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All right, everybody.

Welcome to Monday.

I'm Andrew Eger, I'm filling in for Sam Stein,

who usually sits in the chair right here

to talk to Will Summer, our mega media reporter about,

usually I think the way this show is billed

is the stuff that went online over the weekend.

It's a little different this time around.

We're having kind of a meat space, mega Mondays

because a lot of the mega people

were showing up in person.

But I think I actually don't know why Sam is gone.

I assume maybe like Yukon's win.

Well, I was checking, apparently he said

he has to spend more time looks maxing.

And it related to, he read one of our topics this week.

And he said, oh my gosh, do you think that hitting your face

in the bone, hitting yourself in the face

for the hammer works?

And I said, Sam, don't believe it.

But anyways, that's why he dropped off.

Yes, so we'll be really excited to have Sam back here

next week, you know, jawline much improved from before.

I'm also excited to be here just a point of personal privilege.

Everybody is always getting Will and me mixed up

on our videos.

They're always calling me Will and him and Drew.

And it's a big problem.

So if you're watching out there right now,

maybe you can use this opportunity to sort of memorize

various differentiations in our facial features.

We are both sort of pale and gingery.

But we actually, we're not completely carbon copies

of one another and you can carry that forward

with you into all forthcoming bullwork content.

But the first thing we're here to talk about

is to actually get into the thing that I said,

meet space, mega Mondays.

And the reason for that is because the conservative political

action conference has been meeting,

are they finished now?

Yeah, they're done.

Yeah, I believe they started on Thursday

and finished on Saturday.

OK, so we just wrapped up the latest, the latest CPAC.

CPAC is a bizarre beast.

I used to cover it myself year after year.

Once upon a time, sort of like a meeting of the minds,

we sort of build that way as like, let's all get together

and talk about policy thing.

More and more over the years, sort of turned

into let's just meet all of our favorite stars

from right-wing media and just try to have a little confab.

And then not just our favorite stars from right-wing media,

but also our favorite right-wing lunatics.

And then it kind of turned into a giant Trump fest.

And it's been sort of strange.

I haven't been to CPAC in a little while.

Well, can you just kind of give me like a flavor of what

the deal is with CPAC these days?

What's kind of the space that it occupies

in the right-wing media world right now?

Well, so this is the question I hope we can get to the bottom

of today.

On one hand, I think after Charlie Kirk's assassination,

there was so much talk about turning point U.S.A.

and people were saying America Fest, which is sort of like

their big conference, has a clip CPAC over the past few years.

And I think people were more or less right about that.

But I was like, well, that's not really true.

CPAC really, you know, in the trash.

And the answer I think after this weekend is, yes.

CPAC is over, it's washed, it's unk, whatever they say.

The Gen Z people say.

You know, it is this typically CPAC, which of course

stands for the conservative political action conference.

I mean, this used to be the annual big gathering,

the straw poll mattered a lot about like who

would be the next presidential contender from the right.

But now I think we're seeing that CPAC is kind of tired.

Look, we still got a lot of crazy lunatics.

I mean, we got day one, we got a confrontation

between Elijah Schaefer, who's a guy

I've written a lot about, kind of the trad guy

on the skids after his affair was revealed.

And the guy named Current Revolt, who's kind of like a right

winger, who does a great job terrorizing these guys

with reporting on them.

And at one point, he asked, one of Elijah's minions,

he said, are you twink number one or twink number two?

Because Elijah hangs out with all these young men.

And the guy said, I'm twink number one, pal.

You know, so I mean, there was a lot of weirdness

that we'll get into.

But I think overall, the broader thing is like,

I think both CPAC and I think the MAGA movement

or broadly, I think we're seeing this kind of lack of energy,

this division is really getting to people.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's kind of funny,

because like we sort of in the outside pundit space

have sort of been developing this feeling about CPAC

for a number of years.

Like you show up and you take in all the programming

and you're like, what did we really learn?

And like, was there any point to it?

And you'll see think pieces like, do we all spend too much time

paying attention to CPAC, that kind of thing?

But this was like the first time that at least I personally

witnessed CPAC attendees making some of these similar

sort of arguments, I mean, I don't know,

maybe we can play that that that Patriots prey clip here.

Yeah, so this guy's like a sort of random right wing

influencer with like 30,000 followers,

sort of like a seed tier type guy.

But even he, this is the guy who in the past

would just be like, I'm sure like, oh, match slap,

like you're the king, man, like, you know,

get me on the good podcast, that's match slap

the head of CPAC.

But now he's just trash in the place.

I think he's sensing that the direction to be going in

is kind of distancing yourself from the traditional

MAGA movement.

So let's play that clip.

This is how much I'm standing on what I believe.

I left out of the event.

I was backstage.

I was backstage with Ted Cruz.

I was backstage with everybody.

And I confronted them on what they're doing here

and the lies that they're telling you guys about the rooms

being full, they're not full.

They're bullshit.

This is supposed to be an America first movement.

It's not.

There are more other countries flags here than American flags

here.

And I refuse to stay next to the bullshit.

CPAC is falling.

CPAC is falling.

I won't tie my brand next to it.

This is trash.

All right.

So for what it's worth, the Patriot prayer brand

or the prayerful Patriot, that brand

is no longer associated with CPAC.

What did you make of that, Andrew?

Can I just say I think there's a zero percent chance

that that's true that other countries flags are dwarfing

America?

Maybe, maybe, who knows?

Maybe you've seen stuff on this.

CPAC, a very star-spangled sort of event as far as every,

almost like ostentatiously, ludicrously.

So anytime I've ever been there in the past,

but maybe it's changed, has it changed?

Well, let's build on that.

So when someone says there's too many foreign flags here,

my mind instantly goes to Israel, right?

And the idea that Israel is dominating Donald Trump

this kind of growing wave of anti-Israel

and often anti-Semitic criticism in the party.

But I think there's actually something else at play here,

which is that CPAC this year was a huge stage

for Reza Palavi, the sort of the man who would be Shah of Iran.

And so I think when he's saying that that is who CPAC,

there's too many foreign flags,

I think it's often about these kind of Iranian diaspora

of people who are the only ones

who are really showing any kind of energy at CPAC.

This is, of course, the Shah's son, I guess,

who spoke and is sort of positioning himself

as like the American puppet who could be installed.

And there's a lot of pictures of semi-empty rooms at CPAC,

but the Shah, the would be Shah, had a really packed room.

And then, of course, as soon as he's gone,

everyone's gone.

And I think, like I said,

I think these are Iranians living in the United States.

I don't think that there's this natural grassroots,

typical Trump conservative outpouring for Reza Palavi.

Yeah, yeah.

And when you talk about typical Trump conservative stuff,

anywhere at CPAC, I mean, that's always been one

of the weird things about it is the sample that it draws from,

even though media people like us have tried to sort of use it

as sort of a barometer of grassroots opinion,

like the straw polls that you were talking about before.

Just because it's easy, it's like,

you could go out into the world and spend a lot of time

like trying to do really careful polling

and man on the street interviews for anecdotes,

like out there in the, out there in the,

in flyover country, in the sticks or, you know,

if you're like a DC reporter,

you could just wait for CPAC and wait for, you know,

a bunch of, you know, red hat-wearing people who, you know,

watch a lot of Fox News to sort of travel in.

And then you could just mill around in the,

at the Gaylord Hotel in Oxon Hill, Maryland and, you know,

talk to some of them and see what they clap at

and see what they don't clap at and see how they vote

in the straw poll and it was like pre-packaged and it was easy.

And that was sort of the, that was sort of part of the mystique

that like Matt Schlapp was selling about the event is like,

it's actually good for the media to come

and like find out what Real America's all about.

But even before it was sort of,

it was the whatever insane sort of micro subslice

of, quote, unquote, Real America,

was willing to travel across the country

like to, and pay a bunch of money to like meet Ben Shapiro.

You know, like that's like the kind of people

that it was that it was pulling from.

And even though they were like, you know,

from the Texas Panhandle or whatever,

that didn't necessarily make them any more representative

than they had been before.

And I feel like now, you know, as CPAC has sort of

receded further into the, like, even more so than ever now,

it's just sort of like longtime fans of CPAC itself

or what are the people who come to CPAC.

And, and I don't know, like, am I crazy about like,

it just doesn't seem like it was ever really representative,

but like, especially in this moment now.

Yeah, no, I think you're right on it.

I think it's particularly unrepresentative at this moment.

You know, number one, like, we haven't even mentioned,

Matt Schlapp had these kind of sexual assault allegations

and, you know, these accusations

that he was attacking men and sort of bouncing on them,

which I think has kind of hurt the broader

Schlapp family brand, you know,

sorry, I feel like his power is diminished in Washington

and kind of in the broader conservative movement.

But, you know, in terms of CPAC as a representation,

as you said, I mean, this was like the party hardcore,

but also people who were like willing to like fly

to, you know, Prince George's County,

go to National Harbor and, you know,

as you said, to meet like a cool blogger that they like.

On the other hand, I think it's even less representative now

when the GOP is really splitting along these lines,

these Nick Fuente's lines, these, you know,

I don't even think grippers really bothered managing

to trying to sneak in or anything this year.

I mean, I think that's really the ultimate sign

that it doesn't matter when Nick Fuente says

and getting frog marched out.

You know, to that end, Josh Hammer,

who's very much on kind of like the pro-Israel side,

he raised the, what we know is kind of the,

the Royling right wing podcast civil war,

if we could play that clip.

Get that in.

I don't know for a fact.

Well, I wonder whether or whether Matt,

we tried that, we tried to get the Josh Hammer clip thrown

in at the very last second here.

Feel free to, you know, just drop that in.

Me talking about it, but I will just talk about it

until we get it up.

And basically what you have is Josh Hammer.

He is this, he's a, he's a sort of national conservative guy,

you know, very sort of critic of, of sort of like fusionism

and the pre-existing sort of bush conservative consensus

or whatever.

But he's also, he's Jewish, he's very pro-Israel.

And he kind of, kind of part of his, his whole,

kind of the niche he's found himself in

in the sort of modern new right space

is saying, sure, maybe we should be a little less,

like liberal, maybe we should be a little less, you know,

a little more.

And let me cut that off.

I think we have that clip.

Let's run that clip.

Oh, cool, let's do it.

Each hard right denizens of podcasts

to say and reject the fundamental essence

of MAGA, much like the Neo Marxist left,

the retard right doesn't think America was ever great.

And they certainly don't think

that America is capable of being made great once again.

They are therefore explicitly anti-MAGA.

In fact, they are actually just anti-American.

Shots are trying to get edgy there, you know,

he's dropping the R word, like this is,

this guy's kind of finding himself

on the wrong side of the divide, right?

Because he's like pro-Israel, he's, you know,

I think correctly opposed to the rise of anti-Semitism

in the party, but he's like,

but he knows that the dynamism unfortunately

is with the groipers, is with Megan Kelly,

who's aligned herself there with Candace Owens.

So he's like, how do I win Gen Z back?

Well, I guess I could use some slurs, I suppose.

So, and, you know, he's dropping that.

And you can tell the audience, they're either not with it

or they're just like, what is this guy talking about?

Like podcasts to stand?

So I think this is, you know,

we saw some of this civil war stuff

kind of creeping out at CPAC as well.

Yeah, I mean, this particular one is so fascinating

to me because the lines are so messy, right?

And I think like guys like Josh Hammer

guys like, you know, the radio host Mark Leven,

who are a lot more hawkish, who are a lot more sort of

classically anti-Iran and think, you know,

we need to go over there and just, you know, flex

and take out the Ayatollas and smash their nuclear program,

all that sort of stuff.

I mean, you're right that the dynamism in the party

is 100% the opposite direction.

You know, they probably still have like a majority,

you know, the median Republican Maga guy

is with them on that stuff, but all the movement,

all the growth is on the other side of the coin.

But Donald Trump has sort of shown himself personally,

recently, to be extraordinarily anti-Iran, right?

Like he is right there with them.

He's deploying their strategies.

And so it's given them this weird opportunity

to really sort of rally around the flag of Trump

and say, you know, it's the Megan Kelly's of the world

and it's the Tucker Carlson's of the world,

who are the weirdos and the ones who are not Maga

and they're the ones who you should think of as rhinos

and kick to the curve and fire out of the coalition.

And it's weird because sometimes

it seems like Trump is with them

and he's obviously with them on the substance here.

Like a couple of weeks ago, he, you know,

Megan Kelly and Mark Levin were going at it

and insanely personal terms at one another.

Maybe you guys talked about it on another

Megan Monday's before where Megan Kelly

and Mark Levin is saying, yeah.

And they're going at it again this weekend.

I mean, they're, you know, let's keep things above the belt.

That's what I would say to them.

I mean, they're really going for it.

But Donald Trump, you know, in the midst of that fight,

he fires off a truth social post that's just like

back in Mark Levin to the hill.

He's the great one.

You know, he's one of the best we've got.

And then at the same time, you have this Josh Hammer

versus, you know, podcast to stand fight.

And you have Trump staffers, young like Gen Z Trump staffers,

like Alec Brusowitz who are saying who does Josh Hammer

think he is, you know, to declare himself

the arbiter of who's Maga and who's not.

Like, is there any through line to the, like,

how do you tease out this weird, like,

muddy intro right fight?

You know, Sam and I were talking about,

maybe I should do a thing with like a whiteboard

and we put the faces on and we kind of show

who's feuding with who, because it's interesting.

I mean, like, let's take this fight over, like,

is CPAC dead, right?

On one hand, you have a lot of the groipers.

You have these far right figures who are very opposed

to the kind of establishment brand represented

by Matt Schlapp and CPAC.

We're saying CPAC is over.

On the other hand, you have someone like Laura Loomer

who sees JD Vance win the straw poll.

Now, Laura Loomer is opposed to JD Vance essentially

because he's seen as a more isolationist,

more Israel skeptical candidate.

She says only 10 people win to CPAC this year.

So this is totally irrelevant.

Now, Mershady's slap, I mean,

this is like a tongue twister all these slaps.

She is Matt Schlapp's wife and sort of a Republican

operative in her own right.

And she posts a picture.

I would say.

Mershady's wife.

Yes, long suffering is right.

And what is basically still to me like a third empty room?

And she's like, oh, yeah, no one win to CPAC.

I mean, you can tell.

I mean, that's not that big of a room.

I've seen, you know, certainly bigger circus away performances

and things like, I mean, this is not like,

to me, the face of a party that is going to like

go beast mode on the midterms.

So there's kind of this few great we can take that down.

Thanks.

There is this sense of kind of just like bad feelings

all around, I would say.

And actually, if we could, the other thing to jump off of here

is, so Josh Hammer is saying essentially,

get in line with Trump.

We love the war, you know, quiet podcast is damn.

On the other hand, Brandon Stracka.

Now this guy, this is a guy who founded the walk away movement.

Now, what did you walk away from the Democratic party?

Because he was a gay hairdresser.

This was maybe a decade ago at this point.

This is a guy who's very much a creature

of the modern Trumpist Republican party.

He gets up there and he says,

Trumpism has become a personality cult.

We got to stop attacking people like Marjorie Taylor Green,

who is my buddy.

So I don't know if we can play that clip.

Let me tell you something.

If you call yourself a patriot,

but you believe that it is your obligation

to only praise and only worship your president,

then you must not be a patriot of this country.

Because leader worship is how citizens behave

in nations that aren't free.

So that's pretty interesting there.

I mean, and he's getting beyond the like,

I'm not happy with Israel stuff that we're seeing.

He's getting into like, this is,

Trumpism is a personality cult.

We need to get away from it.

Which is kind of crazy to be saying

it's CPAC for a guy who by the way,

was charged after January 6th for his role in the riot.

I mean, this is not a like, Trump milk tells guy.

I love the idea that specifically that pitch that Trump is,

Trumpism is now becoming a personality cult.

Like, look, we had a long run.

We got a lot of good stuff done with Maga,

but now 10 years in, there are worrying signs

that actually this is all just sort of like scaffolding

the world trying to put up around one guy.

And maybe there's maybe there's not a lot

of like actual intellectual underpinning here at all.

And maybe it is really just this one big president

and the things he wants to see happen.

It's a little easier, I guess, to feel that

once Donald Trump swerves away from a specific promise

that you really liked and throws in with the war people

instead of the anti-war people.

I mean, do you see this sort of thing as like genuine?

Do you see this sort of thing as like,

an actual like, revelation to guys like this?

Or is it purely just sort of posturing

for like the co-alitional fights that are coming, you know, next?

I mean, I think it's interesting.

I mean, I think the Brandon Strocka of it all is intriguing

because this is a guy who is relatively unique.

He likes in fighting a lot.

He's feuding with Scott Pressler.

People may remember as the another gay man

with very luxurious locks who does voter registration

of Brandon Strocka, I think basically thinks

that Scott Pressler ate his nachos

and kind of stole his old stick.

But it's also kind of a Megan Kelly situation

where I think we're seeing people who very much kind of go

which way the wind blows and thrive by being like about a half step

ahead of the mood of the party.

And he's saying, oh boy, I better not get up there and say,

you know, it's time to seize Carr Gailland up with the Shah.

You know, he's saying, oh, you know,

I gotta start getting a little Trump critical

which if I'm the Trump administration,

I'm like, what the heck, the walk away guy

is walking away from us?

That's not a good time.

Yeah, yeah, man, every time we talk about this stuff,

first of all, I'm like picturing people out in the audience

sort of like trying to like furiously get down everybody's name

and like, I guess here's another guy I need to pay attention

to another mega character I need to have in my role

of decks or my constellation of all these chuds.

And then on the other hand, it just keeps coming back

to me over and over again how crazy it is

that we basically do have like a party that is 100%

just sort of all the conversation is filtered through these

influencers who like, I mean, just every bit about it

is like getting market share and like elbowing each other

out of the way.

And you know, all these policy fights are sort of downstream

from that and a lot of it has to do with loyalty to Trump

but now less so than before and there's different strategies

in terms of maybe now you can inch a little further away

and be like, I'm not like one of those guys

who just dines out on my loyalty to Trump.

I'm a real guy, I'm a free thinker.

I mean, maybe I overthink it because I'm online

a lot like you are, but it really does seem like this

sort of the beating heart of the way that these fights play out

in Republican politics right now.

No, I mean, I think it is.

And look, I mean, thought he and she don't have to worry

about Brandon Straca, trust me.

That's what we're here for.

We'll let you know.

We'll let you know when he resurfaces, right?

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OK, I think should we move on to what people really came here for?

Yes, the pot has the mini misdeeds of Clivicular.

Yes, yes.

Long time, long time Maga Mondays heads,

the man who needs no introduction for these guys Clivicular,

the looks man.

Sure, answer.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're all, we've been,

we've been quietly taking, taking tips from him.

You're like Sam, like we said at the top,

Sam's going to come back next week, jawline enhanced,

and we'll, we'll be right behind him.

What, what, what, what's our buddy Clivicular been up to, Will?

Yeah, so Clivicular, as you said,

I mean, this is a guy who is this sort of quasi-fascist

adjacent figure who's famous for looks, Maxing.

He'll go to any links to look handsome.

And so he'll smoke meth to pick up girls at the club.

He'll take all these weird drugs.

And so Clivicular, you know, he had obviously a big spade of news.

I think about a month ago, we wrote about him,

the New York Times wrote about him, whatever.

But now he's kind of been doing his thing.

He's doing, I think, 30 days of Clivicular madness

to try to kind of stay in the spotlight.

But there was maybe a bit too much Clivicular madness.

So on Thursday night, Clivicular was arrested.

This was right after he had done,

he had shot up a dead crocodile or alligator, I suppose.

Yep, there's the, there's the, yeah,

let's, oh, let's take that down, poor, poor gator.

But that's kind of what it looked like.

I mean, I do think a lot of Clivicular's behavior

can be explained by the fact that he,

I mean, he's very open about this.

He's on enormous amounts of drugs at all times,

a lot of which reduce your inhibitions.

And so I think this is very good

for picking up girls in the club.

But I think it's also bad if you don't want to mag dump

into a gator online on, you know, camera.

So that's where we're at.

So he was arrested and people thought it was about the gator,

but it was in fact about something else.

Say more.

Sure, so, sure, so about a month ago,

Clivicular, this was when I was writing about him and this,

it was sort of like, there was this incident involving

an influencer named Jenny Popatch.

And look, I mean, this, you know,

you talk about people we don't need to worry about, right?

This is someone who exists in a totally different,

kind of like, you know, character realm.

But basically what appeared to happen was Clivicular,

he had this girlfriend and he felt not Jenny.

This is another woman.

He was on camera saying to his girlfriend, like,

because he's always live streaming, right?

And he's saying like the audience thinks you're boring,

you know, you're never creating drama on the stream.

And by the way, Clivicular is also out, like,

always hooking up with girls, right?

And so what's up with his girlfriend?

Why, I guess she doesn't care.

So then he gets this Jenny Popatch woman, not Jenny Popatch,

right, Jenny Popatch.

And he brings her back to his house, seemingly to be like,

maybe you want to hook up with Clivicular or like party at the house

and then the girlfriend emerges.

And so it seems like he kind of set her up for this drama

and then the girlfriend's like,

get away from my looks, Max, her.

And then they start just brawling, right?

And keep in mind, like, Clivicular has all these security,

all these middle-aged men who are like, oh, brother,

they're not getting involved.

So basically, she filed a police report, Jenny did.

I think with the allegation that like, Clivicular kind of

lured me into this situation to get beat up.

And that is what he got arrested over.

However, he's also being invested for the alligator thing.

Can we throw that tweet up?

Yeah, so here it says, the Florida Wildlife,

I think commission is aware of a video

depicting individuals in the Everglades on an airboat

who are discharging firearms at an alligator.

Okay, so they say they're looking into it.

So we can take that down.

But basically, you never want some like wildlife commission

looking into you, because that stuff,

I mean, that's like Carl Hayas and novel situations

and or Orchid thief, right?

So I would say Clivicular, watch out.

I do like the idea that, I don't know,

it just seems like a strange collision of worlds to me

to have your influencers who are all so influenced

or so their whole world is this aesthetics match.

Aesthetics maxing that they are getting themselves

to the hottest possible frame and they're carving everything

else away so that they can go into the Everglades

and shoot at wildlife, which seems to be like,

you didn't have to do all that.

You can go into the Everglades and shoot a wildlife

and not stream yourself.

You can go out in nature and sort of participate

in America's great poor gun safety tradition

and get hopped up on drugs.

You can do all that without even the looks maxing part.

That's a whole separate American tradition

that Clivicular appears now to be dabbling in.

Well, the gun has always been interesting.

We're obviously familiar with the term check-offs gun.

We've been dealing with Clivicular's gun for a while

where the gun is kind of floating out there

in an ominous way.

Like he, at one point, he would be kind of checking it

when hanging out on the party bus

or he'd be aiming it at someone he felt was harassing him.

And so now this may be kind of the ultimate Clivicular gun

incident that brings him down in the end.

You kind of point at this.

There's also this thing about Clivicular

where people, everyone he hangs out with, he seems to hate.

And he sort of seems like it's sort of like

if they took you or I and we're like,

all right, hang out on this Miami party bus

and we'll be like, oh brother.

There was this clip of him talking to a girl from Syria

and he said, oh, what do you think of the Syrian civil war?

And she was like, what?

Like, I don't know about it.

And it was almost like he was like,

well, what do you think of the al-Nusra front?

He was ready to jump in on it.

So I think he remains trapped in a prison of his own devising.

And he's a, again, why does he matter?

Well, he's kind of this face of this kind of nihilistic

right wing world.

And what do you make of that?

Well, that is such a good question

because I genuinely don't know.

Like, I understand that this guy has this sort of like

political valence to him where he's hanging out

with all these or he was, at least for a brief moment

hanging out with all these like political streamers,

you know, guys like Nick Quintess or guys like Andrew Tate,

you know, who make this sort of horrible

revanchist right wing politics sort of like a lifestyle brand

where it's basically like, you know,

it's all sort of like of a piece.

You're like, you're gonna be horrible to women

and you're gonna vote, you know, fascist.

And that's how you're going to sort of like

achieve self-actualization and be happy

and also by consuming a lot of

Andrew Tate and Nick Quintess and Clivicular's content.

But also he has, it doesn't seem like he has any like

actual political aims.

You know, he's just like this guy who's sort of emerged

like blinking in the sunlight into this space.

And you know, when he has been asked by like,

you know, right wing podcasts about, you know,

what he, how he actually sees politics,

he'll say weird stuff like, you know,

I totally vote for Gavin Newsom over JD Vance

because JD Vance is sort of overweight

and has a recessed side profile and Gavin Newsom

is sort of hot and has good hair and all that stuff.

And so like, is it still true that this guy sort of

actually represents anything like right wing and political

or was that just sort of like a weird blip

in the development of Clivicular looks maxing streamer

who just sort of brushed up against politics

for a weird second?

No, I think Clivicular is still very much

a sort of right wing reactionary character.

You know, he very much represents this world

where like given this nihilism, this idea that young men,

you have, the world is stacked against you

in this kind of extreme way that you have to go to.

I mean, it's very depressing hearing the talk where it's like,

it's not about, you know, finding love

by developing your personality or interest,

being someone, you know, someone would like to be married to.

But it's like, no, you need to smoke meth.

You know, that's a pretty dark image.

And he's still hanging out with these people.

But, you know, you mentioned the Vance thing

and I think this points to people might be saying,

well, who cares about Clivicular?

You know, he's this, obviously he's an odd character.

But I would like to point to his,

he's influenced in our national discourse.

People have noticed over the past few weeks

that JD Vance has lost a lot of weight.

There's been speculation is JD Vance on red a true tribe.

These sort of the new level of ozembek.

Now, look, I don't think that's true.

I don't know.

But he has slimmed down and you can kind of market too

when JD Vance said Gavin Newsom maged, or excuse me,

when Clivicular said JD Vance,

maged, or Newsom maged JD Vance,

saying that he was much more handsome, right?

And that JD Vance had some pounds to lose.

So did that prompt JD Vance to go on a diet

and maybe get into some GLP ones?

I don't know.

It is really crazy that the degree to which

sort of everybody living extremely online

has totally flattened out the world

where anybody who goes mega viral,

the vice president's gonna see it.

Or like, and it's not just like weird little stuff like this.

I mean, it's just a one other random example.

Donald Trump appears to have gotten his idea

to send ice to airports from a random lady

who called into Clay Travis and Buck Sexton's podcast

and suggested that several days

before, and then Clay Travis goes on Fox News

and he brings it up and these clips go viral on the internet

and then lo and behold, ice is actually marching into airports.

I mean, the internet and the way that it connects things

to other things in a way that you wouldn't necessarily expect.

And it goes around the pre-existing networks

and who you know stuff matters so much less

because if you happen to get an algorithmic hit,

somebody in the White House is probably gonna see it

and maybe they'll even send ice to airport

or maybe they'll even start popping those in pick

or injecting, I guess you inject those in pick,

you don't pop it, that's my understanding.

I think that's right, doesn't matter.

But yeah, I mean, you're right,

I mean, we know JD Vance is a very online guy already.

So there's no way someone wasn't like,

Mr. Vice President, you know, they say, you're annoyed

who's getting lost, you know, I mean, you definitely saw that.

Yeah, an impediment has arisen, JD.

There's a problem you've got on your hands.

You won the seat back straw poll, but we got some bad news.

Right, right, right.

Yeah, I do wonder if that is some small comfort to JD

in this trying time, although Marco Rubio

nipping at his heels in that seat back straw poll.

Okay, thanks, well, as always,

for coming on and talking through all this stuff.

Is there anything else we need to hit

before we split?

I don't think so.

I mean, look, we got another false flag coming out tonight

sign up, you know, it's gonna be about Mike Cernovich

and his newfound criticism of Trump,

so that should be exciting.

You know, I'll ask him maybe plays a role.

So check it out, you know, as always,

thank you everyone for joining MAGA Monday.

We'll be back next week.

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