Church and State - Natural Healing and UFOs with Dr John Waterman

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1:26Today on Church and State, natural healing and UFOs with John Waterman, Hello, Christian Patriots, and welcome to Church and State where we drive morality and religion over tolerance and apathy. And I'm your host, Caleb Collier once again, your favorite, far right shock-jock. And the show that talks about politics and religion, Jesus Christ is our referee, so it's always nice and clean. Real quick, let's point you to the website, churchandstate.media. Fill out our form here, our registration form, get our newsletter, bypass so much of the censorship, and of course, I personally call every one of you who fills this out. So if you want to talk with me, there you go. Also, check out our most recent episodes talking about UFOs again today. So, hey, the most recent episodes, we're also talking about UFOs. So, hey, if you're interested in that, from a Christian perspective, this might be the show for you, share it with friends,

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3:29at proton.me. With that, let's get into this. Natural healing and UFOs with Dr. John Waterman, our guest, has lived quite an interesting life from natural healing. He's fought against the vaccines, many of the mandates. But he's also been a researcher into UFOs, originally went to college to be an architect, but ultimately left that before he finished so that he could pursue natural healing and really the paranormal. He's also been a frequent guest on Caravan to Midnight with John B. Wells. Dr. John, it is a pleasure to have you on the show. It's good to be here. I appreciate you having me on. It's going to be fun. I'm sure. Absolutely. So, you know, the title of the show too, natural healing and UFOs. That's quite a mixture there. It might be oil and water. I'm not sure. But let's get into the natural healing first, because I'm a big proponent of this. I'm big on medical freedom.

4:33I tell people all the time to not take the pharmaceuticals. There is a plenty that God has created in his environment that will give you better results without the side effects. Why did you get into this? I got into it while I was in the corporate world because my mother died of cancer. And it wasn't like I had a bad job, actually. I would happen to be at what became sprint by the time I left it. It was sprint before that. It was US telecom. And it grew from about 1500 of us to 85,000 in five years. It was quite right. And I represented sprint. I wanted to help somebody with cancer after my mother died. So I asked corporate if I could represent sprint at the American Cancer Society.

5:33So they said, okay. And so I got on the board. I was only like 35 and everybody else was old like I am now. And so I was on the board the first year they were talking about cancer. And they said in this report, this annual, I just said there was a freshman on the board. And they said the growth rate of cancer is 2% more than the cure rate. And I said, how do they know that? You know, had so many questions. The second year, they said the growth rate of cancer is 1% above the cure. And I go, all right, we're getting, you know, I was looking for the next year to be like, oh my gosh. Now, why this was so important to me other than yes, it was my mother, but she was about the 10th person in my family to die of cancer. So anyway, I went to the third meeting the third time. And

6:43they had this report. I was a junior. I was a little more vocal by that time. And they kind of had me, you know, pegged and groomed out with a, I guess, one of me to act. And I still didn't fit it. And they gave up pretty much. And they said the growth rate of cancer. And this is the chairman reading the report is 5% ahead of the cure. And I jumped up and said, what? I mean, I was, it was like I was loud. And chairman said, I think we need to take a break. Okay. So I took, we took a break and I went into the, you know, out in the hallway. And there's a restroom out in the four year by, and I'm at their building. I'm at the cancer society's building. And I was standing outside kind of in the little four year in front of the boardroom. And this vice president came down the hall and he stopped, he's with the American Cancer Society.

7:49And he stopped. He said, you look pretty, you look pretty upset in there. I said, all I was. He said, well, you know, we don't have plans. He said, well, what'd you say? And he just non-solently said, we're not planning on curing cancer. And he just walked off. I, I didn't know whether to deck the guy or I went in the bathroom for a minute again. Okay. It's my, I walked back out and I said, these guys, they, they know they're not trying to, to cure it. Now, this is as the horse is mountainow on top of my, one of these things up here. I've got a plaque. I think that one right there for raising money at cancer. And, and I've got all those stuff. I actually threw those away. They got rescued by my better half because I was disgusted with the group. When I went, when they told me that in the hallway,

8:52I went back in the bathroom and I, I was very upset. You know, I grew up on a farm that was settled in Missouri. It was, okay, it was really early in the state. It was between the Santa Fe Trail and the Little Blue River. It was about 2500 acres. And they had a, a log cabin before they built this great big farmhouse. And so like my greats were very involved. And my granddad was a Marshall Missouri and so forth. My dad, by the way, ended up in Normandy invasion. But the, the bottom line was, I had a history of large, you know, picnics and stuff out at the farm. And the, what ended up happening was we didn't have those anymore. They were all gone. And I lost a lot because of that. So I walked back up to the doors. I had my hands in front of me

9:59to push the doors in. They were double doors in the, I just stopped. I said, I used to want to be an architect. And by the way, I interned for several years. So it took 12 years to intern. And then they passed the bill saying you couldn't become an architect or they passed, or the board did. The registration board didn't want anybody unless they went to college. And I did that, but I was interning mainly. And so they changed that. But I was recruited before I even finished that and was hired about four more times by the man that kept buying a company that won the last, the last one became sprint. And then here I am standing there really going, what am I doing? I really am not where I want to be. And I just about pushed the doors open into that boardroom. And I had several years at sprint. I helped start it. I had, I put President Reagan's office on the fiber optics. I

11:06I handled George Bush's economic summit in Houston on the long distance. And I helped develop through by the way an AI computer voice recognition system so you could just pick up the phone and say phone home. And we got it done through an AI computer on the 10th floor with Ross Bro and his credit computers. And by the way, this is the 80s. And we were using it. We'll get this AI computers AI language that doesn't surprise me at all. I mean, honestly, the technology that the public is aware of is at least a decade behind what we actually have. Oh, I was, it was blown away. They gave me a programmer and I said, look, I don't know how to program. They said you won't need to. And they sit down and they said, what do you need to know to make voice recognition happen? And I said, well, I'll give you a list of questions. He said, he said, that's perfect. So I gave him

12:06the list of questions. I said, well, are you ready? Well, are you going to probe? He says, this is the program. I said, I don't, I don't get it. He says, all you have to do is ask the questions. It's going to give us the answer. So we ran this for a few seconds. It cost us a hundred thousand dollars in the 80s. And it ran for like, I think it was six seconds. Can you believe it? Walla, Walla, we had this voice recognition system. It was so good. It ended up at that military base on the Arizona, Mexico border tracking cartel bosses. I guess that's what I heard. Tracking cartel bosses as we brought their products into the United States. Yeah, that's why I got me up saying, right? Yeah, I go, well, it didn't do very well, but no, it probably did. Anyway, I didn't know where it went after that. But anyway,

13:08so I'm standing there thinking of all this stuff. Okay. And I had a really good, you know, now I'm no muckity muck. Okay, at Sprint, I'm as high as you can go. I wanted to go. I didn't want to get into, you know, the corporate officer headaches. And the guy that hired me there had hired me four times every time he bought a new company. So I was like, shift and never really, I just kind of felt like a tag along. But anyway, bottom line, I had a good job, though. And I said, you know, we're here to make Sprint, Sprint's here to make money. And I'm no muckity and muck, but these offices, the kind of the carpet was real squishy. I said, man, this is like a mob boss lawyer, you know, and I said, take handling wall. I mean, this is better than my office. And I'm at least there for profit. And so I said, this is I, and when I, it just hit me, I said, here,

14:12they're not here to do what I think they're doing. So I froze about six inches from that door. And I said, I've had it. I've had it. All I ever wanted to be was an architect. Now here I am years and years later. And so I walked out. I didn't tell us so. I walked out of that building. I walked, I got in my car, went over to my office. I didn't tell us so. I just loaded up everything and I walked out of the building. That allow you into healthcare or to natural here. I mean, I respect you for your decision there, like realizing that the, the people that are supposed to be the biggest proponents for finding a cure for cancer were in reality, building the most vulnerable, the people that, you know, are desperate. And they're living large off of this. And you can see, and I've covered on the show so many times, there is cures for cancer. And I've had, you know, the B-17 people on here talking about that. So this led you on this journey towards trying to

15:16help people through nature. That's right. So I left and I, all I had in my mind was I'm going to save one mother, one mother. That's all I wanted to save. It was a long journey. I had to ask the Dean to give me an extra year. I was not prepared to compete with, you know, people a lot younger than me and to keep up the rigor of the schedule. Dean gave me one more year's thank goodness. Now I did pretty good. I did pretty good. Eventually after that, I left after I became a nature path. I got an offer to teach the honors program in Michigan in premed in nursing. And it was kind of a lot of fun because I brought to their stage in the medical world. And I wouldn't give up by the way,

16:21I wouldn't give up my clinic. So they, I only did ed, John. They wanted me long for full time, but I wouldn't do it. I wanted to stay in the clinic. And so, but they tried to entice me. They gave me an office with all the other full-timers and everything. And the adjuncts hated my gut. I said, look, a one-my-call. This is what they're doing. Not me. You know, don't get mad at me. Come on in. You can use my office if you want. But anyway, I taught that. And so what I would do. Hi, this is Dave Roberts. Heading into summer without a medical emergency kit, that's a risk. Summer colds can linger and getting sick on vacation can derail everything. That's why everyone needs a medical emergency kit. It includes doctor prescribed medications to treat common and serious illnesses. So if you wake up sick, at home or on the road, you already have what you need. It's like having an urgent care and pharmacy at home. Say $45 with code blue at urgentcare kit.com.

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18:21One more awards over its lifetime than any other SUV brand. Even the cheap grille or registered trademarts of FCA US LLC. Was I would get a little head of the syllabus and I taught anatomy and especially anatomy class. I get a little head of the syllabus boy they didn't like that. But about the time that they were really amoning I would stop and I wouldn't tell them that I'm going to do something completely different. Because in that environment every minute is so important you don't have time for stuff you're not going to be tested on. So I introduced the first the every every semester the first thing that I would show when I took this break was a video of royal rife using frequencies to kill microbes and it was called virus X and you know and so forth but it was cancer right and then we went through the story about him taking some stage 4 cancer people and curing them

19:22and and it was done with the blessing of the director of the AMA in Southern California who after that got murdered. So this was this has been a conspiracy against the real answers for a long time but I wanted them at the they're in their world to to know what was available. Does that make sense? It does. I wanted them to be able to understand what was optional as far as medicine. All right and so you're you're into the the natural healing and you're you're looking at cancer treatments and there's a lot of different options out there I would remind the audience once again that there are a lot of options people are having great effect with hypermectin for example you know some people are using cannabis frequencies which you have brought up but I wanted to ask you this because I want to ask you about the UFO thing because this is such a strange transition to going

20:27from natural healing to UFOs was it because of the conspiracy theories or the conspiracy theories surrounding treatment of cancer that led you into examining UFOs? This is kind of a hard and difficult topic for me because when I'm what I'm about ready to say is kind of hard to believe it's kind of hard to believe for me I was five years old and I was living in a house in the east side of Kansas City with my parents of course and I was in my room and here's what I think happened okay there came a monster in my room and I was by the way just like any other kid

21:32not quite yet old enough to go to even I was first grade level you know that that was what we're talking about here and I was sleeping on one of those steel iron bed that had the pipe over the top and it's a real heavy metal frame that had you know a mattress on it it was extremely heavy just a big oh heavy frame and this creature appears in the door and what I remember is that I was grabbed my leg and I put my arm around the post post of the bed that had the metal you know frame in the foot bed was the foot was also metal and I went like this and I was screaming in my head bloody murdered nobody came but I was pulled up in the air off the bed I wasn't gonna go

22:34that's this was just this is what I remember and the only evidence that I have that it isn't made up in my mind is that that next morning I woke up in the bed and the bed had been drug across the room and was smashed up against the door there is no way I could move the bed and there was no way I was going anywhere now I think I was divinely protected I really do I think there was an attempt I have in the past drawn a sketch of the whole thing and it ended up at move on and all that stuff I don't know what they do with it I'm not sure that we can even trust them but you know that's the way it goes and it really was kind of in the back of my mind for a long time but the next night

23:38I was downstairs and it was time to go to bed they said you know usually and I said I'm not going up there my parents go what you know and so I told them and then they began to connect the dots I don't want to go up there the bed was dragged across the room when she woke me up she says what are you doing in the bed here and I said I didn't do this you know well obviously I didn't move this thing it was huge and so I wouldn't they could not get me up there so my dad said okay I'll sleep on the couch I said I want to sleep on the couch no no you sleep on the floor well the second night I had to sleep but I said I don't want to sleep on the floor anymore it says well you've got a chance choice here you can go up to your room and I said no you know I was very adamant about doing that it wasn't long after that that we moved and I think it's a lot to do with that

24:40that's when we moved east of Kansas City onto the family farm at the time it was handed down through the family so the reason why you got interested in this is because you had an encounter an experience with and from my perspective a demonic entity is what I would point to I would think that's yeah and and I appreciate that and you know like I've shared with my audience before I've seen a UFO myself there's a lot of people out there that doesn't make us strange or conspiracy theorist there's a lot of people from from all walks of life who've experienced either encounters with aliens or with UFOs so this I guess led to a kind of a lifelong interest for you into the paranormal it did and I I kept you know my mind wondering what the heck's going on and I decided to begin exploring what this all might have had and it was during my

25:48my kids adult years that one of them called me and said dad he was a trucker and by the way he had clearance so he could do hauling of things that were not you know the need clearance so he might be hauling stuff from an airbase in fact he called me one time and I said I'm hearing jets taking off he says yeah dad I'm I'm right at the end of the air the the base here and the jets are taking off now I bet you hadn't heard about what this was he said dad dad they it was on the east coast and he said dad they've gotten a threat there's a nuclear bomb and they're emptying all the jets and the warehouses and I'm here to get all the stuff out of the warehouse I said great you know those guys can get out pretty fast but anyway he was going down the road in his truck with a load and he calls me on the phone he said dad dad

26:49there's a yeah it is it and he's kind of breaking up a little bit and I said what's going I says there's a you won't believe it dad there's there's a UFO behind me I said he said I'm going to check I said what are you doing he says I'm stopping I said don't get out don't get it and all of a sudden I'm talking to him and I can't get him and I can't get him and I can't it was an about it was about an hour and I kept calling and I because I mean you know I've already been through something and I knew this was potentially real and so I kept calling and calling and I called him it took about an hour he answered the phone and he says uh I said I said where you been for the last is what do you mean he did not know that he had been missing for an hour now that that's such a common story sir I mean so many of the people that I've

27:51talked to that have had these kind of encounters there's a time lapse where they don't remember that's right he had this now this has happened twice and I don't know but I think I'd like to kind of tell you what I think this is when before Adam was made it appears that there were probably by the way the earth was the crowning jewel of God's creation the crowning jewel likely Lucifer who there was the cherub that covers right before he fell had a position of authority on this planet and when he rebelled there was war and heaven and God you will read this

28:52and you can read this in the Bible and and that the earth is God's footstool so after that rebellion the earth came from its glory and peak of creation I mean this is his pinnacle of creation it goes and becomes his footstool okay and of course Lucifer was not allowed or not supposed to be going to planet earth right and so he restored the planet earth probably from some pretty bad destruction and we talked we see after verse two that he begins this you know creation event probably to replenish the earth there's a lot to be said now about this because now it's not it's still his footstool we see that Adam was created and he began to notice that other

30:03other people had wives and he goes wait man I want a wife right and so God took from his body his DNA to create Eve and the reason by the way Eve fell and sin entered the world and why Lucifer tried through deception to make this happen he picked why he picked on E first is kind of you can miss it real easy but I think I've got to answer you real quick here because I and I apologize to the audience and to my guests but we've hit that hard break here real quick I guess it's a great teaser though if you want to come back and find out why hey this is Caleb Collier with church and state I'm here to tell you about Hunter's blend coffee I got to tell you I absolutely love this stuff I'm all about the dark roast Hunter's blend coffee black powder doesn't that just sound like deliciousness and rebellion I got to tell you in America we don't drink tea no we drink coffee it's

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35:16why does god give him a mark uh so that everybody will be able to identify him who does can go and marry who does can go and build a city for like these are all questions that are not answered in the bible john may have a theory here that might work go ahead sir well what happened in my opinion uh bump that sorry uh was that um he made eve for adam okay he didn't make her lower them him she wasn't his boss they that wasn't the re they were equal okay this was not any lopsided a you know a relationship here this was uh help of meat okay and apparently there were other creatures similar to humans uh that had partners and he was upset you know i lay i'm i'm alone and uh so um i i think you know with the uh uh theories that they say the black race and the

36:21chinese race are older than uh the white race that might actually have been the the ones that were born or put on the planet before adam wise okay and so when lucifer came to tempt them uh it's you know he fell because he wanted to ascend the sides of the north okay well here's where the planet was when it became his foots do you'll think of your head as usually point in north and so his foots do it went meant that the earth went south and so that meant that he was going to ascend again into the north and take take over right but uh what ended up happening was he came to earth to attack the creation of god the father and when he did uh he didn't pick on Eve because she was

37:21weaker she he picked he said surely thou uh god has not said that will die if you partake and the reason why he used that phrase that phrase and that attack was it wasn't heard that god told not to partake of the food adam you can read it it was only adam that was told that by god and then god relayed that to Eve do you see what i'm saying so this dude called the devil walks in and says hey Eve you know adam may not be right surely god have not said you see where i'm going now and that could cast a doubt because she wasn't told directly by god not to partake it was adam's instructions and the reason why she got in trouble and became punished for her you know and that adam was made over was because he had told her that's not what we're

38:23supposed to do according to god but she did it anyway so now she's been punished with kind of so speak being put in subjection to her partner and they were in sin right they were uh then found to be you know um naked and guess what god kills a lion to cover their flesh right to cover their nakedness which is representative of Jesus the lion and the tribe of Judah covering their sins right that's all that whole thing right and so what ends up happening though is this and the way i like to look at it uh and by the way uh i haven't cracked the nut open i'll do it real quick i worked on the stardust project with nasa and i've worked on the lago project with kip thorn out of caltech to work on gravity waves and through that uh we've got a lot more we can talk about because that's where they're getting uh the the uh stardust project is is what has resulted in chemtrails okay they don't

39:32want to tell you why they're hiding it of course the deep state and all the players that you you know running around out there like the musk of the world they know what that mat what ended up telling us and uh i can get into that some other time but the bottom line that i love to talk about is the little war well big war that resulted from genesis 315 right and what that is about is that uh we have something where the bible says he put emnity or hate between the edamic man and the seed of lucifer now the seed of lucifer we often times always and in fact i did myself thought of the other fallen angels but wait a minute wait a minute those angels are not

40:32the seed of lucifer no are they no so i went to look at the lineage of adamant and jesus both of of read him into bible i guess what guess who's not in adam's lineage if you read it canes not there that's right all right so what was cane why would why would eve have to go tell adam hate by the way i had a i have a child from the lord why why would we why would we want to have why would she have to tell him anything he should know but she told him because it wasn't him she's letting him know the lord gave me a shot now the lord's capital it's you know not lord got almighty but definitely a lord you know the even you know kings in the 1500

41:37to the 1200s they were called lord right sure well i lucifer's got a position in his little realm and he's a lord and so she was letting him know gosh i've got this guy from the lord and when you hear jesus speak he said cane was a liar from the beginning and hit was his father that gave him you know made him the belay he's been a liar ever ever since he and it was because he was of lucifer so i'm going wow so so so he could have been the first of the nephilim is what you're first now here's something we we got to get back to now let's talk about okay so he made adam and eve lucifer's been kicked out of heaven along with his buddies one third and we're talk we're told that there's an innumerable unnumberable amount of fall and angel's so that means one third of one of unnumerable is a lot of people okay a lot of angels kind of chose poorly you know and by

42:44the way they don't need calculators to add and subtract these angels are brilliant they are extremely intelligent probably i can imagine what the iq even adam would have been but they don't have to run around with a calculator to get their math done okay like some of our famous scientists and so they knew having lived in that fourth realm that we can't see they know the laws and physics of the universe and what they are and can manipulate those and just like you and i can see into the second dimension we can see a line on a piece of paper we can manifest ourselves on that paper by the way take a pen put a dot on it we've showed up in their dimension in that two dimensions right and uh so just like our three dimensions and they're from the fourth they can manifest into our third dimension and poke little probes in

43:50there too and see what it is sometimes when we see these orbs we must remember what might be behind the orb that might just be the landing pod of a great big ship or some sure so it's just or it could be a portal we don't know what it is but we know that the fallen angels have mastered the physics enough to know how to go from their dimension into the third dimension like we can go from our third into the second when we write on paper and stuff so we have no way though have you ever seen a letter pop off the the paper well i don't mean metaphorically uh but letters don't come off the page right so they can't manifest 3d uh and yet we're stuck in that kind of world we're in the three dimension we have not been given the ability it's fall in jeep country and during the driving to fall sales events get a great deal on four by fours that refuse to be

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45:52confidence built into every drive with the most awarded SUV ever jeep grand Cherokee and freedom that can't be denied with the open air freedom and jeep gladiator after 85 years it's no surprise that jeep became america's SUV brand get a great deal during the jeep driving to fall sales event jeep is one more awards over its lifetime than any other SUV brand jeep and the jeep grille register trademarks of fca us LLC to be 3d or 4d the angels are in 4d they can be in 2d they can be in 3d and so they can come and go in fact that's why god gave adam uh he was given dominion of the land in the sea in the air and that's all not space in fact god said if you go to space if you try and put your nest in the heavens i will bring thee down which was what was going on by the and babelon they were launching into a domain they were not supposed to have dominion over by that time of course there was a lot of bad guys a lot more probably than good guys i would guess

46:56or a lot of them anyway enough to do stuff and so when apollo 11 went into space by the way their patch is a eagle with a nest laying it on you know the moon and here is a verse in the bible it says like an eagle you will descend from earth and put your nest in the heavens and i will bring you down why because that's not our domain god gave adam dominion over everything but not out there why well you're going to run into some creatures out there that you're going to have problem with so i can protect you stay in your domain because we'll take care of that later right when we are perfected likely we're going to have a roundup of guys and you and i are going to be involved in that i think that's what i believe i think this is a really incredible theory and and i let me just caution the audience you know these are these are some subjects that are not obviously canonized

47:58right this isn't what the church is going to be teaching but i don't think it's wrong for us when we explore our Christianity to ask these kind of questions and to come up with theories is this something that separates you from the love of god and the grace of Jesus absolutely not but it's fun to go and explore these types of conversations and i mean honestly like to me it edifies me to explore this you know maybe you're wrong maybe maybe there's a totally different theory that we haven't discussed on today's episode but i still believe that it edifies a point to god the creator i can i i like to look at it like this god we have something called the adamic covenant well what's that right the reason why adam was redeemed was because he didn't do what lucifer did lucifer didn't have another guy come in and say hi i think you'd like this popsicle you know it didn't happen that way lucifer said okay i'm tired of this i'm going to take over you know

49:05that was within him and it came out from inside of him and so when he was judged and condemned and the war happened in heaven so to speak there was that was it judgment's over you've you've it's too late you can't be redeemed so lucifer's looking and his hordes are looking for redemption and they were probably trying to figure out how can we integrate with the the adamic grace and order to inherit this because in in the redemption it's the uh called the adamic covenant it was his seed and any of his project prodigy all of his uh children could inherit now that doesn't mean you immediately go to heaven it means you got a ticket to be offered to live forever with Jesus Christ

50:07now you got to make that train and that train you got to volunteer it yeah exactly god didn't want chatty cathedrals where you go i love you i love you know he didn't want that he wanted you to choose he's giving us free will it amazes me that's even there and so now we got it yeah i hate to say this but we're at the end of the show here um i i'd like to point out to the audience that uh i've read the book of e-knock and the book of e-knock is actually they talk about the redemption attempt by these fallen angels that's actually what e-knock is to do he's a mediator between the fallen angels and god uh so once again not canonized but a fan fascinating book to read uh dr john it has been a pleasure having on the show i want to point to the website uh simply your health dot com uh obviously this is just with the natural healing there's a lot more that you go into but at the very least uh they can check out your website uh but sir i i really appreciate your time we'll have to

51:08have you back i know we barely scratched the surface uh so we'll have you back and we'll have another conversation but thank you so much for joining us on church and state thank you very much for tolerating the old tales here i guess i enjoyed it thoroughly i think i think the audience will as well uh all right well i'm gonna go ahead and close us out thank you sir uh church and state hey look we are exploring different topics we're having a whole slew of different guests on uh and i i think you enjoy that i mean this is the things that interest me i'm not a one trick pony i'm not somebody that's just going to talk about government tyranny over and over and over again let's have conversations about UFOs let's have conversations about alternative theories uh regarding adam and eve in the creation of this world i hope you enjoy today's episode church of state is brought to you in part by colonial life book and independent agents finders insurance and mark37.com i'm Caleb callier that was born for a storm

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