Conversation With Marco D'Amico Part 4

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Friend of the show, Marco Domingo, and right off the bat, Marco, I got to ask you,

is Cole Caulfield the best 60-goal score to never score 50 goals in the NHL?

Your thoughts.

Yeah, I saw your tweets yesterday in that regard, pulling up some tweets from a couple of years ago

and then even last year.

Cole Caulfield consistently finds new ways of reaching new heights from a goal scoring perspective.

I projected 47 goals at the beginning of the season. He's right on that mark.

And we'll see if he's able to hit 50 before the end of the season.

He's got 15 games to do so.

But I think we're all going to be looking at the 40 goals that he scored.

I think it's the more complete game that Cole Caulfield plays.

You know, everyone's replaying that overtime goal.

And yes, he does have 24 game tying, tie breaking goals.

So that is the most in the league by a significant margin.

But it's the two way play, like the play that he made on Nick Suzuki's first goal,

where he, you know, he recoups the puck at the blue eye, you know, makes a crazy pass to

Slovkowski that gets it to Nick Suzuki and gets the Canadians in the game.

That to me is where Cole Caulfield has evolved from his US national development days,

where he was, you know, a goal scoring machine to now being this dual threat offensive player,

who, if he continues, is going to be, you know, a point per game player by the end of the season.

Yeah, look, he's been on quite a run this year and, you know, obviously,

there were a lot of noise about him making the Olympic team and, and, you know,

the disappointment. I'm sure he felt with that.

And I got to think he'll have an opportunity in the next one.

But I think the last time we had you on, Marco, we talked a little bit.

By the way, I love the hat. I love the hat, pal.

Thank you.

We talked a lot about finding the right guys to play with Nick Suzuki as this team charges for,

you know, an opportunity to come back to the playoffs as they've been rebuilding this team here

over the last couple of seasons. As of late, it's looking like Slavkowski, Suzuki,

Caulfield have found a little bit of chemistry and have been producing at a decently high rate.

Are you confident that this is what we're going to see as this team moves towards the playoffs?

I see you kind of smiling. I love, by the way, I love when you come on here and you, like,

you know, you follow this team day to day. So like, you're always willing to push back.

And I, and I appreciate that about you. So what are you thinking about that line?

And is that what we should expect to see out of the Montreal Canadians?

No, I, I hundred percent agree with you. I think that line has a great chemistry. And, you know,

it's, it's a line that's worked very well for them in the past. You know, the Montreal

Canadians were often seen as a one line team up until this year. And that was the line. And,

you know, they've performed well together. What, what Marta is saying, we tried to do

prior to the Olympic break was maybe kind of spread out the offense a little bit because

it felt like Oliver Kappenin and Ivan Demitov were kind of, you know, on an island by themselves.

And especially when Alex Newhook went down with an injury, they wanted to provide some form

of stability to that second line. Well, now that Alex Newhook has returned, your ice

Slavkowski back on that top line and that top line, you know, they're used together in,

and, you know, on the power play, yes. But at five on five, they're both in offensive line and

a shutdown line at the same time. Marta Saint Louise is not shy to put them up against the,

the, the opposition's top line. So I like what we see from them. And when it comes time to the,

you know, the crunch periods where we're seeing right now, the last 15 games of the season,

to see them go back to what's worked in the past is not surprising. I wouldn't be surprised if

that's the first line come day one in the playoffs. The only thing I would say that may move things

around is obviously a injuries, but be the potential arrival of Michael Hage sometime in the month

of April. That may be the, the, the element that may be forces on to shuffle around the top six.

Oh, but if I was a betting man, Johnny, I think I would say Michael Hage isn't going to be

available till April 12th. The national championship game is April 11th. If you got him before

April 9th, 10th, 11th or 12th, I would be absolutely shocked with how good that Michigan

team is. But how many games are after April, April 12th? Do you know how many? Oh, no. One,

okay. So you burn that year, play that game and get ready for a playoff series, right?

Yeah. And I mean, like I've told a lot of people, when NCAA players burn that first year,

a lot of people like, oh, my God, why did you do that? You know, you lose that cost-controlled

year. But you also have to factor in that. Yeah, yeah. But you also have to factor in that when they

do burn that first year, if they don't play 10 games, they become a 10.2 C RFA and are

ineligible for offer sheets at the end of their ELC. So like Lane Hudson this summer,

like Ivan Demidov, this upcoming summer, these guys don't have the same amount of leverage

that say a guy like Maclin Celebrini is going to have this summer. Yeah. Because Maclin

Celebrini, if he gets to July 1st, 2027, is offer sheet eligible. Yeah. And I'll say this too,

the other thing people people never talk about with guys that burning year early.

Think about when guys really hit their stride, right? It's pretty rare. Players come in right

away and just torch everything right away. I mean, imagine if Lane Hudson had another year of

this production before his contract year. So you got Lane Hudson cheaper because he burned a year.

If Lane would have put up the numbers that Lane has been putting up and this summer, he would have

been available for contract. It would have been another couple million dollars a year. Yeah,

that's a good point. You start the clock early and you basically rush them to their second

contract. And if they're good, it doesn't give them as much time to really spread their wings.

And then you actually end up saving money. I've always looked at that as a very worthwhile

gamble for a guy that you were pretty damn sure was going to play in the NHL to let him burn that

first year. Excuse me, and get quicker to the contract to save yourself money. I've kind of

always said they're definitely a cost analysis on that and a risk on that type of play.

Yeah, Mark, I didn't even know that fact. That was a good fact you just brought here. I think

our chat didn't really realize that either. Yeah, well, I mean, that's the major benefit of

signing guys out of the NCAA like at this point, especially top prospects. I know a lot of people

get kind of bummed out in that first year is burned right away. But again, there are significant

benefits. And if you look at a team like the Montreal Canadians, they've taken full advantage of

those negotiations, right? You look at their salary structure. All the players that they've

resigned internally, Lane Hudson is the highest earning one at 8.85 million. And that only starts

next year. After that, Nick Suzuki makes under 8 million, Cole Coffield makes under 8 million,

Slavkowski makes under 8 million. The real big one is going to be Ivan Demidov. And again,

I knowing the way that Kent Hughes works, I would be shocked if that went over the double digits

and the millions. I sincerely believe that it'll probably be in the same vicinity if it goes to

an eight year deal because those are still permissible up until the 16th of September this year.

If it's an eight year deal, I'd be very, I don't know that it would be that much more than what

Lane Hudson's already getting, which would be fantastic and would probably set up the Canadians

long term. So there is an absolute benefit of being able to maybe have a little bit more control over

the your long term fiscal structure because it avoids the problems that other teams in the past,

like beliefs have gone through, where their core is simply just priced them out of being able to

fill the rest of their lineup with the depth they need. Yeah, Canadians don't have that problem

at all. I think the last time you were on here, last time you were on here, we were saying, or maybe

two times ago, whatever, we were saying that like, I don't know if anyone set for a better

future right now than Montreal with how they have everybody locked in at a pretty good price.

We've got a comment from Jim the sweet in our chat and Jim is, you know, Jim is not a rapid

fire member of the chat, but I feel like when Jim the sweet comes with a comment, he comes

and he makes a great point. He said, Hudson this year is seven times 12 and a half million dollar

D if his contract's up. So this is a case for Montreal and Demadoff, all these different guys,

where again, if you had to let these guys play two full seasons and a burn year, forget it.

One burn year, one full season. Yeah, in Montreal, that's going to end up saving you like a full

player worth of money, the way that these contacts are working out. Did Lane sign four years?

No, eight, eight times eight point eight five. And in fact, the offer that was on the table was eight

times nine. And Lane took a hundred and fifty thousand dollar cut off of that like everybody else

does. Basically, Matt Matheson did the same thing. Suzuki did the same thing. Caulfield asked his agent

Pat Breeson to have just a smidge under Nick Suzuki salary to respect the salary structure.

They've all taken less to stay in Montreal, which is something that has never happened under any

administration here. It's so funny that we kind of speak the opposite way about Toronto. And

Montreal is just as big of a hockey market as Toronto is. And it's like the complete

different vibe. But I don't want to get into that conversation. Mark, I want to ask you about

the actual style of play that you've seen from Montreal post break since the return from break.

Because it does feel like when you watch the Canadians play, it's obviously a lot of high

octane offense, but it feels like they're also giving up a lot. And I don't know if that,

and I'm not just saying that because the goal tenders haven't been necessarily their best,

so maybe it feels louder than what it actually is. But they've given up a lot of chances.

Last night was probably one of their better games when it comes to defending. I thought they

probably outplayed Boston for the majority of that game. But do you feel like they haven't been

as locked down or as shut down defensively as maybe they were in the beginning of the season?

I think there's definitely a level of sloppiness in terms of their defensive structure.

I think the other thing to keep in consideration is we've reached another point in the season.

Games are getting tighter. Ice is much, much smaller. You got to really fight for every inch out

there. And the risk for turnovers is ever so much higher because of that. And so it's always

about being able to time the coverage as well. They play this kind of hybrid, man-to-man defensive

structures. So sometimes when they're up high, those point shots will get deflected down low

because there may be they're not aggressive on the coverage. I like that you point that out that

yesterday was a much better game. The Bruins only scored one goal at five on five. And it was

unfortunately due to a double coverage situation from Lane Hudson and Oliver Kapanen. And,

you know, Hudson was kind of self-logging himself in the dressing room after the game saying like,

you know, that stayed with him in that game. And, you know, it was a mistake on his end. He was a

little bit too aggressive. It was a nice play though. Give Boston credit. That was a nice play.

Yeah, I was a great play. That's the problem. And that's seen and that's exactly what he brought up.

Or on the game winning. That's exactly what he brought up. Better go Che against Anaheim.

And again, there's no bigger cheerleader in the sport for Lane Hudson than me. But I'll call

us beta speed here. Like he will go through these moments. And he has to learn because he's such a big

minute guy against Anaheim the night before Marco. I know you know the play I'm talking about. He

doesn't think they let me get under this pile and cut this play off because he is a smart player.

The problem is they don't come out with the puck and then VL is able to make that no look pass

and cutter gets off the wall on him. And so now all of a sudden, I get why Lane, look, no one is

harder on Lane Hudson than Lane Hudson. He is still hard on himself. And this is a great job by

Vic to pull this video. If you see Lane, and cutter just sneaks out right behind him. Again,

stay on the D side. Yeah, but these are good moments for him. Remember, like this is his first

year in the playoff. He's such a key contributor. He will clean that up, Marco. I have seen his

reaction. And then that he will clean that up. Yeah. Well, I mean, Case in point, look at,

look at the way that he bounced back from that that that that second Zaka goal. In overtime,

with two minutes of consistent possession from the Bruins. And he comes in with a sliding poke

keeps the puck weights to produce the change. And then, you know, recoups on the bench and is on

the ice for the game winner. Like that to me is Lane Hudson because yeah, he'll make mistakes. But

I think Lane Hudson's superpower is he's consistently learning. And that's what's going to make him

one of the top defense been in this league for years. Do you know what I said? I said that lane

would be a hall of fame or last year. Johnny like freaked out at me when I said that. I recently

when we saw the number where what did he he he just had some crazy. I think assists. He had

150 assists or something like that. Yeah. Brian Leach was the only other guy to do it in that

time period or something like that. I forget the number. And I'm like, I'll double down on the

Lane Hudson thing. I think Lane Hudson, because how willing he is to get better and how critical

he is of himself. I mean, I heard they have to like hide his skates on days off so he doesn't go

on the ice. Because those factors plus his talent, I will double and triple down on what I think

about Lane and his potential and how good of a player he is. Johnny, I know you wanted to jump

in and say some, so I'll let you have the floor here. But I wanted to tell you Marco that that

was that was something I said last year. And Johnny, Johnny came for me when I said that like

I said that about somebody you'd be like, yeah, obviously the rules are not the same for you and I.

I'm a hypocrite when it comes to you. Like come on. We've established that.

But Marco, we have a great comment in our chat. This is from Riley Beaton W5.

Who would Montreal favor to play in the first round in the Atlantic and who would they like to

avoid in the Atlantic? No, no, no, no, knowing this team, I don't think they want to avoid anyone,

don't care who they play. Now, if you were to ask Canadians fans, probably Buffalo, I think

Buffalo is the is the St. Louis Blues of 2019 right now, the way that I see them just absolutely

a wagon and so difficult to beat right now. And they're actually getting the goal tending to go

with the incredible play of their forward. So when those two things are running simultaneously,

it's very hard to beat. I think the Canadians match up quite well against teams like Detroit.

I think they would match up well against a Boston if that were to ever happen. Please let that happen

one day. It would be, you know, a very intriguing, like safe, they were to slide into the wild card

spots. It would be very intriguing to see how they would match up against Carolina. So I honestly,

I think Buffalo is the only team that they would really worry about. But I think the only way they're

going to play Buffalo is if they slide into one of those two wild card spots. So if they maintain

the current pace that they're on, Tampa Bay, Montreal seems to be that kind of series where you

separate the youngsters from the men and you see really where this team is in their rebuild.

That, I mean, again, I'm just looking at the standings right now. It's going to be a close race

to the finish, right? Like, I saw I was trying to make sense of it. Actually, I saw last night,

someone said like Montreal vs Boston is the first like four point game, I guess, or something,

because they both, I don't know. I didn't really make sense to me. I don't know if you would

see that. But, yeah, I did, but there's been four point games with the way that the Eastern

conference has looked like. There's been four point games since November. Everyone keeps winning.

It's just like how it is. Columbus won again last night. The Islanders won again last night.

It's crazy. But, you know, sticking with the theme, I guess, you know, that we were talking about

before of giving up a lot of chances and whatnot and the way they've been playing. Is Dolbych now

the like official like what's going on with the gold tenders there? Because I think Montenbo

like wasn't dressed, right? Like, what's the latest with Valor being up and Dolbych like,

where's this rotation at right now? Yeah, I think you can confirm without any, you know,

qualms that Jakob Dolbych is going to be part of the two-goly rotation moving forward, right?

Definitely the player with them that they would deem the most reliable in this kind of a situation.

I'm pretty sure Jake gets the game tomorrow against Detroit. If not, he'll get Saturday against

the Islanders in Montreal. And I think they're going to run with those two for the time being.

And because you've just pointed out how tightly the Eastern conferences, they can't be losing games

where they, you know, they score four or five goals. They can't anymore. So you have to put

your best goal tenders forward. And unfortunately, you know, for Sam Montenbo, he's kind of been cast

aside a little bit. I don't know if that's a permanent thing and I'm not going to speak on it.

He's had a really tough go this season. Respect the player. He's an A1 human being. But right now,

it does seem like the organization wants to move forward with Dolbych and follow down the stretch.

They have the cap space to do so. They have the confidence in Jacob Fowler, significant

amount of confidence in Jacob Fowler. And they do feel like he is the future. Yeah, exactly. And

they feel like he is the future. So I, you know, the games aren't always going to be perfect.

You know, I don't, I thought Fowler played good, but not great against the Anaheim Ducks.

But, you know, again, between Jacob Dolbych and Jacob.

He did make some really timely saves late in that game, Marco. Like, I'm with you on that.

And I look at that and I'm like, okay, like these are some growing pains you might. But there were

three saves he made in the third period of that game when it was tied. And they, to me, felt like

big, big moment, like big time goalie moments. Like you could exactly the, the, the star starting

to poke through when he's making those calm saves in a game that is against a good team. That's

high octane that plays with a lot of offensive juice. So I'm with you on that. But I did love

the saves in that Anaheim game that he made in that third period. It's, it's a lot to ask of a

21 year old to have to steal NHL games for you. But he did give him the best chance to win

possible. It was up for the Canadians to play better in front of him on Sunday.

Yeah. What about the Brendan Gallagher situation? Because, you know, he just hits his

900th game. I think was it the game before he was a healthy for the first time in his career?

Was it two games before? Okay. Couple of games before, right? Is that a distraction right now?

Like how's he handling it? He's been around long enough that I would think he understands

like how to be a good pro and realize the team is bigger than him. Again, as an outsider,

that's what I would think. You're in the locker room. You're around the team. Like, is that a,

is that an uncomfortable thing going on in that room right now? Or, or, or are you not concerned?

I wasn't personally concerned. I think it's more of a story for us to talk about. But within the,

the players basically were like, he's going to be out this game and he's going to come in next game

and play like his life dependent on it. And that's exactly what ended up happening. And then,

you know, even against Boston last night, Gallagher was just flying out there. His line with Philip

to know and Josh Anderson was just everywhere. And they were, they, you know, they, they really

brought the tempo after the first line went to work offensively. They'd be there crashing and banging.

And, you know, bending Gallagher was right in that mix and he was making things happening.

He was battling. And obviously now with the injury to Kirby doc, I don't see a guy like Gallagher

getting out of the lineup. It was a momentary thing because for the first time this season,

the Canadians had was at 15 healthy-ish forwards that they had to try and get into the lineup or

at least rotate into the lineup. So it's nothing, it's nothing bad. But it's just you couldn't

afford to take anybody else out. And you had to try and get Alex Texier and or Zachary

Baldzick into the lineup. So there is a little bit of rotation going on in the bottom six,

less so now because of obviously Kirby doc's injury. But I don't think it was much more than that

in the moment. And, you know, the players in the room when when they found out that the Gallagher

was getting scratched like there was some emotional reactions because of just how much he means to

the team. So you know that seeing him in that lineup the next day and seeing him in the lineup

against the Bruins. And especially when they announced his 900th game on the jumbo tron,

the ovation that he got from the Canadians fans, you know, I think it was status quo. Everybody

kind of understood this as a business. But there's more to Brendan Gallagher than the stat sheet.

And I think that that was put on full display yesterday. Might need you to hear or might need to hear

you say Balduks first game again if you can. Zachary. Oh, that was great. So good. Don't make

me pronounce Italian names. It's going to be even worse guys. Well, Vietnam, Vic and I,

we love the French pronunciation of names. We like whatever. Just something that we always like

find funny hearing. I kind of lost my train of thought. But why did I want to ask you? Oh,

you know what? I wonder about the cool. No, I don't have a cool for a second. We kind of skipped over

a call. I asked as a joke. Like the cold coffee was the best, you know, 50 gold score and

every score 40. Like those tweets and that joke and stuff. Like it is a compliment to Cole.

Like I think we all knew that this was in. He hadn't done it yet. And I think, you know,

listen, I am all for getting dunked on anyone who knows me knows that. But I found it funny

last night that like I had Canadians fans like saying, what now? Any update? And I was like,

I love cold coffee. Like I think that he is a 50 gold sword. Like that's the whole.

I'm pretty sure you had him on your Olympic team too. You're a big cold coffee guy. No doubt.

He's the biggest sweetheart in the NHL. And like, you know, Montreal deserves a kid like this. His

energy is, you know, second to none in the NHL. He's such an unbelievable guy. And I didn't

realize that Montreal hadn't had a 40 gold score since that 93. Was it 92, 93 or 93, 94?

93, 94 with Deb Fouce. So I guess just how cool has it been for you up close to watch Cole

in the year he's had this year? And hi, Oliver. Sorry. I'm distracted by the good pup. But

Oliver, sorry. He's a big fan of this. I'm a big fan of Oliver is already, guys. I'm sorry.

When it comes to coffee, I mean, look, the closest thing that the Canadians have had to have

that kind of a player was Max Patcher at a he had one season where he got to 39

and had a handful of games to get to 40 and just couldn't get over the hump. And so the Canadians

of fans have literally been waiting 32 years for something like this, which is not a good

stat line to have. But I think it goes to show you that this Canadian's organization has kind of

hit another stride in where they're going and to have a player like Cole who not only is as

electric on the ice as he is off the ice, but it's also the way he goes about his business,

right? Like he scores 40 goals. Everyone's hyping him last night. Oh my God. You know, what's next?

How about 50 goals? And his answer is like, yeah, I'm just thinking about 41 at this point. Or

journalists in the dressing room yesterday being like, hey, do you know it's been 32 years since

the Canadians have had a 40 goal score? And, you know, Cole just trying to make fun of the situation

goes like, yeah, yeah, you guys have talked about it a lot since I've been here. So just going to

show you how like level headed and then easy is with all of the because he has high expectations

of himself. And he knows that he wanted to reach 40 goals. You know that he wants to reach 50 goals

either this season or in the future. And I'm I believe that he will eventually get to that 50 goal

marker as this team develops even further. It's offensive game. And I think when you have that

kind of a straight shooter like him, you know, a lot of what Kent Hughes and Jeff Gordon have done

even though they didn't draft Cole is bringing players that are made or that could withstand

this market. And Cole Caulfield is a player that can not only withstand this market, he could

thrive in it. And I think he's showing that right now. And with that too. Oh yeah, I was just

going to say Johnny seems like it seems like Montreal's like the one market where the American guys

there's no like the American guys don't want to play here or the American guys are getting

grilled here. It just doesn't you have all these American players re-upping on eight-year deals.

And I'm not saying it's not happening in other markets by the way. Yeah, I'm going to peg and

just kind of extension with the peg guys of Kyle Connor. But you just don't hear the noise around it.

Like you hear noise right now around a guy that doesn't want to go to Vancouver, doesn't want to

go to Toronto. You don't hear it really about Edmonton anymore. It pops up every now and again.

It seems like players who you actually want to play in Edmonton. But I think just just recently

at the deadline, didn't somebody somebody said, yeah, I'm not going west to Edmonton. I think

Vinnie Trollchick's name popped up a couple of times. I don't think he said it was a mini Edmonton.

Yeah, but he doesn't want to go back. It wasn't Edmonton. It was want to go to Canada.

So those were what it was. It was a Los Angeles.

Just so just to maybe shed some light on what you just brought up there. No adopts and

gently forces way to Montreal this summer. The previous summer as a pending RFA with arbitration

rights and one year away from free agency. And he wanted his number one destination was to go to

Montreal and even took a little less on his contract demands to facilitate a trade to come to

Montreal. So there is something in terms of the culture of the team that's growing not only

from the homegrown guys that are extending eight years right off the bat, but even guys with

significant contractual leverage are, you know, considering going to Montreal when that was

something of a fantasy maybe, you know, as recently as 10 years ago. So there is a cultural shift

going on in Montreal. I think Ken Hughes and Jeff Gordon have done a good job in not only

communicating that, but exemplifying it by the product that they're putting on the ice.

I honestly, I had one more for you, but I feel like that's a perfect transition to lead into

Stephen Rosner who's here. So Mark, you talk about, you talk about a culture guy,

Stephen Rosner, man, what a beauty. We know it. I will let you go. But obviously, you know,

whenever Montreal has has something going on, you're getting that text from me last night. I

love that what you're like. I saw this coming, but thank you. You're the best. We really love

having you on here. And I love late night, Johnny Tex, any time. Thanks guys. Take care now.

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