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The man leading the investigation into Nancy Guthrie's disappearance sat in a sworn deposition in December 2025 — six weeks before she vanished — and told an attorney under oath that he had never been suspended in forty years of law enforcement. Employment records obtained by the Arizona Republic say otherwise.
This week on Hidden Killers, Tony Brueski breaks down the full documented record of Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos — and what it means for an investigation that remains unsolved with no arrest and no named suspect.
The El Paso file is specific. Eight suspensions. Thirty-seven days without pay. A robbery suspect named Carlos Urias who was allegedly kicked in the head during an arrest and ended up in the intensive care unit — Nanos received a 15-day suspension. Allegations of insubordination, excessive force, off-duty gambling. A forced resignation in 1982 that Nanos listed on his résumé as service that continued until 1984. His department called the date discrepancies clerical errors. Nanos told a reporter asking questions about it "good luck with your hit piece."
The institutional response since the records surfaced has been swift and significant. The Pima County deputies' union — 300 of Nanos' own officers — passed a unanimous no-confidence vote and called for his immediate resignation. The Pima County Board of Supervisors voted unanimously to compel sworn reports from Nanos under oath, with non-compliance potentially resulting in his removal from office. Supervisor Matt Heinz called Nanos' 42-year record "based on fraud."
Every statement Nanos has made about the Guthrie investigation — about the crime scene, the FBI, the ransom, the public safety risk — must now be weighed against a documented record of misrepresentation and a deposition that the records directly contradict. Tony addresses the full scope of what that means for finding Nancy Guthrie.
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December 25, six weeks before Nancy Guthrie disappears from her home in the Catalina
foothills. Chris Nanos is sitting in a deposition under oath. The lawsuit was filed by his own
union president, the man who represents the deputies who work for him every day.
And an attorney is asking him routine questions about his background, standard stuff,
kind of questions. Any 40-year law enforcement veteran should be able to answer really without
hesitation. The attorney asks, in your career, in your career. So, you know, career means spending
and spreading the length and duration of one's career. This is not at your current job. This
isn't at your current location, at your current department, through the course of your career.
In the course of your career, were you ever suspended?
Chris Nanos said no. Not aware of any disciplinary actions. 40 years clean record. Well, turns out
that's not so true. The Arizona Republic pulled his actual employment file from the El Paso
Police Department. Well, it's in that file. Doesn't just contradict him. It obliterates him.
And today, most of the people following this case have no idea what's in it because the
coverage has been so focused on what's happening now that nobody has stopped to fully reckon
with who has been running this investigation from the beginning.
That changes right now. Chris Nanos joins the El Paso Police Department
in February of 1976. He's 20 years old, fresh out of the University of Texas. It'll pass
out with a degree in public administration and criminal justice. He volunteers for the
tactical squad working undercover as a decoy putting himself on the streets as bait for
robbers and drug dealers. So other officers can move in and make arrests. He gets profile in the
El Paso time. See, when's a gold medal on the department boxing team in 1979, he saves his
partner's life in the line of duty. And the Combined Law Enforcement Association of Texas names
him officer of the year for the Western region. That award is confirmed. It is real. It matters
because what follows only carries the way it deserves if you understand
what he was starting from. He wasn't a bad cop out of the gate. He had genuine talent. He
did dangerous, unglamorous work. Most people wouldn't volunteer for. He had a real future in that
department. What happens next isn't the story of a man who was always rotten. It's the story of
a man who had every opportunity and spent the next five years making choices that told you exactly
who he was. We're about to get into that. And as we do your thoughts in the comments section on
sub stack and YouTube, the links are in the description. We'd love to get your thoughts.
It starts quietly in March of 1979. One day unpaid leave the reason tardiness. He's 23 years old.
He had just one officer of the year, four months later July 1979. It stops being quiet,
two week suspension in a single week or two suspensions in a single week. The first, a shot
fire. The second days later in the same week gambling off duty, two separate incidents, seven days
apart. I don't think what that means. The man who who just stood on stage and accepted an award
for saving his partner's life was suspended twice in one week. Run because his firearm was
discharged under circumstances, serious enough that the department felt it necessary to formally
punish him for it. And one because he was gambling well off the clock. Not months apart. Say,
week. It's not a stumble. It's a pattern announcing itself loudly to anyone paying attention.
In May of 1980, a 10-day suspension without pay. The records listed only as a violation of rules
and regulations. No specifications, 10 days without a paycheck is not a warning or a note on a file.
It's a serious financial penalty and a serious statement from supervisors who have clearly run
out of patience. Through 1980 and into 1981, more tardiness suspensions follow. Written
reprimands accumulate dereliction of duty, making threats, misuse of the police, siren, and violation
of direct department orders. Failure to report for duty. These allegations, these are not isolated
incidents. A reasonable person could chalk it up to a rough patch, maybe. The supervisors are
documenting. They're punishing. He's repeating. The internal affairs history card now carries
26 separate allegations over five years on the job, 26. Remember, he just said, never can't recall
any at all. So unless he's completely blocked out the 80s, which I don't believe he has, he was
lying. Because it keeps going. This is a man who has begun a pattern. Given power,
praised for how he was using that power initially, and then it's pretty much off to Nano's land after that.
It's going to do things the way he wants to do them and he seems to have done that.
Then comes March of 1980 to Chris Nano's arrest or robbery suspect named Carlos Urias.
By the time that interaction is over, Urias is in the intensive care unit of a hospital. According
to records, Urias alleged that Nano's kicked him and struck him in the head during the course
of the arrest. Urias files formal police assault charges against Nano's. A grand jury is convened.
Prosecutors present the evidence. The grand jury declines to indict.
The department suspends Nano's for 15 days without pay, the longest single suspension in the
entire El Paso record. He is simultaneously sent to counseling for a separate violation of rules
and regulations. There was no criminal conviction. But here's what else is true.
A man in Chris Nano's custody ended up in the intensive care unit. That man filed assault charges
against a police officer at the department that employed that officer handed him a 15-day suspension,
a grand jury examined the facts of that arrest and deliberated over whether charges were warranted
every one of those things happened. When it was over, he still had a badge.
By August of 1982, when I came into the world, hi everybody, after five years of escalating discipline,
a suspect in the ICU, a grand jury, 26 allegations, eight suspensions, 37 days without pay,
written reprimands for making threats and dereliction of duty. The incident that finally ends
his career in El Paso is an argument about fraudulent license plates. Nano's believes a patrolman
does not have the authority to confiscate them. His supervisors disagree. He refuses to yield.
He will not back down. The El Paso Times covers it on August 5th of 1982.
The same day I showed up to the planet. The formal termination language in this
internal affairs history card lists two reasons. In subordination and consistent inefficiency,
he's given a choice, resign, or be fired. I remember covering this while I was in the nursery.
I do. I remember I was in the little window where the newborns are and look at the cute little
baby. He has a notepad. He seems to be, there's a corded phone over there by. He seems to be on the
phone trying to cover something. What's going on? He was just born. Trust me, I remember every moment of
it. Nano's was 26 at that point in time. He resigns and the paper trail stays in Texas.
And then nothing. Two years at his official biography simply does not account for.
When the Arizona Republic pressed his department on the gap this last month, they confirmed
corrected dates and said nothing else. What Nano stayed between August of 1982 and 1984 is
unaddressed and really unexplained. In 1984, he surfaces in Tucson, Arizona. 320 miles from El Paso
applying for work as a corrections officer at the Pima County Sheriff's Department to step down
from sworn police work. Pima County supervisor Matt Heinz said this week that he believes Nano's
omitted his El Paso disciplinary history from that application entirely. Nobody caught it.
He was the 80s. He got the job. Got a second chance in a county that had no idea what was sitting
in a filing cabinet back in Texas. And it gets worse. When the Arizona Republic reviewed his publicly
posted resume on the Pima County Sheriff's Department website, here is what they found. His resume
listed his El Paso and date is 1984. Record show he left in 1982. His resume claimed he was
promoted to detective at the El Paso police department. No records confirmed that promotion ever
happened. His resume said he was promoted to captain at Pima County in 2009. Record show he's
promoted in 2007. His department's official response was to call those clerical errors,
administrative in nature, not intended to mislead. Three separate inaccuracies, all in his favor,
all making him look more accomplished and more tenured than the documented record actually shows.
Whether you call those clerical errors or something else as a judgment call,
I've read the file. I know what I call it.
When the Republic contacted him for comment, his response in a direct email was this,
that's your urgent request. You sure you don't want to go back to my high school and ask why I got
swaths from the principal. Good luck with your hit piece.
Oh, you mean good luck calling you out for your lies in an accurate record?
You know, in most places, in most conditions, in most employment situations,
if you are caught lying on your resume for like a huge chunk of it, like the whole reason
you left in place of employment, that's grounds for firing, but you're in elected position.
That's where the recall comes in. Now, we'll touch on that for a quick second.
Somebody's like, oh, there's going to be a recall. Yeah, good luck.
I say that with good luck, truly good luck.
The logistics of getting 120 signatures, 120,000 signatures in 120 days in a county that
was pretty much on the line here. Half of them thought, Nannos is a lovely dude. Let's,
and there's a good chunk that still feel that way. Why? Because they dug in, they made a bad
choice and people like to go down with the ship. Right now, they're idiots, but it is what it is.
So the chance of a recall, who knows? Let's see how the efforts, let's see how motivated people
actually do that. Good luck with your hit piece. That's the response from a man who has spent his
entire career managing what other people know about him, not denial, deflection, not correction
contempt. He's the elected sheriff of Pima County running the most high profile missing person
investigation in the country. And his answer to documented questions about his own record is to
mock the reporter asking them, because that's the end thing to do now. You know, those evil
reporters trying to get to the truth. The El Paso record is only the foundation.
In 2015, after the Pima County Board of Supervisors appoints him sheriff for the first time,
the FBI opens an investigation in his department for misuse of civil asset forfeiture funds.
We've talked about this a bit, but in case you weren't here, here's another fun chapter.
His own chief deputy is federally indicted, accused of misappropriating hundreds of thousands of
dollars meant for law enforcement purposes, $20,000 of those funds reportedly went toward building
a commercial kitchen for the deputies needs to run a cafe. Nana's is not charged, but understand
his response to a federal investigation into his own department, public defiance. He challenges
the FBI's motives. He questions whether they're methods. He picks a public fight with the bureau.
He loses 2016 election. And he comes back anyway. And the people are like, yeah, bring him back.
His people are stupid. In December of 2022, a female deputy in his department is essayed by her
sergeant at a holiday party. The sergeant is later convicted of attempted essay and s abuse.
The Arizona Attorney General's office investigates how Nana's handled it and finds four separate
violations of department policy failing to help the deputy in danger, failing to act in an
official capacity, failing to document staff involvement and failing to properly secure evidence.
The Pima County Board of Supervisors scheduled some meeting to demand answers,
Nana's response by pulling his security detail from their chambers. He returns them weeks later
once the immediate pressure dissipates. He uses the resources of his office's leverage. The moment
anyone demands he be held accountable. It's not a coincidence. This is a pattern of behavior.
Then in 2024, three weeks before election day, he places his Republican opponent an active
lieutenant in his own department, a woman named Heather Lapin on administrative leave.
Same day, he places union president Aaron Cross at administrative leave. Cross's offense was
standing on a street corner off duty, holding a sign that read deputies don't want Nana's.
Gang orders go on both of them. Nana's can speak freely to every outlet that will have it.
They, however, cannot respond. His own party's members cross the aisle to endorse his
Republican opponent. The former Republican sheriff calls it painfully transparent and an
abusive power. The Board of Supervisors calls for investigation by the Arizona AG and the US
attorney. Cross sues for First Amendment violations. Lapin files a $2 million lawsuit.
He wins by 481 votes and walks into 2025 as if none of it happened.
And we wonder why no one's found Nancy Guthrie.
Gee, I wonder. I mean, this is what just gets me about this whole damn case.
We're like, oh, it's this. Oh, it's that. It's like, look at who's running the damn thing.
This isn't rocket science.
You have inept individuals, people who are far more interested in their ego than actually solving a crime,
and have a long track record of not giving a shit what the public thinks of him or
or a law rule of law.
And why he's been enabled. He's been enabled every time. Look how many slaps on the risk this guy got.
Why does he keep doing it because he can? Because the consequences aren't stiff enough to make him change.
There's not enough boundaries and bumpers on the wall that are bouncing him back going, no, no, no.
You can't go over here and know.
He does it his way and his way has a track record of utter failure.
Six weeks after that deposition, the one where he said, no, never suspended. 40 years clean.
Nancy Guthrie vanishes. And this is the man who takes the podium.
The same man whose rank in file deputies reportedly want to file the recall themselves,
but we're afraid of what would happen to them. The same man whose own union president said
releasing Nancy Guthrie's crime scene in two days was a real headscratcher.
The same man who routed evidence to a private Florida lab instead of Quantico who said there was no
glove and then said there were quite a few gloves who reportedly attended a University of Arizona
basketball game. Well, a family waited for a ward on their missing mother who was not held
at press conference in over a month and who by multiple accounts has been spending more time at
the gym than at his desk. Those are the allegations. Pima County Supervisor Matt Hines said on the
record this week, no, you were a bad cop period, not qualified to work in Pima County then.
And I would say to you now,
the formal recall has been filed March 12th.
120 days, 120,000 signatures needed. Historically, recall succeed less than 17% of the time in the United
States, which means this man will in all likelihood still be running this investigation or whatever
remains of it for the foreseeable future. Now, you know the rest of the story. Nancy Guthrie is
still missing. No arrests, no names, suspect, no press conference, no answers, and the man responsible
for finding her sat in a chair in December 25, racist right hand and told an attorney under oath
that 40 years of law enforcement, he's never once been suspended. He lied. He lied. 26 allegations,
eight suspensions, 37 days without pay. Hmm. The voters would love to have known that when they
made that choice, wouldn't they? A robbery suspect in an intensive care unit, a grand jury,
resign or be fired. That's not an ancient history. He'd reasonably forgotten. That's 37 days without
a paycheck and a grand jury examining your conduct. Am I opinion you don't forget that?
What you do, if the record here means anything at all, is decide that controlling the story
matters more than telling the truth about it. And that's the right rate of this. He's been making
that same decision since 1982. For 43 years, it's worked. The question now is, does anyone care?
We're in an age here where we have more access to information than any other point in time.
And at some points, we act so outraged and so moved by the information we have
that, oh, gosh, gosh, wow, this is great. Finally, somebody, and then we also get information.
And then it's just, where will this land? I guess that depends how long the public's attention
span will last on this case. It's already waning. I guess what's more disturbing is, I mean,
the damage, the damage here has already been done. You're not going to go back in time.
If there was a window to get Nancy Guthrie back alive, that has likely passed.
But this guy's in power for the next handful of years. And there will be more missing people
in Pima County. Do you really want him handling it as the sheriff?
I guess we'll find out if 120,000 people will put their signature down
and demand better. Your thoughts in the comments section on YouTube and substack,
looking forward to it right there. Until next time, my name is Tony Bursky. We will talk again
real soon.
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All right, let's move over to another one that we've continued to watch.
More questions I continue to come in. Nancy Guthrie, we're going to be turning this over to you
guys. Some of your questions and we'll do our best to answer them in the comments section on
substack and YouTube. Tammy True Crime on Instagram said, the family just put out a statement
themselves asking to son residents to search their memories. Not law enforcement, the family is
asking this. After 49 days, and they're going back to a very specific date in January, believe
it's the 11th, what does that mean when the family stops waiting for the investigation to reach
people and starts doing it themselves, starts going to the actual to the community saying,
here's the dates I want you to look at. And here's why. That's interesting to me. It's almost
like we're overstepping a little bit, but but sometimes I think you kind of might need to.
Yeah. So when Savannah and her family come out with this one, once again, I think they have
their shit in line more than anyone else because when you think about it, because as soon as I saw
the statement, I loved reading statements. I love watching statements because you want to kind of
assess what's going on, you know, what's how's it being made behind the scenes. And Savannah,
each time she's actually had a very specific intent about who she's targeting in her message
that they're putting out. Remember the first one was intended for the perpetrator. The second one
is giving grace to perpetrator. And then then the next one I think was about the people
surrounding the potential perpetrator. This one is now targeted towards the people in the community.
And I think it's just a really good job she's doing to make sure that she is staying on top of it
because with mixed messaging, with weird messaging, with with cryptic stuff from law enforcement
and not law enforcement, but just really the sheriff in general. I think looking for her looking to
her for clear messaging is all she feels she can do because again, what you're trying to do is you're
trying to feel in control of an uncontrollable situation. So at least she can control her messaging.
So I thought it was a good a good reminder to folks and those dates, I think those dates are
important because that's what is law enforcement is focusing on because they do have those on those
still photos of what looks to be the porch guy at another date staking out her house on Nancy's
house. And so they want to really remind people check ring cams check nest cams check your surroundings
jog that memory for anything that wasn't on the date of Nancy's disappearance. But you know back
track to that January timeframe. So you can kind of see what is in your mind to try to give a
tipper lead to kind of move this thing forward. Here's another one. The FBI is not going around
asking about people who moved out of Nancy's neighborhood right before she disappeared. I know I've
seen rumblings of this online too. One person says that that feels huge to me. Am I reading too much
into that or does that tell us something about where this investigation is actually pointing
thoughts. Yeah, I think it's a it's a good move. You know, because out of sight out of mind, you
know, if you move from an area, you're not really thinking about it. So I think it's hitting two
two possibilities here. One, if you're moving out, you know, you might still have things that you
saw, but you dismiss it because you're too busy with your move. And so that's one thing kind of
jog the memory. But also if you're moving out, who knows you're moving out? So I know one of theories
out there is that the porch guy or the perpetrators this might have used another house or vacant house
or a house that was in a process of moving out as a staging point. So I think it serves a multiple
things here. Again, just because and I think it's important to remember to just because law enforcement
wants to explore possibility doesn't mean they think it's this possibility as like 99% is the truth.
Yeah. Just this is how you flush out leads. If it comes up as an idea, like we've said numerous times,
you get 40,000 leads in probably 30,500 of them are going to be garbage, but you have to flush
every one of them out because you just don't know. And also you just don't know because you're
following up on this one lead or this one idea, it doesn't mean that you'll get another jog
of memory. Sometimes the idea will go this way. It's over here. So it's usually going to be one or
two degrees of separation of what you're searching for. Yeah. But you can only find that one or two
degrees of separation if you do do this. So they have to flush it all out.
And I think everyone needs to also remember to a lead does not mean that it's leading you to
necessarily once you hit that lead to the actual perpetrator. That lead is leading you to some
information point. I mean, it could be if that's what they they may think, but I don't think
that's the case here. It's leading to someone who may have just some information and they may not
know what sort of information that person may have. They may just simply be, yeah, I moved
down on this state. Did you have any cameras around your house? No, I didn't. Did you see anything
around? No, I didn't. Okay. Done with the lead. And that may be it. If the if the lead has
nothing to give you and they can prove that they had nothing to do with it, that may be as far as
that lead goes. Not I think a lot of people when they hear lead, they think at the end of every
lead is going to be, you know, the hot fudge Sunday with the predator on top. I don't know why
he be on a hot fudge Sunday, but I guess that's just what we're going to go. It's about getting
it's about getting the creative juices in your mind going to kind of get the people thinking in
terms of this and talking these things out and talking with law enforcement or even just talking
amongst yourselves because you can only start remembering things once you start putting things
on that palate in front of you. And so that's what leads earth therefore is just start start the
brain working because it because again, just because you start here, it doesn't mean that it's
going to not go here here and here. I mean, it's really just keeping the doors wide open especially
when you, especially when it looks like they had in the situation are now is they have nothing
super solid like they're following a track because this track is definitely going to lead to
the perpetrator. No, they're, they're pinging on everything they possibly can.
How concerned should we be about nanos lying recently about his track record about no,
no issues in the past. The comment is robbing the sheriff of this case was just exposed for lying
under oath about his own record. It says you spent years of your career detecting deception.
When someone in power lies that smoothly about something that document about his own track record,
we're not talking about the case. How about the the 70s and 80s in El Paso, I believe.
What is that tell you about how they operate in every other area of their life or can it be
super compartmentalized? Could it mean absolutely nothing that people as you often say now they're
going to be operating in their own self interest and if their own self interest is not talking about
the disciplinary measures from 40 some years ago and the odds of over coming back up to light
are slim to nil. He might lie about those which he appears to have done. Does that have any sort
of influencer weight on how this case is being handled over here? So do you really think anyone
has shocked that he was trying to control his narrative towards entire life? See what I mean.
So so when it's not shocking to us on the outside it's not shocking to those on the inside because
it's a pattern of his life and behavior he's done for a very long time. So because it's not
shocking to anyone internally not shocking any of us on the outside is it really impacting anything?
No because they've all his his that I've been I've never really focused on Thanos in this because
again he's just elected mouthpiece. Yeah. I'm focusing on the detectives. Will this behavior impact
their ability to be effective and work? Most likely not because they're used to working around him.
Most like more now granted. Could it be better? 100% if you actually had a solid leader at the top
that was that people loved to work for. They couldn't wait to show up every day. They couldn't
wait to brief their boss on what's going on. The boss was asking the right questions. The boss
is getting them the right resources. The boss communicating with all the other people that have
a vested interest in this to keep that information flow. In other words if you had that person
at the center hub right there of that of that wheel of that wagon wheel that actually people love
to communicate with they couldn't wait to talk to that could make a huge difference. But since his
pattern behavior has been consistent throughout his entire life he's extremely predictable.
And they know how to work around him. Unfortunately that's going to take. And that's that's
very true. I mean there I'm and I'm sure there are good investigators on this case. Working
around him is an interesting take on it because it really I think it's probably time for you to do it.
And how I mean you can speak to that when you have to work around people that that are above you
how much how much more productive could it be if you weren't having to work around what you
were working in tandem with with somebody who should in principle be on the same page and and
trying to elevate you to so you can do your work better and you can shine better and you can
produce better results rather than working against you. It could make such a huge difference
because what you're doing as an investigator is is you're trying to coordinate everything
that's going on in the investigation all the resources all the research all the other all the
other agencies that are involved and and without a boss that can actually be an advocate for you to
take the burden off you to be that that reach out and touch someone because really what what
what an investigator needs is someone that actually can reach out and call a colleague on the phone
and say hey my guy here my woman here is working on some investigation what can you do to help
us instead the investigators themselves are having to call their contacts call their friends say hey
I need some help and so it takes more bandwidth away from them because they have to be the point
man doing this rather it would hopefully be your bosses that are doing it for you because they are
in I remember when I was still in the FBI there they're the most important thing for a resident
agency to have from their boss and they would get removed I saw people be removed in the FBI
that they look great on paper but if they ruined relationships with the locals they removed
because the number one goal and objective of leadership in a local field office was to foster
relationships with all the other law enforcement in the area because we all need each other you know
the FBI's got I think that when I was in is like something like 15,000 agents across the entire
country that's not a lot working counterintelligence we're talking just hundreds so we're always
relying on other organizations other people other relationships and the role of the leadership
and management is to bring those resources bring their relationships they are put in that position
because they have the reps of the investigative side so they know how to be a resource and know
how to guide the ship but more importantly they're bringing the resources of their relationships
to bear for that investigator and if you got a guy or a woman in charge that can't do that because
they're hated their despise or they're messaging sucks or they they blow relationships left and
right because of too self-serving that's where it hurts. Hey Mr. Nannos there's a little advice
for you know maybe improve things I got a few reps I got one more for you and this is for me
this is from Tony in Arkansas um this is I've been actually wondering about this um so we've had
so many cases here where after the crime scene and then there's the cacophony of reporters and
everybody gathering around doing whatever they're doing at the crime scene often times you have
the perpetrator that shows up to those places we haven't really talked about that at all in this case
and there was it was a zoo around Nancy's house for a good month before they got that
more cordoned off and under control as far as who could park where and do what on these streets
um I'm just wondering do you think they were taking a close look at everybody who was coming
and going from the scene in the days and the weeks after um again because we've seen this before
sometimes you're the person who you're searching for is right under your nose and you don't
even know it and that makes me wonder about the investigation a bit of could that person have been
right there as an onlooker I don't know I mean I'm not accusing anybody or anything like that but
I'm just wondering did they blend in could they have blended in in those weeks following is
everybody's like who is it like yeah over here look at me smiling Tony that's a great insight
I mean I haven't heard anyone say that now I don't know if they've done that either what a
that would be that would be a really really good thing for them to do that's a great quote I would
think they did but I also would think they weren't dropping 16 gloves everywhere either
but they did and they are so we're here so in hindsight what you'd have to have set up is you'd
have to have cameras set up um but so so here's our challenge for our friends and colleagues in
the media sector take a look at the footage you got see if anyone stands out and pass that along
those could be tips I'm not kidding that that is a great observation great tip I haven't had one
person talk about that but you're very right now I don't know if this area is conducive to that
I haven't looked up research for this kind of events whether this is a type of criminal event
that someone would be a retread back in the area um it's it always is a possibility though so I
definitely think it needs to be flushed out because that's a great insight I mean it's not I mean
I'm probably the type of crime it is I mean I wouldn't say necessarily I mean if it was a B&E
kind of like how you and me think it might have been right horribly wrong I don't think they're
back they're lurking around I think they're like getting out of dodge as quickly as they can that's
my that my intent is run yeah but I think they're in a real run mode if it's not that if it is
something that that we're not seeing and if it is something where it was more
co-burger-ish for lack of a better term um those are the type of folks that come back so so
so here's an interesting conjecture on this so I know um others have been floating the idea
the horrendous idea we I won't get explicit on it that there was another intent that they had
the answer inside that house now if that was truly you know it's everything's a possibility
until you know the truth if that was actually one of those of a possibility that actually has
probably a higher possibility of this person showing back up because guys like cober like trophies
they like reminiscing they like kind of playing that tape back in their head because it gives them
a rush um so it's definitely something that especially on the early on days it they need to kind
of take a deeper look at that that's what I'm saying early on I'm not I mean who knows anything's
possible but I would say those first handful of days is usually when we see the perpetrator make
an appearance this happened in coberger case if we were to dig into it I'm sure I could find
50 other examples it's it because but but I I would be very curious of anybody who is out there
reporting that has I mean just take a look I mean there was a lot of onlookers but but but but
be very careful too I'm not telling anybody so go start pointing out people and you know doxing
them I'm just saying it would be you know if there's something off that seems weird let the
authorities know not not like let's do a tick-tock on it but I would think you might have some
interesting footage in those early days I tell you it's take a lot of manpower and a lot of
resources to kind of sort through all this because of the the media nightmare and show it was
afterwards but what that would be looking at is let's take a look at the ring cams on the
neighbors for the week or two following the event as well again again you're gonna get a lot but
it's a lot you're gonna have to you'd have to rule out what actually is media what actually is just
you know but that would be a very interesting look to kind of go through that again hey what happens
as cases start getting more limited on the leads that they're following those kind of things will
pop up and they'll start actually clearing those I would think you'd be interesting to see where
any leads in a case where we don't really have much I don't know anyone talk about that that's
a really good one Tony I thought of it early on and I didn't really say anything I don't know I
it was no real intent I think I just kind of got distracted every time it came to mind well
it's not well well here's what I like about this we're not talking about another wild conspiracy
theory we're just like hey this is something that might be looked at because yeah kind of makes
sense yeah I mean it we're depending on what the yeah what the intent was there uh your thoughts
in the comments section on sub stack and YouTube we'd love to hear them weigh in and we'll continue
our conversation right there robin's book it is out now you can get it wherever you get books
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all right so until next time for robin for Todd I'm Tony Bursky we will talk again
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