Dalton Clark, the a Story of Betrayal and False Allegation of Domestic Violence | Fireside Chat 272

All right. Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening wherever you may be. Welcome back to Honey Badger Radio.

My name is Brian and this is the fireside chat. And today we have a special guest. You guys know that

we've been doing a bit of a recurring series of discussions and interviews with, say like

service members that have been run through the kangaroo courts of the legal system as it

were. And this is all thanks to the great work done by Arvis Owens who has been helping us out

with that and helping, you know, get people to tell their stories. And today we have one such

guest, Dalton Clark. And I don't know much about it. I like to go into these things blind so that

you get like a pretty organic reaction from me. So I want to welcome Dalton Clark and his father

to the show. Welcome. How are you guys doing? We're doing good. That's good. All right. And yeah,

so I guess like we should probably just get into your story. So can you guys, and you know,

feel feel free to jump in whenever, you know, you want to say something or if you want to correct

me, that's fine too. But yeah, tell us a little bit about first of all, you know, who you are,

what you guys do, what you do specifically and what your story is. So my name is Dalton Clark.

I was a lieutenant in the army in the ordinance. I currently am a taxidermist.

I am a Travis Clark retired lieutenant colonel. I kind of do whatever I want to do these days.

But so it's like a you guys are it's like a military family. My middle son was in. We got like

14 people that are either in retired or currently serving in our family immediate first and second

cousins. Wow. Well, firstly, thank you for your service. Really appreciate it. And yeah,

that's very that's very cool to hear. So I guess then this is probably is this strange to learn

about like what's what's happening with your son? It's not strange now. It was strange coming

into the military 34 years of military. My last three or four years I've seen where the military

was wrongfully sending soldiers through a stressful situation twice. The first thing I saw was

the army will take you through the courts. And if you're found not guilty, the army will send you

to a second set of courts called separation boards that are pretty much made up of three

person panel and two lawyers doing the same thing that they did in a criminal court to find somebody

guilty. But but the guilty was to separate reasons for separation. And but the soldier had to go through

this same stressful situation even though he's not facing. He's not facing jail, but he's facing

separation with a disarmful discharge, which is pretty bad in the outside world. So it's double

tapping. Yeah, you're double tapping. And what I saw it was for was nothing more than practice for

the lawyers in the UCMJ arena at which I found disheartening, disgusting that they would do soldiers

this way. Yeah. So that does it does it match your like your own personal history with the

military. Like is this like a thing that you think is sort of novel like this or like a trend? No,

it's normal. You don't know it's normal. And to your wrapped into that, I was the president of

14 separation boards. Once I reached a lieutenant colonel and colonel level, I didn't see any of this

until I got to that level. Which once once I saw it was eye opening, it was like, oh my gosh,

they're doing this to soldiers. And on the act of duty world, on regular military post, because

I was not on a regular military post. I was a small post in Wisconsin. But on a regular military

post, it's worse because if you're separating, if you're on a president of separation board,

your commanders watching you, your commanders putting pressure on you to kick people out,

because it looks good to you and your promotion, which is also disgusting in the military. It's

that's what I found out when I was going to my flag.

Well, well, let's hear your story, Dalton. I want to know basically like, you know, a little bit

about what like what you're growing up and how you got into the military, what that was like

early on. And then we'll get into like what, you know, the actual incident that, you know, you're

we're basically that brings us here. So, okay. So, um, so military kid moved around quite a bit.

I was in Eagle Scout. I saw what we had growing up and then moving around and kind of the

the diverse things that we, I guess, grew up with. It kind of pushed me towards the army,

showed me that there was a good foundation, um, good chance of moving around, seeing different

stuff and, and, and just a good stable job. That's what I saw with my father growing,

rolling around being in the army. So, um, I went to college to wrestle on the big 10. I got

to scholarship to go do that. And then I did a O9 Romeo, which is a officer candidate with ROTC.

So, I did a split up. Um, I took a summer instead of wrestling with the university and went

to boot camp and becoming enlisted. Um, and this is something you wanted to do. Like you, like,

this was sort of like in line with, you know, your, your personal goals. It, yes, it was. Um,

I know a lot of wrestlers will go into the army because it kind of fits that type of lifestyle,

especially if you go to like the infantry or try to go to special forces or rangers or things

of that nature. Um, that was kind of my goal until I got to ROTC and then we had some green

the gold guys in the program and say it's all hua when you're 20, but when you turn 30 and 40,

it's no more, no longer hua. It's no more fun. Yeah, your knees, your back getting pissed on with

the rain, hoochies, he's like, it's no fun anymore. So it's like he's, that, that older gentleman

pretty much told me, think about what she want towards the future. Look at a core that can set

she what where it's not going to burn you out. And that's why I chose logistics. Because I knew

army, they could help me get an understanding of logistics and when I get outside of the civilian

world, they said it's a six. Oh, I think I lost them guys. Yeah, they dropped out. I'll, uh,

they'll probably try and come right back, uh, well, hopefully, and I'll send them a text right now.

Sorry about that. These things happen this day internet, you know, so, uh,

Oh, there they are. Oh, there we go. No, that's okay. It's okay. These things happen.

All right. So you're talking about logistics. Apologize your back. Yeah. So that was kind of the

route that I I had chose. So I met my ex-wife when I was in college. I think I was a junior,

um, spent a lot of time with her. And everything was fine. It seemed like, it seemed like she was, uh,

being helpful and kind of like a girlfriend should. She had her moments. I actually had some

like growing up to do. And I feel like we all all did at some point. Sure. But, um, it's like,

so she had a thing called engineering materials, which is where you, she told me she could get pregnant.

And

that was pretty much the thing where it was like, okay, well, my goal was to

become a captain and then talk about kids if we could. Make sure that way we're we're financially

stable. Everything's okay. But we're in the right direction, which is four to five years into

the military service. Yeah. And so endometriosis is that that doesn't necessarily guarantee that she

can't have kids. It just makes it a lot harder or the high possibility that she couldn't. So she

told me like nine years percent. Yeah. That's what she told me. Um, then I come to find out that

she told my family at a family reunion that she was the next one pregnant. No one told me this.

So right when I go to a commission after I commissioned, she tells me that she's pregnant.

And I try to do the right thing and take care of my family. And I married her and put her on

try care and make sure that they were taking care of when we moved to duty stations.

Because at that point, we've been we've I got married probably about a year, year two years in

of seeing. So the other thing was that big of a deal.

I mean, let me ask if you don't mind. Let me ask, uh, did you before this happened?

First of all, was your relationship with her monogamous? Like it was just you two.

There was no like, you know, um, I don't know, you weren't like playing the field. You were looking

for somebody to settle down with perhaps. And also, did you did you think before you learned about

the pregnancy? Did you think she could be the one, but I'm just going to like wait and see,

or you weren't sure or what? Um, I felt like she was the one.

Um, but some, some things kind of had me questioning it, but at the same time, it's like, I was,

at the time I was questioning things. We were already married.

Uh-huh. So there was, um, symptoms, um, red flags for me and his mom right off the bat.

We were like, uh, she came in here telling us how the first day we met her, the first five

minutes she started talking about how her mom and dad beat her, um, how her mom and dad treated

her bad, how her mom and dad wouldn't give her no money. Um, these type things, then she tried to

start separating Dalton from us, which we have a very, very tight relationship. Um, and see that

after, um, we wrestled 365 days a year. So we were pretty much together for the last five years

of his high school career. They went to college. And then when he met Anna, there was a lot of

stuff that was going on. Like, we were being questioned what we were doing while we were doing it.

And then, um, Dalton's a lot like I am. He'll shoot a text. And if it's not five words,

getting it out there quick and easy, um, we would be getting these texts that were three, four

inches long on a phone. It was like, yeah. Yeah, that's not Dalton. Dalton ain't writing that.

And I didn't even know that she was, she was in my phone pretty much. Um, so there were red flags.

She was a little bit controlling a little bit like kind of wanted to like, you know, pull you away

from your family kind of thing. I feel like she was very manipulative. And usually I was a good

judge of character, but somehow I get slipped by me. Um, but she was very manipulative. It's like

she brought things up that made, made me start thinking. I was like, where's this coming from?

And then she tied certain things to, to that subject that made it have some reinforcements. I'm

like, uh, where are you getting this? And how do you know that? And where's this coming from?

Type of stuff. So, so okay. So let's back up. So she tells you that first, you know, she's got

endometriosis. It's, it's gonna be really difficult to have a kid nearly impossible. And you say,

okay, well, we'll figure that out later because that's not really like what I'm, and correct me if

I'm wrong on this. I'm just trying to get a sense of like the timeline. And you're saying, well,

I got some other goals I want to accomplish first. We'll come and revisit that later. Let's see

how this goes. And then at some point after that, she sort of springs it on you. Oh, by the way,

I'm pregnant. And now you're like, okay, well, then it must be me. I must be the father. So I'm going

to do the right thing. I'm going to marry her. And I'm going to take care of my family. And that,

is that, is that about right? That's pretty close. Okay. And, and around, well, how old were you

around when this was, or you were like 20 or something like that? No, I was a senior in college.

There was 2019. Yeah, it was before, it was before COVID. It was 2018. Yeah, it was 2018. And, um,

yeah, we have the end of 2019 at the end of 2019. Yeah. So yeah, because I commissioned in May of

not have 19 and then she had sprung it right right right at commissioning. Yeah.

Yeah, about, well, I don't know, a month for commissioning or something like that. Yeah. Yeah,

but we had, we had conversation about some of the things that were going on and, um, whether or not

to, whether or not to break ties with her because of some of the stuff that was going on. But she

listened in on conversations. Um, she lists, she read texts. Um, she went through mail. Yep,

she went through mail. So at that point, after commissioning, I went to Fort Knox for about two

months and she moved up here with my parents. Well, they couldn't take it anymore. So she moved

and with my grandmother in North Carolina. Well, oh, in North Carolina. We caught her in several

lies. One was we got her a job through a friend of ours at a nursing home because she said something

about she had worked in a nursing home before and she wanted to be a nurse. Well, we have a

friend up the road that works at a nursing home and gets you a job and got her a job. And, um,

she came back one day and said, I wasn't on the schedule today. I guess I'll go tomorrow and then,

me being who I am got aggravated because somebody didn't do the schedule right and wasted her time.

I called our friend and I said, what's going on? She says, uh, she didn't tell you. I went, no,

she got fired yesterday for threatening a dementia patient. And we have a letter that states that.

She told a dimension patent. If you put your hands on me, I'll beat your ass.

Okay. So she got fired from that job. She didn't tell us for like three days.

Mm-hmm. So she was going to town and wasting time doing whatever and come home and say she's

home from work. And then I confronted her about it and that's when we, I was like, look, you

can't do stuff like that. You know, you've got a job like this. Okay, so let's find another job

and we'll move on while you're here. And so you and Dalton can progress. There's no sense sitting here

and not doing nothing. And so she okay, okay, I'll do that. But then she went to see Dalton down

at Fort Knox. They had a car wreck, but we didn't know. She had already packed all her bags. Oh,

I think we didn't know that she'd packed her bags to go to move out. She was leaving. She wasn't

going to live with us. Yeah, because I had I had rules and stuff here that you're going to live

by these rules while you're living here. Help out around the house do things like that. But she

she was bound in terms and she wasn't doing nothing here. And and she told many lies. She told lies

on my daughter. And those were those were a big huge red flags to me and Christie. And we're

trying to be cordial because now it's our daughter and mom with with our grandchild. She's carried

and but then she went and seen Dalton and she moved in with my mom. I tried to warn my mom.

Things are going to happen. And you ain't going to like mom and mom's about a month that's in

mom. You're right. And then she had to move out of my mom's and then moved in with Dalton at Fort Knox.

All right. Not Fort Lea. Fort Lea Virginia. So I was the Knox for two months and then I

went to Fort Lea. I was down there and then she ended up staying with me at on post while I went

through officer training school. Yeah. So the reason why I think she's come stay with me is there's

an incident that happened at my grandmother's house where I think we got into a verbal altercation.

And she disagreed with me and I said fine. We'll just split. And she had a financial issue

in my opinion. Like she would take three or four trips to Walmart a day. I just think she wasn't

good at. She wasn't good with money. It wasn't good. Money. So at that point she was like fine.

I'm out. And I said all right. I took my credit card and I cut it in half.

You're free to go anytime you want. And as soon as I cut the credit card in half she put hands

on me and shoved me over a chair. And I landed on my back and I got up and she'd come at me again

and I called her wrists and I told her that she was not going to do that and hold her to get out of

the house and go cool down. So that was. So according to your testimony it sounds like she got

violent and you restrained her. You didn't hit her. You probably knew that would have been awful.

But you basically said let's take the temperature down. You're being a little insane. Is this where

the allegations come in? No. My mom testified in court to that too. So we had 13 care

to witnesses and it didn't matter. No. Oh, okay. So it wasn't just you and her there. No.

No. Okay. We had 13 character witnesses for Dalton that watched her put hands on him. She

she almost calls the wreck at 80 miles an hour. Dalton going up the road pulling a boat and she

attacked him while he was driving while he was driving with my daughter in the back seat. My

daughter tried to videotape it at the end. So she punched me in the side of the head while I was

driving because I was seeing seeing her favorite song in a joking manner. It was it was random.

It was like what are you thinking? I'm driving. And like you got six foot six. I mean it was a

Taylor Swift because I'm women get crazy about Taylor Swift. You can't make fun of Taylor Swift.

In that. I don't know. But after after the child was born actually back up she was a very aggressive

pregnant. Very aggressive pregnant. Had had a temper tantrums lash outs screaming yelling. I think

we had the hotel car room for a noise disturbance once. It's just like I get I get in the shower

and lock the door just to get some peace and quiet and some she picked the lock come in and just

open the curtain and I would sit there and take a shower with no curtain because she was sit there

and just chirping chirping chirping. I was like look we're both mad just go away leave me alone calm

down. She's like nope we're going to talk to this do this right now and she just wouldn't let it

go until you said she was right could not let things go. So after after Virginia moved to Kansas

got a house in town because she wanted to live closer to town. That way that we had everything

in case we needed it because we had a newborn. I like to live in the country but there's some

amenities you don't have so we lived in like the suburbs of Manhattan, Kansas and it was like

probably five minutes away from like Walmart Texas Roadhouse. Sure. Anything like that.

So I think after we got married she started changing in behavior. Started picking up on things.

She wanted her name on bank account. She wanted her name on the cars. She wanted her name on houses.

She wanted her name on on certain things and I'm like no. Soon as I started fighting back that's

when fighting back saying like no. That's when things started getting kind of a little warm.

She started manipulating me more being an arse assist telling me that I needed to stay home

and all she did was she was staying the house and no lights and one may stay with her when I was

off work all the time and I'm like this is depressing. I can't do this like I have to I need to get

out and some sunlight and we had two hunting dogs and and we're in a we're in a state where I could

actually get them some attention now. Yeah. It's a big hunting state for for pheasants and quail.

So I was like I got to get out of here like I can't sit in this house all day and she tried

to manipulate me. Go ahead and come to your family do this. I'm like I'm with you guys all the time.

Like there's time for you to go do you and get you're using me time and like I got I can't stay

in a damn house. It's it's it gets depressing. So that's where she become very manipulative and

trying trying to keep me there trying to keep eyes on me and then I started figuring out that

my accounts on my phone kept kept jumping meaning um it'll kick me out of Facebook kept

kicked me out of Snapchat kicked kicked me out of all these apps and thinking of what is going on

with my phone and I would tell her and she said I don't know idea I should probably contact

Verizon and find out. Well I didn't think anything of that. So um and one of the things she knew that

we were that my unit was planning to go to Korea for a nine month rotation. Yeah. When you were

in Kansas were you away from your dad and your mom and stuff were you or that yeah you guys

are staying in North Carolina or Gordon Wisconsin. Oh okay okay Wisconsin all right yeah good.

So we went down here to move in. I think you guys are down here for about a week or something

like that we came down. I'm not sure. Yeah. Okay. Definitely Christmas. Yep. So we were supposed to

deploy on February. They came down for Christmas and she started showing her ass at Christmas.

I think my dog got a foot caught in the door. She come around screaming with the baby in her arms.

So that's that's another thing that when she would get into a verbal altercation she would pick up

the child and then she would get in your face and scream until you couldn't do nothing you couldn't

get away like even though somebody wouldn't do something it just made you feel like oh my goodness you

have a newborn in your hands like why are you coming at me. So it just made everything very

uncomfortable even like for me like living there like whenever we get an altercation she would

pick up the child and then come and have an altercation with me like this close. So it was just like

go put the baby down and then come and talk to me nope and then she would just keep on and then

if I try to leave try to leave the room it would be like a concept follow and there was a verbal

altercation that was recorded and it seemed like she was doing this on purpose and because she was

she was trying to get things on recording she was trying to manipulate you to say certain things

and to find out her mother admitted to me that that was their plan when the new I was going to

Korea it was going to try to manipulate me and to try to say something just to get her away or

off my back so that they could use it against me and that verbal altercation you could hear me say

get away from me and you could hear me leaving and going from room to room and it faintly

getting lighter and lighter and it that was a constant it was on that on that you can hear him ask her

seven times please just leave me alone let me take a shower and then we'll talk because

because when you're deploying his hours his time was from what 5 30 in the morning and

no it was not so first ID kept you for like 24 hours yeah until you were 80% deployable you guys

did we didn't leave post yeah that's the way the army is fort Riley is a using abused post

I asked my my PSG which is my second command my enlisted guide that was wasn't e6

e7 position but he was an e6 I asked him how much do you see your family year he's in about three

months I see my family three months out of the year and I said Jesus that's a lot yeah when the

army says family first that's a lie because if you're in if you're in the first amtree division the

82nd Fort Campbell the 101st 4th ID 10th Mountain 3rd ID 4th ID 2nd ID those guys keep you at work

at least 16 17 hours a day because you are the infantry you're the tip of the spear

I was in the 82nd I was an impu officer and I can tell you right now my guys constantly

complain my lieutenants or other lieutenants and stuff we're like no one of the divorce rate is

so high in army is because those you don't let you go home so we had the highest suicide rate

the first ID had the highest suicide rate so first ID was attached to Fort Hood during the time

that Fort Hood got light of all those deaths and what not it was happening we're

and the suicides are because of the rotation so you do nine months somewhere okay so it's back up

so you'll do ntc national training center you'll go into ntc for like two months and you'll come

back and then you go to the field that's into the field for 30 days and you come back and go to

jrtc which is in Louisiana to joint training center for another two three months and then you come

back and they go to the field again and then they come back and do the packing list and then you go

on another nine month rotation or you're you're rotated into Afghanistan or Kuwait or somewhere like

that you go to theater yeah which is get prepped your war yeah so it's a constant moving so what

happens is the families that come here if you're wife or spouse or whatever is not acclimated to

this it makes a nice riff in your marriage or whatever so what happens and I saw it many times I

had to do I was the investigating officer for so many of these divorces or adult trees or

suicide stuff and it was ridiculous because like you're just the army's just pooling families apart

by sending guy away and leaving that woman and the children alone by themselves forever and a lot

of times the reason that they're doing that is you've got a battalion commander who's got an agenda

to make brigade full bird and he looks better if he's volunteering his unit to go do all these

missions regardless of what it does to the men and women that are serving under him he doesn't

care about that his his whole career is based off whether or not he makes that next rank his OER

determines whether or not he makes that next rank whether or not he gets to war college

well it is determined off of the person ahead of him they recommend him for that school and the

whole time is he don't care about you he don't care about your family he don't care about your

children he cares about looking good for his boss to go higher and we'll get right a little later so

we'll back up back to Christmas um I wanted to add um so at Christmas there was a verbal

altercation that happened with the family and she got up and grabbed the baby I think my brother

and I got into an altercation about something um not an altercation just an argument something

something silly that happened in the past I use altercation as like just uh we're having a uh

a talk through you can say yeah not my altercation is a and she grabbed the baby and like

try run run into the room and she elbowed my mother in her pork so my mother had cancer

she had breast cancer and she had told me afterwards it got me alone because she didn't want me

knowing of that right then in there that Anna she grabbed the baby and swung backwards and caught

my mother in her port and when she's moving forward and swinging backwards that to me sounds like

it's on purpose mm-hmm and she didn't tell us until after she didn't like my parents so I could

see where she would do that and my mother didn't tell me because she knew that I would do something

about it she didn't like us because we called the spade a spade what everybody called the spade a spade

my aunt did it she wanted me to stay away from going over to my aunt's house my other aunt did it my

grandmother ended up doing it and she was telling me that everybody was bad mm-hmm so yeah so I found out

or didn't find out I pretty much told myself like during that time of going getting ready for

deployment that I need to just try to keep her happy um because if she's exhausting yeah sure

exhausted me so much and I told her I love you but I'm not in love with you and I think that's what

sparked like she's wanted to tear tear me down so let's get to let's get to it sounds like yeah I mean

a lot of red flags a pattern of abuse of behavior very manipulative almost like McEvellion

using the child to and wants to break you away from your parents like sort of like you know and

also like seems to like demand that you basically be there for her at all times at any point so like

you know stay with me you don't you know like whatever even if we're just in the dark quietly so

um let's get to the part that brings you on our show like what happened there and what is it

and and what were the consequences of that so um I kind of had a timeline um when I got to

Korea I think two weeks into Korea she told me that she was leaving unless I I pretty much

submitted to her demands and then I told her yeah go kick rocks because when she sent me my

laptop I found out that she was cheating on me she not she had not backed out of her email and I

saw every single email between her and another guy I got this you you hadn't left yet you have

no I was I was in Korea I was well you were in Korea oh okay well this is yeah I'm

unfortunately this is very very common I know like every person I brought on here just about

they have a story that involves a woman that is cheating with either cheating while the

men are away basically yeah easy easy is route for them yeah her mo was to try to get some black mail

on you to try to find something on you and then use it against you and the the recordings he's

talking about is the tool that she got to use in court to so that Dalton couldn't do nothing

tour he couldn't touch her and then um we he found out that she had been talking this guy

on Mississippi since December before they you know uh when they first got down before I deployed yeah

she had been talking for four months prior to my deployment yeah so um she would so I had time

to talk to my child but she would use that as a pawn to use my child's a pawn to get me online

to try to manipulate me into talking about certain things that she could use for custody court or

running up my my I guess my child child support and my commanders were very weak very very weak

um I I kind of resonated in them for help what should I do sir what can I do um this woman's

spewing negative stuff about me I found out through my own soldiers in my platoon he pulled me

a sigh one of my NCOs that haste her this is uh she got on the wives page and asked how she could

get money out of you and they told what's though what's the wives page briefly so apparently there

was a Fort Riley wives page so like any anything like is it like a like a Facebook page kind of

the face a Facebook page for new wives current wives and a and past existing wives to talk about

what happened at Riley get ready for deployment um if things if they needed it like for the PX

or anything like help for children things like that and I saw it she blatantly asked what can I do

to get money out of him and get away from him and told his wives that she that he was beating her

and the wives said no of course yeah this was afterwards look she then one of the wives said

if he had ever hit you or beat you you can say that and the army will protect you and then she

at the below and said yeah he beat me one of the one of the wives on Fort Riley gave her the idea

and she write another another wife from the wives page made gave her this idea and then she ran

with it yep she called my command and said that I did x y and z and I said sir ask her for proof

ask her if she have any evidence towards what she's saying I did the place for never called to their

house at any time any place anywhere so yes you didn't go to the cops first that should be it

that should be the first sign that they're like you know you smell some something is a miss but

that but okay so the no no police reports so what happened next so here's what I told my brigade

commander at the end of the day I told him sir I initiated the divorce she didn't initiate the

divorce we've been going through this for so long she didn't try to initiate a divorce she didn't

call the cops she has she has no hospital stays no medical reports there's nothing it was just her

saying this happened but I said I have pictures I have text I have emails I have witnesses

what I was told at the end of the day by a lawyer jag TDS was that we as soldiers cannot

try to hinder the civilian's reputation which means we cannot say anything that would be bad

towards that civilian's reputation meaning that when we go to court they can go after me all day

long but they cannot touch a civilian means they cannot say that she did x y and z that

gives her character negative light so it means the service member is a sitting duck no matter what it

is when they walk into that court and that's that's the thing that came back from it from the tailhook

and Obama wanting more sexual assault and assault prosecutions is these were some of the rules

and regulations that they set in place where a soldier cannot defend himself a soldier can't go

back and say hey look at the evidence and what's going on we had we had the the guy that she

moved in with Mississippi was a key witness in his custody battle he testified the court she made

a false 911 call that he was beating me she didn't know that he was filming her she went out

side she ran around the house twice jumped in her car didn't lock it and didn't leave when the

police got there they arrested him he told them to look at the video tape she didn't know there was

a video tape yeah so he's living out a little bit of excited I talked to him and specifically he said

that same thing I told you when she didn't get her way she would get it get up getting his face

whatever she called the police ran around the house was punching herself in the face and he was

recording it as she's running around so he's a sheriff's deputy of that county she wanted to go

be a sheriff that she because she wanted to learn the ends and outs the law and she admitted this to

me that so that she could then have the knowledge so when you go to civilian court or custody court she

can win that custody court knowing the laws of being a cop so she started dating a cop and using

that cop well when the other policemen showed up they didn't arrest him they went straight and

questioned him and she ran up and said hey I called you for abuse why are you not talking to me why

are you talking to him and they said ma'am please walk away go stand over there they talked to him

he showed showed them the video and they left they didn't arrest her for false allegations or any of

that because that would put him in jail for a very long time if he didn't have that if he didn't

have the video but that's what bothers me is that let's say my ex-wife or any other woman out here

thinks makes a false allegation nothing happens I feel like they should get the same treatment

as what they're trying to set you up for so that that guy was not allowed by the judge

that was superseding the court hearings he him and the policemen were not allowed to be subpoenaed

so what it was was he called me and said that she had stole money from him and he kicked her out

and she called Child Creative Services on him saying that he was a bad father and was doing drugs

and was trying to get covered in custody saying this about you know about that police officer

that she left me for so I called him and said hey man what's going on where's my child like

when's the last time you've seen her because I I don't I didn't know when she was gonna pick up when

she was gonna leave actually that brings me to another point when she left Fort Riley Fort Riley

put out an order that anybody that was associated with the army of Fort Riley was not allowed

to leave because of COVID and she disobeyed that all those orders I think was civilian said

do not leave do not travel yeah and she left to Mississippi now she went to North Carolina dropped

off the the grandchild dropped off his his daughter and then traveled back to Mississippi and left

left that daughter for over 40 days and then didn't just say that he had to force her to go get

that baby yeah he had to convince her to go to go back go get my child from the grandparents her

grandparents yeah so she got going back and forth and I pleaded with the judge going look I don't

believe that this woman should have my child she can't take care of herself she's hopping around

seeing all these dudes going in and out of the house dating all these guys going all these parties

and she would tell me well the reason we know all this is because she would get on TikTok live

who's trying to be an influencer and she would go live at all these parties she'd be drinking

and I'd be and I'd be watching and recording and that would give it all she's so she's a

a pregnant but was she were you guys divorced at this point or like a mother I'm sorry a mother

yep on social media trying to be an influencer yeah and she's like how old like in her 20s

yeah she was early 20s at that time yeah and the baby was left with with her mom while she's out of these

wherever they're filming these things at you can see him drinking she she drank online

all kinds of well it bothered me is because I'm overseas I'm doing my job I'm protecting the country

doing whatever and I can't be a father because of what I'm doing for my country right and she's

not being a mother she's plotting that child off to her mom to be to take care and teach and

it really bothered me I'm like yeah it should be with my child like what are you doing

and she had she had told me during all this if you're not going to take care of me I'll find a

man that will and that's what she was doing she was out trying to find another shooter take care of her

and I went to my commander and I said sir

I'm doing all that I can and they were trying to force me to pay for her new apartment and

everything I said sir I'm not doing that I already we have a lease because I we still had that

lease and I was paying on a house at home that nobody lived in so I was paying on a lease and it

said the the TDS lady told me afterwards it was above a certain amount of money you don't have

to pay for anything else because that was the the max for b a s b a h for that person my commander

said I don't care what the jag said a he wrote a member of a record and made me sign it and if I

didn't he said I could be arrested for not giving funds to my family that jag officer told me that

he was wrong that it was above certain amount of funds I didn't have to well I already signed it

and he said and I said all right make them make the army give me that money back and the he

and they said we can't make them and the commander said kick rocks so I had to give her double

and I I end up going into almost a financial hole because she kept asking it more and more and

more and more my commanders kept writing off on it he kept set they kept saying okay okay okay

and he then he told me happy wife happy life so at this point there is no happy wife happy life

I said she's already just grumbled she she already knows that the army's gonna make me do whatever

that you say I have to do and not saying that it's that that was right at all

yeah so at the end of the day they told me that I was gonna go to court martial and

they so these allegations they just they just took them as you're going to court martial

over the allegations or over this financial stuff over over allegations okay over the allegations

all right that's what I thought so there was no police report and your I know that they do

internal investigations in the military but they just didn't even do that they just said okay

we're just gonna take it as writ because of these policies or this sort of like changing policies

put in by the Obama administration because they they get their numbers from this really like bogus

study that was done on college campuses by Mary Coss and they're basically saying well if this

happens on college campuses it's got to be true for the military as well so we're just gonna run

with that right so there there was an investigation so as soon as she posted on Facebook saying

oh he beat me they put me under flag they fought a red flag is is halting all product productivity

of me promoting or leading and I'm an officer so I went and sat in the free shop for three years

so they had been an investigation for three years on me and I sat stagnant I all my other peers

went and become captains and went back to school and I still a second lieutenant it takes four

years to become a captain so I sat there as a second lieutenant and what I started figuring out was

that that lieutenant colonel that had put me under flag didn't have to put me under flag

and he was influencing all the other captains that were in charge of me to try to get more stuff

on me so like negative counseling's disobeying orders they're trying their best and I'll get

the example we had lieutenant's command run colonel's PT which means that a lieutenant has to

build a fiscal training plan for everybody and execute it well that lieutenant I helped

write the PT plan for him and he decides not to show up that morning not called don't give a

heads up like he's in charge of colonels PT like it's a big deal yeah and I call him and I call

him and I call him and I'm like like five calls in I'm like hey dude where are you why are you

not answering I had a panic attack I'm not coming and I said that's not an excuse and he said I'm

not coming and hung up and I told the colonel the one that didn't like me hey sir he's not coming

he had panic attack apparently I guess I'll run it the the commander that was in charge of him

was the s3 which is right underneath the the Lieutenant Colonel was supposed to discipline him

all the thing that happened was are you okay I heard it I was in the room are you okay all right

nothing happened to him and that's a big deal no negative counseling no smack on the wrist it was

just like are you okay and letting go it was like a week later I live about 45 minutes from post

I let them know hey I'm gonna be a minute late there's some traffic back here just gonna give

you guys a heads up I get there and I run up information and I think I was probably 45 seconds to

a minute late off for first formation that commander try to give me a negative counseling and

write me up for being a minute late and I was like what I don't understand this you you at all

your NCOs miss formation or be 10 minutes late or this this lieutenant miss a PT that he was scheduled

to run and you're gonna try to give me a negative counseling for being a minute late and I let you

know she's okay fine I'll write you up for AWOL I said AWOL I said hold on I said okay you're

searching now I think you're fishing for something to write me up for I said because the fact you

just said that you're writing it for AWOL so do you even know what AWOL means that she gave me some

dumb definition of what AWOL was I said false so the definition of a AWOL is a fact that you you

just get without any communication at all and just ghost that's AWOL they give you what is it 48

hours they give you 48 hours and if you do not say anything or come back that's AWOL she she spew

that mess and then I said all right we're we're done here so that's why I knew that that commander

was telling her to write me up for certain things and the reason I say that is because we went to

court martial they try to use her write-ups as extra stuff to tack on to that general court

martial yeah I mean we're trying to make it not just these allegations but add as much to it as

possible to add to add credibility to the court martial right how many I think they started out with

with how many allegations 35 yeah 35 allegations turned out to be 13 turned out to be four

but the army does that the court systems do this to people on the outside where I do it on the

inside world is if you're accused of one thing they do everything in their book to try to

tack on a lot more stuff so it sounds like you're the worst person in the whole world

in front of a judge and then they've already been told me that he's going to make you look like

the worst person in the world he said don't get discouraged it is just their playable procedure

yeah because it's yeah basically it becomes a kind of like game where the lawyers the prosecutors

are like trying to win the game so they're trying to get as much as they can out of it yeah well

another thing that bothered me the most was that my colonel had my wife on speed dial

my wife x wife got on the phone and said I have your colon on speed dial you just go ahead and say

something wrong and I'll just call him and get you effed up what no I was home at that time okay

I walked in his office knocked on the door said sir do you have my my wife on speed dial

he said I have her own contact yeah I said you guys talk regularly it's like once a week

well I was like what in the world are you thinking why are you talking to my ex-wife once a week

I said that is not that's not supposed to happen yeah and I had the recording

because the city of Kansas you can record apparently one one party but I don't think you could

really do it for the mariner not but I I think it's the reason that all these all guys have got

dropped he was influencing all the commanders and I found this out that if if the lower commander

did not agree with the higher commander that commanders job was at risk because that's the army

because the company commander they got in charge of me kind of had something along the same lines

happened to him not not that crazy but he literally said at the beginning he was like

anybody else they didn't believe me whatever but after like a month him him dealing with my ex-wife

always calling up there he said dude I get it I understand what you're saying now she's she is nuts

he said I'd love to help you but this colonel is asking me to bury you get stuff on you

and talk to his wife and gather information and I had that recorded he didn't know that

and I apologize him later but when he got it on stand he said the complete opposite

and I knew that colonel was making him say that they dropped all charges against me from

the colonel and the captain because that captain could keep his story straight on the stand

and they had that recording so they dropped everything and and to me and even on stand

in the courtroom they caught her and many lies and to me I'm sitting there going this that's

mistrial yeah that's a mistrial you know they that my wife my wife was testifying and my wife

got up her and told her what she had witnessed and seen and they stopped the proceedings made the

courtroom made the jury clear the clear the courtroom and had a discussion with the prosecutor and

the judge and yeah there was a lot of stuff going on in that courtroom and we didn't know about

Arbus until after the fact this as long as we're here for about an hour and I know you need to wrap

up we didn't know about Arbus till after the fact but if we to note about Arbus and what was going

on in these these hearings we could have used that at our advanced to our advantage sure but we found

out later that six of the jury members had been on her jury's multiple times and that's illegal

wow I don't want to wrap it up so I'm going to like speed through the this this trial so

leading up to the trial my my attorney quit so I had a younger attorney first year attorney

and it just seemed like he was already checked out like he already knew it was going to happen

he said about something about them playing golf on with the prosecution and all this was throwing

for look I was getting mad I was because I'm a criminal justice major I was going to go to law

school and I was parents telling this is not a fair and speed trial what what are you talking about

why can they do this and I can't say anything I have all this evidence I have heard

admitting that I didn't do anything on one of these lives I I have her on on these TikToks

guys saying hey where's he at I'll go get him for your heart honey like I'll go take care of him

at midnight at my house in Kansas there was a black charge that parked out front of my house two

nights in a row this time I I actually slipped out the back door slipped around onto the curb and

knocked on the door soon as I hit hit the glass car took off and and there was like 15 dudes

in in the comments was saying hey where's he at I'll go take care of him honey don't worry

about and I give this to my lawyers and they're just like and and I'm like I'm scared for my life

like this woman is having people try to come take me out and it made me I turn off all the lights

yeah I'm gonna call some house like I was ready for it because yeah I mean didn't care

and there's like 15 police reports out there from Kansas of me calling on hate there's

something out front sitting in my in my driveway with the lights on hey somebody to try to break

in my house I had a break in and the army just come blew it off so leading up to the court case

I had all this evidence and I told them that now like they asked me to take a plea deal of 35 years

and I said no I have all this evidence good try kick rocks

um and then they come back with oh okay a plea deal of two months I said what was the what was

the plea deal for plea deal was for me to plea to domestic violence oh so basically to plea guilty

and then you get like redo sentence but you didn't do anything wrongs you're like no I'm not

doing that and I have a good good on you and we trusted the court system yeah I trust the

commanders at one point because I was very patriotic when I came in the army I was very patriotic

I had I had clean record I had flying colors eagle scout two-time state champ like yeah

decorated and wrestling and honor student it was an honor student and I came in the army thinking

I'm just gonna keep adding to and doing the right thing and take care of my soldiers well

I I saw a whole different world being a pogue which is logistics the combat arms guys told

told a different mentality it was kind of mentality I had but they told me you can't bring that

mentality into the pogue world I said why not what not pogue just just logistical logistical world

and logistical units are totally different than infantry maneuver units maneuvering units are

your guys that are straightforward hard-nosed good-charging guys okay all the officers most

officers and stuff are like that but you get out you branch out into the service support service

units and the service support units and you find that there's guys out there that that aren't

the best they aren't up and up they kind of just want to go hide and whatever as long as it gets

done type of guys yeah but that's that's that's beside the point this this this whole case the evidence

that he had against her and against the stuff that she was doing they would not allow in that

courtroom because it spoke negatively to her character yeah I spoke negative to her character

and we had we had eyewitnesses that they wouldn't subpoena now my family showed up on their own

they they paid for them because they volunteered to come but the so they were saying a character

witness was different than an actual evidential witness so the people that we had this said hey we'll

come and that would speak negatively to her in the character the prosecution told told the judge

we don't want them and they were not allowed that's what I was told yeah character witness was allowed

so what I learned in that courtroom is yeah there's the proceedings and then once they have found

their verdict then your character witnesses are allowed to then step forward talk about your

character that would help your sentence be lower or higher yeah yeah so the courtroom is stacked

against the soldier not necessarily just him but the courtrooms have been stacked against the

soldier in 2013 when all this started there's so many people that are sitting in jail right now

that are innocent men and women because of the procedures in the courtroom so the day before I

went in there that prosecution met my TDS lawyer also the door and they took all my evidence away

from me and I said what was going on he said you're not allowed to have any of this evidence into

procedures proceedings this excuse me who says this he said the prosecution said so I said the

prosecution it does not get that say so he said yes they do yep prosecution pretty much runs the

courtroom and what they want what they don't want he said that if it if it if it if it has some

to do with objecting to some of them they say you can use something but it has to be pre-planned

have to pre-accept it before we go into the courtroom and the whole time I'm like scream buddy murder this

is dumb I cannot believe this like I just said pretty much you're pretty much locking my wrist up

before we even walk in the room like I'm a sitting duck so and what I found out afterwards was

she was going along with this because she's getting paid to go along with this um she got on the

victim witness list if you get on the victim's list you get $1,500 a month per victim 3000 for three

years which means she got my my daughter got it which was was an infant got a victim witness list

she got the victim witness list and then her mom got the victim witness list so she was collecting

45 no mom didn't get nothing she got whatever she got she got like some money out of it too so

it was like she benefits she gets to look like the victim which is good for her um she gets paid

and she gets your child your daughter yeah she takes me out of pictures what she says yeah she

gets to go to the picture and get paid for it yep and yeah um all right go go ahead the the biggest

thing that I had a reflag with being inside the courtroom was the jury that they had there there

was multiple jury members that um it was a conflict of interest they had our battalion medical

guy on there which worked hand in hand with my my colonel this trying to get him okay um the two

biggest colonels highest of rank that were on the jury were um my colonel's wife's best friends

they admitted to this coming to their house going to parties at their house things like that

and not I think was like seven of the jury members knew the prosecution and worked hand in hand

prior to that which told me the majority of all the jury was a conflict of interest we

and they they let them fly and I thought I would go I thought that would go against um at the end

when they did appeals like look all the jury members they knew they knew the prosecution

all everybody on the prosecution and then that judge would not let any of my any of my um

witnesses on stand so like the guy that she left me for he said I'll testify to that I'll be

there and just went went blank for the last week that wouldn't return calls like nothing

so I found out that I was a sitting duck so I'm glad that I had the judge that I did have um

I they switched out judges like a week prior to court and then told me a week prior I'm like what's

going on that my lawyer told me that the original judge was was a hard-knows individual like he was

so hard-knows and he put people in jail for the max not the minimums so he was sitting in the back

of the courtroom and he spoke out of turn we were we were going through proceedings and he yelled guilty

guilty and I turned around like who is that and he's sitting in the back of the courtroom

is he is the head judge at Fort Riley I had I had a national guard judge yeah and he screams guilty

during during this not at the end and I'm like how is it like okay we're not gonna hold in

the contempt for saying anything yeah right was there even a warning nothing nothing

so what is where are we at right now what ended up happening as a result of that and how are

you dealing with it so they found me guilty for four different things so um and then they told me

I had a year and a half in love work and I have never seen the inside of the jail sale I've never

been no speeding didn't have no speeding tickets nothing I'm like I have a clean record and also

not being put in prison for something that they can't accuse me of or they couldn't couldn't find

anything so the outside courts would hear her case at all the outside courts would not do anything

man this what the evidence you bring to us is not evidence that there is there was not enough

to take it to criminal court yep they told her that it this is this is nothing yep but the army

said oh we'll take it yep so I spent a year in there or a year and a half in there and I figured

out why okay it's not about if you did right or wrong I found it was about numbers and money

it was $5,000 a week per per inmate that the federal paid the state the state was getting all that

money for fulfilling sales and I found out the prosecution has a quoted a meat has to put away

a certain amount of individuals per post and if you get officers it's it's a bonus so I found

that out and some of the guys I talked to I read their files I read their their their their paperwork

it was like I had a buddy of mine get put in there for a hikki he gave a he gave a girl a hikki

and and the command the prosecution had that girl testify against him because of adultery

and he he was he had been away he had been Hawaii the family lived in New York she had a whole new

boyfriend and she testified for him said we've not been together for four years I have my own I have

a boyfriend now I have my own my going on he has his own going on like there's nothing wrong here

and and the prosecution said well there's no divorce decree so it's adultery so we're going to make

you spend a year and live work yeah and I said he did a year and live worth for having a relationship

when they've already been separated yeah so a lot of this stuff is blown out of proportion but these

this stuff is stuck with these guys rest of their lives yeah yeah yeah this this this year and three

months that he spent in prison for us for for a mother and father that that raised her kids you know great

grandfather served grandfather served my dad retired from the military my sister retired from

military to see the disgusting part of the military and I know that you've got listeners right now

that know exactly what I'm talking about the disgusting part of the military is when you're being

railroaded as a service member you volunteer to protect this country and you get railroaded

and our our Congress is not doing nothing about this when it was brought to light through this

DAC iPad or iPad DAC committee which everyone it was I forget now and if hadn't been for

Arbor's bringing us to light that there's actually an investigation going on about this criminal

stuff that's going on is is just this heartening to wave that flag it is disheartening to know that our

own government is doing this to our men and women and did it to him and not necessarily just him

because when I found out that this had happened multiple times I was I was I come and spoke

on his behalf to the DAC iPad committee at the pen or not the Pentagon we were in Arlington

in a room with Arbor's and yeah just to see those people in the investigation they were doing

where it's nothing more than they were they were wavering their hand at stuff it wasn't they were

really that digging into whether innocent people had gotten convicted it was what's wrong with

our procedure how does our procedure do wrong let's get some data over a couple two or three years

while these people sit in jail that we're innocent yeah so to answer your question about how is

the fact has affected me it is very much mess with my my head and my mental I don't I don't trust

the world we live in I don't trust our government I don't trust the police officers at living my

county like I just I feel like I'm looking over my shoulder all the time and it has affected my

everyday life my ex-wife still stalks me to this day she affects me getting jobs she affects me

moving on she's affecting me coaching like I have a big background big fat resume and wrestling

it have a lot to give and I try to give it back to the community and someone made an allegation

their day that I try to kill my ex-wife and children and it was just like when is this going to end

when's it going to stop me alone yeah and the reason I want to do this interview is I want to get my

story out there but also I'm hoping the story reaches others and I'm hoping it reaches

possibly some political individuals I can possibly help me get this that's what we're trying

to do yeah I mean I know that Arvis has he does have some access or some connections to people

in the current administration and the military and such and they are looking into it but I think

that we need to make more noise so that's why I'm doing these interviews whenever I you know

and I hope this interview reaches I hope it reaches Trump I hope he sees it so and if he does see it

yeah I hope that's really I mean that'd be nice but that's really optimistic but I'd like that

that'd be nice so here's something else is this this individual this female has done this to

another soldier oh yeah that poor bragg same thing got pregnant had a baby now he can't see his

his child so a little more behind it so she did almost the same thing but not not quite maybe

there's their own circle of stances here but he kind of he said I figured out he opted out

to see his child because of her what she will do is she'll manipulate the situation to get you

to talk and do what she wants you to do and then add things in there and try to get get get

you caught up I think they're commanded a better job at it because that command um gave her like

a cease-and-assist order say no contact leave him alone and talk try to protect him where that

where he's command like he said logistical command just serve me up on a platter yeah he was he's

infantry in reconnaissance but I'm not gonna vouch his name but um she she's doing that and saying

the same thing is calling us all the deadbeats and and things yeah that's that's also the narrative

speaking of which um I guess my last question for you wrap up and thank you so much for sharing

your story really appreciate it you know it's not easy to talk to a total stranger about something

very personal um how how do is your daughter doing I honestly don't know we're not out none of us

are allowed to see so after everything happened every time I try to reach out I would get a restraining

order mm-hmm I think I've got probably eight restraining orders yeah and me and his mom have

gotten restraining orders for just sending birthday cards and stuff yep yep so it's it's it's

ridiculous but it's exhausting and it's got to the point where she I think almost ran me up for

$3,000 a month for for a two-month-old and would just give false stuff for the courts and

of course like um daycare maybe a thousand dollars for daycare a month but she had no seat

and then and then pulled her out of daycare you know I had to keep paying it because of the court

order yeah stuff like that I got all that next because I signed some stuff over to her and um

yeah every time I try to reach out I get a restraining order in northern

center Carolina you can put as many restraining orders as you want the restraining orders didn't

go through she would just do a restraining order force us to show up but then she wouldn't show up

so it would cost us money to fly down there I flew down there twice to Fayetteville North Carolina

where she took out two restraining orders on me and I didn't do nothing I didn't reach out to her

nothing but I had to show up and I got an attorney down there and this attorney says she

she's a quite girl I don't know what in the world but she wouldn't show up for neither one of the

court dates and the judge finally threw it out and she admit and I wish I would record

of this I think my record didn't work that day she admitted to me that she knew the judge

in Fayetteville she was friends with that person because she was her bailiff at one point

and I said that's a that's a complex of interest and as soon as my stuff went through

and she got what she wanted from that judge that that judge retired yeah it was like oh how

convenient but none of the restraining orders went through we didn't none of them no my mother's

did go through oh well because we sent a birthday card to her mom and so happened that her mom

she was living with her mom we didn't know that we just knew that her mom hadn't moved so we sent

it to her opening it would reach wherever animal she had told me that we could send mail to that

address for him and then chop and then spun it and then did a restraining order on it yeah so then we

got then my wife got for stalking so yeah and in the end we I have just I've stopped all right I don't

want to stop I I make a post for her birthday every year but it's just it's it's it's it's rough to say

if no one's ever been in the situation but I'm gonna wait till she reaches out to me instead of

me trying to reach out and yes and I just I can just keep getting hit with restraining orders

right and mask right it's just I like I said I try to be left alone I just want to move on

and yeah yeah and I'm not too tough still don't get it hopefully your ex-wife isn't telling lies

about you but she probably is don't she yeah yeah rental alienation is a real problem yeah so like

the she might grow up hating you and because she was told to you know so I mean it's possible

but maybe she'll want to you know if she gets abused herself she might be interested in finding

you and maybe she'll put it together well I guess I just hope that it works out like that you know

it's a little early to tell right now yeah that's right just keep on moving

well thank you so much for telling us your story Dalton I did get one

super-challies are like paid messages from audience members so Zarynx gave us five dollars

super-child thank you Zarynx and he says imagine being a male U.S. citizen you're forced to

register for selective service when you become 18 otherwise you're barred from any government work

and services in addition to that you're liable to being imprisoned and or $250,000 or $260,000

fine you then enlist into our armed forces and swear an oath to uphold the constitution then upon

being falsely accused your guilty until proven innocent or just guilty and you must abide by

injustice and armed forces visits upon you or compounds with your being falsely accused then

you either get back get the black mark of a dishonorable discharge or you survive and endure years

of good faith thank you for your service statements knowing that you dealt what you dealt with

I honestly wonder how veterans that go through this reconcile all that just thinking about it

and imagining it it pisses me off it's a fucking joke I wish you the best Dalton so thank you Zarynx

for that I'm sorry you want to say something to that yeah well I appreciate it very much

yeah I do think the black mark of a dishonorable discharge is is ridiculous how many how many they

actually hand out now knowing knowing if you're if you're in the military and you're a little

major rank and you haven't had to deal with this you'll never know this happens until you hit

lieutenant colonel until you see what happens well not even just that like when I was enlisted

I was cool I enjoyed the army I did what I was told I moved on on the commands dead

everything yes sir no sir you can be but but as soon as I got in a leadership role and saw

the political and I sat into general's meetings and saw what they were doing to to to soldiers

and I and I spoke up and I watched my lieutenant colonel lie to generals and nothing happened and I

told you I run the long-range short-range hanging calendar I run all this stuff you want to see

the real truth I'll show it to you I show that general everything nothing you lied to a general

and nothing happened no no all right corruption it's not even funny yeah no I think they're

time well we can we can talk another time for sure I want to thank you guys again for coming

on the show and telling your story and thank you for your service such as it whatever with that's

worth you know I know I appreciate it I'm I'm still patriotic and optimistic but I understand

that there's definitely like entropy that we've allowed to sort of creep into all of our institutions

that we need to clean up so that's kind of my approach is hey let's talk about it and then try

to get it cleaned up if we can so because we have to we have to live here and there's no where else

this is it like this is United States is it that's like there's no there's nothing

freer than this place even with all the problems so let's try to fix the problems but

but yeah I want to thank you guys again for coming on the show I want to thank you all at home

most of all for tuning in and watching and you know you could be anywhere and yet you are here so

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