked.

It worked.

I feel like it just took longer for me.

Yes.

Not a problem.

Like some people's bodies and nervous systems need that time to like put everything together

if that makes sense.

Yes.

And my mom knew, I guess, what her body needed because I always think about,

because she had had, you know, X-rays and then fast-forward.

She'd been seeing this chiropractor for a while.

But then there was some new pain coming up.

So, she was going and getting the activator done.

Well, it turns out she did have cancer in her bones.

So, I can't even imagine if somebody had tried to adjust her as frail as her bones were.

You know, so individualized care.

Crazy concept.

I love it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

See, I've had patients come in that are, you know, have cancer in the bone,

have our own chemo, all kinds of stuff.

And I'm like, yes, continue to come in during this.

Like, it's not, it don't scare me.

If it don't scare you, it don't scare me.

But we just, we change, we change it up.

Change course, yeah.

Yes.

Well, we do have to go to break really quick.

And when we get back, we're going to dig more into this.

I want to talk about some nutrition and some other things.

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Welcome back to the nurses report on America Out Loud.

I'm your host, Ashley Caputo.

And today, my guest is Dr. Hillary Webb,

chiropractor of Remedy Chiropractic in Fayetteville, Georgia.

Before the break, we were just talking about different chiropractic

approaches, individualized care, all sorts of things.

So if you missed the first half, please go back and check it out.

But I wanted to kind of pick up where we left off,

because that's interesting that you,

I like how you said,

if it doesn't scare you, it doesn't scare me.

In that fear, I think sometimes

is given by their doctors.

Right?

So I've had a lot of,

a lot of providers just completely

tell people,

do not go see a chiropractor,

you know, stop seeing,

it's dangerous,

you know, something bad could happen.

How do you,

how do you kind of combat that in your,

in your practice?

It's tough.

That's a tough one,

especially,

so when I bought my practice,

I bought it from this couple

who the chiropractor unexpectedly passed away,

and it was, it was a husband and wife,

but she was not a chiropractor,

so she had like no option

but to sell the practice.

So I came in,

and I started covering for her,

helping her keep her doors open,

and then we transitioned into me,

purchasing it.

The practice of the doctor,

Dr. David Allen,

just fantastic,

the stories that I hear

from the patients that I have kept,

about him,

fantastic human.

But he was a 72-year-old man,

practicing, you know,

he'd been practicing for 40-some years,

and he was like six-foot tall,

probably taller than I am maybe,

and then here I am coming in,

this little, I was 30,

I think I was 30 at the time,

female, like five-four,

and patients were kind of just like,

who is this?

Like what?

Then I do.

But just,

so when you're,

when you're practicing that long and stuff,

I feel like your patients kind of start to like match you.

So I have a very like older patient base,

or at least to start with, I did.

We have since brought in some fresh,

some rich faces and stuff like that,

babies, moms, young families,

but I have a lot of older patients,

and there was one patient in particular,

and I remember he was coming to me,

he had been to Dr. Alan for ever,

and then started coming to me,

and he came to me for about two years,

and then came in with his wife,

because she came to,

they came together and got adjusted together

as like a couple,

it was like a little date for him,

it was so cute.

And he told me he was like,

I've been diagnosed with stomach cancer,

some sort of cancer,

and my doctor told me I can't come anymore.

And I was like, no, you can.

And he was like, well,

I'm gonna listen to him,

he met where starting chema,

and blah, blah, blah.

And I was like, well,

well, let me tell you that,

going through all that,

doing this will benefit you,

help you while you're going through that,

support you through that.

And he was like, well,

I'm just gonna listen to him,

and then like three months later,

he passed away.

Yeah, yeah.

So that's like,

that's hard to see.

And I'm just like,

well, how much bit,

like I'm, I get in my hand,

I'm like, how much better

would his end of life been

if he had, you know, come in

or like, you know,

I believe that everybody has a time to go

and when they go,

it's their time.

So I don't think by any means

that I could have like prolonged his life

at all.

But maybe kind of eased them.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think there are more providers

becoming open to it.

Yes.

Because I've seen it being integrated

a little more,

even the cancer center that my mom was at,

she had cancer, you know,

she had endometrial cancer

and it spread to her spine.

But when we were there,

they got, had a whole team

and a naturopath was part of her team.

And they offered to help get

her chiropractic services.

They were very,

they wanted to make sure

she got with the right chiropractor

because she was so frail

that they were like,

you know, they could probably help with,

because her, her pain was very poorly managed.

And so I thought I was like,

wow, I haven't really heard

an oncologist tell somebody,

you know, to go see a chiropractor.

So I think it's out there.

I think,

um, even like the Homoha movement

and everything,

people are what people demand

you're going to eventually have to get

and provide for, you know,

so if people are demanding alternative approaches,

doctors are going to have to give in.

Right.

Yeah.

You know, start working together.

Yeah. And all it takes is a conversation.

You know, like,

I mean, all you have to do is call me

if you're a provider

and you're trying to find that

for somebody or somebody wants that

and you're looking for a specific thing,

then call me or check out and go,

check out my website.

Google is free, you know?

Yeah.

It's all on my website.

Um, but yeah, just call me.

I don't talk to anybody.

Or if some, if a patient comes into me

and they're like,

hey, can you call my doctor

and blah, blah, blah, blah.

I'm like, yes.

Absolutely.

Like, I have no problem doing that.

Yeah.

Um, so yeah, it's,

yeah, but I think I think it's coming around.

Like we even,

um, at my daughter's school,

one of her best little friends.

Her, his dad is an orthopedic surgeon

at Georgia Ball and Joy.

And, um,

we have some mutual patients.

And he's like,

I need to get to know y'all

because like,

if my daughter loves your daughter,

then I know y'all are good people

and like, he's like,

I need your card.

Like, let's, let's refer.

And I'm like, yes.

Like my patient,

I even asked my patient,

I'm like, what do you think about him?

And they're like, love him.

I love him.

And I'm like, great.

Then let's do it, you know?

Yeah.

I love when you find that,

when you find providers that are willing to kind of,

maybe swallow their pride a little bit.

Like, you know,

I can't fix everything.

I might need to collaborate

and try a different approach.

Um,

because ultimately,

that's going to be what's best for the patient.

Right.

Right.

I'm definitely not the care provider

that's like, oh, you're still hurt

and let's keep going.

Like,

I will.

There's a point. Yeah.

I'm supposed to down with my patients

and be like, hey,

we've been doing this for

however long.

And we're not getting anywhere.

So we can either like pivot again.

Or you need to start thinking about.

Seeing an orthopedic or something like that,

like talking surgery.

And, um,

and they're always super appreciative of that.

It scares a lot of my patients

because a lot of my patients are like,

so natural-minded.

And they,

they don't want surgery.

For example,

we have a patient right now who she,

they were talking about hip surgery.

Well, so we were like,

well, let's try shockwave therapy on it.

And after the first visit,

she's like,

I feel better.

I'm feeling good.

And I'm like, okay,

well, let's, let's keep this going.

See what happens.

But if push comes to shove,

you know what the,

what the end road is.

Now you peaked my interest.

What is,

what is shockwave therapy?

Well, shockwave therapy is,

um,

they're marketing it now as like,

kind of like self-wave therapy,

because I guess they felt shockwave

was to, um,

of a scary name.

But it's basically,

it's basically like,

you know how ultrasound,

like therapeutic ultrasound,

like,

it's in waves,

um,

to promote healing and stuff like that.

Shockwave is similar to that,

but more aggressive.

It can go much deeper.

Um, but it's just a promote healing.

Top of now,

so is this,

is this the same thing that,

um,

like after you've had surgery,

and you have a lot of scar tissue buildup.

It can't be the same therapy,

like they,

yes, probably.

I'm not sure.

Exactly.

But yes,

shockwave therapy is really good for scar tissue breakups.

Okay, okay.

Because I remember we used to,

um,

if people had abdominal surgeries,

see sections,

things like that,

and we're having some discomfort

around their incision,

and, um,

it was thought to be like,

maybe scar tissue and stuff.

We would,

I think we referred to physical therapist

that would,

would do the therapy,

but it sounded very similar to that.

That's so cool,

because it's, um,

it's not an invasive.

No, I mean,

procedures.

And it's not the most comfortable thing,

at least to me.

It's not a comfortable thing,

um, to have done,

but it is super effective,

super effective.

When she filled the results,

it's like,

yeah, you're like,

I'll work out and do that again.

Yeah.

So I, um,

so I have a question,

uh,

regarding because I've always been

a big supporter of chiropractic care,

but one thing I don't really understand,

and I,

I don't think I ever,

I was like, it works,

so I'm just going to do it.

But why does it help?

Why does adjusting help?

Okay.

Well, surface level,

adjusting,

uh, releases endorphins.

So,

like, that's number one.

Um,

but really,

really when you get into the,

like, philosophy of,

like, what we do,

um, we're just,

we're removing interference

from your nervous system,

so that your brain

and your body can communicate better.

And so,

you're getting that endorphin release,

you're,

you're moving better,

which feels better,

and then,

like, your brain

and your body are just

communicating better.

So, like,

everything is,

better.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, and you mentioned endorphins,

because I have heard from people

that sometimes,

getting adjusted,

um,

and even doing, like, acupuncture,

you get kind of an emotional response.

Mm-hmm.

You feel like this wave of emotion,

some people will cry.

Yep.

That's because of that.

I have had that,

that experience with people,

like,

I would adjust somebody

and they would just start ball.

And I'm just like,

oh, are you okay?

And they're like, yeah,

there's just, you know,

and because

trauma

can physically build up

in your body,

in the form of, like,

you know,

tight muscles,

um,

stuff like that.

And so, when that is released,

it just releases

a whole lot of emotions

that people didn't even know

were there.

Yes.

I, um,

I had a patient that I was working with

that had pretty severe depression

and anxiety

and started seeing a chiropractor

and that's when he started noticing

a change, you know,

he had done the therapy,

been on the medications,

so he was changing his diet,

he was doing all these things,

but it was just like there was this blocker,

like,

there was just something he couldn't get past.

And when he started seeing a chiropractor,

it was like that wall came down.

Yeah.

And he was able to heal from it.

And, you know,

I was telling him like,

you hold all of this.

I mean, that's why we hold tension

in our shoulders

and, you know,

have all this pain.

If you're,

have a stressful job

that's usually where you,

and sometimes you don't realize it.

Yeah.

You're sitting there

just like tight and tense.

And, um,

so with, um,

when you get adjusted,

because I feel like

your muscles and tendons

and everything are just going to

try to pull it back

to where it was.

So you have to work on

adjusting

and then you have to work

on the muscles,

stretching exercises.

Is that?

Yeah.

So like,

what I tell my patients, too,

is like, specifically,

the most common little culprit

is a rib head.

Like, when someone has like,

oh, I have a rib out.

Um,

that,

because you're,

you're breathing

and those muscles

are constantly moving,

when you have a rib

that's been out of place

for so long,

your body wants it to stay there.

Mm-hmm.

And so then I go

and I put it back

and your body's like,

ah,

ah, like,

I don't like what she just did.

So we're going to pull

that right back out.

And that's where we get

into muscle memory.

So you do it a couple times

and then your body's like,

fine.

I give in.

I will leave this here.

We're Dr. Hillary,

but it's fine.

Um,

but usually just,

I mean, sometimes it'll,

it can stay after the first time,

sometimes if it's been there

for a while,

it could take,

you know, two or three visits.

Yeah.

It's funny to say that

because I,

um,

back in my younger days,

I taught,

through nursing school,

I taught zoom about,

like, six, seven days a week

and I wore terrible shoes,

but they were cute

and they worked well on the gym floor.

So I wore them anyway.

So I know I was just, you know,

kind of being hard on my body,

but I was seeing a chiropractor.

Um,

and he was like,

man, this pes,

there was one rib

that they were always trying

to adjust

the one chiropractor

in that practice.

It could get it

to,

to go back

where it was supposed to be

because I would lay down on the table

and they would try to adjust me

and they just,

like, they couldn't get it

and I could feel

it was stuck, you know.

So they had this one chiropractor.

He was way taller than me.

And he would come in

and have me stand up

and he'd like, pick me up

and adjust me.

And it was the only way

that one little pesky rib

would go back into place.

Like, can we just get rid of it?

Because it caused that one rib,

it causes you so much trouble.

Um,

what is it from sitting?

What's it from it?

It's just

like,

living,

you could cough

and it could do that,

sneezing.

Um,

I see a lot of people

like, during this pollen and stuff,

it's going to be,

we're going to come in there

and we're like,

I got a rib out.

And it just is,

just part of that.

Just part of it.

And so you mentioned pollen

and which is awful in the lake

behind my house,

you can already see the pollen,

floating in the lake.

It's all over my car.

So I know one thing

that is recommended a lot

when people have sinus problems,

allergies,

go to your chiropractor.

Oh, yeah.

How? Why?

Why does that help?

Um, again.

Because it does.

I've left less congested,

but I was always curious

why it helps.

Actually, um,

because it can help break up

the sinuses,

like that's what,

um,

I do is like,

I'll use that clicker

activator along the sinuses.

And it, um,

it just helps break it up,

helps you get it out,

um,

people love it.

But I also do recommend NAC

during this time.

Yeah.

Okay.

Um, so big on that during pollen,

um,

pollen season.

And that's the pre-curse

for glutathione, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I recommend, um,

people take that a lot too.

Yes.

It's a good,

just to have in your mouth.

That's one of my good ones.

I take it every day.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um, and so,

as far as, um,

like allergies,

one thing I've seen

be really helpful

is for kids.

Because,

kids,

if they have allergies,

like,

not many parents want to just have

to give their kids medicine

every single day.

Right.

And then they,

they suffer.

And, you know,

if an adult,

if we have a stuff he knows,

eventually we're like,

forget,

I'm going to bed.

I'll,

deal with it.

Kids,

I have,

my child is not going to sleep

if he can't breathe through his

notes.

Yes.

So,

I know chiropractic care can be

helpful for the kids.

How do you approach,

um,

kids differently?

Uh,

meet kids.

I meet kids where they're at.

Like,

if a kid wants to come and,

like,

jump right on my table

and get adjusted,

then, like,

here I'm for.

Um,

I just,

kids sitting on the floor.

I just,

kids with their mom is

holding them.

Um,

we figure out what's,

because if,

if a kid's crying,

it's going to make mom

attempts.

And I don't want to make

mom attempts.

Um,

if a kid's crying,

while mom is getting

adjusted,

we're going to get somebody

hold that,

like,

we're going to make that baby

scream.

Because I want mom to be

happy.

Because mom can't cost

trade if,

if baby's crying.

So we just,

we are a true,

like, family practice.

And we,

we try to make everybody

happy.

Like, I,

I've,

I've worked on babies

where they're,

they're screaming.

And it's,

there's nothing I can do.

But I'm like,

let's just get this done.

Really,

we'll get it done really quick.

And then here,

Mama,

you can nurse her right here

if you want to,

whatever,

but you can.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I had my,

my first baby

adjusted.

And then it helped

with breastfeeding.

Yes.

He was having trouble

with this latch.

And,

and we were seen our,

aren't my chiropractor

during that pregnancy?

If I could have gone

back to,

well, I didn't know you were

here.

I could have found you.

But,

um,

he was amazing

during everything.

I mean,

he,

Mom and the baby and making sure you can breastfeed

and making sure the baby's sleeping good.

And it was just really nice to see that whole family approach.

So I love that.

So we are a true family member.

And actually I will tell you this too.

It's funny because people, you know,

traveled to see me.

And I've had probably,

I want to say two or three people

that have come to me and then, you know,

had like maybe like a little gap in care.

And then they come back and they're like,

I'm going to admit Hillary, I went somewhere else.

Like they cheated on you?

Right, they cheated on me.

And they're like, I went somewhere else because it was closer.

And it just, it wasn't the same.

Like I, like, it wasn't the same.

It wasn't, it wasn't you.

Like I didn't have that same connection.

And I'm like, well, what did we learn?

So, yeah, I mean, if you find a good one,

I would say like, make it worth the job, you know,

like, yeah, worth the job.

They're worth their prices, you know,

you go somewhere else and you see that you get

not the same thing, you know?

So, you know, but they always come back usually.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, you know, you want that individualized care

and you want a provider that you feel good with

and you feel comfortable with

because when you have that barrier up,

then you're not helping yourself.

You know, if you can't be honest with your provider

and tell them what's going on, what works, what doesn't, you know?

Yeah, and if something's like going on

that like is not like even my, in my field house,

and you want my opinion, like, I'm here for you.

Like I want my patients to feel like they're my best friend.

They're coming to, they're coming to their girl, you know?

Like I'm not just your car partner, your daughter, Hillary,

like I'm Hillary and you can talk to me.

It no matter what, like, or if my older patients,

like I want you to feel like I'm your daughter, you know?

Like that's how I'm gonna treat you.

And that's something that I really proud myself on

as a provider.

Yeah, and I'm sure your patients really appreciate that too.

Sure hope so.

Yes.

Well, so to shift gears a little bit

because I really wanted to get your opinion on this

because since COVID, we have seen a lot of people

with some crazy symptoms, like long COVID vaccine injury.

It seems like people are getting sick more often.

And how can chiropractic care kind of play a role in that

because it is something that we usually recommend?

Yeah, you know, it really can.

Chiropractic care is for everybody.

If you have a spine, it's for you, like that bottom one.

And just you would just be amazed at like the miracles

that chiropractic can do for people.

I mean, I'm not gonna adjust you for your long COVID.

Like I'm not adjusting you for that.

If you come into me and that's something that you have

and then all of a sudden it's better,

woo, I'll take full credit for it though.

But I'm not adjusting you specifically for that.

Like I'm adjusting you to help you move better, live better,

heal better.

So yeah, that's how we...

I think because for me with long COVID,

with the vaccines, that's what they call vaccines,

I guess the experimental shot is a better way to describe it.

But they, I feel like it caused like a lot of inflammation

in the body.

Yeah, and I actually have seen,

like I actually started asking patients, you know,

whether or not they've had COVID or the vaccine,

just to help me better understand

what's going on with their body.

Like if they have some unexplained,

I've had two patients that have come in post COVID vaccine

that had blood clots and guess who called them?

Me.

And one of my patients was like,

I can't wait to go to my medical doctor

and tell him that my chiropractor friend is blood clot.

And it just kind of like,

it just kind of put different like red flag alerts

in my pocket for people.

Yeah, I think it's important.

It's almost like that has to just be a part of the assessment

now because it's just wrecked havoc on the body.

The nervous system, cardiovascular system, everything.

So I'm glad you're, you're including that

because I, you know, people I think are feeling desperate

because they're not getting relief,

they're not feeling better.

They are.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What about with all these electronics?

Everybody has a device in their hand, kids have devices

that's gotta be like kind of wrecking your neck

and your shoulders.

It's like the worst thing ever.

You know, I guess it's like this.

I was looking at my stepson, I have two stepson's.

And the other day he was playing some game on his,

on his iPad and he's literally sitting like this.

And I'm just like, bro, can you,

I was like, you're either gonna put that up

or you're gonna hold it up.

And he, so he was like, yes, ma'am.

And he like brought it up.

Well, they haven't been schools too.

So it's like they have computers or tablets at school

and then you come home and then they're on a tablet

and with their phone or something.

Same thing for adults, you know.

Yeah, I mean, and I, you know, we are skeletonly mature.

And so it's really important, you know,

like when babies do tummy time,

they're building that curve.

That's why you're doing tummy time

is to like help build that curve in the neck.

And so like it's, I think it would be really important,

like especially in schools,

if someone would walk around and make sure that like kids

were like using good posture while using electronic

because we're not gonna be able to go away

with the electronics, you know, like kids are gonna,

my three year old has an iPad, she does.

I know a lot of parents don't do the electronics,

but like it's, that's what's going on right now.

Like that's how our kids are gonna grow up

is there in the electronic age.

And so I think it's just best to support your child

through this difference that we didn't grow up with,

you know, like we had dial-up internet when I was,

when I went to, yeah, and we could only get on it

when Mama wasn't as bad in a phone call, you know?

Yes, so it's like, we didn't have to really worry

about that stuff.

So now I think it's just important for you to take steps

to like work with your children through this,

these advancements of like technology.

And so like bring them to the car proctor,

make sure they're utilizing good posture.

But like, don't take it away from them.

Like they're gonna make it, like it's gonna be,

there's gonna come a time I imagine when

we're not gonna know how to do stuff on the internet,

you know, like our grandparents are like,

how do I bring up my Facebook?

I don't know.

Sometimes I ask my kids for help.

And I'm like, my kids are seven and five

and they will help me, you know?

And so my, I was doing something the other day

and my 12 year old stepson was like,

oh, look, there's a lot of people here, you know?

And I was like, oh, look, so I mean,

it's important that they just, you know,

utilize good posture and make them sit.

So don't let them sit there like this.

Like that, that's not good for anybody,

but corsets do the same thing.

So that's a whole, you know?

I know and unfortunately we're out of time

and I have so much more we could talk about.

So we might have to do a part two at some point.

But I do wanna thank you so much for coming on.

How can people get in touch with you

if they wanna find you?

Okay, we are on Facebook, the Remedy Care Practice.

We are also on Instagram at the Remedy Careaus

and you can always go to our website,

theremedycareaus.com.

And we'll put all of that in the show notes too,

so you guys can work her up.

But thank you so much.

This is such a fun conversation.

This was, thank you guys for joining the Nurses Report.

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