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0:00 Chloé’s theory of enchantment
3:54 Can a legal remedy solve a spiritual problem?
4:29 The human problem of stereotyping
8:26 Why Chloé thinks the rise of white identity politics was “totally predictable”
10:56 Ground News ad
12:46 Derrick Bell’s case against Brown v. Board of Education
14:49 The subject-citizen in Israel and the U.S.
17:01 Chloé’s year of mourning
19:09 Can a listening campaign help ease tensions in Israel?
23:26 An “aha” moment in Bethlehem
28:34 Chloé critique of Ta-Nehisi Coates’s analysis of Israel-Palestine
31:56 Does race have a future?
Recorded February 13, 2026
Links and Readings
Chloé’s Substack post, “The First CRT President”
Derrick Bell’s essay, “The Unintended Lessons in Brown v. Board of Education”
Derrick Bell’s book, Faces at the Bottom of the Well: The Permanence of Racism
Chloé’s Substack post, “The G-Word”
James Baldwin’s book, The Fire Next Time
Ta-Nehisi Coates’s book, The Message
Coleman Hughes’s book, The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America
Thomas Chatterton Williams’s book, Self-Portrait in Black and White: Family, Fatherhood and Rethinking Race
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