Cream Queens: Thursday, March 5th, 2026

0:00Good morning, girlies. It's the Tollos. It's Jackson Claude and where your hoes. It's your favorite show, the fast-five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast in Appy. Thursday. Yeah, that's right. We made it to the latter half of the week. Pat yourselves on the back. Pat yourself on the back. Hey, Jacks. Hey, Dern. Dern good. Excited that it's Thursday. Yeah. Excited that we're both matching today. Creamy vibe. Did you see categories? Cream. Creamy. Cream queens. Sounds like a porno, like title. We're always singing very titillating title. That'll kind of force people to click, you know, curiosity. Cream queens. But that's us today. We are so creamy. Yes, we are. I'm wearing a shirt that I put on. I was like, I feel

1:04like I'm wearing Jackie's clothes. I love it. Thanks. Where'd you get it? Nutes. I figured. Yeah. I don't know how I feel about wearing short sleeves. You know, don't you feel like wearing short sleeves as a person who had a baby, somewhat recently. It's kind of a brave thing to do. It's not even shorts. Like short sleeves are just so juvenile. Like it's so middle school. Well, but no, I'm saying not. I said, I love your sweater and I want your sweater. Not about you and your sweater, but there is something just so juvenile about short sleeves. Certain types of short sleeves. I don't know what it was. Something about my shirt today. So short sleeve. Like I'm kind of walking into the room sleeves first. Yeah. And I feel like we talked about this the last time Maggie Rogers went to the Grammys and wore short sleeve gown. Like a short sleeve gown is insane. Yeah. Certain types of short sleeves are just more obvious than others. And I feel like yes, mine today are just so obvious. Yeah, but it has nothing to do with like arm size or anything. It just has to do with like attitude. You know, of course, like, oh, I have gym

2:05class today. I'm sure it's free. Yeah. But a mature woman has a long arm. But all to say, I love your sweater. I'm really not knocking your sweater. I'm actually like, of course, of course, we're wearing. It comes with matching pants, but it's too hot. Oh, wow. I wish I were wearing. It's not about you. But they're like, we need to discuss short sleeves because I feel like we actually talk a lot about cap sleeves, which are just like an insane. No, that's not a real thing. Not in I like that. That's not a real thing. I don't even want to like dignify cap sleeves or the discussion. Yeah. Short sleeves are just crazy. They're not crazy. They're just. They're just interesting. You know, yeah, I do. I don't have a lot of short sleeves unless my t-shirt in which case. Yeah. And we have PA t-shirt is different though. I'm taking the presidential fitness test today. T-shirt is different. Yeah. Oh, my God. All those tests like the presidential fitness test, the BJ is if you didn't go to a Jewish school, you don't know the BJ, the read the regents. The regency is where Tom cheated on his wife. I took my regents at the regency. She's

3:06a hot class woman, you know, the regents, the BJ is like all those standardized tests. Of course, the SAT is like, please, I can't get back to everyone knows that. I was just talking about this over the weekend. Did I ever tell you guys a story about the time my SAT tutor like fainted like in our session? I don't think so, but that was the same tutor I had, right? No, no, no, different tutor. We went through a couple of tutors. And this was before I were like my tutor that changed my life. His name was snail. It took me a while to find him. So before snail, there was a woman. She would come to the house for like little sessions. And I remember one time I was home alone, which like we weren't kids who were home alone a lot. Like either just because we had a lot of siblings, but also we just didn't grow up in a house where we were left home alone. No. It was kind of like against the rules. And I was home alone, which was just freaky. And she came over and she was like, is it okay if I eat my soup during our session? I was like, of course, she had her soup. She was like slurping on at the entire time. And towards the end of the session, I was like, right, thanks so much. She was like, you know, I feel like there might have been gluten in that soup.

4:10I'm really not feeling well. I'm allergic to gluten. And I was like, oh, can you be like, I'm so uncomfortable. And she was like, do you mind if I just like lay my head down for a second? And I was like, okay. So she like dead ass like collapsed on the dining room table, like head on like sprawled out. And I just sort of like sat there and watched. I really didn't know what to do. I was so scared. Mostly I just wanted her out. Like if she was going to have a medical episode, like please do it in the lobby or like just elsewhere because I'm a child. And like I personally just can't take this off. I'm taking the SATs. Like I have a lot on my plate right now. And so she just sort of laid there for a while. And then she picked her head up. I was like, okay, thank you. I'll go. And I said, that's amazing. I'm calling snail. Yeah. And I do believe that was one of our last sessions. And when everyone got home later, that night, I told them what happened. I don't know if you remember. And everyone was like, that's really weird. I'm like, no, it's really weird. Like what if she was like starting to throw up or like I would have been in college. So I wasn't home. Where the hell was everyone?

5:14I was in college. Olivia was in college. Really? When do you take your SATs? You start studying your year. You study as a junior? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You were in college. I was in college. I was in college. Olivia was probably home because Olivia went to NYU. And she was like always hanging in. Was in home. And that's why I like this. That's why I was in nowhere. Yeah. So I guess Margot should like carry the torch. And she's like seriously didn't care. Because like if it was, you know, if we were all home, we would have been like, remember the story. Oh my God, that was so. And I remember she looked a lot like Sarah Bareilles. She was like so, um, just like a girl, you know? Sarah Bareilles. Oh, I had someone I wanted to induct into the Kia Asylum. Let's hear it. I believe it's spending time there right now. I spice. Yes. When I went, the discourse does include I spice. I got her. But I feel like the Kia Asylum, sometimes people then loop in like the conversation we were having about like people who were so, well, no, actually, no, you're right. You're right. You're right. I spice. Yeah. But there's a lot of different, like not everyone's there for the same reason. And I don't know the reasons a lot of them are there. Sometimes it's audience, Q scores, sometimes it's industry. They didn't, you know, play the game. She didn't. And so I don't know. I don't know why. I also don't know why I spice was all of a sudden. Like I spice. You know, is everybody knowing

6:18I spice? What were the circumstances that like led to her being eligible for a Taylor Swift collab? Right. I didn't really heard of her before that. Yeah. I missed that. And then everybody's like, of course, it's ice spice on Karma. And I'm like, of course, of course it is. Yeah. You don't know that. And now that she's not around. I'm like, yeah, where is she? I missed her. You know who's kind of in the Kia Asylum? Doja Cat. Doja Cat. But I think that's through her own, like sort of wacky behavior. She's not in the Kia Asylum. She is off the grid. Like she, but she's not. No, but like she went to somewhere. She took herself there to a retreat. Yeah. Yeah. Where she's in like, she's in isolation. Yeah. But self-imposed. Yeah. Self-imposed. Like whenever she decides to come out with like more music or whatever, like it's going to be Bob's and everyone's going to love it. But she just like doesn't want to be in the scene. I think that might be like how you perceive it. But that's not true. I do believe she's like released music somewhat recently. And she like does a lot of live streams. Like she doesn't have a lot of

7:18live streams. Yeah. It's a promote. I don't. I don't know if the self-imposition is. What was she talking about recently? She's always saying crazy stuff. That's kind of my queen right there. Like what was she? What was her subject? I just saw her talking about something. I have no idea it was. I'm not doing it right now. Really? She was just going back. I mean, she's always going viral. Oh, she was yelling at everyone. Slay mama. But I forget why. I don't care. Sometimes people need to be able to. Yeah. I forget why. I forget what impression it left me with. But no clue. Yeah, that's not someone who's like caring about. No, but do you remember like the year where everything don't you can't made was the biggest thing on the planet? Why don't you say so? Didn't even notice no punches left to the fact that I know that whole tiktok dance. And that's why I actually just brought me back to such a dark time. Yeah. She was like the queen of 2020. She was somebody who got like lifted up in COVID. I actually think COVID impact on the Kia asylum can't be understated. There's definitely like a COVID wing. People who like had a lot of momentum leading up to COVID and then like COVID changed all the culture and like sort of sidetracked

8:21their career. Also, some people. Quibby. Quibby. Some people who wouldn't have ever been famous had it not been for COVID and people like losing their minds and thinking like, yeah, I'm going to listen to this. You know what I mean? I feel like the impact of COVID on Taylor Swift's career can be understated. Like folklore was a successful album. Do in part to depression. Everyone was experiencing. Yes. And the cancellation of love or fest was probably a good thing. A good thing for her. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, just COVID continuing to make impacts. Yeah. You know, when people in the industry talk about say so the song. Do people in the industry have conversations? Yeah. They talk about say so like that's the template. Like she did something totally new in everyone's business. She did like chase it ever since. She also like created a new sound. People are always trying to like make new sounds. She created a new sound that was good and that like people copied. Yeah. People are like, I was, you know, going for say so. Oh, do they say that? Yeah. When I create music, I'm always going for love myself by Hailey Seinfeld. Oh, that's nice.

9:22Like whenever they want me to like send references, I'm always sending Hailey Seinfeld's catalog of music. You should meet her. I think this would be friends. Like can you say that? Like I've had the option and I turn it down. I feel like you like, you know, you think when you think about like some say you would want to meet me friends with obviously it's like Taylor. Hi, but I think you and Hailey would be really close. I agree. Like we both love music. We both like could have pursued music as full-time careers, but decided like our talents were better suited in other places. We both are married to like insane athletes. Um, I think Josh and Ben would get along. He loves Josh. He does love a Josh. She's, you know, Praggie. She, yeah, she's in her mama era. New Yorkers. Yes, New Yorker. The Elk of New Yorkers. Both former friends of Taylor Swift. I think that you should like pursue friendship with her. Not that we've had this conversation. I feel like Miles Teller's grandma. Like you can be friends with. What have you just called Hailey up? Yeah. Why don't, what have you asked her to lunch? Well, I do always like leave,

10:23you know, support of comments on her Instagram and I've never even received so much as a like. So I'm getting the vibe but she's not interested in reciprocating a friend Josh. I don't think she's noticed yet, but I feel like if she knew. Okay, here's my application for being Hailey's time held to new friend. Stug in the dark with your my flashlight. I'm gonna go well. You're getting me, getting me through the night. Oh man. No one in my room when you shot in my eyes. No one around me. It's a sweet life. I also hate Anna Kendrick if that helps. Um, I think we just blew it. No, I think like our chances are better than ever. Everybody loves us. That's literally us have to like text each other like the most vile, nasty gossip. Everybody loves us. It's true. You're not seeing double. You're seeing trouble. That's so true. Dream you're not seeing creamy double. You're seeing creamy trouble. So she'll like she'll like today's Thursday. No special segments. Actually, we do have a special segment. Me recapping Southern

11:26charm. Okay. I know the Southern charm community. That things are getting crazy. I hear it's getting bad out there for Craig fans. It's getting bad out there for the Craig fans and for Craig Craig self. Um, we should have them on. I have questions for him. You know, I like like, yeah, I have questions. And I'll do my recap at the end. Say no, everyone's like waiting with beta breath. And also, I just heard news in my household. I got back into my Hulu. I went to Hulu just in time for the secret lives of Mormon lives for me. I went to Hulu with Zach last night. I was like, because we were going to watch JFK. And I was like, you know, we'll just make a new account because like every night it's posing an issue. We'll come to corporate grid. We were just let in. Thank you, Hulu. Oh, they opened the gates. So we watched one episode until I realized Southern charm was on last night. And we also watched together. So we did one in one. Okay. Um, so I watched the episode, you know, the one that you keep talking about page six at the end or whatever. Right. So now like the world knows. Why is he putting out his skirt? Yeah, I don't know. And see, maybe the boat gets wobbly. But that's what

12:27happened though on the actual boat. But don't you feel like the actor playing JFK Jr. like doesn't give like off the vibes of a guy who like puts on your shorts? So here's the thing. You think his poor performance is a referendum on the actor? I do. I'm interpreting it as a referendum on JFK. It's not because now like every news outlet is posting their archival interviews with JFK Jr. And I see him outside. He was hosting an event with Paul Newman. He was so that guy like he was so handsome and like so smart. And maybe behind closed doors like he was like a weenie who was putting on. But like I don't get that vibe whatsoever from his like front facing interview. But it's not like the things that he's saying. It's like the things that he did like bring her to his sister's dinner without telling either her nor sister. Yeah. And in the show, it's giving. He's like didsy and losery. But maybe in real life, he wanted to like test. And you know what? He's acting without intention. Like the men of Bravo. He is Jesse Solomon. Yeah. And Austin Crolling. A thousand percent. Wilson. A thousand percent. Intention. One other thing. Don't you? Who do you feel like the

13:30real Caroline miss out looks like in real life? This isn't going to like ring true for our readers. What do you mean? Like who like in our personal life? Don't you feel like she looks like our friend Casey? Like their twins? Oh, I have to look at her now. Oh, they're twins. Um, you need to catch up like in full. There's one more episode and then one more coming out I think like tonight. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so I guess like Monday love story recap. Sure. Okay. Love story. I could talk. So we are dead. That's the name of it. Endlessly. And also show. And Mariah Murphy, when he did American crime story, OJ, then it was like he's going to do a lot more American crime stories. And I think he did Versace and that was it. Monica Lewinsky. Oh, that was three American crimes. So we'll get more love stories then. Oh, is love story like a category? And this is just the first like sort of untold Jake Paul. Like because American crime was OJ. And what I just say Versace got it was Monica Lewinsky and American crime. I don't think so because you just say, oh, I'm sorry. I didn't understand what you were saying. Okay. Yeah. American crime. Ryan

14:31Murphy. Good question. So it's like a category. Yeah. And yes. So season one was OJ two was Gianni three was impeachment. Okay. And then he also does monster, which is like serial killers. Dahmer was the first season. Second season was Eric Menendez and Lionel Menendez. Menendez. Got it. So now love story. Oh, got it. So he has like these sort of franchises. Oh, I like that. I never put that together. Yeah. So what do you think the next love story should be? I feel like he should do. There's so many. That's a great question. Thank you. Look, actually looking amazing question. Hold on. I really want to thank. You know what? I would like like Elizabeth Burton. Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton. I love that. Like someone explained that they got married and divorced and she also had time to get married like six other times. Yeah. That's a blind spot for me. Me too. And that's a great one. Kim loves her. And you know, they're like Kim could play not Elizabeth Taylor, but like maybe a receptionist or something. I think Kylie should play Elizabeth Taylor. Let's talk about Kylie in the moment. Do you see the clip of her? Of course. Apparently she's only in the film for one scene.

15:33Yeah. And it was watched literally some of the best acting I've ever seen in my life. She outacted the fuck out of Charlie X. Yeah. It's like who was kind of doing. I mean, I would say I don't know how to act, but I feel like it's supposed to be like not so drama. You know, it's like it's all in the subtleties. But I also don't know the context of a scene that she's Charlie's supposed to be playing like very frazzled. She just came from a session with Maria. Who I want to say is like a guru of sorts. Or a specialist. Maybe. And then she runs into Kylie and she's like obviously having like a manic episode in Kylie is playing herself. You know, hi cool girl collected like cool com collected. Also like a little bit condescending, but sweet. Very industry like, oh, you must be so busy. Yeah. And she really slayed. She went into the team with a Shalameh school of acting. Yeah. I don't know if he like passed on a coach or coached her. It was so impressive. And I feel like the Kardashians a couple of times are like weighted into acting outside of Kim's now like acting career. You know, Kim was in a movie once and you know Courtney was in some date movie. Courtney was in the she's all that.

16:35And whenever the girls act, it's like very camp and it's like not good. You know, this like seriously, she needs an agent. Yeah. It was so impressive. She's like, listen to Taylor. Don't you think? But little bit Taylor. Don't you think? I do. She looks like her. Yeah. Body like on point. Hips very feminine. Yeah. That's a great love story. Okay. What's another one? I don't know. Maybe like the Jacqueline Falei Turdy-Lue-Freebush love story. That's true. I love that. Or maybe it's literally by the way. Love story is literally famous couples throughout history. I'm not okay. It's a giving prom theme. I'm not okay. It literally is. We could also do even though at this point, I feel like the story is told, but it might be time for a fictionalized or you know, like a scripted version. David and Victoria. Oh, wait, that's really good. Thank you. Is that a story? No, but it was. Yeah, it was Brooklyn Beckham's birthday yesterday. And she posted these like just honestly pathetic pictures of them. It's like he clearly like, you know, he was their first born like change their lives. All these pictures of the three of them.

17:38She was a happy birthday at Brooklyn Beckham. We love you so much. And then he was pictures of them with him as a baby, like one and two years old. So sad. It was heartbreak. The boy mama in me. I know. And then I do want to say, Nikola also posted a video. She set up this donut cake and a bunch of presents. And honestly, he looked really happy. They have a nice life. It was a nice video too. I don't know. I'm just like, it was really sad. And even though he did what he did, she still loves, she likes that. And hate enough to like, not love and wish him happy birthday. Oh, sick. The Beckham's is a great one. Thank you. So look forward to that. Um, let's talk about it, Shall we? Yes, we shall, without further do do do do do do do do do do do, this time for the best five stories, that you have to do need to know. And the fast five stories that you need to know are brought to you by gold bonds, plumping collagen. So let's talk about winter skin for a second. Your skin definitely has been feeling dry, less firm, earned just need of of like a little bit of bounce lately. Well, we've been going through the same thing. You're not alone. We've been using gold bond plumping collagen,

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21:41He was giving OG Andy. And I think he was just excited to be in the presence of a really fucking fabulous young girl. And I think it's very exciting for Andy that traders is so popular and it's on peacock, so we get to make it about himself a little bit. I think he was excited. It was a great, it was like a vintage episode. Yes. And Rob gifted Moira the Birken that he got her. So it was a very big journey for the Birken yesterday. Rob went to Madison Avenue consignment with... Jake Shane. I mean, he meant to text him like, what were you doing there? I still haven't gotten clarity on his involvement. Yeah, nobody knows Jake Shane's involvement, but Jake Shane was there because Jake Shane was there. What's going on over there? He's gonna be there. Yeah. And I love that. I don't know somebody on the internet who was so universally liked by both his peers, but also the fans. Because sometimes somebody blows up at all the comments or like, I don't understand the hype or whatever. He is so genuinely funny. And he's also a nice guy, so everyone who comes on his podcast becomes his friend. He's very affable with both the fans and his life.

22:44I don't think Jake Shane has haters. I think Jake Shane has one hater. Do you know what I'm gonna say? Do you think I know what you're gonna say? Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, I just think he has, I do, I do. I do think he has one hater. I don't think there are communities that organize like talk shit about Jake Shane because there's like really nothing. No, like I haven't ever gone, but I doubt there's like a reddit thing about Jake Shane. He's just like the best. Yeah. And he's Jewish though, so he probably, and he's friends with Sophia Richie, our Zionist queen. So like I'm sure there's like a, there might be that. There might be that, but other than that, like who could hate Jake Shane? No. Everybody loves him. But actually, like we say it as a joke when everybody hates us. And he like, it's serious. We're being for real when we say it because usually we're saying it as a joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we know that you guys are discerning and that you know when we're joking. And you got it. And when we're serious. Yeah. And the fact that we have so many haters, genuinely blows my mind. It's really true. You know, my mind is blown. I meant it when I said it. Yeah.

23:44You know? Yeah. Anyways, Rob spent the day with Jake shopping at Madison Avenue, because a lot of people were like, the bag is fake. You can't just walk into a store and buy a Burkin. And while that is true, you can buy secondhand. Most people don't even buy Burkins at Hermes. No, you can buy them secondhand from a consignment shop. They're more expensive. They're more expensive. But also this one looks to be like fresh out of the box. Like a parent and Rob was wearing gloves. He said no one has ever touched this Burkin with their hands until more. He also shared that Lisa Rina was helping him get a Burkin. He was going to go to Paris because like, yeah, if you want to get one from the store today, like you either have to be like a client with a lot of history or not even they like order it. Like you can't just get one today. But maybe someone could. Right. Or you know, travel around the world. You have to pull the stores. You have to pull major strings. Some of the stores are a little bit more lenient. Like you can get another appointment in Paris. Yeah. So and you have to pull major strings, which you know, if you've never shop there before, you can't. So Lisa Rina was helping him. He was going to go to Paris. And then this came about where he was connected with Madison Avenue consignment.

24:45It's obviously like sponsored because of course. I've said Madison Avenue consignment three times now. Yeah. We're ready for our Burkins. Madison Avenue consignment. And it's really really good. But he's still like, he still owes her Burkin because he didn't pay for it. He was supposed to come from the prize fund. Now also, I want to talk about Lisa Rina who's really having a moment. I feel, and I was like, a Lisa Rina on house. So I was like, I was not ever really on her side. And when she, I was one of those people who was like glad that she left. And then afterwards I was like, wait, she's kind of necessary. And then I mean, here are really good things about her book, which she's been doing press work. Just came out, people are mad that she said this thing about Sutton that she had like a weird body. But beyond that, the book is getting rave reviews. And I do feel like she's really interesting. I only know her from like 2016 on. But I forget that like she was that girl for a really long time in Hollywood. Like she married Harry Hamlin. Like, you can just be nobody, you know? Yeah. I think I might read her book. Yeah, I think that I read. Yeah, I read before bed. I think would be a good one like Melrose Place. Right. She was there for all of it. And plus the Nicola Charidan of it all. What, Charidan? She used to be married to Harry Hamlin.

25:47And I believe they have a child together, right? Really? Yeah. Let me just triple check before I just make stuff up. But I'm almost fairly good. No, I don't think that that's true. I think it's something with Michael Bolton. Michael Bolton. No, he does. Dimitri Alexander Hamlin. Parents are Harry Hamlin. Oh no. And Ursula Andress. Children of Nicola Charidan. Oh, she doesn't have kids. Okay, my bad. I was confused. Yeah. I mean, we could learn all about it in her book, right? Yeah. And like the traders. And I'm sure she planted this way like for traders and her book to coincide. But also, I feel like she's really riding the traders wave. And she's like teamed up with Rob. They're doing like a bunch of shit together. And I feel like it's so rena. Cause I feel like she would otherwise be mad at him. Cause he really did throw her under the bus. But she knows it's better for her to be aligned with him. She's a business woman. Yeah. And she's not going to take it personally. It's not personal. It's not business. I've been trying to learn to Bravo is in the cards for Lisa. Like she is. Her Q score has gone up immensely just over time.

26:49You know, time heals all wounds and she's you know, she's very big in fashion. She goes to a lot of the couture. Couture. It's couture honey. Do you know that sound? Couture. No. It's a trending sound on tiktok where she's like wearing this really crazy. I want to say it's like scaper relis. So it's sort of like costumey outfit. She's that power's fashion week. And one of the Parisian reporters is like is this couture? And she's like it's couture. but it looks kind of like, he's like, it's Katoar? It's Katoar, honey, check the label. It's the funniest interview ever, and it went viral on TikTok. So she's like, very big in fashion, in like a serious way, like with her girls. I don't think she needs to return to Bravo. I think she could, I think at a time when she wasn't asked back and she was hated by the fan, and it was kind of devastating for her. But she really picked herself up by those bootstraps in a way that only Lisa Rina could. Yeah, and that's sort of what she was saying on traders, which I do understand, like everybody on this show and people watching the show know her from the last eight years. But she was Lisa fucking Rina before all of that. So I could see her not wanting to return. Like she kind of doesn't need it. Yeah, I don't know. I was like, she was like happy when she wasn't on housewives.

27:50I think she would be happy to be on housewives. Whenever this all settles down traders in the book, like maybe she'll see how she feels, but I think she could really go either way. Is she still really tight with Erica? Yes, I think so. I don't have reason to believe that they're not. I kind of like, I'm ready for Lisa Rina return. I like the idea of bringing back old housewives, even if they didn't need a break. Yes. You know, so I think we should normalize that concept. Yeah, and she was on watch wrap inside. And I guess I didn't realize that she had like left it poorly with Andy. Yeah, and he like wrote about her in her book in a way that she didn't like. He like shared her text messages. Yes, so that was like sort of the big betrayal that she felt. But I guess her going back to watch wrap inside was like a. Yeah, and he like gave her like a big moment to Rina. Yeah, not like an apology for anything, but a moment of appreciation. Yeah, it was nice. Lisa, yeah. I think it was as close to like an apology as Andy can give a housewife. Like, yes, yes. He's Andy in their housewives. Well, more about her Birken, Birken D with Gold Hardware, which was like what she wanted. Yeah. And I'm very happy for her. I'm happy for her too.

28:50She was fabulous on watch wrap in life. Like, I was thinking about what you were saying about how like, the traders will end up being like this huge amazing thing for her, because she will now become like a fixture in fashion and in media in these states. Like, she does major things in the UK. She's like a correspondent. She goes to like whatever their version of the Oscars is. Yeah. But she doesn't really have that recognition here. And she's just like really making the most of this moment. And I do feel like it will end up converting for her. Like, she's going to be. Yeah, I'm trying to think of like a comparison. Almost like a like a page of Sorbo. It's a situation like all press is good press. Yeah. Yeah, she could be an influencer. I mean, I think she has TV aspirations and also a correspondent. Yes, but I feel like also modeling these and television. Fabulous. So not just like being an influencer. Because she has that like on law. Of course, of course. She pays her bills like quite fine. Yeah, she didn't have to come to the states for that. But I think she wants Hollywood. Are we to believe that she doesn't own any other Berkins? Like, this is her first. So I don't believe that.

29:51And I feel like if we cruise her in. She never said this is my first Berkins. She said she wants a Berkins. Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah. She definitely has. Yes, she definitely. Or like a mini Kelly. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But no, she's not like trying to make us think that she doesn't have one. I think she's really tight with Lisa too. That was a vibe I got from Mark Treppen's life. Oh, cute. That's a good, nice friendship. Are you ready for our next story? Did you see the cut with their, they make the worst fucking takes on traders? I don't know who like their corresponded is on the trader's beat. But they were the one who wrote the article like Michael Rappford's running traders and saying that housewives like shouldn't be a lot on traders. I saw the headline, but what was the argument? That like, I guess they're too emotional and like, like drama. But like, it's reality tells it's such a bad take too. That's really the thesis. That like pulls people in. But that's really, I only read like the first two lines. Like, I'm not like, stop quizzing me. I don't know. Oh, sorry. Okay, I'm like, okay. I'm just a girl who read the headlines. Like everyone else here. But you know, like any good as I should be able to establish your argument in the intro, we're in the intro. I didn't even read the intro. Okay. Like seriously read the headline in the first sentence.

30:51And then prove your points in the body. I'm sure they did. And then summarize it. I'm sure I would just disagree with it. The housewives are the most interesting part, especially for someone like me and I think a lot of people who watch traders who just are a part of the Bravo universe. I don't watch Survivor. I don't watch Big Brother. So like, what are you talking about? They're huge guests. Some perform better than others. Durrinda, like, stunk it up. But who cares? Kind of other people who are in the house. I stunk. Agreed. So that's not cool. Yeah. Stupid take. Bad take. Yeah. But I would like to see the argument before I officially. Well, you can read it yourself. Before I officially, you should get out of matter, you're obsessed with reading cut articles that you hate. They're always like making the crate. And I guess that's like their, the point, like provocative headlines. But they're always dumb and bad. That Michael Rappaport one really pissed me off. Because that was like some of the best traders when he was on. Yeah. Michael Rappaport is ruining traders. Like, no, your article is. If you're a trader and you know it, clap your hands. Are you ready for our next story? Some drama, the men are fighting, chase stokes, slams Morgan Evans's masculinity

31:54over his remarks about Kelsey Ballerini divorce on Bobby Bones podcast. And Bobby Bones got involved and like really took Morgan Evans's side, which I feel like was a big deal. But we have to separate all the people here, you know? So Morgan Evans, ex-husband of Kelsey Ballerini, subject of her EP that really went viral and made her a household name rolling up the welcome mat. And subject of her call, her daddy interview about her divorce, Morgan Evans, who's also a country artist who doesn't like share that much about his personal life and just like puts out music. He really went off the grid for many years after Kelsey's, after his divorce. He moved to New Zealand and he's just now resurfacing with a fiance, I think, or a girlfriend, some new music in a very small, non-threatening way. And so he went on Bobby Bones's podcast called Bobby Cast and they delved a little bit into his divorce from Kelsey. So in the interview, he admitted that he was not expecting the conversation when Kelsey told him that she wanted a divorce in 2022. He said, quote, I definitely wasn't expecting it. Were you blindsided or were you just blind?

32:56And it took me by surprise, but yeah, that whole time is such a blur. It almost feels like somebody else just from where I'm sitting now. I just look back and I'm like, oh my God, yeah, it was just kind of a whirlwind life-changing moment. Elsewhere in the interview, he argued that he was characterized unfairly in the narrative surrounding his divorce from Kelsey. He said, in my case, it didn't feel like it necessarily had a lot to do with me. I think maybe I was presented or made out to be or became an archetype for any guy that had done any woman wrong in that period of time. Like some of the stuff was just like, what? What are you even talking about? It doesn't not hurt, especially if it was real vicious or something. And then I click on whoever said it and just have a look and just be like, oh, yeah, it's okay. That looks like somebody going through a tough time. Yeah. Because the album became this like sort of empowering thing for women who had been like scorned, he sort of did become like a punching bag almost and everyone was like relating to Kelsey in their situations, which were much worse. Now, Kelsey in her interview told a lot about the marriage and in the album a lot about the marriage. He never did anything like really bad. He just wasn't an amazing husband and they really were not well suited for one another

33:58as they grew up. Yeah. But then everybody started to put like their trauma marriage and be like, yeah, he's a Morgan Evans. It became like a verbal most. And so I feel like he's never talked about his divorce, his reaction to being the subject of rolling up this viral album, this viral interview, this viral moment. So like six years later, however many years it's been, he talks about it in a still really respectful way. And Kelsey has even written music and spoken about how like she does regret a little bit how much she shared. She wrote a song, the revisionist about that, just like, you know, did she share too much and like whatever. And he's not even like so mad, you know? I thought it was like such a nothing interview. Yeah. And then Chase sort of leaves this crazy comment. Commented saying, this is about the most pathetic excuse of masculinity I've ever seen. Get a fucking life under Bobby in the comment section of the interview from Bobby Bowen and so then Bobby also deleted it replied to that comment and went off on Chase. Also he did delete the comment. He's like, if you're going so hard, go, go all the like, who goes, that's like so crazy.

35:02Honestly, we need a wellness check on chase jokes. This is insane behavior. Yeah. This is like the second time where he's done some really wild social media behavior while him and Kelsey are not together. It's giving the vibe that he's like a really toxic boyfriend. Like I actually think this is so crazy, especially because nothing in this interview was really bad or mean to Kelsey. I think if Kelsey, I'm sure she didn't watch it, but I think if she did, she maybe wouldn't find fault. He's allowed to think he was a good husband. Like that's just what I have divorces. Everybody has their own version of the truth. And he's allowed to like share his experience six years later after she thoroughly shared hers. A thousand percent. I don't think she would take issue with this at all. I think she likes Bobby bones. I don't think that she's never going to go on the Bobby bones. Like I don't think anything about this was bad. Like the man was beaten to a pulp. Like literally he's allowed to say one thing. I get the vibe, but like Chase didn't even watch her listen to the interview. He's just like doing this like Kelsey. I don't get you back. Look at me defending your honor. It's so cringe. It's so yucky. I believe they're broken up.

36:03Yeah. I hope they're broken up. And if it's so yucky. How about you just stop cheating on her? That's like kind of toxic masculinity. Okay. You don't need to get in the comments and start yelling at her ex from six years ago. You could just stop cheating on her and be the man that she needs because she's looking for a man with intention right now. I kind of want to argue like what he did to Kelsey was worse than what her husband did. Like 100%. Like his only real crime was like maybe not being like the most attentive or whatever. Like things that are sort of stereotypical in a marriage falling apart. Like nothing bad. No cheating. No stealing. No lying. Like I would sit down. Yeah. I would just stop cheating. Bruv. Yeah. Bruv. Stop with the comments. You're gonna go hard. Like Bobbie said, leave the comment. Go hard. Be hard. Right. Be hard. Chase jokes. Who's also like sensitive. Yeah. I feel like this is like his like version of a grand gesture on her behalf. And I just know she like hates this. Yeah. Like seriously leave Morgan alone. I actually think Kelsey feels now like leave more like like I think that's her how she

37:06looks on the whole solution. I know she's like excavating more drama between these two like isn't good for Kelsey. Like she's moved on. It's true. And now you're the problem. Yeah. Not Morgan. Thousand percent. It's so weird how that relationship turned out because it was really like everything to the man who love women after heartbreak. Like it was this kind of how her old relationship became the stereotype like the archetype of like a bad marriage and a bad divorce. It was like the hope, the eternally hopeful story about like a rebound. That's the one. And he knows all the words. Yikes bikes. Yikes bikes. I think this guy is like trouble me too. I'm seeing trouble. The erratic behavior also like makes me think. You know, I don't know, but I don't think I want you to say I'm not going to, but like people who act crazy like this. No, I just think he's like crazy and like he tries to overcorrect his errors by his grand gestures. Yeah, with grand gestures that like don't really make it worse that cause issues.

38:07And it's like just stop cheating, bruv, and commit to her, bruv. That's it. It's that simple. Be the man that she needs. Come be the man I need tell me you got something to give up on it. Yeah, exactly. Um, yeah, it's pretty simple. That was really crazy of him. Yeah, really embarrassing. Loser sneeze. Loser sneeze. Loser sneeze. Next. Chloe Kardashian is sharing on her podcast about a bunch of things, including her status was good. American. Yeah. I feel like we sort of blew this up. Shout out to my girl, Georgie who made the tech talk about it and put me on to it. So Chloe did like a Q&A on Chloe in Wonderland, which is just becoming like a great forum for Chloe to discuss Chloe thing and her family, like the fact that they haven't had always had this like in house podcast where they can address things head on. It's such a mistake. Yeah. So she's addressing speculation about a change in her current role at her brand, good American. So she shared that she's still co-founder and owner of Good American.

39:09At first, she said, I think you really want to help build the brand as much as you can. And we definitely done that. But good American is doing so well and good American is strong enough and stable enough to sustain on its own. She concluded that she's still very much co-founder and owner of the brand. So um, I feel like I always bring up this example. Do you know what I'm about to say? Ablatic. Yes. It's like a perfect example of how like there was a time where Fab Lettics was Kate Hudson's Ethelasia company. Um, they used her, I'm sure she has like an equity partnership in the brand, but they used her to act like it was her company. And then it eventually became so big. People forgot is a Kate Hudson's like, she, I don't even know if she's a part of it. She doesn't post for it. I don't think it's in her bio, you know? Um, it's like this way of building brands off of the backs of celebrities where eventually they're supposed to exist outside of that celebrity and thrive without them. And I feel like Good American definitely got to the place where like it wasn't like Chloe posting the drops anymore, right? It's like in every major department store, they have their own stores, it crushes. So I feel like they sort of ripped the bandaid off maybe a couple of months ago with like removing Chloe from it publicly facing, but people noticed, you know, they didn't notice

40:11when Kate Hudson did it. Yeah. And they just assumed that it's bad. But no, it's just like the next iteration of a brand sort of like Carolyn for Road. Correct. Like removing the celebrity from the center of it. Yeah. Road is doing it slowly as they should. It feels like Good American maybe did it a little too quick. Yeah. Like a really one step at a time. It's also hard like depending on the celebrity. I think Haley will have a hard time ever with it out for it to ever feel like not Haley's brand. And I feel like the same for all the girls and their brands. Like they're just such brand, you know, getting those skims, like skims, Kim can really never, we'll never think of skims as anything other, sorry, we love it and we'll always wear it. But like if Kim ever tried to like remove herself from it. Oh, that's so funny. I so don't say that way. I feel like I was so removed when wrong. I feel like she's always like posting like videos of her. Oh my God. I never see those. I always see just like skims. Like it's like its own company. I never, I feel like I haven't seen her do those like trions like guys were launching these on these. Oh, I feel like I haven't seen it in years.

41:12I feel like I'm always seeing stuff. Maybe it's just like our algorithms, but I feel like she has really successfully extricated herself from the brand, but like she's still always promoting it. She's still like, you know, posting about it. But I don't even think of it so much as Kim is brand anymore. I think it's like this mega thing she built. Oh, really? Oh, I don't have that experience. I feel like for the girls, it will be hard for them because they're just like so forward facing. Kate Hudson does so many things. And it's like, oh, fun. We like know about Fabletics, not because of Kate Hudson, and then it's just like a fun fact. Oh, it's Kate Hudson. Yeah. So it's not the same. I feel like that's the sort of core issue with Kylie Cosmetics is that she doesn't really want to be like so involved in it anymore. But she can't not. It's first of all literally her namesake. Maybe that's like what makes it hard. It's like, I think products only sell when she posts about them, whereas like, skims is getting, you know, thousands of orders a day, I imagine. And when Kim posts, it's like a little bit of a bump. But the company exists without Kim and her like supplemental promotion, whereas like Kylie Cosmetics, I don't think they get one order until Kylie posts a TikTok.

42:14Yeah. And then there's like a couple of weeks of lots of orders, and then she's supposed another one. Yeah. And that's fine. Yeah, posting. Yeah, keep posting. But I think good American, like with their retail presence, I think that they very much operate without Chloe successfully. Yeah. David Lemmy. Really? Yeah. Lemmy's all over Target. I mean, Lemmy does really well, but like, it's still to me like Courtney. If Courtney ever stopped posted about Lemmy and Lemmy was still doing further launches and she wasn't posting about it, I would think something went wrong. Now she could say, oh, nothing's wrong, you know, you just say teens live on its own and be like, oh, okay. I think that the brand could live on its own, like without, without Courtney. I think they have like really good, like they're, they do like great social, like Instagram partnerships. They're all over Target. Like whenever I walk into a place. I feel like she supports, but I think every time she posts, like it doesn't necessarily move the needle that much. Like I think it's sort of, it's just going to be what takes and what doesn't, you know? Yeah, but I think with that, she's more so like the face of it, like, not about like direct to consumer, like click this link, but it's like, the Courtney Kardashian like dial. Awareness. Yeah. She's like the Guinness of winter.

43:16I don't know where that falls into this. I feel like, I don't even know if when Kylie posts sprinter if people buy it, honestly. Yeah. But yeah, I don't even know. Even though I think it's doing well. That's about. But then Chloe also shared in her Q&A that she has a frozen embryo that she's considering having another baby, either on her own or with her next partner. But does that mean an embryo is like, has a dad? Yes. So it's Tristan's. Oh, yeah. So she's another partner. But it would still biologically be Tristan's and I just feel like he's messed up so much. He's not allowed to like say, you know, like it's her embryo period. Yeah. Yeah. I guess that's fair. Yeah. And he has like a lot of kids. Yeah. So I actually don't feel like he's always like giving us. Yeah. He literally. Um, but she said that she wants to give to her sister. And she thinks like, you know, she's obviously grew up with sisters and one brother. So she doesn't feel like Tatum needs brothers because Rob didn't have brothers. Right. All as well. But that she really feels like true needs a sister. And so she contemplates like, you know, unfreezing that embryo.

44:16I know. I feel like she had such a bad experience with surrogacy. But I don't know if she would do it again. Yeah. I feel like that's probably something that plagues her. But maybe having like her expectations now having done it and done it like she maybe do it differently. I'm whenever I've had it that she didn't like love. She could change. Um, but and she said true knows that she has a frozen girl in the face. She tells people that she has a her sisters and Elsa, her sisters in the freezer like Elsa. Yeah. That's cute. Um, but that would be interesting. But I also feel like it's maybe a little different because true's growing up with her cousin. So close. She's one of the triplets. She's one of the triplets of shy dream and true. Yeah. And then they're storm row. And they're just, I feel like they have that sisterly. They go to like the same. I think they're in like a homeschooling cohort where like they made their own school. And so it might not be like what Chloe grew up with, but it's akin to sisterhood. I agree. Like I think true would be okay. Yeah. What do you think it's more so like maybe Chloe wants more kids? Does Chloe want more kids?

45:17Is Chloe going to date? Like I find it so exciting when they have more kids. I know. I'm like itching for one. You just had one. No for them. Oh, okay. No, no, no, no. I remember them. Yeah. Yeah. And like of course, I don't want to put pressure on Kylie and Timothy. No, that's definitely happening. Yeah. His partner. His partner. And she wants a lot of kids. I just know he watched her in that movie, which is like definitely like a turn movie, but like her. For his sort of people, I think it's like, yeah, 24, 24, it's the highest honor. I think you saw that and probably cried. Like it was so impressive. That's just queen right there. Big time queen. BTQ. So I won't put pressure. No, of course. And Chloe, I won't put pressure, but like that would just be very exciting. Before we dive into the rest of the show, can I let you know that the ranger of today's episode is brought to you by AG1? You can. So AG1 is a daily health drink clinically shown to support God Health, fill in common nutrient gaps with over 75 ingredients, including five clinically studied probiotic strains.

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49:25being pregnant and just like us taking trips and stuff. So when we saw them recently, they said, you know, we'll take Romeo home with us. And you know what? I said, no, I feel like I'm really feeling back to myself. He's not bothering me nearly as much as he's getting older, like he is becoming less annoying, still not perfect of course. But I feel like, I think also now maybe like knowing I have the real option to re-home, like I'm open more to life's possibilities, but yeah, Dr. Bragg, but did they say like, we all take him or like we want him, both. They want him. Yeah. I know that they like, you know, want him. I feel like if they really, really want him, well then who are you to deny them? Right. But for right now, like I think I'm okay. Okay. Yeah. Maybe when we get back to the city, like I'll start to annoy me again. Well monitor the situation. But our time here has been really good for me and Ro. Yeah. Like the Florida sun has been good for Romeo. Yeah. For his mental health. And he's just like sort of like stopped, you know? You stabilized a little bit. Stabilized, perfect word.

50:26Our next story, some crazy news Britney Spears was arrested in California for a DUI. Yeah. And Wednesday night. Oh my god. I totally missed this. Yeah. There's not a lot of information, but she was arrested in Ventura County on Wednesday night for a DUI law enforcement told TMZ. She was handcuffed by the California Highway Patrol around 930 p.m. Wednesday night and she was booked by the Sheriff's Department around 3 a.m. She was released from jail around 6 a.m. according to inmate records. Is there a much on? I have not seen one yet, but we are closely monitoring the situation. Jesus. Yeah. What do you have to say? Unfree Britney. Like, I don't know. Do you better? No. This is my, my take on DUI is obviously always met with like a stern talking to. But I don't think, you know, I wouldn't put her in the same basket as just in Timberlake, right? Um, I just feel like like those, those who freed Britney, like, maybe shouldn't have you know.

51:26Yeah. I feel like it was never really for me and like, you couldn't say it at the time, right? Because it was like free Britney. Yeah, of course. But it was always like, well, I don't think she should be in this conservatorship, but she should be in a conservatorship like, um, and I feel like it's so terrible that like her time in that conservatorship like made her worse because they were printing her on lithium that she didn't need and like, you don't bounce back from that. Um, this is so sad. And obviously like DUIs are like my thing, but I don't feel like yelling at her, you know? I feel like hugging her. Like this is so sad. Do you know if anyone else was in the car? Um, no. There's not anyone else that is mentioned. This is just devastating. Yeah. Well, I doesn't sound like like she was arrested before she could cause any harm, harm. Well, that's always good, of course. That's the number one concern. Yeah, but things aren't like looking good, you know, Britney. Yeah. The final story is my new favorite category of story for Thursdays and that's massing

52:26or reveal? Oh, yeah. I was keeping up last night, but I didn't know who the guy was. Yeah. I mean, either. So the eggplant has been revealed as Jack Wagner, who was this alum from Mauer's place in general hospital. He's like a 90s actor, like the male, Lisa and I guess. So, um, like his trailer was right near mine, um, this one doesn't hit for me, you know? I don't have anything to share. I'm sure some of the viewers like, like loved him and it was exciting for them, but like for me, like, we're still up all ups. The, um, the theme was Oz Fest night, which was not about wicked. It was actually about Ozzy Osborne. I'm so glad I missed that. I don't know once. And Kelly Osborne was a panellist by Kelly Osborne on the guest. Did you hear that? It says people are really like worried about her. Why? Um, she was looking like real face, face, new face, very frail. She looked like the same like, she looked at her mom and her mom's, my children, 30 years for senior. Well, she was a guest panellist last night for Oz Fest. I don't know if everyone at the massinger like hates me because I did quit, but I would

53:26love to be a guest panellist. I just want to put that out there. Um, I feel like I would be really good. Yeah. I don't know. That ship has probably sailed, but it's Kelly Osborne can't make it next week. Like I am available. Yeah. And what sort of night would you want to judge? Glee night? Is there a glee night? There should be, but there would be a million people they could ask before you do. There are middle of people they could ask before me who would say no, but I would say yes. No, but there are some that would say yes, you know, there are a couple that would definitely do. I would love to, if there was like a Broadway, like musical theater, I would love to do that one. A lot of people. So we need to, so what? If there's a song, if there's a night, a week where they sing my songs, no, or like, a week of like pop culture week or something. Yeah. Yeah. Podcast week. Yeah. I'll do it. So yeah, we're getting closer to the end. I'm really, really excited to see who wins. I'm excited to get confirmation. Also, someone gave another good clue about PugCosso. Pablo PugCosso, fill up, fill ups, pee, not a marble, flippin' around, fill up, fill ups.

54:31Exactly. Yeah. No, that was a good clue. Like right in front of our eyes, too. Yeah. Sort of like Queen Coringey. Right. Oh my gosh. I'm so excited. So you watch Messinger and Southern Try and Messinger kind of busy night for you. I didn't watch Messinger, but I am keeping up with the reveals because I'm really interested to see who was competing alongside my sister to my door, and I just am very interested in every two weeks. It's all about your adoration. It is. I mean, what I mean, it's sharing Messinger reveals every week. I was not being facetious. Like, I'm so involved. Why are you attacking me? I felt like you didn't feel like I was being genuine when I was. I think you're projecting. I've never, ever, I don't even, I never even clicked Messinger reveals before my sister was on the show. I agree. I'm like, I'm agreeing with you. I wonder why you want the eggplant. I think we need to know more about Josh's self. Was that his name? Jack. I think we need to know more about Jack's self in order. That's kind of a crazy one. You would think it would be like a porn star. Okay. I guess also if you were cream, it could be a porn star.

55:32What do you mean? Creamy girls. Are you going to do the Southern Try and Break up or not? I know you really want to hear it. I actually don't because not to, I have to say this every Thursday. As somebody who knows Craig Hanover in real life and knows he's a good person, like I can't be swindled by what's going on in the show. That's my friend. So here's what's going on. It's a fallout from the night of. Craig. La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, I have some things that I want to share. So he yelled at Sally all night long in the car and the thing is like she did like antagonize him, but like you shouldn't. Let it go. Like that to anyone. Let alone woman. In the same time. He was like your own throughout your life only. Like I mean, I'm dying space for an hour long car and where they can't get out. And he's just like yelling up, absenities at her. They were drinking for 12 hours all night. Right. So the circumstances for which it happened are not good and it should never have happened. However, now it's the next day and it's like let's deal with what's happening and let's try and make it right. You know, an apology can go away. Yeah. So the next day, if the next day, everyone's sort of like, like, yeah, it's like has anyone

56:38and he's just like in his room till three o'clock, where he goes and has lunch with Whitney. And I just wanna say the star of last night's episode, it was between Shepp and Whitney. Whitney's so growing on me. So like hysterical, some of the things he says Zach was like cracking up. And I don't know if I just never like seen him in this light or he's just like, he's barely on the show, but when he is, he's just like, not a delight, but like just like funny and weird and you can appreciate him for who he is. So he's having a good showing. As is Shepp because he's just like, I've been where Craig is, like the morning after like, hating yourself. He's like, you always matter at Shepp at Craig right now. Then Craig is. So I just wanna like be there for him. He needs support and he needs his friends. And like, it's just the worst feeling in the world. Now unfortunately, Craig's not really like projecting that, you know, apologetic, apologeticness and shame as he should. And you must humble yourself always. And he was like, you know what? I obviously like, I reacted to my chest. I've done that and Whitney is like to him,

57:39you know, maybe you should apologize and Craig's like to who? Like to who? La la la la la la la la la la. Hey Sally Austin, what are we begin? Charlie's done with him by the way. She was in the car and they were like, you know, they had something nice butting and part of Craig's grievance with Sally is like, Sally's completely coming in between Charlie and Craig. And she is. She's like, shout, Charlie, why don't you tell me about your relationship? And meanwhile she's like Craig's the worst person. Of course, like her best friend disliking the man she's interested in has made their relationships low to progress. But again, you don't break someone in the car for an hour. And so now Charlie saw this very ugly side of him and she's like, I'm done and I can totally understand that they barely even, they have only kissed and it's like, I just saw the worst side of you. Like why would I ever want to get into a relationship with her there? So then they did this like big healing thing. They all were in like sweating tent. That was a whole point of the trip. They went to Mexico like for this wellness trip in like the last day. Yeah, they were in a year sweating it out.

58:40A lot of year. Of course, Whitney did not sweat it out because what's been right there. Whitney, he said he hates hippies. He said he like went into a hippie school growing up. And that's why he hates hippies and he's turned to punk rock instead. So he's just like on the outside judging everything. But at the end he like does come in like for one big jump, which is just funny. So they're all sweating it out. And everyone I think it's very cathartic moment. And even like Craig and Venita, they wound up at like holding hands because of the exercise. And it could have been a moment of forgiveness. And I feel like Craig has sort of missed his opportunity to apologize and like he needs to apologize because his behavior was totally wrong. And he's just like not seeing that the next day. But I just wanted like shout out to Shep because I feel like he's really matured over the last year. And he's been such a good friend. I mean better like the number. Yeah, yeah, he's been a good friend to all of the guys as much as he can be. And like it's pretty good advice that he can't take for himself. But I really appreciate that it's take on like yeah, everyone's upset and everyone had a like a horrible night. But it's like easier to be the person who like had a, you know, someone yell at them versus like the next day

59:42being the person who feels a lot of like shame and it's very isolated. And so I thought Chep took a very mature approach to that. It also seemed like Craig and Austin reached a little bit of a repot schmau during the year. But next week is the finale and all goes to shit again. And hopefully it's never Craig's fault, right? No, but I'll be curious to see if he does eventually like apologizing just to own up to his behavior and like the drink. And it was just it got to a bad place. And I feel like it's fair for him to not be in the best place right now. Right. But he has to like open up and share that with people and not just like push three destructive and just justify what he did because that wasn't cool. Well, there's always next week Craig. I believe in you. Yeah, and sometimes like you need a minute to process. It's not like, you know, and you want the apology to be genuine. So you want the person true, true. Immediately after they don't feel back because it hasn't like gone on them yet. Like I can give a little more time. But like, let's get to that apology. Yeah. How about that apology? Anything on tonight?

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