Death of the Training Partner

0:00Welcome listeners to Iron Radio, the long running podcast for all things strength sports and sports nutrition. With your hosts, Phil Stevens, grizzled better like they know how to tap in to that area, Lonnie Lowry, there's a mental fortitude that lifters have and Mike T. Nelson. Oh my squat. Come on in. Good morning everybody. I'm Phil Stevens. I'm a powerlifter, Highland Games athlete, you sport coach, maker of tons of stuff and a pretty cool guy I think. Nice. I was Dr. Mike T. Nelson, better the flex diets served in the physiologic flexibility research. I'll open the second week of October again and it's a little slow this morning. I went to see last night, hate breeds through the title tendencies down and slayer.

1:03So I was right down in front in the pit. It was insane. Slayer played for an hour and 50 minutes, like straight, including rain and blood, a bunch of stuff I've never played before. It had so much fire when it turned on. It literally felt like your face was going to melt off. It was so cold retirement to our couple of years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're only doing a couple of shows though. Yeah, they're only doing each shows total I think. So it was amazing seeing that man. Yeah. Wasn't that our first intro song that we use as slayer tune? Yeah, we did. We could go up the weeks. It was. Yeah, trivia for any of our super long time listeners. If you remember the slayer intro 2009 and then we figured out we were going to probably get. No, no. Okay, I'm just finishing it. Tros. This is Lonnie Lowry.

2:04I think people know the routine. So a professor for a very long time bodybuilder since I was 13, at least on my own level, you know, I did compete for what it's worth. Now, you know, industry science guy and writing and stuff like that. I wanted to get on something before we go on topic and get your guys thoughts on this because last weekend was we had a preseason tournament and we talk about youth sports and how kids have changed and stuff like that. I saw something that I've never seen ever in youth sports last weekend. So we had a game and game starts. We get up to 16 and nothing in the first quarter. They do their little five minute break for the quarter. Our team runs back on the field. We just hear a big ruckus on the side, the other side line and he look over there and there's parents and coaches, holiday kids and then the coach walks over to us and says, we're going to have to forfeit.

3:06We're like, okay, why? Yeah. I can't get more than five kids to step on the field. The kids through a mutiny. The parents are all over there. It's football. Get out there and play. Like the kids mutinized against their parents and coaches and would not take the field. Whoa. I have never ever seen such a thing. And like we weren't like we weren't kill. I mean, we were beating them, but I mean, you're down by two scores. We're doing illegal. You get one score and then you're back in this game and I was amazed. And it was like me as a coach, I mean, because this is a preseason term. I was like, all right, boy, the season's done. If you're going to do this, we're not going on. Like I couldn't imagine doing that as a kid, like telling coach, nope. And they they banded together and decided from five players and just decided we're not taking the field. They were intimidated.

4:06Is that kind of what you're I don't know. The only thing I think it was hot, of course. And they they adjusted the game for that because it was so hot, they were given up extra long quarter breaks and like little water breaks here and there just to make sure the kids were safe. Yeah. But that heat hits different when you're getting your butt kicked. I mean, I guess granted we weren't letting them, but they had like negative 15 yards. The first half, first quarter. But I've seen people could at the half like call it, we're behind 48 and nothing. Ain't no way we're coming back. Let's just call it type of thing, but yeah, but 16 to nothing after one quarter. Yeah. I was just amazed and like the coaches and parents were very unhappy on their side. Wow. And the kids were telling their parents and their coaches like, nope, we're not doing it. We're done. I was like, wow. But so is this a generation of lack of resilience? Is that kind of what I thought? And that's what got this could be the topic of the day.

5:07But no, and that's another thing we've been talking, we've had two kids in Kansas that passed away at one college and one high school. But I mean, you see a lot more of just kids getting into it. I have to think a big part of it is from coaching at this level. The kids aren't, they don't have the general shape for it. I think that's a big part of the problem. They're not like when we were kids, we were just out playing in the shit all day every day. And you have these kids that are just stuck inside on phones and then you put them out and heat and they're not in, they don't have the GPP built up. Yeah. And it's a bad recipe. Yeah. But yeah, and then I think like you said, it's generational too. Is this like, come on kids, sometimes you got to do shit that sucks. Yeah. And yeah, it sucks to get your butt kicked. But like I tell my son is like, that's where you learn, learn by getting beat. And fix those things. And that's how your coaches learn. I mean, that's what we were using this preseason tournament before.

6:10We need to figure out what we need to work on. That's like it doesn't count. It's a preseason tournament. Yeah. True. That's why we wanted in there. So we're ready for the season. Now we had two weeks to fix whatever was bad. Like, well, they got to fix getting your ass on the field. Right. The most basic. Yeah. It's like, oh, anyway. I just wanted to hit on that. I was shocked. And a week later, I'm still like, wow. I had never seen such a thing. I think a good coach would have said, give me one more quarter. And here's why we're going to see what they're doing that we're not. You know, what is it that feels team can do that we can't? Is it general, you know, physical preparedness? Is it, is it some type of drill they're running? You know, what is it? And we're going to that way we'll walk away better. Well, I will tell you this, I think our GPP is much greater. And this is the first year I've had a team where I've been able to do.

7:10We do what I've preached for a long time and I haven't been able to do with as far as the football team goes. Like we don't, we don't run our kids past like 30 yards. There's no like, okay, run laps. It's high paced. We're going hard for 20 to 30. You stop your rest for 30 seconds. We go again. It's very specific to the game. It's a lot of high paced. It's a lot of high output short rest. Do it again. And like our initial warm up is that. And it starts slow with a jog for 20 yards and then it builds. But they'd never get more than 30 seconds rest, but we're going for 20 minutes straight to warm up. And then we go to gameplay and it's the same way. It's boom, boom, boom, boom, you know, and it's just very specific. And these kids are in shape. And I think the other thing that we have going for is two is we're one of the few teams that's not tied to a school. So when you're tied to a school and you're tied to Kasia rules here, it's Kansas Association

8:11that's athletes or whatever it is. A lot of these teams haven't been able to practice due to the heat. And we have been, we haven't missed a practice. We've pushed them a little later at times and things like that. But and we've adjusted what we do. Like we give the kids free rain to water, not just when we tell them a break. And we praise them like if you're thirsty, it's too late. You need a drink before you're thirsty. And so they'll run off the field, run back on, get water, but we were used to the heat. You know, a climate time. We went practicing in it for two months. And a lot of these teams have only had two or three practices because the schools like, no, they literally can't use the field. Because we practice in a park and there's no rules over that. And we just make sure the kids are good. We've had nobody, we've had a couple of kids like coach, my stomach's upset and we're like, okay, go sit on the sideline and tell you feel better. Water up, cool down. You know, and we just make sure our kids talk to us if they're feeling weird and we got, we got good kids.

9:11We got kids that want to play. So we don't have anybody just like, sissy and out and sitting on the side. And that would be a problem could be. But I think a lot of us just climatized to it. But I don't know what the cases for them just, I've never seen a team like mutant eyes against coach and parents. And so we're like, no, we're done. We're not doing it. Yeah. And that's shameless plug that that's one of my things and the physiologic flexibility assert is how do you become more resilient, more robust anti-proudable and one of the four pillars is temperature. Yeah. And I think that's what I think is the most important thing to be adapted to, you know, the warmer side, how can we adapt it to the colder side? You don't really need technology. I mean, you don't need to fill a freezer with 40 degree water like I did. But it's just, and people will argue that there isn't as much data on that, which is true. But the hard part is what I've seen is we're running the opposite experiment where, and I love

10:13to make sure myself and clients are exposed to heat, are exposed to cold, in a controlled, you know, trainable manner, just like you would do any other variables of stressors. And, you know, having done this over time for 10 plus years now, I think it does make a difference whether that's physiologic, whether it's the adaptation, whether it's psychological. I do think there is something there. And, you know, once you have your basic exercise nutrition and sleep in order, of course. Yeah. These kids weren't ready for earth. So, yeah, it's like, whoo. But so they did quit. They quit. Yeah, we only got to play a quarter. And our boys are pissed. They're like, man, we want to gain. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, now we start off next Sunday, then season kicks off. Yeah, other than physical extreme risk, like heat danger, that's poor sportsmanship. Yeah.

11:14You know, you got to go out there, like, anything might have been up. We had our butts kicked plenty of times, but you go, you finish the game and you shake hands at the end, and you don't say anything bad. You know, you just, you do it. You got to win a game. You can't win it. Yeah, learn from it. You know, use it as training. Yeah, that was amazing. And then there was an article. Somebody called me and because it was a Kansas City team, it weren't to be good, but there was an article in the frickin' Casey newspaper about kids quitting. Oh. And there's like, they didn't mention a team, but I'm like, I'm pretty sure I know who that was. But anyway. Yeah, maybe that's something for our listeners. If they've got kids or they're just, they have their own thoughts about why they don't quit, you know, or why they're never so. And then there's a lot of time where like my son, he has to do shit. He doesn't want to do all the time, and that's part of life. Just unless I tell him you got to learn that. You know, there's lots of time he doesn't want to take out the trash and mold the yard, but come on, but you got to do it. Yeah. So anyways, what we were going to talk about today is kind of the death of the training partner is what I was thinking about.

12:23Because like it's largely when I started like a crew, especially in strength sports, like everybody trained in a crew or at least a training partner in this and that. And today with the advent of like we've talked about before now everybody's into distance programming. And so they don't have a coach on site. And rarely. And let alone a training partner and there's good and bad to it, but I just want to touch on that. And the first one that comes to my mind is just accountability. Hey everybody, Iron Radio is back and in an altered way. You may have noticed that the original iTunes feed stopped updating some time ago. This is partly due to behind the scenes server issue, which is why we now broadcast through the Iron Radio Nutrition Radio network. Please do a search within iTunes for that. Second, Mike Nelson is handling the weekly syndication of the show, which should expand its reach through different social media channels.

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15:36In addition to that, of course there's going to be some content in there about regulation and special pops and other things. All you have to do is google Dr. Lonnie Lowry book, it's fail-pointed out and you should be able to get the link to dietary supplements and sports performance, again new book, physical books, so you don't have to dig around all over online and wonder if you know it's trusted information. And check it out. Thank you. You know, it's a lot. I know at here in an hour and 20 minutes, my training partner is going to be sitting at my gym waiting for me to be there. So it's real hard for me to be like, I'm just not going to. I'd have to call him say, bro, I'm not coming. And I fuck up his whole day. There's there's easy things as far as accountability and things like that that get thrown out the window when you're training partners a pair of headphones. You know those headphones don't care. And then we can go on to other things like I talked about before the show. I mean, I think it's a little less embodied building. Like you said, Lonnie is you never really had a training partner. You might get a spot on heavy set.

16:45And something like strength sports, it's, you know, somebody to watch every rep and maybe tell you what you're not feeling. Hell, you shot your hips. You did this. You did that. Or there's days where I've went in and or my training partners went in there like they blow up a lift. I'm like, man, that was heavy. It moved slow and you're like, no, it didn't bro. Yeah, that was fast type of thing. You got more in you. Your head can lie. And you know, let's say my training partner did 405 and he thought it was slow. So I'm like, bro, that that flew up and he was mentally thinking about maybe I should go lower it. I'm like, now you look good type of thing. And there's definite benefits to a training partner that I think are lost as far as accountability and just just form checks and things like that. It's sort of the smallest version of a team, you know, like you talk about team dynamics and stuff, even if it's just two people, it does emphasize how I think powerlifting is more like a sport than bodybuilding because instead of like you shot your hips too early or whatever bodybuilders just like look and huge bro.

17:54That's not really fair. I mean, I guess there's meaningful feedback, but it's not a skill related thing. You know, that's something that I know is when I taught strength conditioning at the university level. Some of the kids were snickering. They saw some pictures of my bodybuilding competitions and stuff. And I'm like, listen, I am not a strength coach. I am not a powerlifter. You know, I'm not an Olympic lifter. So we're going to stick to the physiology because you know, in bodybuilding, you don't need the same level of skill or at least that specificity. You don't need it. Yes. And so I have knowledge of hundreds of different exercises and I've probably tried them all. But you have a lot of leeway with pre-exhaust or negatives or you know, whatever it is that you want to be fooling around with that day, you just do. It's way less structured week to week and in skill based, I think in my opinion.

18:55Well, I think a big one is that instant feedback. Yes, we can film everything now. We all have cameras in our hands. But I mean, I've had it where like I'm busy and my phone goes ding, ding, ding. And it's I don't I don't I can't check it right then. But it's a client like, here you host my form. Bro, ah, they happen. You know, I can't just get back to you in 30 seconds. Like you need to ask me questions the day before or you know, I can come back to you that evening. But if you have somebody there that's that's mindful and knowledgeable, you get that instant feedback. And then another big one for me is the. I think the biggest benefit I have from training partners is there's an inherent competition that happens. Between training partners and it's a healthy one and not a bad one. Right, right. Like me and my training partner or the loads we use are drastically different but we're, but percentage just can fix that. And like if we were doing it's very often I have people end with am wraps and things like that. And if he got eight, I'm fucking going for nine.

20:02Yeah. Type of thing. And I may not get there's times I don't, but at least I have a number a different number of my head and we purposely swap week to week who goes first. You know, like, oh, it's your turn to go first because whoever goes second has an advantage. So we would we'd swap each week and. But then you also you still have that event kind of an advantage to go first because you're like fuck I better set something big because this motherfucker's going to go for one more. So always have that you push each other inherently in a very healthy way and then you high five each other at the end. And in bigger groups it works the same way you've got five or six people doing the same thing. They're all going to push hard like nobody wants to be beat in a healthy way you want to try and kick your friends, but. But there's tons of stuff like that that you kind of lose when you don't have that when you're solo. Yeah, when you're solo. So yeah, I learned that lesson in martial arts like there's a huge culture like that in team practices like someone of your same belt rank, you know, and especially as you get more advanced the younger ranks are looking at you they're watching the match and you know you go after it man, you know, but then yeah, if.

21:20Like there was a rule in Judah where you didn't necessarily help each other up because you're respecting their strength to you know to get back up, but there's a lot of that friendly go at it and then bow or shake hands at the end you know and it's I that takes a lot of. Grace or Magnanimity I don't know what the word is but like self confidence to be like you got me today man i'm going to get you next time yeah exactly and I think there's there's something. That you just can't get out of that I mean I'd say like if we had two lifters and you had lifter a who had the perfect program with exact percentages and the exercise selection but he trains alone. And then you have another lifter that has you know good programming but he's got a couple good training partners they never miss training they push each other you got somebody watching your technique at all times and you have that inherent competition between you. I gotta say probably lifter b's going to beat him out just because of the atmosphere and we said it before like the perfect training programs great but if you have acid and you know i'd rather see somebody done something good that just give me everything you got in a smart way and train hard.

22:38And I think training partners kind of push that especially I think training partners are probably best. On your worst days that's when they they support mean the most they support you the most like I know you're feeling bad let's fucking try it let's go let's do something you know because it's easy it's easy to walk away and are there days that you should just walk away yes. But if you have a good training part they'll tell you that yeah bro just stop no difference so. And you lose that but Mike I want to ask you you've used video to at least partly overcome this in the past having you like somebody they can record in the moment and then you at least capture that moment and you can respond is that right. Yeah I mean I have plans especially when they're new try to video for a moment now it's pretty easy I mean I remember oh man I tried online coaching and was it 2008 2009 and it was an absolute shit show I feel so bad for anyone I work with and just because I don't really started training people in person in 2005 and it was you know depending on my schedule and stuff.

23:49I just didn't have enough reps to see how bad people were going to screw stuff up you know and then getting video was so hard and was grainy in the files were huge yeah and then I remember when the flip was a flip camera came out yeah old enough to remember that thing that was amazing I was like holy crap I can video stuff now and then upload it and yeah so it's been super useful even clients now like I have some clients who I work with for you know many many months now and yeah this is small changes were pretty good. This is small changes were making it's like hey you know next time you know try this try that it's in what you're doing isn't necessarily wrong right because you know by that point they're pretty competent and what they're doing but it's just little things to tweak and then you know for more advanced clients especially on power lifting or the bigger list because you like Phil said that the biggest thing that shocked me is that your perception of speed can be so far off it's scary. It's a it's the weirdest thing because it's your perception and it's hard to believe that you were wrong because of what you felt on so I work with some you know coaches to help with that and then the biggest tip I got was filming it so I would film myself especially when I was doing more squats and deadlifts and then you would write down like okay was that fast medium or slow.

25:12So I would actually after I was done would stop I got this from my buddy Sean Mishka in terms of getting feedback like give yourself some time to actually think about it and then I would force myself to literally write it down okay I think that was really slow especially the last one third and then you watch the video and see if you're correct or not because I think people want to watch the video immediately and skip matching what they think the perception was and it's crazy how often I was just dead wrong like I was just dead. I got to watch the video twice and go holy crap that didn't feel that way at all but then over time you can reeducate your perception of it so no one you know relatively good on most of those things but that was just from doing lots and lots of reps of video so for clients I'll tell them to do that like if you want some you know in the moment feedback then here's what you would do and that's kind of the process to do it by all means you know still so post up the video but people are doing on their cell them it be a tip.

26:12They can use and you've also used wearables right to like velocity based stuff so they can get some objective numbers like even if it feels like you're explosive you're like oh I thought that was explosive or I thought it wasn't and that's not what the numbers are saying. Yeah so I was one of the very first people to use like the old push band I knew those guys in Toronto I got bought out I've used a whole bunch of other stuff the beyond power of the Ultra one which is like a cable box but it's a motor that's controlled in it so you can change concentric e-centric isometric but the cool part is it gives you velocity information as you're doing it. Right. So if I'm doing like a seated row yeah I can definitely feel or the you know that wasn't really a four second e-centric or the concentric wasn't as fast but I can see the numbers on there right away to confirm it. So I think the last two based training is helpful at least from an awareness standpoint and even just I know Phil's talked about this too like the ability to actually do slow reps I think is a more advanced skill like and even sometimes now like I'm deadless and some most stuff like that I still can't do it real well trap or deadless I can now but I'm just having that actual number so you can educate your

27:35self and then I just got a I use Jim aware from a body the other day so I'm going to start playing around with this stuff more again. Yeah I think the sweet spot nowadays is combined the two yes like we have the ability now like you talked about we literally have the ability to do like get on zoom or something like okay I'm going to watch you in real time now they need to set up an appointment for that right. Yeah, you can't just text me hey bro I'm going to the gym right now hop on FaceTime no yeah but like combining the two what I try to do is like a lot of my people there's a lot of the people I train at a distance there's two of them and so I'll try and coach up their partners on what to watch is like this is his problem please watch for it you know type of thing like I had two two people come down. Last weekend for some onsite stuff they're going to be training at a distance and one of them is a client of mine that she's 21 now but I've had her since she was eight and like and then another training partner it was teaching her what to watch on him type of thing and she's been with you long enough she knows this stuff but then then I have I have realized on site.

28:50So that that's a benefit where we kind of merge the two things going on that's clever can them coaching yeah it's like help me help me watch this this is his problem I had to take notes because he came down we went through all the lifts I watch all the front here's this issue here's this week points this is what we need to work on this is where he's going to fail. So you need to watch for that and cue him like when that stuff happens and then you guys can send me videos and see if it's going good. So I think that's probably the sweet spot especially if you don't have an experienced coach on site but there's two or three you know at least you have that you guys can be accountable to each other and then you have like the eye in the sky above. Right right over everybody so. I did want to say one thing about velocity because that does seem to be the thing like Mike was talking about like I felt that like it's really hard to. Yeah someone we saw that in the coffee and caffeine research right when they escalating doses of wired if you will like we literally measured their delta their change in alertness or sense of energy.

29:59And there was no correlation with bar speed at all like they were convinced that was so explosive you know the student researchers are looking at each other like not at all. Yeah. You feel you're being fooled by the caffeine I guess is what I'm saying so and that's another argument I think on a practical level. I mean take it outside of caffeine research in the lab that people need to that's why they need that I in the sky I think because they're like that was so great what a great workout we were we were blast in a bar up and no you were you know. Yeah. And so again because pre workouts under the picture a lot. Yes and so I think it's yeah that's where I got the session like the old tendo units of stuff. I love those when I was training alone because they keep that beep that instant beep like oh fuck I'm moving slow. And the training partner can do the same thing but I used to use that when I trained alone.

30:59I would use a tendo because it would it would be for me and I was like oh come on quit slacking you got to go harder and you know and that's what my training partners do for me come on bro that wouldn't it that wouldn't you know. So there is technology you can use to help replace this stuff but. I'm just crazy that that feedback how. You said it's just so weird that humans are so wired for efficiency. Yeah and that you're trying to go fast and you're not. Yes given the feedback whether it's a tendo gym aware partner whatever most of the time the next rep you can actually fix it yes even though you thought you had fixed it before. Yes. Well I thought I was giving 100% but I'm not right right you have to be a little bit competitive like yeah always I do a lot of stuff with a tendo where it's like three beeps are done. Yep and like if you're just lazy as you're going three beeps done. But but if you're wired in a different way like I would just push until I like got three beeps and failed.

32:07And that's the point of that stuff but yeah it's no that's that's funny because it's like you said it's a complete lack of accountability. If you're gaming the system three beeps I'm done that's like the kids who walked out in the first. Yeah that's what I was going to say is just like those kids they did just three beeps first three reps I'm out. You got to be a fighter inside yeah or you got those people that sandbag and like you can beat a tendo because it's going to be based off your first rep. Right just come in and it kind of goes slow yeah you're going to fucking win. Right. Half-ass the first rep gaming the system. So things like that the first rep needs to be everything you got. But why do the same thing for short intervals like if they're using a salt bike or a roller which I love using those two because they're brutal and it gives you feedback you can't run from. So you automatically get your output not heart rate but actually power output. And you know again assuming you hit you do your proper warm up and everything and your first you know one or two 20 or 30 second rounds are you know close to what we're doing.

33:11We want for that day. Like if people are new it's like okay you can miss by you know five or usually a cut off say user five to ten percent. So you can miss one round and I'll still let you make it up. Yeah and if you can't do it at that point then okay you're you're definitely done. But a lot of times you're like oh okay again the efficiency thing I thought I could just sneak by and it's like nope. And then you're back to okay now you you have to put a little bit more effort in and it's amazing sometimes it can go. Two or three more rounds just like having that feedback in front of them. Yep. So one last thing but actually it's kind of a combo thing. In an age of AI like I know that everybody hears of the opinion that's not accountability because you know I don't know I think if you're a real fighter I've been in some pretty arguments that I insisted I was going to win with the AI. I'm like what are you doing Lonnie? Like what do you do it? Oh I'm not.

34:11Especially because you know even the ones that aren't sick of anti-kiosers one the other day and it's like you're right again. I'm going to revise my conclusion and I feel like I'm like yeah I'm talking to a guy. But I don't think that's going to fit the bill. It does and I don't know how much you guys play video games. I do a little bit of you know gaming stuff and I think it stems from my old interest in D&D and stuff but the point is like in there's a game called Diablo. Okay Diablo 4 I play that sometimes and almost all of the people go solo like they try to entice people to do these like raids and these group kind of things and my perception is that the vast majority of people don't do those. They just put on the headphones kind of like to what you were saying very early on here Phil like they put on the head phone and they just they just do it themselves. Now I know that's a that's a game but it does kind of show that some people based on how introverted or extroverted they are they almost need.

35:16It's still good I mean if you're so introverted it's probably still good to have some eye in this guy or some somebody check in on you so you're not delusional. We know people get way delusional look at some of these people on bodybuilding stages this is very judgmental but damn like somebody should have told that guy you shouldn't do this. Like yeah you just even if you're very compassionate you shouldn't do this yeah um and that's another I think for a human being um looking at you in the gym I guess. Yeah I mean in theory we're almost and I'm sure I think I saw one EM device that's supposed to be doing this but we're almost at a point where you could in theory almost automate everything and again you can look at you know pro athletes where they're getting pretty close to that by using you know catapult and all these advanced factors and everything like that. Um and they actually have teams of people to synthesize that data to some of the data you get from that stuff is insane good point but even for the average gym gore like you know it's possible to put a device on the measure you know rep speed maybe you have a camera that measures your form maybe you've got like a audio feedback if it's you know fast or slow.

36:31So you would have all the rep counts you would kind of get to the point where you have everything but what are you outsourcing that to are you outsourcing that entirely to AI with no one yeah. Yeah overseeing it or looking at it or trying to analyze it. In theory maybe and I talked to Dave Tate about this too like if you have enough data that is your own that you can put into AI you might be able to get something. That's okay but a lot of new coaches whether it's writing or programs or anything like that you don't have anything of your own to put in there. Yeah so you're relying on AI and I really scraping whatever it comes up with to give you some output and AI is designed to give you an output but you can't even in the best case scenario judge how good or bad it would be in that case. Yeah scraping is the key verb there I love that because it's exactly what it's doing it's just scraping yeah it's not really highly selective or I mean I know you can kind of keep prompting it but.

37:41It's a good point Phil about death of the training partner right. We can uh we need to rewire all those flock cameras to you you you put in your you put in your goals and then you get a text move it fat ask you're walking too slow. I see you I see you in the crosswalk. Yeah pick it up. Pick it up. Toby yeah I think I the electronics era you know I sound really old here but because people don't listen to music on big speakers like you used to do in your gym and you know I feel I'm remembering out there like it's blasting you know metal yeah and everything's in your head it's it's your pot it's not even headphones just little you know tiny little ear buds and everybody's in their own head at the gym. Yeah and it does make you wonder if you're losing something there I don't I've never seen data on the death of the training partner like the frequency like our training partners that's going the way the dough doll. Maybe interesting to see that but but especially like again with like headphones and social media and all that stuff.

38:45People are outsourcing it. I mean you can argue we have the biggest training partners in the world the biggest training group because of social media yeah kind of most of them are like great job bro and it's like no that fucking sucked. Yeah tough love yeah yeah it's like that rap was horrible and you got all these people telling them great job is like oh you're going to kill yourself. Yeah that's the problem with it is like yeah what feedback are you getting so but the same thing could be said for a training partner you can have the worst training partner world to yeah so anyways yeah and feedback I think of didn't Larry wheels just do a fight and tore his bicep or something like that. Yeah something like that yeah and like does he not have anyone around him that would tell him hey bro this is probably a really bad idea. I mean he did and he just said I'm going to do it anyway but yeah just like yeah just having people around you that can give you actual feedback once again that's the benefit of coaching.

39:49Yeah you know I think everyone just tell you oh everything's great yeah well yeah how do you get better. Yeah yeah you need that personal connection to you know offer that kind of tough love right like you said feel like you start off complimenting to some of these young athletes yes and then you can you can take a big shit on a performance and they're like oh yes I'm pointed coach is he's going to tell me for real. Yep as opposed to adulation right social media and adulation is a hell of a drug I just don't think we can as a species we can resist it very well. Nope we can't and the other human I think it's hard to outsource that to AI because you trust what the other person is saying and you also feel this sort of sense of responsibility and accountability and stuff to them has another human or I'm not entirely convinced it would be the same knowing that it's an AI bot. Oh totally. Yes you can set up an AI bot to do compliance sure but yeah I just I would love to see a study that shows up but I just have a pretty good idea that

41:00people are not going to be that accountable to a bot. No well the bot never won you know first or second place in a huge event you know kind of thing it didn't earn anything so why would you respect it right well it's always it seems like from what I've done with the chat G.P.T.s and stuff it's always they're all programmed to like kneel to you and be nice because you can tell like you're wrong and I'm like oh you're right and then they're never like no motherfucker I'm right. You shut up. They're always nice and sometimes people need that like no shut up and just do it right you know there's some of the kids need that right there's points where you need tough love like come on fix it well you've always had that on your side feel I think in the in the gym because you were typically the strongest guy in the gym people are going to listen to you on that advice again it's respect that's earned and you get a lot of that by being a round the person you're going to smell the sweat in the gym you want to do stuff you watch their sins believe and you're like oh yeah okay I'm going to listen to this guy yeah so all right yeah it's good time until next week everybody yeah there it is

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