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Hey, what's going on, guys?

I got a great podcast for you today.

Today, I'm joined by a returning guest, Guy Anderson,

the writer of What's Your Book Called Again?

What's your name?

I've read out.

Tesla and the Cabbage Patch Kids was my first book

that focuses on Salteria, but I've written two scenes there.

Yeah, Guy and I have had a couple of really good conversations

on my channel and as well as his.

So maybe I'll leave the links,

see if you guys want to catch up on some of the old stuff.

But that's exactly what we focused on the last time,

talking mostly about the world fairs and the Cabbage Patch Kids.

I think we could probably get back into that

because I think that topic really never gets older.

We talk about it a lot, and a lot of times

you just scratch the surface of those topics,

but we really haven't gone too deep in any of that stuff.

It's such a deep dive, though, Joe.

I mean, we could talk for hours on it,

but the interesting thing with the Cabbage Patch Kids

and the connection to human cloning has now blown up

because of what Epstein has been up to.

It wasn't just the nefarious activities on the island,

but it's Zorro Ranch where he was making Epstein 2.0

at 20 at a time and popping those out.

So it's really blown up.

I'm curious to see what you found,

but I know I did a stream with my buddy Brian

who goes by Demon Racer's on his channel.

He was showing that,

so one of, I guess, one of the famous paleontologists

or whatever dinosaur researchers was named Jack Horner.

And so Jack Horner is kind of like in the Jurassic Park series.

He's kind of like the main character, like depicted,

but Jack Horner is like the real historical man

who the movie's based off of, like, you know,

I forget the guy's name in the movie,

but yeah, he's the guy who is,

they're digging in the dirt, some rich man comes

and says, come check out what I've got on my island.

And of course, it's funny how it's an island.

We got Epstein Island.

And it turns out that there was connections

between Epstein and Jack Horner.

And so Jack Horner, I think one of his big discoveries or whatever.

I mean, I said I think the dinosaur stuff is mostly silly,

but that he now said that dinosaurs came from birds.

And then he's kind of like floated the idea

that they all had feathers and things like that.

But what Brian and I were focusing on was the idea

of like Jurassic Park.

It's like this idea where they're trying to bring back

extinct species of things like dinosaurs.

And of course, like in the research we do,

we're like, well, can this connect to the idea

that maybe they found Gilgamesh's tomb

and this is they found some old DNA from some kind of a giant

and that's exact.

You know, it's almost like this is cover

for trying to bring back an extinct animal,

but they're really trying to do is bring back like super people.

I think you're right.

And of course, we had the dire wolf reappear last year,

didn't we?

I can remember the name of the company,

but they've got the dire wolf.

I can tell you what it was.

I think it was called.

It was in cutel was working with some kind of company.

What was it called?

Has someone do like Hercules or something like that?

I want to say like I did a video about that a long time ago

and it was about how the CIA was using one of their

past three companies called Inkutel

to fund this crisper technology.

And so there's stated goals at least what,

of course, I was laughing about it when I was doing the video.

They were going to try to bring back

Tasmanian tigers,

woolly mammoths,

and dire wolves.

And then supposedly we saw those pictures,

but it looked like an AI picture of a dire wolf.

But I just thought like what would be the interest

of a three-letter agency to bring back

extinct animals when the real meat of the story was,

this is crisper technology, this is gene splicing,

this is mad science.

And yeah, and I remember it was like three years ago,

now maybe four years ago.

I was tying that back into the idea of,

yeah, again, Gilgamesh's tomb.

And then you find in like the WikiLeaks dump

that they're talking about Mesopotamian kings

that were 17 feet tall and all that kind of stuff.

I think the company was, I think they're called Colossus,

or it's something like that.

Oh, yeah, that's right.

I knew it had something to do with the Greek mythology.

Yeah, okay, you're right.

I think that's right.

A very strange thing happens to me.

I was at a wedding in the summer,

and I met this musician.

He apparently is quite big in London,

and but he also, as a side hustle,

he presents marketing videos for big companies.

So we'll go in and film an interview,

directors and scientists, and key personnel for PR.

And he had done their PR work.

He actually works with their offices in London.

He works with Colossus,

and he started talking about the dialogue

and said that they have done it.

And they are now working on a woman, will he marathon?

But it does beg the question, as you quite rightly said.

Why?

Why are they doing this?

Why?

For what purpose?

Are they going to build a Jurassic Park?

Are we going to see one?

Yeah, it wasn't in the emails.

They were talking about cloning,

like chimpanzees or something,

some kind of a primate.

You know, that, I mean, to me,

that's always like the,

okay, they present us with Dolly the sheep,

right?

And like, this is what we're cloning,

you know, dumb animals.

But it's kind of like that,

just like you would maybe test stuff on lab rats.

The whole point is you're testing on them on rats,

so then eventually you can test them on humans,

because they have some kind of a similar physiology to us

that that's what the real goal is.

And so when they release the idea of we've cloned this,

what they're really trying to do is

bring this technology to our level and

use it for that.

So by the time they release information about this,

it's likely already been done a long time ago.

Absolutely.

And this is something that I often ask people,

what do you think happened the day after Dolly the sheep?

The day after that she arrived,

what do you think they did next?

Did they tick a box and say, well,

that's it.

We'll go and do something else now.

They clearly were leading to where we are now.

That was the beginning, wasn't it?

And having researched cloning for a long time,

the only scientist that have ever thrown a spanner in the works

with regard to the possibility of it taking place

have put it down to ethics,

not that it can't be done because if you can clone a sheep, you can clone us.

And if we look at the story in the Sumerian text and the Epic of Gilgamesh,

so they're suggesting that we were cloned to start with and produced on mass

and then the cabbage, patched babies and so on.

An Epstein was clearly doing something at Zorro Ranch.

I actually have my own suspicions on what actually,

ultimately he was trying to achieve.

But they were impregnating 20 girls a day, as young as 14 years old,

with the seed of Epstein.

And that there are apparently now hundreds of people wondering around

as a direct result of what he was doing.

Oh my gosh.

You know, there was a really interesting documentary on Netflix,

The Wife and I Watch at one point.

And I want to say it was some kind of a doctor that worked with women

and couples that could not get pregnant.

And I want to say it was in the United States and Indiana.

And so the story goes is the fact that he was, you know,

introducing this sperm into these women.

And even when they had like a couple, like they could not get pregnant.

You know, so if you think about like sperm donors that,

well, if you have a couple, right?

Like somehow, I don't know, I guess the way God intended is not working.

So they have to take the sample from the husband and put it in the wife

and then they can have a baby.

Now, and then there's the other cases where these women do not have a significant other

and they just want to get pregnant.

So they're going a list of sperm donors.

What turns out this guy was actually using his own samples almost in all cases.

And so yeah, the story goes is this, this one woman kind of found that out.

And then she was going, oh, I think, I think it was might have been through like 23

and me, one of those kind of DNA testing, you know, companies.

And it was showing you like your kind of family tree, like who's in here.

And the more they were doing it, I want to say by the end of the documentary

that they were saying that there was maybe 170 people that likely were brothers and sisters.

And there, and so this is just one case.

But that is not, that was not an isolated incident.

Like this is happening in other places.

So yeah, if they were doing it, what you're saying is true.

Well, yeah, it's quite possible that this is a widespread type thing.

Yeah. And my theory on it is, and I've heard about that.

And that's, I don't believe that's an isolated case that this has been going on.

But my theory is, you've got Epstein's Island, you've got all of these rich and powerful people,

some that we could would consider in theory to be of a higher intelligence to the average person.

And may have certain skills and attributes that the elite or the parasites may want.

What if they were having sex?

The condoms are then used.

And the DNA is taken out of the, you know, the sperm from the used condom without the person's knowledge.

And that they are creating some kind of perfect in their eyes, some kind of perfect person,

perfect being that has certain key attributes.

It may be that, yeah, and by no means am I putting any of these on a pedestal.

I'm just saying if we follow the narrative and what we're supposed to believe,

then let's say that it had the technology mindset.

The technological mindset of say Elon Musk and Bill Gates had the presence of Donald Trump.

You know, all of these people that personally I can't stand.

But, but let's say that that's what they were doing.

And you take elements from each without necessarily their knowledge.

And then back at Zorro Ranch, they're making some sort of cocktail together,

taking certain elements.

But they're all going to pop out looking like an Epstein.

But there are certain parts of them that, you know,

enable them to become pioneers or dominant in certain fields.

And I wonder if that was actually what was really going on there.

That's interesting.

So, of course, what you're saying is that whether we believe these people are superior,

they certainly consider them superior.

So the point is like, what you're saying is like, yeah, what they're saying is because they

believe that, you know, we're cattle compared to them.

So, you know, it's interesting.

I don't know how much you, you followed like old 80s cartoons in America.

But I don't know if you heard this idea.

So this story in GI Joe, like the, it was a comic book and then it became like a cartoon

series, probably mostly just to sell toys and it was propaganda for kids to want to join

the military in America.

But the bad guys in that show were, we're, I think I'm drawing a blank here,

Cobra. So they're representing snakes, right?

And then the main character, like the main bad guy used to be Cobra Commander, but eventually

he failed so much because the good guys always won.

The, their scientist, Dr. Mindbender had this crazy idea where he was going to go comb the

tombs of all these ancient rulers, like until the Hun, Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar,

Napoleon, people like that.

And he was going to take all their DNA and he was going to make this perfect ruler.

And yeah, that's the story of what they called them, Sipentor.

And then later in the movies, they went back and they said that there was this secret

race of people. They were kind of like anti-deluvian people that hid under the mountains into bed.

And they, after the last apocalypse, they were actually pulling the strings behind what

everyone was doing. And they used something I want to say, it was called a psychic emitter.

And it was like this little spider. And so it bit the scientist. And that's where he came up with

the idea in order to basically clone some perfect man to be the leader.

It, it, that, that's absolutely bizarre. No, we didn't get that here in England.

I haven't seen that. I've heard of G.I. Joe and I know, no adult, but I, I didn't know that it

actually ended up becoming a, a TV series, but isn't strange. And, and picking that particular place

as well.

Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, these people were just like, you know, of course, in my eyes now,

like I remember watching as a child, I just, it's just so weird. It was kind of a cool idea,

but these people are, they are kind of infused with reptile parts and they're superior to us,

superior intellect. They're got super strength. It's like this is a story of like these nephilim

that have kind of dug in. And they're kind of waiting for their time to return, to reemerge.

And so, yeah, the, I think the interesting part is that that show was very formulaic. You know,

like I said, it was mostly designed for propaganda to sell toys. And then so that kind of storyline is,

is really kind of weird for like a, you know, you think about like a cartoon for like little

children, little boys to watch. I mean, this is obviously going way over their heads. Like, what is this

about? But like those, that story is like so specific that there's just some comic book writer,

just come up with that. Or is he getting ideas from Operation Mockingbird and three letter

agencies are saying, Hey, this is, put this in there, make this seem not weird. Because this

happened, you know, because this is a storyline from the, the 1980s. So we talking game method of

revelation, but they're actually showing the same plain side. Yeah. And I, I, I, well, right. So,

yeah, so like you tied that to the idea that they found the tomb of Gilgamesh and it's like, so

who better to clone than a 17 foot giant? I mean, like he's, like, that would be some interesting

DNA to see what happens, right? Yeah. And that, that's, that isn't just plucked out of the air.

I mean, there were memos circulating that were lead from Hillary Clinton talking about this.

And I, I did an interview with someone maybe a year or two ago. I can't remember his surname,

but Michael Jay. And he was doing quite a bit of podcasting back then. And he was actually one

of the military security at the site of the tomb of Gilgamesh. And the claims to have watched it

being lifted. He was there. So he says. And so, yeah, I, I, I, I think like you quite rightly

said, if you're going to pick the DNA from someone, a 17 foot red-headed giant that can tear a lion

apart that that had this great, the only thing he really ultimately desired was immortality.

That was really his, his sole quest in life, wasn't it? To, to, to find immortality. I believe

did he lose his best friend? His best friend died. And, and from that moment onwards, he,

he never wanted to face death again. And then spent the rest of his life trying to achieve that.

But there were, there was a bit of footage. There were images that circulated off the tomb.

And, and they'd opened it. And there he is. This red-headed, covered in gold,

giant of a beast of a man. But I do enjoy that. I've just come back from Paris. And they had a statue

of him in, in the Louvre. It's, yeah, it's incredible. And there he is holding this lion. Like it's a puppy.

Like it's a kitten. Yeah. It's totally insignificant in comparison. So he's, you know, he's just

this incredible. But, but stories of giants have existed since time immemorial. They, they,

they go back to the very start. People claim that Noah was an enormous being. Yeah, I want to say

that the seven-day Venice believed that the first men were giants. I don't really believe that

Biblically because I think that they would have been a pure stock. You think about like all the,

the genetic corruption that we probably suffered over the last couple thousand years versus

if you believe the biblical story that got created at him. I'm sure Adam was, was not a perfect person.

But I mean, like as far as people go, like he would have had no genetic corruption. The food that

they would have ate would have been pure. The water they would drink would have been pure. Like they

would have had no reason for probably lots of the illnesses that we suffer from. So I think that

that's certainly true because I think when the Bible does mention giants, it's like this is a

new sect of thing. This is a, this is a abomination to God. And so not only are you getting DNA from a

giant, but if you believe the biblical story where the giants came from, you're getting DNA from

a divine being. You're getting it from a son of God of angel. And so like that's really where it

comes down to is like the idea of maybe that lie from the serpent in the garden. You can be as God.

So if like you're related to a God, again, that always comes down to the idea that there's certain

people who are have a divine providence to rule places. And you find out these people are all related

to each other. And that's the thing that keeps on coming up is the fact that if all the presidents of

the United States are all related to this king in England named John Lockland, all these people

are cousins. And then so you really think about that. If every president had a cousin or it's

cousins of each other, well, when you start to get to like cousins removed, like how many other

of their cousins are in power and pop, you know, in powerful positions in their CEOs of

gigantic corporations and things like that, these people are, it's an incestuous thing. Like,

but we don't, we're not privy to that. And that's why like, you know, George Carlin famously said,

it's a big club. And we're not in it. Yeah. We're not, we don't, we're not blue bloods. We're not

of that stock to be able to be put in these high authority. What do you think that actually means

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Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, that's my theory is that so the Bible says in Genesis 6 that the

Nephilim or the giants were in those days and also afterwards when the sons of God came into the

daughters of men. So you think in the biblical story, it mentions Nimrod in the Septuagint. It calls

him a giant. So I believe that there was like a second incursion. Maybe at least one that

another angel came down had relations with the woman had a child likely was Nimrod. And so

it talks about I think in Genesis 10, it talks about that all these cities were founded by Nimrod.

So a lot of them were in the land of Canaan. So if you think about when the story of the Israelites,

they go into Canaan and they have these fortified cities. They have the sons of a knock. They have

the Amorites, the Zuzemin. There are all these different giant tribes there. And so it makes

sense that like, you know, even just understanding how how do you set up a kingdom in some other

place. Well, typically it's through some kind of a marriage, right? So you might install your son

there, Mary, a woman who's there. And now you have a kingdom. And it's related to this very powerful

king Nimrod who goes by another name of Gilgamesh. Gilgamesh. So Gilgamesh is related to some kind of an

angel. And so that I want to say I read a book called The Illuminati by Jim Mars. And this,

they were he was referencing a book. I think it was Fritz Springmeyer wrote about the 13

bloodline families. And like the Rothschilds and people like that were claiming to be related to

Nimrod. And I want to say that the Windsor family and also the Bush family claim to be sons of

Marduk. So Marduk is the Babylonian name for Zuz or Jupiter. So if you really think about it like

that is like that. If these people, whether it's true or not, they believe that. And again,

that's why they have the power to rule over us peasants. And so it's kind of like the idea like

that you and I could maybe get lucky and make a ton of money. But we're like not ever accepted

into this club because like it's we they say because it's new money. But we're talking about

it's not necessarily new money. It's the fact that this old money comes from generational royalty.

And that's why like you'll never be part of this club. So usually you think about like the

Robert Barons in America. And you look around like who's still related to a of Rockefeller or

Vanderbilt. And these were powerful families that came from Europe to here. And like you're not

related. So you can't really ever be in this club. I think that's what it's about. So I think the

blue blood likely is them them believing that they have a genetic lineage back to angels or gods.

Yeah, I agree. And Billy Carson's done a lot of work on this saying that

Marduk was an Anunnaki and and also known as Arman Ra. I think Billy Carson's sort of put

that out there a few years ago now. And suggesting that the Ra child's the children of Ra are the

Ra child's which morphed into the Roth child's and that they have this divine right to rule that

they believe that they go back to the most powerful god of them all. And the most powerful ruler

that we've ever had in the realm and that everybody else is basically a slave. A parasite almost

even though I believe they're parasitic by definition. They see us as leaf beings that our

sole purpose was a slave race. And that we still are today. It's just the slavery's represented

symbolically through wearing a shirt and tie, you know, collar cuffs and a leash.

And the you know, the debts that we live with forever paying debts that goes to people that

never do a hard days work in their lives. And I do believe that they, whether or not we believe it,

they certainly do. I think that they consider themselves an entirely different species.

But with regards to the blue blood, you know, my thought or question, I guess Joe, is

is it possible that their blood group is one that we're not aware of? And it's called blue blood

because it is different to ours. I mean, these people carry their own blood supply. Don't they

when they travel? Is it because they cannot use ours, even our age negative, our age now?

Is it completely different? That's a great question. Like I said, I think it's more of a genetic line.

But, you know, I remember my buddy Brian was talking about this. And if you think about

just the way our veins look, you know, like if you're really fair skinned, if you see your veins,

they do look blood, look blue. You know, and I remember that like it was like almost like a old

lifestyle where kids we said, Oh, before your blood is exposed to oxygen outside your body,

it's blue inside there. I don't remember. Everyone used to say that. Yeah.

Obviously that's incorrect. It's the color of your veins. But, but like you could imagine if there

was this line of people who were more fair skinned. And that's might have been where the name kind of

derives from. I think about even like, yeah, like biblical angels, they would have probably been

really fair skinned. And so, yeah, is it possible that that's where like you could see the veins?

And you're like, Oh, these people have blue blood. They would have read the doctor they did.

Yeah. Yeah. You're right. And I'd never actually thought about it like that. So, so we're saying

that the fair of the skin, the more prominent, the blue, the blue veins are going to be.

And this, this kind of ties in perfectly with what we've been told. I like that, Joe.

I'm going to store that in my database for later. Yeah. Well, if you think about it, like that

giants are often said to have red hair, you know, redhead people are typically very fair skinned.

You know, certain people like in the north, northern Europe would have blonde hair, fair skin.

And so maybe when you hear even like probably a Billy Carson might talk about the peladian aliens

and these people, they're the Nordics. And are they related to them because they have the same kind

of the features that they do. I mean, I think I think it makes sense is that that again, it's not,

we're not saying this is true, but we're saying like, this is what they believe. And based on

their actions, it makes sense. They actually believe it. I want to ask you about something. I don't

know if you've seen this show. I don't know if you've seen this show, but somebody told me to watch

a show called Foundation on Apple TV. Have you heard of that show? No, I haven't.

You got to watch it. You got to watch it guy. This would be your jam. But I'll tell you kind of

the, just a little synapsis of it. So it's a science fiction show. And it takes place like

in your 12,000 something. And there's basically this intergalactic empire that like rolls over

the whole universe. And the kings or the emperors of this empire are all clones. They're all

clones of the first emperor. And there was a Clion the first. So they're all named Clion. And so

what they do in this show is that they show that there is like multiple version, multiple clone

versions of this original Clion the first because they're always having like the next clone

ready through, you know, when it's time. So they have a baby. Then they have like they have like

three thrones. One of them is they call it brother Dawn. And he's he's usually a child. And then

brother day is like the mid ruler. He's like a man in his prime. And brother dusk is an old version

of himself. And then so there's three thrones, but they they have like multiple versions of

himself as they age out. And then they go, you know, go to be with the ether. But I was like that

is really fascinating because they were showing the cloning tanks of all these emperors. But it's like

they have they are of one mind because they have all the same features and they all the same

intellect. And then they're continuing to teach them all the generations of the things that they've

learned over the last 400 years or something. Well, I don't have Apple TV, but I now need to watch

this. Don't I I'm going to miss it. Absolutely. See it. Yeah. Yeah. With with with the the whole

blood and and the red hair. I've been looking into that recently as well. And I was looking at the

backs and also the Gwanshez from the the settled in in Tenerife. So what I did was I looked at

where Plato everybody's got their own opinion on on where Atlantis was. But if it's where Plato

described and you look at the nearest landmass or the other different land masses to where it sunk,

then you would be pointing at the Basque region of Spain, the Canary Islands, Tenerife in particular.

And then you would be looking at sort of southern Ireland maybe going towards sort of Western Scotland.

And so I did some research into the masks, the the early accounts and the Gwanshez in in Tenerife.

They are the highest population of our age negative in the world.

Their skinned blonde or red hair with blue or green eyes. Living in areas where that wouldn't

actually fit. What we're told about what to expect in those places if we follow evolution,

the story of us, you know, evolving to meet our environment. Still today the Basques represent

the highest number of people with our age negative, red hair, blue eyes, blonde hair,

if then anywhere in the world. But yet we're told that they're just some sort of anomaly.

But I don't believe that. So looking at the fair skin, the red-headed giants,

and then looking at our age negative and the traces, sorry the roots of that tracing it to

possibly Atlanteans. Could that be where these blue-blooded, red-headed giants originated from?

Are were these the the the people that ruled Atlantis?

Yeah, no, I think I mean I think that if Atlantis was a real place, which I think it was,

I think it's really interesting the story just even again, like if you kind of compare it to the

biblical text in the book of Enoch, the story of Atlantis told by Plato from Solon was that

Poseidon or Neptune founded this land. And then he ruled it through his sons,

like it's named after Atlas. And so Atlas is a demigod. All these

kings were demigods because Neptune and Poseidon being a very powerful being the brother of Zeus

or Jupiter. And so he has these sons with regular people and they rule over this place.

And so the story goes is that the divine spirit started to dwindle in this place. It was very great,

it was very advanced, it was very like high society, like they they had the best of everything,

but eventually the genetic corruption set in the divine spirit was dwindling and then it became

very corrupt. And then it needed to be judged with a flood. I mean of course if that's not a

complete allegory of like what it was like in the days of Noah, it's like that's the sounds exactly

with the book of Enoch describes is that these giants eventually consume the whole earth,

they're cannibalistic and then they're awful. But what's interesting, what doesn't often get

talked about in the story of Atlantis is that they were battling against the Athenians who were

of similar stock and they were related to the gods too. So it wasn't just isolated to Atlantis,

you have these demigods, you have demigods in Athens as well. So I mean I think that,

I think it's a, I often wonder if some of these stories are before the day loose,

anti-deluvian, and then when these people pass these stories down like who really knows exactly

when it was and then they are saying they're direct descendants, but they might be talking about

their descendants of this land before the days of Noah or during the days of Noah.

Yeah, yeah, you're exactly right. And we've got no way of knowing. I mean I'm sure the

information is somewhere, but it's not at hand to us. But people want to believe that,

when I first met my mother-in-law, which was 30, Krike, 31 years ago, she said to me that she was

Atlantian. Now this is a woman that if you met her, she's just, she's 80 years old now,

she's just, there's nothing unusual about her. I don't mean that in a deregatory way.

Everyone's amazing in their own way, but what I mean is she's not fantastical about anything.

She's not a conspiracy theorist. She's not much of a reader, but somewhere along the line,

because she's our age negative, she had picked up on her being Atlantian. And

when I said to her, what makes you think that you're originally from Atlantis, that your bloodline

is from Atlantis? She said, well, I'm our age negative. But I never asked her who told her that.

Where did she get that from? But she probably believes it. So there's something there,

and that's why I traced the RH negative. I looked for the most populated areas of RH negative

in the world, and then looked at the pattern that you would follow if you were fleeing.

Atlantis, and it was where we were told it was, if you just literally, you're on a ship,

and you're heading to the nearest land you can see in the distance, then it hits those three

places. And I just wondered, you know, is there something more to it than that? Is RH negative

Atlantian? And are these red-headed people that typically have RH negative blood? Are they

also somehow connected to Tarteria? Are they the people that shared the knowledge,

the information, the understanding of sacred geometry, harnessing tilleric energy, and so on?

Is that where the information came from? Did some people actually venture from Atlantis?

We have the Basque region, but then they travel. A lot of them ended up in Africa as well,

but nowhere near as many as Basque, for example. Is that where this came from? Is Tarteria

an echo of Atlantis and are the red-headed people with RH negative the descendants of the survivors?

Well, you know, I want to say what's interesting is the stories, I want to say of the Native Americans

in South America when they talked about Amaru, or they talked about Quexal Quodal. They talked about how

there was these very fair skinned people with beards showed up, and they said that they escaped

some kind of a flood. And those are the ones who were passing on knowledge how to do things to

the people in the Americas. So I mean, that story sounds like, yeah, many people obviously,

like on an ancient alien show, they would have said, they were clearly talking about Atlantis.

I mean, the truth is, I believe now, more strongly than ever, that when we see some old maps of

what the world used to look like, they're five or six hundred years old, I think it looked a lot

like that. I think that there's lots of evidence that that islands and mountains have completely

collapsed under the earth into the ocean, mountains turning into lakes and things like that. I think

that's a real phenomenon that's happened over the last, you know, 2000 years. So that story could

have been from that, or it could have been a much older story. Again, like you have, you know,

how many generations of people are telling the same story, and then we don't know exactly where

this story originated, and they don't really know either. They just know that their grandparents

told them this story, whose grandparents told them that story, and then how long ago was all this

stuff passed along. I mean, when you look at the pyramids and things in South America,

nobody really knows how old they are. Nobody really knows who did them. Because even the people

there didn't take credit for it. So it's like not saying like my parents built this thing,

my grandparents built it. They're saying, no, giants did this a long time ago. When they,

the natives were living inside the earth, which I think is very suspect. But if you want to talk

about the Basque region of Spain, Brian and I have talked about that there's mythologies of this

Gentile people, which sounds often awful like Gentile, but it's Gentile with the J. And when you see

what these people supposedly look like, they don't look like people, they look like the wildman

mythologies in Europe, they look like Chewbacca. And there is so many weird megalithic structures

around Spain that are not necessarily like the most, what's the way to say it's like not the most

complete exact like temples and things like that, but they have all these Dolmens massive stones.

And so in these mythologies about these Gentile giants, like again, you get maybe the term Gentile

giant from these things used to be able to hurl boulders and do all kinds of things with them.

And there was also something I looked up a while back. It was called the Stonehenge of Guadapurral.

So there's this like a literally like Stonehenge monuments, like they are sometimes submerged by the

water. I think that they recently became, I don't know if the waters receded and they were visible.

And it's funny. Have you ever watched like the Conan movies, you know, with based on a comic book?

Yeah. Yeah, Conan was like, I want to say that he was supposedly related to the Elantians

in the in the mythologies of Conan. And there was one scene in the very first movie, they have this kind

of big battle toward the end. And they're all around all these, you know, like a Stonehenge looking

thing, all these just megalithic stones that are straight up. And the, I want to say like the

mystic guy, like the magician that Conan's friends with is telling the story about how there was

giants and kings who once ruled in this area. And I, and I believe that the movie is trying to

depict the region of Spain that we're talking about. Like that's what they're showing.

We could also throw into the pop mode. Because, yes, you know, that, that, that, I believe,

that that, that, that was an incredible continent. Huge, that literally span across the world,

and what we've got left of it today are the Easter islands that the rest of it is submerged.

So, you know, but in almost every culture in the world, there are stories of people arriving by,

normally, by, from the water, sometimes from the sky, that share this technology that enable

them to become more, more advanced that, that teach them agriculture and, um, and how to

construct using sacred geometry. We hear that same story repeated, don't we, across almost every

civilization and culture in the world? But the problem is, like you said, um, here in England,

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So there's a place called Stoney Stratford and an oddly enough I used to live very nearby,

literally about five miles away. And there were two pubs, two of the oldest pubs in England.

One was called the cock and the other one was called the bull. Someone would go into the cock,

have a few drinks and they would, you know, cock as in cock for all chicken and they would,

they'd have a few drinks and then they would they would hear a story. Someone would share a story

with them and then they'd go across the road later on in the evening to the bull and they would

repeat the story. But after a few pints and a few whiskey chases, the story had changed slightly

and then somebody from the bull would go home and tell their wife the story. The wife would tell

one of their friends the following story and by the end of the week the story that was circulating

was completely different. A little bit like Chinese whispers completely different from the original

story because it's lost, it's only looted and and embellished to a certain extent and that's

the problem that we have, isn't it? That when things are orally shared that each time that happens

in each generation that passes we have this thing that I believe is connected to the word grades

that you can have a great reset, a great flood or a great fire or a great war. And what then

actually represents is similar to your great-grandparents and your great-great-grandparents,

the information dilutes, the memories forgotten and great is representing a reset, the reset of memory

and of knowledge. And so what my great-grandfather told my grandfather is slightly different to what

my grandfather told my father. That in turns different to what I told my son and my son in

term will tell his son a slightly different version of events. So the story that my grandchild

now tells his friends is completely different to the one that my great-grandfather started with.

So great, I think he's used in reset, so I think it's used in countries where we had tart area,

then great, then tart area changed, great artery. We had Britain, well we had England, then we had

great Britain. And I think that this is connected to the reset of memory, to wiping a generation

of knowledge and memory. So you can almost start again with a blank sheet and the people that

remember how things used to be along gone. Yeah, you know it's interesting you say that. I was going

to say one thing to say that the oral tradition is likely what you just said, but at the same time

what's worse than that is if somebody writes down a lie and now that's the facts and we look

up the old book and it says this is what happened and that's not what happened. So I think that's

exactly how history is used today and what like famously again if Napoleon ever existed he said

that history is a set of lies agreed upon. Who was the other one? I want to say it was some

philosopher said history is great if it was true kind of a situation like that where like history is

used to manipulate the masses and but what you're saying I was funny I was just reading this book

I found a really fascinating book. I know my it might be as not as interesting to you but I think

you'd probably still find it interesting. It's called American antiquities and discoveries in the

West. It's a reprint of a book from 1833 and it was actually talking about the idea that

Alainus was a real place and it was possibly how people could have visited America easier because

there was a continent that was way bigger than you kind of told based on even the stories. It's

not just like this little island it's like a massive continent that is between Africa and America

so again it's not the travel is not as different but I never realized that Solon is like 400 years

before Plato. The way we're told the story is that that that Solon is the one who got the story

from the Egyptians and he got it from some island that was in some kind of a in the in the

Nile like it was on the Nile like there was an island there that these priests of Egypt were

and so 40 years later Plato's telling the story to the Greeks. This story is really old and passed

down by the time he gets it. So again like how many of the details are actually legitimate versus

he's fell in the blank he's telling a good story so we don't even really know. No we don't

no we don't but then with regards to the 408 gap where people living a lot longer than they are

today I mean they people do believe that don't they if you look at the Samaritan kings list and

and again the people that are featured in the Bible our lifespan seems to have shrunk dramatically

so could it have been that 400 year old Solon is sad to look into Plato.

I mean yeah when you get really after the flood it's interesting like the how the Bible tells

the story is that I want to say that Noah lived like 350 years after the flood or something like

that like the Bible tells like he lived he lived a long time and then his son Shem where you get

like the the semites from he lived well after the flood you know if you if you believe what the

Maseretic text says and actually I'm more inclined to believe what the Septuagint says about the

the genealogies the Septuagint the genealogies are much longer these people like had their sons

well after they were well aged so you have these people and you think about like that the genealogies

in the Bible like we often just hear about this one son but then you don't hear that the father

in the son overlap and he overlaps all these other sons they were born so the stories might have

been a lot more yeah it's less it's the game of telephone there's a lot less players in it passing

the story down yeah so the real question is yeah is this them trying to say this story is more

modern but it's actually a story from the anti-theluvian times but the truth is there was giants

after the flood so there's definitely where did they come from so we always have to speculate

about that it's interesting in this book that I was reading and I was actually spending I was just

gonna make a little video about this that when the Europeans came to America this is what it's saying

that there was a professor named Ralph and Esk and he wrote this and I thought this was really

interesting I think you might it kind of fits into what we're just talking about it said

the Americans cannot have sprung from a single nation because independently of languages

their features and complexions are as various as in Africa and Asia it's of course we're

led to believe like the Indians were all red people right and then but it says here it says

we find in America white tawny brown yellow olive copper even black nations as in Africa

and it says also dwarfs in giants handsome and ugly features flat and equivalent noses thick and

thin lips so this is what this guy's saying this is what they found it and I said you know what that

is exactly what I'd always thought I said we're led to believe that probably because of

all this kind of anti-white propaganda it's like that the white man came and he was dominating

colored people but I said it doesn't make sense that a place as big as America is only got one

complexion I said it was probably a multi-ethnic place like most places are you talking about places

big as North America and South America it's like they're massive places and if so people could have

journeyed here in it whatever way but of course the fascinating part for this discussion is the

fact that it's saying there's dwarfs in giants here yes do fit the native mythologies about there

was giants here as all places have mythologies of giants yes but this is actually saying they

saw giants when they got here and I think and I think that's one of the things that really drives

me nuts about the way we're taught history in school is that you have all these explorers from

Europe and so where we get a lot of their greatest feats from is their own journals well explorers

like Magellan Americana Vespucci and Columbus they wrote about encountering giants in the Americas

so it's like you you're trying to say that this is true this one thing that they did but we're

going to discount this super interesting thing that they talked about also in the same document

so it's again it's like that's like a lie by omission we're not going to include that part because

that's we don't really want you to know your true history no and they don't too they don't

and that that is what this is all about isn't it and I think that that was the reason I strongly

believe that the the origin of species the work by Charles Darwin you know the evolution of man

I truly believe that that was financed by the Vatican so they had control of an alternative

and I don't buy it at all I don't think that we you know we were flapping around in the mud one

moment and then you know five minutes later we you know we are what we are now and in literally

the if we look at how old the earth we are told the earth is in the blink of an eye look at what we've

done but also then if you look at the technology as you know with regard to progress we go from

fire to inventing the wheel and agriculture and so on to literally doing nothing for hundreds of

years then all of a sudden we have the industrial revolution we have electricity five minutes later

and then by the time I come a long way we're on the moon I mean right you know that's a stretch

isn't it but but why aren't enough people questioning you know this stuff you know why

why is it just people like me you and the people because they because there's people who just

think it's crazy to to try to look into settled quote unquote facts but they don't really realize

that that the history of like the last two thousand years it's so murky and it's so shadowy like

that that it's most of it's not facts and I think that like a book like this is very telling

because I'm not saying that I agree with everything that's written in this book and I'm saying that

a lot of it is speculation and theorizing about particularly the things they were finding in

America the the the the the mounds that they found all around the Mississippi River and all the

weird things and it was actually talking about dilapidated forts they found so you're talking

about in 1833 they're talking about dilapidated forts that it's not like they you know like these

people would have known who built them if they were American forts but they're not acting like

they weren't even saying that they're connected and this guy was actually theorizing that they

could have been Roman forts which I I love that idea because that's what I've been saying that

the Greco-Roman architecture around the world could be come from hello the Greeks and the Romans

or them are both but I just think that the way the book is written it's like there would be no

need to theorize in this book in 1833 if there was a complete historical chronology that was

reliable then but they're they're coming to a very mysterious place of questioning things now

the only thing now is like that if you question these things it's like you're a cook it's pseudo

historical it's pseudo scientific because we're questioning things and we don't necessarily believe it

but for the truth is that's the way it's been and if like I said if it was settled fact then

there would this book would not exist but it's not like he's even quoting like with the mainstream

sources probably because there wasn't a mainstream public school in America in 1833 so like explain

all this stuff we don't really even know it's all mysterious so in 1833 he's describing

in particular you mentioned the Mississippi so he's describing an area around the Mississippi

where there appears to be evidence that things have been buried destroyed hidden

well there was there's all these mounds and I and I have to look it up exactly how many

mounds there are but I think that at some point back then they were digging into the mounds and

they were finding all kinds of skeletons there's finding so many remnants of humans in them

that a lot of it would have been like the amount of mounds doing the math about how many people

would have been there the native population that the Europeans encounter when they got over here

in no way could have represented all the amount of people buried so the book is theorizing that

there was a civilization before them and that's who's actually buried in those mounds and then there's

these forts that are represented around there that there's dilapidated ruins of these old forts

and in you get it in 1833 like the way we're told is lots of these forts were built

some of it was based on I want to say it was like the kind of the third I forgot what they

called it like the like the third foundation of defense system that that America employed after

the war of 1812 and so this is where we get the story of why there's star forts in America

but what it's kind of sang in this book and this is what I was kind of getting from what he was

saying that that the Romans built their forts in a very certain way and they built not round walls

they built very you know straight walls with turrets in different somehow used came in on a different

yeah it kicked me out there's something it doesn't like that we're talking about I just got kicked

out and I had to come back in again okay okay you're good now there's only one of you

oh so what it was saying is it sorry Joe okay you're good now we're good oh so it was saying

that a lot of these other civilizations they built their forts like in round walls but like the

Romans built in a very I don't know like hexagon type shaped and square fortifications where they

had towers and turrets on their for their defenses all around it and they built camps on the

insides of them and I was like that to me sounds like he's talking about star forts yes like you

know because they have these gigantic courtyard areas and he said they would either put their tents

in these camps and then sometimes they built a temple in the middle of it and I was like and I

think that that's what it's saying that there was a really interesting story that you know so we

have in really close to me is the first established British settlement in America is Jamestown

where at least we're told that but there was one that happened before that that you get the the

mythology of the lost colony that that was in ronoke island so that's probably about I don't know

60 miles to the south of here somewhere in the outer banks of North Carolina and there's this old

man I want to say was it John White I believe was the captain or the the leader in the in the

the ronoke island colony well he leaves there and he you know he goes the story goes as he goes back

to England to get supplies to doesn't come back for three years when he comes back three years later

they're gone there's only like kind of a weird scrolling on some tree that says um

crow a tan and then some people have theorized it the native scottam or something

well the interesting part about that was that he mapped out that territory real well with the rivers

and all the bodies of water in the land and there was a patch on this old map and I want to say it

was from like 15 15 or something somewhere in that range and there was a patch over part of like

where there was this river head and like they used light are some kind of a scan to find out

was under it and it was a star fort was under it so now there's no star fort there but I mean

the point is like that if this would have been early 1500s there was a star fort there already

then I think all the star forts in America are much older so yeah that this speculation in the

book is yeah that it was it could have been Roman settlements that were here and there's the one

those are the people who are buried under those mounds that were not allowed to dig in to find

what's in there or is the Greco-Roman tart area could they all be tartarian and we're just calling

them Greco-Roman style because for them to have been Greco-Roman then we're resuming that people from

Greco-Roman were in America oh well yeah for sure I mean I don't know I mean I guess that

what evidence do we have that grand tardy was older than the Roman things I just don't I guess

that's the thing I I'm kind of going based like Biblically that we have the great empires

described in the Bible we have Babylon first we have Persia we have Greece and then we have Rome and

then so there's no mention of the Tartars but truth be told there was people there and I think I

don't know just I mean this might be simplistic but I think based on the way that I kind of view

like the pyramids the pyramids are evidence of a connected society doesn't mean they're all

definitely under one rule but they're all connected so the Greco-Roman architecture being everywhere

to me makes sense that it likely was a Greco-Roman origin now grand tardy was I think

the best way I've read a little bit of history and researched a topic this came afterwards

you know this is grand tardy obviously it's on all these old maps if you read these books like

I said if you read this book it talks about the Tartars and talks about that empire it actually

has some really interesting ideas that the the Hebrews the 10 lost tribes of Israel likely merge

with the Scythians and then came to grand tardy so that the Tartars were could have been in part

part of the 10 lost tribes of Israel yes that's interesting because like you know I I've traced

of being connected to the Scythians as well but they were a major fundamental part of it yeah fundamental

part of the civilization but I'm just sort of sort of one thing that that is interesting is

with regard to Star Force even the Smithsonian institute say that they do not still today understand

why they were built in the way that they were because they described as defensive fortresses

because we know that there's so much more than that but even that I've got a book on defensive

fortresses of America and there's lots of references to the Smithsonian's in it's a Smithsonian

publication and they state themselves that they don't know why they were built in the way in which

they were now that's a strange statement to make isn't it but the other thing that's interesting about

the book you're currently reading is that it's seen 1833 and that that's only 22 years after the

the New Madrid event where the Mississippi you know the impact of it the quake was so

severe that the Mississippi actually run backwards it caused mud floods and complete devastation

I wonder if that could have been the period of time just 22 years earlier where a lot of this stuff

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listen to podcasts explain me um you know i've i've heard of the new bidrid account but what exactly

was that was that a great earthquake and kind of in the middle of america yeah yeah the new

Madrid yeah they call it the the new Madrid events and it went from 1811 into 18 as well

and people's people that were that that were present stated that metallic objects were flying

through the air so in their homes they would have metals sticking to metal everything became magnetized

um that um domesticated animals were becoming wild you know ferocious and attacking people

and what you would consider to be wild animals were coming in they were trying to access people's

homes for shelter the Mississippi changed direction changed course you know flipped 180 degrees

and and everything that sounded problematic yeah and everything flooded you know and caused mud floods

so this is the the new Madrid event and i and i just wonder when you said 19 18 33

you know that's that's 22 years after this took place 20 sorry 21 22 years later

that this guy is talking about the Mississippi and what's and burial mounds and so on

i wonder if that quake does the the new Madrid event that its sole purpose was to bury as much of

the previous civilization as possible or remnants of right you know it's funny you brought up the

the Smithsonian not really understanding what the true purpose of these star forts were did you ever

see that show true detective no the lot of people are talking about it now based on kind of the

Epstein stuff coming out the first season with Matthew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson

no no it isn't no but obviously here in the UK we get sort of different slightly

programs some of them are the same but we don't get everything you get there

i would recommend that show it's really interesting especially with the stuff going on yeah again

with these it has a lot to do with um child trafficking essay stuff lots of satanic ritual abuse

instances that's what the show is basically about so at the end of the show they have this kind of

final showdown it's based in Louisiana and the United States and it's it's based on i think this book

series called the yellow king if you ever heard of that in carcosa i want to say it's um really kind

of really weird weird stuff but they have this battle at the end of the show and it's in this place

that they're calling carcosa and against this is based on this book series but what's really

interesting i looked it up because now like i said with different eyes i watch the show again and i

noticed that wait i mean this is like a star for it this is taking place at and but of course it's

super dilapidated and i was like that is really weird so i looked it up and so they said it was

filmed at this place called Fort McComb in Louisiana and so the story about this is just hilarious

like all these things are i'll show you a couple pictures first but like this is what they're

showing in the show and this is where like they they have this final battle in this place

oh wow the first thing you brought up we're seeing red brick but red brick that is to have been

scorched red brick that is now black you know predominantly black and i wonder if you

were to scrape some of those the black bricks whether or not they were all originally red and

i wonder if that is the result of a significant event something of an incredible heat

burn those you know but you know i don't know what but you know a direct energy weapon or some

sort of fire or explosion that's done that that's incredible as well yeah but if you look at

so what the history says of this place was that it was built in 1920 it doesn't really give you

amount of time it took them to build it but again this was supposedly based on the idea that

you know we fought the british in 1812 and this was some kind of protection things and it was

obviously on some kind of little island or on some body of water but i guess i think just think

it's hilarious that it says this is the story how it goes it says that um in 1867 the barracks caught

fire after which the the fort was largely abandoned by the u.s. army and was decommissioned in 1871

so they built it in the 1820s and in 40 years they abandoned it

that was like it was abandoned right there's yeah that thing looks like it's really susceptible to

fire doesn't it yeah that happens quite often with brick doesn't it i mean it's funny like

don't we make fireplaces out of brick i mean it's like there's part of the reason we use brick

is because they don't melt yeah so i mean obviously stuff inside of it could have caught fire but i

mean based on our own military in the way we do things they you're not going to abandon a fort

after 40 years like so what was ever the purpose of it yeah yeah exactly it wasn't even like used

for like the civil war or anything like that and i think there was a really interesting book by uh

John Levi and he wrote a book about the i think was it something about um evidence of the old

world and he was talking about star forts and if you actually look at the history of these forts

like especially during the civil war because that's pretty much the only time they were ever used

for any kind of a war they lost they were they're they're failure rate was spectacular

like so if they were ever built to be this completely fortified place that would have been really

hard to take they never worked and there's so many of them around america that it makes no sense

especially especially in the book it it focuses on i want to say it's like fort san francisco it's

like right near the gold gate bridge and it makes no sense that they built that at the time they built

that at because like we're worried about the british taking over san francisco or something i have no

idea what's going on but they don't work as a defensive fortress in the same way that the great

wall of china doesn't work as a defense against um you know for china as a as a defensive structure

it only works if you're protecting yourself from china as it faces there and and why would the

need be when you're building a star for if it's a defensive structure for it to align to constellations

why would it need to vibrate internally at 432 hertz i mean is is that part of a military strategy

that we're not aware of so but like you said they they appear in places that were were not

experiencing you know invasion war or you know opposed uh had uh all the british empire

posed a threat to so it doesn't make any sense but because you're most famous one of i think

there are 319 declared staff or still uh in in the world um there's one actually not a million

miles away from me literally an hour in the car but um the the statue of liberty of course

is sat on one and what's interesting is that the whole back story to that is uh is incredible

and you've got a cornerstone laid by the grand master of the lodge of new york the masonic

lodge of new york and i and i think that that was putting ownership on something that was already

there um because i looked into where the alleged construction of uh the statue of liberty and the

starfall is sat upon and do you know what amazing if you look at the narrative we're provided

to how these things are constructed with rope and pulleys horse and cart hammer and chisel

not a single hospital admission connected to the construction of that starfall all the statue

of liberty is recorded and i'm thinking that was built when we were told it was how many people do

you think accidentally hit themselves with a hammer fell off a ladder uh or or a drown

drowned died none the same is true of lighthouse is there's not a single reported um uh

act votes uh both being sunk despite being smashed into rocks you would imagine um all built by

fishermen of course no deaths um nothing until nothing whatsoever so i i stopped looking a little

while ago at how many people do they think built this and who was the architect and i started looking

into hospital admissions uh in the areas of these constructions because you would associate

something like a starfall or something like the statue of liberty or a lighthouse even having

some sort of the odd fatality at least um you know and certainly the odd broken bone and cap

nothing not for anything whether you're looking at pen station the statue of liberty anything

until you can't appear no hospital admissions that's i think is is where we um you know where we

could look a little bit further with with regards to these things because it just doesn't stack up

does it i can't put a shelf up without putting it you know without hitting my hand with a hammer

right you know i mean you you've been in construction for a long time i'm sure you cut yourself

yourself hurt yourself yeah yeah yeah but the statue of liberty stood on a starfall

nothing not even a bandaid applied you know and i think that that's an area we could look into a bit

further yeah it's hard to believe you know here's the interesting one i said i found this the other

day i think it's interesting on the the subject of starfords this is showing over here it says that

lidar study reveals previously unknown fortress and so this is a previously unknown fortress

unknown fortification has been identified in in Clem County eastern Poland following a study using

airborne laser and scanning other remote sensing techniques so how did they uh misplace a starford

like how did it ever get lost yeah and of course you go in to read it's saying that this thing

was likely used in the 17 18th century but it's like but how did it get buried under the ground

yeah because if you see right here so here's like a picture of like what that looks like

so you're only seeing the top of it here because you see that only looks like that's i don't know what

that's it's like four feet up but i mean if you see all the other starfords they're very tall

yeah so this thing is well under the ground now

hmm yeah that's what today the surviving earthwork rises to about two meters and covers

is it point five hectares yeah i don't have no idea what a hectare is that i guess it might that might

be is that an acre is that anything like a like a acre it's several acres but i don't know the exact

amount it's several acres i don't know that just cracked me up though that they lost this starford

in Poland yeah like how how did they how did they ever lose it yeah and where did the where did the

mud come from because i don't know if you know they're like the narrative to the you know we talk

about the mud floods and the reason that they built up the road levels and so many windows are now

you know almost 80% of them are buried just the ones we can see you know we don't know how many

floors down we we could possibly be going but they say that that he's just litter rubbish

detritus over over hundreds of years there's built up to an extent where there was so much rubbish

in the streets and and modern and what have you they just tarmac over the top of it they they built the

roads over the top of the rubbish so that would suggest that these people that lived in these

incredible buildings in the middle of you know cities and beautiful mansions and it just take New

York for example if we you're walking down you know that if you're walking through New York and we're

looking at some of these you know some of these mansions that the reason that these windows are

partially buried is because the people that lived in them were waiting through rubbish to get through

to their front door right exactly rather than clear the rubbish they actually raise of you know

raise the road and move the front door up a you know up a level rather than click so so they're

wearing all this finery they're living in a mansion and I heard that is everything okay there

yes you know the wearing all this finery but what they're not prepared to do is

remove the rubbish from outside their front door they're going to wade through it

and then eventually after so many years just cover it in tarmac really it's it's income it's

incomprehensible you know the one thing that I've been talking about recently about the possibility

origins of the mud flood for one I think it could be multiple things that cost things to get buried

and because we see modern phenomenon that causes mud floods still today I mean obviously it's very

isolated but when you see like a grand scale of the amount of things around the whole earth that

are buried I just couldn't help but think when we tie it to that year 536 that the sun went dark

for 18 months you know now modern scholars they try to suggest that it might have been through

volcanic activity that there was massive super volcanoes injecting all kinds of ash into the

atmosphere and then I just thought about it when related to the story of Pompeii in Mount

Vesuvius so there's there was two towns there was one it was obviously Pompeii but then there was

also I want to say Herculean or something like that some kind of another Italian town yeah oh really

yeah yeah Herculean oh yeah I can't remember it either Joe but yeah

yeah but there was in these accounts of these places the these places were buried in as much as

like 70 something feet of ash so what if a lot of the mud flood came from the sky that's where

it you know so there was obviously changing of coast land coastlands coastlands so they would

me obviously lots of sediments moving through their rivers or changing but yeah if you have all

this sediment that's coming down because what we're told about Pompeii and that other town

is that they were very well preserved in this ash and so that's the thing that originally

that some people were speculating that that the mud flood was this one massive worldwide earthquake

and you had liquefaction and things sunk down into the ground and that I think that that could have

been partially what's represented with the mud flood but something never really something I

never really shake was the idea that so many of these buildings are so well preserved because if

the earthquake was that powerful you would see a lot more destruction you'd see a lot more ruins

and less perfectly preserved buildings that are just buried but I think that makes sense if ash

rained down in these places it just buried parts of the things and eventually got so packed yeah

it's not trash on the streets it's it's ash it's sediment so you couldn't remove it all I mean I

guess they couldn't they didn't have the means to get rid of it also they just said screw it we can

use these places underground we've got we got basements now yeah yeah and I'm guessing in some areas

the ash would have been hot which would have resulted in the roofs being damaged but in a lot of

places it wouldn't have been it would have cooled before it reached you know before it reached

back down to ground level it would have cooled wouldn't it so they could then just build over

the top of it but that would explain it Michelle Gibson believes that so I don't know if you've

looked absolutely yeah there was another really interesting story um a Roman historian named

Pliny the Elder wrote about and they're saying 178 or 17 AD but I don't think that these dates

are reliable at all they were talking about there was 12 cities in Asia Minor that were literally

um sunk into the earth in one single evening because of a great earthquake so I think that some of

the towns actually you mentioned these are like modern day turkey were sardis and also Phil Delphia

which are two of the churches talked about in the book of Revelation that are going to face judgment

well I mean Phil Delphia said to escape the hour of testing but it could have been the people

survived but the place literally sunk into the earth so I think there's there's a lot of that

too because obviously a lot of the things that we we find from ancient Rome are ruins and we're

really not ever told how things were destroyed the way they were because if you see some Roman

things that are perfectly intact explain why the other things are just pieces and a lot of these old

Roman towns are had to be excavated and then people went back and tried to put up pillars and you

can see you can see very clearly they tried to reconstruct the town based on what was left of it

and then some places are well well preserved like like Pompeii

yeah yeah you're right but this is why I was mentioning about Michelle Gibson I don't know

if you if you've looked into her word but she believes that the the grid was spiked at various

points where ley lines mean that they have spiked the grid and that's using direct energy

as plasma or something and that is what calls localized mud floods very strategically done

key locations to cause you know these mud floods so you could you could literally a little bit

like short circuiting an electric board you know circuit board that's what Michelle Gibson believes

actually took place so she's certainly worth looking into a works fascinating yeah that's an

interesting idea because we have identified the idea of those lichtenberg figures from like satellite

images it looks like electrical patterns have just fried something you can see lots of them out

west in america yeah but the the problem is we just we we're always dealing with partial

information aren't we having to sort of like join the dots ourselves and we're not necessarily

always getting it right but we've got nothing to compare it to we've just got lots of people's

theories and and you know my hope is that one day that's not the case that will be presented with

truth someone somewhere we'll we'll tell us exactly the true history of our past but for now we

we have to theorize so much don't we but but yeah well i'm not counting on it no i don't but the

thing is that like you quite rightly said why don't enough people question the fact that whenever

we're watching over here we have a tv series i don't even know it's on still i'm watching tv

yes but it was called the time team and they would find an ex they were excavator site it was

typically Roman that's intended to be what what they were looking for and no one ever

knew why they were having to dig so far down you know why are they digging seven feet down

you know where did all the mud come from you know because it might may well be that some people

could believe that it was detritus that it sort of magnified over a period of time to a point where

you've got several layers of it several feet of mud and all sorts of sort of rubbish and junk

okay i don't buy it but i can understand some people might accept that but in the middle of nowhere

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you know a field in the middle of nowhere excavating a roman villa that is you know 10 feet

below the surface of the ground and no one at any point is saying where's all this mud come from

you know how many people had to tread in mud and tread over the remains of this roman villa

for it to actually represent six feet and it's the whole field you know and people never actually

ask the question i've i've said the exact same thing i don't know how many times i said

nobody thinks it's weird that they found some roman mosaic under some farmers field

i think that that makes no sense at all but nope but again we're not really told about that and i

said that's it really only became like a big deal to me when i found the cities that are represented

in the book of revelation and that though they all were buried under the ground and then that

then i realized no this is a phenomenon that's all around the whole world that everything's buried

this old and particularly all around europe there's just tons of roman things that are buried

under cities and just nobody even questions the fact that they are trying to connect some some subway

tunnel and they find a roman bathhouse under the ground because that to me is it doesn't doesn't make

people curious but the answer is most people are not curious about any of this stuff and and i think

that's like a situation where i have a problem with the mainstream narrative when they don't even

try to explain it otherwise they just try to say it was like so what does just build up over time

where like literally cities became on top of older cities like that is that's nonsensical to me

i want to shift gears while i still go have you here i wanted to hit this one topic

so i had this kind of like an epiphany because i was talking with my brother they did this AI video

showing Epstein like it was Epstein going around doing all these selfies with all these famous

people and politicians did you see the one where like they go into the white house and then there's

all these presidents and there's a short bite and then there's a tall bite and you know so of course

a lot of people have talked about sometimes it looks like these people are wearing masks but historically

we know that famous people had doubles you know like in order to potentially protect them from

assassination and so that just got me thinking about the idea in the movie the prestige i always go

back to that movie so interesting that yeah that i thought you know what so what we see is we see

three types of different ways to make people look like other people right so you have

christian bail has a twin brother and he does this trick because he has a twin and nobody knows

he has it and he's so dedicated to this one trick that literally these guys are sharing the same

life the same woman and everything like the the brothers and nobody knows and then so Michael

Kane's like oh he's obviously just has a double and then he's like no no that that's obviously

that's the only way you can do this trick so then they find Hugh Jackman a guy who looks just like

Hugh Jackman to do the same do a similar trick but Hugh Jackman's not set he's not satisfied with that

so then he has to go to Nikolai Tesla and he literally finds a way to clone himself

and so i started by the way isn't it yeah yeah David Bowie plays Nikolai Tesla when i was like

dang i was like i thought i kind of knew what the movie was saying but i was like isn't that kind

of interesting like when you project that idea to the world stage and when i when i where my mind

started to go was okay so that makes sense that you could easily have doubles of these people

and through plastic surgery you could make somebody look pretty close to what somebody else looks

like if they're you know if you got the same plastic surgery so that could certainly be what they

were doing also cloning is a real possibility that they can do that and they we know that they're

trying what ability do they have to clone it's it's uncertain but the thing that really kind of

struck me the thing that i was really stuck on was that we have these stories and i'm not sure

and this is all alleged i guess but Joseph Mangala you know the famous Nazi scientist from

Germany goes to South America and where he's supposedly working with like infertile people or

like in some kind of in vitro situation where he's trying to help people have babies well there's

an abnormal amount of twins and triplets in this area and so i started to think like and he was

probably likely doing that for a long time in germany too and so just think about like the idea if

what if what they're showing in the prestige is the idea that a lot of these people have

their twins and we don't know that they're twins and that could be you know that because like

would there wouldn't there be a purpose that they were working on this this technology to create

twins and maybe this is the the higher level of understandings what they were trying to do was

create clones but do you think i really like that and it's it's interesting isn't it because

IVF normally results in a higher probability of having a twin or a triplet

so so yeah and and and also there is that fascination that they had in germany that the SS had

with eugenics they were looking at that constantly weren't they but but why i mean people think that

it's connected to a master race but that that's not the Aryans that so that i've studied but

when it comes to Biden of course we got the was Jim Carey playing him you know our people wearing

body suits there's the story of it's a Gucci mane who was i think he was in prison and

somebody else was asked to wear wear the suit the actual you know put on the the the the

filmed costume skins of him and present themselves it seems so we've got the possibility of plastic

surgery a twin or a dopp or a doppelganger and i'm sure that that is the case i think the the famous

artist in the the former chancellor of germany in the late 30s and early 1940s allegedly had

his doppelganger services butler his butler was his body double and would appear when he

couldn't or didn't feel safe enough to do so so what we don't know do we are are they

those are they clones are they are they twins so are we thinking that Biden had you know had had a

twin or or was one of you know one of three we don't know do we but we've seen the footage i'm

sure you've seen it of Jim Carey kind of yeah well there's no question i did a video while

back and it was this woman who was i think she was on some kind of daytime talk show and she was

talking about she worked with the the CIA and she had somebody to do with like the master of disguise

and it was showing like that you know they have like just like in mission to possible these people

have masks that are that are hyper realistic and if you see like i want to say that they're

famously Michael Jackson did that where he like dressed up like some old man he had some mask on

and he was completely unrecognizable there was recently i want to say it's some kind of comic-con

that Brian Cranston who plays Walter White in the show Breaking Bad he was wearing a Walter

White mask and he was going around taking pictures with people and then he eventually gets up on

the stage of comic-con he takes it off and of course he's he's he's literally his face under that

face and it's like i mean it was a it you know it was it wasn't realistic because i think most

people thought it was somebody wearing a uh Walter White mask but it was still pretty realistic so

like what what capability do they have and of course in mission impossible these people look

it's totally legit i mean i know that's a movie but that's exactly what this woman was

describing that that's what they do so i think that that's the thing it's like so i started to

wonder that like so what if this twinning program in south america if you had the ability to

replicate people and if the if the goal was to make twins well could you delay the progress of ones

like maturation or could something be stored that was going to be a twin later you know what I mean

because that makes me think of that show foundation where you're like that you have stages of these

people where it's almost like yeah if you had a twin of yourself it's like it's not you know it's

obviously it's not the same person but they look exactly the same and they're of the same stock

and then eventually they go on to fill the same kind of roles later in life yeah yeah i like that

and of course there's also the possibility that they are both born at the same time but one of them

is crygently frozen right you know to be brought back at a later point there is always that

possibility if you had someone that was born to be famous or powerful or to rule then it wouldn't

be a bad thing to have a backup you know but but then I I I personally do believe that the

cloning has been going on for a very very long time I think that's you know we we're here you know

when I first started talking about cloning the only reference point I really had was Donald Marshall

and I sure most people have heard of Donald he was the first person really to speak out about this

in any way and then since then we've had the odd celebrity like Kevin Hart actually publicly

announced that he's been cloned and the rapid kid booze say he's been cloned and and we don't

know whether this is PR just a bit of fun or they're telling the truth we can't possibly know

but one thing's for certain if they can clone a sheet they can clone us and the only thing that

would stop a scientist doing that is ethics and if 2020 taught me one thing if nothing else

it's that scientists very few scientists have ethics it's not about that it's about the ability

to do the unbelievable and in some cases I would say the ability to play god and there's also this

kind of this sort of fallacy that clones can't reproduce yet in America the most successful horse

you currently have out at stud is thumper he's your most successful barrel racer now he's the most

expensive stud you can go to in America right now he's a clone he was clone oh really I didn't know

that yeah he was a clone just like dolly the sheep he was a clone dolly the sheep had three

three lambs she lambed three and she was also people don't really talk about this but dolly

wasn't alone she was one of one of three herself there were three lambs born took two after dolly

she had two siblings and gave birth to three three offspring so it IVF the the leap between IVF

and human cloning isn't actually that big so were they actually producing through IVF fertility

treatments in Argentina were they producing twins and triplets through IVF or were they cloning

because what I find really strange is with all of this all you know like we say whenever you're

looking at money or you're looking at corruption or you're looking at the infiltration of a religion

we always say all paths lead to Rome well I think with regard to cloning all paths lead to Germany

because I don't think it's a coincidence that the cabbage patch postcards originated from there

depicting children being grown and I don't think it's a coincidence that you have the kindergarten

you know the name given to somewhere that grows babies you know a kindergarten right

a garden where you grow children but also in Germany we've got doppelganger the actual word given

to someone who looks identical to someone else it's all German and there we are we've got

SSI ranking officers looking into due genics and fertility and creating a allegedly creating a

master race of areas that there's got to be something more to it than that I don't think we've

got even a fraction of the whole story going on there and then I think that that research continued

in South America when they arrived there yeah I guess that's the thing I that's what really kind

of struck me was that I said that there's no way that they weren't doing that for a purpose

like you know what I mean it's like so if you think about it if these people are working with

people to create twins is like wood and having a twin maybe be advantageous if this person was

supposed to be somebody I mean I mean very famously like in a lot of TV shows like stranger things

of course famously in like the show was at home not home alone I'm was it a full house full house

has the Olsen twins but a lot of people didn't know that the little girl was a twin until later

and so like historically they tell us that a lot of times we have a child show or a show featuring

a an infant or you know like a small child well it's very difficult to get them to work the hours

so it's good to have two of them so of course we know about some of them being twins you think

about the movie like the parent trap that there's these two twins separated by like an ocean

and they don't know about each other and it's like only later do they get reintroduced but so would

if a lot of these people have twins that we just don't know about and that would be advantageous

because you could imagine if like you could just say so-and-so is not playing ball

fire up the twin just get the twin over here and they're gonna do it and we're gonna get rid of

this one yeah I mean that I mean that makes sense to me that would that would seem to serve a

purpose because if these people who are really in charge of everything their goals are probably

again long life eternal life outside of God's with God's offering so they're using they're

experimenting in every which way but I mean if that's part of the program would have been just like

hey get rid of him bring in this other person and it's like then they're gonna do what we tell

them so that's all they're real that's they're really only to be gonna be the public face of the

things we're telling this person to do anyway so it really doesn't matter as long as the

public buys it is the same person but obviously this fear instilled because you could you could think

like that there's another one of me in in the back in the background so anybody is replaceable

it's like oh you can't get rid of me like yeah we can we got we got two of you I think that's

that there's a strong possibility of that I really think so but it would be very hard to hide

what again like the movie like the parent trap they didn't know there's a movie I want to say in

the early 90s called twins with Arnold Schwarzenegger from Danny Divide and he was kind of a mistake

and they didn't know about each other either and so like again that they could isolate these people

so they they really don't know about each other but they know about them right and like they don't

you know like I said this person's not there's other persons being groomed to be the

be the guy and then this other person is not but when it's time they could take they could extract

that person and put them into this other role yeah I don't know it's just an it was just an idea

I just thought it would be interesting just to talk about that because I just thought

there's there's nothing they're not doing with some kind of a purpose so if they're doing this

but you're also your your theory that maybe they're not twins maybe they're clones they're

clone people and I want to say one last thing and I'll let you have the last word before we close

we're having a little technical issues hopefully you guys don't notice this at home but I thought

what's interesting in that show foundation that what's being said about the clones they don't have

souls in the show and there's these religious people talking about how they want them to end the

dynastic reign of this these clones because they're soulless so I mean that that kind of that

would kind of track biblically that the Nephilim were not meant to be tolerated here from 2311

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place so I mean I mean that's already kind of happened once like the god did not really give his

stamp of approval on this thing this being has no ability to you know to go where god god intends

a soul to go it's an interesting point and it's one that Dolores canon raised that she believed

that a large majority of the population in fact she suggests eight should suggested 80% of the

world are soulless and by that I think that's quite a harsh it's quite a harsh thing to say

that 80% of people don't have souls now some people connect that today to what we call an NPC some

of that doesn't have any dialogue or and but it what is the difference between if you say that's

for example I don't I don't mean you Jay but if we say for example that somebody that wasn't intended

to be that wasn't created naturally doesn't have the connection to god because of the way that they

were brought into being well that's IVF isn't it doesn't that account for every single birth

created by artificial insemination artificial insemination it's the same thing so whether or not

we're talking about a child that's that's born through IVF or a child that's cloned from another

child or another being in both cases god if we're going to follow that and I'm not saying I do or

I don't I'm just saying for argument say if we're suggesting that this person cannot have a

soul because they weren't they weren't conceived naturally they weren't intended to be it wasn't

God's will someone intervened a scientist somewhere intervened in the course the normal course

which would be unfortunately you can't conceive it's not God's will and you can conceive and then

comes along comes a doctor this is I can play God I can create life where there shouldn't be

or for whatever unfortunate reason there cannot be but I'm going to change that I'm going to

overwrite it so does that child born through IVF have no soul and so it's kind of a very gray area

and my personal belief is that every living being has a spark has a connection regardless of how

and I but at the same time I also believe that we are God and God is us that it is within we are

all connected everything living is connected apart from these parasitic people the blue

bloods if you like the the bloodline that should not be I don't think that they have a connection to

us or or or or or to God or the creator or whatever you want to refer to it as but I but I I do

believe that actually what we're talking about when Dolores Cannon says there are 80% 80% of the

world are walking around with no soul or today we're saying between 60 and 80% of people are NPCs and

just provide a function I think we're talking about the lack of genetic memory and that the

reason that one person is awake and another one isn't is because you're carrying memory that

goes back way further to a time in which we didn't live like we do now so things don't resonate

with you so you question everything without even intending to even at school perhaps things just

didn't make sense whereas someone whose genetic memory doesn't go back very far a couple a

hundred years doesn't know what it was like to live before that carries no genetic memory no markers

to compare you know what we're being taught today to what we or once taught and I think it's that

but the bottom line is Joe I just don't know I don't know and I think it's a combination of factors

there but I still maintain that the difference between cloning and IVF is not a huge leap there is

not a huge leap between the two yeah you know you raise an interesting question I mean yeah I'm

I mean I'm inclined to believe that people who are IVF born they have souls but I mean I guess

that's like I would just think like that's what they're kind of showing you in that show that

that's what people's belief is and I'm sure yeah I'm sure you probably get a very to

group of opinions about like that sort of a thing I mean it is kind of funny the one thing I kept

on I couldn't help but think was that that kind of weird thing that people talk about redheads

that calm genders and one of the kind of the slams against redheaded people is they don't have souls

it's like a weird thing this it's like a weird thing to say but I wonder if it has something to do with

the idea of are they connecting redheads to redheaded giants redheaded giants that were never meant to be

therefore they're soulless they're become unclean spirits and then they have no real

home after they're deceased it's got to come from the same thing yeah yeah I think you're right

I think it's too much of a coincidence isn't it but it is it isn't it's a very sad situation isn't

it that there is something walking around it no matter when it was that that that lived a life

that wasn't meant to be because it determines that you know every life matters doesn't it

and every life I believe has a purpose and some people arrive as a surprise and some people arrive

because they were planned but I think everybody has a purpose everyone has a purpose and a reason for

being but I think the problem is without that inner dialogue and that connection to something

greater or accepting the fact that that we are part of something much bigger than ourselves

we perhaps never really fully understand what our true purpose is but but for me personally

I'm not sure what a soul is I don't know what that is I mean if I was going into

to have brain surgery conducted where would they look for that you know what part of me is it

that they my personality that the re you know where do they find you know someone wants to

describe it as a spleen you know it's like a spleen you know you might have one you might not

you can function with or without what does it actually do where is it located is the soul just us

is it just our personality and the way that we think the way that we do or is it our ego

you know what what what actually is a soul you know that I think is the fundamental question

what is it and I don't know and does anybody truly have the answer to that what is a soul

that's a question to ask God I mean I think that like a soul would be obviously you could not

find it under a microscope you couldn't find it through an x-ray it's like the wind we feel it

but we can't see it so it's there clearly it's the air we breathe I mean it is like it's the breath

of God in us is is our soul but yeah trying to define exactly what it is it's like these are

sometimes we're just like it's fun thought exercises to think about things like that but I think

that trying to understand God and how everything actually works is not really I think our finite

brains cannot really kind of wrap our minds around it and that we're seeing in a certain amount

of dimensions a three three dimensional world yeah but there's many more dimensions that

to make up all the things that are going on here and to the to the quantum realm to the things

that are really big to the things that are outside of time very interesting concepts always a

very interesting conversation with you guy why don't you please tell us where people can find you

that the best place is my website because it has links to everything on it which is the tartarian

empire.co.uk the tartarian empire.co.uk I got one question before you go Joe one more question

okay sure so a soul let's say that your soul is a connection that something that literally plugs

you into God an interface between you and God your soul is that present if you don't believe in God

well I think that everybody's given the the free will and the ability to communicate with God

it's no excuse not to sorry Joe I the back sort of the end of that was let's say that

we take a couple of babies and we will not babies let's say toddlers we give them everything

they're going to need and we put them on a desert island so we make sure that they have

they're cared for that we drop things off and people perhaps go there and you know make sure

they're okay but there's no communication so they get to our age and they've never heard of God

they've never heard of TV they they don't know what a president is they don't know what they're

looking up at the sky and seeing they've never heard of God they've never done anything wrong in

their lives but they've never they've never heard of what God is so do they have a soul do they

have a connection to God if they don't know if they if they don't even know God exists

and so that's kind of weird isn't it because in a lot of cultures who who God is to you is

difference to them and then and there will be indigenous tribes out there that have no idea

in remote places of the Amazon that have no idea what we're talking about or who we're talking

about so do they have a soul so it's kind of I think it depends on your own interpretation your own

experience and your the environment that you you erased it to whether run to watch you perceive God

as but there have to be people out there wandering around that have no idea what we're talking about

you know I would say that to me you know I go right to the Bible and it says in Romans 1 it talks

about how that God's attributes and his image is instilled in us so we have no excuse

not to know about a creator like his like creation is evidence of a creator so I think that just

based on that that's why like so many people believe in God whether they believe who is the true

creator is like finding a painting and saying somebody painted it obviously you know like growing

up and just seeing the world and how it works is like you know that this is it's not cosmic chance

only foolishness leads you to the conclusion that it was all an accident when it's very evident that

through like the Fibonacci pattern all the things that there is a God so I think a lot of those

examples people often ask about that is like so what if people never knew I think that people I think

people know and I think and I believe in a loving and I believe in a merciful God so I believe that

God connects with people where they're at so God only holds people accountable to the level that

of the understanding they have that's why like I believe that if a child never heard of Jesus

and a child died I believe that God's not sending that child to hell because the level of

understanding and maturation is like that it says in the Psalms that are in and Samuel that when

David's like newborn dies like he knew he'd see him again so obviously David you know

believing that he's going to be with God one day so his child is too so that's my understanding

I mean I think that the concept of a soul is just yeah there's what makes up us as people is we have a

mind we have a body and then we have something that's outside of that we have the soul who probably

who we really are and you can't really probably define how your personality is based on like your

hippocampus or some kind of a part in your things but like the the body talks about or the Bible

talks about like your heart or your kind of your soul in your stomach there's something in here

that's kind of eternal where like your memories are and everything that it's not always up here

like long-term memories are not easier you know so it's like it's something else is outside of

that it's kind of like there's life in the blood is part of it the soul in our blood I think

it's a lot of that and I think that's why probably you get to like the really weird ritualistic

things that people do I think that's why it's blood you know because I think that's probably about

your soul now it's hard to define but I think that obviously we're we're more than the things that

make up our bodies so yeah I don't know I mean obviously I believe that that it's again these

are not things that are easy to understand but I would I would say that that God connects with

people where they're at and yeah I don't I don't I that's that's my belief on all that it's a whole

nothing rabbit hole isn't it yeah this is yeah this is this is more like deep philosophy right

there at the end of the podcast but anyways guy I got to run but I really appreciate you coming

on and and we'll ask absolutely have to do it again we'll have to do it again and I'll be

welcome to come on your show yeah let's do it let's do it that would be great I just

will pick you a message shortly okay all right God bless you and God bless all you guys for watching

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