Dave Asprey Explains Why Fear Ages You Faster Than Time | DSH #1809

When I'm doing pattern matching, it's a cognitive thing. When I'm doing energy work, it's pre-cognitive.

The most powerful things I've ever written was when I stopped thinking and I started knowing.

Was that channeling you think or what do you think was going on with it?

Channeling is usually when you are connecting to another entity.

In your channeling and entity. I'm not channeling. I'm connecting to probably the collective consciousness.

I don't know.

But there's a skill I learned this with neurofeedback. Where you just stop, it's actually surrender.

Okay guys, Dave asked me back on the show. You got the nicotine powder?

I don't really like the pouches because of the micropostics. I've got a spray.

Oh, you got a spray now.

The first time you came on, you brought some nicotine.

You threw it because you got it in the US.

You want to try some? Yeah, I'll try it. Don't breathe in. It's minty.

So just put it under your tongue. Yeah.

It is minty. Wow.

Yeah, nicotine. This one hits you pretty fast.

It's crazy to see all nicotine. It's changed over time. How people view it.

Yeah, I just met with the leadership team at Philip Morris last week in Paris.

And they've taken about 70% of smoking out of the world.

Like the two biggest smoking countries now are mostly not smoking anymore because

there's hardly ways to use tobacco and not get all the cancer and stuff.

Holy crap. It's kind of cool. We're seeing a shift away from smoking because smoking is bad for you.

But nicotine, at least at the right dose, is unquestionably a longevity drug.

Yeah. Are you taking it every day?

Oh, yeah. I've been on it since about 2008 when the first research came out.

That's impressive. It's at very low doses, but it's neuroprotective.

It mimics exercise. There's a reason that you go down to Brazil and Argentina and

they're smoking a lot and they're eating everything and they're not fat.

nicotine does that. That's impressive. Yeah, it's cool.

You're also about this make America hard again movement. I want to learn more about that.

I'm all over that.

We have a fertility problem. In fact, that was my very first book because

the mother of my children was infertile when we managed. She's a medical doctor.

We read a book called The Better Baby Book about what do you do before

and during pregnancy to have smarter, healthier, stronger kids without autism.

I think it was a bit ahead of its time. There's a new book out

called The Preconception Revolution by Dr. Anne Chippy.

We need this because when I was 30,

I hope we don't get pregnant. Now, we hope we can.

The ability is just a terrible problem and it comes down to

the same things we use for longevity and for biohacking are the same things you need for fertility.

In fact, even my big diet book, The Bull of Your Diet, came out of the research on fertility.

If you're fertile when you're supposed to be, that's a sign that you're aging properly.

Yeah. There's a sperm racing leak now. Did you know that?

I don't know if I want to sign up for that. I was just going to say you should

sign up and prove your sperm quality there. It was funny.

It was also a massive proponent of testosterone therapy.

Really? Yeah. I've been on testosterone since I was 26 years old.

Would you say that's kind of young though for doing that?

If your labs show you have less testosterone than your mom, which mine did,

then it was absolutely medically a good idea and it changed my life.

I think everyone in their 20s should get their sex hormones tested.

If you're healthy, now you know the right level for you.

If you've been 100 to feel good, and other people need 600, so the range is so big.

If you just don't know, because you wait till you lose it, then you just have to shoot in the dark until you just feel good.

If, like me, I was 300 pounds in my mid 20s,

then you're going to have more estrogen, less testosterone, and the lifestyle stuff didn't fix it.

What do you do when you go on testosterone?

There's a lot of fear. People say, once you're on it, you have to go on it for life.

It's complete nonsense. I did stop it for three years.

And I got my levels up naturally, but not up as much as I wanted.

And people say, oh, you know, your balls will shrink and they'll never grow back.

Complete nonsense.

Your balls will shrink?

Oh, they do shrink.

But you can stop that if you want to.

But they grow back.

That's how it works.

Balls grow back?

Yeah, absolutely.

Wow.

I mean, if they can shrink, they can grow.

Okay.

They're just like a muscle.

You had to stretch them out.

That would be the scrotum, that's different.

Oh, you mean the actual ball of balls?

Yeah, so if you go on testosterone and you don't take things that raise to other ones,

LH and FSH, then the balls like we don't have any work to do.

So they shrink.

But balls are not particularly useful in terms of, you know, they're not that attractive.

Let's put it that way.

Yeah.

And I have a study for you on that.

They took photos of hundreds of scrotums and showed them to a bunch of women

and had them rate the scrotums on attractiveness from one to 10.

And no scrotum ever scored over five.

So guys, you can just chill.

The scrotum is not an area of recreational interest.

Yeah.

That's a good study.

Yeah.

Well said.

What a great study, huh?

Yeah.

Well, most girls don't even find penis as attractive, apparently.

You send a dick pick and they don't like that.

You might not be meeting all right, girls.

Really?

Well, you got the stem cells in yours.

So you're a little bit there, you know.

It's kind of funny to make America hard again.

If you're not waking up with a kicker, you're going to be like,

you're not waking up with a kickstand.

There's something wrong.

And it could be one of several things.

It could be too much cortisol.

It's probably a blood pressure thing.

Or it's a testosterone thing or a nitric oxide thing.

And these are all hackable.

And it's one thing.

If that happens in your mid-20s, like, what is going on?

And I had that happening in my mid-20s.

I didn't mention it.

It could be porn induced.

There's a lot of people with issues like that.

For me, it was testosterone and nitric oxide.

But once you know, these are numbers.

You lab tests are cheap and widely available.

And really even with chat GBT, you could solve this problem.

It's not a big deal.

It was a big deal 10 years ago.

You using a lot of AI these days?

I use AI and upgrade labs.

Which is my AI longevity franchise company.

Go to onionupgradelabs.com.

If you want to be a partner with me.

Come to Vegas, man.

Yeah.

Oh, we'll probably get a franchise here.

Oh, yeah.

In fact, I think we're talking to somebody.

Nice.

And so using AI there with everything I've ever said and written

and taught, along with a bunch of other data,

with medical lab data, and a bunch of performance data,

just tell you, okay, if this is your goal

and this is where you are now, fastest path.

And you come in and do this stuff.

I was just telling you what to do.

You still doing the full 10-minute workouts for your body?

I do 20 minutes of exercise per week right now.

20 per week.

Because that was our most follow-up clip.

I don't know if you saw that before.

Really?

People are hating all these gymbroids.

Dude, it's hilarious.

I'm like, I think it's working.

And in fact, I went on diary of a CEO.

That's a good show.

And he actually spiked the episode.

Wait, what?

Yeah, he said, I don't believe you.

Do you want to ask my assistant and my girlfriend?

How do you want me to prove this?

But it's completely real.

I travel like 90% right now.

Wow.

And if you have adequate testosterone,

you have adequate protein, and you do basic movements

or you do the AI-powered stuff I do when I'm at home,

it just doesn't take much to put it on.

I do have an unfair advantage in my early 20s,

when I was desperate to lose that 100 pounds of fat.

I went to the gym, and I lifted for 45 minutes,

six days a week, and I did 45 minutes of cardio.

I never lost a pound, but I put a lot of muscle

on under the fat.

Right.

And if you lift in your 20s, your body has muscle memory,

not for the movement, but for the ability to put on muscle.

So everyone listening, if you're in your 20s,

go to the gym for six months and get a little bit ripped.

And that way, when you're 30, 40, and 50,

it'll be really easy to restore that muscle

if you start working out.

But if you don't set it when you're young,

it's harder to put it on.

Right.

So it's almost like riding a bike you never kind of,

your body doesn't forget that, huh?

Yeah.

That's interesting.

What about lifting at an earlier age?

Because some people have mixed opinions on that.

Stunt your growth.

You know, I've seen multiple, multiple angles on that.

I don't think there's really enough knowledge on that.

Okay.

We know that extreme impact stress can cause

the growth plates to close early.

And I've seen overtraining stunt people's growth.

But overtraining usually is coupled with lack of sleep

and lack of protein and lack of minerals.

So if they're on vitamin Dake and they're on minerals 101,

which is like a broad spectrum mineral formula,

they're getting one gram of protein per pound of body weight,

maybe a bit more if you're still in your teens

because you're still putting on mass.

Then you're unlikely to have that problem.

It's not impossible.

It's just much less likely.

Did you see Brian Johnson's new sauna study?

A couple months ago.

The one about microplastics?

Yeah, microplastics.

I did.

What do you think of that?

Did that surprise you?

Not particularly.

We've known saunas are for detoxing just about everything.

What I would include in a protocol

is a compound called calcium D-glucorate,

which can help your body get rid of microplastics,

as well as the synthetic estrogen that's in the plastic as well.

It's been a part of my protocol for a long time.

Yeah.

I worked back.

I had some estrogen levels that were kind of high,

so it might be microplastics something.

Well, microplastics don't cause estrogen,

but if you're touching a lot of plastic or BPA

or fragrances and all this stuff,

that's going to raise your estrogen.

Plus, your testosterone converts to estrogen

based in part on your sleep architecture,

your circadian biology, and partly on genetics.

So I tended to have a lot of estrogen.

In fact, every guy in my family has man boobs,

except for me.

Really?

Right.

And it's because, well, we converts.

It's called aromatasing.

You convert testosterone to estrogen really easily.

So if you're one of those people, you can block it.

And that's what I do.

I take that calcium D-glucorate

because it makes the liver excrete estrogen more quickly.

So get on that.

Your estrogen should just drop.

You can buy that online.

Damn, I need to take that.

My man boobs are coming in, man.

Oh, seriously?

Yeah.

All right.

In that case, take calcium D-glucorate

and take chrysanthemum.

C-H-R-Y-S-I-N.

That would help to block the testosterone

from going in to your estrogen.

And see, like, this stuff,

I had to study all of it because, you know,

300 pounds, man boobs, arthritis,

brain fog, chronic fatigue,

high risk of stroke and heart attack,

and pre-diabetes for I was 30.

Yeah.

I was just the worst case.

And I'm walking around now, my lab tests say,

depending on which ones you like,

somewhere mid-30s to early 40s,

and the calendar thinks I'm 53,

and I'm counting myself as 28% old

because I'm gonna live to at least 180.

That's still cool.

This is insane.

Wait, you're 53?

Yeah.

I'm like, what's...

He's gonna zoom in.

He's gonna zoom in on your six-pack.

I'm pretty sure.

You just have to know how to eat

and have the right hormones and things like that.

You don't do any app workout?

Let me see.

No sit-ups, no planks.

No.

Wow.

With the six-pack?

The six-pack's come from...

Wait, it's on your plate.

It's not from going to the gym.

I could have bigger apps

underneath the lack of fat here,

but I have strong apps.

I do breathwork.

Yeah.

Right?

Breathwork grows apps, actually.

Doesn't?

Oh, yeah.

If you're doing like, like,

like the...

The last one?

Yeah.

The really strong abdominal breathing,

really...

Like, you really like suck it in.

Holy crap.

Like, that...

That's where your real abstract comes from.

You can move your...

I can't even move my belly like that.

That's crazy.

Just from breathwork.

Yeah.

Yeah, I teach me now on.

Yeah, that's a really powerful one,

because if you have control

of the three different kind of sections of the lungs,

it also is useful in the bedroom.

Is it?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

I know you're an expert at math.

You can last all day.

I'm not...

I'm not gonna say anything.

We'll let the ladies talk about that.

You could ask the ladies for their old tutorials.

Yeah, and you train that too,

which is impressive to me, you know.

You tell me,

you miss my dumb joke.

No, I got it.

I got it.

I've talked to some ladies about you.

Really?

Yeah.

I'm actually...

I don't sleep around,

but I do have a few friends.

I love it, man.

So what's the main thing for you these days?

I know you got the conference in May coming up.

Yeah, the biohacking conference.

I'm going to come this year,

right next year.

It's going to be amazing.

I can't wait.

Yeah.

I talked to...

Your title sponsor was on yesterday.

A brain top.

Oh, yeah.

He was speaking really hard.

Patrick Porter.

Yeah, Patrick.

He's been a sponsor for years,

and we have 5,000 people who come,

and it's like a big party,

and they're all like high-vibe people.

And Steve Aoki did our concert last year,

and he'll probably do it again this year.

And it's just...

It's my favorite thing ever,

because everyone there is beautiful.

And you'll see people 18 to 88,

and all of them have like bright eyes,

and they're all just nice.

I love it.

It's a community that I love.

Yeah, because we all got the same goals.

We want to be healthier, right?

So we're all working on them.

I don't think that's your goal, man.

Really?

Yeah.

What do you mean?

I think that if you wake up in the morning,

your first thought is not,

I want to be healthy,

unless you're really sick.

I think you're thinking about your show,

you're making your mark in the world,

and getting laid.

Getting laid's not the main priority.

This is your testosterone slow.

It's 566, which is somewhat lower.

I want to get to like 800, I think.

Yeah.

That's going to be different.

Because that's what you're supposed to be thinking about.

Yeah.

Right?

If you are putting health at the top of your list,

it's because you're sick or you're worried.

That's such an interesting take,

because you're like,

the godfather of biohacking,

and you're saying this.

And the reason I learned this is because I had the disease

as you're supposed to get when you're 70,

when I was in my 20s,

and I hung out with people in their 70s and 80s

who taught me how to reverse them,

and that's how I learned biohacking.

I learned from my elders,

and I still do.

I love hanging out with 80-year-old doctors, man.

They're wizards.

But they just know all this stuff.

So, yeah, that's what it's about.

It is not health.

You should be healthy enough that health

is not at the top of your list.

And this is why selling health to people

doesn't work very well.

Right?

Because I was like, yeah, I should want to be healthy.

I should also want to like recycle.

It's just not at the top of the list.

So what you want to do is reduce friction.

So it's really easy to be healthy.

And if you just know what to do,

you can drink mold-free, dangerous coffee.

I missed it this year.

Last year you guys were giving up.

I was excited for that this year.

We in about a month are launching an instant.

That is mold-free, re-mineralized and all that.

But it never goes about 36 degrees when I make it.

It takes three days to make it.

It tastes exactly like brewed coffee with none of the bad stuff.

But, okay, it's in the morning.

You could drink normal coffee,

or you could drink mold-free coffee.

Same amount of time,

cost about the same,

a little bit more for the mold stuff

because of the minerals.

It didn't take you any time, right?

And you set yourself up.

What are the most important five supplements you're going to take?

You put them on the counter in a row,

so they're just easy.

And what people do is they make it complex.

And they think they have to do everything.

True.

So when someone comes in to upgrade labs,

what I do is they say,

what do you really care about?

And you don't get set out care about being healthy.

This doesn't even mean anything.

So what does it go?

Do you want to handle stress better?

Do you want to be smarter?

You want to live longer?

You want to learn muscle?

You want to lose fat?

You want to increase your cardiometabolic capacity?

libido?

Sleep?

Those are the big buckets.

And pick one and pick two.

And those are the only two you're going to work on.

And now all of a sudden,

all the crap just goes away

because you have like a shining beacon of goals.

It's focused.

And it turns out,

it doesn't matter which one you pick,

all the other ones improve too.

But just focus on those.

And then when you get there,

like, all right,

I got my kickstand pack.

I got the biceps,

whatever your goal was.

I can sleep through the night.

And then you pick another goal.

And so screw health.

Health is way overrated

because it doesn't mean anything.

Yeah.

I'm very fascinated.

Because someone like you,

people who I think would assume health

is like your number one goal.

No, it's not.

Freedom is a matter of your own goal.

And beauty and kindness.

Like those are way more important.

And all of those strangely drive health anyway.

That's true.

So feeling great every day is a matter of your own goal.

Yeah.

Health span versus lifespan, right?

Well, I have an issue with health span.

I'm just going to say this.

Health span is for cowards.

Whoa.

Hot take.

Every doctor who says that they're working on a health span

is afraid to say that they want to extend your life.

We don't want to just be healthy

and diet 86 like an average person that's dumb.

I'm going to diet 186.

And feel and look like I'm 35 the whole time.

That's the goal.

And I'm going to get there.

I might look like I'm 45.

Or 55.

I'm like, look, I'm 85.

As long as I feel good, my brain works.

And my dick works.

These are important parts of life.

And the reason I talk about make America hard again.

And I talk about libido.

Is in the east we have Chi.

Life force energy.

That is libido.

This is creation energy.

Like show me a low libido entrepreneur.

And I'll show you an entrepreneur who's struggling

in his personal life and in his company.

And that's for men.

And for women, show me a low testosterone woman.

And you'll have very similar answers.

But with women, it may be a ratio of estrogen

to testosterone.

It's more complex.

But bottom line is, you should have libido.

And you should have some of that always.

Because you don't have to put it into dating.

You have to put it into the bedroom.

You put it into making giant companies.

Right.

Into making a mark in the world.

And one of the issues that really is a problem is porn

and just frequent masturbation or even just frequent ejaculation.

And people hate it when they say this.

But guys can have sex and have an orgasm but not ejaculate.

And if you learn how to do that, which is out of Taoism or Tantra,

then every time you ejaculate, your testosterone drops

for 24 to 48 hours and your prolactin goes up.

And some people are more or less sensitive to prolactin.

Prolactin makes you lethargic and tired.

So you get that.

Will you respect me in the morning thing?

No.

A guy who ejaculated a couple of times less night is not going to want to do anything

in the morning because your hormones are jacked.

If instead you learn, OK, I had sex.

I had multiple orgasms.

I didn't ejaculate.

And now I like my life even more.

And my testosterone went up even more.

And now I'm ready to go.

Right.

It's a very different world.

Yeah.

So learning that sex is not equal ejaculation.

And orgasm does not equal ejaculation.

If you pick that up in your 20s, you'll be an epic lover.

And you'll have more energy and you'll make a bigger mark in the world.

I want to get to that level.

I'm sure it took you years to achieve that though.

You know, it takes about two years.

Wow.

Just to control the ejaculation process.

Yeah.

You want to know the two tricks?

It's breathwork, right?

Breathwork helps.

Like learning how to calm the system with breathing.

But there's two specific things that you can do to stop yourself from ejaculating.

OK.

Before you want to.

And it's not grabbing the base and holding up.

This is what they try to teach.

Number one is about eight seconds before you ejaculate your butthole titans.

So relax your butthole.

OK.

Literally just be aware of it.

Oh, I'm noticing that.

And then when you feel like you're getting really close, the body is expecting you to go real hard.

So before you're too close, go real hard.

And you kind of trick your body into thinking that you finished, even though you didn't.

So then when it would have told you to do that, it's like, oh, I already did that.

So if you have those two things, you know how to breathe optimally, how to relax your system,

you can go a lot longer.

Wow.

And the thing that's going to happen is most women have learned that sex was good if the guy finishes.

Right.

And so if you say, I'm not going to, then they're like, I didn't do my job right.

And so you got to have the conversation with your partner.

And the easiest hack of all for that is tell your partner, I want you to help me do this.

And it's going to go to both of us because we're going to have more sex.

It's going to be more fun.

But I know that if I'm in charge, I'm probably going to finish.

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So sometimes this week, I want to ejaculate.

You pick the day but don't tell me ahead of time.

And when your ego is out of the loop, you can go all night.

But if it's up to you, it takes a lot more willpower.

So sex is high under a priority list in life.

If you want to care about the world, you should have a libido.

Yeah, sex is really important.

It's a longevity drug.

I should say just for the clip.

Sex is a longevity drug straight up.

The people I know who are in their 70s and 80s have active sex lives.

They love their life and their youthful.

And the people who lost function, they're old.

So this is a fundamental thing.

Sex is a nutrient.

It's as important as air and food for adults.

So if you're a child, if you're a child, if you're a child,

it's a nutrient.

It's as important as air and food for adults.

Wow.

And would you say just sex with another person

or would you consider masturbation part of that?

I would consider sex with another person.

There's a co-regulation that's really important.

There are practices in Taoism and they're very different for men and women.

If you are a celibate, where you still practice stimulation.

And that's mostly to keep the organs healthy.

Man, you're becoming a monk.

Not a monk.

Not at all.

I know you got the 40 years as end thing.

Yeah.

I have spent about six months of my life with electrodes on my head.

Jeez.

And each week of that training is equal to about 20, 30, 40 years of meditating every day.

Wow.

And I have traveled around the world and learned from monks and things.

And it's funny, because I've learned from the longevity world for the last 25 years.

And I've also been training with shamans and weird monasteries all over the world.

Because actually, this is why biohacking exists.

When I came up with this name, I couldn't get young people to care about longevity.

Just like you can't get people to care about health.

You care, but you don't really care about it.

And I also have this consciousness journey that most people don't even know exists.

So biohacking is a Trojan horse that gets young people to care about longevity,

because the things that make old people young make young people powerful.

And then, if you know you're going to live for maybe a hundred years

and be fully in charge of yourself, maybe you should work on being happy.

And that's where the consciousness work, and the meditation, and the breath work,

and psychedelics, and tantric sex, and all the things that were in my most recent book,

and they've been meditated.

That's why I like your approach, because it's not just a physical thing for you.

Yeah. It can't be.

The people who think we're meat robots, they're always unhappy.

They don't live a long time.

Right.

So just understanding you're a spiritual being living in a meat body,

you've got to take care of the body.

You've got to take care of the spiritual being too.

I think I'll do for another psychedelic journey.

It's been like eight years for me.

Oh, man.

It's been a while.

Yeah. I feel like I need some new perspective on life.

You could come and do 40 years of zen.

That's ketamine, right?

Yeah, ketamine's optional.

Okay.

People have said, even with no ketamine, like this is the best plant medicine journey ever

with no plants, because just the neurofeedback, you go into these incredible altered states.

And I actually don't have a dog in the fight.

I want people to learn how to enter these precious states.

And you can do it with fasting in a cave.

Perfect.

Done that.

Fasting in a cave.

Yeah.

Is that the darkness or treats I see?

Mine wasn't fully dark, but I fasted in a cave for four days.

Darkness or treats are away.

Extended fasting is away.

Light and sound and vibration is a way to enter these states.

Extended breathwork, like holotropic or Joe dispensa.

Yep.

A breathwork.

Those will get you there.

Tantric sex will get you there.

Conscious kink will get you there.

And I guess there's different effects from different psychedelics.

But most of them work some with more danger than others.

And then, once you learn how to do this, like with neurofeedback or just with lots of

time in a monastery, you can go into these states at will.

Wow.

And this is the goal.

If you have to do 86 ayahuasca sessions, like when you get a notice, it's not working.

Again, in native cultures, if you're not a shaman, you might do it like two or three times in your life.

Yeah.

Like it's a really sacred thing.

And I don't like where ayahuasca is gone in the US.

Yeah.

Some people are doing it weekly.

Yeah.

It's crazy.

If you're going to do that, just do DMT weekly.

It's much, much safer.

Did you find the answers to life on your DMT trip?

I did not.

But it's a very special spiritual place.

You didn't see the matrix codes on the wall.

I've been interested in doing that with the lasers you're talking about.

Yeah.

Danny Golder.

Yeah. I haven't.

I'll connect you guys.

That'd be fun.

I have all the lasers and I have all the drugs.

I just have to decide to do them together.

Yeah.

But that's fascinating work, isn't it?

Yeah.

You could see the codes on the walls.

Crazy, right?

Well, numbers can explain a lot in the world.

It's true.

I mean, the reality that we see through our bodies is just not the reality that's real.

What do you mean by that?

Well, you can't see radar.

And you can't see infrared.

And you can't see most vibrations.

You can see some of them.

And you can't see quantum fields or information fields.

But they're there.

And we can prove they're there.

So what that means is that your body is making a user interface.

Let you see the world.

And it's a useful one.

But we can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt using advanced math and quantum physics.

Space is not real.

And time is not real.

They're just made up by our bodies because they're really useful so that we can do what we had to do.

Space and time are not real.

That's my blowing concept, right?

Yeah.

You should get Robert Lanza on the show.

He's a quantum physics book called Beyond Bio-Centrism.

And the theory that best fits all the facts is that all of reality is made from our consciousness.

Wow.

So we are in the matrix zone.

Well, we make the matrix that we're in.

And we each have our own, right?

It's not one.

Or is it?

Well, if you get really down to the quantum realms like that, we're all one.

So there's no separation.

Jeez.

I just crazy.

We just don't see it.

You're not supposed to see it when you're in a body.

Yeah.

So if time isn't real, what causes aging?

Probably our mindset.

If you go back in the, like say the Bible, Mathusa lived 969 years.

Noah's 400-ish years.

And so we have all these records in India, even in recent times.

There's a guy that's pretty well documented, 185 years old.

Wow.

I have a book about him from his grandson of his caretaker.

Was he a monk?

He was a guru of some.

Sorry.

I don't know if he was a full monk.

Probably more like a sadoo.

But what we're finding is that a lot of it is just what we think of raging.

And part of my mission with biohacking is what I share.

The picture of yourself when you're old.

If it involves canes and wheelchairs and tubes and not knowing your name.

Well, you're making that reality.

Yeah.

That's not where I'm going.

So with Brian trying to achieve immortality and other people, like,

would you ever want that?

I feel like you wouldn't.

You know, when I wrote my big longevity book, it's called Superhuman.

I went really into this and it was radical when I went on the news.

I didn't want to live to at least 180.

And it didn't, you know, all the big shows and whatever.

And people have a hard time conceiving of that because they just think you'd have paper

thin skin.

And it's like, no, I'm going to look and feel like I do now.

Right.

The best of my ability.

Right.

And so it's about shifting paradigms.

But immortality is a curse.

Like, there's lots of old myths about that.

Right.

So the idea that death is a bad thing is completely absurd.

Agreed.

Death is a state change and there's no reason to be afraid of it.

The decline that some people think happens before death is something that we want to avoid.

So Michael, I'd like to die at a time and buy a method of my choosing.

So when I'm done, I'm done and I have no issues with it.

Onto the next.

Yeah.

And that said, I had a lot of good stuff to do.

Yeah.

Right.

So fearing death though is very dark.

Because if you live in fear, it doesn't work.

The reason it doesn't work, it's kind of funny.

I heavily meditated, became the top-selling philosophy book in the country.

It's a meditation book.

Wow.

And I'm like, what is going on here?

And it's because a lot of Buddhist scholars are saying they have the theories in there.

Make the ego make sense.

So your mitochondria create your egoic behaviors.

And they're running this operating system that says, number one,

if something is scary, run away from killer hide and turn on all the threat stuff.

And they're seeing this long before your brain gets any signal.

And then the next thing they do is they say, is it food?

Can I eat it?

And then the next thing is, these are all afterwards, is, can I hump its leg?

Right.

So it's like fear of food, fertility, friend, forgiveness, and order.

So if you're focused on not dying, that's fear.

Whoa.

And that means you keep your mitochondria in a state of fear.

Holy crap.

It's kind of ironic, right?

It is.

So the opposite of fear is peace.

So make peace with death.

Right.

And then make peace with being hungry.

That's called fasting.

Right.

So you don't feel like you're going to die if you don't get a taco.

And then make your lust and only fans into just a sacred form of connection with one or more people

that nourishes you.

And that becomes a source of energy and nourishment as well.

Connection.

Yeah.

And what's left after that is a ton of energy for your community because all life, including mitochondria,

they take care of each other.

They're a big community of little bacteria in your body.

And then humans take care of other humans and the world around us.

And so does every other life farm.

So this is all happening before your brain gets a signal of reality.

Wow.

And after that, if you do everything right, you have enough energy left for forgiveness,

which is the process we use to be less fearful.

So you can have more peace.

So when you meet someone who's just radically powerful and radically peaceful, that's sustainable.

If you're radically powerful and radically angry or radically fearful, that's not sustainable.

Right.

You'll hate your life and you'll age more quickly.

Interesting.

But how to eliminate fear or do you still experience it?

I don't on a regular basis experience fear.

And that's because when I was younger, I did everything that I was afraid of on purpose.

Oh, well.

And then with the 40 years of Zen neurofeedback, I've gone through it.

Anything that you're afraid of, it's just a version.

It's just ego.

So there's altered states you can go into where you kind of run a worst case scenario to figure out like,

okay, what would it be like?

And you actually replay that in your head.

And then you go into an opposite state that's like an exalted state that cancels out the fear.

So my goal is, I don't want to be afraid, but I would like my body to not fall off a cliff

or jump if there's a tiger.

So you want protective responses, but dwelling on fear, I don't do that.

It's not a thing.

And if I do, I slap electrodes on my head and go, what am I doing wrong in there?

I definitely fear death for, because I would grow up Christian, and I feel like a lot of religious people struggle with that.

So I grew up that way.

I would say I still am a little scared of it, but I try not to think about it.

You ever seen any of your past lives?

Yes.

Not like visually, but psychics have told me.

Yeah.

So if those exist, then the story out about death isn't accurate.

True.

And I would suggest this for everyone.

Decide that reincarnation is real.

And this is the only rational choice to make.

It doesn't matter if it's actually real.

Because if you tell yourself, look, if I screw up, I get a redo, you'll just be less afraid in this life.

And if you're an atheist and it all ends, it doesn't matter.

You told yourself that you get another do-over so that you just have a better life.

And if you believe you're going to go to heaven or hell, you might consider reincarnation because there's lots of evidence for it.

But the reason that it's a beneficial belief is just the peacefulness that comes.

If I don't do it right this time, I'll just start the game over again.

And that appears to be how reality works.

So you believe in karma, then?

I believe in reincarnation.

And I believe that sometimes people are working through karma and other times they're not.

Yeah.

You mentioned evidence for reincarnation as science proof that there's something there with the soul, with the reincarnation process.

I'd like to say that science has proved things, but trusting the science has been a little bit risky over the last five years, right?

You're not wrong.

And it was funny.

I was on stage at a consciousness conference.

And I said, Mark my words, I'll be misquoted on this.

But science is bullshit.

And the New York Times misquoted me, of course.

Yeah, I clicked that part.

My story though about that is that all of science we have today is our best ability to make a story about reality.

And it changes every five years.

Like all the stuff we think we know that science knows, it's just our best interpretation and it will improve and it's improving very quickly because of AI.

So there are lots and lots of cases, especially kids under five, accounting for incredible detail about their last life.

There's one I'm remembering from one of the books about it where the kid was between three and five.

He was talking about his friend and an airplane and he was in World War II and they found the guy and the way too many details.

And there's thousands and thousands of documents and cases of things like this.

And there's guys like Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, who's, I've just breathed for five years and I've interviewed him a couple times.

And when he was three, he memorized the entire Bhagavad Gita, which is basically the Hindu version of the Bible, and was teaching when he was five.

Wow.

So yeah, he came in with that.

That's crazy.

Right.

So I don't have any doubt in my mind.

And by the way, I grew up in an atheist family.

It was agnostic.

It was science rush.

I didn't believe any of this stuff until reality.

Till the psychedelic trip.

It wasn't even psychedelics.

It was more breath work.

It was the first time I experienced that stuff and I didn't believe it.

I'm just hallucinating.

But sometimes when, if you're working with two or three psychics and they don't know each other and they all say the same thing.

That's what happened to me.

Isn't that weird?

Yeah.

Yeah, that's not weird. That's science.

It's two different past life readings that they never met each other.

Same past lives, dude.

Yeah.

Like what are the odds at all?

There are people who can read it.

And it's funny.

We have super tasers.

You know about these?

The taste buds.

Yeah.

They can taste more flavors than they run out.

They've become like chefs and simoleas.

And we have these people who can see more colors.

There's a hyper chromatism or something.

So they can see more than 20 million colors.

And they're just better visually.

But we don't have any problem with that.

And there are people who hear better.

And we have people with synesthesia.

You know, I have a friend who can smell truthfulness.

Like he is.

Yeah.

Essentially, each of the senses should go into a certain part of the brain,

but they can get cross-wired.

So we accept all of these scientifically.

But we have a hard time knowing that some people are good at seeing dead people.

Yeah.

I know what the brain waves of people can see dead people look like.

What do they look like?

I'm not going to tell it's part of me.

But it does seem to be genetic though, right?

Because psychics seem to run in family lines from what I've seen.

Yes.

It is true that in families, especially in the maternal lineage,

but not always, it can run.

So I mean it's genetic.

So if your mom was a witch and you have a long line of herbalists

who hang out under moonlight, there's a good chance that you have some healing abilities.

It doesn't mean that it won't skip a generation and things like that.

But you see this over and over.

So sometimes the last people, you know, where are you from?

Where are you people from?

And if you're a Romanian gypsy, probably good chance you have some abilities.

It's just how it works.

And I don't even know why that deserves skepticism versus curiosity.

Yeah.

But like I said, I was skeptical about all this.

That's just where I am now, because I've looked at so many people's brains

and you take the most ardent skeptic and you show them altered states work,

even without psychedelics, and suddenly the world's more complex.

For me, I had made and lost $6 million before I was 30.

I'd been married and divorced at the same time.

And I'd even tried being famous.

I was not from a magazine when I was 23.

It was the first guy to sell anything over the internet.

And I was so freaking miserable that I went to this 10-day workshop

and I did Holotropic Breathing, which was a replacement for LSD.

And I went on a journey and I came out of this going, my God, the world is so different

than I thought it was.

I just didn't know how to sense any of this.

And it turns out you can train your senses or your mind or your field.

I didn't know what it is.

I'm to feel other people and there's no things and all that.

And over time, if you're on any spiritual path, these kinds of things can and do emerge.

And there's a freaking manual on this.

These are called the Yogic Cities.

Yogic Cities.

S-I-D-H-I.

And the Yogic Cities are a little bit less than 50 documented abilities that emerge in humans

as we're on the path to enlightenment.

Really?

These are things like the ability to heal other people, to read other people's thoughts,

telepathy systems like that.

And no, these are not common.

In fact, if you take random people and you look at that, you say this doesn't happen.

If you take trained meditators, they can do it in a very statistically valid way.

So the chances of it being random are many billions to one.

So people who train their consciousness can do things that people are untrained.

Can't do.

That's kind of cool.

Yeah.

Do you see a link with that in the recent outburst of autism?

Like, it seems like these kids have abilities.

Some of them.

I think some of them do.

And like we talked about in our last interview, you know, I had Asperger syndrome

when people don't like that name anymore, but that's what it's called.

Sorry guys.

And if you got triggered, that means that you're such a trigger these days.

Asperger?

I think I just, someone told me just last week, apparently Asperger had an association

with the Nazis.

So they want to like cancel the name of the thing, whatever.

My dad got diagnosed with up.

Asperger.

Oh, no kidding.

That's 60 late diagnosis.

It's, it's funny.

I mean, I can, I can spot people are not neurotypical.

And there's some of the most interesting fun people.

Very interesting people.

I very much appreciate all of my friends who just have those kinds of brains.

And I can switch between that kind of thinking and the kind of thinking that I normally reside in today.

But I do think that some of those kids have incredible abilities.

And part of it is like when you're first inside a body, like when you first are growing in the womb,

you're supposed to be able to learn the senses in a normal way.

And there's something called mechanoreceptors in your fascia and your collagen.

And most people with autism have defects in them.

So we just don't sense the world in the right way.

And then we have problems with the lining of our nerves that come from neuroinflammation.

And then we have power problems in our brain.

So these kids are saying, there's too much noise.

I can't sense the world very well.

So where did I put all the energy?

It's put into growing the inner abilities.

Right.

That's an argument for that.

Some of these kids are very perceptive.

And they just can't communicate very well.

Yep.

The difficulty, though, is that a skeptic will say, well, they're just really good at pattern matching.

That's not it.

And I know this because I had a brain like that.

And I don't have a brain like that now.

When I'm doing pattern matching, it's a cognitive thing.

When I'm doing energy work, it's pre-cognitive.

The most powerful things I've ever written was when I stopped thinking and I started knowing.

Was that channeling you think?

Or what do you think was going on with that?

Channeling is usually when you are connecting to another entity.

Yeah.

And you're channeling an entity.

I'm not channeling.

I'm connecting to probably the collective consciousness.

I don't know.

Okay.

But there's a skill I learned this with neurofeedback where you just stop.

It's actually surrender.

It would be the best name for it.

Okay.

You stop thinking.

There's no thoughts.

And you just allow.

And then you just know.

Wow.

And some of the things I've written that hadn't been written before and hadn't been validated yet.

I'm like, well, this is what I intuitive.

And here's the puzzle pieces from existing science that supports this theory.

And then a few years later, someone might test the theory.

Interesting.

But it's because of all this advanced altered state's work that you can tap in.

And when you talk to really powerful inventor or can't talk to him because they're dead.

But guys like Tesla or Royal Rife or Edison at all, even Ben Franklin, they all had massive altered states practices.

Like the way Ben Franklin would invent, he would hold a couple of marbles over a pan.

And he'd take like a little nap.

And as soon as he fell asleep, the marbles will fall into the pan and wake him up.

So he wanted to catch that mental state right between being awake and being asleep.

Wow.

And come back so he could remember it.

And how many inventors had a dream that was the answer?

That's how we discovered the structure of DNA was a dream.

Really?

My grandfather was a co-inventor of the process we used to make plutonium called the Purex process.

It came to them in a dream.

No way.

Yeah.

This is how it works.

That's crazy.

And we just try to deny all this and it's absurd.

This is how...

This is what being human is.

A lot of people just brush off their dreams.

They really do.

And dreams can be just random.

Like you have strange vibrant dreams.

Look for Moltoxins, right?

But there's a difference in the character of different dreams.

And some people I know, they do a lot of their work in the world and they're asleep.

They're doing meditation stuff.

So I would just say, if you want to live a long time,

you're going to be really powerful in the world.

You've got to access all of your abilities.

Right.

It's the rational ones, but having rational abilities is really good.

When people are traumatized and stressed, we think.

Thinking is very useful.

It's unique in humans the way we can do it.

It's just very slow and it's very subject to bias.

Because these little mitochondria that really control our bodies,

they allocate power in a meaningful way.

And you have about 20 different ways to solve a problem in your brain.

And they're going to pick the lowest power problem solving algorithm.

And they're going to do that based on how much power they have and how safe they feel.

And it takes a long time to really analyze and think about and ponder.

Or you could just say, yeah, it feels like this.

However, your body decides to let you think is going to feel like it's real.

This is why we get these stupid things.

If cortisol is bad, then you have zero cortisol.

Now we'll kill you.

Or if eating too much food makes you fat, eating no food will make you thin.

We make these very basic assumptions and we just fight for them to be true.

So your ability to deceive yourself because your mitochondria are low on power

or because they're stressed and afraid.

It's a problem.

But if you have more peace and more energy,

you actually make much better decisions cognitively.

But when someone's always in their head, it's because they have PTSD issues.

They make emotional decisions, right?

Yeah. Well, it's different.

You'll make an emotional decision, but you'll think about it.

The emotions happen first.

So the emotions set the tone of reality.

Then your brain gets to think about it for a while and it believes the emotions.

And it makes up stories to justify them.

So when it comes down to just being a high performance human,

you want to not think about things all the time.

You want to be able to just have a peaceful awareness of things

and then think about it consciously instead of unconsciously.

An unconscious thinking is when you ruminate.

And how many times, especially when you're under 30,

what did that person say about me?

What do they think about me?

Just all that stuff.

Living in the past.

Yeah. And it's quite often people join that in their 60s too.

But if you're on a path of personal development

and you do the work in your 20s,

do your PTSD work or whatever trauma work you have,

you have only systems, your attachments and things like that.

It's very easy to do that today because there's so much knowledge out there.

Then you get to this place where something didn't go your way.

That's all right.

And it's just it's okay.

And it doesn't keep you up at night.

For sure.

And then you realize that there's an inner knowing, this intuition.

And that happens before you can think.

And for most of us, the process is that something happens in the world around you.

And there's a brief and very low power, kind of a quiet knowing about what to do.

Followed by a much stronger emotion and followed by a thought to justify that or to cancel it out.

So most of us are taught, since we're little kids,

to immediately shut down our intuition so we can think about it.

And the process of waking up is learning to notice the intuition

and to pay attention to it and then to think.

And that's a new one skill.

This is why I'm in nature having absolute darkness at night and having time without a screen.

It allows that part of your brain to just go, what's really going on?

And to get those little glimpses of awareness.

And if you practice, you become stronger.

I took a Sarah Gottfried's trauma test.

I got a really high score.

I believe it.

And part of me is like, I use the trauma to get to where I'm at.

But I think it's actually harming me now.

You know what I mean?

I want to address that.

So what's the approach there for getting rid of that?

Number one, tons of respect for even noticing that.

I was on a really similar path.

All the success I had, that $6 million that I made in my 20s.

That came from exactly that.

Like, I'm going to prove I'm good enough to have the bullies and all that stuff.

That's what I'm going to be.

Yeah.

And anger and resentment and things like that.

Because I'm going to prove it'll actually grow a company just fine.

But you'll be miserable.

You know, hey, your life.

Yeah.

And you want to have good relationships.

And it'll eat you up.

And you'll probably get cancer or some other nasty disease.

So, the trick is to do the work so that you shift from the trauma state to a state where

you're being pulled in the direction of your mission.

And that was what I did around age 30.

Right?

Starting with that holotropic breathwork and all the neurofeedback work that I've done.

Just all the different altered states work.

In addition, just fixing my biology with all the longevity work.

And so, how would you do that?

I think the shortest path for you might be if you know, like, the bullying instances and things like that.

There's always self with parents, too.

Yeah.

Do some EMDR.

Okay.

Or brain spotting.

These are quick and easy things you can do with a therapist.

And this is all altered states work.

It works really, really well.

And then this will be controversial.

Take a tantra class.

Tantra.

Yeah.

Okay.

You can have profound healing with really, really good conscious sex.

Really?

Yeah.

Either tantra or conscious gank, either one.

And these are both energy work practices that involve working with another person to learn to co-regulate your system with them.

And there's lots of different ways to manipulate the body so that you go into this other dimension.

And that's where healing really happens.

Healing's an altered state.

And it doesn't really matter how you get in the altered state.

But you want to get into it with a conscious partner.

And if it's an intimate partner, great.

Or if it's a therapist or a facilitator, that's really important.

The other thing that's just critical.

If you're doing EMDR brain spotting, you already have a therapist.

But if you're doing psychedelics by yourself or with a couple of friends, you've got to do the integration.

Because here's the problem.

When you go into these altered realms, you end up learning things.

And your mitochondria have the ability to make you forget.

Your ego can do that.

And Buddhism is one of the hindrances is forgetfulness.

It's like it's in there, but the brain won't show it to you.

Right?

If you do like Aubrey Marcus, 87, I was going to say, OK.

Well, each time you do that, the ego gets stronger because it got all the knowledge.

But you didn't get to remember it.

So the trick is you have to write it down or you have to talk to someone about it.

So you have a witness and it's documented.

Because then your ego won't let you forget it because it'll get caught.

Wow.

This is why people come to 40 years as in.

There's small groups of about five people.

And you talk about what you just did.

It's the same thing.

You wake up from a dream.

If you tell someone, you remember the dream.

You don't tell someone is gone.

Well, psychedelics are the same way.

Breathwork is the same way.

So making sure that you get the benefit from it in your consciousness instead of in your egos.

It's just so important.

Otherwise, it can go dark.

Yeah, I know people that have gone down the dark psychedelic path.

It sucks to see because they want to heal and get over their trauma.

But it does.

And there can be addiction with ketamine.

The other psychedelics are just not addictive.

You can be like a scapism kind of thing.

But you're not going to get addicted to LSD.

Just plenty of evidence.

Well, David, it's always fun with you, man.

We'll link the conference, the book, anything else you want to wrap up with.

Yeah, come to the backpacking conference.

We've got the leaders in longevity and in consciousness.

All the human performance stuff.

And it's the most fun I've ever had.

And I would invite people to read heavily meditated.

And won't change my life if you buy the book or not.

This is my most important book ever because it's got the recipe for this kind of work in it.

And this is really how you live a long time.

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Thanks, my friend.

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