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Akron Jackson

Earl the Pearl

Left I Lloyd

I can't see out of my right eye

Jason left I Lloyd

Jason was his first day wearing contacts

I mean you would never know that I've been wearing them for about 35 years now

I got the car

I can't think I'm having a stroke

I can't see out of my right

Like what is going on

You think you know the way

Yeah right

And again here I'm looking at my phone

I'm like I don't think I have a contact

To sure enough like I take a picture of my eyes

I blow it up

Yep there's nothing in there

I don't have my contact

And that's my good eye

So he thought he was friends

He said it's the big one

I'm coming home

Left I JLo today

Left I JLo

Just go around like

Papa I'll go around like this one

Just don't burn the house though

Good morning boys

How are you?

I'm great man

I'm better now

I never threw on a fit yesterday

I was throwing a fiddle

So we're gonna talk about it

Yeah I didn't like it

Do you want me to tell you why you're wrong now or later

You can tell me why later

All right I'll tell you

Save it for later

Cause I was like I'm doing all poor

All poor

Earl's acting like a fan again

Like I thought we beat the fan out of you

And then yesterday he showed

I was just so frustrated

It's just so frustrated

Yesterday showed you're still a fan

Yeah

And it's not the room with that

No no I found the ball is though

I feel like I've been doing this five years

You've been around me for so many years

You even told me like

I've seen the metamorphosis

I found a balance

There's a you know

I read the 48 laws of power

And then kind of changed

How I

Take a professional approach to things

So a certain degree

So it's worked

All right

Until it don't

Yeah

Well it is weird

In people who don't

People who are on the outside

All the time

Don't understand it

But like when you cover

Most of the same team

Or cover this ritual

Like the fan does get beat out of you

Oh yeah

So when it does come back

It's a cool feeling

Right like this calves team to me

I don't I talk about them here

Right but I don't know the guys

Like they seem likeable through the TV

Yeah

The kids like them

Right

They're easy to root for

Like Don and Mitchell

Seems like a legit dude

And when he gets out

It's great

These

So that that part's fun

But then

The other times when people are like

What do you

You don't see it this way

I'm like

No I'm just calling it like

I see it

Right

I'm totally out of it

And that doesn't mean

That you don't

Kind of root for some people

Or you don't think

I have found myself rooting for people

Over 25 years now of doing this

Is like

That's a good dude

I hope good things happen to him

Right

I'm not going to lose sleep over

Get upset if they don't win

But like

You see you come across good people

You want good things to happen for him

And the opposite can be true as well

100%

25 years

How many years for you

25, 26 years

Yeah

All right so for me

I've been doing this five years

And I took a very

Untraditional route here

A lot of my time was spent as a fan

Reading your work

Reading your work

Listening to people that are now my colleagues

And so

You know I feel like

I'm still young and it's

I'm still fresh and it's

So the fan hasn't really been beat

Out of me yet

I don't know what it's going to look like

When I'm 20 years from now

Still doing this

It's so

Stick around

There's that C saw there

Because sometimes

You know I can report the information

I'm just telling you what it is

Or how I see it

Some people won't like it

But I still have that emotion in me

At times when it comes to the teams

That I grew up rooting for

And loving

And I hope part of that

Like is

It never goes away

Because if you cover a losing team

For so long

You can become stale to it

No matter who you start to look like this

You start to look like this

So

Is that actually 27

Yeah that's why it's

I just I just try to find a balance

But you know I try to also be my authentic self

And sometimes I just feel like

You know because of my own approach

Certain things trigger me

More often than other things

Well I think the main thing is

You have to have your own approach

Your own look at it

Whether it will

Whether you're a fan

Or whether you're

An objective media person

Or whatever your way is

Like for me

I've said this to people

And I've kind of said it to myself

Like if I'm still not getting excited

About Sunday

Or about going in

Then it is time to do something else

But the rest of it

It's your job

And like you're going to provide

Your analysis

You're going to make that phone call

And try to find out that extra detail

You know

And you're going to look at it in a certain way

That can't be affected by

Who's a good dude and who's not

Yeah

Right? Like if you're chasing facts

Or chasing a big story

Or you know

Giving your opinion

Like you can't be jaded by

This person was wrong before

Or this person was wrong to me before

Or whatever it was

Right?

Like

Each game each year is a blank slate

You know

The team I cover primarily

Each year starts to feel the same

This is the reality

Round October

Right?

Like well okay

What's going on lately?

Well a lot of contract adjustments

Right?

They fired the coach

Right?

What's he got to work with

Same crap in most cases

Right?

Like

I look at what this front office does

And it's like do not confuse

Activity for achievement

I'm going to tell you

The fact came back alive

Because this is the first coaching change

Of my career

Oh yeah

Yeah so it's like okay

For the last two years

I was so frustrated

Watching this team

It was like same old same old

I'm going to come out here

I'm going to do my takes

Be a good stewardess

And then with a soul with

It's over with

And now we have

You know

A new unknown

And as a lifelong Browns fan

That's exciting

Because you just live on that unknown

Hoping that this is the year

That we're good

And this is the year

That we finally have sustained success

So

The Browns are built on

Hope

Yes

And dreams

Yes

And very little

In reality based production

Hopes in dream

In void years

In void years

That's the way they're built on

I wonder when we

Restore our contracts here

At Tegna and KYC

Can we

And void years to our contract, Earl

I would love to have money

Kick down the line

And just get

I need a no-trade call

20 to 31

20 to 32

But you're not getting money down the line

It's just when it shows up

On the company's book

That's what I want

You get money up front

That's what I'm saying

I want to be in the company's books

When I already have the cash in hand

So we'll deal with that

But we just spent

Six minutes

Talking about the Browns

On Guardian's opening day

The one franchise

In this city that gives us

Eternal hope despite the fact

That they do not spend

A single dollar

In things that matter

Guys

It is finally here

The offseason is over

A 10-10 first pitch tonight

Against the Seattle Mariners

You mentioned the joy of doing this job Jason

You're the one that covers the Guardians more than

Earl and Zach on a day-to-day basis

Do you still get

Butterflies and Goosebumps about opening

That is it still have the same excitement

It once did for you back in the day

Not because of the Guardians

Just because of what it represents

That spring is here

Hopefully we don't have to use the snowblower

Five more times

And that was a joke

And

I'll take you over five

I'll take you over two

I'll definitely take you over

But like good things are like

Summer's almost here

Like you can see it coming

And so that gets me excited

And all that goes on with it

With sport youth sports

And with just life in general

Everything opens back up

In the summertime in Cleveland

It's great

Do I get excited about

The Guardians specifically

Not necessarily

Just because

You know I would consider them a long shot to win the World Series

If I thought that they were a legitimate top three contender to win the World Series

I think people in Detroit are really excited about today

Because I think Detroit thinks they got a legitimate chance to win the World Series

With their starting rotation with that lineup that they have

But you know this is a high-functioning franchise that always operates well

Usually makes more right decisions than wrong

And it's a fun time at the ballpark

So I don't know

You were probably hoping for a more happy joyous answer for me

But you should know

No I knew who I asked

And I want to ask Earl next

Because he is a baseball guy through and through

He grew up playing baseball

Of all the teams I think Earl still has

As much fandom for the Cleveland baseball team

He has for any other teams that haven't caused him as much pain as the Browns have

So Earl do you still get

The butterflies and the goose bumps

When you know the Guardians are playing

Real legitimate baseball game one of one 62

One thousand percent

Absolutely I do man

I am a fan at heart

I'm a Cleveland there at heart

And I grew up in the 90s

So I grew up in an area to where the Indians were always good

We're not goody

Tickets

Like into that

You know for me

This is when my mother let me stay up in 95 to watch the World Series

She let me stay up again in the 97th World Series

Then I got a weapon for crying like I lost something

When we lost

She let me know you're not out there

They ain't paying no bills

So but yeah I do

Even though I'm not a diehard baseball fan

I love my home team

And I still love the sport of baseball

And it's something about baseball that gets an element of anxiousness

That you really don't get from the other sports to where

You really live and die on each pitch

It's that's especially if it's a close game or

Situations to where you can't even turn your head

And take a sip of your drink or you might miss something that might be a monumental moment

And for me I have learned at least in this early steven

Boer to never count this baseball team

And I learned that last year when they were far behind

And I'm looking at steven boat

And he's still saying all these things

To where I view is crazy to the media

About how he still believe

Well that message was infectious

And they ended up making a run

They got us excited in the city of Cleveland

Didn't end the way that we all wanted to end

But the one that this franchise don't spend money

But somehow some way

They found a way to get it out the mud

Every single year

It always gets me excited

Because I know it's going to be this up and down

Rollercoaster ride of emotions

Through the summer I'm going to attend some games

And we're going to have some fun

We're going to get frustrated

And hopefully when we get to September

We're talking about another playoffs when

Before you go, Zach, I should sit like

Much like you baseball was the sport I grew up on

I was a massive Indians fan

As a kid before my heart turned black

And my soul left my body

In 97 I was still

I was in college as a Kent for the World Series

And I was still stringing for a paper in Lorraine

The Morning Journal

So they sent me to all the home playoffs games

I don't think I went to one class the entire month of October

And I didn't have a great reason for it

I didn't feel like going to class

Because I was covering home games

I wasn't going on the road

But just all the home playoffs games I was there

And I remember they lost the

Seer obviously on the road in game seven

And I was laying on my parents' couch

My parents house watching the game

And I remember thinking

Man, I got to go to class next week

And needless to say

I think my GPA that first semester

That fall semester at Kent was like a 1.7

Because I just never went to class

I was in a whole month of October

Fifth grade and I just remember being at the bus

I was my first

You were in fifth grade

And I was a junior in college

I was in fifth grade

Oh

Shut up

Nobody asked you

And screaming from the back I wasn't bored yet

I was in fifth grade and I just remember crying like a baby

Like crying like a baby

I just just never being so devastated

And those was the only those moments

To where my mother let me stay up late

Yeah

On the school night

And I just felt like

You know listening to my dad and my uncles

Man, the Marlins came best with us

This gonna be the year we get it done

And it's just like we didn't get it done

They supposed to game in numbers

There's nothing wrong with a 1.7

Right

Right

You had an Fedsity R.A.

You had an excuse for it

And the sad part is

I was like on the Dean's list of my friends

Of being on my friends

I had the highest GPA of everybody

Yeah, so I will say this

As you guys know I want a lot of things

And a lot of people off my lawn

And I want opening day being at 10-10 pm local time

All the way off my lawn

Yes, I want it to be opening day

I want baseball at 1 pm

No game should be allowed

On the West Coast to start past 4 pm

That's facts

Right, none

That is facts

None

And that's before

That's nostalgic

But that's before you get to even the discussion

About like 162 is a lot

Yeah

So baseball only has certain windows where it's really gonna grab you

So why wouldn't opening day be one of those

Right, like I understand Pawskines is on a 115 today

Right, but like opening day is what people relate to

Baseball Day

Yes, it's not opening night

It's opening day

I agree

NBA has opening night

Yeah

NFL has opening night

They've now stretched into a 3-week adventure

Yeah, they do

Right

But opening day is baseball

That said

There is magic in baseball to me

Right, it did

It's your childhood memories

For me it's my grandmother who never missed a game

Even when she came to our game

She had this little silver ring

She always had it

She knew every player

She cost them all

Right, she lived through it all

Years and years and years of bad baseball

And then in 2016 they got really close

She was still alive

You know, that's who I wanted it for

But I agree, Earl

You relate it to

Where were you on TV

What, who was with you when you went to that game

Great

And even though there was a lot of bad teams

You remember standing out in left field

Who was playing that day

Right, you remember if they were down 8-2

And came back in one

And for me

The kids now like

One especially who's a big baseball fan

That's been brought back

And we're rooting for Travis Pazana

Because a couple of years ago

We got the opportunity to go down to the Superregionals

NCAA and Kentucky

They played, it was Travis Pazana's last college game

Three weeks later he got drafted by the Guardians

So we'll root for him because we saw him play

You know, up close

Yeah, I'm excited

I think you mentioned it

Culturally

This organization does things right

We're gonna, you know, they have their way

People don't love it

It hasn't resulted in the big trophy

They have their way

So we're expecting competitiveness

We're expecting results

Eventually we'll see if they can hit the baseball

And how the summer goes

162 is a long time

That brings us right to the next part of this topic

And we're gonna cover the Guardians

All day we got two topics coming up

Later in the show on the Guardians

Exactly

Joining us at 11-30 from Seattle

Who's out there covering the game

But Jason, when you look at

This Guardians team

Last week he said if everything went right

Could they win a World Series

So in your mind

We know everything's not going to go right

Because that never happens in sports

What is the successful season this year for the Guardians

What does success look like for this team

Coming off back-to-back A.O. Central Championships

I mean Steve votes as when the World Series

I love that

Like I love that your manager doesn't run from that

It doesn't matter what the payroll is

It doesn't matter who you have

Or who's missing like this is the goal

And this is the task at hand

I think realistically

What's the successful season

Reach the postseason

If you advance to the A.O.C.S

Surely I don't know how you can look at that

Is a not successful season

Particularly when you look at the age of this roster

You know I was going to say

I was going to throw out 90 wins

Because it always

It seems like this team always wins 90 games

I saw a graphic yesterday

About like

10 years

Yeah

Somehow when I saw that too

That was very fun

Right

You pull that up if you can find it

I don't know how

I had A.O.E. set the top

Did it had two other teams

And did a Guardian

Somehow when I win 90 games

Like if you ask any random baseball fan

Not like the bowl in the me

And the jays of the world that play fancy baseball

And live and breathe this stuff

But like

Go ask a fan in St. Louis

Name three players on the Cleveland Guardians

Not named Jose Ramirez

Could they do it?

Probably not

But yet somehow you look up in the playoffs

Every year or not every year

But most years

They're right there

So you know

Make the playoffs

Advance the A.O.C.S

Surely to me that's a successful season

Obviously you want to win the whole thing

I don't

Again they would not be in my top three or five teams

Mike your question if everything breaks perfectly for them

Could they win it

Yeah there it is

There it is

If everything breaks perfectly for them

Could they win the World Series

Yeah I sure

I would go along and play ball with that

But you know as you said

How often does that happen in life

So they would not be one of my favorites to win it

But I still I love baseball

I love the sport

I love the game

Looking forward to a good season

Yeah same here

I think you frame it perfectly

Make the playoffs

You know I was going to say at first

Just win a division

But I think the Detroit Tigers is a series

And they confident in a baseball team this year

If the Guardian somehow some way find a way to make the postseason

At that point all bets are off and anything can happen

You know that's a realistic answer

We all want this to end in the World Series

Mike I hate to put you on a spot here

But if you can find today's opening day lineup

I think why just the postseason is realistic

Because even if you look at this lineup

Jason told me I think last week

That he looked at this one through nine

And it looks like a MLB one through nine

Even with that said

Jose Ramirez is still the only proven thing

That's consistently in that lineup

And so you know it's going to be a lot of projection

A lot of different conversations all season long

And if some of these guys panicked so if out

And they are hot at the right time

Anything can happen

But like a successful season for this team

Is making the playoffs for the third consecutive year

Why don't you sign out yet just to heads up

Yeah it's because it's a seven o'clock game

And we'll be able to do that for you

It's can they hit right

Last year they did make the postseason

But they were tied for last

And the entire league in batting average

They were 28th and runs scored

Not even average in four games

That's not supposed to happen

So yeah we do feel like

Confidently

Just supposed to make it

Right what is this organization built on

Pitching development

Pitching identification

You know being good enough to weather the long storms

And the times you don't score runs

But they got a score run

So we're looking at young guys

To come in and provide a boost

And starting tonight

You don't we'll see how that goes

Tanner Bobby against Logan Gilbert

Tonight in the opener right

Obviously Bobby

We talked about it before

He was supposed to get the start

Last year food poisoning knocked him down

So hopefully he had cereal yesterday

For dinner

Maybe some nice salad

Yeah

And listen

Mariners have one of the best rotations

In baseball certainly in the American League

They're pitching factory much like Cleveland

They know how to draft and develop young starters

And Logan Gilbert is at the top of that list

They do have some injuries

Bryce Miller is out with an oblique

So they're not 100% for the series

But it should be a great pitching matchup

It should be a great series

And we talked about before

This is a heck of a start to the season for Cleveland

They get to go to LA from here

So you're running into the fire right out of the gate

The Mariners right

They had the strife with the World Baseball Classic

Where the guys were going at each other

Cal Raleigh and Arosa Reyna

Yeah

I had no problem with it

With the with the fact that Raleigh

Like when Kobe ran through Paul Gasol

And took the soul from his body

Everybody thought that was great

But people are gonna get up in arms

Because Cal won't bump

Bump fist with Arosa Reyna

Come on man

I think Bobby should go high and inside on somebody

See if they

If they clear

If the Mariners are gonna fight the Guardian or each other

See if they go

I'm looking forward to seeing Tanner

Bobby Pitch

You know last year was just a rough year from him

Literally from the night before

On and

I thought about this

You know I've been watching the last dance

Documentary back right

And I don't know how much time Carl Willis has left

But if I'm Carl Willis man

I'm getting my rotation together

And I'm labeling this the last dance

And if I'm Tanner if I'm Gavin

If I'm Parker if I'm the rest of those guys

Let's make it one of these years man

The possibility to sing Carl Willis out

With a positive salute

So that would be that would be awesome

Are we taking a break when we come back

Cams were home last night against the heat

Not a great performance in a loss

We're gonna talk about it

We come back in two minutes on the ultimate clean sports show

Welcome back the ultimate cleven sports show

Cams fall to the heat last night

Was it 121-03

Correct Michael you were there

Michael thoughts

Hey Michael's a wild

Michael is saying

Hey

Hey

Where are you going to play

Flag all the play

Listen

What

My dad and brother in town

I don't even know if they call me Michael

Like that's

What do they call you just Mike

Mike yeah

Does anybody call you Mike he besides us

My mom every once in a while

No, once in a while

But that's it

But the calves last night the

So Kenny called them out

After the win on Tuesday

For their lack of defensive intensity

So they had to play defense

Better moving forward

Unless they're gonna have a short stint

We talked about that

On the show yesterday

And then last night

They still

Give 124

Miami team that

Isn't good offensive team

But it's not a juggernaut

After the game Kenny Ackinson

Ended on a Mitchell both double down saying

They like the process

They didn't like the results

But they liked the defensive process

That led them there

And the whole idea was Jason

We're gonna collapse on BAM out of bio

And force the other guys to beat them

And if you roll this clip here

Our guy Jackson Flickinger

Over at Fear the Sword pulled this together

You can see numerous examples

Of over helping where they end up getting burned

I understand the philosophy

The idea

As Jason covers one eye

To literally look at the screen

Because he does not have a second contact

I understand the premise

Of wanting to get the ball out of BAM's hands

Just two weeks after he scored 83 points

Let guys like Davey on Mitchell

And Kaleh Ware

And Jaime Hock is Jr

And those guys beat you

But at some point

I feel like you have to make an adjustment

When the other guys start off the game

Is hot from beyond the arc as they did

And the calves didn't do that in this one

Yeah

Plus you can't kill him two nights in a row

Like if you're gonna come out and set him on fire

Is Kenny did

After the Orlando game

It's hard to come back and burn him again the second time

So I understand why he backed off a little bit

But uh

You know listen

With some of these guys

I hear what you're saying

But also like you come with with the philosophy

And who do you want to beat you BAM

Or some of these other guys

If they're making shots at night

Well that's the NBA

You're gonna live and die with the other guys making shots

So

If you start

Changing what you came in

Intending to do

And now you're covering the wings

And now you're letting BAM go

I just I don't know like

I don't get hung up on one game

Like we come in here and we dissect this game

And we talk about this game

And I get it like it's a daily show

It's what we're gonna do

But I would tend to look at things

More in 10 and 20 game blocks of like

Would you accomplish

Are you turning the right direction

Rather than focus on every specific

Single aspect of every game

Who's out of position in that clip

Tyree's proctor

Well I can't see

Right

Well we'll tell you

I saw figures

Confirming around on the court

Right

This is proctor

Yeah

There's a couple plays where it was done of in

When the one the calves have their guys

Tyree's proctor

Well proctor is not gonna be playing

Yeah that's that's what I'm saying

Look look

Miami had just gotten embarrassed

On national TV on Monday night

They needed this

They've been reeling

They need to escape

The calves were

You know got drugged to the finish

By Orlando

You can make excuses and they are

I'm not judging this team for four more weeks

Right

Till they have everybody

And if they don't have everybody

If they don't get their stops

If Tyree's proctor has to play

In late April and early made

Whew

It's gonna be very trouble

Right

But like

Last night was set up as a loss

And they didn't get off the bus

They didn't play till the third quarter

They got beat

Yeah you know

I told somebody yesterday

Morning before the game

That

I was looking at this game

And said you know

This might be tough

To get a win

They coming off a

A slug out

With the Orlando Magic the night before

And regardless of where the heat are

And the stand is

That is still an air exposure coach team

And this is a basketball team

That every year their identity is different

I heard on the broadcast last night

They're like number one

And pace of play

And the Miami heat is never like in the top 15 or 20

And so they hit you with something different every year

Then you got to add on to the fact

That Dean Wade wrote this ankle

You know

And pregame

So I don't know if Kenny came into the game

That night with that game plan of collapse

Collapsing on BAM

Or if he had to make an adjustment

After Dean Wade got hurt before even tip off

But then even still

So when you look at this singular game

I will ask a hypothetical of

Okay

Why do you feel the need to collapse on BAM

If you have Evan Mobley

Right

BAM should be able to get his money off

On Evan Mobley 101

Like that

That's just like how I see it

I am with Michael on the point of

And I'll get you Jason

You can't just go around

Readjusting what you do

But in game adjustments is a real thing

And they was likeness up from

Behind the art

And they just kept doing it

And kept doing it

And it just didn't seem like the cast wanted to change

Their approach to their defensive philosophy

Last night

And so I ain't going to really

You know

Beat them over the head too bad

It's one game

At the end of the day

When we get late April early May

Will we even be talking about that heat game

No

So you want to see the bounce back from that

Right

It was a scheduled loss

And it was a slight performance

Yeah it was very flat

So you want to see him respond

Yeah

They'll get a day off

Both teams staying town obviously

And rematch on Friday

Yeah

More importantly than a defense last night

The offense

Was bad bad

And it was partially

Tired legs

Like they all talked about

Second night of the back to back

It was an 8 p.m. tip off

In the first leg

But they started the game

And were outscored by Miami

By 30 points from beyond the arc

In the first half

You know how hard it is to come back in the game

When you lose the three-point shooting battle

By 30 points and a half

They came back

They did tie it

Donovan and Sam went nuclear in the third quarter

They chipped 3-3s

In the quarter

As a team they hit 12-3s in the entire game

So they had half of their threes

Between those two players

In the third quarter

And then they just fizzled out down the stretch

I saw people

After the game complaining about this

About that

Saying Mobley

And then if you want to take Mobley's game stats

Now all of a sudden you give him some hype

And he disappears

What's funny is

Exactly how Cleveland wanted to guard BAM

And force him to kick out to other players

That's exactly what Miami did

Against Evan Mobley the difference was

The heat guys

Not named BAM out of bio

Hit a bunch of threes

You don't happen when Evan was passing out the open shooters

Brick City

Clank

Clank

And clank

So

Pick your pick what you want with these guys

Last night was not an Evan Mobley issue

Even though it took 8 shots

Miami's entire defensive strategy was

When he catches it

Work collapsing

Make him kick

And I didn't think he was late on a couple passes against the zone

But Miami's a scrapping team

Sposters the hell of a coach

And overall

It's a one-off loss

And they're

Fifth they're 14 to five with James Harden

Yeah, this is the team that

We did a topping a few weeks back

Could they get to the two seed

And I said yes I thought that they would

Well, they're not going to

No

They're pretty well settled in

As the four seed now

I think Detroit's pretty comfortable as the one

I think that's going to be

Obviously the second round matchup more than likely

At this point is calves and pistons

Against old friend JB Beckerstaff

The nicks and Celtics can kill each other in the second round

And made the best team win

And see in the conference finals

Yeah, you know, like a couple things on which you said

Back to last night

I thought that third quarter was really fun

Really exciting

And I thought the Cavaliers did an amazing job

Of getting themselves back into that game

I always tell people man

Donovan Mitchell was a straight-up dog

Like there was a sequence to where

The ball moving was phenomenal

But nobody wanted to shoot the ball

And he was just like you know what

Give it here

I'll shoot the damn basketball

And so like just to see him come down

Hit those consecutive shots in the row

To get the momentum going

To get the crowd back into it

And then you close the game

You close the third quarter tie to 83

I immediately said okay

New ball game

One quarter game

Who's going to out coach who

Who's going to outstrap who

And we'll see how this end up

We took the L

Get the night off

Come back, handle our business on fire

Gear it out, potentially back

Friday

Hope so

I mean look

This team's healthy and specifically

Donovan Mitchell who you just talked about

Feel good about it

When it counts

So you need to get Gear it out

And back no doubt

Thanks

And stay everyone

Keep everyone in bubble wrap

Until for another about what

Two weeks

And I know some people hate this discussion

And I get it

Because you still got a win in one of matters

But isn't the four seed exactly where they want to be

Yes

How the season's gone

Yes

Right

So it's exactly where you want to be

You're headed there

Right, you still got three

Ish weeks to to work on things

To get Jared out on back

Figure out

You know what's going on with these other guys

And just be healthy

And be ready

When it counts

As that four seed

It's the best path

For where you want to go

Who's five Toronto

Atlanta right now

Because they've won an crazy number

Atlanta's a good team

I've told you guys for a year

You have

You have

I like Atlanta

The funny thing about it is

I remember Jason telling me about two years ago

He said about two years

And him and my

This team is young

They athletic

They can shoot

They can run

And two years

This is going to be a team

That a lot of the NBA is going to have to reckon with

And here we are now

And they just seem like they keep getting better

How many of they want in a row

Mike

It's a crazy number

Right

Almost double digits

I believe they lost one

And then now they're back to the winning ways

It's like 14 to 15

They're nine and one of their last 10

And 14 to last 15

Yeah

So they are taking care of these

They're on well at the right time

One last point on the defense

The Cavs last night

Or without Jared Allen

Dean Wade who rolled his ankle on a ballboy in warm-ups

Which is an issue

Max Drew's and Jalen Tyson

Who are some of their best defensive players

So you missed those four

And it's going to make a difference

On Saturday

The Cleveland Charge are back at home for their

Regular season home finale

They have clinched a playoff spot

Which means they will get

A home playoff game

And on Saturday

If you want to head out there

And see him take on the Staten Island Nets

It is also Naquan Tomlin

Bobblehead night

This is the Bobblehead

The Charge sent us one

Naquan

The former charge player now

A full-time member of the Cleveland Cavaliers will be honored

Buy the charge before the game

Tip off at 7pm

Get your tickets at clevelandcharge.com

When we come back

Zach Jackson was at Carnell Tates pro day yesterday

And he did not see Carnell Tate

Run a four to yard dash

That matter for his draft stock

And whether or not the Browns

We'll select them at six

We'll tell you

Two minutes

Welcome back to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show

The NFL was in Columbus yesterday

Because half of the NFL players

Who will be drafted were in Columbus yesterday

That's a fact

Zach will not be drafted

I don't think

But he was also one of those in attendance

Your thoughts on Ohio State's pro day yesterday

And specifically Carnell Tate

My draft stock is taint

I would not pass the physical or the background check

So I'm safer in the press box

What's your 40 time

Oh

40 seconds

How fast can I drink a 40 and not run the 40

Right

I think we're all whole English

Yeah

Yeah it's always the most attended or one of the most attended

I would tell you one of my impressions is walking out

And there's John Harbott

We're in the Giants gear

It's like whoa that's a little different

That's new

Yeah the GM's come

I saw six or seven of them

Harbott

I think he's the only head coach that I saw

But people come

Right

And like the buckeyes have maybe four top 10 picks

So um

It was interesting

Only three guys ran the 40

Carnell Tate was not one of them

We know there was a little bit of controversy

His agent tried to clear this up

Yeah it doesn't matter

It doesn't matter

They have tracking

The tape says Carnell Tate's pretty fast

Right

Carnell Tate passes the medical check

All of that stuff

They've watched him for years

The 40 doesn't matter

He even he discussed it afterwards

He said

He thought about it

That was the competitor in him

He thought he was faster than that

He took advice he he cooled off

Like that doesn't matter

This guy has played at a high level

So before we dig in on

Players specifically

I'm just curious

I should probably open with this

Pull back the curtain a little bit

On what these pro days look like

I've covered a high estate

For a number of years back

When Trussell was there

I don't recall them letting us

In to see those

Yeah it's kind of a new phenomenon

Yes

So I've never seen a pro day

So like take us through

Do you have acts like

Are the NFL people separated from the media

Are you do you have access to them at any point

And like what does the day look like

So a high estate has this

monstrous field house

All the banners and bells and whistles

The program that's got unlimited funds

We go over in the corner

Yep

Right so

It's started

The pro day will generally start

Like mid-morning

Right around this time

The guys will lift

They will do their jumps

They will meet

Individually

This is what I'm going to do today

Whatever

And like a lot of pro days

There's 30 scouts there

There's 150 to 200

NFL representatives

That's the NFL

So then after about an hour

After everybody's measured on the bench press

They'll come out

Everybody will get loose

The kicking workout starts

You just see shuttle runs

You see 40 yard dashes

Not not fancy stuff

And then every

Each position has an individual group workout

So Caleb Downs did not run

The 40

But he did the defensive back workout

No knee brace

No anything

I think that

Whatever was out there is overblown

Yeah

So many styles didn't do anything at all

Because he blew up the combine

Yeah

I'll tell you what

I laughed

He came walking around the corner

He looks like my old scar

Really

He is

Like I was stunned

Now that is high praise

Because you and I are two of the few people

Who have seen Miles

stood next to him

And know what he actually looks like

445

Sunny styles

I thought this

This is my

Like I thought it was Miles' carrot standing behind me

Wow

One of those like

Straight out of the movie's double takes

Right

So yeah

So what goes on is

It's not sexy

It's not really made for TV

It moves over the courts

It's two and a half hours or so

To see Julian saying out there

And I think that's part of the reason

Some of these GMs come

Yeah

But you know he's making 30 throws

It's a scripted workout

It's not

Under any pressure

They're not playing for points or anything

He and Carnel have worked on some throws

Can I ask you a dumb question

If you're there

If it's the quarterback

Trying to throw for the receiver

Right

Is it a different workout

Than when it's for the quarterback

You see what I'm saying

Yeah

Is it the same

It's pretty much the same

It's a little shorter

When it's for the receivers

They don't have many

They had two tight ends

But I think only one of them was working

And they had two receivers

So they brought in a Youngstown State White receiver

Who's probably not going to get drafted

It's just kind of the add a guy

So they each run through 5 or 6 rounds

There's 40 throw is made

And they go

It starts with short stuff

They let them go deep at the end

Each guy gets 8 or 10 chances

Yeah

And they move on

You mentioned sunny styles

You mentioned Caleb Downs

You said one or the two tight ends

Worked out

Was it Max Claire

It was

Kazmeric

Okay

Max Claire was there

He might have been in part of the workout

He wasn't in any of the other stuff

And then sunny styles

Brother Lorenzo Stiles has an injured

He was in a sling

So I know he lit up the combine as well

But he's about 3 inches

To 5 inches shorter

And 40 pounds lighter

Than his brother

Who's just like a cartoon character

Like I honestly

It was like I couldn't believe

What I was seeing there

And this is a guy

And Arvel Reese is nearly as big and fascist

And I think people would talk about sunny styles

As the best linebacker in the country

Except that Arvel was so good

For most of the last year

He wasn't even the best linebacker on his own team

Yeah

Right, crazy

So these guys both could go in the top 5-ish

To 7-ish picks

And the Browns hope that they do

Because the Browns are looking for the best offensive player

Or the best option to trade out

It's funny because we're both of those guys

When you hear pro scouts talk about them long-term

That they're going to eventually be edge rushes

And it's just so wild to see

Like you know

Arvel Reese

Intercity Cleveland kid man

I knew his brother very biased

I don't care where he lands

That's going to be a dude that I cheer for

His entire career

I just want to see him do well

But it's always exciting as a buck

I fan to have all these dudes

With the potential to be top 10 picks

It'll probably be 6 or 7

Gone in the first round total

So it's exciting times

The only thing that frustrates

All of us sitting up here

All that talent and we ain't

With an astronaut hat

That's right

That's right

Zach, so you were there yesterday

And I know Carnell Tates

That he believes the 40 is overvalued

And he cited guys like J.S. Ed

And Pukinakura is two people who

Didn't destroy the 40 yard dash

Have gone on to have incredible NFL careers thus far

For someone in Tates position

Who is maybe wide receiver one

Maybe not

Depending on what teams value

A guy who could be a top 10 pick

Could be a top five pick

He ran a 453 at the company

Supposed he didn't try and up that

At a track that has historically been

Incredibly favorable

To players running the 40 yard dash in the past

Do you think him not running

Help or hurt his dash?

I don't think it affects it at all

Mike

I understand why it was a talking point

Because he is a deep wall specialist

And people thought that he would be a little bit faster

But the teams have the GPS tracking

They've scouted him

He doesn't have the lingering injury

He came back and played

There's nothing

I remember three years ago when J.S.

And ran his and there was a little bit of mystery

Because people didn't think that he was that fast

He had missed some time via injury

He did it once

His time was this time

Guess what

He's arguably the best receiver on the planet

The highest paid receiver in the NFL

Yeah, right

So it's different for different guys

I was at Toledo's pro day on Monday

There was a guy that ran

He ran 449

He wanted to run it again

Why?

He's fast

He wants to get noticed

He's a Toledo guy

That's what he has to do

Right?

Carnell Tate

There's years of tape

The production is there

Teams have known about him

He didn't need to run the 40

To up it by once

Either the Titans are going to love him

Or they're not

The Giants are going to love him

Or they know by now

Just go ahead

Yeah, I agree with Zach

And I agree with Carnell

The 40 is overrated

Depending on which your situation is

And who you are

If you will stand out on Ohio State

Why receiver who has produced

Year in and year out for that

For that college then

It's not something that is

Necessary

Not only that

We all know

When you get to the NFL level

It's not about how fast or straight

Long speed is

It's about you being a route running

Assess

And one of the fastest

Doos we've ever seen

Playful Ohio State

Was tagging junior

And it took him about

Eight years into his NFL career

To really get the route running part down

Pack

And you start seeing him

Have success in Carolina

A little bit of success in New Orleans

And so

Having that straight line fee

Is cool for talking points

But it doesn't really

Mean all of that

When you own a field in real time

And I don't think so

Do you guys know the history

Of the 40 why it's the 40

I don't know

It goes all the way back to Paul Brown

All right

And when he was coaching the

Players at the military school

The maritime school

Is that A&M wasn't it?

40

40

No Paul didn't coach there

That was Bear Bryant

40 yards is how long you run to cover a punt

So that's how they were timing guys

Guess what nobody's drafted in

Cardinal Tate to cover

To cover punch

Not at all

Now people are drafting

Cardinal Tate to catch 56 yard touchdowns

To run 40 yard sideline routes

But that's the history of it

And it's just been adopted as the 40 yard dash

The 10 yard splits for the lineman

Like Ted Ginn probably had outrageous 20 and 30 yard splits

Right but like it's

That the one number on

Cardinal Tate does not define

Who he was as a college player

Who he's going to be as an NFL player

The idea

I never

I think I used to dismiss

The difference in 44 and 45

Because it's you

It's the 10th of a second

And then

When I watch my son swim

I saw the difference

In a 10th of a second

But how important

Is one 10th of a second

Because when you hear it you think it's really not that big of a deal

And I know he said like he's

Better in other ways

And I agree

Like he'll be in the top 10

He deserves being the top 10

What is the significance

Though between a 4-4 and a 4-5

Nothing if you can't catch a ball

If you can't defend and catch it

And that Cardinal Tate is a finisher

He's a reach-over guy

Yeah

Right he's in the just his body

Deep ball

True outside guy

So it matters

Very little

It's one data point

I know Brown's fans are a little scarred

By the use of data point

But it really is

And that's part of the reason

Brown's aren't big on these

Like there's some guys they want to know

But they can tell from the film

How fast you are

It was funny you said that

One-tenth of a second

You know we're so at most that in sports

Track

And the swimming pool

Race track

Yep

NASCAR tracks

Like

That's where one-tenth of a second is a big deal

So

Yeah

What

I want to go back to

Because you

I'm not just saying this because we're friends

We work together and you're sitting six feet for a minute

You can pray

Kick my butt if you want to

You are one of the few that go to all these pro days

Why do you like attending so many pro days

And what's the benefit

Well I want to see these guys up close

The top guys especially are the freaks of freaks

Like I want to see what they look like

And I'm glad you asked because about 10 years ago

Ohio State had the pro day with Zeke Elliott

Joey Bosa

And all these guys

When they set the record or tied the record

I think for most first round

Was Tyvis Powell part of that pro day?

He probably was

I think 15 or 16

Well he demands to be included in that headline group

Yeah

Joey Bosa and Tyvis Powell

But I remember

Catching up with the scout that I knew

And I said

Watching them go through the bag drills and stuff

Same stuff you see at youth football practice

Or at high school football practice

And I said

You know when you've seen these guys

What's the value here?

And he said wait a minute

I'm going to show you

He said that's a good question

He said all these guys

Were the star players in their

Eyes to star in their college

He said watch this guy

Who ended up being a fourth round pit

Go through the bags

And he said

And watch Joey Bosa do it

Like this

That's what you see

Like the difference is

Like watch these E.C. Elliott turn the corner

Right here when his E.C. Elliott was 21 years old

Like people forget

How explosive he was

222 pounds with zero body fat

Like you see the best of the best

And why teams value and why a lot of GMs

And head coaches don't miss these

The top ones as they want to see

Now there's more than

Than just seeing that

It's how they interact

Like the workout should go well

They're on their home turf

They're around their coaches

Their teammates

Their families are there

They just want to see that

But you want to see these guys

Up close in that in that setting

Because you're really trying to add it

The draft the team

Of the biggest

Strongest fastest freaks

And that doesn't mean that everybody

That's the biggest strongest fastest

As the best football players

But when you're spending this kind of

Pick on them

You want to see them up close

And see what they really look like

So then

Have you seen Andrew Berry at any of these

No

They don't

They don't believe in it

They have they

They use the tracking

Most of the time it's a young scouts

Now yesterday both assistant GMs

From the Browns award there

And that's a that's a rarity for the Browns

Agents are there they're talking to them

Yeah

They're getting a look at Julian Sand

Which you're not going to get

You know

In a lot of other places

And you are you're just kind of seeing

These guys interact in in talk like that

If you don't want to fly to

USC for a pro day

I get it

It's two hours away

There

I why not

Well I would say this last year

And I thought it was strange

That they weren't on all the top quarterbacks

But then they went and

And worked these guys out individually

Yeah

So

A lot of these top guys don't really work out anyway

Like kill a downs

DB workout was 10 minutes

Yeah

Carnel Tate ran

Eight full speed routes

Yeah

So like the debate is

What are you really getting out of it

But I remember going back to

I mean how many GMs did you say were there

Like at least seven that I saw

You know

But hasn't this been Angela Berry's norm

Correct me

Oh it has

It has been the norm

The ones I've been to

I've never seen him a one

I'm not saying the GM has to be at every one

I'm not saying that

You have

One of the two to three most dominant football programs

In the country over the last

Let us affect

And they ride down the street

They're right down the street

And your owner has a plane

He loves to take everywhere

He can be there in 15 minutes

I don't need that

I just don't understand

I don't see the harm in having

I agree

It seems like

I don't want to make a big deal

But I don't want

Like don't clip this and make this

No

I'm not trying

I know what you're saying

Especially when

People from the Pittsburgh still

They show up there

I just don't understand

It's a philosophy thing

Like it was strange

To not see Mike Tom on there

Because he was there

Every single year

It was strange to not see

Vrable there

Because even when he was the head coach of the Titans

He would be jumping in front of the drills

And doing the defensive

Like running the defensive line drills

Like there was a young brown scout

Who was running the shuttle

Run

And he was out there explaining to the guys

This is where we time you

If you don't hit this cone

We're going to do

Well Mike Vrable used to be out there

himself as a head coach

So it's a philosophical thing

I don't

I agree

That it's strange

And I agree

People can say what are you doing here

Like John Harbaugh sees value

In meeting these guys up close

And watching them out close

And watching them

They didn't do that

Now go and cook in Catherine Hickman

We're there

Catherine Hickman was at the Toledo pro day

Timing somebody in the forward

Like

So they do feel some value in it

But he chooses not to go

Now are they busy

With other things

Yes

But it's a fair question to ask Jason

It really is

Why is it a manual

He did not run

At the top of the hour

When we

When YouTube joins

We're going to talk about

All this miles care at stuff

But you mentioned sunny styles

Looks like miles care

30 seconds

Because I don't want to

Turn any more than that

Is there any possible chance

That all of this is connected

They would take sunny styles

Of six and trade

I don't I don't think so

I think this team has to go offence

I think this team wants to trade down

And is rooting for these defensive guys

To be the great prospects

That they're heralded to be

So they get that opportunity

I would be stunned

If our values are sunny styles are killed

Downs as a Cleveland Brown

Because those guys play in the defensive side of the ball

All right

Taking a break we come back

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Ports of the show

Before the YouTube body

And joins us to the 11th

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Welcome back

The Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show

It's opening day

Mikey

You know like Michael Mikey

Let's do it guys

We're going to play a little game

Of filling the blanks

For the Guardians

Upcoming 2026 season

Earl we're starting with you

The Guardians

Will win

How many games in 2026

Finishing

What place in the A.O. Central

And we'll

Blank in the playoffs

That last blank is your playoff prediction

Earl start us off

Fill in the blanks

With your 2026 prediction for the Guardians

The Guardians will win 90 games

They will finish in second place

We'll make the wildcard

And they will lose an individual round

Of the playoffs

The Guardians will win 91 games

Okay

Finish first

Okay

Earl Central

And we'll lose in the A.O.C.S

Is Tarek Scoobles

Arm going to fall off?

Yes

Yeah I can't take the Guardians

To win the division

Not over the Tigers

I sure I think they're too good

I'll say 88

I think they'll win 88 games

Will finish second

And unfortunately

I don't think they have a long playoff life

I will say that they lose in the wildcard round

Unfortunately

All three of you

Were plus 500

Yep

In the 88 to 91 range

Zack, if you had gone first

Would you have said 91

Or intentionally tried one up Earl

No, I was going 91

Because we had the 90 graphic earlier in the show

So I was going 91

I was going 90 does does

Because what they do

Look, the bottom of this division is mud

Right

So if you hit at all

The twins are awful

The socks will be better

Like there is a world

I mean you're counting on guys

Who can never stay healthy to stay healthy

Like I'm just as excited as everybody else

To see what an outfield of De Lauderdquan and Valera

Looks like

While fully acknowledging

De Lauderdquan missed two months in Valera

Valera's already hurt

They didn't make it a spring training healthy

And then what

So like

And I get why we keep focusing

And you want to focus on

Okay if everything goes right

This is what can happen

It will talk to Zach Meisel about it here in about 30 minutes

But there is

There is an ulterior world where

This does not go the way that we envision

Where it is back to guys in the outfield

That you don't really want to see out there

So I'm just being

I'm just trying to stay realistic

I think 88 is great

That's a good year for this team

But I can see a world where they remember you need to get in

I see a world where the tigers live up to the height

They could also win 75

And finish third

Behind the royals

But if they only win 75

That means something went wrong with the pitching too

Right

Well that's not a question

With arm injuries this year

With the state arm injuries in baseball

And again I'm picking them when 88 go to the playoffs

So I'm just saying I don't think it's out of the question

To see a sub 500 season

They're due

They got 75 million dollar payroll

Like most teams 75 million dollar payroll win 60 games

And we're saying they should win 90

And in the batting stats from last year

They're down there with all those teams

Yep

And it gets just outrageous

But if they hit

They're gonna win

And I think

So real quick Jason

You just mentioned the fact that their payroll 74 million in change

That obviously

Takes off the books of class A and or T

So it was a little higher

You subtract those two

And you get to the

Second lowest payroll of baseball

Is it the innate confidence in the guardians

And that organization

Their ability to somehow pull 90 wins out of a hat

Just the reason to be optimistic

If this was