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season two episode one drop. David and I are gonna drop all talk all about it.

And guess what, ladies and gents, we actually have legit news to talk about too.

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break with news. You know what we are so excited. We have we have been

chopping at the bit for this. So how's been your week, David?

Week's been good. I'm glad to be back and missed last week, but thankfully

Mr. Heinz is able to step in and he got to step in on a week where there was

something substantial. So the Curse of Hines was was broken. I was so happy for him

with that but so jealous that I wasn't there to talk about that amazing trailer

that I have probably watched 10 times. Guessing you liked it.

Yeah, I had a friend over the house and we were just talking and laughing about

something. And I was like, oh, have you seen the trailer? And they were like, no,

I haven't seen it. So I put on the trailer. And then they were, they seem confused.

And I was like, you do remember I think they're like, no, I never watched the last movie.

So that was like, stop. We got about 20 seconds to the trailer. I stopped it and then

put on the last Spider-Man movie. I'm like, no, no, no. We're watching this and said,

we're grabbing drinks. We're sitting down. We're watching this damn movie.

Why do I think you plan this out saying, I'm going to find a way to work this in.

Yes, we are glad that Mr. Heinz also did two weeks of fast and

factor fiction as well. So no, we want to appreciate Travis and we're coming back on at that

point seven and two weeks. I know we really do appreciate it. Yeah. This week I'm at time

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Alright, let's get into it. This is Daredevil. Born again, season two, episode one, the Northern

Star. So we both are very excited. We've been talking about this. We broke down a little trailer,

if you talked about this was supposed to be this is supposed to be the season where everything's

supposed to be. It's no rebooting midway through. We're not Frankenstein-ing episodes and ideas

together. This is supposed to be a big through line of consistency. So high level thoughts before

we start breaking it down. What did you think of this first episode? Did it, did it continue with

your hopes and dreams? Yeah, so I went into this. I saw what Brendan Davis had said, and I saw

some others had said talking about the first two episodes were slow and then everything ramps up.

I did not find this to be slow. I found this to be methodical and one good cohesive story,

like within the episode leading up to more, but there were just so many good points to this that

I was just like, oh, I'm I see what they're doing and where they're going and I love it. I'm not

as shocked by Matthew Loders' character as some other people because I just finished watching

season two of Cross on Amazon Prime and he is in that as a very, very bad, just straight-up asshole.

So seeing him in a darker tone things, I'm not a lot of people who like, oh, I will always see him

as shaggy. I'm excited to see where his character goes, but yeah, this Matt in this nice cohesive

story, just I'm here for it and I'm so excited for where the rest of the season is going to go.

Yeah, I wouldn't necessarily go as a fact of neither one of us have seen, you know,

beyond this episode. So I can't well, well, next week we have two episodes to break down two and

three, which is an interesting way of doing these drops, but neither here nor there.

I would say I wouldn't call it a, you know, a slow episode I call where we're we're reintroducing

our main players and we're setting up the chessboard with the number of storylines that

a little worried in the sense of how many storylines we're introducing just in one episode alone,

but you know, I'm not going to necessarily poop who anything without kind of seeing if they're

able to kind of coalesce this and not seem like we're we're going to do this all the time talk

about all four or five storylines all at once at this point, but yeah, I think they did a good job

with like I said, laying down the board, see our players are in setting up kind of what we're at

in Fisk's New York where we left it, you know,

but I enjoyed I definitely enjoyed it. It was not the best first episode. It wasn't not the

worst episode. It was just it just felt good to be back and seeing exactly how Matt Karen,

their resistance go against Mayor Fisk and all his cronies, including a government official and

that's not on the books. So yeah, but all right, so let us start breaking this down. So

according to the BB report, um, that, you know, we open up with BB and the report, um,

the people of New York are on Mayor Fisk side. Maybe, maybe, you know, because I view this as

straight propaganda. And it's not necessarily, you know, especially kind of the film lens,

kind of like this kind of bright kind of heroic lenses, they're talking it, they're putting the

anti-vigilante task force in a fun light and everyone was happy, you know, this is straight

propaganda, but, you know, it's continuing kind of what we saw throughout last season with his

BB reports. Yeah, and, um, I was watching something else and they made this, um, correlation and

it like really resonated with me is some of this is a throwback to older, fascist errors where you had

the propaganda pieces, you had the posters of the leader, you had all this symbolism, you had them

putting their name on buildings and monuments and stuff like that to, you know, to drive the people

to this thought that they are in control. And I'm like that, that felt like that's what Fisk was

doing. Here's the propaganda pieces. Here's the, I'm the savior. I'm the white knight in his white

suit type moments. And so yeah, the, the BB report was very different from the gritty, uh, grounded

versions that we got last season, which were also a vehicle for advancing the story. And this is

more of just straight propaganda. Yeah, so we flashed to, we get past that and we go flash to

Daredevil's watching a cargo ship in the port, the northern star. He's wearing his new suit,

slash old suit, because all he did was basically paint it black and put deities on it, which is

basically this is the first time we've seen him not only in a suit, but basically putting the

double d's on his suit, you know, so it's a, basically, it's a homage to this shadow and suit as

many of us call it, but also it's a, it's also a homage to Charles soul suit during his run as

well. Yeah. And so we'll, we'll kind of see exactly what it is. We know Charles soul's run was

a lot throughout last season. It's definitely going to be some things in this season.

What did you think of this suit? Now you kind of saw it in action.

I, I agree with Charlie Cox. We've said in an interview recently that this suit has jumped up

to his favorite of the suits. For me, it was the same scene that that black look, that kind of

gray look, and then having the double d's on display, which it was beautiful to see. And then

the way that they structured it with the lighting that really accentuated the color marks,

and then really giving you the first full look of it in that red grainy video from the ship,

like all of that just amplified the look of this suit and how menacing it came across.

Oh, yeah. I mean, we're in a new era of New York where he can't be necessarily trying to

be more sneaky and more of where he's having to delve out of and coming out of the underworld.

So he boards the ship and finds cargo crates full of illegal weapons.

And you know, he has a cool, very cool fight sequence. Just this is, this is exactly what we

want to begin with, you know, the cool, not to say a hallway fight sequence, but just showing how

brutal that it is at this point in taking everyone down. Yeah.

Yeah. A cool moment for me was when one of the guys sneaks up behind him and he's going to

shoot and Daredevil just stops. You can see that he hears and senses everything. Ducks his head

moves out the way of it. And he was just, yeah, this was full. This was full Daredevil. And when

he puts away the mat part of him and just fully embraces the Daredevil, the man's a beast with

the hand to hand. Yeah. But as he takes him down, he finds these illegal weapons. But then the

captain of the ship, and his first mate, captain's like, nope, we said this wasn't going to be

capture. We can't let this happen. We know what to do. Basically, scuddles the ship. And so

the senses that we get that kind of like Daredevil were in the, were in his sense mode. He understands

what's going on. So he throws a watch into one of the crates. So he might be able to find it. And

you know, they, the thingships in Daredevil eventually escapes because, you know, protagonist.

And he wants a bunch of shore that heads back to where they're hiding out in Josie's apartment.

And he tells her exactly what's going down. And, you know, they're, they start having some fun

with each other. And so we're not having this. Are they, will they, won't they? No, they're,

they're shacking up. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's, it's full on display here.

For, you know, and this brings up, you know, the question we have, even though it's not mentioned

at all in this one, you know, foggy. And we've seen the trailers, but it also looks to be a flashback

at this point. They say, Oh, you know, yes, I know there's a storyline where foggy was actually

witness protection. And this could be there. But I, I'm more and more convinced that no, I don't

think foggy's coming back. I think it was a flip of what happened instead of carrying page,

getting killed by Bullseye. It is foggy. That's getting killed. No, I'm not saying. I don't know if

Karen is going to meet that same fate like she does in the comics. But I think they did a trade-out

and I would not be surprised if, you know, he is dead. And, and we're not going to see him come back.

Yeah. I originally lean more towards though. We're going to see him again. But after the way that

this went, I get the feeling that he's may legitimately be gone, sans some flashbacks. Yeah, but

so that we do see kind of, I don't know if it's this or later on we see Karen, I think it's later

on we see Karen training and getting some, you know, fighting tips so that way she can stand

underground. I think it's later, right? Yes. They they have a moment where she it because it starts

off with he is on the the karate training thing. And then later she tries it herself and then

they do a little one on one with each other. But yeah, that comes a little bit later. Yeah.

So flashback to the harbor and the ship is now blocking the port causing lots of issues for

New York. Yeah, you don't want to do that. Fisk is on the scene and he tells Blake to put the

story out there that this was a terrorist attack by the vigilante of Hills kitchen dare devil.

Vanessa. Yeah. In reality, the East River that's in New York is only about 40 to 60 feet deep.

So a ship wouldn't fully sink. So it just being stuck there turned up blocking the rest of the

port is so realistic for that actual error. Yeah. Um, and he wants, he wants to hunt dare devil

and Karen page to intensify like squeeze it out. He says they're still here. They're causing this

issue. Um, and then we head to out in New York to Washington DC where we are introduced to Matthew

Lillard's character, Mr. Charles and he's at a bar watching the news about the free port blockage

and he's on the phone with someone. He says that he can go up there himself because, you know,

he could always use the miles drops his phone into the glass basically signaling that this was a

burner phone. And the comics, Mr. Charles is a real character. Uh, Mr. Charles was in charge of

illegal drills that took place on on the rocks on Discovery. Look tied to rocks on. But in this case,

because we do hear him make a reference when he does show up in New York. Um, he looks to be

having ties to the CIA. Yes. Um, this is my one nitpicky part about this episode and it has nothing

to do with the show itself. How dare they waste a perfectly good class of whiskey. I get,

getting rid of the burner phone, but you could have dropped that thing in some water. That was a

perfectly good glass and that just as an avid whiskey drinker and an avid fan of old fashions that

hurt my soul. Oh, I'm sorry. Did you drink one at that moment to make up for it? I did. I, I,

I poured one for myself in memoriam, poured one out for your buddy. Um, so then we go back to New

York and attorney general, uh, serve Rudd and the lieutenant governor Gomez are meeting with

fish. And I could just tell like, Oh, Wilson must love having people above him or think they're

above him, tell him what to do. They are very concerned about his safer streets initiative and the

upcoming vigilante trials. Um, that we're going to get a little preview of with everyone he's

arrested with the, uh, anti vigilante task force. And that emerges the power given like they're not

happy because again, they don't feel in charge. They are feeling like this is getting too big for his

bridges. And they want him to stop it. They're just saying, well, you know, I need the governor to

say, I don't know if the governor is going to sign off on all this. You need to play by our rules.

So Mr. Charles kind of stumbles in and talking about how he can get like some awesome food,

cart food claims to be from Langley, which is why we were saying right now, um, you know, he's

posing as at least someone from the CIA or at least ties to the CIA. And uh, the attorney general

gets a phone call and he says, okay. And he tells Wilson that he could do whatever he wants. He's

got our backing. So my guess is he was talking to the governor, but that's at the behest of whatever

Mr. Charles has on the governor. Uh, they, they, they say who he was talking to. Um, I must have missed

that point. I thought it was the governor. And this is how, well, this is what gives credence to

that Mr. Charles is working for the CIA because as the guy is about to get out the phone, he says,

yes, Miss D. Fontaine. Oh, I missed that. Oh, I totally missed that. Yes. So that was don't call

her Val. Okay. Given, given the call in to say, yeah, now that the CIA wants him to continue to

do what he's doing, which would match what Val was trying to get rid of in Thunderbolts. You

know, she had her illegal guns and all her other things that she was trying to hide from everyone.

And so for her to be back assisting with this, doing illegal activity would not be

out the norm. Okay. I'm, I totally missed that. Um, so thank you. Um, yeah, that, that makes

that scene even more because I just thought it was the governor, but I must have just missed that

kind of line there. So yeah, so don't call her Val. Don't even think it at that point. She's

pulling her strings along with the new Avengers and everything like that. Um, so then we see, uh,

Mr. Jack DuCane, uh, aka the swordsman being held at some undisclosed location waiting for his

trial. And he's visited by everyone's least favorite ex-girlfriend Heather Glenn. Sorry. I'm

like, uh, I'm known, I don't know, Mr. Stell doesn't care for it. I don't care for Heather Glenn.

Nothing against the actors or anything. I just don't care for a character and, you know,

I won't be a sad when she meets the end of maybe something that bulls eye fires at her.

Yeah. Um, I, I, I'm not a fan of her. I don't see her making it through this season in the comic

books. She has a, a tragic end. Um, I think that in this, she's going to have, if not the same end

that she does in the comics, which I won't spoil in case that does, uh, end up happening.

I do think she will, there will be a way that she does find an end by the end of this series,

because yeah, I'm, I'm not a fan of her character at all. Um, just doesn't resonate with me.

Yeah. Um, but she's there to, um, she is there at the behest of, um, uh, Wilson Fisk and the

district attorney and doing a psyche valve, doing a psyche valve who claims, um, she claims he is

very hostile and delusional and hates authority. And he's like, no, I'm, I'm not hate, I'm not

hateful. I'm just, you know, he, he also, he's hostile against fascists. Yeah. You know, and he's

stuck in an underground prison that is very obvious, not anything about this is legal. So yeah,

he's going to have some questions and question authority. Like when he says, you know, what type of

places this really because he also sees, you know, some things on the table and some other aspects of

that he's like, this isn't a traditional prisoner holding sale. And as we saw at the end of last

season, they had them all in cages and some underground bunker like nothing about this is a legal

prison. Yeah. Um, but this was a surprising thing during her questioning. She starts seeing

something in the background. She's hallucinating of mues. And she starts kind of freaking out

about it. And she threatens Jack telling him if he doesn't comply, he will be hurt badly.

Oh, what you're going to do. Yeah. Now, I did like the, the camera shift when she saw mues in

how it gave the tilt and everything like that. Um, it, this, the mues coming back thing. Again,

I, is another reason why I don't see her character making it through the end of the season.

She's, she's definitely having a, a mental issue of her own. Um, yeah. She, she hasn't dealt with,

I mean, this is proof. I don't know being a psychologist that went at the trauma that she did go

into, you know, she didn't really, uh, like she ever dealt with it. David, it happened fun with

me texting me during the show. Um, the, again, if she did have some therapy, I don't even know

like how many months were, were removed at this point, but I'd like to think that she has done

absolutely nothing to, uh, get herself help of what she had to deal with when she was attacked by

mues and kidnapped. Um, and so this is her psyche, kind of fighting, fighting against itself and

showing this. So she's going to be really effective as a psychologist for, for Wilson Fisk and

what she, he needs her to do. Yeah. She, she's definitely got some, um, dealt with trauma going on.

And it, it's, it's going to come back. Yeah. So, um, we go to, uh, you know,

someone else is, is there. And, um, we flash back to Kristen, you know, that's legal partner at

the firm that they started. And, you know, she's trying to, uh, help all the people on the task force.

It keeps picking along, um, picking up along with Cherry. She's worried about Matt, but Cherry

thinks that he'll be fine. Nobody knows where Matt is. Where does he do? You know, it got to love

it when you're, your legal partner drops off the basis of the earth. And Cherry's like, Oh, yeah,

he's fine. I don't know what we're going to do about that. Um, and then the district attorney shows up

and tries to get Kristen to, is it Kirsten? I think I think it keeps him saying, Kristen, it's Kirsten,

sorry. Um, Kirsten to not fight him in court and just kind of take what happened, take a die,

basically, she's representing Jack. And he knows her evidence won't matter. Meanwhile,

Cherry gets a text from Matt, you know, it's needing to meet. So, I mean, how would you feel about,

you know, you're, you're, you're Kirsten, and you're trying to keep this, basically this whole

law firm, I'll float yourself, you know, I, I'd be kind of, uh, you know, they're concerned about

that, but it's just like, I got too much to do to wonder where he is, but where is he? Yeah, and

she, she looked overwhelmed like if you look at her desk, she had Advil or what looked like some

type of migraine pill, she had crumbs everywhere from obviously eating at her desk stacks of papers,

like this whole thing is falling apart and she's just trying to keep her head above water.

Yep, and there's Cherry. He knows more than he's letting on trying to say, oh, yeah, he'll be fine. Oh,

worry about it. Yeah, getting a text from a reservation service, uh, in order to meet up with Matt,

I did think that that was that that was a cool little thing that they did were, you know, confirm

your reservation. Yes or no to say if they could meet, but yeah, Cherry, she's over there,

feet kicked up, living his best life like, yeah, I'll be fine and she's over here just struggling

to keep this thing afloat. Yeah, you know, you got to, you know, got to play the game, right? And,

you know, it's what cost, you know, yeah, but so before we continue on with our break down,

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Kristoffi who were the, I'm guessing, you know, get the captain and I'm assuming his first mate

from the northern star because they want them and they want to take them out before they find

someone who will listen and believe them with their story. Yeah. So that was kind of interesting

of how much that, you know, one they survived, but, you know, they know it's a leak that they got

a plug. Yeah. And it's, it's, they walk into the restaurant, they ask for the proprietor like we

know that you know, and she's like, I don't know what you're talking about. And it's, it's known that

these guys don't have to follow any rules. So they just straight up just slug the proprietor like,

I know, yeah, a solid punch. And at that point, um, Bravo to her for taking that punch and,

and standing your ground on that. Yeah, she, she went back real quick, but at that point, um,

Achillo realizes he's in trouble, dips out the back. And at that point, they're like, okay,

we, we know he is here and they chase him down, catch him in the alley and man that this poor man

just starts catching hands from these guys who are obviously enjoying this abuse of power.

Yeah. So then we get a, a BB report that gets hijacked by, um, someone in costume of Mayor,

Mayor Kingpin. And he says, BB's Uncle Ben York would be so disappointed in her for working for

fist, not to believe these reports. Uh, this man also calls Daredevil a dastardly do good. So

not necessarily sure if whoever this person is is a, is a fan of Daredevil. Not sure about that.

I don't know who could this person be because I don't think this is like the only time we're going

to see this hijacking of BB's report. Yeah. Now that this is going to show up again, I did,

I found it funny where they, that footage from earlier, the, you know, isn't everything great,

isn't fist doing great. Um, they get another aspect of that report where the balloons

removed out the way and it shows the fuckfisk in the background and how people really feel about

it. Like so they expose that. And yeah, this, this was a cool little moment. It's a nod to,

I think it was, uh, an area in Chicago that got their new station had gotten taken over in this, uh,

way and someone had on a costume of the character max headroom from the 80s and 90s and did kind

of the same thing about the government. So in this instance, someone did it with the BB report

and the fake mayor kingpin in the white suit. Yeah, this, this was good. Yeah. So we'll see exactly

what it is and who this possibly could be. I mean, I, I don't know if I have guesses. It would

be interesting to see if it was actually BB just posing at it. That could be kind of an interesting

twist, you know. Yeah. Um, uh, this, this scene will come back up for me in factor fiction later.

Oh, okay. All right. Um, so then BB actually shows up to Daniel Blake's apartment and he's

having a party and he once again defends this and she warns him to watch out, uh, inside the home.

There's a godfather poster, which is interesting because because he has the son of Jane's

Camdolfini who famously played, uh, the lead character in the spriners by the mobster.

Um, Matt visits the Aegean garden to tell Ariana that they are on the same page. She recognizes

him as Matt Murdock, a man who is supposed to be missing or dead. You know, so, um, he's just trying

to find them so that he gets them out of there too so that they don't wind up dead. Yeah, he,

he wants to help her, uh, find Christophine wants to get these men out and like he, he's exposing

himself because he knows that, all right, she, she's fighting on an underground level on her own

term. She may not be part of our group, but she's doing good work. We have the same goals so I can

present myself to you. Yep. Uh, Powell is, we later see that Powell is actually torching, uh,

Achilleo and trying to find out where Christophie is and has run off to. He doesn't know and

basically kind of in one of those things, um, Buck straights up, takes out a gun and blows his brains

out. You know, yeah, and just straight kills him. And it was one of those, oh, it was like,

he did it. I wasn't ever thinking that Buck wouldn't do it, but I was just more in the sense of

I thought he was trying to, it's, you know, when you're trying to find information, he must have

just said like, fine, he doesn't, I don't believe he's going to give him anything at this point.

He's going to stand his ground. Well, he's no use to us in bam, dead. Yeah, just one straight

to the back of the head like that. This isn't the book of last season going with the, um, this

arrange and trying to do this quietly. Nope. He's just like, all right. We're done with you.

Yep. Um, so Mr. Charles and so it's tough to meet with Visc and Vanessa. This is a very

interesting scene. So he tells Visc that he needs to be okay with killing everyone who helped

unload, unloads the boat. And this is like, good, good men are hard to fight. Um,

um, uh, do we have to do this? And Mr. Charles says like, um, yes, we do. Um, I can arrange it so

that the men are killed in industrial accident with no trace past a fish or himself. But yeah,

those are loose ends that, um, can really hurt us. Um, and we're just, yeah, you're going to have

to be okay with losing good men. Yeah. I, I love the way this scene started for two reasons.

One, Mr. Charles asking Visc goes, uh, so is it okay to talk about business with her in the room?

And yeah, this female here, you know, I don't care much for them. And Visc responds back to like,

she's privy to my business. I'm privy to hers. And he's like, you know, I don't want to disrespect

him. He's like, yeah, you already have. And we've seen how this handles when someone disrespects

Vanessa. But this is the one instance where he doesn't do anything, doesn't show anger or

anything else as someone has just crushes someone's soul. Yeah. Vanessa. And so I was like, uh,

Mr. Charles definitely must have wait. Cause Wilson just sat there and he was like, no,

we're on the same page with business. She can hear everything. Um, there was also two moments in

this scene where they really focus on this ring that Mr. Charles is wearing and they did the same

thing in his introduction scene when he's tapping on the glass. So I'm really, I'm wondering if that

has something to do with whatever agency he's really working for. Yeah, I kind of noticed that too.

It's one of those like good work for C.I. But a very, very, uh, even more black ops organization

or some kind of tied to an ancient organization dating back to the 14th century, you know. Yeah.

So it like you said, there was kind of an interesting kind of dinner table sequences knowing that

it does seem that when it comes to Mr. Charles and Fisk,

Mr. Charles seems to be holding the better deck a better hand of cards right now versus Fisk.

Fisk seems to be and that's not and that's just where a position for Wilson Fisk to be in

deference to Mr. Charles. So whatever Mr. Charles has over Fisk or what Fisk is hoping to use

Mr. Charles for is significant enough that he is in deference to him. But we all know how Wilson

likes doesn't like that position to be long term. Outside of Madam Gal, I've never seen this

version of Wilson Fisk play second fiddle to anyone. And even with Madam Gal, it was more of

we're on the same level. Like I respect you, but we're on the same level. Whereas this one,

it feels like Mr. Charles is up here and and Fisk is taking orders. Yeah. So we had to

late night and Karen is meeting her informant. Who is her informant all this time? Because we were

when she picked up the phone back at the beginning and saying, I'm going to call my person to

say any other and Karen said it was a was a female. I was like, oh, this where we're going to get

Jessica Jones coming back. Nope. Wasn't Jessica Jones. That's still coming. Who is her current

informant? Yeah. So she is is working with BB and they they have, you know, a heartfelt

talk and Karen talks about the death of Ben Yurick and she makes she says a line that she says

that Ben taught her even though we never heard this. So it's implied that this was an off

camera or out of story conversation about manipulating the manipulators. Like they're the easiest

people to manipulate and, you know, just trying to encourage her to keep on doing what she's doing.

So it leads more to what we saw in season one where BB acknowledged that she knows the truth behind

who killed her uncle and, you know, not everything she writes is under her name and she's playing

a long game. So we get to now see it more and full force with her actually walking side by

side with Karen. Yeah. So we go back to, you know, Kirsten and I'm just going to Kirsten. We go

back to DA the DA and he's calling Heather and he says that she's read he's read over her report

and based on her report says Jack doesn't appear to be a sociopath and that's going to make it

very difficult to get a conviction. So during this time she also sees music and so, you know,

she's anxious and she's kind of losing touch with reality even more and then says that she may

have entered the data wrong. She'll look at it again and resummit it and she's basically changing

the answers so that it appears like a sociopath so you can, she can get the DA off her back.

Therefore, Fisk off her back. She feels afraid. She doesn't necessarily trust this whole thing

but she also doesn't want to, you know, bite the mouth that's feeding her per se and end up dead.

But it's very telling. Yeah. She, you can tell that she's afraid. You can tell that, you know,

she doesn't want to do this but also, you know, she pours herself a drink or two to calm her,

her shakes in her PTSD before erasing what she had put and then, you know, putting another one

now. I will say she erased this but it's in pencil when she didn't erase it well. The mark is

is still semi-visible but I'm guessing that in this corrupt society, no one's really going to be

paying that much attention to that. Yeah. And so we head back to Matt and Karen back in their

apartment at Josie's, Matt's training Karen as when she asked, and she asked, does he miss being

that Murdoch and being with Foggy and he says sometimes liar all the time.

Matt mentions years of learning under his ruthless sensei, he's referring to stick.

And this is something that, you know, we've talked about before on the show,

in a sense of the necessity of having an alternate identity,

having that life outside of being the vigilante. Being the vigilante all the time,

and this is not daredevil in the comics, they're almost done as a bunch of times and it's never

really worked. Not at all. Like, we pointed out last week with Barnerman Brand new day trailer.

Like, Peter's looking real rough because there is no Peter Parker. I'm not talking about the spell.

I'm talking about like he has devoted any life is spider rain focused.

Matt doesn't have a life. And so he's really thrown himself into daredevil.

That's not a good combination. You know? Yeah. He's going down a darker, more violent path whenever

he sets aside being Matt and focuses straight up on being daredevil. And you know, we're starting

to see that as well in the opening fight scene. And I feel like we're going to see that more so

as we go through this. I mean, we saw the scene in the trailer where, you know, he takes a hit

and he turns around and he has that grimacing smile like he's just enjoying this. So yeah, he needs

Matt. He needs that version of him to stay grounded. Yeah. But we do see the task force eventually

heads to Cherry's apartment and take some ties him up. Starts to basically torturing him.

And he warns Matt before they break through.

Daredevil shows up. Kicks him serious but all around. He saves Cherry. But in the process,

he senses that Cherry's having a heart attack and getting ready to have it already as he

starts having a heart attack. Well, that distracts Matt to the point where the reinforcements that come

in are able to subdue him and also on mask him. He does look kind of just like really screwed up

in that moment. Like, like he fought and then just kind of let it happen. But at that moment,

they're that one of the agents realized, oh my god, it's Matt Murdock. He was put a bullet in his head.

A sniper rings out and takes down everyone in that room that was AVTF. And then a

knife comes hurtling through. Bounces off a few things. Landed right in front of

Matt with the words, you're welcome in a bullseye carved into it. So bullseye saved Matt

from not only getting killed, but from his secret getting outed. I don't know about you.

Yeah, I don't know. Is Cherry dead? Do we worry? I don't know. I'm assuming I think right now,

Cherry is still alive. But I think this whole fear of the heart attack thing is going to be a

recurrent thing. And I got the feeling that Cherry was having the heart attack and hearing the heart

beats slowly go away gave him the same sense that he had when he was listening to foggy die out on

the streets. And now he's he's watching one friend die. He's thinking about another one. He loses

all focus. And then just the man who was given hands has now taken him. And I thought it was a

cool moment when they unmask actually got the mask off. And was like, oh, it's Matt Murock. And

then you hear one bullet come in, which takes out two different guys straight through the eye.

Like this is some precision. Then another one just sit everyone just drop single bullet drops

to the head like clean precision shots. And then you hear the ricocheting sound before the

knife just lands in the floor right in front of Matt that says you're welcome. Yeah. Now there are

rumors that this is going to be a bulls house going to go through redemption story. I don't know

how I feel about that because I don't know what kind of pathway they're going to go down when

they say the word redemption. Now we know he is very upset and angry that he felt used by Vanessa

when she hired him to take down foggy, which is why he was trying to go after and kill them last

season when Matt took the bullet for Fisk. In the sense of bulls, I do an redemption. I could see

them teaming up being uneasy partners because the enemy of the enemy my friend in order them

to take down Fisk. I could also see that bull's eye or it's going to be poindexter is so insane

that he's going to be like, oh yeah, no, we're kindred spirits. We can work together and we're

like minded like I got this and just realize eventually that match never going to see his point of

view and then they'll have a eventual fight and you know, take him down, but I just don't think we're

going to get at the end of the season bull's eye being an anti hero. I don't know how that would

sit with me, but I'm going to have to see how this plays out, but I just don't feel this is like

your typical redemption story where he's going to go from villain to hero to let alone anti hero because

I don't think bull's eye ever ever in the history of comics been looked at anything more than

a sadistic sociopathic killer that you just don't trust. Yeah, I don't see a redemption story

if anything I see a we are walking a similar path to bring this guy down, but it's it's not going

to be the redemption. I think it will be closer to the scene with Matt and Frank last season where

it was like don't kill don't kill trying to constantly stop him from killing, but it's going to be

that magnified like because this this guy has has no moral compass whereas Frank is like I want to

kill these guys, but you know, I will slow up a little bit while this guy's like, nah, the minute

you look the other direction, I'm killing somebody. Yeah, so we'll just have to see where it is and

we're going to get an interaction with them next week, but yeah, so next week it'll be two episodes,

so second episode two and episode three, so we'll see if those that have seen the full season,

so a friend of mine that has seen everything with Daredevil and still sings its praises that we're

in for a real treat, but we will see how releasing episode two and three line up with each other

because it's not just, you know, it there's got to be a reason that the two tie in together that

they're better to be seen together versus waiting week to week. Yeah, so, but all right, before we get

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21 plus sponsored by chumpacicino. And we are back. All right, so we got two stories. One is

daredevil related, but we're going to say the truth to the ends because in my opinion, this was

file this under I did not see this coming at all despite all the positive roots despite

our reviews despite everyone saying we really enjoyed this, but you know, based on how Disney dropped

it based on how it did some promotion of it, but not to the extent of this. But I did not meet one

person who saw this show and said, you know what? That was awful. No, I just didn't see that happen.

I said when it came to Wonderman, I was not looking forward to it. I was not taking the point

of like who asked for this because I'd really try not to do something like that. But I was just not

high up in it and the way they were going to dump the show. I was like, yep, it's another one,

another show minority led show where they're going to dump it and then forget about it. Well,

surprise miracles never cease to exist. Wonderman has been renewed for season two with Yaya Abdul

Matin the second, Ben Kingsley slated to return. And when I talk about promotion, we also got the

Twitter account, the official Marvel Twitter account posting two scripts one with one with Yaya on

it and one of the one with Ben Kingsley's name on it. That is very impressive. It's not just from

straight. This is official from Marvel Studios. This is coming from I believe the Hollywood

Reporter reporting this saying Marvel television Wonderman perhaps the least comic book movie coded

of the sooner or factory shows has been renewed for a second season. And the key creative talent

are all set to return. Also returning is co-creator Destin Daniel Cretten. The filmmaker previously

worked on Marvel Chung Chi in Legend of Ten Rings and is directing July Spider-Man Brand New Day

Andrew Guest and Andrew Guest as well. Cretten is coming back as director and executive producer

while Guest is reprising his role as showrunner and executive producer.

They're skewing superhero super heroics and building destroying affairs. Wonderman focused on

the struggling actor Simon Williams who met up with Trevor Slattery. And in the show essentially

the buddy they call the buddy Hollywood rock premiered on Disney Plus in January to exceptional

reviews. He currently sits at 91% critic score on Rotten Tomatoes and 87% of audience score. So

very high. I think one of the highest rated shows for the MCU Disney Plus era. In its first week

Wonderman wrapped up 618 million minutes of watch time. Gordon Nielsen and landed in the metric

of the tracking the services top 10 streaming series. So they're looking to capitalize on the

positive response to this. They did not give a date of when they're looking to go into production.

I don't know where their script things are. They must have some sort of either treatment or script

to start being green-led. This is rare to get a second season in the MCU on Disney Plus. Only two

other live action shows have seen a follow up including Loki which remains the Marvel's top show

and Daredevil born again. So everyone else wanted to vision the first show also won an Emmy

as part of its informal trilogy which includes Agatha and Vision Quest but these are proper

sequels. I'm telling you David again this did not enter into my this is ever happening let alone

two months two months after it premiered. We got we get a season two as it usually like it'll be

like six months maybe within a year you might get it but we've just assumed the Disney Plus

era that you just the second season is just aren't it aren't in their bag and of all the shows

get a second season wonder man. I am so happy for this casting crew like wow good for them.

I am ecstatic. I am ecstatic for multiple reasons. Number one it's it was a great show. I loved it.

It was fun. It's great. It was different. That that's number one. The show itself. It had heart.

Yes. Number two. I like Andrew Guest. Brooklyn 9.9 is one of my favorite comedic shows community

is top up there with how they handled an ensemble cast so having him in a director spot knowing that

all of these moving pieces will be great. That's number two. I'm excited for that. Number three

and my biggest is unfortunately minority led projects have not received in my opinion fair treatment

when it comes to their rollout their marketing and everything else compared to some other titles.

So to see one that really didn't have that much marketing to it they kind of ramped up the

week of but leading into it did not have that much marketing got the we're just going to drop a

treatment and everything else to see it surpass all these expectations and be the one that that

gets the greenlit like Loki was a known name people came in loving Tom Hiddleston loving that

character wanting to see more this was we knew it we knew at the end of that that I was that was

the that was the post credits is the season two so we knew like we didn't have to wait anything

that was that was surprise like immediately greenlit season two. Yeah so to have this

reached that pinnacle just it it it feels my minority nerd blurred heart with joy.

Yeah and I'm with you on that last point I I agree with you fully on this that

Disney and the MCU have not given proper due course with minority led shows and I'm so happy

that this this one has gotten it up all the ones that we hoped and said why are we getting this

why are we getting more this this is the one that finally gets it I mean again we said a good

weeks ago like we're still waiting on the 10 rings returning in their own show like how long

ago did we hear about like there was going to be a whole 10 ring show with the follow up with

shungji sister like that that I don't even know if that's still a thing so again I said it

with you this show had so much heart I was so happy and I said to our friend of the show

Phil that when he shared the news with me I'd seen it earlier but I read her and I'll continue

saying it I was so happy to eat my words on this show absolutely so happy because I don't I wasn't

rooting for the show to fail why would I why would I do that like I can say and be completely

comfortable with saying like I wasn't looking forward to it because it just wasn't striking me

initially added especially with what they were doing I see they're just going to dump it the

quality is not going to be there and it's going to further damage your brand but I was so happy to

be wrong I'm so happy to get more of this thing again when people say do I have to watch more

you don't have to watch anything you don't have to watch anything you can choose what

you got but if you want something that you just want to break from the superhero genre but just

have a little taste of it and just kind of be kind of tongue in cheek with two characters one

as that somehow has continued to have a life in the MCU and Trevor slattery and a character that

you don't need to know anything about that barely most people outside of really hardcore geeks know

a lot about wonder man like this is going to be interesting because now we've gone past the origin

and he's accepted his role as in his power set what is going to happen next for wonder man I'm

excited just to see what's next because I don't know wonder man is a blind spot for me I know I know

enough to be dangerous with it but I don't need it to be complicated I just want to continue seeing

these two characters this buddy cop they had such great chemistry I'm so happy to do it this cat

again this casting crew congratulations that you've got two fans right here that cannot wait to see

what adventures bestow diamond and Trevor next yeah I'm I can't say how much I'm just I'm excited

for this they and the way that they took this season you know you used the character of wonder man

but you you did it so different than anything we've read in the comics before so they can go

anywhere with this next season I also think it is just it's fun the fact that Ben Kingsley's character

Trevor went from oh my god how could you do this to the Mandarin who's this bumbling idiot to

oh my god we love this bumbling idiot and it's just a matter of like you can have the bumbling

idiot a character but it only goes so far before it becomes like oh god this guy's annoying

yeah he had a role he had a character arc in this um so much heart especially at the end of

the series just so much heart yeah and Bearslayer says that I got my right there was he wasn't

expecting wonder man to be so good but love the chemistry between the two actors so all we know

it's real as we said the official marvel entertainment account tweeted it out as well so you know

it actually is not just a scoop or madness this actually is a thing um so no no date were or

anything like that so we're just going to wait and see I'm guessing at least a year plus before

we see them back but I'm sure they're fast tracking this to try to capitalize on it I do not

foresee us I'd be very surprised if we get this before secret wars I want them to do well by this

I want to do but I I'm having a hard time seeing them get this into production and it risk ruining

what that lightning in a bottle that they have right now I want them to do well by I want to

do well by the character but again I understand that they want to capitalize on but please don't

screw this up but I think with our key players uh destined still at the helm shepherding this along

with his partner there our showrunner I think we're in good hands but don't screw this up Marvel please

do well by this um all right and then the last one quick hit this kind of came out with we know

wasn't the GUH at we were saying do we know as Tuesday's mornings come in and it was like do we

know how many episodes we're getting tonight because this is this is kind of like we usually

here at least a day or two before but we didn't come down until the day of we we found out officially

we were going to be just getting one episode of Daredevil born again season two on Tuesday and then

following me two episodes because there was a reason for that things they started dropping news

about the Punisher Special Presentation um there's no other source for this it kind of came out

through Marvel and traded it's basically picked it up so um the title of the special presentation

is Punisher one last kill it officially releases May 12 on Disney Plus this is a week after the season

finale of born again season two so that is why we are getting two episodes next week because if they

were to do episode week by week we would get the season finale on the same day that Punisher one

last kill was going to do that stupid they don't need to be doing that they don't need to be torpedoing

him dividing up the the numbers so the let born again finish out give it that give it its own time

and then give uh one last one last kill it's it's point so uh the synopsis get ready for this David

is going to knock your socks off the synopsis ready as Frank Castle searched for meaning beyond

revenge an unexpected force pulls him back into the fight all right that's every punisher story

known to man at this point so there's not a lot to chew on with that so um we do know that Don

Burns all had it has co-wrote the special alongside uh Ronaldo Marcus Green who also directed uh before

we kind of break down uh some of the rumors that we know that this is filmed in the can here is the

official first poster for the Punisher one last kill Frank looking like Frank does and you see

off to the side someone's done a mock-up of the pit next to it um so there's that so

what we do know of possibly of what we've seen on footage is that some if you don't want to hear

about anything you know we'll talk about it for like 10 15 seconds and then we'll kind of be

coded about it uh three two one spoilers uh leaked images show that castle is standing across from

a dark-haired woman in a wheelchair we have talked about this run on this show that strikes me

as someone by the character name of ma newchi a ma mafia boss that has has some very interesting

things to do with Frank which I if this is the case I'm so excited for because Garthiness is run

on the Punisher the Marvel Knights version of the Punisher man I I loved everything about that

and I mean I love the characters that were in there you know the new cheer crime family um that's

our first introduction of um like so many great characters with that and yes uh we get the

Russian in that story um so like yeah I I like that um so and they're if depending on how close

they they go with it we could be getting another central park shootout yeah um yeah they didn't want

to give away too much with the snobs this it's like every other Punisher saying it's just like

man I hope it's not another one where he found it someone else that's decided to like tie

to his family's death and he goes after him um I'm makes I'm excited for it just because you know

again John Bertha loves his character has very very protective of the character I like that he's

co-written it um so it's gonna be right at our very right at our from what we understand um because

when we get to Spider-Man brand new day it's like a PG 13 version which again I'm fine with a PG 13

version of the Punisher that's fine I don't think he's gonna be like oh one last kill and then he's

he's just gonna be like shooting up you know high powered beam bags and and nerfing the character

now I don't think it's that it's just for just not gonna see as more more uh graphic kills um

but I was trying to explain it to a friend of mine who is also an avid wrestling fan so back

in a brown 2012 2013 WWE started running this Saturday show that was very much geared for kids

and what they would do is any move that really

accentuated neck movements they would cut away wide shot like the person would go to hit the

move and you would never see the impact because they would cut just a crowd reaction or something

like that so the way I explain to him like that's probably what you're gonna see

the moves will still be there the character will still be there but the impact will be lessened

because they will find camera trickery to just hide that part that they don't want the impressionable

to see you know because they also ask they're like well you know if it's PG 13 they can still use

one f-bomb like they're they're not it's Spider-Man they want to present to everyone they're they're

not gonna use that here um but I just for see him still being frank but them just using

editing and camera tricks to lessen the impact of him being full frank yeah I mean we still

we're in the symbol everything like that um what I am I'm kind of tired of at least in the Disney

Plus era with Punisher is that all right we go from season one to season two all right he's on his

own he does he's lost again and saying oh it gets called back again then we get to born again

then we get to born against season one and what's going on with Frank he's lost he doesn't know what

to do is underground oh he gets called back in action here we go again and now we get to we assume

that he's escaped the you know the the kingpins capturing of him it's somehow he's lost there's

no to do oh one last kill this trope needs to die for a bit there there's more to deal with Punisher

than just every time we get a new arc oh he's on his own it's like stop like literally there are

so many more collections than just this I'm still waiting for volume two hopefully we get that

you know we have the Jason Aaron run with this we have continue on with NS run with with Steve Dylan

on it we've got Rick Remenders run with Frank and Castle yes I'm I actually like that run because

it's so freaking weird and out there that yes Frank and Castle all the way because that was that

was a fun that was fun but there's so much more you can do than just the simple thing that's why

Punisher to me is not someone I look up to as a character it's it's a study of someone that

knows exactly who they are and has actively told people know especially the cops we know

their favorite scene like no you don't want to be like me I don't want you to be like me you do

what's right like I he I not capped in America like I don't see that thing you know and I would

love to see him as the whole war machine arc that's a cool that's another cool storyline too but

he's very self-aware he knows what he knows and he does what he does but it is more than just a I'm

gonna kill everything that's bad and stop me that that's the wrong understanding of the character

we're not I'm not trying to celebrate the character but there's more to the Punisher character

as a fictional character that there's more depth as a character than just running gun it you know

that's that's why he has existed so long because if all he was with that character that

they wouldn't have volumes that are volumes that are volumes of this character you know

yeah he he is a lot more nuanced than the guy who just can't stop being a killer vigilante

yeah and again it we I will say it and I'm not alone in this that John Bernthal

is my is my favorite Punisher version my next one hummus chain you know it absolutely I I have

no regrets of saying that and I'm if you say I'm crazy I say that's fine it's just my opinion but

there's not a lot of versions of it but John Bernthal and bodysack character mean when I read

Punisher no matter what era of it I hear John Bernthal and I see John Bernthal

and and what I read and what I hear because he has done it and he deserves to be very protective of

this character so I'm excited May 12 again eight straight weeks of content we got coming at you

and it what a what a great way to kind of end our our daredevil kind of going into we got may

got break we don't know what we we really don't know what else is coming out Disney plus wise after

um you know the Punisher special because we do know that we're X-Men 97 is scheduled to release

some time season two schedule some time this year friendly neighbor Spider-Man season two scheduled

to release some time this year vision quest is scheduled to be sometime this year so we have

three other Disney plus shows that are hanging out there um yeah so we'll we'll just have to see

how they kind of spread those out I'm super excited um and to quickly touch back on what you just

said I'm right there with you on John Bernthal followed by Thomas Jane I absolutely I still enjoy

the Thomas Jane Punisher movie as can't be as John Travolta can be in that and if you want

another look at uh Thomas Jane then go on youtube and look up the Punisher dirty laundry it was a

short film that was made with him reprising the character and it's it's a lot more gritty but it

it's it's so good but yeah he was a great version but the John Bernthal he just

embodies it he wants to embody it and he wants to give that character everything that he can

and I think he is absolutely killing it in that role yep so but all right so two decent new stories

a whole left breakdown man this is like this is back to our like hey days of like you know

marble we kept on feeding us well so uh but uh yes that's all the news it fit to uh talk about

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and we are back so two questions coming out of this week uh what do we got?

yeah so first up is from anthony dorsi it says why is why is daredevil the best marvel character

and he he answered for himself and said well full disclosure i i responded to him saying

well i i i had a subjective so i put it to you to say for you need to answer first and then

david and i will will answer so what did he how why did he say this? so his reply is that he is a

pure good but deeply flawed hero and the peak of get knocked down but always get back up type

character and the incorporation of catholicism into his character really set some apart from a

lot of other superheroes that aren't really religious all right so do you agree you know i'm

going to take this as do you agree a disagree at that one because i'm not going to force you to say

if you you know if you honestly do believe daredevil is the best character i am not going to stop you

there's nothing wrong with that it is a very subjective take at that point do you david do you

feel that daredevil is the best marvel character i do i feel that he's a great marvel character but

know where near the best and i have my reasons all right go for it go go uh never one uh as an

in yorsey states he's a pure good but deeply flawed hero he's a manhore he's a straight up

uses and abuses women left and right and sometimes uses his faith as a tool in order to

mask the things that he has done to people against people and how he has used people you know he

will play the catholic guilt card really really quickly um do i think that he has a strong moral compass

absolutely do i think that he will do whatever it takes for his city forehouse kitchen

absolutely but i also think that he he makes some decisions that are just like

what the hell are you doing and who is this in service of other than you and sometimes your own ego

yeah i i will say as i've always said you know my noana currently shows man without fear daredevil is

one of my favorite characters there's a difference in favorite in who i consider the best but again

both of them are subjective because of what you enjoy like i was literally having a conversation

today with um jp from panel bond comics is about fantastic four and i've never made illusion that

fantastic four i have nothing against them they're just not my my team i stay enough up to date on them

i'm actually reading the new series right now is actually pretty pretty good and decent but it's

not a a series that i gravitate towards or a team i gravitate towards but daredevil is one of my

favorite characters um i in my subjective opinion i don't think that they're the best in what

represents kind of a representative of marble comics um all the heroes are flawed every hero's

flawed in this there there's no and i and i'm fine with the hero group I don't want a perfect hero

that's not the i can even superman on this superman is deeply flawed too um if i were to pick a

character who i consider the best in the embodiment of the the marble universe as it were

captain america um

and it's more the complexities of what that character has had to evolve to i'd say the character

i'm saying captain america as a character

steve, sam, bucky the idea of that character is what i consider to be one of the best characters

in it for marble and how much that character has had to evolve and grow in the mantle being passed

down in different ways that that they hold that mantle and carry that mantle is very impressive

again that is my subjective opinion um but i think uh because again i have to separate

favor from what he gets to the best but i think the best one is the complexity is of who

captain america is throughout the years represents the times that we are and i'm not saying

other characters don't do that but i think captain america does that um one in one of the ones that

have stood the true test of time over and over and over again there is no marvellous universe without

captain america i i i could definitely see and appreciate that argument and that that one is

definitely a a harder one to argue against yeah and i i'm not trying to and again

anthony i'm not saying you're wrong again as i as i tongue in cheek said i was subjective

you're not wrong this like david you're not wrong to to call out um who you chose but

you know that that's what makes these debates fun we all respect each other's opinion and it's not

about i'm right you're wrong it's about like oh i can see you but i can see all our point of

use at that point that's the one thing about fandom when it's not toxic we respect each other's

view and can say like yeah i kind of see that you know i get your point but here's here's why i

think what i think so yeah i mean and again you can have your favorite characters for whatever

reason that they're your favorite characters my favorite marvell and my favorite dc characters

are both horrible human beings but i love them as characters yeah horrible who's being at this

point i love overeen but i love punisher but it's horrible people horrible i don't know if i want

to hang out with them i am i i'm admittedly i'm anyone who's listed the show for wild noses i'm a huge

fan of cyclops but he is a horrible human being on the dc side my favorite hero is the green land

turn how jordan but he has a horrible human being and i'm not just talking about the parallax run

i mean he's made some questionable decisions including somebody that he dated that he really

should not have like they're that bad man is nuts that there are you know but they can be your

favorite character for the reasons that they are your favorite character i gravitate hugely

towards spider-man but i also understand that he is also deeply flawed and sometimes makes some

irrational decisions and sometimes to be fair and i use spider-man assembly bring it up another

conversation i had was sometimes you love characters but like sometimes run after run after run

is just in your humble opinion my humble opinion has not been good and has not given you the love of

the character that you used to have for me that's spider-man right now yeah i have not had it's been

a while since spider-man has has really resonated with me the way that i wish i continue to go to

the stories i continue to try and read but it has not resonated with me and again if you love the

recent runs was that and and jokelly returning into it and even before that expensive great i

i liked a lot of different aspects and expensive from but it was in my opinion it was

touching go the last time i really enjoyed spider-man was you know i did enjoy a lot of parts of

brand new day despite what how it came about the dance lot run was i have to point something out

dance lots run was probably the last time i really enjoyed spider-man through and through

um just hat in the most in the most consistent way runs can do that and saying like yeah it's

it's kind of heard it but it doesn't mean like i can't go back and remember those things that

got them all behind me i've got marvel and limited um but that can also affect how you view that's

why um but yeah i didn't think we'd spend that long time together but thank you for that thank you

for that uh reason that question there Anthony so i know we got one more this one came in like it

just just at the uh uh you know about 30 40 minutes before we went live yeah uh from jimstroggs

the a v t f the anti-vigilante task force doubling down on the punisher logo only means that frank will

go full if not rage filled punisher could that be for the special um yeah i mean they they've been

chilly cocks and others have said that you know uh funisher is not going to be in this season

and maybe a reference or two at that point you know we did see footage of of mat going through

the the cages and things like that but obviously frank's probably not going to be there

but yeah yeah i could see frank going rage full at that point in doing it what do you think

i i definitely could see that i did notice that the new style of the task force best

looked very much not just having the punisher logo up in the corner but just the style of the

vest look like the skull but just all black and i could very much see him having taken offense to

this and really raging out i mean again this special is written uh partially by john brinthal

he knows how the creators and writers of the punisher feel about uh police and other people co-opting

the logo and things like that so i i feel like that is definitely something that they could work in

there yeah bear in the chat saying uh thank for the chat truly enjoy reading along with you guys

and the updates um and he also timed in about the daredevil discussion saying i have to say

i was wrong about daredevil growing up i was down on him uh what's so good about a blind guy who has

radar read the first read first omni last year and immediately ate those words yeah again

sometimes you just have to give it and hit the right run so and sometimes you have bad runs and

just add them see the fight and then you find that key run says like yep i get it now so again

creative chains matter they can get they can make it make it make a character to thrive and

outright kill a character so yeah but all right thank you all for the question so let's head into

factor fiction uh so mr. hind so we're gonna have to let you uh kind of answer these well so

when spider-man brand new day come out daredevil will join spider-man to fight the hand in the

scene from the trailer and shot so we'll daredevil and so 67% fact 33% said fiction

i am of a fact on that one um i was over analyzing that scene from the moment i saw that trailer

looking at people's line of sight and everything else i'm like all right this is giving me flashbacks

to no way home with the missing set pieces so i i definitely was like there's gonna be

someone else there and if if you're fighting the hand then i mean you got to have some some

daredevil action in there part of me wants it nothing to be there and to see like the end and say

oh why'd you do this does um number two captain america will appear in season two of your

friendly neighborhood spider-man 71% said fact 29% of fiction would say you david

i went back and forth when i when i first heard this and then when the poll actually went off i

have gone back and forth i'm going to say fact that that he will be there um he was shown in picture

form uh in season one i think that we will get a cameo in season two allah how we got daredevil

in a cameo in season one yeah and last one uh spider-man brand new day will make at least a billion

dollars at the box office this is you know we get a lot of back and forth this one not so close uh 96%

said fact four presented fiction uh again when when i first heard it i was like i in today's day

and age it's really hard to break a billion and then i saw how well the trailer didn't i go

they could break a billion so i i'm going to go fact on this

yeah it's um you know i had my my predictions this year saying only one is going to have a billion

dollars you know i didn't say what i didn't say which one i wasn't going to go that like really

time myself up i said i said one just because of the age we're living in

yeah based on like how much that is i mean again i'd love it if that's too that'd be knife

having two two big hits for marvel at that point but um spider-man it could it could outshine uh

doomsday especially with both um doon and doomsday still released on the same day i don't think either

one of them are leaving i think we're we're really going to have this despite uh my surprise that

that's going to be a thing that could hurt it it could very much hurt it so obviously i think the

the thing with spider-man as opposed to doomsday if spider-man is in my opinion a more universally

loved character and franchise that also doesn't feed into the marvel fatigue thought process when

i see something like doomsday a lot of general audience like i will catch that on disney plus i'm

marvel fatigued out with these big epic set pieces and all this other thing but spider-man it's like

and i know that guy i love that guy we love Tom Holland yeah i'll go see that when that's going to be

fun as opposed to the big spectacle that is an Avengers movie yeah so but all right so uh your

factor fictions all right uh factor fiction number one uh baby is the one behind the anti-fisk

videos in daredevil boranian now sorry for taking your team on that one for him i'm just going to

go ahead and and put it out there i'm claiming it now she is the one yeah i'm saying that it's her

finding a way to kind of subvert it but yeah i'm a fact on that all right yeah i i i i i i feel like

that this is she's playing both sides i mean how else did she get such clear footage of

the um the poster in the background that they were trying to hide with the balloons like

unless you were there or had access to the back end tapes like how else do you get this

unless baby is playing both sides yeah all right number two

clear will return as the night nurse um Karen mentioned are you going to go to metroid general

to get patched up and that that gave me me callbacks to you know i our our favorite hero helper

yeah um heart wants it love Rosario Dawson but i think that's a side character

i don't think it's going to be returning or it's going to be recast but i don't see them

pining for a night nurse right now i've gone back and forth on if she will be seen again or just

mentioned i but i want to at least have a a cameo moment with her like doesn't have to be full

on in the season recurring character like she has been in previous marvel properties but just

having that that bring back i think would be cool all right your last one my last one is a bit

of low hanging fruit thanks to spider man but king pin will no longer be marred by the end of this

season that is low hanging fruit i think i think i think that i mean not opposed to it i've done it

before too and you're trying to find something at this point yeah i i don't think that uh

mr mayor fish is long for the world of all we do know and they were upfront about this at the

mayor fist storyline will come to an end uh we'll we'll conclude at the end of the season they

didn't say what to mean by that is that their the storyline of it will conclude will he be mayor

will be indicted will he be killed i don't know we'll see but yeah i agree it's he he is not

being the mayor anymore yeah i i i feel like uh he will he'll be around in some capacity but

yeah the the mayor ship is out yep so all right we i will put those out there on sunday afternoon

your voices be heard and let us go back to compa club age of ultra on book three um what do you

think about this issue i thought that um it it was more of a storyline advancement issue like not

a lot of action but its ending was very and i remember thinking at the time like it it caught

me off guard what the ending to this issue was and maybe go okay well there wasn't much in the issue

itself but man this ending has me really excited for the next one yeah i mean basically what it comes

down to i don't think we're gonna spend too much time tonight breaking it down um just because

there's it's a lot a lot of talk a lot of exposition of the heroes trying to um to

thought and realize that hey maybe we can give something to ultra on to not necessarily a

prediction but to get close and maybe take him out um you know because Peter had said like what

owl was trying to do and auction him off to to ultra on to for protection um and what it comes

down to is uh luke cage and um shehulk kind of saying okay well it's gonna be one of us we're strong

this at the other and ends up because you see in the beginning um they're out there and they're

bickering like who's gonna be the person will end up being luke knocking out shehulk and using her

and as they come forward um they're walking through but we get an interesting flash uh to

somewhere else with redhulk taskmasker and black panther what's going on there

yeah they um they're in a moment of trying to locate and isolate one of the ultra on bots um

and so this is not the three-some team up that you would expect working together um

um and i i did think it was funny with a little bit of their bickering um i have to go back and

look on the exact page but uh taskmaster like refuses to call redhulk redhulk so he just gives him

a random generic name and black panther's just sitting there like i i'm just with you guys because

the world is ended like i'm i'm just here but yeah they they are trying to isolate and they

they think that they've got it they jumped down they ripped the head off of one and they're like

yes sweet we've got a piece of this ultron that we can try and you know figure out what's going on

and then after that they are surrounded by more ultron bots and just get everyone is taking out redhulk

taking out black panther ends up getting uh taken out by an explosion and some marble falls on him and

we see taskmaster running away with the ultron head so we'll see where their storyline advances but

yet that was a a three-some that i was not expecting to be that team up yeah and so we end it with

ultron escorting Luke Cage uh carrying shehulk to meet the i guess the maker at that point

and he as he walked that's not ultron and he said that's not ultron Luke Cage what do you have

offer it is a it is vision like half a vision like the upper torso a vision at that point so

the an ultron was based on of the idea vision it's vision's child that's a word but

yeah we'll have to see exactly kind of how that goes down on next weekend this wasn't okay

this was so so much for me it was like just like a repeat recontinuation of issue two

but didn't didn't really move it and push it along as much as i would like to but i do know

hopefully it starts picking up soon so bit so we will um do look at issue four next week so

big chunky episode for you all this week extra long with news and breakdown so

um i i i'll say this and let's something major news-wise uh breaks next week we're we're pretty much

with two episodes of Daredevil that's probably what we're just going to be uh the sheds going to

mainly about we'll still do listener requests in factor fictions and comic club but um if news

doesn't rise to um major stuff at that point it will uh we'll table it for a week where we're just

the following weeks where we have just one episode breakdown because it's a lot it's a lot

yeah uh two full episodes plus a bunch of news and then everything else it it it does add up

yeah so uh but hope you all enjoyed it and uh david tell people i think it can follow you

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excel for your true believers all right david post credit discussion what you got

all right so over home the good twitter slash x this week uh erick davis stated in a tweet

i get a feeling this marvel stretch we're about to start today daredevil born again season two

into punisher into spiderman brand new day into a venture stumes day might be the best stretch of

mc we've seen in a minute maybe since 2016 2017 civil war through ragnarok all right so list

out all those shows so we kind of have the full understanding of what that was all right so let me

go back to don't pre pre-disney plus era so we don't have mc you shows this is just rate movies

yeah

should i have this up and of course now once this there we go

all right so we're going civil war through ragnarok

so we had a civil war we had black panther we had spiderman homecoming

doctor strange again i'm not counting the the Netflix run of shows that were going on at this

time but if because at the time we thought they were separate so i'm not counting them right now

but yeah so we had like said civil war black panther spiderman homecoming doctor strange

and Thor ragnarok yeah i mean that's a heck of a i've definitely a lineup of what it was all

leading towards and building towards two different arrows of which case you know you know the

era of basically you know hyperbolic hyper hyperbolic side marvel could do real wrong in that

arrow you know oh and guardians of the galaxy volume two was in in that span i forgot about that

yeah so yeah so yeah so and like i said an era where marvel could do no wrong to an era

right now where everyone's questioning marvel and and it's not where it used to be in the sense of

consistency um yeah i i could see it's a comparison for the sense of potential in quality and what

it is um i think i think it's a fair comparison uh to say that yeah it could be it could be the

along the same lines i don't know it's hard for me to say just because this is kind of like

as i said the potential to be one of the best stretches um but it's hard for me to say for sure

because they have it so be like was it that could be a good question like for the end of the year

when we get to that point revisiting this question is saying which one truly lived up to it

that point not then when we see them all so this is this is like i'll wait and see not wrong to say

what um what wrong Eric they said but this is one i would like to revisit um after we see doom

staying kind of take take it all and say is this statement still accurate yeah and what do you

that's that's where i'm sitting right now is it on paper it sounds like yes this is going to be

the best stretch but with all of this that's been stated we've only got one episode of Daredevil

so far we still have seven more to go we still need to see how the Punisher special

actually flows we still need to see what happens with Spider-Man brand new day and then going

into avenger stuims day does it have the possibility absolutely am i pumped for what's about to come

you know again all of this is happening this year like this isn't over the stretch of two years

this is this year that we're getting this i i am i'm super excited for that possibility

but we haven't seen anything yet so i can't say with a hundred percent certainty that this is about

to be the best stretch that we've seen in a very long time yeah so we'll have to see this is one

that we're going to have to remember to revisit in December but yeah this is interesting statement

has potential being right we'll just have to see can everything link in marvel can marvel's marvel's

back you know but yeah there there is a lot more less questioning of the possibility of quality

of looking at not just movies but the side does he plus they yeah so we'll have to wait and see

but we will see you all next week breaking down episodes two and three of Daredevil born

again season two have a great weekend everyone have a great upcoming week we will catch you later bye bye

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